I'm more of a neil peart/dave weckl/joe morrello/dom famularo inspired, type of drummer. Nowhere NEAR the consistant, physically demanding intensity that speed/death metal requires. Totally different ballgame! I have to say, though, call it "cheating," if you will, but, it's still incredibly fast, and impressive! At that speed, and needing to be consistent for most or the whole song, triggers are fine. Buzzrolling with the snare for jazz parts, is "cheating," too, but is still used ALOT. It's what fits the structure of the song. Even Thomas Lang and Virgil Donate, as fast and solid as they are, couldn't keep up with this guy, among others. It's top notch, in terms of consistant speed, while maintaining the constant speed and intensity with the hands, on TOP of it! It's music, talent, expression, and in THIS case, extreme release! Why be so critical! The fuck is wrong with people?!?!?
I used to think so...until I tried myself and realized the demanding, spot on technique it required to get a clear sound @ 250+ bpm. For the consistent sound that extreme metal requires, you gotta have triggers. You are literally still playing...lol...basically the same as sample replacement in a studio setting.
Seriously. This is the only video that breaks down the technique in a simple way. I'm a drummer of 23 years and just really starting to get into this technique after having too many "bad feet" days lately. Not sure if you have it, But do you have any videos of exercises you do for them to help with speed and switching between single and double? Or just do sixteens of each? Keep up the great videos.
Man... I can't possibly convey the gratitude I have for your outstanding ability you have to explain this elusive technique. I will not give up until I have this down!!!!
Thanks man. Subbed. I been stuck on an electric kit for years now cuz kids and apartment... But my biggest gripe is my cheapo pedals. Drum gear is just sooo expensive now a days lol
I can't believe people are still complaining about drum triggers holy shit lol. I started drumming 10 years ago and I remember it being dumb back then aswell.
After nearly 35 years drumming, with many of those professionally, I have never needed to play doubles on two bass drums but I have always admired the skill and sound. So scouring on here I came across your video and I tried your techniques (as I am always wanting to learn more and new skills) and after a few weeks hey presto, got it. Great video and instruction. Many thanks and keep the videos coming.
Incredible! Absolutely killing those double bass pedals. I've never taken DBP to seriously even though it's one of the greatest things about drumset. Only used it for Djent stuff.....But know I feel really inspired to practice this stuff. Thanks for the video really helpful!
brother im having problem with the trigger hammer of the right side! when the beater returns back and has a big movement the hammer hits the aluminum plate over the trigger and the spring and breaks..i do big motions even at hight speeds had you ever had this problem
Hey there! Do you think that 290 bpm is possible with a loose bass drum skin? I have one of those unadjustable kd-9 vdrum things and I feel like getting past 240 bpm is impossible. I have my springs maxxed out and my beaters at 45 degrees but I feel like the rebound is just too small. I also like the lowest vdl because with the highest vdl my second stroke just dissapears for some reason
I have pearl eliminator demon drive. They’re longboard direct drive, I just got them, I had tama speedcobra before. I can do heel toe with heel on the board, but I’m having difficulty getting the second stroke with my heel off the board. Do you think the way the board is set on the demon drive could hinder doing double strokes like that?
I'm pretty sure I'm the only guy doing a true double stroke w ball of foot twice. Everyone uses a completely different contact surface so none of the variations are really doubles are they? If you relate it to sticks Its two singles; one tip one shaft...
Hey, Jeff Fitzgerald. what about kick drum batter head tension and deadening for optimal rebound ? I just ordered some direct drive longboard and some gen 3 on triggers and I'm about to start learning this technique. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time in advance .
I see u are using tm-2 module, can u tell which seettings u prefer ? Have problem with it, because when Im using heel toe all double stroke hits perfectly, but on singles i got double strokes very often. On higher retringcancel its opposite situation. Singles hits perfectly, but triggers dont get heel toe doubles...
Wow bro you had INFINITE tries to get a good video and you still went with these shit tom fill ins? Must have been really hard for you if this is the take you kept, something must have been really sloppy in every take if this is the one you went with 😂😂😂😂
Would it work just as well to start with the toes and drop my leg after (basically what you do but backwards)? If not, why so? Ive been doing single pedal doubles that way for so long, and its just a habit now
Does it matter if you have lower end direct drive pedals? I have millennium, the strike double bass, direct drive pedals and was wondering if its possible to be fast with them
Do you use a bit of hip flexors for the first hit? This is something i need to know because if not , i have to break that habbit early than having to unlearn later. Please reply, thanks
This is the only tutorial I've seen on this technique that actually makes sense Every other tutorial I've seen is stretched out over 15 minutes but all they really say is "yeah so do a rocking motion with you heel and toe and then play over 200 bpm baby"
Been sleeping on watching this till now. My bad! Great explanation though dude! I’d love to know more about your pedal settings too. Mostly on spring tension. Yours seem fairly tight. Am I right?
Thanks 🙏 and yeah, my pedals are anywhere from 70-80% tight. The tighter the springs, the harder the initial stroke, but makes the second easier cuz of how hard the beater returns to the neutral state.
First off, Thank you for this video it was so much more helpful to me than any of the other videos I just have a few questions 1: what do you recommend for developing double-kick single stroke technique for beginners? 2: Could you do a video with chain driven, regular length footboards?
Jeff thanks, this is one of the better explanations of this technique I've seen. I'm new to using doubles this way, but my right foot naturally does a similar motion primarily when playing up tempo syncopated beats on single bass. I've used an exercise for doubles on the hands where you accent the second note to compensate for it being quieter. I'm wondering if you think this might translate to the feet. I'm not into using triggers, mostly for practical reasons. I don't necessarily feel triggers are cheating, I sometimes just don't like the sound of no dynamic range.
Triggers are cheating!??? I can remember when Iron Cobra pedals came out and everyone called them a cheat cause of their adjustability. Look if you want to dig a hole with a shovel be my guest, I'll use the excavator.
Great Demonstration The Reason I called them toe down doubles is the heel pushing down and the Toes stay on the footboard And as for faster tempos the heels make doubles
I was trying to do heel toe, using my heel and my toe, I guess that was my issue with precision and consistency! Drummers should just call it doubles so there's less confusion
How necessary are longboards to really get this to fly? I have an old pair of Axis AO's, the first model they ever made, back from the middle 90'ies, so not longboards.
Byron Brimstone most important thing is that they are direct drive. My technique lately has scooted forward quite a bit on the pedal, but longboards are probably still better. Certainly still doable I would think on shorter boards, but probably not as easy.
I got the technique down with my right foot just fine, but I'm having a lot of trouble with my left. If I don't fast fall the 2nd stroke correctly, I often miss my l cancel and end up getting CC grabbed. Any advice?
This is, by far, the best explanation video I've seen. I'm really fast with singles but struggle to get that motion down for the doubles. I think this will help alot.
😳 Sick intro! Subscribed and can't wait to practice what you preach (Testament!) I'm a double kicker from way back & want to get more into the mechanics of drums! Thanks for this awesome video, brother 😎
What gets left out of 98% of these type of videos is that it takes a long time to develop the technique to where it looks this effortless. Thus, when someone is struggling after a few weeks, they get frustrated. A lot of this type of drumming involves smaller muscles. It takes real time to develop these muscles the strength & stamina to hack these tempos and spring tensions. It just does. Being patient is one of the keys.
Found this video a few days ago, been working on the technique each day and I got the basic motion into my feet today! Lots of work to do still but thank you so much for breaking it down and helping me understand the mechanics of it better. you rule!
very good video, thank you. Not sure if i’ll need this technique but i definitely appreciated the throne placement, i think i might’ve been sitting to close too.
Thanks for that video! Got both feet down with the general mechanics so far but struggle to put them both together :-/ So, playing the mechanics loosely with my right foot OR left foot, no problem, but playing 16th - it's just chaos. Any advice here?
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Triggers is cheating.
Tony Powell Well you got me there pal.
@@chiefjeef9267 😂
I'm more of a neil peart/dave weckl/joe morrello/dom famularo inspired, type of drummer. Nowhere NEAR the consistant, physically demanding intensity that speed/death metal requires. Totally different ballgame! I have to say, though, call it "cheating," if you will, but, it's still incredibly fast, and impressive! At that speed, and needing to be consistent for most or the whole song, triggers are fine. Buzzrolling with the snare for jazz parts, is "cheating," too, but is still used ALOT. It's what fits the structure of the song. Even Thomas Lang and Virgil Donate, as fast and solid as they are, couldn't keep up with this guy, among others. It's top notch, in terms of consistant speed, while maintaining the constant speed and intensity with the hands, on TOP of it! It's music, talent, expression, and in THIS case, extreme release! Why be so critical! The fuck is wrong with people?!?!?
I used to think so...until I tried myself and realized the demanding, spot on technique it required to get a clear sound @ 250+ bpm. For the consistent sound that extreme metal requires, you gotta have triggers. You are literally still playing...lol...basically the same as sample replacement in a studio setting.
No its not. Still have to learn the technique
This is the best explanation of the "heal toe" technique I have seen. Thanks buddy
Gun Drummer king
But you have not seen the better ones
"heal toe" sounds more like the area of expertise of a foot doctor
Ayo wassup gun drummer
Perfect for toe injuries!
Holy crap, thanks for 1,000 views guys. Y'all are amazing. Keep up the grind lads 💪
Seriously. This is the only video that breaks down the technique in a simple way.
I'm a drummer of 23 years and just really starting to get into this technique after having too many "bad feet" days lately. Not sure if you have it, But do you have any videos of exercises you do for them to help with speed and switching between single and double? Or just do sixteens of each?
Keep up the great videos.
Man... I can't possibly convey the gratitude I have for your outstanding ability you have to explain this elusive technique. I will not give up until I have this down!!!!
Excellent video and explanation, well done my friend, well done!
Thanks man. Subbed. I been stuck on an electric kit for years now cuz kids and apartment... But my biggest gripe is my cheapo pedals. Drum gear is just sooo expensive now a days lol
I can't believe people are still complaining about drum triggers holy shit lol.
I started drumming 10 years ago and I remember it being dumb back then aswell.
Awesome video Jeffrey. Really want to learn this technique. Thank you!
I wish I had you as a drummer. Drummers like you are the holy grail for a guitarists.
After nearly 35 years drumming, with many of those professionally, I have never needed to play doubles on two bass drums but I have always admired the skill and sound. So scouring on here I came across your video and I tried your techniques (as I am always wanting to learn more and new skills) and after a few weeks hey presto, got it. Great video and instruction. Many thanks and keep the videos coming.
heck yeah
Incredible! Absolutely killing those double bass pedals. I've never taken DBP to seriously even though it's one of the greatest things about drumset. Only used it for Djent stuff.....But know I feel really inspired to practice this stuff. Thanks for the video really helpful!
not everyone’s double strokes sound like this - 💪🏻Thomas Lang
Yeah Thomas is the best man. Maybe one day I’ll be as talented as his left pinky 😔
This is the best tutorial on this by far
Dig the intro and good explanations. You should make more of these my dude.
Really good video, thanks! You broke it down much better then other videos I have watched.
Great video man. Super helpful. For sure one of the better ones I’ve seen. Keep up the good work :)
brother im having problem with the trigger hammer of the right side! when the beater returns back and has a big movement the hammer hits the aluminum plate over the trigger and the spring and breaks..i do big motions even at hight speeds had you ever had this problem
are you using axis triggers? if you are, dont. they dont work well at all for double strokes. use foot blasters. amazing triggers.
@@chiefjeef9267 i've seen them i have some months to gother some money so i can buy them..seen "on trigger" to looks nice
Hey there! Do you think that 290 bpm is possible with a loose bass drum skin? I have one of those unadjustable kd-9 vdrum things and I feel like getting past 240 bpm is impossible. I have my springs maxxed out and my beaters at 45 degrees but I feel like the rebound is just too small. I also like the lowest vdl because with the highest vdl my second stroke just dissapears for some reason
I have pearl eliminator demon drive. They’re longboard direct drive, I just got them, I had tama speedcobra before. I can do heel toe with heel on the board, but I’m having difficulty getting the second stroke with my heel off the board. Do you think the way the board is set on the demon drive could hinder doing double strokes like that?
I'm pretty sure I'm the only guy doing a true double stroke w ball of foot twice. Everyone uses a completely different contact surface so none of the variations are really doubles are they? If you relate it to sticks Its two singles; one tip one shaft...
Great video, awesome technique explanation, can I ask, for triplets would you be best playing RRL or RLR
Thanks :)
Very good video, thank you.
Hey, Jeff Fitzgerald. what about kick drum batter head tension and deadening for optimal rebound ? I just ordered some direct drive longboard and some gen 3 on triggers and I'm about to start learning this technique. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time in advance .
My right foot works pretty well but my problem is getting the left foot to work. Do you have any advice specifically for the left foot? Thanks :)
Do hi hat exercises
PDP X7!
I see u are using tm-2 module, can u tell which seettings u prefer ? Have problem with it, because when Im using heel toe all double stroke hits perfectly, but on singles i got double strokes very often. On higher retringcancel its opposite situation. Singles hits perfectly, but triggers dont get heel toe doubles...
Great explanation! I will share this Video a lot! That's for sure!
Wow bro you had INFINITE tries to get a good video and you still went with these shit tom fill ins? Must have been really hard for you if this is the take you kept, something must have been really sloppy in every take if this is the one you went with 😂😂😂😂
Would it work just as well to start with the toes and drop my leg after (basically what you do but backwards)? If not, why so? Ive been doing single pedal doubles that way for so long, and its just a habit now
I have Tama Iron Cobra (P900's). Should I be able to do this on them, or will I need pedals like yours?
Great vid Jeffery! Love it! Thanks so much!
What the fuck? Did I freak out when he said “hey James” - MY NAME IS JAMES!!!
Great heel toe explainer. Kudos. Btw what are those amazing pedals? 👏🇦🇺✌️
Maybe a dumb question, but if you move yourself back, in theory anyway, don't you risk moving too far from your drums?
great video man... can i ask you more information about your trigger module? I saw you have roland TD2
Thank you this was very helpful (for a heel up leg player).... subscribed!!
Does it matter if you have lower end direct drive pedals? I have millennium, the strike double bass, direct drive pedals and was wondering if its possible to be fast with them
Do you use a bit of hip flexors for the first hit? This is something i need to know because if not , i have to break that habbit early than having to unlearn later. Please reply, thanks
This is the only tutorial I've seen on this technique that actually makes sense Every other tutorial I've seen is stretched out over 15 minutes but all they really say is "yeah so do a rocking motion with you heel and toe and then play over 200 bpm baby"
incredible and very informative video. I will put this in to practice when I get to my kit. Thank you.
what double bass pedal would you recommend getting?
Thank you for bravely speaking out about this topic
so you need to sit the throne the low as posible? i'm asking because you didn't talk about that and i'm very interested!!
Great video, thanks! Do you need to change the foot posture to make it work on a regular pedal without long board ?
You made the golden video! I can’t put to words my gratitude, thank you so much!
Brilliant presentation bud. Got a sub for sure. keep it up \m/
Been sleeping on watching this till now. My bad! Great explanation though dude! I’d love to know more about your pedal settings too. Mostly on spring tension. Yours seem fairly tight. Am I right?
Thanks 🙏 and yeah, my pedals are anywhere from 70-80% tight. The tighter the springs, the harder the initial stroke, but makes the second easier cuz of how hard the beater returns to the neutral state.
Triggers are not cheating, if anything you have to be a more accurate drummer as the trigger picks up every hit.
First off, Thank you for this video it was so much more helpful to me than any of the other videos
I just have a few questions
1: what do you recommend for developing double-kick single stroke technique for beginners?
2: Could you do a video with chain driven, regular length footboards?
Jeff thanks, this is one of the better explanations of this technique I've seen. I'm new to using doubles this way, but my right foot naturally does a similar motion primarily when playing up tempo syncopated beats on single bass. I've used an exercise for doubles on the hands where you accent the second note to compensate for it being quieter. I'm wondering if you think this might translate to the feet. I'm not into using triggers, mostly for practical reasons. I don't necessarily feel triggers are cheating, I sometimes just don't like the sound of no dynamic range.
Triggers are cheating!??? I can remember when Iron Cobra pedals came out and everyone called them a cheat cause of their adjustability. Look if you want to dig a hole with a shovel be my guest, I'll use the excavator.
One key fact you haven't mentioned. Is to have a pedal without a heel on it. To use the arch of the foot .
HEAL TOE TECHNIQUE IS THE BEST ITS WHAT ARON KITCHER USED MANY DOESNT KNOW ABOUT THIS TECHNIQUE THATS WHY THEYRE SAYING AARON IS FAKE
Great Demonstration
The Reason I called them toe down doubles is the heel pushing down and the Toes stay on the footboard
And as for faster tempos the heels make doubles
Thank you for your help. I'll do my best!😀
Thank you very much for this video.
is it possible to do this with normal iron cobra double pedal?
I was trying to do heel toe, using my heel and my toe, I guess that was my issue with precision and consistency! Drummers should just call it doubles so there's less confusion
the first video EVER on double kick that properly explained it for me! now i can finally start doing this! thanks
How necessary are longboards to really get this to fly? I have an old pair of Axis AO's, the first model they ever made, back from the middle 90'ies, so not longboards.
Byron Brimstone most important thing is that they are direct drive. My technique lately has scooted forward quite a bit on the pedal, but longboards are probably still better. Certainly still doable I would think on shorter boards, but probably not as easy.
Is it possible to do this technique with short board pedals?
I got the technique down with my right foot just fine, but I'm having a lot of trouble with my left. If I don't fast fall the 2nd stroke correctly, I often miss my l cancel and end up getting CC grabbed. Any advice?
psmith15243 you have no power here
This is so great. I was literally scouring the internet for a few weeks now looking for these answers. Thanks for the video!
Great explanation. I love it and will try
Great video. I'm always interested to see other peoples' techniques...
Nahh Iron cobra’s all the way man, great video!!
THANKS MY FRIEND , helps me a lot
Love the video man, it really helped me out. I can not wait till the day I get those Axis double peddle
Holy crap, why have I only found this video now?! Dude this is the clearest explanation I've seen so far. Keen for that pedal settings video!
Jake Shaw it's coming, along with a trigger tutorial vid 😊
Your drill (arch first drill then toes drill) helped me get the timing/ feel for it. Thanks alot!
Thanks man this is one of the best explained and shown videos I've seen on this technique
So, are you pressing pretty hard with your thighs/hip flexors or not as much?
I think I’m coming down stomping too hard and it’s throwing me off.
What can I do if the pedal feel sluggish?
So ... what happens if I cant get my pedal to rebound after the arch to be able to have the beater open for my toe hit?
Heather Gerfen you need to either increase your spring tension, or tighten your bass drum head. It’s not going to come back very far.
Im not a metal drummer but i need this lesson to get ''smells like teen spirit'' finally solid! thanks for this video! very well done!
Gekke Henkie wat
This is, by far, the best explanation video I've seen. I'm really fast with singles but struggle to get that motion down for the doubles. I think this will help alot.
Stix&Stoned stop, you’re guna make me blush
Wow! Thank you for the tutorial. Very helpful!
How long did it take from week 1 to learn this?
I've been trying this for a whole year and still can't do this. What you recommend?
Another year?
great instructional, thanks
Bro make more videos!!!!
Thil really good because is good sound and vdeo
Great tutorial! Thanks
Great explanation, thanks
Nice thank you.
Great video. Instantly subbed.
Great explanation, thank you!
This video saved my life!
😳 Sick intro! Subscribed and can't wait
to practice what you preach (Testament!)
I'm a double kicker from way back & want
to get more into the mechanics of drums!
Thanks for this awesome video, brother 😎
Solid video dude, I need to master this. The bar is set so high for modern metal drummers these days.
amen brother
anyone can say who invented this technique or who was one of the first to start playing this way. just interesting
John Longstreth?
I’m not very keen on learning this technique, but your video seems to explain it quite well! Will share it with my friends who want to learn heel toe.
thanks my guy
Impressive that you have developed that kind of foot speed and you make it look effortless.
What gets left out of 98% of these type of videos is that it takes a long time to develop the technique to where it looks this effortless. Thus, when someone is struggling after a few weeks, they get frustrated. A lot of this type of drumming involves smaller muscles. It takes real time to develop these muscles the strength & stamina to hack these tempos and spring tensions. It just does. Being patient is one of the keys.
Great video! Very well done! Thanks!
Generally? I can barely hear the second stroke!
Found this video a few days ago, been working on the technique each day and I got the basic motion into my feet today! Lots of work to do still but thank you so much for breaking it down and helping me understand the mechanics of it better. you rule!
Hey bro that is axis x or a?
very good video, thank you. Not sure if i’ll need this technique but i definitely appreciated the throne placement, i think i might’ve been sitting to close too.
Thanks for that video! Got both feet down with the general mechanics so far but struggle to put them both together :-/ So, playing the mechanics loosely with my right foot OR left foot, no problem, but playing 16th - it's just chaos. Any advice here?