"She needs £150,000. But her sweeping statements about the Spanish, have put Doug on the edge." is hilarious out of context. It sounds like something from a parody of Dragons Den.
@@andrewgill2496Just because you're insecure and want to blame the Spanish provides NO CREDITABILTY. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHO A GROUP OF PEOPLE ARE BASED ON THE COLOUR OF THEIR SKIN. You disgust me
Bound Biographies sounds like one of those companies that prays on elderly people door to door, where they won't leave their house without a deal, they're basically cowboy builders but with books
@@peterclarke7240 yeh I got that vibe straight away, really sleezy and money grubbing. When Deborah was talking he looked like he was bored and just wanted her to shut up nd pay him, especially with that "hmm hmm hmm", you know he is like that with elder people, doesn't hear a word they say.
@@chrismcadam8413 may sound petty but not correcting peoples spelling has led to days like these where kids can't spell simple words. I mean I know a 24 year old that couldn't spell "tomorrow", they either had to put "2moz" or "tomoz".
Dude with the book presentation really said that his job is the best because he gets to eat people's biscuits and drink they're tea....that alone made me think what a weasel.
"Is anyone here Spanish?" *me, a Spanish Brit* "Uh Oh" Yeah it's probably not smart to 1) insult the Spanish and 2) ask if anyone's Spanish, making it clear you're about to say something offensive to the Spanish Like if I were one of the Dragons, I'd probably go along with it, honing in on the "Spanish are lazy" stereotype just to reveal at the end and declare myself out for that
That book guy looks like the slimiest kind of salesman. He said "that is why we only pick one out of four" yeah, I bet you do, you choose the most vulnerable of the bunch and bilk them for all they are worth. I wonder how many times he has drug the process out for years? I wonder how many of those people that came to his wedding were still paying him 200 a day to be their friend? How many were under 75? I bet the answers wouldn't be very surprising.
i feel she leant too far on the charitable aspect of the pitch and everyone including her, forgot that it actually was a good product that made yoga mats more grippy
I am sick and tires of seeing these "new age" products and services being launched charging consumers ridiculously high premium prices. The greed of the owners really restricts access to many consumers. The great thing about a boomerang is that it returns. The yoga mat woman failed her business due to her greed. Good.
@@andrewboxall2945 I feel like a lot of people forget that having a useful product is just one of the elements that determine if they invest. A lot of times they will be forgiving of a lack of formal business education but someone who can't do simple mental arithmetic and wants to run a half for-profit business/half charity is a huge red flag.
wonder when was that, the idea of the product seem good (except for the fact that cork is rare product and and even wine producer are trying to use something more accesible) Quickly looking online i see there is now many seller of cork mat. Failed to patent it? or was it already not a original idea at the time of the pitch?
He's obviously going for older people who want to have their stories written. They might appreciate the friendly ear until they get the bill; 300 £ per meeting?
If they just removed the multiple meetings and had it only be an initial meeting, a checkup to sort out grievances and a final meeting to present the books, scheduled when the client wants it, so that they have a fixed cost, it would indeed be a wonderful thing.
Uh I think he only offered half because he knew the others wouldn't go in on it giving him a valid reason to say no to a countryman. He wanted to save face.
Of fighting human trafficking in India by encouraging cheap labour and exploitation of Uighur in China ? Ethical companies shouldn't be contradictory and be very very careful how they make money.
@@jamesrossbroadfoot6327 I have actually tbf. Their riot police do seem like bastards that will do tourists at the drop of a hat for being too drunk or whatever 😂 I'm from Ireland though and like 99.9% of Spanish tourists I've ever met here are extremely polite.
So like i understands the reasons for this (from like the business perspective and the scalability and so on), but theres still somthing just a bit funny to me about the lottery prize drawing company getting 3 offers and the charity yoga mats got a single half offer that fell through in a compilation specifically about morals 😅 (Also jenny finally makes an offer and she gets rejected 😂)
Lol that's like A segment on ESPN where Urban Meyer talked about keys to an organization's success and it was like trustworthiness, reliability, honesty 🤣🤣🤣
To be fair, it did come out that the girl did repeatedly show a fake ID that claimed she was 17 and admitted it was consensual. The charges were dropped against him later.
Yep. Deborah was right. It seems like the real money is made from those daily visits where elderly people I’m sure just love someone to talk to about their life who will happily listen. This man seems like the perfect companion for them.
@@User84030 - And I bet they charge the daily rate for writing too, and if they do, I bet there's no minimum writing time either. There should be a maximum dollar amount that you can pay, but they don't want that.
Laura (the cork yoga mat girl) needed to stand up to Peter. What Peter and Jenny didn't seem to understand, is that the social aspect was actually part of the business. It's why certain people purchased from them. Now, she could have started out by giving less, to make sure the company stays safe, but other than that, I don't think she's confused at all. However, she should have stood up for herself to Peter. Not just nodded and listened.
46:30 *WHAT PETER REALLY MEANT* Peter: "Alex, I'm Peter. I'm sitting here and I'm absolutely baffled. I think it's, firstly, one of the worst pitches I've seen today" Alex: "Sorry" Peter: "You've mentioned that you got a business brain. I've yet to see any inclination that you actually have a brain at all" Alex: 👁 👄 👁
Peter is hilarious "who dare you let people win a prize in life thats wrong, only im allowed to win" "you making money out of helping people terrible you! i just make money out of people by not helping them this is the right way!" 🤦♂🤣
The Bound Biographies thing is definitely a business that’s right on the edge, where it COULD be done ethically, but in practice it lends itself really well to underhanded, semi-scammy tactics. It reminds me of an MLM / “network marketing” business, where success depends largely on taking advantage of more vulnerable people. The crazy thing is, however, that the dragons rightly pointed all of this out on this episode… but then in a later season a guy came in pitching the same thing, and somehow got multiple offers and a deal. The only difference was that he presented it more smoothly, and the dragons considered him more “credible” (which often seems like the dragons’ code word for “we can tell you come from upper class stock, like us, so we’re willing to trust you with our money, and we won’t have to deal with some _low-born_ ruffian” haha)
I get very skeptical of Charitable orgs. They often abuse the donations in the name of "business expense". While in University there was this NGO for disabled people that held a seminar for Software engineers raising awareness for accessibility in digital products. Our whole CS department was invited to take it. We went there and had the time of my life. Just the food that they served there was the most expensive meal I have ever eaten. The addresses in the seminar were lackluster feel good stuff. I am technically considered disabled due to an uncorrectable vision problem which even affects my career.
It's a good point, I am often skeptical too however I do also "well where was that money going anyway?", ie has that wealth been intercepted and then redistributed to people who are either suffering in society, or are helping those that do. If that is the case, I still think it's a noble way to conduct business.
Quite frankly, I think every charity should have to show the income of all their management. Salaries, bonuses, expenses, etc.. They should also have to show how much of a donation actually makes it to the people they're donating to.
Do not let those thieving Organizations prevent you from helping. A little research will easily clear these doubts, some charities are very transparent, they have no paid administration and they are struggling. compassion does pay bills.
@@wvrjl I mean we are all legally obliged annually to declare our income and expenditure and each and every member of staff that earns over £60,000, but you go off.
These compilations are good because they show the utter inconsistency of the Dragon's investment thesis. Cork Yogis - which does no innate good for anyone - shouldn't be giving money to charity, but the Rempods - who do good for people through their service - should be doing more. Should a business give money to charity, should they prioritize returns to investors first? Who knows? Certainly not Peter.
This is actually what I appreciate about this show. You definitely have a good point, but it also shows that, for all the expertise and experience each dragon has, each deal is a case-by-case basis. And for all the conviction they have, they can be wrong at times. Each proposed product is a deal being worked out by real people with real interests and real opinions. They're not robots, and that actually makes them all the more daunting in their den.
Déborah was so right to condemn the family book man. £3k for a book but £300 per day for him to eat biscuits and drink tea while creating a false sense of being a friend. So a £3k book can rise to £6k after 10 meeting.
i think the issue is that one is a product that happens to send money to charity while the other is an idea that could help a mental issue. not exactly the same thing but if someone came up with a cure for an illness and said "I will make millions on this" they maybe could (depending what country they live in) , but there would be a lot of controversy around it. Its one of those things that could make a ton of money since the elderly well- get sick a lot. and there's a ton of them. there's ways to make money off of selling medical related things, but i can get why an investor with a public image would be kinda offput by it. there's a lot of social pressure on ideas like that since almost everyone can relate to older people around them being sickly and paying for quite a few medications/treatments. Peter wanting some of it to go to charity is a way to save face a bit i think.
There is one big struggle in heath care about the people who help taking money. The bottom line is that the people working deserve a wage so that they can live. You can love helping people, but still need to make a living. Its reasonable, not unethical. RIP Hilary. You will be missed. God bless you and all your family and friends.
That's an issue a lot of major charities face ... ... on the one hand, the whole point of a charity is to support a particular cause, or need; but, in order to run that charity, you need an Executive Board, especially a CEO, whom is capable, and able, to run an organisation with that degree/level of finance ... Except those don't come cheap ... even when running a non profit ...
@@nigelft - No, between salaries, bonuses, and benefits (especially expense accounts), they make FAR too much! WAY too much! I strongly think that charities should have to be completely transparent, listing how much all of their management gets in salaries, bonuses, and benefits. They should also have to list the percentage of charitable donations actually makes it to the intended recipient. I think you'd be surprised.
Deborah doesn't seem to take into account inflation when she talks about her gambling business days, nor the fact that people back then could be no less addicted. She made her money from it and now preaches to others.
Thats not the point here. This is a high stakes gambling business. Yes, they have a skill based entry level questionnaire but anyone can get passed that. That was just created to keep the gambling regulators happy.
I was thinking the same thing. When was she part of this gambling board?? That being said, I don't agree with the subscription. I think that's designed with the intent of getting access to people's money who don't really have the money for that sort of thing. And their skill testing question, chances are its math, and everybody has a calculator.
I totally agree with both Peter and debs. I feel where Peter is coming from. People so much so can get addicted to any kind of lottery. Because of the prize involved. I.e house lottery.
The first guy I kinda felt like they were telling him it's not a valid business when hes sitting at around 200k profit a year and obviously does well from it. His business wouldve been so much more appealing if the day rate was say 150. That round 300 just makes it look like what it probably is which is to swindle old people thinking itll be a 4 grand bill and ending up w what is more likely around 7
I'm guessing it's more than that. Also, is that day rate also used for writing? If it is, is there a minimum amount of time they have to spend on it to get the day rate, or would 30 minutes of writing mean the customer still has to pay the day rate??
Jesus. In my understanding, it costs around $3000 to self publish a proper novel. That can be sold to other people. $3000 for a book just for you? No way.
@@rossgriffin5703 I enjoy lumping them together occasionally on a whim just to see if I can evoke this kind of reply from non English Brits. Ever amusing. But in truth, I've seen shows from all over Britain do the same thing. Makes me chuckle.
Yep. Just seemed like someone trying to part grannies from their savings. The fact he invited them to his wedding and accepted gifts for his kids off them made me feel ill. Revolting little man.
@@ieuanyin - Just like Deborah said. In a short time, people are dependant on them for friendship. Now, with most people, you might say buyer beware, but how many older people do they prey on? They make it sound like it's not going to be very expensive, but then they charge this daily rate. If this daily rate includes writing, which I bet money that it does, there's no way for you to even keep track of that daily rate. There's clearly no maximum that can be charged, and there doesn't even appear to be a minimum amount of writing that applies to getting the daily rate. If a person writes for 30 minutes, do they charge the $300 daily rate? I bet they do. There, quite obviously, should be a maximum fee charged. Sure, people can quit at anytime, but they've already paid the upfront fee that was something like $4,000. They're going to just lose that with nothing to gain from it?
"its not gambling" pal you put money in and you have a chance to get nothing back or get a win, thats what i call gambling mate, Elite competitions is dodgy
That final pitch was horrendous. She must be an absolute nightmare to work with. I hate these types of people that have an attitude problem. If she can talk like this to investors, I can only imagine how she talks to people around her.
@@bombshellonthegoI wonder why her suppliers were inconsistent. I mean, unless they were Spanish, then I totally get it. Horrible woman. No wonder her 8 businesses went down the drain, nobody can work with her.
Alex Hall's (The Big O) comments about the Spanish and her general attitude problem make a lot more sense when you realise that she's Jeremy Clarkson's ex-wife. Birds of a feather flock together...
55:44 Can't imagine that would work. My grandma hat dementia - quite severly. She startet seeing things which were not there. Sitting on a couch in her living room but thinking, she was in the restroom of her workplace from 20 years ago. And at the very end she couldn't even recognise her son's face - which really hurt my father. So i doubt creating a familiar or nostaligic environment will do much to help people who're suffering from dementia - at best it is a distraction. Good intention but whough but not a solid investment in my mind.
Private book binding is a great idea, but they're charging 3000 pounds + 300 pounds per day for one book!? I know a few book shops that offer exactly this, and it's usually around 1000 pounds, give or take depending on how embellished you want the leather cover.
Not exactly modest, her dad owned a central heating company and when that fell through, he was a landlord for multiple properties. She was born into the world of business, it's no surprise she did well in it, but it wasn't humble beginnings.
I find the whole idea of the Cork Yogis very weird. They are trying to do social good in India, but they are making the mats in China, with plans to move the manufacturing to Portugal of all places. What do China and Portugal have to do with Yoga? Why not just manufacture in India so they can actually directly financially help those folks in India by employing them, rather than having a charity or some such mechanism?
"She needs £150,000. But her sweeping statements about the Spanish, have put Doug on the edge." is hilarious out of context. It sounds like something from a parody of Dragons Den.
good point, could have been in an episode of the IT crowd 😏
She is right though! The Spanish are not trustworthy.
Well, I mean, no one expects the Spanish Inquisition.
@@somethingeasy333 - LOL.
Would it surprise anyone that she's Jeremy clarkson's ex-wife?
I watch the Big O pitch every now and again for the humour of Doug Richards moralising someone.
"I've ripped off many spanish people and they're perfectly lovely about it"
and thinking she slept with Jeremy Clarkson. his 1st wife
Dang. Had no idea what this comment was about so I had to google it. Actually liked doug richard til now
He was innocent and cleared of all charges.
@@chrishoward3391He’s still a miserable count though.
> enters the den
> refuses to answer questions
> insults the spanish
> leaves
underrated comment
@@elguitarTom I think about this pitch at least once a day. It's my Roman Empire.
@@andrewgill2496Just because you're insecure and want to blame the Spanish provides NO CREDITABILTY. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHO A GROUP OF PEOPLE ARE BASED ON THE COLOUR OF THEIR SKIN. You disgust me
sounds like Brexit
Based
Bound Biographies sounds like one of those companies that prays on elderly people door to door, where they won't leave their house without a deal, they're basically cowboy builders but with books
Yeah. He had a really skeevey vibe about him, too. Deborah spotted it right away. He's been trained in how to manipulate vulnerable people.
@@peterclarke7240 yeh I got that vibe straight away, really sleezy and money grubbing. When Deborah was talking he looked like he was bored and just wanted her to shut up nd pay him, especially with that "hmm hmm hmm", you know he is like that with elder people, doesn't hear a word they say.
@Ashley Holman thank you word police
@@chrismcadam8413 may sound petty but not correcting peoples spelling has led to days like these where kids can't spell simple words. I mean I know a 24 year old that couldn't spell "tomorrow", they either had to put "2moz" or "tomoz".
@@xEvilNeverDiesx My 80-year-old mum writes 'tomoz', and has done since at least the 1990s.
“I’m Indian”
Zooms in on the Indian guy to see his reaction to someone else being Indian..?
The show really said “look we have an Indian friend too!”
Maybe they know each other bcs they are both indian
@@Max-pw7rl it's true, I know Tej Lavani
13:10 lol
"I won't answer that question. It's not relevant" I can't even.....
Peter shaking the dudes hand and saying ”you are very sweaty” killed me 😂
Dude with the book presentation really said that his job is the best because he gets to eat people's biscuits and drink they're tea....that alone made me think what a weasel.
What about his cringey smiles and him exposing his genitals???
The smiling and then suddenly dropping it was creeping me out
@@thecaptainsnark he's a scoiopath
@@ChiTownCzech91 *their tea
@@S.Trades
LOL, I KNEW SOMEONE WOULD POINT THAT OUT.
"Is anyone here Spanish?"
*millions of people watching on TV*
"Nahhh no one here's Spanish"
Trump supporter
@@robs5855 awesome take
@@robs5855why would someone who supports trump have problems with people from spain.....
@@robs5855interesting
"Is anyone here Spanish?"
*me, a Spanish Brit* "Uh Oh"
Yeah it's probably not smart to 1) insult the Spanish and 2) ask if anyone's Spanish, making it clear you're about to say something offensive to the Spanish
Like if I were one of the Dragons, I'd probably go along with it, honing in on the "Spanish are lazy" stereotype just to reveal at the end and declare myself out for that
That book guy looks like the slimiest kind of salesman. He said "that is why we only pick one out of four" yeah, I bet you do, you choose the most vulnerable of the bunch and bilk them for all they are worth. I wonder how many times he has drug the process out for years? I wonder how many of those people that came to his wedding were still paying him 200 a day to be their friend? How many were under 75?
I bet the answers wouldn't be very surprising.
Yup. My exact thoughts too
What a slimey weasel
I feel he is really a slimy character the book man ,I would not like him in my house
Do you think he charged them to attend?
I wish the very best for the cork yogis girl, she is a sweetheart. I hope she succeeded in whatever she did.
i feel she leant too far on the charitable aspect of the pitch and everyone including her, forgot that it actually was a good product that made yoga mats more grippy
I am sick and tires of seeing these "new age" products and services being launched charging consumers ridiculously high premium prices. The greed of the owners really restricts access to many consumers. The great thing about a boomerang is that it returns. The yoga mat woman failed her business due to her greed. Good.
@@andrewboxall2945 I feel like a lot of people forget that having a useful product is just one of the elements that determine if they invest. A lot of times they will be forgiving of a lack of formal business education but someone who can't do simple mental arithmetic and wants to run a half for-profit business/half charity is a huge red flag.
@@BiznessCrewAu I wouldn't call her greedy, she's giving away a lot of money for someone who's starting up
wonder when was that, the idea of the product seem good (except for the fact that cork is rare product and and even wine producer are trying to use something more accesible) Quickly looking online i see there is now many seller of cork mat. Failed to patent it? or was it already not a original idea at the time of the pitch?
That last guy was just an antique dealer who figured out a way to move all of his old stock at a hugely inflated price to the NHS
R.I.P Hilary. I really liked her in the Den. She was firm but fair.
Rest In Peace.
RIP
Yeah, rip hilary
Sad news 😢
how did she passed?
the first one seems insanely smart to me but then i thought about it more lol, he's such a salesman that scares me that i believed it
He's obviously going for older people who want to have their stories written. They might appreciate the friendly ear until they get the bill; 300 £ per meeting?
If they just removed the multiple meetings and had it only be an initial meeting, a checkup to sort out grievances and a final meeting to present the books, scheduled when the client wants it, so that they have a fixed cost, it would indeed be a wonderful thing.
the problem is not the idea, its the price point
@@TempestPoet The idea requires the price point, and they will only really get pensioners to sign up for it.
Tej regretted making an offer the moment he offered up half of the money. Every other Dragon not offering up the other half just gave him an easy out.
It's one of the reasons why you are the first one in with a share deal.
@@kevindunlap5525with all their money, you’d think they could take a risk and make an offer based on the social side of the yoga business.
Uh I think he only offered half because he knew the others wouldn't go in on it giving him a valid reason to say no to a countryman. He wanted to save face.
@@justin9744 He should have had the courage to look her in the eye and tell her that the business sucked
He mentioned one million dollars and Peter Joness morals flew straight back out the window.
CorkYogis is still going - I'm so proud of this young woman!
Of fighting human trafficking in India by encouraging cheap labour and exploitation of Uighur in China ? Ethical companies shouldn't be contradictory and be very very careful how they make money.
@@marc-antoinemarcoux697 That's why she moved it to Portugal.
She sold the company in 2018.
I'd have invested if I were one of the dragons.
@@dannylowry4743and it did badly! Very badly
I love how that one posh woman just completely rips on the Spaniards 😂 What was she thinking!? On television no less 😂😂
And she just happens to be Jeremy Clarkson’s ex wife!
*looks around* Are any of you... *looks around again* ... _Spanish???_
She said that like being Spanish was a sin.
Yeah but have you ever dealt with the spanish though?
@@jamesrossbroadfoot6327 I have actually tbf. Their riot police do seem like bastards that will do tourists at the drop of a hat for being too drunk or whatever 😂 I'm from Ireland though and like 99.9% of Spanish tourists I've ever met here are extremely polite.
@@roryslaine7896 Did they get you your olives on time tho?
R.I.P. Hilary, hopefully we will see a compilation of her best moments at some point in future
RIP HARAMBE
Wow I didn’t know she passed, how sad. I actually quite liked her for some reason.
The last lady is such a classic Dragons den episode. She seems so bothered to come even do the pitch, and so concerned and yet unconcerned 😂😂😂
She alledgedly married that Top Gun dude
Top Gear, Jeremy Clarkson. A match made in heaven, a couple of xenophobes chilling by the fire and moaning about those bloody foreigners.
@@Clipahoyshe is his ex
So like i understands the reasons for this (from like the business perspective and the scalability and so on), but theres still somthing just a bit funny to me about the lottery prize drawing company getting 3 offers and the charity yoga mats got a single half offer that fell through in a compilation specifically about morals 😅
(Also jenny finally makes an offer and she gets rejected 😂)
The olives one is a classic. I thought it was a great idea, and could have succeeded. But you'd need a human being at the helm.
its Olives hardly a great idea
Her leaving him was probably the best thing that happened to Jeremy Clarkson. He was married to her for 6 months.
@@Lincolntowncoupe yes.
the irony of being lectured by Doug, who went on to sleep with a 13 year old..but defended himself by saying that he thought she was 17. lol
Lol that's like A segment on ESPN where Urban Meyer talked about keys to an organization's success and it was like trustworthiness, reliability, honesty 🤣🤣🤣
Yikes!! I always liked him. Guess you never know about some people…
Doug who?
@@NeckbeardPr1me he's the white guy with glasses was criticizing the woman for insulting the Spanish.
To be fair, it did come out that the girl did repeatedly show a fake ID that claimed she was 17 and admitted it was consensual. The charges were dropped against him later.
Rest in peace Hilary 💔 I always found her very sharp during her time in the Den. Straight forward and very funny at the same time.
I had no idea she'd passed away. 😔 She was still young imo.
15:00 Never trust a yoga person or a ManBun Man!
@@vintagevictoria she was only 65 :(
Hilary had more integrity than just about every investor on the show. Her story is wonderful. She was amazing. A very big loss to humanity.
I am blown away she was only 65
My favorite part was when Peter said something about not knowing if he wanted to be part of the game when some win and many lose... pure irony
What? He's literally an angel-investor. I get that you're a Russian and don't know how capitalism works, and all... but whaaaa?
@@jack-a-lopiumThat’s the point… entrepreneurship and investing is a game where few win and many lose - that’s the irony.
@@dannynufer1296 Yeah, I know... cos I am ALSO not a Russian.
Being an entrepreneur, you have much more control over the success of your business. The game in question seemed to be all luck based
@@jack-a-lopium you are still dumb
Bound Biographies sounds so good, until you find out the real cost. Sad.
Someone should make a digital platform for that. Might be exponentially cheaper and accessible.
You can self-publish for under a £5 a book. Print on demand is a very competative space.
What is Debbie bras size? They are m@ssive.
Yep. Deborah was right. It seems like the real money is made from those daily visits where elderly people I’m sure just love someone to talk to about their life who will happily listen. This man seems like the perfect companion for them.
@@User84030 - And I bet they charge the daily rate for writing too, and if they do, I bet there's no minimum writing time either. There should be a maximum dollar amount that you can pay, but they don't want that.
I forgot about that first guy. Jesus how many red flags. So many concerns.
The olive deal, what an arrogant defensive individual!
Sad to hear the loss of Hilary, RIP Dragonlady!
Little known fact about that lady, she is Jeremy Clarksons ex wife
@@OriginalYS Little known fact unless you watche her pitch on TH-cam 😂 it's commented everywhere 😁
I love how a handful of the most ruthless business people out there are talking about the morals of those pitching them investment opportunities.
Ruthless != immoral
@@ArgentLeftovers it does actually
@Ashley Holman so you acknowledge that it is a cruel world and submit to it instead of opposing it ?
I don't get your point. Business is a very moral undertaking.
If you're devoid of morals in the business world, then the long term will eventually get you.
Laura (the cork yoga mat girl) needed to stand up to Peter. What Peter and Jenny didn't seem to understand, is that the social aspect was actually part of the business. It's why certain people purchased from them. Now, she could have started out by giving less, to make sure the company stays safe, but other than that, I don't think she's confused at all. However, she should have stood up for herself to Peter. Not just nodded and listened.
46:30 *WHAT PETER REALLY MEANT*
Peter: "Alex, I'm Peter. I'm sitting here and I'm absolutely baffled. I think it's, firstly, one of the worst pitches I've seen today"
Alex: "Sorry"
Peter: "You've mentioned that you got a business brain. I've yet to see any inclination that you actually have a brain at all"
Alex: 👁 👄 👁
Peter is hilarious
"who dare you let people win a prize in life thats wrong, only im allowed to win"
"you making money out of helping people terrible you! i just make money out of people by not helping them this is the right way!" 🤦♂🤣
The Bound Biographies thing is definitely a business that’s right on the edge, where it COULD be done ethically, but in practice it lends itself really well to underhanded, semi-scammy tactics. It reminds me of an MLM / “network marketing” business, where success depends largely on taking advantage of more vulnerable people.
The crazy thing is, however, that the dragons rightly pointed all of this out on this episode… but then in a later season a guy came in pitching the same thing, and somehow got multiple offers and a deal. The only difference was that he presented it more smoothly, and the dragons considered him more “credible” (which often seems like the dragons’ code word for “we can tell you come from upper class stock, like us, so we’re willing to trust you with our money, and we won’t have to deal with some _low-born_ ruffian” haha)
Felt for that Lara girl liked her product and can see their still in business so well done to her!
I get very skeptical of Charitable orgs. They often abuse the donations in the name of "business expense". While in University there was this NGO for disabled people that held a seminar for Software engineers raising awareness for accessibility in digital products. Our whole CS department was invited to take it. We went there and had the time of my life. Just the food that they served there was the most expensive meal I have ever eaten. The addresses in the seminar were lackluster feel good stuff. I am technically considered disabled due to an uncorrectable vision problem which even affects my career.
It's a good point, I am often skeptical too however I do also "well where was that money going anyway?", ie has that wealth been intercepted and then redistributed to people who are either suffering in society, or are helping those that do. If that is the case, I still think it's a noble way to conduct business.
Quite frankly, I think every charity should have to show the income of all their management. Salaries, bonuses, expenses, etc.. They should also have to show how much of a donation actually makes it to the people they're donating to.
Do not let those thieving Organizations prevent you from helping. A little research will easily clear these doubts, some charities are very transparent, they have no paid administration and they are struggling. compassion does pay bills.
I give monthly to cancer research and great ormond children hospital. No underhanded stuff there, and the cause is for our future :)
@@wvrjl I mean we are all legally obliged annually to declare our income and expenditure and each and every member of staff that earns over £60,000, but you go off.
These compilations are good because they show the utter inconsistency of the Dragon's investment thesis. Cork Yogis - which does no innate good for anyone - shouldn't be giving money to charity, but the Rempods - who do good for people through their service - should be doing more. Should a business give money to charity, should they prioritize returns to investors first? Who knows? Certainly not Peter.
The difference is one was making lots of money the other wasn't.
The difference is one was helping elderly British people the other was helping abuse victims in India
This is actually what I appreciate about this show. You definitely have a good point, but it also shows that, for all the expertise and experience each dragon has, each deal is a case-by-case basis. And for all the conviction they have, they can be wrong at times. Each proposed product is a deal being worked out by real people with real interests and real opinions. They're not robots, and that actually makes them all the more daunting in their den.
Déborah was so right to condemn the family book man. £3k for a book but £300 per day for him to eat biscuits and drink tea while creating a false sense of being a friend. So a £3k book can rise to £6k after 10 meeting.
i think the issue is that one is a product that happens to send money to charity while the other is an idea that could help a mental issue. not exactly the same thing but if someone came up with a cure for an illness and said "I will make millions on this" they maybe could (depending what country they live in) , but there would be a lot of controversy around it. Its one of those things that could make a ton of money since the elderly well- get sick a lot. and there's a ton of them. there's ways to make money off of selling medical related things, but i can get why an investor with a public image would be kinda offput by it. there's a lot of social pressure on ideas like that since almost everyone can relate to older people around them being sickly and paying for quite a few medications/treatments. Peter wanting some of it to go to charity is a way to save face a bit i think.
There is one big struggle in heath care about the people who help taking money. The bottom line is that the people working deserve a wage so that they can live. You can love helping people, but still need to make a living. Its reasonable, not unethical.
RIP Hilary. You will be missed. God bless you and all your family and friends.
That's an issue a lot of major charities face ...
... on the one hand, the whole point of a charity is to support a particular cause, or need; but, in order to run that charity, you need an Executive Board, especially a CEO, whom is capable, and able, to run an organisation with that degree/level of finance ...
Except those don't come cheap ... even when running a non profit ...
@@nigelft - No, between salaries, bonuses, and benefits (especially expense accounts), they make FAR too much! WAY too much! I strongly think that charities should have to be completely transparent, listing how much all of their management gets in salaries, bonuses, and benefits. They should also have to list the percentage of charitable donations actually makes it to the intended recipient. I think you'd be surprised.
Deborah doesn't seem to take into account inflation when she talks about her gambling business days, nor the fact that people back then could be no less addicted. She made her money from it and now preaches to others.
I agree the amount you can 'pledge' is kind of irrelevant, any means of gambling can and will be abused and form addictions in some people.
Thats not the point here. This is a high stakes gambling business. Yes, they have a skill based entry level questionnaire but anyone can get passed that. That was just created to keep the gambling regulators happy.
I was thinking the same thing. When was she part of this gambling board?? That being said, I don't agree with the subscription. I think that's designed with the intent of getting access to people's money who don't really have the money for that sort of thing. And their skill testing question, chances are its math, and everybody has a calculator.
@@kartikkantheti5690 - I don't think they should be allowed to have the subscription model. I'm surprised that no one brought that up.
@@notrecyborg5492not on two p pushers mate
We definitely need a compilation of the late Hilary.
I totally agree with both Peter and debs. I feel where Peter is coming from. People so much so can get addicted to any kind of lottery. Because of the prize involved. I.e house lottery.
Peter’s eye roll when Tej said he’d make an offer… XD
Tej only offers when a child could see its an easy no work deal or if he can join someone
@@dc5285 that's a bit unfair
@@stinameaner i know bro but try telling tej that
RIP Hilary, always seemed a lovely woman.
do you know what happened? why she died?
@@roldanelvis2449 no, it said a long illness.
@@beebeelicious thanks. I know sometimes they don't want people to know. I appreciate 🙏 your response
@@roldanelvis2449 people in the comments are saying stroke so i think it’s that. sorry if it’s wrong
The last lady is an absolute classic... So many red flags, honestly
The first guy I kinda felt like they were telling him it's not a valid business when hes sitting at around 200k profit a year and obviously does well from it. His business wouldve been so much more appealing if the day rate was say 150. That round 300 just makes it look like what it probably is which is to swindle old people thinking itll be a 4 grand bill and ending up w what is more likely around 7
I'm guessing it's more than that. Also, is that day rate also used for writing? If it is, is there a minimum amount of time they have to spend on it to get the day rate, or would 30 minutes of writing mean the customer still has to pay the day rate??
Fun fact: Alex Hall from the Big O pitch is an ex wife of Jeremy Clarkson.
Explains a lot about her behavior 😅
Who's Jeremy Clarkson?
@@withgoddess1119 🙄
Explains a lot too.
@@withgoddess1119 the main host of top gear
a lot*
With the first one, even his hmms, when Deborah was talking, sounded 'rehearsed'.
The big O woman has been director of 8 companies all of which were dissolved. She is going through her maintenance money like no tomorrow.
One of the most unlikable people I've met
Says her company's worth 65million today and dragons made a mistake
@@soulpkerukI missed that
@@garylangford6755 she can’t be worse in person than on the show surely?
Including this one.
Took me a few seconds to be convinced the last guy wasn't David Williams
28:20 poor guy doesn’t even realize he was scammed lol. He just made a business scam-like but actually sent the prize out 🤣 top nod
"Tested the dragon's morals" doesn't mean they all passed 😂
13:13 always been visiting india *zooms into Tej*
The last guy - Peter quickly changed his mind about morals when there was big money talks 🤨
Did no-one else immediately think ....Alan Partridge!! 💥😅😅 if you were running from a burning building....its the real life Alan Partridge!!
Jenny nodding and rolling her eyes during the yoga mat pitch!😄😆😄 at 11:15
Not funny
Jesus. In my understanding, it costs around $3000 to self publish a proper novel. That can be sold to other people. $3000 for a book just for you? No way.
He's selling fear and uncertainty (house burning down) and the nostalgia.
I swear the British television formula is.... zoom in on literally anything close to a person. Then pan to their face.
British or English? This $hit show is filmed in England. Do you understand the difference? Probably not.
@@rossgriffin5703 I enjoy lumping them together occasionally on a whim just to see if I can evoke this kind of reply from non English Brits. Ever amusing. But in truth, I've seen shows from all over Britain do the same thing. Makes me chuckle.
Bollywood music starts followed by a crash zoom on Taj.
Haha
Here for Alex Hall 😂 Love watching this one😂
I don't think olives when I hear the Big O.
I think of Roy Orbison
RIP Hilary, thoughts go out to friends and family
The first one was dodgy and well shady. Preying on peoples emotions
The 2nd one was worse
@@petesmart1983 how so?
Yep. Just seemed like someone trying to part grannies from their savings.
The fact he invited them to his wedding and accepted gifts for his kids off them made me feel ill. Revolting little man.
@@ieuanyin - Just like Deborah said. In a short time, people are dependant on them for friendship. Now, with most people, you might say buyer beware, but how many older people do they prey on? They make it sound like it's not going to be very expensive, but then they charge this daily rate. If this daily rate includes writing, which I bet money that it does, there's no way for you to even keep track of that daily rate. There's clearly no maximum that can be charged, and there doesn't even appear to be a minimum amount of writing that applies to getting the daily rate. If a person writes for 30 minutes, do they charge the $300 daily rate? I bet they do. There, quite obviously, should be a maximum fee charged. Sure, people can quit at anytime, but they've already paid the upfront fee that was something like $4,000. They're going to just lose that with nothing to gain from it?
Goodness I get more ads watching Dragons Den then I do when listening to Daily Wire podcasts. I didn't think that was possible!
"its not gambling" pal you put money in and you have a chance to get nothing back or get a win, thats what i call gambling mate, Elite competitions is dodgy
Stuff like that is illegal in my country.
In order to run contests like that you have to be a charity and donate the profits back into the community.
That final pitch was horrendous. She must be an absolute nightmare to work with. I hate these types of people that have an attitude problem. If she can talk like this to investors, I can only imagine how she talks to people around her.
I don't think you watched the whole video, the last one was a dude
second to last.
Or how she talks to vendors, customers etc.
@@Natashajb ha ha yes but in all fairness he was probably done after Olive Lady.
@@bombshellonthegoI wonder why her suppliers were inconsistent. I mean, unless they were Spanish, then I totally get it.
Horrible woman. No wonder her 8 businesses went down the drain, nobody can work with her.
"You come in here blinking and nodding. I'm out."
Why is the last pitch so incomplete?
My thoughts go out to those close to Hilary. ❤
One of billions.
"How many of these have you sold?"
"Excuse me?"
TH-cam adverts are driving me nuts ...
Doug Richard reminds me of John malkovvitch
Similarities indeed.
Debra is very sharp.
Alex Hall's (The Big O) comments about the Spanish and her general attitude problem make a lot more sense when you realise that she's Jeremy Clarkson's ex-wife. Birds of a feather flock together...
😲 wow I didn't know.
A whole nation is the cause of her problems. 😅
Rest in Peace Hilary, you were an icon :)
48:31 - Whoo! That transition. 🤣
The olive lady is Patsy from Absolutely Fabulous..
And when she said she likes to focus on pubs and bars, that came across.
Seeing the Dragons get up to do yoga made me realise Peter Jones is exceptionally tall
He's 201 cm, if I remember correctly
“9 of these people came to my wedding”…I mean, I’m sorry you don’t have many friends.
Even when Jenny is in, the entrepreneurs are out lmao
I love all the Dragon's especially Barbara....R.I.P. Hilary you'll be missed 😢 😔 😪
Who is Barbara?
Touka I am not sure that is Yoga! LOL Peter!!
The Bound Biographies sounded great until he said the price 💀
Yh rip off
Type of dude too pray on the elderly
Dang touka selling an office space again id love to see how much space does he have pmp 😂🎉
I keep hearing Pizza Jones instead of Peter Jones, so that is what I shall call him forevermore.
Gambling is gambling. There's possibly of addiction 🎰
The yoga mats seem a great idea but need to be thicker .
Rej saying product like poduct is the reason why I watch
That doesn't sound like an investment with enough profit.
Good name though.
The one time Jenny makes an offer and they didn't take hers lol. Maybe that's why she always says She's out?
Sorry jen but we'r gonna take these two lol
She has made other offers 🤣 it's just a running joke that she hardly makes them
55:44 Can't imagine that would work. My grandma hat dementia - quite severly. She startet seeing things which were not there. Sitting on a couch in her living room but thinking, she was in the restroom of her workplace from 20 years ago. And at the very end she couldn't even recognise her son's face - which really hurt my father.
So i doubt creating a familiar or nostaligic environment will do much to help people who're suffering from dementia - at best it is a distraction. Good intention but whough but not a solid investment in my mind.
It is different for everyone though. My mum has alzheimers and familiar environments did help her before the condition progressed.
Didn't a bound biographies revamp get an investment post-covid?
peter says (7:03) "and for that reason im out." i would like to add he's a smarmy git too!
Fiiiiiiiiirrre!!
Grab the book i paid too much to publish!
And the dog!
...baby too, I guess.
Mans said "I dont know why you've been given ears" Hilarious @46:10
Rest in peace Hilary
I had no idea she died! Just checked the BBC website and there it is. May she rest in peace.
Very sad. Rip
What happened? So sad to hear. Welcome to the Angel's Den 🙏
Private book binding is a great idea, but they're charging 3000 pounds + 300 pounds per day for one book!? I know a few book shops that offer exactly this, and it's usually around 1000 pounds, give or take depending on how embellished you want the leather cover.
You thick?
Hilary was so beautiful, she had very humble beginnings and look what she accomplished. Her son should be very proud
Not exactly modest, her dad owned a central heating company and when that fell through, he was a landlord for multiple properties.
She was born into the world of business, it's no surprise she did well in it, but it wasn't humble beginnings.
You are so spot on
My dad is Indian… Zooms in on Tej
Wacist
Casual racism by the bbc
My Dads a cun#, ZOOMS IN ON JONSEY.
I reckon tej thought she was a corker, and just wanted to dipsum into her on one of her mats.
..too soon?
He's my dad, boogie woogie woogie!
I find the whole idea of the Cork Yogis very weird. They are trying to do social good in India, but they are making the mats in China, with plans to move the manufacturing to Portugal of all places. What do China and Portugal have to do with Yoga? Why not just manufacture in India so they can actually directly financially help those folks in India by employing them, rather than having a charity or some such mechanism?
Because India also has sweatshops and child labour, its not much better than China in that regard
Because india manufacturing isnt much better ethically than china
They moved to Portugal because ethics is important to them.
@@AwakenedAvocado No manufacturing is "ethical", okay? Get out of here with your ignorant pretentious nonsense.
Portugal is the world's biggest producer of cork.
Wow, Jenny actually made an offer!🤣
Alex is veeeery arrogant during her pitch and questioning. I wouldn’t touch her with a 10 foot pole with my money :/