2 World Trade Center's Many Faces
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In my opinion, what made the original complex much better than the current one is how cohesive it was. You had the Twin Towers, and then you had buildings 3-6 in front of them, which were no taller than 20 stories. By having it so, no other building within the complex stole the spotlight from tower 1 and 2, or obstruct them from the East.
The original WTC complex contained buildings 1-6, with WTC 7 as an outlier. The current one has the buildings scattered all over the place and divided by streets, making them feel more like individual buildings.
For those that want a twin, it will not work. There is no staggering of the buildings, so the effect will not be the same, and it was this staggering that made the Twins so iconic, and look beautiful from every angle.
I read somewhere that they could build a twin for one WTC in a diagonal way (occupying the memorial space), removing the whole thing which would be completely ridiculous
I would like to see them build 2 world trade center just like 1 world trade center but without the spire. I think it will really bring the twins look back.
Wouldn’t work aesthetically. The twin towers were offset, the location of the WTC2 site would mean the two buildings would be more or less parallel to each other, which would only look good from a very limited number of viewpoints.
@@nickcockayne7880falta la gemela de la libertad 🗽 sería más original
I'm still of the unpopular opinion that the Twin Towers should've been rebuilt.
If you're going to compromise, just build 2 in the same design as WTC 1 to have two twin towers back in the skyline. Will look wonky as they're not staggered, but the site to me is already a mess at this point.
That what I been saying
@@savionmjallyeiither42luvr Agreed.
Agreed.
Maybe tilt them as well one with the spire original and the other without
i feel like we shouldve built the Twin Towers II with the memorial Pools in front of them that would've been a POWERFUL message.
I think they should come up with a similar design to One world trade centre and harmonise the skyline, this of course would be a tribute to the original twin towers. I think making them too different won't make the skyline look any better.
I'm not sure harmonizing the skyline would really be an appropriate way to effectively use the space while memorializing the original world trade center. Though I think we all loved the original towers, it can't really be said they harmonized the skyline. Maybe I misunderstood your comment but that is just my opinion.
I'm predicting that this is going to be about voting for a 2WTC design. If that's the case, I'm absolutely going for the diamonds, it's the most beautiful, and is actually one of my favorite designs in the world overall, would be such a shame if it wasn't ever used anywhere...
Edit a couple of minutes later:
I was right, I didn't know the 3rd design existed tho', that one doesn't look bad, but it's not really fitting there, +the diamonds are much better anyways.
if it goes up ot a vote I'd vote for Freedom Tower without the spire aka a Twin To One WTC If we cant have a Twin to One WTC then id vote for the diamonds i loved that design aswell.
That would be a perfect design for Tower 2. That newer one looks like some skinnier yet more complicated version of the Sears Tower.
@@ajplays7241qué hagan la gemela de la torre de la libertad
the stare design is ass
I haven’t seen the full video yet but I can tell what it’s going to be about from the title and I’m going to love it. I really hope 2 WTC get’s built with the original design. With the performing arts center opening, 2 and 5 wtc are the last pieces of the puzzle for the full complex.
With the collapse in the office market post-pandemic, it is unlikely that 2WTC will be built anytime soon, unfortunately. The new WTC still feels incomplete without it.
There isn't a 6WTC though.
@@SuperBuildsInMC the perfoming arts center counts as 6 WTC in my heart lol since it’s a building within the site. It is kind of odd though how there’s no official 6 wtc
@@JBS319 i think silverstein properties said they might build 2 wtc anyways without a tenant if they get enough funding, but yeah unlikely anything will be built soon. The soonest estimated time by them starting is within a few years, but they’ve been saying that since the site started so yeah
I’m glad atleast 5WTC is starting construction next year
Today I learned that the staircase design for 2 WTC isn't going to happen. It's a good day.
Can you bring this series back pls
Great video here are my options for 2 WTC
1: Beautiful
2: ugly af
3: Its ok
Btw they should make 1 wtc again but without a spire like they did with the original wtc
I think a second 1 wtc would look strange since they wouldn't be staggered like the originals
Understandable
@@ithinkyouknow i think it depends on A the view and B how close they would put it towards 1 WTC.
@@ithinkyouknowfalta la gemela de la torre de la libertad sería más original
They should just make 2 World Trade Center another Freedom Tower minus the antenna.
The Freedom Tower needs a twin. Anything else just makes it look like Hudson Yards South. The diamond shape is probably the best of the Hudson Yards looking buildings, but the stacked box design, and the one with vegetation on it looks like total ass! Js.
I think the first design you showed is the best, with the downward diamonds, it goes with 1WTC in a way plus if it is a darker material to go with 1WTC being lighter looking. Those 2 actually look like they go together
Diamond design would be the best one by far.
The proposed 2wtc building, the one that looks like 4 towers with angled roof, just gorgeous IMO. Really hope that one gets built or at least the design recycled somewhere else.
Edit: 5:44 OOHH OOH YEA THAT ONE!! (this is what I get for commenting in the first minute of a video lol
I'm still in denial that it's been over 21 years and this thing has still not been built. Silverstein has no excuse. How can the entirety of Hudson Yards go up in the time between 3WTC was topped out and the present day, plus multiple other office supertalls (Vanderbilt, 270 Park) if there's "no demand" for office space?!
Silverstein was the first to get a building rebuilt. He was criticized in fact as to how quickly he got #7 up and running. It is the Port Authority and the City alongside with the 20+ zoning and special interest groups that are responsible for the delay. Silverstein as a private developer would have had the entire site rebuilt a decade ago. It is the public institutions that are responsible for the delay and constant changing of design.
It's just gonna look like Hudson Yards 2.0 when it's finished. Nothing Iconic about lower Manhattan anymore. NY all looks the same now.
23 years later and they can't rebuild a very bland, mediocre designed complex. 😅
@@mkoury83Larry silvestein desaprovechó la oportunidad de hacer rascacielos espectaculares para la zona Cero
@@jbloun911Larry silvestein desaprovechó la oportunidad de hacer rascacielos espectaculares para la zona Cero
Quite obviously the first Foster design is the winner. The entire point of the new WTC was to represent strength and stability, to commemorate the victims and to give back to New York City an iconic skyline it could be proud of. The first design is the only one that satisfies all criteria. The second design is horrid and unsightly. It represents the opposite of strength and stability and it's as iconic as a store-brand box of oats. The second Foster design may be more modern but the obsession with terraces is just an obvious attempt at trend-chasing, a fad which will pass sooner than the thing can get built. I recall Silverstein proposing that the tower be built before a tennant is found and managed by the city until it finds one. If that's the case, i think New Yorkers should get to vote on which design to build and having been to New York, having talked to people, i know which one would win. Seriously i haven't met a single New Yorker who prefer either one of the most recent designs over the first Foster one.
the only one i would like as an offer would be a Twin to One WTC and i know that could also have a polar effect on the people of NY but this WTC already disappointed many and me myself loved The Twin Towers II design but unfortunately it wasnt picked.
@@ajplays7241falta la gemela del one wtc sería más original
@@ajplays7241por culpa de George w bush ya no están las torres gemelas Larry silvestein desaprovechó la oportunidad de hacer rascacielos espectaculares para la zona Cero
Yeah I rather prefer the original design of 2 World Trade Center with the diamonds because with that they already have the foundation built so I feel like that is Just perfect
My favorite design for 2 WTC was the one where there were leaked shots of a scale model sitting in a basement somewhere, which was most similar to the 3rd design but less boxy. The initial diamond design looks nice from a very specific angle but from anywhere else looks pretty awkward in the overall skyline. The 2nd one was a disaster of a design and the 3rd one just looks like a knockoff of NEMA Chicago which itself is a knockoff of Sears Tower.
Thanks for making this video the way you made it
First design is the one that deserves to be built. A bit taller maybe.
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2. Redesign NY city hall
3. Central Park
4. Central Park Zoo
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6. Continuing on Time Square
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It's quite ironic that WTC 5 will gonna be built before WTC 2.
Next year it starts
@@jbloun911WTC 5 construction begins this year.
@@ShellymanStudios spring/summer 2024
The diamond shaped building compliments the other wtc buildings that surround it the best.
I think the best option is the third and recent design of Norman Foster, without the green foliage. It would blend in better with the other buildings.
Question, what map overlay did you use for the city because I cannot find one anywhere and I really wanna do nyc because it’s such a cool place
Thanks a ton for making it, i really appreciate your new yorkers insights on all of this. I'm building my own NYC as well (not 1:1 because i wanted a larger map) and i love learning about all the cool and weird stuff happening there :D
And i used the 1st version of WTC2 on my own build, although i had no idea about its backstory and why it hasn't been built
Fun, what kind of scale are you working with? How much of the city?
@@ithinkyouknow Well it's a 1:1.4. Makes some places tougher because of the lack of space, but also allows me to build other interesting stuff such as the Metlife Stadium, Washington Heights, Greenville Yard. It also makes for a more complete package since i'm able to fit industries, big malls and suburby/sprawling towns.
I would say the 2nd. I actually grew up 3 houses away from Ingels, so i know him, and thats probably also why.
I mean, Denmark is a small country, so who cant say no to a danish design :)
Although I like the original on its own, the design looks too audacious for New York, seems more like something they’d construct in London. Which was Larry Silverstein argument. I’d honestly prefer an entirely new design, an innocuous one that’s congruent with its surroundings.
The oculus is in fact a part of the world trade center complex
Missing this series
tbh they should make another one wtc without the spire, but place it right next to the other so it doesn't look weird.
But I doubt that will happen. I don't mind the design of the freedom tower, but overall the whole rebuilding of the complex is a mess. They should've rebuilt the original towers but way taller and with a modern look.
I agree with you, the point is to have them be identical (twin) towers
I agree. It's like they are afraid of resilience??? The attacks weren't the result of building too big. They were the result of horrible airport security. It was way too lax in the 60's-90's. Cockpits are no longer accessible. In the meantime the rest of the world is building architectural marvels??? While NY is building 2 Hudson Yards.
@@robertramirez1082 yea literally. It’s just another modern glass skyscraper. I understand the reasoning behind not rebuilding as it was, (you wouldn’t want to try and pretend like nothing ever happened) but cmon, they could’ve made something so cool and original. And talk asf too haha
Tall*
@@Teo.T I totally get that. But you have to move on too. At least making it similar shows resilience. Instead we look too scared to move on. The Terrorist win. They wanted to change the way we live here. They succeeded. America is a whole different animal today. Those buildings did not come down for being too big. They came down, because there simply was no airport security from the birth of commercial flight until 2001. If I died tomorrow know matter how bad. I would want my family to move on. They can't bring me back no matter what. Life is too short. I would hope they enjoy as much of it as they can. To rebuild their lives. Whatever they decide to do, or not do in that spot. They need to quit letting fear dictate the outcome while the rest of the world is building architectural marvels. Don't worry about forgetting. There is no way to forget this.
I agree with you, as time progresses the new designs just keep getting worse and worse. I hope they stick with the original concept for rebuilding the 2WTC (if they're not gonna recreate one of the original twin towers which would be the best)
i definitely think the first design is cool, though i can see how from other viewpoints it would just be another building
agree with you on the second one, gross 🤢
third one looks cool, though i can see how winters would be an issue with the plants. maybe they have a selection of plants that grow during certain seasons so that all year round it’s green? i dunno 🤷🏻 i’m definitely no expert lol
cool video tho my guy :D
those would be called evergreens.
@@ajplays7241 i said certain plants for certain seasons, not one plant for all seasons
The diamond design skyscraper is similar to the one in Chicago.
I want the original Norman/Foster Design, or a Twin to One WTC (Independence Tower)!
They should also rebuild World Trade Center 6.
this is such a cool series, i wondered if there is anyway you could share your image overlay because iv tried and i cant seen to make one anywhere near as good as yours!
Just stumbled upon this, can you recreate the chelsea piers and pier 54?
I'd rather see another freedom tower but without the antenna there. The other buildings, they're not great looking at all.
They should make it look like New York Make it look like they updated the buildings
Im sad that you stopped uploading these :(
At this point they should rename the new 3 WTC to 2 WTC since it’s over 1,000 feet tall
Wtc 2, if they build it, should be between the heights of 1 and 3
What will be your go too mods for recreating the city like this?
Check the description for my full mods list!
love these vids
how are you going to solve the lag issue?
I still prefer Trump's old plan, which was to build a near exact replica of the last 2, but 1 story taller, and much stronger. Obviously lots of controversy would come from that, plus a possible tenant issue, but it would heal some wounds, and definitely be a big F-U to the terrorists lol. Never gonna happen though.
Maybe put the original wtc for comparison?
It was destroyed 20 years ago, where have you been!?
@@ithinkyouknow There is people who prefer the old days.
Prefer it or not, time marches forward
Same rood height as 1wtc
@@ithinkyouknowpor culpa de George w bush ya no están las torres gemelas Larry silvestein desaprovechó proyectos como arquitectos unidos el de norman Foster think me dio una rabia 🤬😡😡
11:05 - - *Nice shot*
PHENOMENAL WORK - just discovered your channel.
Btw - what modeling program do you use?
Do you mean the game or the assets?
@@ithinkyouknow Thanks - - both. (Is one a program to create a video game?)
The game is Cities Skylines. The assets are all from wonderful creators on the Steam workshop. Game is heavily modded to work this way
@@ithinkyouknow Is Cities Skylines a video game that the player helps create (or program?) Or is Manhattan already modeled? Thanks!
@@ithinkyouknow PS - How can someone contact you?
WTC 6 is the fogotten one😔
We already let the terrorist's win by not rebuilding the towers. Just build the second tower to look like a VaJay Jay and we can all live with the defeat and laugh together at the building with the rest of the world. There you go, now we're united.
Thought about deleting this but I won't. The terrorists have not won, and saying they did because of economic and architectural decisions is a terrible way to treat the tragedy and the memory of those who perished.
@@ithinkyouknow Rebuild, persevere and overcome.
@@ithinkyouknowdeberían hacer las torres gemelas otra vez o la gemela de la libertad 🗽 sería más original
@@ithinkyouknowsi han ganado por no hacer las torres gemelas otra vez
First wtc 2 design looks like someone sliced diagonally thru the building and decapateted it.
Make more episodes!
I will be! Not dead yet
Please build the original design. The third one is ok but just get rid of the terraces.
Pathetic at this point
Trump Tower 2.0
What the heck are you talking about my guy
@@ithinkyouknow Hes talking about the Twin Towers II architected by Kenneth Gardener that was endorsed by Donald Trump.
God when will the slapping of trees on renderings end? It is such an obvious and offensive pandering and never actually comes to fruition... just stupid. Design #2 looks like a housing complex straight out of 1991 USSR. This is a classic case of overthinking and the failure to appreciate that sometimes you need to go with your first instinct, as design #1 is far and away the most appropriate and elegant design and should not be written off simply because it predates the other two, one of which is a clumsy monolith and the other an unoriginal, predictable attempt to appeal to the crazy woke crowd.
7:02
Yuck.
Go back to the original design!