When Zelda Tried to Save the World (Ocarina of Time Theory)
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- Sometimes, we have no choice but to make a choice; and it comes to the beloved Princess Zelda from the Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, she really was stuck between a rock and a hard place! Could this be the reason behind the flooding of Hyrule in the events between Ocarina of Time and the Wind Waker? Join me as we discuss this topic regarding the Adult Timeline in depth!
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Which iteration of Princess Zelda is your favorite?
Ok
MaskedNintendoBandit when you first meet her in ocrena of time!
Zelda 2: The adventure of Link
Breath of the Wild
Twilight princess zelda is my favorite or breath of the wild but with the short hair.
When the Hero of Time touched the Master Sword, Fi deemed him too young to save the world. When the Hero of the Winds touched the Master Sword, Fi deemed his spirit immediately worthy. And they were about the same age, right? WW's Link was a badass kid, dude.
There someone (I legit can't remember who it was, sorry) who put out a theory that much like Hylia and the triforce, Demise had access to an inverted triforce, and that the timeline split was deliberately set up by her and the Shiekah in order to split the inverted triforce over the three timelines to weaken Demise, who as far as we know is still sealed inside the master sword, and being held back by Fi. And that the 7 year gap between the adult and child timelines were on purpose - something that didn't happen to any other Link throughout Hyrule's history.
Not to discount the Hero of Winds though. Kid absolutely was a badass.
In game it states that the hero of winds is the same age as the hero of time, as explained by link's grandmother. When boys turn the age of the hero of time, they wear a green tunic for the day. Obviously, they are referring to the 16 year old hero of time in the adult timeline. While the hero of winds looks way younger than the hero of time, that is due to the art style. The link from triforce heroes, who looks very young, is the same link from albw, who looks older despite the fact that triforce heroes takes place after albw.
In wind waker they say that Fi was powerless, she didn't had any power left to act, because of that they neded to do the ritual to restore her power.
That means that fi was comatose or mode off.
@@andresbarquin I'm pretty sure somewhere it says toon link is 12
@@IheardPancakes "It is the day that you become the *same age* as the young hero spoken of in all the legends." This was stated by link's grandmother at the very beginning of the game.
Edit: forgot to mention, the hero of time depicted in the opening of the game also looks very young due to the art style.
Let's not forget that the hero of wind had to ring the bell in the tower of the gods to be accepted as "the hero" by the gods! Him making him the new hero himself despite not being born as such is IN THE GAME
There is nothing in the game that says he was not born as the Hero. If he had not been born as the Hero, then he would have had to undergo the same purification rituals that the Hero of the Skies underwent, but no such a thing happened.
@@angelmendez-rivera351 hero of sky went through those trials to empowered the skyward sword and turn it into the master as well as prepping him for use of the triforce. Wind waker link doesn't need to empower the master sword, just needs to find it, and he doesn't need to use the triforce, also just needs to find it. In finding these things and surviving the impossible he earned his way as a new hero whether he had the soul of the hero or not, he was getting tested as every hero before him, he doesn't need to go through what the hero of the sky went through because their goals are different.
@@GuyIllusion You literally just proved my point: the Hero of the Winds was an incarnation of the Spirit of the Hero, a metaphysical, abstract concept-bundle of the qualities that make someone a Hero. This has to be obviously the case, since otherwise, he would not have been able to wield the Master Sword at all.
@@angelmendez-rivera351 You didn't see the video?, the master sword accepted Link of WW because he showed to have great courage, not because he has the spirit of the hero
@@jacky9575 Having great courage IS part of what it means to be an incarnation of the Spirit of the Hero. That's the point
Ocarina of Time Zelda pretty much lived with regrets, like the Hero of Time. She could not stop Ganondorf as a child and her plan actually got him into the Sacred Realm to steal the Triforce.
In one timeline the Hero dies and she has to live with that and a broken kingdom for the rest of her life. In another she inadvertently causes it's near destruction, flood, and the complete annihilation of Hyrule.
In the timeline where Ganondorf is prematurely dealt with, she still ends up helping to cause a war that gets the capital of Hyrule destroyed, a family's ranch and livelyhood burnt to cinders, and an entire race exiled and almost completely exterminated, which would have been the second one next to the Shiekah in a span of only about 20 years or so.
She was one who lived in constant failure, like another Hylian princess we know...
Who?
@@mysticranger6894 Botw Zelda, But now that I think about it, it also sounds like Hilda (but alas, she is from Lorule).
It was all unintentional 'cuz she never wanted them consequences. Canonically, Link didn't die in the last battle. He won against Ganondorf twice, got sent back to the past, warned the Zelda in the past, warned the Royal Family (which unintentionally caused the war), went to the woods where he found the way to Termina while chasin' the Skull Kid, helped the folks livin' in Termina with Tatl also helpin' out, defeated Majora's Mask after freein' the Four Giants, an' saved that parallel world from the evil, with the Skull Kid also bein' saved. At the same time, the war was still bein' fought. Maybe after 7 years, the war was won with some of the Gerudo bein' exiled with the others bein' executed as capital punishment. Ganondorf was sentenced to be executed, but the execution failed 'cuz Sage Zelda sendin' Link an' Navi back to the past created a pardox, caused the Triforce in the past ta split into 3 triangles like its future counterpart, AND gave the Gerudo thief the Triforce of Power (which WAS unintentional fer Zelda). After he murdered the Sage of Water, he got sent to the Twilight Realm by the other sages as he was turnin' into Ganon (the tusks in his mouth could indicate that the he WAS gonna transform into Ganon). He wondered what was goin' on. He was unpleasantly surprised by this. He screamed with anger, hate (the hate born from pride, envy, jealousy, an' the wicked plot's exposure, not fear), an' agony when he realized that he was bein' sucked in by the portal made by the mirror shinin' on the boulder. That was the Mirror of Twilight. Maybe after Ganondorf's banishment, Link came back to a ruined Hyrule (like in the future). He was shocked again. He was hurt again. He was devastated again. In the past that led to the future timeline, Link AND Zelda had the plan ta stop Ganondorf, but their plan really helped his scheme in the future timeline. They was so ignorant of the consequences that they decided on gettin' the Master Sword an' the Triforce (when their 10-year-old minds didn't know better). They was so naive that they thought they was gonna become the heroes (which they did, but now without 7 years of the oppression). Understandable kid behavior 'cuz they wasn't mature enough ta really know what was goin' on, 'cept fer Ganondorf bein' up to somethin' (AND the legend of the Triforce). Ganondorf knew about their plan from the get-go. Fi put Link ta sleep fer 7 years 'cuz she wanted 'im to be old enough ta use the sacred sword, so he could strong enough ta really handle it. Their plan was really helpin' the thief get a part of the Golden Power (he used Link ta get the Triforce of Power by lettin' him get the Master Sword). Then Ganondorf became the Demon King who ruled fer 7 years with NO concern fer the land or the the folks livin' there! The 7 years ended. Link was devastated when he saw Hyrule's ruined state (which he was partially responsible fer when he pulled the sword outta the pedestal, even when he never meant ta really cause it). Link an' Navi helped Saria, Darunia, Ruto, Impa, AND Nabooru while Zelda was keepin' a low profile as Sheik. Link met her again a few times 'fore he helped 'em out with the monsters (which he didn't know yet 'cuz Zelda was in disguise the entire time). Then he met her again, but this time, the real identity was shown (which Ganondorf was waitin' fer). Link lifted the barrier by shootin' the cores with the Light Arrows she'd given 'im, fought his way to the top, defeated Ganondorf, an' saved Zelda from her imprisonment. They escaped from the castle just in time as it was collapsin'. An' then they won against Ganondorf together after he turned into Ganon. Maybe Ganondorf was sealed in the Dark World fer 10 years or a few more decades before the time he broke out (Demise's hate was so strong that Ganondorf could break outta his prison in the Dark World after a few years or decades). All these things wound up bein' the fulfillment of the prophecy that was part of how the Temple of Time was built. Link pullin' out the Master Sword, lettin' Ganondorf get the Triforce of Power, sleepin' fer 7 years, helpin' the sages, defeatin' Ganondorf twice ta make up fer his mistake, AND survivin' the last battle. It was all part of the prophecy that predicted Link, Navi, an' Zelda's victory over Ganon (which WAS essential so the world could be saved from Demise's Curse again, even fer a short time involvin' 10 years or a few more decades). AND it's 'cuz destiny says so. She regretfully admitted that the tragedy was her doin'. She explained that it was caused by her naivete AND her ignorance of the consequences of tryna control the Sacred Land (she was 10 years old at that time, so her brain wasn't mature enough ta really know the consequences till she grew up). Sendin' Link an' Navi back to the past was hard fer all of 'em. It meant that the Hyrule in the past could be prevented from bein' taken over the same way that the Hyrule in the future was. Think that it led to the events in Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess, Link's Crossbow Training, Four Swords, Four Swords Adventures, A Link to the Past, Link's Awakening, Ancient Stone Tablets, Oracle of Seasons, Oracle of Ages, A Link Between Worlds, Triforce Heroes, The Legend of Zelda, The Adventure of Link, AND Breath of the Wild. Maybe The Wind Waker (which was 900 years after the powers flooded the world of Hyrule), Phantom Hourglass (some time after The Wind Waker happened), AND Spirit Tracks was happenin' in the future timeline hundreds of years after Twilight Princess (when Link the Hero of Twilight killed Ganondorf in battle ta save the 2 worlds), Link's Crossbow Training (with the battles after dealin' with the Dark Lord), Four Swords (hundreds o' years after Twilight Princess), Four Swords Adventures (a few years after Four Swords), A Link to the Past (hundreds o' years after Four Swords Adventures with the map bein' almost identical), Link's Awakening (some time after A Link to the Past), Ancient Stone Tablets (which was 6 years after A Link to the Past), Oracle of Seasons (many years after A Link to the Past), Oracle of Ages (which could be after Oracle of Seasons, like in the order of the manga), and A Link Between Worlds (which was generations after A Link to the Past) happened in the past timeline. But sendin' Link an' Navi back meant erasin' the original Spirit of the Hero (heroic determination) from the Adult Timeline forever so that a new Spirit of the Hero (a new heroic personality replacin' the original that was totes erased) could replace it, which allowed The Wind Waker Link ta live as his own person with the selfless choices makin' HIM the new hero (not just rescuin' his lil' sis, but the entire world from Ganondorf), even without bein' chosen by the Golden Sisters first. They was so impressed that they chose him when he proved 'imself worthy by completin' the trial at the Tower of the Gods, ringin' the bell, helpin' other folks with their probs, restorin' the Master Sword's power with help from Medli and Makar, an' then collectin' all 8 pieces of the Triforce of Courage with Tingle's help in decipherin' the Triforce charts (with Courage bein' the most important triangle 'cuz real courage symbolizes the Spirit of Love). Even the Master Sword and Fi was choosin' him 'cuz he had the heart of a REAL hero (love, compassion, kindness, selflessness, AND the determination to help others with their probs when he saw that there was more to it than rescuin' his sis), even when he wasn't chosen first. Why do I got feelin' that A Link to the Past happened long after Four Swords Adventures? Not just 'cuz of the map bein' almost identical, but 'cuz of Ganondorf breakin' outta the Four Sword, stealin' it from the Four Sword Sanctuary, gatherin' the greedy followers, leadin' 'em to the Sacred Realm, endin' their lives with mass murder in the Sacred Realm when they was fightin' over the Triforce, gettin' the Golden Power (with all 3 pieces), and makin' the wish that turned the Sacred Realm into the Dark World. Which means Ocarina of Time's story repeatin' itself, but in the past timeline where Ocarina of Time was mostly prevented from happenin' ('cept the Deku Tree bein' dead, the Spiritual Stones bein' on the altar, the Door of Time bein' open, an' Ganondorf's attack destroyin' the castle, the town, the ranch, AND the windmill bein' burned to the ground). He also broke the Four Sword into 4 fragments. Then he placed all 4 fragments in 4 separate pedestals. All them pedestals was in the Palace of the Four Sword. So I'd say that the GBA version of A Link to the Past could be the most canonically correct form, 'cuz Ganon still had the trident he stole from the pyramid in Four Swords Adventures, killed the followers he led to the Sacred Land, got the full Triforce, made a wish ta rule the world, made the Sacred Land into the Demon World, broke the Four Sword into 4 pieces, put 'em in 4 separate pedestals in the Palace of the Four Sword, AND recruited more followers ta join his army. The "downfall" was a what-if scenario. A thing that shows that there WAS no guarantee that he'd succeed. The Hyrule Historia's so wrong about so many things.
@@truelionofhylia8437 this paragraph was so long I couldn't concentrate on reading it all
@@truelionofhylia8437 can I do a vid about it?
I like how this theory gives another meaning to the three timelines. The fallen timeline is the Ganondorf timeline, the child timeline is the Link timeline, and the adult timeline is the Zelda timeline.
this makes sense and it's kinda confirmed, In the original japanese version of the game when King Daphness talks to link about the hero of time and his absence, he literally says that the hero completely vanished due to a time travel.
(This is gonna be long and rambling, sorry >.
If Link becomes terrified of losing things and then grows to stay somewhere he's most comfortable, how much does that explain about his return to Hyrule after Majora's Mask?
You were NOT kidding about that being long.
@@chaoscontroller316 Good question, to which I don't have a good answer. According to Hyrule Encyclopedia, Termina is a temporary fantasy world, dreamt up by a Skull Kid under Majora's influence, based off of Skull Kid's experiences in the real world of Hyrule and constructed from his memories and delusions. One that only lasts as long as Majora’s power does. Once Majora if defeated, the Land of Termina fades. I personally don't like this explanation at all, because 1) the (basically) "it's just a dream" cop-out somewhat takes away the impact of the story and 2) Hyrule Encyclopedia is just straight up wrong about kind of a lot of things, so its canonicity is questionable. Encyclopedia writes of the Hero's fate, after MM, "He saves Termina [...] but no record of his deeds after remains." How convenient...
Another explanation would be that Link left Termina and returned to Hyrule to continue the his search for his lost fairy partner, Navi. After an undefined period of not finding her, he eventually settles down and has offspring.
I love this. A lot
It's a complete misjudgement of Link's character to think he wanted glory.
Zelda attempted to give him back his childhood. Neither of them could have known what would happen in a future Hyrule.
I love how you emphasize the fact that W. W. Link is just a child, and yet his courage is as great as The hero of time's. I think it's something to keep in mind.
Garred van Claymore Well the hero of time was a 9 year old that skipped ahead 7 years.
They are the same age. Literally the first thing the game tells you.
WW Link is the same age as adult OoT Link.
@@JPARnum1 when link started his journal I believe
@@Freelancer837 I've heard that, but 16 just seems so old for Toon Link. Then again, the depressed guy, Kamo is 18, and looks young, too. So idk.
This is exactly why I always liked wind waker link. Not some prophesied hero with success all but guaranteed by fate or the gods. But just some kid who really wanted to stab a bird and ended up saving the world along the way
All the better he got to crush said bird with a comically large hammer with INTENT.
@@josefarias5216 *Big bird steals links sister*
toon link: Thats it Im getting me Mallet..
But the prophesied hero is reborn because of a curse by a demon not the goddesses.
@@tsemiu but the curse was made by what exactly..? What gave the power to create said curse? If i recall its demise but who or what created demise? Alternatively where do the goddesses come from? Who or what created them?
Best Zelda Game. Still.
I'd like to also state that, because he's not connected to the Hero of Time or any of the original line of heroes in any way, that this is why Ganondorf is seemingly more contemplative and less evil in this timeline. The curse of Demise specifically requires both the bloodline of the Goddess and The Hero for his malice to awaken and take revenge...but that's not here now. When The Hero of Time returned to his original time, the curse was, for all intents and purposes, broken. It's why Ganondorf never turns into Ganon, it's why he SPARED Link repeatedly and had no intention of killing him or Zelda...it's why he felt sympathy for his previous actions and wanted to bring Hyrule back, trying to realize his original dream...before the curse corrupted it...and it's why he's able to final he put to rest. There is no longer a hero...and no longer a force to resurrect him. He can finally be at peace, no longer a pawn of Demise.
Brah, no! No wonder Demise is so successful! He pulled the biggest troll move in fictional media history and now they can't get rid of him. I hate Demise. I hope he rolls in his grave for all eternity one day and never returns, breaking the curse forever..
I feel Wind Waker Link's accomplishments also tied him to the spirit of the hero in other timelines by his actions alone. This Link not only restored the Master Sword's full power but also reassembled the Triforce of Courage (which accepted him as its chosen wielder upon its completion). I'd say that will and drive to accomplish the impossible probably earned him the right to bear the hero's spirit in the adult timeline.
Then again, it could also be another plan by Hylia or part of Demise's curse. The Demon King did say that his hate would plague all who bore the blood of the goddess and spirit of the hero. Not to mention the Link and Zelda do keep meeting each other whenever great evil threatens the world. Chosen hero or not, it still feels like there is some divine intervention at play to make sure all the timelines don't come crashing down.
And Hylia was shown to be one to plan for things in the long term.
"In much wisdom, comes much grief. And that he that increaseth knowledge, increaseth sorrow."
Is that a Bible quote?
@@lukejones7164 yes
I'm so happy that people start to realise these obscure Zelda lore instead of just saying "Nintendo doesn't care about Zelda story and nothing makes sense bla bla bla"
I prefer to look at each Zelda game as it’s own story separate from all the others makes it more simple that way.
Yup it's likely the king had countermeasures against Ganondorf after hearing his daughter's prophecy yet she took matters into her own hands and nearly doomed all of hyrule.
Most of the times Link is only a regular boy until he accepts the call for adventure.
I had no idea that you could read ancient Hylian in Wind Waker hero mode!
@Zachary Erickson before the HD remakes popularized a menu toggle, Hero Mode was unlocked when you beat the game then restarted the game on the same file. So you're both right lol The only changes were
1. Making the Hero's clothes invisible
2. The handful of lines of Ancient Hylian is translated
3. You retain any colored photos you have from your previous run, giving you the Pictobox immediately and allowing you to log Ganondorf in the figurine shop.
If you don't have any photos when you beat/restart the game, the colored pictobox will be in Tingle's Cell rather than the normal one, negating the need to upgrade it
Zeldalina I didn’t either!
When zelda beat up link in smash...
That side special 😵😵
*Laughs in down B*
What situation has this ever happened in?
@@spyrofrost9158 in smash bros zelda has a parry/deflect ability that if used on an opponents heavy attack (i.e links hard swing) it can insta kill lol
Spyro Frost she wants the protagonism.
OMG TIME STAMP 8:20 that is the exact smile Botw Zelda gave during the true ending!!!!!!! Please like that Nintendo Black Crises can really know the truth behind Zeldas ending smile!
This isn't Nintendo black crisis, it's masked nintendo bandit.....
But it's nice to know im not the only one who found it.
Okay so as far as the question of “Does the Hero Of Winds have the spirit of the hero?” goes, I feel like there’s something that needs to be taken into account. Yes, Jabun, the Deku Tree and even The King Of Red Lions thinks that the Hero Of Winds isn’t the Hero reborn, there’s one person who’s very important who DOES. Ganondorf himself, the one person who not only has a connection to the spirit of the hero and the heir of the goddess, but also who would have the best understanding of that connection. Ganondorf states that the Hero Of Winds is the Hero reborn. I’m not sure how that would work but maybe the rebirth of the hero isn’t a normal reincarnation, after all, how could the Hero Of Time appear to the Hero Of Twilight if his soul had already been reborn as the Hero Of Twilight. It’s more likely that heroes are born naturally and born with the strength and courage to fulfill their destiny as hero. As for why the gods flooded Hyrule instead of having a Hero stop Ganondorf, I think it’s because Ganondorf came back before a new Hero could be born and come of age to defeat him. Ganondorf was supposed to be sealed away, that incarnation of demise was supposed to be neutralized and if he did break free it would surely be years later and a new hero could be born in the meantime, but he broke out too soon for that to happen.
I have my own theory for why the hero reincarnated late. I think, after OoT Zelda sent the Hero of Time back there where two Links in the Child Timeline. While we do not know, what Child Timeline's original Link did, the Hero of Time became the Hero's Spirit from TP, where he trained Child Timeline's Link's reincarnation (aka Twilight Link). Because he was still there, he couldn't be reincarnated in time for Ganondorfs return in his own timeline. After he finished training his descendant, he finally went on to the afterlife and could be reborn as the Hero of Wind.
Caterina Peche Ooh, I like that theory.
@@connerkline6269 I just assumed there was actually a Hero of the Flood who had no choice but to flood and seal hyrule with some help from the gods. I mean with the sages dead the Master Sword would've lost it's power at some point probably during the final battle.
but hey thats just a theory a game theory and cut #matpat
Conner Kline
I actually said the same thing a little while ago, but I can’t find my comment anymore. Another glaring issue though is the matter of the Hero Defeated timeline. Is there no hero in that timeline either? From this POV, there can only be one spirit of the hero, and it is not passed around timelines, meaning that there is no spirit of the hero in 2 of the three timelines. Then when we get to BOTW, which is supposed to be a rejoining of the timelines, does that mean that the Hero of the Wild is 1/3 the spirit of the hero?
I fail to see how this is Zelda’s fault.... it would be more of a Goddesses issue. Zelda is merely a pawn in the grand scheme of things and her power is from the Goddesses anyway. Spiritual stone = Goddess’s spirit
They should have destroyed the Demon king during the Skyward Sword timeline and because they didn’t, Zelda has take matters into her own hands.
Zelda decided to send Link back to when he was a kid because she felt guilty of asking him to complete the quest in the first place. Without her feeling of guilt the child timeline wouldn't have existed and the spirit of the hero would probably have returned which would mean the goddesses wouldn't have needed the flood the land. As for Demise he was indeed kille by SS Link but he cursed Link and Zelda which is why an incarnation of his evil returns time and time again
They did destroy the Demon King, but he cursed them lmao, then his evil intent was reincarnated into ganondorf and maybe vatti idk.
I think its more of a Hylia issue. Zelda, Tetra, and Sheik are pretty badass on their own. Its Hylia who is the load in the relationship.
@Manek Iridius Im pretty sure that was partially the reason Fi returned to the sword. However the main reason was because she had simply completed the task she was made for
And who might've sent her those prophetic dreams in the first place?
Sure, it could've been some sixth sense, or maybe it was the will of the godesses
One gripe.
Zelda's plan didn't involve getting the Master Sword. It involved getting the Triforce before Ganondorf could.
Guess you could associate each timeline split to a different Triforce wielder at this point, Ganon's timeline where he succeeds, Link's timeline where he saves his future & Zelda's timeline where she doomed the future for at least 7 years.
Yes YES *OCARINA OF TIME*
What
im confusion
This meant a 3rd Video Game World War gets to a Nightmarish beginning
I love it. I've been saying it for years that the link of Wind Waker was not an incarnation of the Hero, and I keep hearing about the spirit of the was in the Hero of Winds with no way to rebuttal their claims. This Theory works with my idea perfectly. Thanks MNB.
So we can assumed that the Skyward Sword Link (the original Hero of Time) is the same spirit through all the Zelda Child timeline and The fallen Timeline, but a new spirit was claimed to rise in the Adult Timeline. Great video, man. Greetings from El Salvador.
Probably. The spirit of the hero is a touchy subject
I love how this applies to your fixed timeline video! I think this demonstrates how Zelda impacted us having 3 timelines rather than 2.
My oh my, those are my Tweets at the end of the video
Thanks man! It was always something I wondered about ever since I was a wee lad
Thank you for your work and dedication!
Thank you for your support :)
I dont follow many Zelda Theorists, but between this and the 2nd Master Sword vid... you sir, have earned a sub! So good!
8:50
Well he didnt technically recieve all the glory because he was sent back to being a child and no one remembered him saving the word
So yeah he did get recieve the glory but he never knew about it
(same in majoras mask)
And also great video :)
I did always love that he forces the gods to acknowledge him to be honest even back in the day
This makes sense too why their really isn't any "newer" games for the adult timeline. I know that the child timeline hasn't had any new games too, but the adult timeline still has a lot of potential for future games with its new world. It's just that it's hard to make a classic Zelda story with the gods and triforce when they literally left it.
Isnt breath of wild in child timeline?
@@mysticranger6894 Botw has no official timeline placement. It is implied that Nintendo wanted a fresh start of a Zelda game from the timeline so they made it so it doesn't just fit one timeline. Plus there is a massive amount of references to games from all timelines that it is pretty much impossible to place on one timeline
@@portal6884 Maybe it is a new 4th timeline, where events from many games occured in some way. But I think child due to sequel having Ganon return
@@mysticranger6894 MatPat has a theory on where BotW fits, its interesting
Majoras mask, twilight princess, is games, and obviously botw. Nintendo wont say anything about its placement nor have they implied it's a fresh start.
the Windwaker Link is literally the most badass Link, because he's not some appointed hero by spirit, it's just that Ganondorf has pissed off the wrong child.
Okay, I know this sounds really strange but when I was younger & played OoT I thought what happened at the end of the game was that after defeating Ganon & sealing him away in the evil realm Zelda used the OoT to undo all of the damage that Ganondorf did to the world & made Hyrule like it was during Link's childhood before he pulled out the Master Sword (which is when Ganondorf's rampage began) so everything was like how it was with a few exceptions & everyone had their memories of what happened
So except that Nintendo had officially came out with a timeline my headcanon has always been that there is only one Timeline
A spirit is a spirit, maybe it can JUMP from TL to TL - no reason not to be able to, the Hero of Time isn't the Hero of the Sky yet they share the same hero spirit.
Also, Zelda from BoTW freaking KNEW the Sheika Slate was to be used by Link - who already had the Mastersword - to enter the shrine. She was in front of a shrine, with the slate, Link showed up, but NOOOOOOOOOOO, she just could not give him the slate and tell him to try and open the shrine, if SHE could not make it open for HER then it would just sit there until SHE found a work around and had a hissy fit about needing a babysitter - no wonder she got no connection with Naydra, no wisdom there, just chasing raw facts, raw knowledge with no connection to the people and how it affected them. If Link had had training from the shrines maybe the battle of Hateno would not have been so miserable.
I believe this theory. The spirit can jump from timeline to timeline as you said. Because In the defeated timeline Link dies. So this splits it to the third timeline. There is now two timelines where the hero’s spirit continues to fight Ganon. This third timeline, the adult timeline, I believe the hero’s spirit managed to find it’s way back. And these trials are there to prove this is him. We all forgot that when you stab Ganondorf in the head he says: “You are him.. reborn.” Also we cant forget about Demise’s curse. They are forced an eternal cycle of reincarnations. That’s why I also believe Malladus is just Ganondorf or Demise’s reincarnation.
I also would like to add while the King of the Red Lions, the Great Deku Tree and Jabun say it’s not the Hero or Time, I think they really don’t know exactly what they are looking for. The Great Deku tree was just a sapling. He probably doesn’t remember much. Red Lion and Jabun wasn’t there during the OoT events. They are descendants of the people who were there.
I think they were actually looking for the “Hero of Time” or OoT Link. They were probably literally looking for the hero who “Traveled through time” to save them again just like the legends and not knowing about Demise’s curse and the spirit of the hero.
At least this is my interpretation of what went on in Wind Waker.
Yeah but the Hero of Time and Sky are in the same timeline
Thomas Pereira Yes they are.
@@thomaspereira1545 Yeah but the spirit of hero doesn't just leave a timeline because the one who had it leaves. The whole point of the curse was basically for demise to have a rematch with the hero and goddess/princess. They're forced to reincarnate regardless of what happens.
I still can't get over how Majora's mask seemed to be showing what link could have been to zelda, if she were malevolent. Think of how Link gets caught up into Zelda's affairs, then reflect that with how The skull kid finds Majora's mask, and gets involved with that moon about to fall...
This is probably my favorite video of yours so far great job
Zelda: *accidentally dooms Hyrule*
Zelda: ...did I do that? *cute face*
😂😂😂❤
Anybody with a time machine: “Hey let’s fuck around with the very fabric of reality. What could go wrong?”
Honestly though I understand the temptation.
Something I think you missed though, was immediately after the puppet Ganon fight, Ganon says something like, “there is no doubt that you are the hero of time, reborn”. Are you saying that statement is completely wrong?
Anonymous Person finally i’ve been waiting for someone to say this
Well, yeah. The hero of time isn't there anymore. Ganondorf most likely mistook The Hero of Winds for The Hero of Time. Or at the very least, acknowledged The Hero of Winds to be equals with The Hero of Time. Since he would not be the first one in the game to mistake The Hero of Winds for The Hero of Time.
Mr. Cheese
Everyone in the game who mistook him for the hero of time thought he was legitimately the hero of time. But Ganon was different in the sense that he said that the hero of winds was the hero of time “reborn”. No one else said that. And the whole reincarnation thing was how Link was able to make it to each timeline, and Ganon recognizes that.
@@anonymousperson1706 Yes, but that's the thing. The Hero of Winds is not The Hero of Time, as the Reincarnated Hero no longer exists in the Adult timeline. When he said "reborn", he most likely meant that in the sense of acknowledging The Hero of Winds as an equal to The Hero of Time, despite not being a reincarnation of the hero.
Mr. Cheese
I guess that’s a point of contention, because you and I clearly interpret “reborn” differently. To each his own, I suppose. The only way to solve this would be to ask Nintendo, but it’s not like the timeline doesn’t have any plot holes. They probably don’t know either.
I love how everyone states that the gods are omnipotent but my theory is that there are no gods in loz and the rain that flooded hyrule was just a big ol' song of storms 8-)
Windmill guy finally stopped playing allowing the songs effect to occur. But he did it for over 10 (Assuming Ganon appears maybe 5 years after OOT) and it backed up.
@@zacross8504 xD
I believe the curse of Demise could be broken by using the Triforce to become a god yourself and destroying the remnants of Demise from Hyrule and since the gods don't care about Hyrule you might as well take responsibility for Hyrule yourself and break the cycle once and for all and make a eternal kingdom under your own rule. Become the most High ascend above the clouds to break the cycle of Demise once and for all.
I had doubts until one thing I realized that you didn't mention. Perhaps that is why the master sword had to be pseudo powered by sages. The spirit of the sword and the spirit of the hero are connected indefinitely.
Perhaps when Link left the time line it caused the sword to loose its power... Cause in no other game is the master sword powered by the prayer of sages...
here is a theory. there is no such thing as the spirit of the hero. but there is such thing as a spirit of the master sword who chooses the one who shows amazing courage and selflessness (and is preferably named Link)
***Whole Zelda timeline crumbles at this statement***
Damn I didn't think about how much the windwaker connects to the hero of time so if Zelda didn't send Link back to relive his 7 years Hyrule in the adult timeline wouldn't have gotten flooded.
I agree that the Link in WindWaker is not a descendant of the Hero. He is just a boy who was garbed in green, as is tradition when boys in the Wind Waker turn a certain age. I think maybe there was supposed to be some sort of coming of age ceremony (but I don't think this is actually true) and then when the ceremony was over the boy would go back to wearing their regular clothes?
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That could be plausible since if you beat windwaker you can play in link's regular clothes instead of the hero's garb.
@@Digitalhdwmn I was not aware of this! Wow that's a super neat detail! Thanks for the information :3
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Great theory! At 3:20 you referred to link as her, and you have mastered the trait of making mistakes funny! Not many other TH-camrs can do that
Thanks for pointing out Zelda in the opening sequence, I didn't even notice she had a top half until you brought it to my attention!
Holy shit.
This has credence. Probably the best theory I’ve seen in a long time.
10/10
I never thought of it that way. Great video!
2:34 Oof
I still have a problem with the three timelines that split from OoT. The game has ONE canonical ending: Zelda sends Link back in time. That's it. If the game had three possible endings, then that'd be different.
However, with the time travel, one could assume a multiverse split, allowing both the child and adult timelines to co-exist, but there's a problem with that. Things you do as a child can affect the future, and that shouldn't happen with a multiverse split. If it was really a multiverse, then EVERY time Link went back to the child time, he would be causing a new split each time he altered something (Back to the Future style).
Even if we assume that there are really two timelines, and that because of the time traveling, Zelda and Ganon exist in both, but Link was removed from one, then why is there a third timeline? The third is supposedly "the hero was defeated." However, if that's true, then why doesn't EVERY game cause a timeline split to occur because the hero could have been defeated? Also, why isn't there a fourth timeline one where the hero is defeated as a child and one where he's defeated as an adult? While we're at it, why isn't there a fifth timeline, one where Zelda doesn't escape from Ganon as a child and doesn't get to give Link the ocarina? Because it didn't happen in the game! Zelda DOES escape, Link DOES get the ocarina, Link ISN'T defeated!
Also, if Skyward Sword is the beginning of the timeline, OoT splits it into three, and BotW possibly is a sort of merging of the timelines, or at least a possible future that could fit in all three or something, then why isn't the goddess Hylia mentioned in any games before SS? Why are the three goddesses basically pushed aside and pretty much forgotten? Because SS tells a new story, one about Hylia being reincarnated as Zelda, Demise starts this cycle binding him to Link and Zelda. I think SS isn't the beginning of THE timeline, it's a Reboot, an all new timeline.
Even the timeline in Hyrule Historia has been changed some since its release, not just with the inclusion of new games, but also some previous games have changed positions in the timeline. In other words, Nintendo hasn't set this in stone. They are willing to change the "timeline" to fit with their changing views as new games are released. I kinda feel like some games, the ones which directly reference previous games, are direct sequels, but other games exist in their own little stories.
I personally believe that the LoZ timeline is nothing. The reason the timeline was made is because the fans wanted connections for each game. This is why I dont like the topics of the timeline since it's confusing and bonkers. Ig it would be cool if certain games had certain connections, but I personally think that a timeline was never decided from Nintendo in the first place. They only made the timeline for the fans. I personally never wanted one. I believe that the "connections to games" is just fun easter eggs Nintendo puts to symbolize their past games. Nintendo is actually known to do that. I just like the games for what they are, not this connection hocus pocus stuff lol
Looking at it, WW Link is the most similar to the original hero in or before SS. Neither were anyone special on their own, but they persevered fighting evil anyway. Through their trials and struggles, they tempered their spirit to the point where the gods and their great evils were forced to acknowledge them as worthy of being the embodiment of a hero.
I know there is the line: ‘he has no connection to the Hero of Time’ (or something similar) in Wind Waker, but I always found it strange that no one could definitely rule out some link in the bloodline between the Hero of Time and Hero of Winds without a DNA test! Haha!
I’m not necessarily suggesting that the two are (or were intended to be) distant relatives, but I like how the game makes this sort of hypothesis ambiguous.
I forget the channel at the moment, but there's a LoZ channel that's creating a miniseries focused on the Hero of Time after the events of Majora's Mask. He returns to quell Ganon again and it's written so well
Could make sense a bit, but they say that this is not the hero of time, but the spirit of the hero is more of a name than a literal spirit
Well there is a video in spanish that explains how it makes a little bit more of sense, he explains that the master sword has never lost the ability to destroy evil, even if it has been abandoned for a long time the most that happened is that it lost strenght, but now they tell us that we need people praying for it so it can defeat evil, something that is not true, in Skyward sword we see that the ability to defeat evil is because it was made by fussing the three flames, the blessing of hylia and it also involved the soul of the hero, because he make it, but without that soul, the bond broke, and it lost it's power, and if you pay attention the queen of fairies resembles fi and she says that link is her type, maybe because of his previous masters, and she is out of the sword, because the bond was broken
Great video - of course I always love Wind Waker content. I've always appreciated how much the Hero of Winds had to prove himself, while Link in TP was chosen by the Gods (and Midna and Zelda), and the Link in OoT was thrust into his destiny as soon as his mother brought him to the Kokiri Forest. The Link in Wind Waker was only wearing the Green Tunic as, essentially, as a costume, and yet he ultimately totally embodied what it meant to be a hero.
That's something that's always struck me.
Masked Nintendo Bandit, I saw this video 1 month after posting my theory video on why the Hero of Time never came, and freaked thinking they were the same! Thankfully while the titles are similar and the videos are similar my conclusion is different. Good to know others think the same way I do! Great theory and I’m glad I didn’t copy you! You are an inspiration!
Idk if I’d call this a theory as much as an explanation. I thought ww think being a different soul than that of original link was common knowledge. Some people could argue his name, appearance, and left handedness, but that’s actually easily explained. 1.) boys were commonly named link to celebrate and honor the hero of time, 2.) appearance dosent really matter for the hero since he’s looked different every incarnation, sometimes blonde or brunette and his facial appearance is usually different, the reason he looks similar at all is he just looks hylian and the hero’s soul does sometimes reincarnates as dependents of previous heroes, ie oot link and tp link . 3.) links lefthandedness is also probably just a simple coincidence, for one not all links are left handed, as said earlier some links are decedents so that has more of an effect on that than the soul of the hero. Also left handedness could simply be common among hylians.
I didn't need more reasons to love Wind Waker, but knowing the hero of winds is just a normal person who went to great lengths to save his sister is sure one more reason to love it
I belive in another theory. It wasn't the gods that flood Hyrule, but instead the king using the wish from the triforce. I do belive that there was a war like in ALttP, but this time the king use the triforce to stop Ganon, a wish that make Hyrule flooded, unreachable and frozen in time for everyone.
Then the triforce divides in 3, wisdom for himself (in which he charter it, giving the pieces to Zelda, while he stays with a piece for him), power for Ganon and courage broken up in pieces without a hero of the prophecy.
Later on, in the end of the game, the king uses the triforce again to wish something similar, the real flood of Hyrule and a new future with peace. Ganon dies with Hyrule and is never seen again in the adult timeline.
Also, about the spirt of the hero. I do believe that the hero of the winds is not the spirit of the hero incarnated. When the hero of time returned to the past, he created a paradox, leaving this timeline without a hero. A paradox much like the Ganon from twilight, in which he obtains the triforce of power out of nowhere.
Also there is the fact that the triforce of courage is broken, because there is no one worth of it.
The goddesses couldn’t get another link because demise was the one who created the reincarnations of link by cursing him and Zelda.
Awesome Video
0:38 *Link It’s not a different person. It is the hero Link who is the hero of all titles that obtained. He is incarnated to a new goal when want.
I love this channel too much 😭😭
Translation: The Master Sword will relent if you have enough courage, grit, valor, and purity. If there is no other way.
And that explains a little of why Zelda is the way she is in BOTW.
Always depressed, no confidence in her powers, that kind of things.
I love wind waker and I love that you give it so much coverage over these theory videos
It's such a good game
This is by far your best video.
I always wondered what would have happened when Link refused to go back in time and instead stayed with Zelda...making a fourth timeline..hmm
A little detail in the Wind Waker that I think it's cool:
In Ocarina of Time, Link's eyes are blue.
Tetra's eyes are obviously blue, so if we compare her eyes to the little shade of colour in Link's seemingly black eyes, we can notice it isn't blue, nor is it just white. If we look closely, Link's eyes are kinda green. It seems quite nice that Link was further disconnected from the Hero of Time by giving him a different eye colour.
I saw you post. I clicked.
I never knew there was a way to understand what Jabu Jabu and the deku tree were saying. That's cool!
The hero of winds ended ganondorf while being a kid, something the hero of time couldn't even think about it...and probably ending Ganon once and for all
I haven’t played wind waker, but I love the idea that this random kid was so badass that he became the new go-to soul for Hylia to use as the new Link
Your making me love Windwaker More than I already do. and i do already a LOT
Wowowowow! Just wow. This theory is amazing and it makes soo much sense. And just proves that much more my theory of the timeline. Thx for the video!
I first played this game on its o.g. disc summer of 2020. None of this dawned on me at that time. I re-started it again a week and a half ago, and couldn't believe the number of times this game told me I was in no way related to the HoT. And having to reclaim the shattered Tri-Force because there's no inherent glowing symbol on my left hand solidified it. This incarnation of Link, the Hero of Winds... he's my new favorite Link. I'm coming out of a long battle with depression; seeing ANYONE can be the Legendary Hero...man did i need that in 2023.
The Hero of Legend and the Hero of the Seas are the only 2 links who have to fight the same Ganondorf who broke out of the same seal and who both live in what I'd consider post apocalyptic "downfall timelines", and they did this all without having been the "chosen" wielder of the Triforce of Courage.
this was beautiful n made me cry. awesome video
I would love a game between OoT and WW, where Zelda finally gets to be the featured hero. Though, I imagine it would have a much darker ending.
So i know the game states the Goddess flooded Hyrule..
But i think its strange that the King wishes for the same thing at the end of the game.
I was always theorizing that the King Originally made the wish to flood Hyrule and break the triforce up.
how is he able to become a boat? he would of known ahead of time and made preparations. then made the first wish to flood the land.
If a person had gotten their hands on the Triforce but instead wished to take all it's power could that person become more powerful then the gods themselves?
By the nature of the wish it would be seen as selfish and most likely the Triforce would scatter upon contact, with the piece most attuned to your self directly going to you just like what happened to Ganon in OoT.
@@josefarias5216 The Triforce doesn't discriminate against any type of wish. It shattered in OOT because Dragmire did not have a personal balance between courage, wisdom & power. This is described in the Hyrule Historia.
@@lupinthethird5784 but by the nature of that wish you would have to be most attuned to the triforce of power
It always shocked me how nobody seemed to want to make a video on this very topic. I was a kid when Wind Waker came out and instantly recognized the fact that the prologue's story referenced the adult timeline.
Nice well thought out video 👍🏾
Question, when Link goes back in time in OOT, does he keep the Triforce of Courage or does it return to a point before the Triforce split? I ask for both when, the player goes back and forth, and after the final boss?
Interesting question. We don’t know much about the Triforce in the Child Timeline, as MM is still the Hero of Time, and may or may not have it, plus TP Link was just born with it. The whole situation is a bit confusing, but for the after Ganon part of that question, I think that he left the one he actually possessed in the Adult Timeline, but when he got back in the Child, the Triforce was still sitting in the Sacred Realm, and eventually wound up partially in the hands of the Hero of Twilight. During the game, though, your guess is as good as mine. He probably left it, but you just never know
@@theleftfootedsultan All we know is that he's able to keep even with the paradox of the child timeline having it. It's theorized he kept until death and then it went to his descendant TP Link centuries later.
Fun fact:if you replay the game in your new file after finishing the game, since you previously gained the triforce of courage, you can understand the ancient language of hyrule
I love this theory quiet a bit. There's a manga snip that shows the origins but it's wifely considered not canon
You know where the Hero is Defeated timeline comes from?
To enter the Spirit Temple, Adult Link had to go back in time. But that time period continued as the Defeated Timeline.
Wait, when adult Zelda transforms the triumphant Link into a child and sends him back to the child timeline before allowing Ganon to access the Triforce, wouldn't that create an extra copy of Link? Shouldn't there be two child Link's from that point forward?
I think he was brought back to his child body in the master sword shrine kupo
I really liked this video! Keep it up, man!
That makes total sense that the goddesses could/would create a whole new and separate hero. I mean the Link from SS isn't a reincarnation, and his spirit was locked into the cycle. I always wondered why there was no hero in the WW backstory.
In conclusion, Toon Link is a straight-up Gigachad who can't be stopped. What a lad
Let's say you are right about the hero not appearing because he was sent to another timeline and to quote Highlander "there can only be one". As you stated the Hero if time does eventually die allowing a new Hero to be born. It takes lifetimes for Ganandorf to build back up power after the flooding of Hyrule. Once he does a new Hero finally appears. Magical beings who remember the past maybe confused but this was definitely the plan of the gods all along. The new Hero never just has the Triforce of courage, it has to be earned by great acts of courage in the face of evil. It didn't appear on his hand like before because it wasn't whole, it was fragmented. He is absolutely the hero reborn.
If the goddess could choose a new hero if one wasn't there for whatever reason...could you imagine somehow that Nintendo use this to make a new ganon, a new Zelda to mix it up. I always thought of what if a Ganon, one who is related to the great Demon king in a twist of fate able to remove the master sword and Link somehow being the villain. I mean can you think of that as a twist!
We see the life of ganon as not a villain but a good guy seeing how his life was as a gerudo and the people of Hyrule basically worshiping Link Knowing he the great hero and uses that to his advantage to take over
I feel like if they did that it would prob be done best with design choices that don’t reveal it until the end (EG: a more apocalyptic setting where people have to conceal their faces due to sand or something and never saying the names of the characters, only titles) with maybe a few hints (Few scenes where you can see the triforce mark showing the Power part)
Zac Ross perhaps or we think we are playing the villain, or as many would think diffrent sides consider beings as good or evil.
I honestly wish they added that earrape screaming to Ganon's death scene in Ocarina of Time
I believe when the Triforce of Courage was rebuilt, the spell of the Hero's Spirit being reborn was reawakened. I tend to believe the Triforce of Courage split on its own when the Hero of Time went backwards since, as you said, the hero was removed from the Adult Timeline. Without a hero, the Triforce couldn't hold and thus split into pieces. It was simple caught in an impossibility: it has been connected to the Hero's Spirit for so long that to exist without a hero would destabilize it, like how a body can't survive without insulin. It broke down, lost power and scattered.
But hope was not lost: it just needed someone with the same amount of courage, like that of the Hero of the Sky had so long ago, to rebuild it. Because Skyward Sword is still part of the Adult Timeline's history. That hero too was just a boy, trying to save someone he loved. The Hero of the Winds may not be a reincarnation of the Hero of Time...but he is an echo of the Hero of the Sky.
After all, Wind and Sky are very closely connected: and the Wind remembers and echos.
We need a timeline where the Hero of Time doesn't go back to the past.
I think you might be on to something with the fact that the gods probably COULDN'T bring link back after he left in the child timeline (potentially dying if you consider the termina=purgatory theory accurate). BUT the reason I believe that is actually has more to do with the fact that link and Zelda's rebirth has more to do with Demise's curse. Link and Zelda's rebirth is completely out of the hands of the gods as it's demise that determines how that plays out. Leading to why they panic flooded Hyrule when they realized their hero was missing. And by this logic, the hero of winds is absolutely the reincarnation of the hero of time. He just happens to be a few thousand years off.
Also I'd like to point out that Jabun and the Deku tree are most likely NOT omniscient. So there's always a chance they literally could not tell that it was a reincarnation of link and just assumed that the random boy was just a random boy with only a passing resemblance.
Every other Link: Fated Badass from the dawn of time, blessed by the gods to fight all evil forever.
WW Link: One tiny badass combat bard