With that outta way, now it's time to state that this is not a multilanding shuttle. With 305s isp, you'll get only one landing on Kerbin (or KSRSS Earth), while using NERVA engines, about 800isp + RAPIER you'd get max 2,5x landings on K-Earth.
Even small electric props are extremely powerful on Eve. Their maximum speed is low but they can get you out of the lower atmosphere Also if you stow them away in a cargo bay they don’t produce drag during the later ascent Might even be enough for vertical take off, not sure
Hi Vaos. I made an SSTO that fits inside of a MK2 bay using a box wing at the back and canards at the front. It flies really well and gets into orbit comfortably. I haven't tried landing full yet, but it lands really nice empty at a languid 60 m/s.
I think the landing gear can still work...but... . I would probably mean having more gear than you need, because it's so much force in such a small area. Probably have to double up on the rear ones, which means extra weight. Not sure how much that would affect its performance. . Also, a lot of the problem is that the craft was too high-centered. Maybe consider having the bottom airbrakes stowed instead of deployed for touchdown, and see if you can get them deeper into the body of the craft so it doesn't ride so high up. Your CoM is so high off the ground compared to the width of your wheelbase, that even a minor bump will knock it over and send it rolling. If you can, you might want to see about getting the CoM lower down...but I don't know that that is feasible, or that it would really work. Having the CoL above the CoM can make the craft a little more stable, and having the CoT above it makes the craft want to naturally nose-up. So it might be more trouble than it's worth.
The problems to your stability at landing is your angled wings at the botom of the craft, I have a plane where the angled wing put a strange and heavy roll effect when I not perfectly horizontal to the ground. I think it can help to flat a litlle bit the wing but this craft is awesome
lol thats old. it had an upgrade ( watch linked video at 1:20 ) Before I ditched the design completely for an even smaller shuttle. 😎 th-cam.com/video/pEnH8qcgDt4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=T7rkmruHLjjtilmZ
Nice send-off lol. I don't t think you needed to remove the landing gear. I use to make small slender rocket planes that land vertical then flop over onto the wheels for traditional takeoff. I only ever used it on man and minus and also had to use a chute on kerbin. But think x15 body design. .
Yea I did my best to copy this design, and I've come to the conclusion that the craft is massively unstable in the roll aspect. Plus the lack of lift means it needs to land fast. I believe if these two issues could be fixed, it may be able to land on wheels. With extensive improvements (such as winglets that widen the craft too far to fit in the cargo bay) it can manage to land at the KSC, however nothing I can do will allow it to land on even the slightest incline/decline
I'm such a rebel. @vaos Sometimes when you play "Icon of Sin", I try to imagine what the musicians looked like while recording it. Pretty sure I'm not doing that right. The monstrous demons and flaming chrome skulls pounding on metal drums, gigantic electric guitars, and screaming minions... were actually props, animated by the muppets of Fraggle Rock and Labyrinth. Those little guys actually have quite the vocal range. Enjoy!
@@vaos3712 impressive considering rapiers aren't exactly peak efficiency in closed cycle mode and you're carrying a bunch of useless liquid fuel tanks with you. If I had tried to build a craft like this I probably would have tried aerospikes or a vector engine, since you're probably not going to do much landing or getting off of kerbin and the only other body you'd have to worry about way laythe, and laythe doesn't take all that much dv to get into orbit.
@@lb2791 When landing in a breathable atmosphere, is when the ship is fully fueled. When landing on a Moon, you empty out the liquid fuel tanks naturally. This gives you a little over 1400 delta V.
How crazy is Tylo?! Kerbal tour guide: "This shuttle can land and take off from anywhere except Eve or Tylo. In a vacuum, it has over 1400 m/s delta-V." Kerbal kid: "How much more would it need to work on Tylo?" Kerbal tour guide: "Almost three and a half times as much." Kerbal kid: "Whoaaaa!"
I think the landing gear look great but you’d need some vtol rocket engines to control your landing. This might be a great craft that lands back at KSC.
hahaha 5:23 "I almost ate that!" It almost makes me glad I don't use a clouds mod. :D On the other hand, I love the sounds Waterfall is giving the RAPIERs; that real sweet roar! I don't know why I only noticed it today. Perhaps it's the first time I watched some of these videos with my headphones on.
i tried this out. added tiny wings in each side for slightly better stability, but i kelly finding that it would blow up mid decent.. maybe i missed something i’m not sure. i also didn’t use parachutes so that could be contributing it but i managed to fully land the thing during just a normal flight.
@ it's very much possible to land on, but it has a pretty thick atmosphere, so you need a lot of heatshields and a TON of thrust as it has stronger gravity than kerbin
Really cool ship. Reinstalled this about a month or two back trying to get back in the swing of things for KSP2... How do you get the readouts left and right of the altimeter. Is this a mod or alt-F12 thingymajig.
That was hilarious. Landed the ship went out to celebrate and slipped all the way down with a face plant to top it off. That was great
Digging the airbrakes bracketing the engines. I keep trying to do that on my craft, but I've never gotten a design with them to work well.
WOWOWOWO Playing KSP for 5 years and didn't know about the fine-tuning caps-lock magic! Viva la VAOS!
With that outta way, now it's time to state that this is not a multilanding shuttle. With 305s isp, you'll get only one landing on Kerbin (or KSRSS Earth), while using NERVA engines, about 800isp + RAPIER you'd get max 2,5x landings on K-Earth.
dude, that was super cool, especially the mothership, and the way that small shuttle came out of it and returned agine. Plz I wana see more.
Even small electric props are extremely powerful on Eve. Their maximum speed is low but they can get you out of the lower atmosphere
Also if you stow them away in a cargo bay they don’t produce drag during the later ascent
Might even be enough for vertical take off, not sure
both of those ships are some of the coolest ksp designs i have ever seen
Damn, both the warp ship and the shuttle are some of your finest design work thus far, at least visually.
Now that warping scene was dope.
Grandma's vacuum cleaner was really loud while recording that scene, sorry everyone!
I really like the design of the shuttle
Wonderful upload friend, thank you for sharing love it 😍
5:20 Looks just like that shuttle landing scene from Alien: Covenant!
“Alright, here we go. 3, 2, 1, *shit* “ had me dying
New Cowboy BeBop Opening Sequence.
Hi Vaos.
I made an SSTO that fits inside of a MK2 bay using a box wing at the back and canards at the front. It flies really well and gets into orbit comfortably. I haven't tried landing full yet, but it lands really nice empty at a languid 60 m/s.
A box wing would be ideal for fitting into Mk3 cargo bays as Vaos wants. It could even be a triplane - I mean a double box wing. :)
Aww man I shoulda waited to comment to the end!!!
The saucer separation was the BEST! hahah yea!
The cinematic flutter of the B.R.A.K.E.s. Nice touch!
There used to be a mod for angled landing gear. Would be so helpful here for the expanded wheelbase.
I think the landing gear can still work...but...
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I would probably mean having more gear than you need, because it's so much force in such a small area. Probably have to double up on the rear ones, which means extra weight. Not sure how much that would affect its performance.
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Also, a lot of the problem is that the craft was too high-centered. Maybe consider having the bottom airbrakes stowed instead of deployed for touchdown, and see if you can get them deeper into the body of the craft so it doesn't ride so high up. Your CoM is so high off the ground compared to the width of your wheelbase, that even a minor bump will knock it over and send it rolling. If you can, you might want to see about getting the CoM lower down...but I don't know that that is feasible, or that it would really work. Having the CoL above the CoM can make the craft a little more stable, and having the CoT above it makes the craft want to naturally nose-up. So it might be more trouble than it's worth.
The problems to your stability at landing is your angled wings at the botom of the craft, I have a plane where the angled wing put a strange and heavy roll effect when I not perfectly horizontal to the ground. I think it can help to flat a litlle bit the wing but this craft is awesome
lol thats old. it had an upgrade ( watch linked video at 1:20 ) Before I ditched the design completely for an even smaller shuttle. 😎
th-cam.com/video/pEnH8qcgDt4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=T7rkmruHLjjtilmZ
love the big fin on the bottom! keep up that design asthetic
Oohhoooo a new video, and the ship looks really good! Looks like the resistance transports from star wars
Exactly what I needed right now! Thank you Vaos
The glitch you're talking about is the switch from orbital speed to surface speed. The two numbers are different for some reason.
i think orbital speed is different with surface speed because orbital speed adds the planet rotation speed too
Aww man thank you so much for the shout out, that coming from my favorite KSP cult leader means a lot to me
Does it upset you that he always pronounces your name wrong?
@@iami3rian394 haha no
@@manicpanda8741 it gets me here, and it gets me right here.
Your channel is growing good we are at 18k boo yeah!!!
Nice send-off lol. I don't t think you needed to remove the landing gear. I use to make small slender rocket planes that land vertical then flop over onto the wheels for traditional takeoff. I only ever used it on man and minus and also had to use a chute on kerbin. But think x15 body design. .
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Thank Vaos for sharing something really cool and inspiring.
Very cool design
ohoho interesting ships! and nice landing! 😄
Yea I did my best to copy this design, and I've come to the conclusion that the craft is massively unstable in the roll aspect. Plus the lack of lift means it needs to land fast. I believe if these two issues could be fixed, it may be able to land on wheels. With extensive improvements (such as winglets that widen the craft too far to fit in the cargo bay) it can manage to land at the KSC, however nothing I can do will allow it to land on even the slightest incline/decline
Love the Freespace reference and noises. NEED MORE! Love love love it!
Add a second landing gear in front or on the side of the others
Love it a good bit of engineering and imagination
You could rotate the landing gear outwards to make it wider but still aerodynamic
Nice
Really cool video, keep it up and #R.I.P to your save file, very unfortunate
I'm such a rebel. @vaos Sometimes when you play "Icon of Sin", I try to imagine what the musicians looked like while recording it. Pretty sure I'm not doing that right. The monstrous demons and flaming chrome skulls pounding on metal drums, gigantic electric guitars, and screaming minions... were actually props, animated by the muppets of Fraggle Rock and Labyrinth. Those little guys actually have quite the vocal range. Enjoy!
The first landing was like a scene from star wars
Very nice
I'm 100% sure there is a version of this with foldable wings that makes the landing gear work. Only question is if you are willing to search for it.
So this has enough vacuum dv to land and get off all vacuum bodies except tylo?
pretty much
@@vaos3712 impressive considering rapiers aren't exactly peak efficiency in closed cycle mode and you're carrying a bunch of useless liquid fuel tanks with you.
If I had tried to build a craft like this I probably would have tried aerospikes or a vector engine, since you're probably not going to do much landing or getting off of kerbin and the only other body you'd have to worry about way laythe, and laythe doesn't take all that much dv to get into orbit.
@@lb2791 When landing in a breathable atmosphere, is when the ship is fully fueled. When landing on a Moon, you empty out the liquid fuel tanks naturally. This gives you a little over 1400 delta V.
How crazy is Tylo?!
Kerbal tour guide: "This shuttle can land and take off from anywhere except Eve or Tylo. In a vacuum, it has over 1400 m/s delta-V."
Kerbal kid: "How much more would it need to work on Tylo?"
Kerbal tour guide: "Almost three and a half times as much."
Kerbal kid: "Whoaaaa!"
That’s a really nice looking shuttle, even without wheels ;) What mod is changing you trajectory color in map mode?
description 😎
I think the landing gear look great but you’d need some vtol rocket engines to control your landing.
This might be a great craft that lands back at KSC.
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@@vaos3712 vtol rocket Oooooo 🤤
At certain angles, the trailing airbrakes remind me of the atmospheric Cobras from Babylon 5.
4:30 I wonder if this is freaking out because the velocity meter is switching from Orbit to Surface?
I didn't realize Waterfall replaced engine sounds too
The pain, I feel you
Cool
hahaha 5:23 "I almost ate that!" It almost makes me glad I don't use a clouds mod. :D On the other hand, I love the sounds Waterfall is giving the RAPIERs; that real sweet roar! I don't know why I only noticed it today. Perhaps it's the first time I watched some of these videos with my headphones on.
That is some epic music right there.
Dod you try moving the landing gear fully to the rear? Makes it hard to take off, but easier to land high aoa aircraft.
Hmmmmm yes the flying brick
solution to all ssto landing struggles:
parachutes
kinda reminds me of the one in interstellar
What about putting landing gear on pistons? That look with gear was just too good to lose
pistons can be really buggy
TIME TO GIVE LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVEEEEEEEEEEEEE
space cult
Yea it's Tylo
We still here in 2024!!!! Lets goooooooo!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Will you do an actual video about that kraken drive ship?
maybe
Ok but a shuttle ssto is op
I enjoy putting landing gear on a rack I just dump at takeoff
Is there a build walkthrough on that mothership? So good.
@vaos, as Im on console I'm struggling to rebuild this. Can you share a build run thru? Pretty please 😅
Is there a build video for the shuttle?
LEGEND 🔥🔥🔥
i tried this out. added tiny wings in each side for slightly better stability, but i kelly finding that it would blow up mid decent.. maybe i missed something i’m not sure. i also didn’t use parachutes so that could be contributing it but i managed to fully land the thing during just a normal flight.
Disable the steering on all wheels next time ok?
That SHIT sound effect tho
Tail landers are based
Now make a ufo by kraken drives?
You mean flying racer
WHERE'S THAT STAR TREK BLINK IN THE DISTANCE
the blinker light broke 😁
@@vaos3712 oh ok
Eve is gaseous, I get that you can't land on it, but what's the other moon made of that you can't land?
tylo. it has similar gravity to kerbin but without any atmosphere, so it's way worse
Eve is a terrestrial (kerbestrial?) planet
@@mariasirona1622 Wait wasn't it gaseous? Then why people can't land on it?
@ actually it's that Eve is really impossible to get off of
@ it's very much possible to land on, but it has a pretty thick atmosphere, so you need a lot of heatshields and a TON of thrust as it has stronger gravity than kerbin
What mod adds the nice effect for the lights??
Waterfall
Anybody know what the stream was called so I can watch it?
Published 10 minutes ago? You mean I'm on time for once?!?!? ...I should stop looking at TH-cam and get back to my day job. :,(
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Oh my god THOSE RAPIER PLUMES
Tell us your graphics modlist, kind sir!
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Really cool ship. Reinstalled this about a month or two back trying to get back in the swing of things for KSP2... How do you get the readouts left and right of the altimeter. Is this a mod or alt-F12 thingymajig.
Mods are in the description below. 😎
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