MJ is my GOAT but the way LeBron dominated the east was out of this world. Took a bunch of role players to the finals in 07 and then reached the finals with some underwhelming Cavs teams later as well, and judging by current super teams, the fact he reached 4 finals with the Heat is also somewhat impressive, nowadays these teams can't even reach the conference finals.
@@raul5081the only underwhelming team later on was 2018. That team was terrible. How he brought them to the finals needs to be studied, the cavaliers practically forced LeBron out that year if you remember the narrative surrounding Gilbert and bron
@@raul5081bro the East was absolute trash. The entire 2010’s. Imagine having the biggest challenge to get to the finals being beating Lowry and Derozan’s raptors😂
I hate how that Hawks team gets remembered. Especially while being a really fun watch, and they still made the conference finals. It's not like they choked in the first round.
@@chrisuncleahmad666 they were pretty interesting to watch coz of 1 guy capable of doing anything lol. It shows you that he can elevate his game as well as his teammates lol
@@gnielsen07 2015 cavs was better than 2016 and 2017 cavs though, they swept healthy celtics, and played better basketball movement, and had much better defense that time, 2017 cavs couldn't even sweep unhealthy celtics
@@manuginobilisbaldspot2 lol the hate is real. The East is garbage when LeBron dominates it but when Jordan was dominating the East with his super teams in the mid 90s after the league added expansion teams helping him win 70+ ,65+ games a szn it wasn’t garbage then I bet HA! Even the second seed Orlando Magic won 64 games that same season and got swept by the bulls. Bron beat a 60 win hawks team without kyrie “east is garbage”
@@BRYxMONTANALeBron greatest rivals in the east playoffs during his winning seasons are PG,DeRozan & Al Horford. Lmfaoooo. MJ had to battle Ewing,Shaq & Penny,Price & Daugherty,Rice,Mourning,Isiah+Dumars+Aguirre+Rodman & Laimbeer,Miller MJ actually was playing against other HoFers in the east. PG & DeRozan (should) never be in the HoF. But I don’t doubt the NBA will boost some of this weak generation to the HoF as to not make it appear like the weakest stretch in the league since the merger.
@@thetdbj8535 Only Real Legit Superstars were Shaq and Penny lmao. Ewing is a playoff choker, only year he made it to the finals was the year MJ was retired… U named Ewing like he didn’t lose to MJ every year just like DeMar and Kyle Lowry lmao. John stars was Ewing second best player gtfoh. the west was way better when MJ was winning titles and even then MJ never played a team like KD warriors, Spurs with 4 HOFs and one of the Goats Coaches. Warriors winning 73 games is more impressive than 72 bulls during expansion.
@@thetdbj8535 Also there’s literally been playoffs series throughout Brons 8 years finals run where either one of his key teammates would get injured and he still dominated where as MJ was lucky enough Scottie pippen was always available when needed. Had Horace Grant, Bj Armstrong 1st 3peat. Comes back loses to Shaq, Penny and Horace (1st great team since bad boy pistons) and guess what Bulls get Dennis Rodman to counter.. lol
I understand why he thought to put them on this list, but the Grizzlies gave the Spurs hell every time that year. I remember this year vividly and I knew it was going to be a hard series the second I saw it. Definitely not a fraud 60 win team, just got given the absolute worst matchup possible that season. They definitely would've had an easier time with the other teams considering they weren't as defensive and gritty as the Grizz.
Alas Cleveland showed that you don’t need to play as a team as long as you have a superstar Their identity was “we have LeBron, who cares about anything else” There’s no I in team or LeBron. But he’s a go to superstar!
@@chrisuncleahmad666 Man but that '15 Cavaliers were a superteam. And an actually better assemble at that than what other superteams have tried to do. Yes, with Lebron and Kyrie you could expect the team to play solely through any of them, but they also had the good supporting cast, specially with Kevin love as the third option.
I thought chemistry and cohesion mattered Alas the Cavs showed that no matter trying to build a team the wrong way as long as you have a go to superstar it’s OK to build a selfish team with no identity Superstars matter, everything else about roster building be damned
That 2014-2015 Atlanta Hawks team was missing Sefalosha and a healthy Demarre Carroll in the playoffs who were really important to their offensive and defensive scheme. They’d be the guys checking LBJ.
demarre carroll was playing in the cleveland series though. And it wouldn't have made much of a difference either way, they were never going to beat cleveland
DeMarre Caroll played in that series. Also if your team gets swept and you’re counting THABO SHEFOLOSHA and DEMARRE CARROLL as asterisks your team was fraudulent to begin with
that hawks team actually kinda overachieved that season, so i won't consider them as frauds... frauds are those teams that were expected to be title contenders at the start of the season, and were actually good during the season, but chokes during the playoffs
The 2004-05 Phoenix Suns season was the 37th for the Phoenix Suns of the National Basketball Association. The Suns finished with the best record in the NBA at 62-20 under head coach Mike D'Antoni. The Suns sent three players to the All-Star Game, in Steve Nash, Amar'e Stoudemire, and Shawn Marion. The Suns gained from solid play from guards Quentin Richardson and Joe Johnson. Nash finished the season averaging 11.5 assists per game while making 50.2% of his field goals and 43.1% of his three-pointers in the regular season, he ended up winning the MVP award. D'Antoni was awarded Coach of the Year and Bryan Colangelo Executive of the Year.
I wouldn’t call them as frauds. They were championship contenders and they lost iso Joe to a nasty injury against the mavs. They faced a better team the spurs with Duncan and Parker at his best also manu in the conference finals.
The Hawks were good but lacked a franchise player capable of putting the game on his shoulders, due to the general lack of players with such level of talent at the time, as well as no defense in the backcourt.
The Cavs lacked chemistry cohesion identity….. but as long as you have a franchise talent it’s OK to not build an actual TEAM Cleveland basically bought a title without actually building a team
@@chrisuncleahmad666not only did they buy that title, but the money they used to buy it was probably gifted to them by silver, like the Draymond suspension. Winning three number one picks in a row despite lower odds on every pick was something like winning the state lottery several times over. Without those number one picks, they would have never gotten Kyrie and Love for Lebron to join up with for free (not having to give up assets).
@@iwishiwasthomasshelby ironically, the league benefitted forcing lebron to the cavs for those picks over the years, otherwise, who knows what team he would have joined after heat, he was going to join bulls, and lebron with healthy bulls def don't need a draymond suspension to beat warriors
agreed. They lacked the top tier talent of a truly elite team but rather had a bunch of really good players. Typically a formula for regular season success but post season flameouts. And really the only reason they managed to crack the conference finals was because of how weak the east was that year.
It’s still insane to me how Tim Duncan went from certified looking old back to one of the top PF’ers for a few years. Unreal turn around as most super stars numbers don’t just randomly dip then rise again.
Really impressive tbh, I'm a Spurs fan and I already accepted in 2010-2011 that this is the last best Spurs, an end of era kinda moment but 2013-2014 happen.
After losing to the Grizz in 2011, Tim lost weight (15-20 lbs) and started to move faster and more agile. He didn't need those extra muscles considering that he is a fundamentally skilled player. I'm so grateful the Spurs came back to contention after that.
@@WilbertAdams1 Are you sure it's unique? Or are you specifically saying January? Don't forget the Lakers with 32 straight wins (and the threw away 33 due to a flat shooting night from ALL 3 of their first 3 scoring options) in 1972 on the way to Wilt's second NBA championship.
14:44 I use to love that. They won’t do it because they make money off of the awards show at the end of the season. But I wish they would still announce the MVP during the first round of the playoffs. It puts extra pressure on the MVP and his team to go out there and validate him wining the award.
That 2006-2007 Mavs loss was a matchup nightmare. Don Nelson being the Warriors coach was even worse. Like you said, the Mavs couldn't adjust to the small-ball lineup, and their 2nd best player was Josh Howard. That team was set up to beat anyone else, but they got matched against their kryptonite.
I was playing ball in college at that time and my self and other teammates said golden State was going to win even our coaches said the same thing. That was a horrible match up for Dallas at that time Dallas was building to beat the Lakers and spurs. And Don Nelson knew that team inside and out and coached circles around Avery Johnson. And it was karma for the way mark Cuban shitted on Don Nelson
If a team wins over 60 games, usually they won the title (at least the majority of them) but unfortunately not the case for those teams on this list especially the 2015 Hawks and 2022 Suns.
As someone who watched that Sonics/Nuggets series, it was a great effort from the entire team. Brian Williams and especially Robert Pack had huge clutch moments in the series. Pack at times looked like a superstar.
When people talk about the Hawks, I hate how it is NEVER brought up that the NYPD broke Thabo's leg. If that doesn't happen, they probably still don't win, but it definitely would not have been a sweep, and they gain a lot more respect than they have now.
to be fair, Hawks are like Strength In Numbers but on a lower scale, hence 1 of them being not 100% dramatically lessen they overall prowess. And yes, they also dont have dogs in them that will willed them through the playoffs.
Cleveland played like a bunch of dogs all year but got away with it because “we have LeBron” Those Cavs team represented everything wrong with basketball There is no I in team or LeBron, but hey superstars win no matter anything else
@@chrisuncleahmad666not even that. They barely won game 6 against the Wizards. Had Pierce released his shot 2 milliseconds earlier, they would've gone to OT amd won the game. Who knows what would've happened? Also, Wall was injured in the series and it took them 6 games to beat the Wizards. If that isn't any indication that the Hawks weren't the real deal in 2015 way before the ECF, idk what would be
Imagine overachieving, getting 60 wins with no big names and just having fun moving the ball and getting to ECF.. And some TH-camr years later calls you a fraud for losing to Bron 😂
@@departition1169 old man Paul Pierce almost did with the series of clutch shots after clutch shots after clutch shots... Also, I think even the 8th seed Pacers took them to 7 and almost beat them... They even had a 3-2 lead over them and lose game 6 and 7
I mean Cleveland literally swept Boston and Atlanta the Bulls missing Gasol a couple games and Golden State were the only real challenges for Cleveland and they were missing Kevin Love
Then the 2010-11 Chicago Bulls were also frauds. Besides one lucky win, you guys also lost to LeBron's team in the ECF when you had home court advantage, just like the Hawks. You had something the Hawks didn't have, a superstar and an MVP. @@tmac731
Tbf the cardinals weren't fraudulent they looked good the Panthers was the best team in the league and the favorites to win the Superbowl Cam was dominating that season. That hawks team were the best team in the East and didn't even look competitive against the cavs
8th seed Nuggets beating 1st seed Sonics when Kemp and Payton were at their peak is insane. Talk about defense wins games. Mutumbo averaged 6 blks in that series.
Interesting, seems like there are three categories: 1. Teams on the cusp of breaking out but not quite there yet. 2. Teams that overachieved in the playoffs the previous year and were still riding a momentum that was about to run out. 3. The 2014-15 Atlanta Hawks. Speaking of category 1, will be very interesting to see what the Wolves and Thunder do in the playoffs this year.
The ATL vs CLE series has a lot more context to it. Injuries + coaching were huge here. Coach Bud told the team to let CLE shoot the 3, since they weren't particularly the best in the regular season. As it turns out, that came to bite them in the ass and Bud couldn't make adjustments
That hawks in 2014-15 had a awesome chemistry... They have a least 7-8 players averaging 12-16ppg in every game that's why they are really good at that time... Similar case to the blazers back in 1998-99 season
Is 2015 the year the Hawks had injured wing defenders, and Dirty Dellavedova clipped Korver to the hospital, tried it on Al Horford and got a Randy Savage elbow drop for his 'defensive' efforts?
The 2006-07 Dallas Mavericks has a bad matchup in the first round of the playoffs. Dallas backcourt relied on speed and quickness. When, they went up against the Warriors. Baron Davis was too strong for them. They didn't have an answer for him. Then the also had Steven Jackson and Jason Richardson. Who also killed Dallas too in the Frontcourt.
The real reason basketball is so popular in the hood is because whether you have 2 people, 10 people or you’re playing by yourself you can still play and have fun. Football and baseball you need at least 5 or 6 people to play a game
@@charlesbarron8912 Been watching him for years and years and I don't recall seeing his face before. I have a bad memory though so idk, maybe I am an Andy Hoops casual.
It seems way too nuanced. One year my Boston Celtics won the atlantic division with a 45-37 record and got to host by virtue of that...the Pacers..I believe. Maybe the division is a better standard.
I remember that Hawks team and it was always "oh they won again" and then you looked up towards the Playoffs and saw they were still 1st in the East lol. I remember I placed a bet with my roommate at the time and he said that the Hawks would beat LeBron in the Playoffs, man that was the easiest money I ever made. "C'mon man THIS TOO EASY"
I disagree with the suns personally, I think they choked rather than had a fraudulent record, people chose them to win the whole thing that year, no one thought the 2015 hawks were winning a chip
Not having the 2009 and 2010 cavs on this list is insane deflection for Lebron 66 wins 61 wins They lost to the magic and a 50 win Celtics team with all their stars passed their primes
The Magic were an elite team spearheaded by Howard and the cavaliers were clearly not fradulent given that bron had an all time series and a game winner. 2010 was definitely disappointing but fraudulent doesnt rlly fit here.
U don’t seem to give credit for the magic or how good that team was when they were a better team matchup wise and cavs were only favoured cuz Bron had a insane season making them great team. Mo Williams was inconsistent and they had no big men to guard Howard who was putting varajo in foul trouble. Bron was carrying them and went to 6 games, go watch game 4. The Celtics weren’t washed in 2010 that’s revisionist history
2016 Spurs ,67-15 record, their best winning percentage in franchise history, franchise record most wins. Tim Duncan last season, the first team since the 2007 Dallas Mavericks to finish with 67 wins and be eliminated before the conference finals. They got 67 wins but they only 2 seed coz This the Warriors 73-9 season
If I’m not mistaken. This was the year that Pachulia injured Kawhi with a very dirty play in the 1st game. Up until Leonard’s injury, the Spurs were dominating the Warriors. If Leonard didn’t get injured the series would turn out to be a completely different story
I remember exactly that match in May 6th when Chris Paul turned 37. At the beginning, we all thought it was his night. He played horribly. He was never the same again after that May 6th, 2022.
on the Suns clips, most of the TOs were DominAyton lacking court awareness. Dbook were obviously caught in the air and looking to pass but the brute didn't even seal his guy to recieve the ball.
So many people try and fail to explain what happened to the Suns. The only thing Andy said that was correct was Chris Paul was worn out. That happened against New Orleans. Willie Green knew what he was doing. With Paul being done, Ayton losing heart, and Point Book never being clutch, it was over. Also, I don't appreciate no one ever mentioning how injured the Suns were the entire season.
@@Fencellisk as a suns fan, it's frustrating how Marquese chriss 6'9" and Ayton 7' were playing like 6'5" when Amare who was 6'10 were dunking over people like a 10 footer
2010-11 Spurs were only one game better than the 2010-11 Grizzlies after the new year. The Spurs shot off to a 28-4 start in the 2010 year after being embarrassed by Phoenix in the playoffs the year before, but the team was dragging by March and looked completely out of gas by April. As bad a matchup as the Grizzlies were, I think the only WC playoff team the Spurs could have won a series against that year was maybe New Orleans.
I don’t understand how the Spurs got so much better by 2013. Even the 2011-2012 way much better than the they were in 2010. Had they faced the grizzlies in 2012 they would have swept them like they did in 2013.
@@JJJJ-he8bz Addition by subtraction with trading Richard Jefferson off onto the Warriors, plus adding Kawhi Leonard, Boris Diaw, and Danny Green and then finally giving minutes to Tiago Splitter instead of burning all the backup 4/5 minutes on Dejuan Blair and Matt Bonner.
@@JJJJ-he8bz I followed surs for a while, and generally speaking 2011 grizzlies and 2012 thunder got pretty lucky playing spurs worst versions, spurs even kinda sucked in 2013, the reason they sucked from like 2009-2012 is because they were old, and had too many role player guys who were not as fast, and they didn't have that elite european basketball ball movement system those times, and part of it was tony parker making bad pg decisions in that time too, hence why they were choking a lot, 2014 mavs almost brought out the recent chokejob failures of spurs in that time, but in game 7 spurs finally went back to beautiful basketball sharing ball movement and won by 23, why they were good in 2013 is because they relied on kawhi developing and getting more minutes finally, and danny green also becoming elite at his role along with boris diaw, in 2014 they also got more faster european guys like marco belinello and matt bonner for example, and they had tiago splitter, but after 2014 they lost it because spurs were too old and the main star guys were also getting injured much more
@@theonlygoodonehere2259that’s why I hate the narrative that the spurs were always stacked when that wasn’t the case. Yes they had Duncan and Parker also manu but Duncan was getting older while Parker was entering his prime and like u said they had a older roster with washed role players and young guys like Jefferson and George Hill. In the early 2000s Duncan was stuck with a old Robinson and washed players with his 2nd option being Derek Anderson in 2001 and Steve smith in 2002.
@@tj5180 exaclty, when teams see a spurs roster with parker, manu, and timmy d on it, or just timmy d, they automatically think they are championship level for no reason, and make it a big deal when they lose in the playoffs and avoid all contexts, timmy d had to carry a derailed spurs team with older robinsons, when he got older, tony parker was just getting into the role, but he was messing up in that role early on, this is why timmy d is my top 10 guys of all time list, 1999-2002 is the equivalent of what kawhi went through with spurs in 2016 and 2017, but timmy d is the goat pf of all time so he can propel
How did the 2021 Suns "shock everybody" by making it to the Finals? They were the 2 seed, 1 game behind the #1 seed and 4 games ahead of the #3 seed. (They also were 2 games ahead of anyone in the East, and 5 games ahead of the Bucks who also made the Finals). When a team with the NBA's 2nd-best overall record which is only 1 game behind the team with the best record gets to the Finals, NOBODY is shocked, certainly not "everybody".
That Hawks team weren’t frauds. They were built to be a team oriented team, they just had to play Prime LeBron in the playoffs, basically an instant loss when Bron heard a bit of trash talk, and Teague? Well he talked some trash and Bron ran em out the building
@@nonamewillbegiven2412 You know, it's sad when a casual like you is responding to other comments on this video as if you know anything about basketball.
I don’t think it’s really fair to call a team fraudulent when that same team wins a championship in a couple years. Good teams can lose, it’s getting learning from that loss and pushing through that matters. I’m talking about the Bucks and the Spurs.
didnt the Hawks lose one of their important guys in Sefolosha because he was injured after police wrongly arrested and attacked him? I feel like that gets left out whenevrr ppl wanna talk about this team
Most of the times there are teams which can easily reach 60 wins but the coaching staff decide not to, so they decide to give their player rest IMO which is best
A good video and the year 1993 when I was born was the year where Seattle Supersonics had their best season but maybe they could have gone at least to the final if they would not lost that tie,good friends!!!👍🏾
I dare this channel to let those NBA players know why their efforts in those seasons are fraudulent. Share this vid more so players can see this. To even state that in their 60+ wins is a disservice. Sure they lost badly in the playoffs but that's it. Those wins are from the regular season. It's the playoffs. Different setup. Different levels of pressure.
I remember 1998 when Seatlle Sonics and LA Lakers were 61-21, they faced in the 2nd round post season LAL won 4-1 then they were smashed by the Jazz..So weird.
Jazz were more experienced and the lakers didn’t have a proper coach even Nick Van Excel was talking trash. Ostertag was a X factor for them against shaq.
@cjmack8153ya baker came to the sonics but his career took another turn and Seattle really underachieved in the 90s other then making the finals in 1996 and making the semis in 1997 but they lost to Houston who just added Barkley. That team fell off after.
I think the only true fraudulent 60 win team on this list was that 2015 Hawks team. Their formula was ideal for winning regular season games but was not conducive to post season success. The only reason they even made it to the conference finals was because of how weak the east was that year. They were never going to beat Cleveland.
I think the Spurs still win, if they were having trouble with injury ridden Barron Davis the Mavs wouldn't stand a chance against Finals MVP Tony Parker.
As a Cavs fan you have to remember the media was calling the Hawks the eastern conference Spurs with both warriors & hawks having surprising standout seasons that year. Chicago & Cavs were the favs in the east that season. Hawks made the conference finals & won 60games. Coach bud did one hell of a job with that Hawks team. I still remember going to the preseason Bulls, Cavs game in Columbus, OH at the Schottenstein center.. Rose was healthy & balling out. No one had the Hawks going to the ECF & winning 60+ games...
That mavs-suns series was completely chaotic and disastrous! Reminded me of Brock Lesnar taking John Cena’s title and dominated from the start at summerslam, or taking him to Suplex City… Luka was Brock of course
I mean this team won 73 games, but you forgot the 2015 golden state warriors. They almost choked away the okc game and then they choked away 3-1 lead in the finals. That team was the definition of fraudulent, but you are only stating 60 win teams.
the East used to be so bad, the only team that gave Lebron some difficulty were the aging Celtics and the Pacers. For almost 10 years the East was just Lebron. One of the few things I like about today's nba is that the two conferences are somewhat balanced now.
@@ahmadbadgett2176in what way were they fraudulent ? Just bc they lost doesn’t mean it was the case. They lost to the mavs in a competitive series and if manu doesn’t foul dirk. They would’ve won game 7
Ginobilli played on a broken arm and didn’t play too well. Timmy’s knee was in bad shape and was playing on that bulky Unloader brace. It wasn’t going to end well that season.
I recall the East was pretty weak for some time which is probably why Atlanta won 60 games. Apart from Bron, I’m not sure who else was in the East. The West was brutal.
I don’t like this title because frauds don’t deserve fruits of what they did because way they did it. But Atlanta was definitely the better team in 60 of their games. Feel like it kinda works as an attempt to take away from what statistically they did do just my opinion though have loved the Channel for years though(4 at least if not more)
Mavericks' 60 wins wasn't fraudulent for me, they finished 60-22 the season before,so they were capable of winning 60 games the next year or so. Plus Dirk really played well in his lone MVP season, it's just that Don Nelson knew the blueprint on how to dismantle his former team.
@@MHrswd Bron just won 2 chips and make the finals 4 times before that ATL-Cavs series 😂, ain't no way they have a chance when Bron just easily smoked the East 4 years straight 💀
When you win 60+ games, the pressure is in you. (Extreme High Pressure) Because of high expectations from the fans.. while the challenger is very motivated and hungry. and The Challenger's mindset is always, "I Have nothing lose, but everything to gain"
I'm glad u brought up that spurs loss in 2011, it's always bothered me how no one ever brings it up, fans always highlight all of Bron, KD and Kobe's lowlights but because Duncan and the Spurs were bland, their blandness while it stopped them from being popular also helped them be exempt from the slander that more popular players got. They flat out choked
Choked the easiest lay up in history too game 7. Never once was strong enough to defend any of the 5 titles. Point is... everyone has choked... whoever sells gets it advertised the most.
It's asinine how people downplay Tim Duncan's legacy because he never won back to back. 5 rings is 5 rings no matter how they came. Duncan was well out of his prime in 2011 fyi he was 35 years old
I've never liked the use of "fraudulent" in regards to teams. It paints such a casual picture of things when any number of factors goes into what happens, and those same teams will later do better. The Spurs were in the finals 2 years later, the Hawks weren't even expected to win 60+ games, etc.
Feels like Atlanta shouldn’t be here. At the end of the day you said their only downfall was lack of a star player then said that their star player got arrested and his leg broken ☠️ I guess the cavs would’ve been fraudulent and gotten blown out too if bron’s leg snapped at a nightclub
Can't see calling the 2015 Hawks 'fraudulent.' They won 60, beyond any sane expectation, then reached ECF to show they weren't a fluke. That's over achievement, not fraud. Then they lost to a team they had no real shot at beating.
60 win hawks weren’t frauds they got all the way to the conference final..there wasn’t a chance in hell they were gonna beat lebron even if they won 70 games
That 2015 Cavs team was so insufferable An entitled bunch of selfish players who acted like chemistry and cohesion be damned, coaching doesn’t matter, we have LeBron we have a superstar who needs passing who needs cohesion who needs team building who needs an identity They acted like the Finals was their birthright without having to truly earn it through ups and downs just get a star All they did was spend money to try and buy a championship But who cares they have a superstar! No chemistry no soul, callous and selfish, joyless They represented everything wrong with basketbal. I mean David Blatt? What a joke? But…… they have LeBron! They have a superstar that’s all that matters!
My criteria is usually just what is the team's record against winning teams and do they have a dependable superstar. Your record against the good teams pretty much says if you can hang with more talented squads. And having a superstar is pretty much only for playoff games because when you have that much time to prep then you play the same team over and over usually the only thing that really wins those games is the guy that you give the ball to at the end of games and even when the team plays perfect defense he just finds a way to get it done. That is usually the difference. You can point the teams that didn't have that like the '04 Pistons but it's so rare.
Bro this new logo still throwing me off, keep thinking it’s some random channel when I see one of your videos on my feed
Same until I see Andy hoops
lmao me too
Same lol
Same lmao
Yeah I start thinking this was a geographical channel
Man everybody used to struggle to beat those 2010 Grizzlies teams. They are one of the best defensive teams of all time.
Zach Randolph was a beast in his prime! Miss that team with him, Marc Gasol & Mike Conley
Imagine a player like kawhi on that team
@@bigbangbasketballthey had the unskilled Walmart version in tony allen lol
@@bigbangbasketball Facts
@@frankdux3605they were such an underrated team , sadly they ran into the warriors later on that era
Man Lebron looked at that hawks team and was like “Nigga I run this conference”😂😂😂
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MJ is my GOAT but the way LeBron dominated the east was out of this world. Took a bunch of role players to the finals in 07 and then reached the finals with some underwhelming Cavs teams later as well, and judging by current super teams, the fact he reached 4 finals with the Heat is also somewhat impressive, nowadays these teams can't even reach the conference finals.
@@raul5081the only underwhelming team later on was 2018. That team was terrible. How he brought them to the finals needs to be studied, the cavaliers practically forced LeBron out that year if you remember the narrative surrounding Gilbert and bron
They talk about LeBronto but ppl forget about LeAtlanta
@@raul5081bro the East was absolute trash. The entire 2010’s. Imagine having the biggest challenge to get to the finals being beating Lowry and Derozan’s raptors😂
I hate how that Hawks team gets remembered. Especially while being a really fun watch, and they still made the conference finals. It's not like they choked in the first round.
The Cavs were not fun to watch at all unless you like watching “1 guy does everything”
@@chrisuncleahmad666cavs were very entertaining in 16 and 17. Not in 15 or 18 though
@@chrisuncleahmad666 they were pretty interesting to watch coz of 1 guy capable of doing anything lol. It shows you that he can elevate his game as well as his teammates lol
@@gnielsen07 2015 cavs was better than 2016 and 2017 cavs though, they swept healthy celtics, and played better basketball movement, and had much better defense that time, 2017 cavs couldn't even sweep unhealthy celtics
They had an unsatisfying win against the Wizards, and then got swept by the Cavs
When the 2015 hawks are mentioned, All I can think about is LeBron saying “Cmon dawg this too easy” in a middle of a sweep Ha!
Thanks for again showing how garbage the East was…
@@manuginobilisbaldspot2 lol the hate is real. The East is garbage when LeBron dominates it but when Jordan was dominating the East with his super teams in the mid 90s after the league added expansion teams helping him win 70+ ,65+ games a szn it wasn’t garbage then I bet HA! Even the second seed Orlando Magic won 64 games that same season and got swept by the bulls. Bron beat a 60 win hawks team without kyrie “east is garbage”
@@BRYxMONTANALeBron greatest rivals in the east playoffs during his winning seasons are PG,DeRozan & Al Horford. Lmfaoooo. MJ had to battle Ewing,Shaq & Penny,Price & Daugherty,Rice,Mourning,Isiah+Dumars+Aguirre+Rodman & Laimbeer,Miller
MJ actually was playing against other HoFers in the east. PG & DeRozan (should) never be in the HoF. But I don’t doubt the NBA will boost some of this weak generation to the HoF as to not make it appear like the weakest stretch in the league since the merger.
@@thetdbj8535 Only Real Legit Superstars were Shaq and Penny lmao. Ewing is a playoff choker, only year he made it to the finals was the year MJ was retired… U named Ewing like he didn’t lose to MJ every year just like DeMar and Kyle Lowry lmao. John stars was Ewing second best player gtfoh. the west was way better when MJ was winning titles and even then MJ never played a team like KD warriors, Spurs with 4 HOFs and one of the Goats Coaches. Warriors winning 73 games is more impressive than 72 bulls during expansion.
@@thetdbj8535 Also there’s literally been playoffs series throughout Brons 8 years finals run where either one of his key teammates would get injured and he still dominated where as MJ was lucky enough Scottie pippen was always available when needed. Had Horace Grant, Bj Armstrong 1st 3peat. Comes back loses to Shaq, Penny and Horace (1st great team since bad boy pistons) and guess what Bulls get Dennis Rodman to counter.. lol
That 2011 Grizzlies team gave the Spurs fits. The Grizzlies were flat out too much for that team to overcome.
*2011
after that, memphis couldntwin against the spurs. they were even swept for two years and in the playoffs.
I understand why he thought to put them on this list, but the Grizzlies gave the Spurs hell every time that year. I remember this year vividly and I knew it was going to be a hard series the second I saw it. Definitely not a fraud 60 win team, just got given the absolute worst matchup possible that season. They definitely would've had an easier time with the other teams considering they weren't as defensive and gritty as the Grizz.
That Spurs team was injured. Duncan's knees were shot and Ginobili had one good arm.
@@gremcilia_immermurinThis.
Ginobili had been playing with a fractured arm the whole series, he had to undergo surgery after the season.
i remember when some people even called the Hawks as the "Spurs of the East". Good times
Alas Cleveland showed that you don’t need to play as a team as long as you have a superstar
Their identity was “we have LeBron, who cares about anything else”
There’s no I in team or LeBron. But he’s a go to superstar!
@@chrisuncleahmad666lol “Alas”
Yeah, then a scandal about their GM Danny Ferry being racist to I think it's Luol Deng came out, then it all went downhill from there.
Mojo99 punching the air right now…
@@chrisuncleahmad666 Man but that '15 Cavaliers were a superteam. And an actually better assemble at that than what other superteams have tried to do. Yes, with Lebron and Kyrie you could expect the team to play solely through any of them, but they also had the good supporting cast, specially with Kevin love as the third option.
That Hawks team was a poor man's early-2000s Pistons team.
I thought chemistry and cohesion mattered
Alas the Cavs showed that no matter trying to build a team the wrong way as long as you have a go to superstar it’s OK to build a selfish team with no identity
Superstars matter, everything else about roster building be damned
I’d say that was a good team but one that wasn’t really a championship contender.
@@chrisuncleahmad666it does matter. If you have a superstar. If you don’t, then nothing you do matters. Unless you get very lucky
I would say the poor man’s spurs
Not even close
Don Nelson knew everything Dallas was gonna do … he was the key piece
Basically and Popavich knew everything about Cleveland because Mike Brown drew every player from Spurs
@@Bigedub101 exactly
That GS team was the worst possible matchup for Dallas in every way.
it's like taking the brain out of the body. However, Nowitzki will overcome it next time as an underdog
Nelly knew that team in and out and GS was a bad matchup for Dallas and it was karma for the big fall out don nelson and Mark Cuban had
That 2014-2015 Atlanta Hawks team was missing Sefalosha and a healthy Demarre Carroll in the playoffs who were really important to their offensive and defensive scheme. They’d be the guys checking LBJ.
Wizards would have likely beat them if Wall doesn’t miss games 2, 3 and 4 with the broken hand
It wouldn’t have mattered. The Cavs would’ve obliterated them anyway.
demarre carroll was playing in the cleveland series though. And it wouldn't have made much of a difference either way, they were never going to beat cleveland
They ain't "checking" That version of Lebron stop the cap bro. They win 1 game at best.
DeMarre Caroll played in that series. Also if your team gets swept and you’re counting THABO SHEFOLOSHA and DEMARRE CARROLL as asterisks your team was fraudulent to begin with
that hawks team actually kinda overachieved that season, so i won't consider them as frauds...
frauds are those teams that were expected to be title contenders at the start of the season, and were actually good during the season, but chokes during the playoffs
Exactly nobody expected us to win 60🤷🏾♂️. Shows you how much chemistry and ball movement can do fora team. Just lacked a superstar
@@DTroy98kinda makes me wonder what star would've helped them the most, they were almost there without one
@@TippedScaleKawhi Leonard or Paul George for sure or even KD
1994 Seattle
2007 Dallas
2010 Cleveland
2015 Atlanta
2020 Milwaukee (56-17 in shortened season = 63 wins in normal season)
2022 Phoenix
That Hawks team was legit a team, it's just that NBA is a shitty league so one man can dismantle the other team in a series if he's good enough.
The 2004-05 Phoenix Suns season was the 37th for the Phoenix Suns of the National Basketball Association. The Suns finished with the best record in the NBA at 62-20 under head coach Mike D'Antoni. The Suns sent three players to the All-Star Game, in Steve Nash, Amar'e Stoudemire, and Shawn Marion. The Suns gained from solid play from guards Quentin Richardson and Joe Johnson. Nash finished the season averaging 11.5 assists per game while making 50.2% of his field goals and 43.1% of his three-pointers in the regular season, he ended up winning the MVP award. D'Antoni was awarded Coach of the Year and Bryan Colangelo Executive of the Year.
I remember having the Suns in the finals that year 🙄. Those Suns teams were fun to watch
Exactly I don’t know how you put a team that actually made the finals over a team that never got over the hump
To be fair, they lost to the Spurs in their prime
I wouldn’t call them as frauds. They were championship contenders and they lost iso Joe to a nasty injury against the mavs. They faced a better team the spurs with Duncan and Parker at his best also manu in the conference finals.
Wasnt this the year where the refs were pulling shady shit during that series?
The Hawks were good but lacked a franchise player capable of putting the game on his shoulders, due to the general lack of players with such level of talent at the time, as well as no defense in the backcourt.
The Cavs lacked chemistry cohesion identity….. but as long as you have a franchise talent it’s OK to not build an actual TEAM
Cleveland basically bought a title without actually building a team
@@chrisuncleahmad666not only did they buy that title, but the money they used to buy it was probably gifted to them by silver, like the Draymond suspension. Winning three number one picks in a row despite lower odds on every pick was something like winning the state lottery several times over. Without those number one picks, they would have never gotten Kyrie and Love for Lebron to join up with for free (not having to give up assets).
@@iwishiwasthomasshelby ironically, the league benefitted forcing lebron to the cavs for those picks over the years, otherwise, who knows what team he would have joined after heat, he was going to join bulls, and lebron with healthy bulls def don't need a draymond suspension to beat warriors
agreed. They lacked the top tier talent of a truly elite team but rather had a bunch of really good players. Typically a formula for regular season success but post season flameouts. And really the only reason they managed to crack the conference finals was because of how weak the east was that year.
Not their fault that Draymond like to punch people 😭. That’s part of the game
As a Mavs fan for 20 years already, this hurts a lot.
It’s still insane to me how Tim Duncan went from certified looking old back to one of the top PF’ers for a few years. Unreal turn around as most super stars numbers don’t just randomly dip then rise again.
He found LeBron’s PED source
Really impressive tbh, I'm a Spurs fan and I already accepted in 2010-2011 that this is the last best Spurs, an end of era kinda moment but 2013-2014 happen.
After losing to the Grizz in 2011, Tim lost weight (15-20 lbs) and started to move faster and more agile. He didn't need those extra muscles considering that he is a fundamentally skilled player. I'm so grateful the Spurs came back to contention after that.
@@manuginobilisbaldspot2LeBalco
*Load management Duncan was playing like 28 Mins a game and resting several games a season that’s how he did it
Don't forget that that Hawks team went 17-0 in January. To this day is still the only team in NBA history to accomplish that feat.
Didn't the Heat team in 2013 win 27 straight games?
@@BIuezy Yes they did. However, they didn't go through a calendar month without loosing.
@@WilbertAdams1 Are you sure it's unique?
Or are you specifically saying January?
Don't forget the Lakers with 32 straight wins (and the threw away 33 due to a flat shooting night from ALL 3 of their first 3 scoring options) in 1972 on the way to Wilt's second NBA championship.
14:44 I use to love that. They won’t do it because they make money off of the awards show at the end of the season. But I wish they would still announce the MVP during the first round of the playoffs. It puts extra pressure on the MVP and his team to go out there and validate him wining the award.
That 2006-2007 Mavs loss was a matchup nightmare. Don Nelson being the Warriors coach was even worse.
Like you said, the Mavs couldn't adjust to the small-ball lineup, and their 2nd best player was Josh Howard. That team was set up to beat anyone else, but they got matched against their kryptonite.
I was playing ball in college at that time and my self and other teammates said golden State was going to win even our coaches said the same thing. That was a horrible match up for Dallas at that time Dallas was building to beat the Lakers and spurs. And Don Nelson knew that team inside and out and coached circles around Avery Johnson. And it was karma for the way mark Cuban shitted on Don Nelson
Nah the Hawks were good. Horford got hurt in the ECF which makes it look like they couldn't compete
And the Cavs were missing one of their stars too
Let's be real. The hawks were never beating that Cavs team
The Cavs were missing Love and Irving, and swept the hawks.
@@Schi8694Exactly and took GSW to 6 games without 2 star players
Literally no excuse for the Hawks they were frauds. Kyrie iirc played 1 game while Love was out during the series. Yet they were swept.
If a team wins over 60 games, usually they won the title (at least the majority of them) but unfortunately not the case for those teams on this list especially the 2015 Hawks and 2022 Suns.
Pretenders simple
@@123shotas💯 agree
2001-02 Kings 😭
@@elizabethgeorge168Tbf, They played in a Tough Conference and played in a rigged WCF
Out the second round. Hawks almost lost to wizards before getting swept by cavs
As someone who watched that Sonics/Nuggets series, it was a great effort from the entire team. Brian Williams and especially Robert Pack had huge clutch moments in the series. Pack at times looked like a superstar.
I went to the first game in Denver of that series (their first win)..it was totally nuts!
When people talk about the Hawks, I hate how it is NEVER brought up that the NYPD broke Thabo's leg. If that doesn't happen, they probably still don't win, but it definitely would not have been a sweep, and they gain a lot more respect than they have now.
That and Dellevadova diving at everyone's leg's.
If that doesn’t happen, they probably still don’t win but….😂😂😂
to be fair, Hawks are like Strength In Numbers but on a lower scale, hence 1 of them being not 100% dramatically lessen they overall prowess.
And yes, they also dont have dogs in them that will willed them through the playoffs.
Cleveland played like a bunch of dogs all year but got away with it because “we have LeBron”
Those Cavs team represented everything wrong with basketball
There is no I in team or LeBron, but hey superstars win no matter anything else
@@chrisuncleahmad666not even that. They barely won game 6 against the Wizards. Had Pierce released his shot 2 milliseconds earlier, they would've gone to OT amd won the game. Who knows what would've happened? Also, Wall was injured in the series and it took them 6 games to beat the Wizards. If that isn't any indication that the Hawks weren't the real deal in 2015 way before the ECF, idk what would be
@@christiankarlkarganilla2763 And the Wizards would have won 1-2 games?
@@chrisuncleahmad666 idk what the outcome would've been but they would've put more of a fight against the Cavs than the Hawks did.
@@christiankarlkarganilla2763cap. They would’ve gotten dusted
Imagine overachieving, getting 60 wins with no big names and just having fun moving the ball and getting to ECF..
And some TH-camr years later calls you a fraud for losing to Bron 😂
Frrr i remember nobody rlly expecting them to make a playoff run even tho they had 60 wins thought the 5th seeded wizards woulda beat them at the time
@@departition1169 old man Paul Pierce almost did with the series of clutch shots after clutch shots after clutch shots... Also, I think even the 8th seed Pacers took them to 7 and almost beat them... They even had a 3-2 lead over them and lose game 6 and 7
@@alexiscando2068 that was 2014
That atlanta hawks team was so much fun to watch, spurs of the east! Some of my favorite players were on this team.
The Spuuuuuuuuuurss of the east!
As a Bulls fan I knew 2015 Hawks were flukes and the Bulls v Cavs was the real ECF of 2015
you sound like a hater dawg
@@jaivynwester51 I’m not a hater it’s facts. 4 all stars but 0 all nba players in that hawks team
I mean Cleveland literally swept Boston and Atlanta the Bulls missing Gasol a couple games and Golden State were the only real challenges for Cleveland and they were missing Kevin Love
Then the 2010-11 Chicago Bulls were also frauds. Besides one lucky win, you guys also lost to LeBron's team in the ECF when you had home court advantage, just like the Hawks. You had something the Hawks didn't have, a superstar and an MVP. @@tmac731
That hawks team was probably one of the best teams that didn’t have a true mvp level player
Exactly
I’m afraid this years thunder might be like the hawks. They all so young but idk if they’re playoff ready but I have hope
Nah what killed that Hawks team is that they didn’t have a bonafide star , OKC got a star in Shai
Except they were short of 60
Thunder was fine this playoffs.
@@RandalfElVikingo yea not too bad
The 2015 Hawks remind me a lot of the 2015 Arizona cardinals.
Two good teams that unfortunately couldn’t make it past their semifinal rounds
That Atlanta Hawks team went to the eastern conference finals.
Both the Hawks and Cardinals made it to their respective Conference championships in 2015
Tbf the cardinals weren't fraudulent they looked good the Panthers was the best team in the league and the favorites to win the Superbowl Cam was dominating that season. That hawks team were the best team in the East and didn't even look competitive against the cavs
@@Saucedef the cardinals didn't look competitive at all in their blowout loss against the panthers.
8th seed Nuggets beating 1st seed Sonics when Kemp and Payton were at their peak is insane. Talk about defense wins games. Mutumbo averaged 6 blks in that series.
Interesting, seems like there are three categories:
1. Teams on the cusp of breaking out but not quite there yet.
2. Teams that overachieved in the playoffs the previous year and were still riding a momentum that was about to run out.
3. The 2014-15 Atlanta Hawks.
Speaking of category 1, will be very interesting to see what the Wolves and Thunder do in the playoffs this year.
Well it look like you about to add the 2023-2024 OKC Thunder team to this list 😂
My thought was like "why not add the 2022-2023 Bucks" but then I realized they were only 58-24 and they pretty much had the best record at that season
@@AC12246I mean he said 60 wins of better
Teams meant for regular season winning only
Hawks had deep team with high role player on league when spacing wasn't as big so nah. Okc has 2 potential stars
They didn't win 60 gamss
Fraudulent is kind of an overstatement. Winning 60 plus games in the nba gotta be tough
Thanks!
The ATL vs CLE series has a lot more context to it. Injuries + coaching were huge here. Coach Bud told the team to let CLE shoot the 3, since they weren't particularly the best in the regular season. As it turns out, that came to bite them in the ass and Bud couldn't make adjustments
That hawks in 2014-15 had a awesome chemistry... They have a least 7-8 players averaging 12-16ppg in every game that's why they are really good at that time... Similar case to the blazers back in 1998-99 season
Is 2015 the year the Hawks had injured wing defenders, and Dirty Dellavedova clipped Korver to the hospital, tried it on Al Horford and got a Randy Savage elbow drop for his 'defensive' efforts?
Bro forgot to mention the 2015-16 Golden State Warriors.
After going 73-9, they barely won 50% of their playoff games lmao.
Hawks could have used Joe Johnson
Or josh smith
another quality video great job sir Andy
The 2006-07 Dallas Mavericks has a bad matchup in the first round of the playoffs. Dallas backcourt relied on speed and quickness. When, they went up against the Warriors. Baron Davis was too strong for them. They didn't have an answer for him. Then the also had Steven Jackson and Jason Richardson. Who also killed Dallas too in the Frontcourt.
The real reason basketball is so popular in the hood is because whether you have 2 people, 10 people or you’re playing by yourself you can still play and have fun. Football and baseball you need at least 5 or 6 people to play a game
0:41 The Andy Hoops face reveal 🤯
Casual
@@charlesbarron8912 Been watching him for years and years and I don't recall seeing his face before. I have a bad memory though so idk, maybe I am an Andy Hoops casual.
@@ant4613he’s shown his face sometimes in intros
@@ant4613you a casual
Could you do vise-versa teams like wasn't that good at normal season then better in playoffs?
It seems way too nuanced. One year my Boston Celtics won the atlantic division with a 45-37 record and got to host by virtue of that...the Pacers..I believe.
Maybe the division is a better standard.
I remember that Hawks team and it was always "oh they won again" and then you looked up towards the Playoffs and saw they were still 1st in the East lol. I remember I placed a bet with my roommate at the time and he said that the Hawks would beat LeBron in the Playoffs, man that was the easiest money I ever made. "C'mon man THIS TOO EASY"
I disagree with the suns personally, I think they choked rather than had a fraudulent record, people chose them to win the whole thing that year, no one thought the 2015 hawks were winning a chip
Not having the 2009 and 2010 cavs on this list is insane deflection for Lebron
66 wins
61 wins
They lost to the magic and a 50 win Celtics team with all their stars passed their primes
How can you wake up everyday to put this amount of effort into hating? Get a life.
The Magic were an elite team spearheaded by Howard and the cavaliers were clearly not fradulent given that bron had an all time series and a game winner. 2010 was definitely disappointing but fraudulent doesnt rlly fit here.
U don’t seem to give credit for the magic or how good that team was when they were a better team matchup wise and cavs were only favoured cuz Bron had a insane season making them great team. Mo Williams was inconsistent and they had no big men to guard Howard who was putting varajo in foul trouble. Bron was carrying them and went to 6 games, go watch game 4. The Celtics weren’t washed in 2010 that’s revisionist history
Oh, and several magic players were caught using peds
@@MikeBeltMikeBelt any time someone doesn’t bow to that dude you mfs call it hate
That grizzly squad got to the Western conference finals once and got swept
2016 Spurs ,67-15 record, their best winning percentage in franchise history, franchise record most wins. Tim Duncan last season, the first team since the 2007 Dallas Mavericks to finish with 67 wins and be eliminated before the conference finals. They got 67 wins but they only 2 seed coz This the Warriors 73-9 season
If I’m not mistaken. This was the year that Pachulia injured Kawhi with a very dirty play in the 1st game.
Up until Leonard’s injury, the Spurs were dominating the Warriors. If Leonard didn’t get injured the series would turn out to be a completely different story
@@kushberry6679that was 2017 wasnt it?
@@kushberry6679No. Spurs lost to OKC.
@@spvzonthetrack9957 Oh okay I got confused
@@kushberry6679 nah this the last tim duncan series, the warriors 3-1 comeback against okc, then Cavs beat warriors down 3-1 also
That Gary Payton alley-oop @8:45 would have made Rick Berry proud. Personally I’ve never seen that for a pass ever. So silky.
I remember exactly that match in May 6th when Chris Paul turned 37. At the beginning, we all thought it was his night. He played horribly. He was never the same again after that May 6th, 2022.
He was a superstar right before he turned 37. That 37 hit him like a Mack truck I’ve never seen a sudden decline like that
@@ozzee5094didn’t he have that game where he had 100% fg righter before it too?
@@judith678 he sure did dude was putting on a masterclass for the ages before he got hit with that 37.
@@ozzee5094my bro go TH-cam - are you a good person by living waters
on the Suns clips, most of the TOs were DominAyton lacking court awareness.
Dbook were obviously caught in the air and looking to pass but the brute didn't even seal his guy to recieve the ball.
So many people try and fail to explain what happened to the Suns. The only thing Andy said that was correct was Chris Paul was worn out. That happened against New Orleans. Willie Green knew what he was doing. With Paul being done, Ayton losing heart, and Point Book never being clutch, it was over. Also, I don't appreciate no one ever mentioning how injured the Suns were the entire season.
@@Fencelliskthey just that good they just beaten injured teams thats why they are in the finals 3 years ago
@@dxtremecaliber what does that have to do with 64-18??? And the Suns were the most injured team that year.
...also everyone had Covid
@@Fencellisk as a suns fan, it's frustrating how Marquese chriss 6'9" and Ayton 7' were playing like 6'5" when Amare who was 6'10 were dunking over people like a 10 footer
2010-11 Spurs were only one game better than the 2010-11 Grizzlies after the new year. The Spurs shot off to a 28-4 start in the 2010 year after being embarrassed by Phoenix in the playoffs the year before, but the team was dragging by March and looked completely out of gas by April. As bad a matchup as the Grizzlies were, I think the only WC playoff team the Spurs could have won a series against that year was maybe New Orleans.
I don’t understand how the Spurs got so much better by 2013. Even the 2011-2012 way much better than the they were in 2010. Had they faced the grizzlies in 2012 they would have swept them like they did in 2013.
@@JJJJ-he8bz Addition by subtraction with trading Richard Jefferson off onto the Warriors, plus adding Kawhi Leonard, Boris Diaw, and Danny Green and then finally giving minutes to Tiago Splitter instead of burning all the backup 4/5 minutes on Dejuan Blair and Matt Bonner.
@@JJJJ-he8bz I followed surs for a while, and generally speaking 2011 grizzlies and 2012 thunder got pretty lucky playing spurs worst versions, spurs even kinda sucked in 2013, the reason they sucked from like 2009-2012 is because they were old, and had too many role player guys who were not as fast, and they didn't have that elite european basketball ball movement system those times, and part of it was tony parker making bad pg decisions in that time too, hence why they were choking a lot, 2014 mavs almost brought out the recent chokejob failures of spurs in that time, but in game 7 spurs finally went back to beautiful basketball sharing ball movement and won by 23, why they were good in 2013 is because they relied on kawhi developing and getting more minutes finally, and danny green also becoming elite at his role along with boris diaw, in 2014 they also got more faster european guys like marco belinello and matt bonner for example, and they had tiago splitter, but after 2014 they lost it because spurs were too old and the main star guys were also getting injured much more
@@theonlygoodonehere2259that’s why I hate the narrative that the spurs were always stacked when that wasn’t the case. Yes they had Duncan and Parker also manu but Duncan was getting older while Parker was entering his prime and like u said they had a older roster with washed role players and young guys like Jefferson and George Hill. In the early 2000s Duncan was stuck with a old Robinson and washed players with his 2nd option being Derek Anderson in 2001 and Steve smith in 2002.
@@tj5180 exaclty, when teams see a spurs roster with parker, manu, and timmy d on it, or just timmy d, they automatically think they are championship level for no reason, and make it a big deal when they lose in the playoffs and avoid all contexts, timmy d had to carry a derailed spurs team with older robinsons, when he got older, tony parker was just getting into the role, but he was messing up in that role early on, this is why timmy d is my top 10 guys of all time list, 1999-2002 is the equivalent of what kawhi went through with spurs in 2016 and 2017, but timmy d is the goat pf of all time so he can propel
How did the 2021 Suns "shock everybody" by making it to the Finals? They were the 2 seed, 1 game behind the #1 seed and 4 games ahead of the #3 seed. (They also were 2 games ahead of anyone in the East, and 5 games ahead of the Bucks who also made the Finals).
When a team with the NBA's 2nd-best overall record which is only 1 game behind the team with the best record gets to the Finals, NOBODY is shocked, certainly not "everybody".
That Hawks team weren’t frauds. They were built to be a team oriented team, they just had to play Prime LeBron in the playoffs, basically an instant loss when Bron heard a bit of trash talk, and Teague? Well he talked some trash and Bron ran em out the building
Yawn Bron stan
@@nonamewillbegiven2412 truth hurts doesn't it
@@MikeTownesGaming no truth given
@@nonamewillbegiven2412 You're a casual, so that's why you don't believe the truth.
@@nonamewillbegiven2412 You know, it's sad when a casual like you is responding to other comments on this video as if you know anything about basketball.
I don’t think it’s really fair to call a team fraudulent when that same team wins a championship in a couple years. Good teams can lose, it’s getting learning from that loss and pushing through that matters.
I’m talking about the Bucks and the Spurs.
Where the 15-16 Warriors at? They blew a 3-1 lead after breaking the nba season record
didnt the Hawks lose one of their important guys in Sefolosha because he was injured after police wrongly arrested and attacked him? I feel like that gets left out whenevrr ppl wanna talk about this team
Most of the times there are teams which can easily reach 60 wins but the coaching staff decide not to, so they decide to give their player rest IMO which is best
No
A good video and the year 1993 when I was born was the year where Seattle Supersonics had their best season but maybe they could have gone at least to the final if they would not lost that tie,good friends!!!👍🏾
I dare this channel to let those NBA players know why their efforts in those seasons are fraudulent. Share this vid more so players can see this.
To even state that in their 60+ wins is a disservice.
Sure they lost badly in the playoffs but that's it. Those wins are from the regular season.
It's the playoffs. Different setup. Different levels of pressure.
I remember 1998 when Seatlle Sonics and LA Lakers were 61-21, they faced in the 2nd round post season LAL won 4-1 then they were smashed by the Jazz..So weird.
Jazz were more experienced and the lakers didn’t have a proper coach even Nick Van Excel was talking trash. Ostertag was a X factor for them against shaq.
@cjmack8153ya baker came to the sonics but his career took another turn and Seattle really underachieved in the 90s other then making the finals in 1996 and making the semis in 1997 but they lost to Houston who just added Barkley. That team fell off after.
I remember being stunned when Denver beat Seattle. The Sonics were so dominant that year.
I think the only true fraudulent 60 win team on this list was that 2015 Hawks team. Their formula was ideal for winning regular season games but was not conducive to post season success. The only reason they even made it to the conference finals was because of how weak the east was that year. They were never going to beat Cleveland.
Let’s say the Warriors miss the playoffs in 2006-07 (which was very possible if you look at the standings for that year)-do the Mavs reach the Finals?
Yes
Nah. The Spurs were on a revenge tour that season. Specifically for the Mavs
they lose in wcf
I think the Spurs still win, if they were having trouble with injury ridden Barron Davis the Mavs wouldn't stand a chance against Finals MVP Tony Parker.
That series is just a bad match up to them, I think the warriors even sweep the Mavs in the regular season.
You forgot to mention 2016 Spurs team won 67 games and was dismantled by Westbrook and KD in the 2nd round
To not mention Bron’s 2009 Cavs is malpractice
That hawks team was really held together by Kyle Korver Three points streak that season.
As a Cavs fan you have to remember the media was calling the Hawks the eastern conference Spurs with both warriors & hawks having surprising standout seasons that year. Chicago & Cavs were the favs in the east that season. Hawks made the conference finals & won 60games. Coach bud did one hell of a job with that Hawks team. I still remember going to the preseason Bulls, Cavs game in Columbus, OH at the Schottenstein center.. Rose was healthy & balling out. No one had the Hawks going to the ECF & winning 60+ games...
@@josephbutchko3165isn't a Cavs fan
@@josephbutchko3165and no one cares
That mavs-suns series was completely chaotic and disastrous! Reminded me of Brock Lesnar taking John Cena’s title and dominated from the start at summerslam, or taking him to Suplex City… Luka was Brock of course
I mean this team won 73 games, but you forgot the 2015 golden state warriors. They almost choked away the okc game and then they choked away 3-1 lead in the finals. That team was the definition of fraudulent, but you are only stating 60 win teams.
Different years still won in 15
Spurs And curry are 2-1 against lebron
And Jason terry still lives in lebrons head
You mean the 2016 warriors and it’s hard to call them a fraud when they made the finals.
The most fraudulent 60-win teams
so bascially every single eastern confrence team in the 2000s
the East used to be so bad, the only team that gave Lebron some difficulty were the aging Celtics and the Pacers. For almost 10 years the East was just Lebron. One of the few things I like about today's nba is that the two conferences are somewhat balanced now.
No wonder Lebron and friends gets spanked in the finals
@@nonamewillbegiven1217he did his best against the warriors, the spurs and the mavs were a big choke from him though
@@floflo1645 best means actually winning. Nice try
10:21 they couldn't even win with Ice Cube and Tom Cruise
That Hawks team was about spacing and when they lost Kyle Korver due to cheap shot chicanery, of course they weren’t going to survive the Cavs
The 2006 spurs should've been in here
@@ahmadbadgett2176in what way were they fraudulent ? Just bc they lost doesn’t mean it was the case. They lost to the mavs in a competitive series and if manu doesn’t foul dirk. They would’ve won game 7
@@tj5180 you right that's my bad
I don't understand why they're fraudulent? Most of theses team are high winning teams for multiple years.
Ginobilli played on a broken arm and didn’t play too well. Timmy’s knee was in bad shape and was playing on that bulky Unloader brace. It wasn’t going to end well that season.
Hey, nice content
I recall the East was pretty weak for some time which is probably why Atlanta won 60 games. Apart from Bron, I’m not sure who else was in the East. The West was brutal.
I don’t like this title because frauds don’t deserve fruits of what they did because way they did it. But Atlanta was definitely the better team in 60 of their games. Feel like it kinda works as an attempt to take away from what statistically they did do just my opinion though have loved the Channel for years though(4 at least if not more)
Says it's weird to put a team that made it to the conference finals yet the video began with phoenix losing the nba finals
So the Hawks didn’t have any wing defenders that could slow down LeBron?
Thabo was injured
The annoying thing about Cleveland is how poorly constructed they were in terms of roster building and coaching
@@chrisuncleahmad666but there is “me” in Lebron James
Nope. And Sefolosha wouldn’t have been able to either.
The Cavs without Kyrie
Mavericks' 60 wins wasn't fraudulent for me, they finished 60-22 the season before,so they were capable of winning 60 games the next year or so. Plus Dirk really played well in his lone MVP season, it's just that Don Nelson knew the blueprint on how to dismantle his former team.
Lol Atlanta has to be on here!! Don’t know how they were that dominant only to be smoked by the Cavs!!
Injuries were the main reason
@@MHrswd pov: you faced peak LeBron 💀
@@MHrswd Bron just won 2 chips and make the finals 4 times before that ATL-Cavs series 😂, ain't no way they have a chance when Bron just easily smoked the East 4 years straight 💀
@@caxaltacc123Yeah can we really call Atlanta fraudulent when Lebron was beating everyone in the East for the better part of a decade.
@@ddddreed 😂😂😂
When you win 60+ games, the pressure is in you. (Extreme High Pressure) Because of high expectations from the fans.. while the challenger is very motivated and hungry. and The Challenger's mindset is always, "I Have nothing lose, but everything to gain"
once korver went out , atlanta was done
Those Hawks squad were #1 Frauds and when I realized just what a fraud team was. It makes the playoffs a little more predicable .
Sh ups and downs of basketball calling them frauds I don’t know about that,just shows that record is not everything
6 years watching Andy and finally got to meet the man behind the mask. Ty for all man quality content!
I'm glad u brought up that spurs loss in 2011, it's always bothered me how no one ever brings it up, fans always highlight all of Bron, KD and Kobe's lowlights but because Duncan and the Spurs were bland, their blandness while it stopped them from being popular also helped them be exempt from the slander that more popular players got. They flat out choked
Exactly
Choked the easiest lay up in history too game 7.
Never once was strong enough to defend any of the 5 titles.
Point is... everyone has choked... whoever sells gets it advertised the most.
It's asinine how people downplay Tim Duncan's legacy because he never won back to back. 5 rings is 5 rings no matter how they came. Duncan was well out of his prime in 2011 fyi he was 35 years old
I've never liked the use of "fraudulent" in regards to teams. It paints such a casual picture of things when any number of factors goes into what happens, and those same teams will later do better. The Spurs were in the finals 2 years later, the Hawks weren't even expected to win 60+ games, etc.
The Leastern confrenc of the 2010s
Feels like Atlanta shouldn’t be here. At the end of the day you said their only downfall was lack of a star player then said that their star player got arrested and his leg broken ☠️ I guess the cavs would’ve been fraudulent and gotten blown out too if bron’s leg snapped at a nightclub
Face reveal surprised me lol
Can't see calling the 2015 Hawks 'fraudulent.' They won 60, beyond any sane expectation, then reached ECF to show they weren't a fluke. That's over achievement, not fraud. Then they lost to a team they had no real shot at beating.
Imagine that 2015 Hawks team with Trae Young. Thats exactly the type of team Trae needs.
60 win hawks weren’t frauds they got all the way to the conference final..there wasn’t a chance in hell they were gonna beat lebron even if they won 70 games
2024 Timberwolves about to be featured in this video
They aren't on a 60 game win pace tho unless you think they are going to lose at most 1 more game the rest of the season
Season is more of a frees style game, trial and error, playoff is more of a strategy game.
Why do you say this please?
That 2015 Cavs team was so insufferable
An entitled bunch of selfish players who acted like chemistry and cohesion be damned, coaching doesn’t matter, we have LeBron we have a superstar
who needs passing who needs cohesion who needs team building who needs an identity
They acted like the Finals was their birthright without having to truly earn it through ups and downs just get a star
All they did was spend money to try and buy a championship
But who cares they have a superstar!
No chemistry no soul, callous and selfish, joyless
They represented everything wrong with basketbal. I mean David Blatt? What a joke?
But…… they have LeBron! They have a superstar that’s all that matters!
What was the point of this rant they still won a chip in 2016😂😂😂
Hawks fan in disguise⁉️
@@knowmekingsquad9898 2016 was different from 2015.
@@teddymlgdawg4652 nah just didn’t like a team that anointed themselves before actually playing a game
Since this is how you feel abour 2015 cavs how do you feel about 2016 cavs?
My criteria is usually just what is the team's record against winning teams and do they have a dependable superstar. Your record against the good teams pretty much says if you can hang with more talented squads.
And having a superstar is pretty much only for playoff games because when you have that much time to prep then you play the same team over and over usually the only thing that really wins those games is the guy that you give the ball to at the end of games and even when the team plays perfect defense he just finds a way to get it done. That is usually the difference.
You can point the teams that didn't have that like the '04 Pistons but it's so rare.
That logic is so bad