Charles Barkley: "I've been poor, I've been rich, I've been fat, I've been in the Hall of Fame, and one thing I can tell you is that the Clippers have alway sucked."
@@wonderfulperspectives2674 A real Clippers fan cited?!?! No way u dudes are real. How can you be a Clippers fan when your city also has a team with 17 championships?
Even crazier is that Harden demanded a trade from that team because Morey "promised" him a max contract, then had to settle for a 2 year 70 mil deal a year later while one of his fellow stars departed to join Morey's team.
He is living in his hometown with his family and earns a lot of money. Not a really bad decision. How many rings have player like Embiid, KD and Chris Paul after 2019?
@@frankpagel39 99% of players don't play in their hometown. I don't get why Kawhii is getting a pass for this. Most players care about which team will give them the best chance for winning.
@@One.Zero.One101 I think Kawhi won his first ring too early. After the second one in Toronto, it wasn't his first priority anymore. Also, I don't know what Andy is saying about Kawhi being totally healthy in Toronto. Guy was load managing and even limping in some playoff games. He was clearly still injured, but the part about Kawhi putting in extra (playing through injury) during contract years is totally true. The Spurs wanted him to play through injury during a non-contract year, and Kawhi was smart in not following in the footsteps of Isaiah Thomas.
That ad was fire though can’t lie about that 🔥 Also remember the Lakers vs clippers opening night that year in 2019? That game felt surreal. Ah good times
Hard to say this is the worst managed, cursed is the better word. The Charlotte Hornets and Wizards are worse. The Clips are the unluckiest for sure. That move for PG13 was very short-sighted without contemplating the long-term consequences. When they had PG and Kawhi, the roster they put around them was pretty decent, so its hard to say its the worst managed. Its just Kawhi and PG kept getting injured....and the two best shots they had at a title were hampered by something. In 2020, it was Doc River's shitty coaching decisions. In 2021, it was Kawhi's injury. The big thing I'm going to fault them for is keeping Doc Rivers in 2020. That was a terrible management decision considering his reputation even back in the day.
Kawhi and PG blew their chance in the bubble for sure, but after that it was FOUR STRAIGHT YEARS of injury luck. Players cant help getting hurt. Kawhi has a degenerative knee....Also anyone who says they saw Shai developing into an MVP candidate is lying their ass off.
@@JawaPenguin16 Here's the overlaying issue, it wouldn't have been any absolute issue if they just gotten Kawhi Leonard. But knowing the trade package they gave up for Paul George, it gave them a very limited shelf life to compete for a championship. Even back then, I wouldn't have traded for Paul George with that steep of a package.
@@manzac112 you still make that trade 10/10 times if you're get back a top 5 player in the league with it. Clippers aren't like the Cavs or Hornets where their some small market that needs to build through draft picks. Its Los Angeles, rich basketball players will always want to live/play here. The Lakers currently being a circus just makes the Clippers even more appealing.
I'll take this year Shai's playoff performance over any PandemicP playoff performances, lol. You're talking as if PG has ever been top-5 player, chill out @@JawaPenguin16
@JawaPenguin16 One point you made is very accurate. Any GM would have pulled the trigger on bringing in PG, and no one would have predicted Shai becoming an MVP candidate. It's nice to have all of those draft picks, but it's the GM's job to scout and utilize those draft picks effectively.
He didn't leave the Raptors to lose in the 1st and 2nd round. He left the Raptors to get paid big Microsoft money to live in Los Angeles. He's not a serious competitor anymore. He won his titles in two franchises already with 2 final mvps. He has nothing else to prove, he's just coasting on his laurels now.
@@ktvindicare bruh raptors were giving him the max contract, he could have just done 1 year 35 million and win another chip then go for that clippers money
@@camnewton5550 The Clippers would have dumped their money on someone else if he hadn't come right then. He knew he had the franchise by the balls, he still does. They're so desperate for relevance they'll do whatever he wants. No point staying in Toronto when his plan was to come to Los Angeles and the team was offering him free keys to the kingdom right then.
No, they're not. I wish people could distinguish between process and results. Sometimes you try something and it doesn't work. It doesn't mean it was wrong to try it. Poorly managed is adding Bradley Beal to Phoenix when he solves none of your issues and eliminates your ability to add depth. Poorly managed is when you hang onto Beal for five years too long and give him a no-trade clause like Washington did. Poorly managed is whatever the hell the Chicago Bulls are doing. Poorly managed is when the PROCESS doesn't make sense. Adding PG and Kawhi to a team with quality depth was not bad process. A year ago, everyone was slamming the Wolves for trading for Gobert. But now they make a WCF and suddenly it's a great move? It's so silly to judge everything on results when there's so much luck and health involved.
You're absolutely right. Trying and failing isn't necessarily indicative of bad management. However, the Clippers ignored evidence that could have allowed them to avoid their current mess. Look at the injury and his actions with the Spurs. If he and his people were right, he was a damaged asset that wouldn't ever be reliable and would go downhill quickly. If the Spurs were correct, he was putting himself first and ignoring his teammates, his contractual obligations, and the desires of the organization and fans. So, the Clippers knew they were getting either a part time player or someone who wasn't team first. Either way, go ahead and sign him, but don't structure your team's future to placate him. Kawhi is a historically great and historically flawed player; both of those facts were apparent before they signed him. The Clippers thought they were getting MJ, but they actually signed Sam Bowie.
100% agree. People love acting like they knew Shai was going to become a top 3 mvp. Obvs the trade in hindsight looks horrible but go back in time and most GMs are trading a rookie and picks for Prime PG13 and kawhi
Playoff P, The System Harden, and Westbrick is what the Clippers chose to give Kawhi. Not sure if it would have been more helpful to put Kawhi’s feet in a bucket of cement…🤣🤣🤣
If any trade requires giving up pretty much a whole decade's worth of draft picks, especially 1st rounders, that trade isn't worth it. You might just be better off letting your player walk and get nothing back. Draft picks mean possibilities.
The Clippers are a cursed franchise. They’ve had all this talent (CP3, Blake Griffin, Deandre Jordan, JJ Reddick, Jamal Crawford, Kawhi, Paul George, James Harden.) Yet can’t do a damn thing with them. Regular season or playoffs. They’re always injured and they always come up short.
@@jeze2432 One choke in the playoffs and then 4 years of injury. What happened to the lakers this year and last year vs the Nuggets? or the year before that when you missed the playoffs entirely. Have a nice day.
I mean they went to the conference finals for the first time and they had that core together for 5 yrs. I think the only problem is last year trading all those picks for Harden.
@@bobbysmoove4796 Oh you mean the season the Lakers won another banner and the Clippers choked in the second round? Yea that year pretty much solidified what everyone already knew about the two franchises.
Being drafted or traded to the LA Clippers is like an early death sentence for most star players. A lot of bad luck and questionable team management in this franchise.
This is more cursed or jynxed. He just won a championship with Toronto with one of the best playoffs in recent memory. So he was fully fit and played like an all time MVP. Would anyone really call this a bad trade at the time? Be honest. PG13 also was generally fit except for here and there. Westbrook signed a minimum, was a leader, and excellent facilitator and rebounder. His scoring obviously has become inconsistent. I thought they can win. If Kawhi can play 68 games and then get injured its more bad luck as opposed to previous years.
Do people not realize Maxey was the best player in the playoffs last year for the 76ers over Embiid. I think PG would rather play with Maxey than Harden if Kawhi is always injured
You good, man? You always know somebody's going through it when they talk about "dick riding/meat riding/riding his jock strap". You got so hung up on a single measly half-ass compliment about James Harden being not horrible at basketball that you somehow walked away from this video thinking he predicted that Harden is going to lead this team to glory or some shit, like wtf lol...
How is this possible? The Clippers have had a winning record for 13 straight seasons. No other team in the league can say that. Yes, they never won anything and they have underperformed. but to say they are the worst manage team is so crazy. You look at teams like the Hornets and Pistons and still day that. I get it, everyone hates the Clippers. Its an easy team to hate, but let's not pretend like they haven't been a great franchise for over a decade now.
Worst isn't a reflection of purely results, but considering the talent they've had, the hype they've garnered, and their future prospects, yes, they definitely are in the running for "worst managed franchise". If for nothing else, being so desperate that they caved to Kawhi's demands to get PG demonstrated their weakness. Then signing the two most overrated players in NBA history (Harden and Westbrick) were bad. Now, they straight up picked Harden and Kawhi over PG. They should have signed Kawhi to a contract that had heavy incentives, given PG a better contract option and let Harden go. Now, they've got two guys that are famous for coming up short when they're needed the most.
@@brushylake4606 feel pretty confident that every team would have made the deal to get both Kawhi and PG. Of course they have always underdelivered but not because of management. It has been injuries to Blake, CP, Kawhi, and PG. They signed Westbrook for the minimum, bad take to say that's a bad signing. I do think the Harden trade felt a bit forced. But again, what does management do? Stay mediocre for the past 13 years? NBA is a players league, teams always meet their demands. This isn't the NFL. So you think the Clippers would have been better off being a bad/mediocre team over the past decade than make the trades they made? Most teams aren't built through the draft anymore..other than maybe the Celtics with JB and Tatum, most teams are made through trades and free agent signing. So I don't think the future has been sacrificed.
When Kawhi retires we will probably not hear from him again but if that’s not the case I don’t wanna hear how he wishes he stayed in Toronto cause they treated him like royalty… yes he shoulda stayed in Toronto but what’s more important… winning championships or playing at home ?
Absolutely. Spurs doctors were right about his degenerative knee problem. He either plays through it or he needs to retire. It will never get better unfortunately. He didn’t like hearing that though, can’t blame him but it’s truth 🤷
@@GhostofMcNabb What I can blame him for is lying to the organization and fans, leaving his teammates high and dry, and not living up to his contractual obligations. I wish I had a job where I didn't have to show up for work, didn't have to show a doctors note, and still got paid.
Quoting words from The Urinating Tree: “Do you know how f-ked you guys are if you don't win a championship within the next 2-3 years?” This was after the Clippers broke the bank to acquire Paul George. Now, the Clippers are truly screwed.
@@ActivBowser9177 That 2-minute rant highlighted the second 3-1 series lead blown by the Clippers. It’s still one of the most hilarious vids uploaded by Tree.
It would have been better for everyone, including in retrospect the Clippers, if Kawhi stayed in Toronto. The Clippers have no assets to build for the future and now Kawhi is older and as usual, always injured.
At this point it's the Clippers. Wolves got a Young Superstar in Antman who they can always build around. Clipps got nobody lol. Should've traded PG to the GSW. Get them picks back & role players around Kawhi & Harden. But instead they let him walk after trading all that real estate to get him. Clippers so poorly managed.
That’s a good debate. Kawhi and PG made the western conference Finals so you could go with them. Both teams had major health issues. Doc isn’t a better coach than Ty in my opinion. Both honestly had chances to be champions, but injuries and choking at the worst time happened. The Lob city clippers were amazing and always fun to watch and Chris Paul was my favorite player at time (Hornets/Pelicans fan), so I have really good memories of that time. They also beat the defending champs Spurs in round one. Kawhi and PG clippers gave a lot of the future to a west rival so that’s a huge knock for them. But at the same time together healthy they were great in the regular season and pretty good in the playoffs when healthy. Honestly, that’s a really good debate. I can’t blame anyone on which is better. Clippers fan would know a lot more.
Milwaukee, Indiana, Atlanta, Minnesota, Cleveland, Houston, the LA Lakers, and Knicks are some of the teams that traded away 3 1st round picks for short term success in recent years, and could potentially find themselves in a similar situation, so I really don't agree with how the PG13 trade was a bad idea at the time, when thewe other teams did the same thing. The PG13-Kawhi era was a failure but only because Kawhi was never healthy...
They traded away SGA and the picks that became Tre Mann, Jalen Williams and Jaime Jacquez for Paul George, who left the Clippers with nothing by departing as a free agent. That’s pretty bad.
NY and Houston are big to great sized markets so it won’t hurt in the long run, Milwaukee and Indiana do not care bc they never get high lottery picks so when they don’t even draft that good majority of the time, they legit do not care as they are teams that prefer trading players anyway bc of their smaller markets. Minnesota is a team that has proven itself (more than the Clippers have tbh) to be a major team to stay in the west regardless of what happens. The only ones that are really going to truly hurt from this RIGHT when one single domino falls is Atlanta and Cleveland, especially if Cleveland messes up this Garland trade.
The Lakers and Bucks at least have a championship to show for it. Kawhi was healthy that first year but they choked after being up 3-1 so no “bubble” excuse
@@nocturne311SGA wouldnt develop the same, and the Clippers scouts suck so they probably wouldnt have picked those players anyway. They were in a win now mode at the time and it made sense to get BOTH PG+Kawhi (a fact alot of people forget when they see this trade)
I don't understand the love for Kwahi, this guy never plays basketball, screwed over San Antonio, basically screwed over Toronto, and continuing to screw over the clippers and Steve ballmer
Agree he screwed over the Spurs. Raptors knew he was a one-year rental and he brought them their first championship, so he certainly didn't screw them over. And Balmer knew the injury risk from the beginning.
KPJ will give the Clippers a bigger boost than most people realize. When the tanking was over in Houston at the end of the 22-23 season there were about 6 games left, KPJ averaged over 30ppg.
Man.........................bless your heart. Sure, and then he'll end up in jail for beating up an Uber driver or something. Can he lead them back to a rather quick 1st round exit? MAYBE I'll grant you that.
as a Heat fan, I'm not even bothered that PG went to the Sixers. Historically, Paul george chokes when it really matters. When teams trade you multiple times or you want to go somewhere else after signing a contract, I have to question your commitment. (cough) Harden (cough)
Kawhi is a scammer like LeBron. Except LeBron can actually win. Kawhi should've stayed in SA and win multiple championships. If not, then he should've stayed in Toronto which was a solid squad at the time.
Mismanaged?? How many various all stars and championship coaches have they brought in the past 5 years? At a certain point the players need to be held accountable.
Clippers should've taken the GSW deal. They could've at least gotten picks & some role players back Especially trading away all that real estate for PG. Yikes.
As a sixers fan im pretty happy seeing khawi fail now. That being said the clippers did this to themselves. They should have traded paul george last seaon on a rental for some goodies. If they thought he was gonna resign as the best player at 35 they were crazy 😅
The Clippers were garbage and an afterthought before Ballmer bought the team and made the Kawhi/PG moves. This management team made them relevant for the first time ever, and opening a brand new Clippers arena in LA this season.
People dont understand how good Kawhi is. Can you imagine saying with Kawhi will not be able to contend cos its just him on the team But then say having PG and Kawhi are a superteam. Also, they keep saying Kawhi faked an injury Then they say, he is playing for the money. If the Olympics was in may june, he will be injured. If postseason was olympic month, Kawhi would be available
Little known fact to many that aren’t Spurs fans. The team’s doctors were actually correct in diagnosing his degenerative knee injury. And they said he is eligible to play because there is literally nothing you can do about it. He not only went to go to another doctor who told him the SAME thing but a third as well. All the while keeping quiet and letting uncle Dennis and his entourage rile up the media and start this unnecessary hate against the organization. To this day, I still don’t think Kawhi is the type to sit out. All of his scouting reports coming into the draft and of his former teammates say he is a gym rat. Loves the game. Clippers have to be considering some sort of trade at this point to recoup their losses.
I'm a Lakers fan and hate the Spurs and would've been eager to clown your organization for how that went down but looking into it... The way Kawhi conducted himself during that says a lot about him imo. He stays quiet and doesn't broadcast anything about himself but he's low-key a snake. I don't buy for a second Uncle Dennis did all that without his knowledge.
Okay, tbh he did only play 60 games for TOR that year and he was limping like a mf those whole playoffs. Buddy hasn’t been 100% for almost seven years.
It worked out well for us. We got a chip and then avoided all the injury issues he had after that year. The Raptors dodged a bullet, and got a ring out of it - no complaints
I remember how the media was blowing up the moment news came out that Kawhi and PG were going to the clippers, talking about how “they already won the championship before the season even started”. Those days are long gone
They need to move back to San Diego. Moving to San Diego will allow them to establish their identity and get from under the Lakers shadow. No matter how many chips they win they will always be the Lakers little brother.
Yeah, this is what James Harden needed. A guy who literally can’t even ball out in the playoffs anymore and also he’s a choker year after year. Yeah good job Andy.
As a Raptors fan and 6ix native, I have no doubt that if Kawhi stayed, then the Raptors would've repeated, or maybe even got a 3-peat. But I guess some players are just stupid 🙃
I’m a Raptors fan as well, but I disagree. I think we dodged a bullet, based on what happened after he went to the Clippers. We also got the best possible outcome: won a championship with him and avoided all the injury issues he had after that year.
Clippers have been cursed for leaving Buffalo the way they did. Break the curse by having a proper farewell game in Buffalo and allow Buffalo to raise the number 11 of Bob McAdoo to the rafters in the Buffalo arena
Your videos only show that you're a Monday morning quarterback. It's easy to criticize the clippers for trading SGA (unproven at the time) and some picks for a top 5 MVP that was a condition to also get the reigning Finals MVP fresh off a surprisingly healthy season. Now it's easy to point out the mistakes,but put yourself in the skin of the Clippers and prove to me that you would do different.
Charles Barkley: "I've been poor, I've been rich, I've been fat, I've been in the Hall of Fame, and one thing I can tell you is that the Clippers have alway sucked."
@@wonderfulperspectives2674Salty Flippers fan spotted 🤣
@@wonderfulperspectives2674Spotted the salty Clippers fan (btw y’all use the word “corny” far too liberally)
You (and Charles) have a strange definition of sucking.
@@wonderfulperspectives2674 A real Clippers fan cited?!?! No way u dudes are real. How can you be a Clippers fan when your city also has a team with 17 championships?
Thank God he didn't said that the women in San Antonio sucks. 😁
Does the Sixers think PG isn't going to bring his injury prone shenanigans to Philly or something? 😂😂😂
Nah does pg think moving from Kawhi's injuries to Joel's injuries is gonna be better? Lol
He's still an upgrade over Tobias Harris. Tobias is good but inconsistent and certainly not worth what 76ers were paying him.
PG got Injury Prone cause he played on a Cursed Team.
@@elizabethgeorge168you think PG is consistent come playoff time?
@@markneil6892 I mean it's not like the Sixers aren't themselves cursed with a 23 year streak of not making it past the 2nd round of the play-offs.
The thing I find crazy is he left for the team James harden came from 😭🤦🏿♂️
Mann I ain’t even realize that until I saw your comment😭
Even crazier is that Harden demanded a trade from that team because Morey "promised" him a max contract, then had to settle for a 2 year 70 mil deal a year later while one of his fellow stars departed to join Morey's team.
@@bigbrytunney8753 Karma baby!
@@bigbrytunney8753funny thing is if he got that money, and then they couldn’t afford decent help around him, he’d still be crying just as loud
kawhi going to a cursed franchise after winning a ring gotta be one of the worst decisions i’ve seen in sports history.
Looking at it another way, Kawhi and his cursed knees are the perfect talent to represent what the Clippers are all about as a franchise.
He is living in his hometown with his family and earns a lot of money. Not a really bad decision.
How many rings have player like Embiid, KD and Chris Paul after 2019?
Should have tried for another ring in Toronto.
@@frankpagel39 99% of players don't play in their hometown. I don't get why Kawhii is getting a pass for this. Most players care about which team will give them the best chance for winning.
@@One.Zero.One101 I think Kawhi won his first ring too early. After the second one in Toronto, it wasn't his first priority anymore.
Also, I don't know what Andy is saying about Kawhi being totally healthy in Toronto. Guy was load managing and even limping in some playoff games. He was clearly still injured, but the part about Kawhi putting in extra (playing through injury) during contract years is totally true. The Spurs wanted him to play through injury during a non-contract year, and Kawhi was smart in not following in the footsteps of Isaiah Thomas.
Never forget that "This is his city” New Balance ad for Kawhi when he first got to LA😂😂
to be fair, it got new balance alot of publicity lol
@@pagman2356 True but in hindsight it just looks foolish lmao
That ad was fire though can’t lie about that 🔥 Also remember the Lakers vs clippers opening night that year in 2019? That game felt surreal. Ah good times
@@thealisterr Facts. That game felt like the beginning of a new era and rivalry🔥still sick they still haven’t matched up in the playoffs smh🤦🏾♂️
@@bobbysmoove4796 for real lol we was robbed😂😂
kawahi getting the bag from the clips to occasionally hoop is a major W lol
The Spurs got so much slander after the TOR trade and after he won a ring 😂 look at the situation now 5 years later
The Spurs have been vindicated, and now have Wemby. Thanks Kawhi!
Honestly, Kawhi should have just stayed in Toronto. He would have probably had better luck with them instead.
@@crazyluigi6664 Him with that bubble team probably makes another run but I think that it all of those guys peaked in Kawhis year there...
the true evil is uncle dennis
Same poppvich of Spurs sent dennis rodman to chicago bulls for 3 rings. Poppvich was stupid on these two decisions
Hard to say this is the worst managed, cursed is the better word. The Charlotte Hornets and Wizards are worse. The Clips are the unluckiest for sure. That move for PG13 was very short-sighted without contemplating the long-term consequences. When they had PG and Kawhi, the roster they put around them was pretty decent, so its hard to say its the worst managed. Its just Kawhi and PG kept getting injured....and the two best shots they had at a title were hampered by something. In 2020, it was Doc River's shitty coaching decisions. In 2021, it was Kawhi's injury.
The big thing I'm going to fault them for is keeping Doc Rivers in 2020. That was a terrible management decision considering his reputation even back in the day.
Charlotte is by far the worse
After Kawhi screwing Lakers like that in2019, I am glad Kawhi could not win the other title
I agree. Doc River should be blamed for their failure in 2020. Still, Doc landed a few good jobs after 2020.
I would also mention how they traded Blake Griffin not even a year after telling him he was the future.
nooo why you hating on my glorious hornets 😭whyyyy!
Now raptor fans & nba fans are laughing 🤣
raptor fans laughing all the way to the draft lottery for the past 4 years and paying quickly 160 million lmfao
@@dukiino739 clippers haven't won a championship after that PG trade so who's really losing like wtf are u talking about
@@dukiino739Raptors won more playoff series with Kawhi than you and we’ve been in the draft and we have a trophy
@@IXCANADATV probs the dork that lives in canada lmfao
@@dukiino739nah we laughing cuz we still can’t believe we won a chip
Kawhi had it all in Toronto but got greedy
Got greedy cause he wanted to go home?
He wanted it be close to home. How’s is that bein greedy?
Naw he had a choice between living in Toronto or LA and like any sane person he took LA over Toronto
as a Toronto native, the dude just wanted to be home and I don’t blame him.
You say this as if playing somewhere he didn't want to live would have magically made his knee stop degenerating.
Kawhi and PG blew their chance in the bubble for sure, but after that it was FOUR STRAIGHT YEARS of injury luck. Players cant help getting hurt. Kawhi has a degenerative knee....Also anyone who says they saw Shai developing into an MVP candidate is lying their ass off.
@@JawaPenguin16 Here's the overlaying issue, it wouldn't have been any absolute issue if they just gotten Kawhi Leonard. But knowing the trade package they gave up for Paul George, it gave them a very limited shelf life to compete for a championship. Even back then, I wouldn't have traded for Paul George with that steep of a package.
@@manzac112 you still make that trade 10/10 times if you're get back a top 5 player in the league with it. Clippers aren't like the Cavs or Hornets where their some small market that needs to build through draft picks. Its Los Angeles, rich basketball players will always want to live/play here. The Lakers currently being a circus just makes the Clippers even more appealing.
I'll take this year Shai's playoff performance over any PandemicP playoff performances, lol. You're talking as if PG has ever been top-5 player, chill out @@JawaPenguin16
@JawaPenguin16 One point you made is very accurate. Any GM would have pulled the trigger on bringing in PG, and no one would have predicted Shai becoming an MVP candidate.
It's nice to have all of those draft picks, but it's the GM's job to scout and utilize those draft picks effectively.
@@JawaPenguin16 PG has never been a top 5 player in the league; and players historically have not exactly been clamoring to sign with the Clippers.
Getting paid millions to play basketball isn’t enough for Kawhi, he wants to get paid millions to do nothing
That why the Lakers dident sign he was asking for too much not about the money but other things
Huh? He chose the Clippers over the Lakers.
You’re making shit up.
Can’t believe he left a repeat with the raptors for losing in the 1st and 2nd round 😂😂
He didn't leave the Raptors to lose in the 1st and 2nd round. He left the Raptors to get paid big Microsoft money to live in Los Angeles. He's not a serious competitor anymore. He won his titles in two franchises already with 2 final mvps. He has nothing else to prove, he's just coasting on his laurels now.
@@ktvindicare bruh raptors were giving him the max contract, he could have just done 1 year 35 million and win another chip then go for that clippers money
@@camnewton5550 The Clippers would have dumped their money on someone else if he hadn't come right then. He knew he had the franchise by the balls, he still does. They're so desperate for relevance they'll do whatever he wants. No point staying in Toronto when his plan was to come to Los Angeles and the team was offering him free keys to the kingdom right then.
They weren’t beating lakers 2020
@@ktvindicare Kawhii treats basketball as a part-time job now.
No, they're not. I wish people could distinguish between process and results. Sometimes you try something and it doesn't work. It doesn't mean it was wrong to try it.
Poorly managed is adding Bradley Beal to Phoenix when he solves none of your issues and eliminates your ability to add depth. Poorly managed is when you hang onto Beal for five years too long and give him a no-trade clause like Washington did. Poorly managed is whatever the hell the Chicago Bulls are doing. Poorly managed is when the PROCESS doesn't make sense. Adding PG and Kawhi to a team with quality depth was not bad process.
A year ago, everyone was slamming the Wolves for trading for Gobert. But now they make a WCF and suddenly it's a great move? It's so silly to judge everything on results when there's so much luck and health involved.
You're absolutely right. Trying and failing isn't necessarily indicative of bad management. However, the Clippers ignored evidence that could have allowed them to avoid their current mess.
Look at the injury and his actions with the Spurs. If he and his people were right, he was a damaged asset that wouldn't ever be reliable and would go downhill quickly. If the Spurs were correct, he was putting himself first and ignoring his teammates, his contractual obligations, and the desires of the organization and fans. So, the Clippers knew they were getting either a part time player or someone who wasn't team first.
Either way, go ahead and sign him, but don't structure your team's future to placate him. Kawhi is a historically great and historically flawed player; both of those facts were apparent before they signed him. The Clippers thought they were getting MJ, but they actually signed Sam Bowie.
100% agree.
People love acting like they knew Shai was going to become a top 3 mvp.
Obvs the trade in hindsight looks horrible but go back in time and most GMs are trading a rookie and picks for Prime PG13 and kawhi
@@brushylake4606 Great breakdown.
Toronto got more from 1yr of Kawhi than the Clips got after 5+ years
Also anything positive about his career in the NBA will be his time with the Raptors. How ironic the same team he could not wait to get away from
_Will the Clippers ever build a great homegrown team that can at least reach a Finals one day?_
No
Best homegrown type team they made was lob city.
Playoff P, The System Harden, and Westbrick is what the Clippers chose to give Kawhi. Not sure if it would have been more helpful to put Kawhi’s feet in a bucket of cement…🤣🤣🤣
I told y'all this Kawhi-PG duo will not work out the moment they blew a 3-1 lead against Denver
Acting like this was such a bold take
@@joefrankenstein5553 right, everyone knew this 😭
Good thing that you told us😂😂😂😂what would we do without yo smart and predictful ass😂😂
they blew it year one but 4 straight years of injuries need to be acknowledged as TERRIBLE luck.
Clippers are a cursed franchise nobody is surprised
If any trade requires giving up pretty much a whole decade's worth of draft picks, especially 1st rounders, that trade isn't worth it. You might just be better off letting your player walk and get nothing back. Draft picks mean possibilities.
I agree, unless youre getting a superstar mid prime i.e. 27-29 y/o id never
I agree, the raptors got Kawhi with 1 first round pick and none of their young guys. Brilliant
The Clippers are a cursed franchise. They’ve had all this talent (CP3, Blake Griffin, Deandre Jordan, JJ Reddick, Jamal Crawford, Kawhi, Paul George, James Harden.) Yet can’t do a damn thing with them. Regular season or playoffs. They’re always injured and they always come up short.
putting JJ on that list of names is criminal
Tf jj doing on there
I remember those clips fans saying they will win a championship first before the lakers, i bet they are crying right now
Not crying actually at all. The circus show your team is will attract LA bound free agents to us. Good luck with coach JJ
@@JawaPenguin16 How many superteam did your 0 achievement franchise make again and choke hard in the playoffs?
@@jeze2432 One choke in the playoffs and then 4 years of injury. What happened to the lakers this year and last year vs the Nuggets? or the year before that when you missed the playoffs entirely. Have a nice day.
@@JawaPenguin16it doesn't matter 😂
Flippers fans are goofy 🤪
I mean they went to the conference finals for the first time and they had that core together for 5 yrs. I think the only problem is last year trading all those picks for Harden.
Now @UrinatingTree needs to do a Legacy of Failure on this franchise.
Mike korzemba did one kind of awhile back. He definitely needs to update it
Not until Kawhi bails out
They had Shai..
PG, KD, Westbrook, Harden, CP3 just need to accept who they are and just stay on the same team together
Going to form the retirement team on the lakers haha
And people had the audacity to compare them to the Lakers 😅😅😅 and also compare Kawhi to Lebron 😅😅😅😅
It was a legit conversation in 2019-20 but the Clips blowing that 3-1 lead changed everything
@@bobbysmoove4796 Oh you mean the season the Lakers won another banner and the Clippers choked in the second round? Yea that year pretty much solidified what everyone already knew about the two franchises.
@@bobbysmoove4796Flippers 🗑
The buffalo bills and clippers both just need to move their franchises to different cities because they just have the worst luck
When you think about it, the Clippers also started their franchise in Buffalo. Maybe it's Buffalo that's bad luck 😂
Add the Cleveland Browns and Indians to that list 😂
The clippers were originally the buffalo braves just in case you don't know the fact.
Being drafted or traded to the LA Clippers is like an early death sentence for most star players. A lot of bad luck and questionable team management in this franchise.
What questionable management by the Clips has resulted in a death sentence to a players career?
I wonder how many games Embiid and PG are gonna play together in the post-season with the injury history.
I had high hopes for the Clippers after they made the WCF in 2021.
See, this is why sometimes it's easy being a Kings fan. The bar is so low, that even a play-in spot is considered success 😅
This is more cursed or jynxed. He just won a championship with Toronto with one of the best playoffs in recent memory. So he was fully fit and played like an all time MVP.
Would anyone really call this a bad trade at the time? Be honest. PG13 also was generally fit except for here and there.
Westbrook signed a minimum, was a leader, and excellent facilitator and rebounder. His scoring obviously has become inconsistent.
I thought they can win. If Kawhi can play 68 games and then get injured its more bad luck as opposed to previous years.
Do people not realize Maxey was the best player in the playoffs last year for the 76ers over Embiid. I think PG would rather play with Maxey than Harden if Kawhi is always injured
Ok? And?
Bro quit riding Hardens jock strap
He's a certified choker who won't do shit for this team
You good, man? You always know somebody's going through it when they talk about "dick riding/meat riding/riding his jock strap". You got so hung up on a single measly half-ass compliment about James Harden being not horrible at basketball that you somehow walked away from this video thinking he predicted that Harden is going to lead this team to glory or some shit, like wtf lol...
The clippers will always be cursed😭
How is this possible? The Clippers have had a winning record for 13 straight seasons. No other team in the league can say that. Yes, they never won anything and they have underperformed. but to say they are the worst manage team is so crazy. You look at teams like the Hornets and Pistons and still day that. I get it, everyone hates the Clippers. Its an easy team to hate, but let's not pretend like they haven't been a great franchise for over a decade now.
Agreed “worst” is crazy to say, unluckiest is probably the better word.
Worst isn't a reflection of purely results, but considering the talent they've had, the hype they've garnered, and their future prospects, yes, they definitely are in the running for "worst managed franchise". If for nothing else, being so desperate that they caved to Kawhi's demands to get PG demonstrated their weakness. Then signing the two most overrated players in NBA history (Harden and Westbrick) were bad. Now, they straight up picked Harden and Kawhi over PG.
They should have signed Kawhi to a contract that had heavy incentives, given PG a better contract option and let Harden go. Now, they've got two guys that are famous for coming up short when they're needed the most.
@@brushylake4606 feel pretty confident that every team would have made the deal to get both Kawhi and PG. Of course they have always underdelivered but not because of management. It has been injuries to Blake, CP, Kawhi, and PG. They signed Westbrook for the minimum, bad take to say that's a bad signing. I do think the Harden trade felt a bit forced. But again, what does management do? Stay mediocre for the past 13 years? NBA is a players league, teams always meet their demands. This isn't the NFL. So you think the Clippers would have been better off being a bad/mediocre team over the past decade than make the trades they made? Most teams aren't built through the draft anymore..other than maybe the Celtics with JB and Tatum, most teams are made through trades and free agent signing. So I don't think the future has been sacrificed.
When Kawhi retires we will probably not hear from him again but if that’s not the case I don’t wanna hear how he wishes he stayed in Toronto cause they treated him like royalty… yes he shoulda stayed in Toronto but what’s more important… winning championships or playing at home ?
The Lakers Will Always Be Better Than The Clippers That Will Never Change
The Lakers had a worse record last year and won one less playoff game.
So, are we Spurs fans allowed to say "We told you so"?
Absolutely. Spurs doctors were right about his degenerative knee problem. He either plays through it or he needs to retire. It will never get better unfortunately. He didn’t like hearing that though, can’t blame him but it’s truth 🤷
@@GhostofMcNabb What I can blame him for is lying to the organization and fans, leaving his teammates high and dry, and not living up to his contractual obligations.
I wish I had a job where I didn't have to show up for work, didn't have to show a doctors note, and still got paid.
Quoting words from The Urinating Tree:
“Do you know how f-ked you guys are if you don't win a championship within the next 2-3 years?”
This was after the Clippers broke the bank to acquire Paul George. Now, the Clippers are truly screwed.
"You're going to make the Nets trading for Garnett and Pierce look like a mere Andrew Bynum to the Sixers!"
@@ActivBowser9177 That 2-minute rant highlighted the second 3-1 series lead blown by the Clippers. It’s still one of the most hilarious vids uploaded by Tree.
@@CJEstradaMartinez Facts.
@@ActivBowser9177"How can a team be so pathetic? No matter what they do, they s--t the bed."
Paul George thinks anyone cares that he left. I didn’t even know he played in the nba anymore
Cba rule is a thing and if he stay clippers will got the second apron that will limit their move
It would have been better for everyone, including in retrospect the Clippers, if Kawhi stayed in Toronto. The Clippers have no assets to build for the future and now Kawhi is older and as usual, always injured.
Which Franchise is more cursed. The Wolves or the Clippers 😅
the wolves are getting back onto their feet, and becoming a good team.
At this point it's the Clippers. Wolves got a Young Superstar in Antman who they can always build around. Clipps got nobody lol. Should've traded PG to the GSW. Get them picks back & role players around Kawhi & Harden. But instead they let him walk after trading all that real estate to get him. Clippers so poorly managed.
I already knew it was going to be the clippers 😔
Ballmer had no choice but to extend Kawhi because of the new arena. They need to sell tickets.
Lob city era > PG13 KAWHI era
Thoughts???
to be fair lob city never made the conference finals
That’s a good debate. Kawhi and PG made the western conference Finals so you could go with them. Both teams had major health issues. Doc isn’t a better coach than Ty in my opinion. Both honestly had chances to be champions, but injuries and choking at the worst time happened. The Lob city clippers were amazing and always fun to watch and Chris Paul was my favorite player at time (Hornets/Pelicans fan), so I have really good memories of that time. They also beat the defending champs Spurs in round one.
Kawhi and PG clippers gave a lot of the future to a west rival so that’s a huge knock for them. But at the same time together healthy they were great in the regular season and pretty good in the playoffs when healthy.
Honestly, that’s a really good debate. I can’t blame anyone on which is better. Clippers fan would know a lot more.
@@pat.6990true but tbf Lob City Clippers didn’t have a year when they missed the playoffs entirely
Kawhi need to hire the raptors doctors because they've got the special touch
All that load management for literally nothing.
That's not how you use the word "literally" but sure.
They had SGA!…one of the best top 3 youngest player in the league, if not the best, and they traded him away. SMH 🤦
I mean, Chicago Bulls still exist, kinda.
I can't believe Kawhi still getting contracts,
I'd been got him off books, I'm good
Milwaukee, Indiana, Atlanta, Minnesota, Cleveland, Houston, the LA Lakers, and Knicks are some of the teams that traded away 3 1st round picks for short term success in recent years, and could potentially find themselves in a similar situation, so I really don't agree with how the PG13 trade was a bad idea at the time, when thewe other teams did the same thing. The PG13-Kawhi era was a failure but only because Kawhi was never healthy...
They traded away SGA and the picks that became Tre Mann, Jalen Williams and Jaime Jacquez for Paul George, who left the Clippers with nothing by departing as a free agent. That’s pretty bad.
@@nocturne311 Man, that team with Kawhi could’ve been crazy lol
NY and Houston are big to great sized markets so it won’t hurt in the long run, Milwaukee and Indiana do not care bc they never get high lottery picks so when they don’t even draft that good majority of the time, they legit do not care as they are teams that prefer trading players anyway bc of their smaller markets. Minnesota is a team that has proven itself (more than the Clippers have tbh) to be a major team to stay in the west regardless of what happens. The only ones that are really going to truly hurt from this RIGHT when one single domino falls is Atlanta and Cleveland, especially if Cleveland messes up this Garland trade.
The Lakers and Bucks at least have a championship to show for it. Kawhi was healthy that first year but they choked after being up 3-1 so no “bubble” excuse
@@nocturne311SGA wouldnt develop the same, and the Clippers scouts suck so they probably wouldnt have picked those players anyway. They were in a win now mode at the time and it made sense to get BOTH PG+Kawhi (a fact alot of people forget when they see this trade)
I don't understand the love for Kwahi, this guy never plays basketball, screwed over San Antonio, basically screwed over Toronto, and continuing to screw over the clippers and Steve ballmer
Agree he screwed over the Spurs. Raptors knew he was a one-year rental and he brought them their first championship, so he certainly didn't screw them over. And Balmer knew the injury risk from the beginning.
He didn’t screw the spurs he won them a championship
They definitely have their issues but worse than Brooklyn? KD/Kyrie signed same summer as Kawhi/PG and the Nets were way more of a cluster
Kawhi somehow has the Actually Good slider AND Stealing Money slider both maxed simultaneously
I'm early. Well who we thinking winning next season? I see thunder vs Celtics in finals
i used to have the belief that the clippers were this elite team to be feared but now im of the belief that they are a paper tiger all show no bite😊
thats been the case since like 2012
KPJ will give the Clippers a bigger boost than most people realize.
When the tanking was over in Houston at the end of the 22-23 season there were about 6 games left, KPJ averaged over 30ppg.
Man.........................bless your heart. Sure, and then he'll end up in jail for beating up an Uber driver or something. Can he lead them back to a rather quick 1st round exit? MAYBE I'll grant you that.
as a Heat fan, I'm not even bothered that PG went to the Sixers. Historically, Paul george chokes when it really matters. When teams trade you multiple times or you want to go somewhere else after signing a contract, I have to question your commitment. (cough) Harden (cough)
Kawhi is a scammer like LeBron. Except LeBron can actually win. Kawhi should've stayed in SA and win multiple championships. If not, then he should've stayed in Toronto which was a solid squad at the time.
Mismanaged?? How many various all stars and championship coaches have they brought in the past 5 years? At a certain point the players need to be held accountable.
Clippers should've taken the GSW deal. They could've at least gotten picks & some role players back
Especially trading away all that real estate for PG. Yikes.
As a sixers fan im pretty happy seeing khawi fail now. That being said the clippers did this to themselves. They should have traded paul george last seaon on a rental for some goodies. If they thought he was gonna resign as the best player at 35 they were crazy 😅
The Clippers were garbage and an afterthought before Ballmer bought the team and made the Kawhi/PG moves. This management team made them relevant for the first time ever, and opening a brand new Clippers arena in LA this season.
i’m positive the Ballmer would of blew it up after the 23 season if it weren’t for Intuit Dome. You can’t move into a new arena without star power.
Would HAVE blew it up. "Would of" it not a thing. Just sayin.
@@michaelhaydenbell”Would have BLOWN it up…” The original poster got that wrong as well.🙂
PG left an injury prone star for another injury prone star.
People dont understand how good Kawhi is.
Can you imagine saying with Kawhi will not be able to contend cos its just him on the team
But then say having PG and Kawhi are a superteam.
Also, they keep saying Kawhi faked an injury
Then they say, he is playing for the money.
If the Olympics was in may june, he will be injured.
If postseason was olympic month, Kawhi would be available
It was a great idea at the time but they gave up wayyy too much for George and trading for harden was not the move imo
If they didn't get George, they weren't getting Kawhi. In that light, it wasn't that bad of a trade.
Little known fact to many that aren’t Spurs fans.
The team’s doctors were actually correct in diagnosing his degenerative knee injury. And they said he is eligible to play because there is literally nothing you can do about it. He not only went to go to another doctor who told him the SAME thing but a third as well. All the while keeping quiet and letting uncle Dennis and his entourage rile up the media and start this unnecessary hate against the organization.
To this day, I still don’t think Kawhi is the type to sit out. All of his scouting reports coming into the draft and of his former teammates say he is a gym rat. Loves the game. Clippers have to be considering some sort of trade at this point to recoup their losses.
I'm a Lakers fan and hate the Spurs and would've been eager to clown your organization for how that went down but looking into it... The way Kawhi conducted himself during that says a lot about him imo. He stays quiet and doesn't broadcast anything about himself but he's low-key a snake. I don't buy for a second Uncle Dennis did all that without his knowledge.
2024 is the breaking point for this video? If anything they’ve been making all the right moves this off season. Paul George isn’t worth it
I mean only missed the playoffs once in the last what 20 years but they the worst franchise in nba history 🤔?
Clippers WORST ORGANIZATION & UNLUCKY 💯
Okay, tbh he did only play 60 games for TOR that year and he was limping like a mf those whole playoffs. Buddy hasn’t been 100% for almost seven years.
Thanks for the chip and dip Kawhi. I'm glad things didn't work out in LAC. You should've never left the Raps. You took that franchise for granted
It worked out well for us. We got a chip and then avoided all the injury issues he had after that year.
The Raptors dodged a bullet, and got a ring out of it - no complaints
Wrong, Harden on occasion can take over a game. Just not when you really need him to.
Bad management but I don't think Ballmer is a bad owner. If that makes any sense?
The Clippers need to move from LA. maybe return to San Diego or Seattle
Shoulda never got Harden imo i blame that for Russ performances. Russ was a diff player when he started.
I remember how the media was blowing up the moment news came out that Kawhi and PG were going to the clippers, talking about how “they already won the championship before the season even started”. Those days are long gone
Yep that included Andy hoops are other NBA TH-camrs as well
They need to move back to San Diego. Moving to San Diego will allow them to establish their identity and get from under the Lakers shadow. No matter how many chips they win they will always be the Lakers little brother.
Yeah, this is what James Harden needed. A guy who literally can’t even ball out in the playoffs anymore and also he’s a choker year after year. Yeah good job Andy.
For worst future, the Phoenix Suns would like a word... 🤑
I've heard from repeated people that Westbrook might be headed to Denver Nuggets but idk why the Nuggets would want him so I dont think that'll happen
remember doc rivers is the one that signed off on the deal to bring in PG.
As a Raptors fan and 6ix native, I have no doubt that if Kawhi stayed, then the Raptors would've repeated, or maybe even got a 3-peat. But I guess some players are just stupid 🙃
Raptors needed a lucky bounce to get to the finals. Repeating is a tough ask for any team, let alone one led by an injury prone star.
I’m a Raptors fan as well, but I disagree. I think we dodged a bullet, based on what happened after he went to the Clippers. We also got the best possible outcome: won a championship with him and avoided all the injury issues he had after that year.
knicks management should get a mention they were duds for like 20 years before the past 2....and the east was weak then
30, the Knicks haven't been relevant since the '90s.
@@brushylake4606 25 they made it to the finals and lost to spurs.....those late 90s heat knicks series were great
Thank goodness the Clippers took the title from my Nets as the team with the worst future in the NBA
If it weren't for the mighty dynasty of the 90s, this video would've been about the Bulls
Pandemic P peaked in Indy, most overrated star😂
Blake Griffen’s huge body and pounding style destroyed his body.
That Paul George for SGA trade might be one of the worst trades in NBA history
If SGA actually leads OKC to a championship
Clippers might as well trade Kawhi
Clippers have been cursed for leaving Buffalo the way they did. Break the curse by having a proper farewell game in Buffalo and allow Buffalo to raise the number 11 of Bob McAdoo to the rafters in the Buffalo arena
The Clippers is not a superteam.
Rich owners trying to build super teams doesn’t seem to go well
Even the kings got in the play in😅
7:14 that wasn’t even the reason lol
Your videos only show that you're a Monday morning quarterback. It's easy to criticize the clippers for trading SGA (unproven at the time) and some picks for a top 5 MVP that was a condition to also get the reigning Finals MVP fresh off a surprisingly healthy season. Now it's easy to point out the mistakes,but put yourself in the skin of the Clippers and prove to me that you would do different.
And to prove my point, there is your opinion on the trade at the time:
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They should’ve never traded for PG13. That team they had before just needed Kawhi. Him and SGA. And maybe a legit PF/C would’ve been lethal
Kawhi's load management "New Balance" formula...
20% hooping + 80% stooping =100% duping Steve Balmer 😁😁