The Mystery of Volvagia & The Fire Temple (Ocarina of Time) - Zelda Theory
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- What is Ocarina of Time's Fire Temple, and what was Volvagia, Dragon of the Deep?
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There are older and fouler things than Dodongos, in the deep places of the world...
Like Amy Schumer?
And Valoo's rage even took down a bridge. Like "NO!! *YOU*...shall not pass!"
Dodongo dislikes smoke
YOU SHALL NOT EAT!
It doesn’t take a genius to relate the fire temple was made by the Gerudo
Our deity is acting enraged
Rito: Let's pray things get better
Gorons: Fucking kill it
Gorons the best
In all fairness, if they came to Death Mountain whilst Volvagia was in a tizzy, they may not have thought to soothe him. After all, they only know Volvagia as an angry, flaming, goron-eating monster.
@The Cool show fuck
@The Cool show shit
I'm sure you mean Ruto
Just realized Darunia was so strong Ganondorf couldn't just snatch the stone from him so he tried to cut his food supply
Ganondorf: give me that spiritual stone!
Darunia: you’ll have to fight me for it
Ganondorf measuring up Darunia: nah man I’m just gonna starve you and wait for you to die. I don’t fight when I think I can lose.
Technically Ganondorf didn't get any of the spiritual stones from anyone. He was a terrible villain overall, highly incompetent.
@@JuliusCaesar888 he still technically won for seven years. Whole lot more than other Nintendo villains.
@@thejester4130 oh yeah for sure, he was wreaking havoc for 7 years I agree.
@@JuliusCaesar888 Ganondorf probably would have gotten the stones one way or another. Literally the only reason he failed at getting the stones himself was because of Link getting them before the tribes gave in.
My guess as to where Ganondorf got his information about Deku Tree, Lord Jabuu Jabuu and Volvagia are from Koume and Kotake. They where his adoptive parents and are like 380 years old so they would know alot about Hyrule’s history.
I agree.
then they nab the best waifu , they make her into liveing armor
Gannon : Mommy’s, can you tell me a story?
Kotake & Koume : Ok, this is the entire history of Hyrule.
@@creatorsfreedom6734 my brother in christ, they ARE the best waifu(when they fuse)
@@diddlyharbo9527 you talking about the Twin Witches' ?
if so i kind of forgot about that been 20 year's sience i played a n64 game
Theory:
The Gorons were fed to Volvagia as a sacrifice by a different race. The Goron hero breaks free, defeats the jailers, and kills the dragon. It would explain why the temple was designed differently, why it was hidden, the cages, and the myth.
The floods start happening and the Zora move their domain to Death mountain and join the dwindling Gorons. The Gorons have a newly hatch dragon that has been raised as a nicer guardian spirit and has a nice temple built around it. The Gorons die out, the Zoras take over and keep the little dragon long enough for him to bless them with wings as the seas rise.
Maybe those digger things from skyward sword did it
Gorons are present in Wind Waker tho
makes sense mostly, but wouldnt the zoras see the massive rising of the sea level as a good thing? since they are so fishy with their capabilities
@@konst3502 bigger sea, harder catch
Fish is part of zora diet, if im correct, then the vast sea would make it very hard to catch fish
@@konst3502 I think I heard somewhere that Zoras can only live in freshwater. Also, I think the Windwaker says somewhere that the Great Sea is full of monsters
The noises of ocarina of time are so satisfying/comforting to me.
*ReDead screeches in the distance*
True story!
Especially the sound of Link's boots when he walks in the Temple of Time
Agree, and I would love a modern remake on this game for the Switch which delves further in the lore of this game.
*FOREST TEMPLE THEME WOULD LIKE TI KNOW YOUR LOCATION*
"From above, it looks like a pair of..."
Me: giggles
"... glasses"
Me: oh.
Giggity
Same thing too!
I’m happy someone else said it
Are we all dirty minded
@@taazdeol6285 Not ALL but certainely a majority , and i like this situation 😇
My theory is that Volvagia was the guardian deity of an ancient and forgotten race that dwelt within the mountain. In order to keep it in a good mood they built the fire temple to worshipp it and feed it with whatever they imprisoned in the jail. However, everything went wrong as the gorons found the mountain. Probably both races battled for territory and in the end the ancient race was anhilated. Then the gorons found the temple of fire and stole their Spiritual Stone, now called Goron's Ruby, enraging Volvagia in the process. At the end of the story, Volvagia was murdered and the gorons finally made the mountain their home.
Could the ancient race be the Molemen from skyward sword??
Considering that at some point gorons were nomads it´s quite possible that they invaded such 3rd race you say but I believe the reason it´s said to attack and eat gorons is because volvagia helped that race in the defence against the gorons in his own way and now after being reborn is more like a grudge ghost/spirit which can only remember the emotions of his final moments which were hatred against the gorons who killed it and it´s people.
@@chicken0w044 or maybe subrosians? 🧐
zelda-archive.fandom.com/wiki/Subrosian
@@RR-rt4cd But the Gorons as a race are not that agressive. Most of them a quite passiv, only few of them are really fighters. I just cant see Gorons going to battle for the mountain "just because we like it here". Could it be that Volvagia saw them as a threat and/or fiends on his "holy grounds" and started to attack them with that ominous "old race that lived there", so that the gorons had no other choice?
@@chicken0w044 mogmas *
"You fear to go into those halls."
"The Gorons delved too greedily and too deep."
"You know what they awoke in the fires of Death Mountain."
"Shadow and Flame."
Those lines makes me think of the Balrog.
It’s a really good LoTR reference.
@@seograt963 agreed
I was looking for a comment like this so I didn't feel so alone 😅
Glad I am not the only one who noticed the synchronicities
I was about to comment this.
I love how Darunia names his son Link. It really shows the bond Link(the hylian) and Darunia had.
It really LINKS the two races, amirite?!?
Or it’s just cheesy writing but shure
@@Cloudaddy220 wow you seem fun -_-
@@selfefan1 that’s mean
@@Cloudaddy220 I would love to party with you -_-
I was 10 when this game came out, and my dumbass never understood that I needed the Goron Tunic to pass the temple, so I just went ahead and got 3 bottled fairies and basically ran thru the temple before I burned to death. Took me 2 tries but I did it without the tunic. I was not a smart kid...
An alternative solution. I bet you could get through the Water Temple this way too. I've experimented without the Zora Tunic and the fairies will revive a drowned Link.
Props
You had no idea how to progress and preceded to find your own way. Quite the opposite of not being smart lol
Well i mean if it works then its not stupid
Mad man big brain.
I feel like Dinraal, Naydra and Farosh are all incarnations of the goddesses, Din, Nayru and Farore who just retired and live peacefully, flying over Hyrule or other respective places...
Kinda a duetchbagel move considering HYRULE IS CRUMBLING TO DUST AROUND THEM. (side note, maybe they got scared because naydra tried to be the hero and got birch slapped in the process by malice)
@@ianlewis2092 Good point, tho that leads to one of my FAVORITE shrine quests...
good idea except they do have incarnation as the three oracle sisters
they are reincarnations or successors of the 3 dragons in SS. Faron, Eldin, and Lanayru. The light spirits took the place of the three dragons in TP.
I highly doubt that. Kind of irresponsible. Those 3 just seem like embodiments of the Goddess symbol which appears to be primordial flame. And it might be why Dragons closely related to the Golden Goddesses are present in a lot of the games.
I've been on a Zeltik binge lately, and I had remembered the OoT Manga where Volvagia and Link are actually fast friends as a baby Dragon and child. If I remember it correctly, Link finds him caged in a Castle market and proceeds to purchase then befriend him and their fight was actually quite heartbreaking. Though not quite canonical, I liked the idea that dragons were simply just a thing that exist (and we know they do, maybe not so out in the open as they tend to be revered beings) and Hylians just didn't particularly respect it other than, of course, Link which really drives home the sadness in their battle when Volvagia says Links name with a final breath.
I remember reading this manga and feeling so heartbroken. It adds yet another layer of depth to the story and makes Link's resolve to defeat Ganondorf even stronger
Volvagia in the game: I'mma eat all the Gorons.
Volvagia in the manga: I don't feel so good Mr. Link.
IGSA101 the manga isn’t cannon
@@martialharpistmatthew1837 They weren't really implying it was
In the Manga he nearly ate Link too...
@@nautilus7098 But then they became friends, and link cut his head off.
Ah yes, I remember the manga. Don't think I ever finished it. Young Link had pantyshots.
Y'all know about that manga where Volvagia was Link's pet in the child age, but used against him after 7 years by Ganondorf? Her final moments are heartbreaking.
I was thinking about it almost non-stop and constantly sad for a whole week straight after reading that!
IKR- I HATED AND LOVED IT AT THE SAME TIME (loved it because I consistently animated the younger version of her 😂)
Oh geez thanks for the pain 😆 I'm gonna go cry now lol
I loved that change. Link struggles and gets emotional. Made for a much better hero to root for.
@@KasunaInsanity of "her?" Volvagia was male. o.0
The Lord of the Rings references are amazing. The intro is perfect
In the manga Link actually befriends a friendlier version of Volvagnia, and even plays with him. However during the 7 year gap, Ganondorf curses Volvagnia. Forcing Link to kill his friend.
Volvagina
That's rough pal. Tragedy is a cruel mistress.
i actually have the manga of which ur speaking of so i can confirm
Real ones know how sad this was.
But the manga is not canon
i was today years old when i discovered that spectacle rock was the placement of the fire temple of OoT. Thanks Zeltik. Greetings from El Salvador.
Same tho man😂
I remembered seeing somewhere that spectacle rock was in the crater, but never quite could tell where. Ain't it typical that it was the biggest chunk of rock in the place...
I never even thought about, or the fact that the temple design and placement would put it directly under and inside those two mounds. It makes perfect sense, and yet I never even considered the possibility. I've played that game on N64, GameCube, and 3DS so many times each, never once questioned that.
"today years old" ugh...
but yeah, me too
never thought I'd see a fellow maje in this comment section
_"The Gorons delved too greedily and too deep..."_
_"You know what they awoke in the darkness of Death Mountain... _*_shadow and flame..."_*
That’s not actually in the game, right?
If so: f*ck
If not: f*ck
@@sqidicarus652 I have never seen it... I played it again last year, but it's not like I read every single sign/inscription, either.
But I do not think that was real.
This was in fact not in the game. It's a quote from Lord of the Rings with a few names switched around, so it's just a fun little reference.
squidicarus 6 it's a quote from Lord of the Rings but changed a little.
Hyperactive Geek no wonder I thought of Gimili when I heard the quote.
Zelda series is so amazing that sometimes it feels like an actual myth from real life ngl
I wish it was that would be amazing
Agreed
@@Kurogane_Hikaru like I'd wanna meet link and train under him though chaos would happen often but it would be more interesting then this world right now
@@meliodasbrutalgaming1066 yeah, so much more interesting 🤔
@@Kurogane_Hikaru I love your idea lol I hope you have many friends
It's notable that in the Japanese version of Zelda II the boss Barba was called Volvagia. The bosses of Zelda II are called guardian deities in the Japanese version of the manual and were summoned/created by an ancient king of Hyrule through magic and the triforce similar to how Ganon used Volvagia in Oot.
At 5:13 you can see a Gerudo symbol in the fire temple. Could the Gerudo have been the original inhabitants of Death Mountain and the tribe that built the fire temple?
Volvagia could have been the deity of the Gerudo. It explains how Ganondorf knew about volvagia as it could have been a Gerudo legend as well as a Goron legend. The spirit temple shows a woman (the goddess of the Gerudo) and a *serpent* coiling up her body. Could this serpent be volvagia? Perhaps the reason volvagia was so hostile towards the Gorons was because the Gorons kicked the Gerudo out of Death Mountain.
Ganondorf seems to have treated the Gorons more brutally than the other races, suggesting Ganondorf had a personal hatred for the Gorons for kicking out his ancestors into the desert.
What's also interesting is that the Gerudo have long, fiery red hair. The Kokiri had green hair, representing plants, and the Zora are blue, representing water, so perhaps the Gerudo's red hair was supposed to represent fire.
I like this theory
True. Makes sense, who knows!
So from my understanding, there are blocks with the Gerudo symbol in most of the dungeons in Ocarina of Time, and that this didn't mean that these locations had any significance to the Gerudo, but instead indicated that Ganondorf had come to these locations and meddled with them.
If what you say is true, then it may be possible that the Sand goddess depiction in the gerudo desert could be a statue in honor of the goddess Din.
Consider if you will that the fire temple and the spiritual stone of fire and the great fairy of power all reside within death mountain. These are all representative of the goddess of power. Ganondorf as the king of the gerudo is in possession of the triforce of power which is the blessing of Din. If the gerudo were cast out death mountain by the gorons, then they would have constructed a temple to fulfiil their duty to the sacred realm within the desert. What better monument for their temple than a statue of their guardian diety Din?
Maybe the goran "hero" mentioned in OOT actually lied about slaying the dragon, and merely just sealed up the mountain so that the gorans coudnt go in the mountain which ended up calming the dragon, giving the illusion to the gorans that volvagia was actaully dead.
Vexelbun ah yes iroh the goron
The goron of the west
@@woutijland4983 your comment has been heavily underrated these last 2 years
As you stated the Gorons were travelers that could have only recently settled. It's possible Volvagia was the guardian deity of a race that died out, angered by this fact and lack of tributes for years it immediately attacks the Gorons while in a rage brought on by being on the brink of starvation, the Gorons obviously fought back and won, never knowing what Volvagia really was
Sounds like a goron restaurant:
"Mine, Shrine and Dine", only at Death Mountain
C'est triste de voir que les gens n'ont pas le temps de vivre à cause de leur travail.
@@user-ej3iw8lw3w it's Sad to see how the stones didn't survive the time travel?
I mean the zoras and kokiri don’t literally eat the home of their spirit, so that could be a thing
true true
you brought up a fair point
Really? I mean the kokiri use wood a lot in their homes and tools...so they presumably get the wood from the forest aka the deku tree. Plus I would take a reasonable punt at the zoras drinking water.
@@tiredhippo82 True, but on the other hand the Kokiri most likely use up wood way slower than the Gorons use up stone. And compared to rock formations trees grow in the blink of an eye.
As for the Zora... rain, springwater etc., there's loads of ways to gather more water.
well, even if they did, water and wood is way easier to replenish than stone
3:05 "Two similarly sized peaks connected in middle so that from above it looks like a pair of..."
In Japan, the line between Kami (“nature spirit”) and yo-kai (“evil spirit”) is extraordinarily thin. The spirit of a river that becomes polluted could turn from a pure, calm being into a malicious spreader of filth and disease.
That reminds me of the anime film Spirited Away. It largely takes place in a bathhouse in the spirit world. There is one really disgusting blob monster that comes for a bath and afterwards turns out to be a river spirit.
Looks like a pair of.......glasses.... Yes... Glasses that's what I thought you were going to say............... 🤔😳😂
I mean you are not the only one. I think it looks like boobs too, even worse than that, on the 3DS map it looks like cock and balls with the bit leading off to the Fire Temple Enterance. I am not ashamed to admit what I see.
@@harrystubbs713 cock and ball torture
Gaspard Savoureux porno grind
Well I guess Miyamoto didn’t care for Titty Rock
"these aren't my glasses"
It would make sense,
The Great Deku Tree passed on the Stone of the Forest to Link, and originally was its keeper,
Jabu passed his stone on to the Royal Family of the Zora and thus to Ruto,
So when the Goron Hero slayed the original incarnation of Volvagia, he was rewarded with the Spiritual Stone of fire which it had been charged to protect...
Which would explain why Darunia has the stone in OOT, as it became a heirloom of the Goron people and was passed down as sacred from generation to generation
That itself would support Volvagia being a Spritual Guardian more than anything.
The only thing is, why did it eat Gorons? I doubt that they were Death Mountain's original inhabitants - the temple appears to predate them - so perhaps merely their presence angered the dragon and *GULP* *NOM NOM NOM*
Hans Ollo Again, it was a “Guardian” spirit. The Gorons throughout the series are nomadic and are prone to migrate. No doubt they coveted the rocks and wanted to mine the mountain, but the dragon spirit was charged to protect the stone. The Gorons have no spiritual or bond with the Stone of Fire, unlike the Kokiri who are directly linked to the Deku Tree.
@@TheGamerApocalypse Uh, yeah... bro... I got that XD I was agreeing with the theme of the video. Don't be so condescending :P
Hans Ollo I wasn’t being condescending.
Hans Ollo If anything I was responding to your question of why it ate Gorons. Don’t be so sensitive.
Perhaps Volvagia was the protector of the ancient race that inhabited Death Mountain and constructed the Fire Temple.
As the video already stated, the Gorons aren't native to the volcano. Perhaps Volvagia attacked the Gorons because he thought they were invaders. As the original tribe is long gone, and Volvagia was asleep, he was awoken by the Goron mining activities and proceed to torment them, maybe he thought that the Gorons slayed the people the fire dragon protected.
That's my theory, at least.
Aw, poor dragon. And then it gets slaughtered by a blondie boy wielding a blade who doesn't know and will never know the truth. It's always the tragedy of misunderstanding that leads to such pain..
"They look like a pair of..."
Me: Boobs
"spectacles."
Me: I mean do they though?
🤣 exactly what went thru my mind.
Zora: “We’re fish and we like water splash-splash.”
*world floods*
Zora: “Lets become the dominant race!”
Valoo “Hey I gotta deal for you!”
Even as a child the direction the creative team behind the Rito decided to go in, having birds evolve from fish after the *flooding* of the world, just blew my mind in its monumental, pointless, stupidity....
@@lessoriginal maybe zoras are freshwater fish people
It's implied that the zoras are freshwater fish people and that the gods made a salty rain fall to flood the earth. Freshwater creatures won't live in saltwater for long
@@tanandalynch9441 So then the Zoras from Majoras Mask must be a completely different species then.
also I think that if that had stayed as fish they would've found out about the hyrule that was underneath
What is Volvagia, Dragon of the Deep?
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Volvagia, Dragon of the Deep, is in fact, a Dragon that lived deep inside the volcano of Death Mountain.
Whoa
AzureRoxe *no*
No way
Big if true
how did he no
I thin it makes perfect sense that Volvagia could have been misunderstood by the Gorons who may have just seen it as an angry dragon keeping them from making a home and gathering food, and it's not hard to imagine that when Gannondorf resurrected Volvagia, he would have cursed it in a way that left it constantly suffering and enraged. So I think you're onto something on this one.
That just sounds so much worse than it should be allowed. I just keep finding new reasons to despise Ganon and really wish somebody would subject him to exact same pain he inflicted on every innocent person and creature he hurt or killed if not both. I would imagine Demise rolling in his grave for that pain. Then again, Hyrule has a bloody history that has been swept under the rug so many times before that I wouldn't be surprised if future generations like New Hyrule were completely unaware of Hyrule's evil history and just assumed Ganondorf was the evil one causing all the problems without knowing the full story. I just hope that if they do find out, that they can survive without Hylia and make things right so as to not fall into the same greed and hatred of Old Hyrule..
I love immersing myself in Zelda lore sometimes. Thank you for making these videos.
Am I the only one who feels sad for Volvagia after reading the Ocarina of Time manga.
yeah me too
Fortunately, the comics and the games have a separate canon- so Link probably doesn't have any real connection to Volvagia in the game.
Me to
No because the manga aren't canon.
Yeah, I feel you
Maybe Volvagia's temperament followed that of the mountain itself. Volcanoes are known to, for lack of a better word, "mellow" over time. Its first incarnation, wich was banished by the legendary Goron hero, may have been a raging inferno made flesh. Then, as Death Mountain cooled off, so did Volvagia. Note that the dragon wasn't out reaping gorons and munching on Hyrule.
Valoo would be a countinuation of this trend.
As for how they reproduce... Well, It could be like you said, and they have something like "respawn". Or it could be something more natural. The Fire Temple isn't all that small.
Plus it can live in lava with ease. That would probably be a VERY safe place to hide eggs
@@Icalasari Certainly. But I personally tend towards the "linked with the mountain" theory, and that begs the question; would Volvagia have returned even without the aid of Ganondorf?
The dragon was really small too, in comparison to other Dragons in Zelda history.
Munching on Hyrule, haha 😂
Knowing how nature spirits work in Japanese mythology, it's probably more likely that Volvagia basically WAS the mountain, in some ways. No eggs needed. It's a strong and wild thing that might have been praised or at least appeased at certain points in history. But that would make your idea that their temperament follows the mountain accurate. Valoo is a reincarnation, much like Link himself. That seems to be how the whole world works.
Just from the beginning text alone, my immediate reaction is, so they awoke the balrog Lol.
I like the idea of it being a guardian. So on that, what if the gorons are not the direct inhabitants of death mountain and are instead trespassing, and in doing so, angered the fire spirit. And the gorons, not knowing why, were forced to defend themselves.
"Adult dungeon" gave me the completely wrong mental image.
Heheh toppled with the spectacle rock moment... people claim to see glasses but my eye of truth shows me Zelda's bosom.
Now add Daruk into that image
Yup,that's an "adult" dungeon alright.
Well it _does_ have a dragon who eats people in it~
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Something I noticed in two clips of the Fire Temple: The Gerudo Symbol.
The Gerudo are associated with Din (and Din with Fire) much more than the Gorons seem to be, despite Darunia becoming the Fire Sage. Which, gorons also have no need for enchanted fire resistant garnments...but Gerudo acolytes and their sage would.
Perhaps prior to being driven out into the desert by the Royal Family (...it’s a ghetto), the Gerudo first lived on Death Mountain and cultivated the rich, volcanic soil. They didn’t burrow and mine (which to Volvagia would seem pretty destructive and parasitic), but instead used the volatile mountain’s nature to produce Life-much like Din did in legend by forming the Land Fayore would layer inhabit with organisms.
But when the king drove out the Gerudo and broke what might’ve been either peace or truce between the Sheikah and Gerudo, the balance with the dragon was broken.
Also...rock aren’t exactly edible. So for Volvogia to even try it? They were starving without whatever food source the Gerudo previously cultivated.
And perhaps the dragon wasn’t slain, just forced into hibernation. Ganondorf simply just woke them up and enacted revenge for the slight committed against the Spirit and his people eons ago.
One thing I noticed-the Great Deku Tree and JabuJabu were in TERRIBLE shape, much more so than Ganondorf could’ve possibly done on his own. (He just got blamed for it/took credit. He’s content to let Link open the Sacred Realm for him, after all.)
-The GDT is quite literally rotted out, and has been for centuries, and is quite literally having new forest growth eating him alive. Also, Spiders generally aren’t parasitic-they EAT parasites. If Ganondorf truly had anything to do with Gohma at all is...debatable. And the GDT still died. (He was already basically dead.)
-JabuJabu is a whale in a freshwater fishbowl. Wrong ph, waaaaaayyyyyyy too small a “tank”, and is literally only fed a single fish daily...which would not even be enough to sustain a CHILD Zora. Screw a guy for being hungry! Also, stressed, undernourished, and cramped marine life get sick. Link fights a quite literal infection this time.
JabuJabu survives the illness, but is presumably dead within 7 Years.
*S H O C K E R*
TL;DR
Ganondorf knew about the Guardian Spirits because the Gerudo built the Fire Temple. He didn’t have anything to do with the torment and eventual deaths of the DekuTree and JabuJabu, but he DID revive Volvogia and helped them seek revenge for a past injustice.
ooooo moral grey areas are the best in this game context. This is the hottest take I've seen all year. I love it.
This deserves more likes.
That's actually a very solid theory
Basti EiseNKrafT
Thanks!
I’ve always gotten the impression that OoT/WW Ganondorf was a “hero” in his own eyes who despised the gods for showing favor towards the hylians (while everyone else got shoved to the side to allow hylian dominion. Which wasn’t a completely raw deal for the Zora or Gorons (other than where the hell is the Royal Assistance when they’re in trouble preFall)...but the Sheikah are basically extinct for their trouble in exchange for doing the Royal Family’s dirty work on royal order, and the Gerudo are reduced to raiding just to survive)
...but he got corrupted along the way. Which with SkywardSword we now know is Demise’s Malice moreso than Ganondorf himself. (But he hadn’t fallen-YET. So he is still very much responsible for his own actions.)
It’s possible that Ganondorf saw stealing the triforce as correcting several wrongs-he really only saw the royal family as The Enemy and pretty much left the CastleTown residents who fleed to Kakariko alone, and rewarded Indigo’s hard work by giving LonLon Ranch over to him.
(Talon’s a lazy, drunk slob. It isn’t even a subtext thing, and Malon’s far from unbiased. Even though she and Indigo had to keep the ranch in one piece since early childhood due to Talon’s neglect. Talon really doesn’t deserve Malon’s loyalty, but she also basically made Epona feral with how she raised that horse (and the Song itself is enchanted). It’s just too bad that Indigo chose to be one of those who let the power go to his head and went from grumpy to vindictive and misery.)
But, well. Ganondorf not having the full Triforce might’ve been a blessing in disguise-less so because of Ganondorf himself (very few can be trusted with what’s essentially a Reset Button. Lorule lost its Reset and decayed less so because of that and moreso due to the Land/planet itself experiencing a natural death), and moreso...well. Ganondorf still houses Demise’s Malice. And the WORST case scenario isn’t Ganondorf or Ganon getting the triforce, but Demise getting it (which was probably very close to happening in LttP...since Ganon had the full thing and used the triforce to create an emissary to carry out his will that nearly let him return to Hyrule from the Sacred Realm. As it was it basically got warped into Demise’s Image as Ganon built up his power.)
@@anonymousfellow8879 with all that Moral Greys, Ganondorfs Statement at the end that the Triforce refering to as "toys" are not for them, becomes another meaning. As if Ganondorf is angered that Link and Zelda truely do not understand the more complex Situation of the Gerudos and the Hylians. As if Children only see black and White, but not the injustice done to others, they see Ganondorf as Evil, while he is not (neessarily). At the end, ganondorf is shocked he "lost to a child", not as offensive, but because he sees taht Link and Zelda are quit childish while Ganondorf sacrified childhood to undo all injustice done to him and his People and other races in Hyrule. Also, that he could not take the whole triforce does not mean, he is Evil at heart, only that he blieves in power more than in the other Forces.
Some People seems to me, and I do sometimes too, confuse that Imbalance in hearth does not equals Evil. Ganondorf did not lost the triforce because he is Evil, but because he was imbalanced.
Nevertheless, childish as I am sometimes, I still regard Ganondorf as Evil at least, when he was corrupted by power later. Even if Ganondorf as we also see in Windwaker is not Evil, Ganon is. That is Pretty sad, he turns into this.
What if Volvagia thinks that Link is trying to hurt Gorons?!?!?
I wish we would get more explanation for things that Ganondorf does other than “evil magic”
for real, evil magic is too broad a term. because if used by someone with evil intent, any magic can be evil
Additional trivia:
The serpentine dragon boss from Zelda 2 was called Volvagia in Japan, though it was translated as Barba in the West.
Hyrule Warriors, though noncannon, also considered Volvagia to be the corrupted spirit of Death Mountain. Further, the character Volga was intended to be a human reincarnation of him.
I always thought Volga was a dragon who could transform into a human
Given the hyrule histora timelines, Barba would have been a descendant of Volvagia, I guess - still would have liked to have seen a reference in the video!
I've always found it eerie that Volvagia "ate" Gorons and was seen as evil but that both Jabu-Jabu and the Great Deku Tree "ate" link in order for him to help them..
...and then Dodongo's Cavern has you enter a skull's mouth (after bombing its eye sockets)...so yeah, Child Link gets 'eaten' throughout his entire journey lol
rtyuik7 oot is just a vore fan story
The Great Deku tree didn't swallow him though. You walked inside of him.
@@blvck1635 Don't kink shame them
@@s-wo8781 The Great Deku Tree could also be considered more of a 'tree house' anyway, and was perhaps originally meant as a means to shield the Kokiri in times of disaster. Jabu Jabu swallowed Link because Link actively baited him to do so by presenting him with the fish, knowing that Jabu Jabu wasn't in his right mind and it was the only way he could get in to rescue Princess Ruto. I think Volvagia was just corrupted by some evil force and he went mad.
just only recently discovered your channel right after I finished BOTW, love your content, and you've got a good voice to listen to without ever sounding monotone or boring. Keep up the good work man!
This potential twist is not just interesting, but backed enough to more easily be canon than unrelated. It's nice to have a mystery across a series that doesn't have to be solved with fanfiction!
Just a thought...
Volvagia is an aggressive, fiery deity. The deity meant to guard Death Mountain. Zeltik pointed out that the Gorons (before oot) were depicted as travelers or vagabonds.
Could we consider that Volvagia was so aggressive towards the Gorons because they invaded Death Mountain and began to mine the mountains resources? If you were a being meant to guard a specific landmark, would you also feel that an invasion on your landmark for resources was an invasion of you?
Maybe that's why Volvagia was always so aggressive with the Gorons and needed to be slayed by the Gorons. He's not a deity of the Gorons, but a deity of Death Mountain.
I feel like this is a good point, and definitely missed in the video.
Casey Queener are you two being serious? i sincerely can’t tell, because he literally addresses this in the video
The other two deities must also be the deity of the Kokiri Forest and Zora's Domain respectively. But instead of being aggressive towards those who settled, they decided to protect them. Volvagia, being a fire dragon and a protector of a frigging volcano, would naturally be more aggressive towards invasive species. That's probably why he's depicted as "evil"
I thought this when it was first questioned in the video too; it is touched on in the video, but not given much consideration.
The Gorons being aggressive killed the deity and claimed the spiritual stone as their own.
@@ShadowXVII now I wonder if we'll ever see the original inhabitants of Death Mountain in any future Zelda game.
When I played this as a kid, I could not pronounce Volvagia, so I called her Virgina.
I literally thought I was crazy for calling her a she 😂
I called him volva-jia.
west Volvagia! mountain goron! eat his home! cobbled rolls!
I just called volvagia what anyone would: vagina
@@KasunaInsanity
I called her "vulvagia", which would mean pain in the vulva xD
The depth and connections you find in the lore of Zelda are amazing. Thank you very much for making these. I'm binging your videos as we speak.
This is super interesting! I love learning more about Zelda games. In-game, you don't really think about it. It's just 'oh, it's an evil dragon'. I love this connection!
I always found it weird that the Gorons had no guardian spirit and that Gannondorf just knew about Volvagia.
Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it....maybe Ganondorf was a big believer in this quote lol
@@food_toobs8333 but Ganondorf's knowledge is what made history repeat itself
@Katie Lewis I think the game established that Ganondorf was a history nut, given how much he knew about the Triforce and the Sacred Realm.
maybe the gerudo were the original inhabitants…….
@@LucasVe208 nah they were always desert dwellers
in the oot manga, volvaga is links pet that he got when he first left the forest and volvaga was possessed by ganon
Thats brutal...
The part where Volvalga says Link's name and cries right before he kills him always gets me.
let's not forget the carving on the tree that holds up links house
@@aronsmith3417 what this??
@@Matthew10950 on the N64 there is a carving of link and a kind of dragon like being on the bottom of the tree that's holding up links house
Well done with your scripting, your attention to detail and storytelling convinces me that your theories are actual lore! If no one has told you yet, you should turn your audio into podcasts, what a relaxing way to enjoy more Zelda content!
I always loved your videos Zeltik. Super informative and well narrated. It manages to hold my attention perfectly every time. Thank you
Just a thought: the geometric designs on the Fire Temple in OoT are very reminiscent of the labyrinthine mazes in Breath of the Wilds.
The image of a smiling face flanked by two flames also evokes an image of the original Old Man from the first Legend of Zelda. Perhaps it's a reference to that?
Good spot. You're right.
Damn that's actually makes sense. We have a theorist in the making!
Yup. Zonai was my first thought as well.
MAN! The Fire Temple’s architecture matching the shape of Spectacle Rock... that is some astonishing attention to detail on part of the developers.
Really need more of those dungeon theories. I love them.
Your videos make me feel grounded when my mind is racing. You have a very unique way of making familiar stories/characters (like the Gorons) feel like facts or documentaries. It’s very comforting. I doubt you’ll see this, but thank you for making these videos!
The background track of Dodongo's Cavern also plays inside the structures of Gerudo Fortress.
Good ear!
It also plays inside the Royal Family's tomb in the graveyard, in Dampe's grave, and in Death Mountain Crater.
“Two identical peaks connected in the middle so that from above they like a pair of-“ Boobs “glasses” right glasses that’s what I said
That's testicle roc-
I mean spectacle rock
So glad I’m not the only one.
Please do more temple theories and more OOT content in general. Your channel is awesome!
The 'face' in the carvings seems similar to the fire boss in Link's Awakening
There might be another logic reason for his "evil" since Goron wasn't living here before, maybe he consider them as intruders, who mine his mountain, destroying it in some way.
Yet another person writing a comment before actually bothering to listen to the video. He literally says that same thing.
@@carlie5577 So? Don't antagonise others for reasons this small, please.
@@carlie5577 here's why you're undoubtedly wrong: the implications of the two statements are very different, with the video implying that volvagia was the patron of the goron and didn't like the mining of the mountain, while the idea presented here has the implication of volvagia being territorial, and not liking the vagabond race of the goron coming into its territory
The Lord of The Rings reference at the beginning there was the greatest intro you have ever done! Great video overall!
When I read it, I first didn't realize that it was this reference. Then, at the end if the quote I was like 'wait, that sounds like Saruman talking about Moria!' So I rewatched and thought: 'Yep, definitely a LotR reference.
Without a doubt
Did you catch "Darunia's Bane" at the end?
For a moment I was confused and wondered if I'd never gotten such an obvious reference to Durin's Bane in a game I've played countless times, ha!
@@PMacMoraes Yeah same xD
Never noticed that the layout of the fire temple has two chambers on the top, connected by chambers underneath, just like the two peaks in the volcano. Really great little detail! Shows how much effort goes into so many of these games!
Here’s a thought: the deku tree in return for his protection he became a parent like guardian and made the rules for the kokiri
Lord jabu jabu offers his protection for food
But what if in return for protection volvagia the spirit of *death* mountain required death AKA bloody sacrifice every 100 years or so
The goron hero tired of his people being sacrificed leads a rebellion and destroyed the spirit with his mighty hammer. This is my head cannon and I think this makes sense and brings some more depth to the world of ocarina of time and helps the differentiate the races and guardian deities imo
Your videos take me back to the imagination of my childhood, when hyrule felt like it existed in my backyard and I was the hero, thanks man
Wow that actually made me kinda sad
Hyrule Encyclopedia says the Dragon Roost used to be Zora's Domain.
>>Presses X to doubt heavily.
The whole lore about that in Windwaker was dumb to me and really killed my interest in the game. Makes total sense for the Gorons to become the Rito, since they’re earth and fire elements, and the world is now flooded with water. Dragon Roost Island is totally the top of Death Mountain and everything about it referenced that. But no, let’s change the one race that would THRIVE in a flooded planet into a bird people who live on a volcano and worship a fire dragon -_-
@@food_toobs8333 It's more believable for the Rito to have simply flew to the abandoned remains of what was once Death Mountain. Especially if their new Deity seemed to went out of his way to save them. The Goron's still exist in the Wind waker timeline.
@@food_toobs8333 The Zoras were turned into Rito to keep them out/ignorant of Old Hyrule under the waves. Still would have made more sense for them to be on Wind Fish Island, and the Goron's on Dragon Roost.
This is such a good video. It helped me to realize so many things about one of my favorite games.
So first of all these videos are insanely cool and interesting.
but can we appreciate how HARD that artwork with the ancient goron and volvagia goes, gawd damn
Me seeing the title: "IS HE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE OOT MANGA?" For anyone unaware, the Manga for OoT gave Volvagia a truly touching story... and an equally sad end.
Data Master I KNOW! I actually cried, that was so sad, it really gave a new meaning to the temple, at least to me.
Is it official
robocu4 no the games and manga have different canons, or else one of the Kokiri are living in Links mom.
a touching story that is not canon and made 0 sense. Volvagia is a centuries-old tyrant and god of the mountain, not some baby pet dragon sold at carnivals.
@@robocu4 It is non Canon. Especially when the games say Volvalgia is ancient
3:04 "So that from above, it looks like a pair of spectacles." Right, spectacles...
Replace a few letters and there ya go...
@@bdkroyale pair of titties, not testies. No sac in the world is that symmetrical. 😂
This is an awesome theory!!! Nice job using all the lore scattered in the different games to support this 👏🏼
Surprised by how good of a video this is. Usually stuff like this just has a dude directly reading entries from fandom wiki pages for 15 minutes, but you clearly put a ton of work and thought into this, and it shows. Well done.
Wait, is it just me, or does it look like "the smiling face surrounded by fire" in the fire temple look way to much like the face of Eldin from skyward sword. This would really support the theory since that would suggest volvagia is somehow related to Eldin
Even as a kid i cried when i had to fight Volvagia. I still do to this day as i always felt something in my heart, even way back when, was wrong with killing her. I honestly think that Volvagia was wrongly killed the first time as the gorons were more than likely invaders to her home. The gorons probably killed or at least had disagreements with the natives of death mountain who worshiped her and perhaps in one of her hibernation cycles the Gorons invaded due to rising tensions and killed all her followers and settled the mountain thus enraging her and making the gorons attack. War between races in Hyrule is not a new concept. I always thought that after the fact of Link killing Volvagia when Darunia became a sage he learned of what really happened between Volvagia and his people and was able to send word to his son who then began to see Volvagia for who she really was as a guardian spirit and began to revere her as her old followers did.
Read the OOT manga. It’s 300x worse. She was Link’s pet as a child and he had to mercilessly kill her, and it showed the pain in his eyes while he did it. It was sad af
Also, hence the little cages where the original inhabitants may have captured and kept the gorons before as well.
@@KasunaInsanity The manga are unfortunately not cannon but yeah that part was heart wrenching
@Matthew Welch Could be the Lizalfos.
@@KasunaInsanity still doesn't make sense to me
God......the idea that the fire serpent is the missing third god....holy goodness.....and what you said about the mouths.....wow.
That the gorons would eventually end up respecting the other incarnation is so sweet.
rlly love this channel thanks for ur hard work and also u have a great voice for commentating
I notice how he refers to Volvagia as "Darunia's Bane" as if to draw connection back to "Durin's Bane" and the lotr themed opening.
Yes it made me smile
That's smart as hell
Could the Fire Temple be the repurposed remains of the Fire Sanctuary from Skyward Sword? Someone, maybe the Mogma built over it to honor Volvagia but either left or disappeared and the Gorons took over.
Also the Fire Sanctuary is totally of Sheikah origin, as it's littered with frog symbolism which BOTW confirms to be a Sheikah architecture trait.
Maybe the Sheikah and Hylians built it before the Hylians were moved up to Skyloft. Over time the Fire Sanctuary was repurposed. I have thought similar things my self based on their locations.
Superb writing in this one! Some amazing lines, very poetic!
Do more of these, these are some of my favorite videos of yours
Gotta say, when you described the architecture of the fire temple it all clicked for me in another way.
Follow me on this; stone carved temple, prayer chants and Ganon knew of it. What if the Gerudo where the original inhabitants of the mountain before being banished to the desert ages ago?
And someone pointed out that there's a Gerudo symbol on the wall at 5:13. Makes more sense the more you think of it...
Things this video needs:
1: A deeper comparison of Volvagia with Eldin in particular
2: A look at Skyward Sword’s Fire Temple, and some comparison, with a look at whether OoT’s Fire Temple is the same structure, a different part of the same complex, or a different entity altogether
3: A look at how Volvagia (aka Barba because Japanese is hard) appears in Adventure of Link, specifically as a boss bound by the ancient king of Hyrule to guard one of his six designated palaces, and thus being among those charged with protecting the Triforce of Courage from evil - a role that stands in stark contrast to Volvagia’s role in myth, as well as a pawn of Ganon used to torment the Gorons upon the dragon’s return.
I would have to spend a LOT of time to learn all of this by myself.
Glad we have a wonderful community!
I've watched a lot of these videos but this one is VERY convincing and impressive.
I remember seeing Dinnral for the first time and thinking that it was volvagia.
A lot of people did, including me. But if you think about it, Ganondorf's revival of Volvangia could've stunted the size or strength of it since he likely could not have been able to revive it at full power (or size for that matter). Either way, it was weak enough for Link to deal with. And I think Stallord was definitely the same species and the biggest we've seen. How fitting that the magic used to reanimate it gives it the same red eyes as the stal enemies that malice spits out. That "magic" was malice all along?
ShadowSkyX madddd
I didn't have time to think the first time I saw Dinnral. I was going across a rope bridge over a big canyon, got knocked off, and about the time I got my glider out the dragon had snuck up on me. It was literally right next to me, scared the crap out of me.
ha ha you too!
I wish they had a bigger role in the game
3:08
"so that from above it looks like a pair of.."
me: boobs
"...glasses"
me: ...boobs isn't technically wrong either.
@Elie Gringauz Yeah well, it's the same game where you can hook shot to the giant statue's nipples in the Spirit Temple. That's Japanese humor for you.
@Elie Gringauz shut up simp
Nope... it's not I saw tits first to.
@Elie Gringauz lmao you sound like you're the exact target audience Marvel is going for with their new characters..... gtfo scrub
Metroid4ever I was hoping this comment existed
In my opinion this is your best theory video and probably the most accurate
Something about this video. Maybe the combination of the slow Fire temple music and Zeltik’s admittedly calming voice... but this is a video I put on when I need to go to sleep. And I say that in the most praising way possible.
Haha good timing. I'm finally playing through Ocarina of Time after 20+ years of it's release. Good video man I enjoyed it a lot. It's safe to say you're probably the best Zelda Theorizer content wise. The videos show your passion for the franchise
I don't have it yet,but I'm going to buy it too,someday
Better late than never. Its called one of the best game of all time for a reason
I played it in early 2019. Despite how the game looks, it aged perfecly gameplay-wise. Definetly one of the best Zelda games
@ChaosKirby I watched people play through It so nothing new. It doesn't beat Twilight Princess dungeons but man so far (just finished shadow temple) this is a big 2nd place for me. There is many unclear moments but all in all Oot is amazing so far. I don't look up guides so it's still pretty hard to beat for me
@@HeliosimWorld Openemu is what I use
Spectacle rock: "so when viewed from above it looks like a pair of breas- glasses"
Breastacles
( . Y . )
I find it really interesting how the totems and carvings in the rito's home in windwaker slightly match some of those found in the fire temple in OOT.
Perhaps its possible that in a time between skyward sword and OOT, or even before skyward sword, there could have been a race of rito that could have built the fire temple. First being possible by the fact that obviously the rito settle dragon roost in windwaker, which is more than likely the remains of death mountain. Second that the rito may not need heat protection because their feathers provide a natural insulation, or the scale provided by their respected dragon deity. Third, rito are always depicted inhabiting mountain tops or areas of high elevation.
So, it could mean that this ancient rito race inhabited the tallest location they could find, death mountain. Found and worshiped volvagia and built the fire temple. However since wood and straw dont typically stand the test of time, the outer evidence of their settlement could have easily been eraced. So when the gorons moved in and began tunneling and essentially desecrating volvagia's sacred land, she (I'm only assuming she because dude dragons don't lay eggs) fealt betrayed and became irate.
another cool (yet most likely untrue) story about Volvagia comes from the ocarina of time comic books: Link bought Volvagia, a baby dragon, from an abusive merchant and made him his pet. In his adult years Volvagia was possessed by Ganondorf and during their fight Link tried to make the dragon remember who he was. when it didn't work, Link was forced to kill his friend, which took an emotional toll on him.
There is a fire dragon you forgot to mention! Barba (Volvagia!) from Zelda 2. It's an evil Fire Dragon. But that makes sense since in that timeline, a green clad hero once killed its ancestor Volvagia! Of course he's mad.
If my memory is not mistaken, it's not actually evil - the bosses in Z2 were placed there by a (former?) King of Hyrule to guard the Triforce pieces.
@@Dazuro Gotta admit I haven't played Zelda 2 in forever but... You don't hunt triforce pieces there, right? You put crystals in statues at the end of every dungeon.
If you mean the King put them there to guard the statues, it actually also makes sense for the Borba Volvagia to serve the Hylian King!
So going off of the opening narration, it sounds like the Gorons basically awoke *A BALROG THAT FLIES!* Great job, guys. I always knew they were Zelda's equivalent of the dwarves, but I never knew it went that far.
I like your lore discussions, they are so nice and thematic
You're getting a sub for that reference at the beginning, my good dude