What CLAWED the Tree in Lake Hylia? | Zelda: Ocarina of Time Theory/Mystery
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- Zelda: Ocarina of Time's Lake Hylia has long had a strange mystery right under our noses-- and for years it's gone unanswered... until now? In this fun Zelda theory video, we’re going to tackle the biggest question: what kind of monster could have scratched the tree in Lake Hylia?
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MaskedNintendoBandit yeah but with the orientation of the temple of time and Lon Lon ranch in botw. No locations actually make sense compared to previous games.
Yep. How is Lake Hylia the way it is on BOTW?
Do you think the events in majoria's mask might have something to do with the way lake hylia turned out in botw?
Drebin 006 majoras mask happened in a alternate dimension. So no it shouldn’t have.
Weston Johnson I believe I read it was confirmed to be an alternate dimension.
Developer 1- "Hey, why did you add those claw marks to that tree by the lake?"
Developer 2- "Oh, it's going to be a reference to a dragon in a game 20 years from now."
*Theory 100*
It's happened before. Particularly in Pokemon. And it was very intentional. Especially since a lot of games are thought up long before they're created. Once again, this happened with Pokemon.
@@lolymop333
True, but because it has happened before doesn't mean that it is always the case.
I seriously doubt BOTW was planned for so long, especially such a small detail.
@@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 However, you cannot complete dismiss the theory, as Nintendo does similar things regularly, making it still a possibility.
Yeah, sure. It's definitively a possibility. I'm just saying, Nintendo isn't the most consistent when it comes to the Zelda timeline or canon. Pokemon is way better at that actually.
"Have you ever wondered why there are scratches on the tree at Lake Hylia"
Me: wait....there were scratches on a tree??
Same right til now lol
I forgot and assumed it was a wolfos lol
Same
Wait there was a tree
B O I
The fact it was removed in the 3D remake probably means it was just a leftover of a different stage of development.
It wasn't removed from my version.
Scrapped dlc content. No doubt it
@Greg's Retro Channel 2 in my version it is.
@Greg's Retro Channel 2 I don't think so. I got mine way after my brothers and his version didn't have scratches. I think mine might either be a third party repro cartridge cause I bought it online.
@Greg's Retro Channel 2 Apparently, there were "supposed" to be EXC (dlc) for OoT. You can look it up
"ok so I put those scratches on the tree you wanted"
"oh yea we scraped that whole side quest"
😑
The Tree ist just copy pasted from lost woods. Can’t believe you can make a 10 minute video of it.
I remember that when I was young me and my sister thought Ganon was responsible for scratching the tree.
ganon: fuck that tree in particular
@@InvaderNaj Random stalchild: But why sir
You're right he doesn't have claws. He DOES have a trident, however.
@@thecplman1 he didnt have one yet
He must be really mad! Haha
I think people underestimate just how much climate and geography can change over 10k years
Not to mention BOTW is very likely way, way more than 10k years. Since botw takes place 10k years after the first time calamity Ganon showed up, and the time from OoT to the creation of the guardians probably took thousands of years as well.
Devastator 4403 it only takes place 100 years after calamity Ganon took over
Liam Thibodeau
Yep. 100 years ago they dug up the guardians and 4 beasts, which were built 10,000 years ago to defeat Calamity Ganon the first time.
It's very difficult for anyone to really contemplate 10,000 years.
I'm lost. If it happens thousands of years afterwards. Does that mean it's a different link? Or the same? I never really understood that
He seems to have forgotten that the claw marks are there even as a child in OoT. They don't just show up after becoming an adult
i came here looking for this lol
me: damn its late i should sleep...ok just one more video.
me 6 hours later: "what clawed the tree in lake hylia"
why is this me right now
"let's play the game again to see it with my own eyes for no reason"
*It was the lab-shark*
*Thats why he's locked away*
It's punishment for skraching inocent trees
But how tho, flying shark with claws? XD
@@jovaneybernard2206 well we only see a small part of his body?
Maby it's not even a shark
@@ast8177What if it was the Zoras throwing their fins/wing arm thingys at the tree
But your idea is pretty good too
underrated comment
that shark scared the crap out of me when I first saw it
There's actually a much simpler, in-game explanation. Around Lake Hylia at night, Link encounters small bird enemies called Guay. While these birds have no feet in-game because polygons, these enemies do have talons like any other bird in their official artwork.
But wait, you say, how could it have been a Guay? They're so tiny!
Well, like some other enemies in the game like the Stalchild and Leever, if you kill enough Guays before the sun rises, you will summon an enormous one that swoops down and attacks! If you're quick enough, you may even be able to summon one twice for an even more monstrous version to show up and assault Link!
So yeah, despite their lack of visible talons in-game (I'll assume they're tucked under their plumage while flying like many birds in real life) I believe the claw marks may have been a clue hinting at the existence of the giant Guay, should any players accidentally summon it.
very good explanation. if figured it might have been the white wolforous from the ice cave. we know that shiek rescued ruto from zora's domain and helped her escape. maybe the wolforous followed her and tried capturing her before ruto escaped into the temple and it returned back to guard zora's domain.
I don’t believe that.
This is right.
There’s 3 different creatures that have a giant version. The only one I never discovered as a kid was the Guay.
@@snuffydog8153 What are the other 2 enemies? Were there any markings around where they spawn as well?
back when farosh was a lil snek he was like: look at dat tree... i think i gonna scratch it.
Whatchu lookin at tree? You makin fun of me cuz I’m small? Ima scratch you . 🐉🐉🐉🐉🐲🐲🐲🐲🐲
"The dragon ascends to the heavens as the sun begins to set."
In OoT, you get the fire arrow by shooting the sun as the sun begins to rise.
Clearly, there are strong elemental ties to Lake Hylia when the sun is rising or setting....
ABob71 best response on this comment section
Not to mention that Hylia herself is said to have created the three dragons, so yet another connection.
The legend of the dragon ascending as the sun begins to set may be a reference to him being kicked out of his own temple.. he retreated from the battle into the heavens as the sun set on the the kingdom of Hyrule.. a 7 year+ darkness had set on the lands until Link returned and fixed everything.. perhaps once the water temple was cleansed and the land returned to light the dragon eventually returned home.
It's always possible that the water temple is destroyed/in ruins in BOTW and that's why Farosh leaves the water and flies around every day now
But that's just a theory
A GAME THEORY
The Real Psychoetry beat me to it xD
Same fml
Thanks for watching
Quite possibly, though seeing as it isn't a part of the map we're meant to see, it's highly unlikely it'll actually be there should someone glitch their way underwater. But given how much did carry over as ruins from OOT, it is easy to believe the water temple would be there as well, if we were intended to see it.
Why did nintendo erase that scratch in new versions ?
Totone Reed Smith Grezzo most likely didn’t see them and Grezzo redesigned the entire game
If there was nothing in the game code like removed dialog or deleted cut scenes and since the CD expansion for the N64 was never released then there is no reason to even have it. It doesnt add anything so just remove it and move on
We never got an answer for it so there probably wasnt a reason to add a loose thread in the remake. Honestly, this theory here is probably the best we will get, it fits better than any ideas my friends and myself had when I was a kid in the N64 era. We all had our own theory, from the giant stalchild coming from the field at night to boogeyman monsters that would delete your save if you summoned it and lost.
Because there was no meaning to them in the first place, and their only purpose is, well, videos like this.
@@chriscumbag Wouldnt that be reason to keep it in the new version though?
I get what you mean by 'videos like this' because back then, it was all schoolyard discussion and maybe 1 of the like 3 decent gaming mags. It was about discussion, which make great youtube vids from time to time.
Im just trying to figure out your logic in this context, does it have meaning or not, you contradict pretty hard. Like "no meaning" and "its only purpose" for example. I may be putting more thought into your comment than I should. lol
Also, there was a planned expansion for OoT that was never finished, think it was what basically turned into MM, but I think they had intentions for the expansion while they were finishing up base OoT, the claw marks just may have been a tease for something they had intended to expand upon but never got to, that logic fits better with them removing it from OoT3D.
Playing this at such a young age, I used to explore every nook and cranny of this game. I was just reminiscing about this small detail with my children today and had to see if anyone else had a theory. Thanks for the video!
The reason for this is mentioned in the dialogue between link and the owl, he simply states that hes left a marking above the next temple
Praise the TH-cam algorithm, I got this video suggestion that actually doesn't suck and it's quite good. I'll definitely be checking your other content, I love the Zelda lore and you seem pretty knowledgeable and likable.
That means a whole lot! Thanks for being here and I hope you like what's to come!
I think the theory was bad
The claw marks were always there even before when Link pull the Master Sword.
Thank you! I was literally searching the comments to see if anyone else ever caught that detail.
I like your theory. I also recall that in Twilight Princess the spirit of lake Hylia is made to look like a giant serpent. Of course it doesn’t have a clear connection, but big serpents are found in other Zelda games around lake Hylia, too.
I was like "no way!" Until you pointed out the dragon statues.
And I was like "that's totally Dale" until I saw your name
Thanks for your input xD
...and then you realized that it couldn't have possibly been the case being that Breath of the Wild wasn't created for another 20 years and then you felt really stupid.
@@eamonia Aw, look at you, assuming something is wrong because to think OoT had to be inspired by BotW instead of the other way around. You're adorable, here's your allowance, go buy a candy bar or something.
It's so funny how in old games that things can prove theories about things that they havent even thought of yet
Nintendo: let's make dragon markings in the temple
Random youtuber: hell yeah
Fandom: hell yeah
Zelda producer: hell yeah
Nintendo: idk how but hell yeah
Lol most accurate comment ever tbh
Just like the whole Zelda timeline 😂
I think that Nintendo never thought that far, but this is an interesting theory. Just noticed how small your Channel is, you have a lot of room for growth!
Like general grievous would say
Your theory will make a fine addition to my collection
I'll believe this on one condition: Is the scratch on the tree... in the past.
Dude great theory. The point about the serpent/dragon statues in the water temple was the "oh snap" moment for me on this one. Well done.
mlandau312 same
The similarity between them and the ruins around the spring of courage/Faron etc is really interesting
Except this theory is full of holes. First off you can't just reorient the lake like that as now North is to the East, comparing OoT to BotW maps like this means you need to turn the entire Botw map 90 degrees and the two maps just outright do not line up like that. Secondly he brings up the idea that it was from some battle between the dragon and Morpha when Link opened the Door of Time except we see those scratches on the tree when you go to the lake as child Link. They are there from the start of the game
JJAB91 regardless of the theory’s validity, because let’s be honest, taking things from future games will never be intended. Nintendo wasn’t thinking that far ahead, as far as I’m concerned the similarity between the dragon statues is still interesting and might be a callback or Easter egg
THE FAROSH VS MORPHA FIGHT IS MY NEW HEADCANON SIR THANK YOU
Wouldnt the electricity surge throughout the water making the boss an easy kill?
@@theslayer4050 ahh, in our world indeed, however in the world of Zelda and the magic they possess it is easily believable to me that a powerful demon creature has an immunity to electricity, crazier things have certainly happened in other Zeldas! Lol
Just don't have anything metal equipped...
@@theslayer4050 not really sure what that has to do with our comment thread here lol i thought we were talking about farosh's electricity affecting morpha, not link
I'm convinced. I also wasn't even aware of the claw marks until you pointed them out
I remember thinking so hard about that scratch on the tree as a kid, wondering how it happened.
I eventually just came to the conclusion that maybe it was done by Kaebora Gaebora. His claws are big enough.
Maybe he was angry at Sheik for stealing his spotlight?
There is an Ocarina of time manga where a bird like girl appears in lake hylia with huge claws for feet so... Maybe that's why its only in the N64 version
I'm pretty sure Rouru is a boy 😂
@@kitkatboard Nono, im sure its not rauru... Maybe? Idk, ill check my spanish manga lol
But im sure it looked like a girl
@@alexissandoval4394 You may be thinking about their queen but the one Link helps is definitly a male 🤔
Well, i read it again and there may be 2 possibilities:
1. It may be Rouru (you were right, he is a boy, dont ask me how i get to know xD) when he fell to lake hylia at young
2.It may be volvagia, again from the manga, altough is less possible than Rouru since volvagia was still a baby in the young timeline when link bought him
The manga isn't canon.
I love how everything needs a theory. I love even more that a lot of these theories hinge on games that have come out years and years after, as if the developers have it all planned out.
i don't think it's suggesting that. H's basically telling you where you can take it now that there are more games in the mix. No one believes this was set up. Even game to game the connections are abandoned or loosely tied at best...there's no way to plan or reference everything 5 games ahead and most people know that. It's just....fanfic for the heck of it.
I guess the only remaining question would be, “Are the claw marks there when you are child Link?” But otherwise, solid video and a cool addition to the lore.
I believe this theory! Accounting for the growth of the dragon as well as the terraforming of lake hylia was clever
definitely subbed
Thank you! Glad you're here :D
*_Who else had to fire up their old 64 just to double check?_*
Had to fire up my Emulator on my phone
Why do you want to know if I set my consoles on fire Mr. CIA?
Me out of the basement
@Chuck Buskee Ever heard of an emulator?
@Chuck Buskee Yes It's called Mupen64plus
Deadass never realized there were scratchmarks on the tree...I learn something new about this game every day, and I've 100% cleared it and thought I knew all the secrets already.
I would LOVE for a Zelda Theorist to sit down with a Geologist and go over the "It's been 10,000 years!" explanations you see everywhere.
The Spring of courage is a completely different place.
That would be cool if there was some kind of unknown beast going around as a secret hidden boss
That tree was one of the reasons I was so disappointed in the water temple boss.
I expected some eldrich deep sea fishman monster with claws and stuff and got a beachball
It's from the owl he even admits in in a choice of dialogue
When? Where?
@@SeightJam Owl told link that he mark the place of the temple
@@-Krosis Ok, but when?
Yea,need facts to back up
O RLY?
You work WAY too hard for your subs. This is really good. Phenomenal editing
Thank you, that means so much to me!
this is a good lore justification for the scratches but i wonder what the real design reasoning for it was when they made the model, perhaps there was a boss at the surface of the lake in the alpha that they cut before the final version? who knows but good vid regardless
Yeah I always assumed the water Temple Dragon statues were symbolic for a water Dragon. And when breath of the wild came out and we saw a bunch of dragons, I figured the developers took into account everything that was shown in previous games. but you're right, I'm surprised nobody has brought it to the attention of the masses this whole time. I guess it took social media age to convey information through TH-cam videos like this in 2019
6:40
You were soooo close, line should a been
"We'll never know, fo sho, where dat water temple go"
It is an interesting theory. In BotW, Lake Hylia is in the Faron province, but in all earlier titles Lake Hylia is in the Lanayru province. It seems that the regions have changed borders over time.
In both OoT and TP, Lake Hylia's shrines and temples feature dragons or giant serpents; in TP, the light spirit that watches over Lake Hylia is named Lanayru, and in ancient times (long before Skyward Sword) there was a Thunder Dragon named Lanayru who watched over the area. In SS, the hero is given the Water Dragon's Scale which allows him to swim underwater, and in OoT the hero is given both the Silver and the Gold Scales which allow him to hold his breath; in The Wind Waker, the Rito (who were once the Zora) are given the Red Scale from the Fire Dragon Valoo to get their wings. Where I'm going with this is that it seems dragons have been giving out power-enhancing gifts in the form of scales for the entirety of Hyrule's history, which explains why they're used as iconography throughout many of the temples.
Thank you! Yeah definitely, and BotW raises maaaaaany questions about layout and such with, for instance, Lon Lon Ranch from OoT being piece for piece present in BotW but not where you'd expect it to be looking at an OoT map...
That's definitely interesting. Dragons have played a huge role in Zelda lore the whole time, right under our noses. Thanks for watching and being here!
I know this comment is old, but I must point out that OoT's Silver Scale comes from a Zora. Sure, it may not actually be a Zora scale, considering they say (and I quote off pure memory) "this is a 'scale' of our kind" - which may imply it doesn't truly originate from a Zora's body, but still. A dragon as an excuse for the Golden Scale has nothing to debunk it, as far as I know, though.
Great theory! I never noticed the scratch unless I forgot about it. lol
Praise Hylia for youtube recommending me such high quality zelda video like this.
HYLIA BE PRAISED
I always wondered about that mark since I was very young
I love the way Farosh and the other dragon spirits flex their claws in BOTW, maybe it's a cat lover thing, idk
Weird flex but ok
I love the theory! Now in my own personal canon for the Zelda universe this is officially the reason for the claw marks.
That is a very impressive theory. I really never thought about those clawmarks before. Nice.
Well you convinced me. Now I need to go back and check the water temple in tears of the Kingdom for dragon statues.
You went deep on that dragon stuff. I'm convinced. I like this theory. It's simple and very plausible. I'll be using this as my head-canon from now on.
Good video!
Your theory is really smart you got a new subscriber and i love your editing
My guess is the model for the tree might have been somewhere else in an earlier build of OoT namely a place where Wolfos or another creature existed, amd when they moved this model to Lake Hylia they forgot to remove the claw marks.
This is supported by the fact that the marks are not in the 3DS version.
Dude, thank you so much for this fast introduction. I was seeing the dying guard oot theory video in the swanky box channel and the guys spent have the video on the introduction. You just cut straight to the point.
Just found this video and was great! My kind of editing :^) Subbed!
Thank you!! :D
This is the comedic Zelda-theory channel we wanted. Great editing, keep this style going
Game makers:puts scratch on tree for no good reason
Theorists:its big brain time
Now i have to start my n64 again.
maybe in botw 2 we can swim underwater and explore that? (I can hope)
That dragon statue in the Water Temple looks similar to the dragon statues in the Zonai Ruins.
The dragon represents courage in Zonai lore.
It wouldn’t be out of character for Nintendo to reference small details from past games and putting a little spin on it.
The great old one, who slumbers deep below in a place time has forgotten
Beautiful.
I never noticed the claw marks
Very interesting I'm curious about it too also are there any Gossip stones that were never found
I always like high quality old videos of yours from last years. Even you earliest older videos are best!
I think your theory makes sense. I mean, the water dungeon was literally filled with dragon sculptures and carving~
I noticed them way back then but only wondered to myself about it. This theory is definitely top shelf material ^^ I can't wait to see what else you shine a light on that has been overlooked by so many.
Well thank you! There shall be more to come!
Didn't know Oswald from the Drew Carrey show was such a huge zelda fan
Awesome. Love that you have the courage to speculate about something not often mentioned within the fandom. Always thought the scratch marks on the tree were a strange detail.
Thank you!
@@BanditGamesI’m making my way through the Shadow Temple in ocarina of time
i know nintendo would have never thought this far ahead but like...SOLID analysis dude...this is really cool
I haven’t watched yet but my guess is volvagia on a rampage
Edit: not far off
Future vision!
Description in BotW, sun begins to set. OoT, shoot sun get arrows. Maybe not a connection. Great video. Peace.
What if farsosh lives at the bottom of lake hylia in a temple?
Faroshes description: It makes its home in the Faron region
This is my first watched video of your channel and I'm convinced
And that's just a theory A GAME THEORY THANKS FOR WATCHING
IVE HEARD THAT SOMEWHERE BEFORE :O
@@BanditGames yeah that is the game theory ending to the vids
@@fullcorpse1232 is a joke my guy
You know, my 4 grade teacher said to me “if the author implemented a detail into the story, it has to serve some purpose to the story” I don’t believe in that. What if a woodcutter had a really bad day and just took three slashes to a tree, hhm?
Very possible. Considering how Zora link fights in Majoras mask, it could've also been a zora using the tree as a sparring dummy.
You mean to tell me that your 4th grade teacher told you that? Hmm...
@@eamonia of course I'm paraphrasing, it was a huge conversation with the class
@@petercook7521 Right, but you mean to tell me that while you were a student in a 4th grade classroom, your teacher said all that?
@@eamonia not that exactly, us 4th grade students wouldn't understand it if our teacher used that phrasing. She just told us that something wouldn't be in the story if it wasn't important, which is bs.
Hey MaskedNintendoBandit! I'm new to your channel and I just smashed through all of your Zelda theory vids and I think they are awesome! Keep up the great work man!
Well thanks! That means a lot! Will do :)
The tree below link's house also had a dragon drawn on it
There is one hole in your theory though.
The claw marks on the tree is also in the past in Ocarina of Time before you way even got the final spiritual stone.
So yeah unless Ganon unleashed the Water Temple boss during the time Link was still a kid for this battle in your theory.
That is only flaw with your theory since the claw marks are in both Young and adult's time in the game.
Other that the theory of who did it could be right.
There is another flaw in the theory it’s the elements at play unless Farosh did not have her elemental powers yet then she would have been able to stop morphea since lightning scatters water molecules
I appreciate the connections you made here. Solid video.
The Spring of Courage, I want to ask what you mean regarding identifying what it is. It's a physical location in BotW, just like the other two springs, but did you mean to say there's more? Would watch a new video about that, sure!
Hey thanks for that, I appreciate the compliment!
I actually get that question a lot due to my poor phrasing in the video; I meant to imply I was asking about what the Spring of Courage was in Ocarina of Time, since I’m implying Farosh was around back then and that may imply the Spring of Courage was as well. We don’t see it in-game (at least knowledgeably) and it may be interesting to theorize how the Spring changed over time.
How have I played OOT for 15 years, and never noticed the scratch?
I remember that big scratch on tree. I was speculating forever when I was younger. Thanks for the info
The claw mark in the tree was from a White Wolfos.
Giant Spirit Thunder Dragon Would've Destroyed Morpha In The Blink Of An Eye
Not unless he was a smol boi, 10k years prior to bein dummy thicc
Even then the elemental powers of the dragon would have destroyed the elemental powers of Morphea
I love this, this was so well put together and funny! plus you sound so enthusiastic! Definitely subscribing :)
Well thanks!! (
Farosh is a spirit that takes the form of a dragon so I don't know if the "reptiles growing all their lives" really works here...
I would've needed 5 joints to figure this out little alone seeing claw marks on the tree at lake hylia rearrange and flip the map and everything else pinpointed. Interesting very nicely done.
Have you ever wondered-
Me: *No.*
The wolfos that pops up on the other island
The claw marks seem a bit too big for a wolfos
Yeah as a kid always assumed it was the wolfos
It was the wolfos those claw marks was it's training spot, my boi wolfos was training to be the very best wolfos like no one ever was. Then eventually link stumbled upon the island, wolfos thought he was ready and then he was killed by Link.... Apparently my boi Wolfos wasn't ready yet...
"Im gonna take you back to your childhood. Ocarina of time."
people who are still in childhood: so are you gonna take me back anywhere or-
actually i remember the "paintings" on the water temple walls, and there is one on the center of the boss room (or maybe it was other room, i cant remember xd but i do remember the wall) that looks almost exactly like farosh, like he was the one who should be in that room, but i think that wall design is on the 3ds remaster. i'm kind of shocked he didn't show it here.
I personally noticed the scratch and didn’t think much of it at the time. Pretty solid theory, great video. You had me throughout the entire thing, which isn’t easy to do.
Farosh
Dinrall
Abd naydra
Are the three golden goddesses.
Its literally in their name
I think they are more like the dragons from Skyward Sword. They are not the goddesses themselves, but are representatives of them and have similar names
They were named after them. They arent the goddesses themselves. Actually I'm pretty sure that when you go to help Naydra theres even a bit of dialogue that talks about how HE is being effected by the calamity
"What to do when you're depre..."
Lmfaooooo same. You okay Bandit?
Thank you!!! I thought I was crazy for seeing the scratches and couldnt figure out why they were there
Subscribed, let's see how you grow in future!
Same
Ash: I choose you, Charizard!
Link: I choose you, dodongo!
Link: hmm no dodongo showed well uh, I guess I choose me.
Ash: you can't fight Charizard, you'll be killed
Link: pulls sword from sheath and walks towards Charizard.
Ash: fine if this is how you wanna do things I'll teach you a lesson.
Nurse joy: So how may I help you today
Ash crying: please reattach Charizards tail
Yo. Thank you, I've had this question in my head for several decades now.
You freakin rock, I hope you keep growing because you got another sub.
Appreciate it so so much im gonna binge your vids now on all my days off. :)
haha, I will now and forever call Farosh the "large flying zappy snake friend"
I was always curious about this! Subscribed