I even bought a set of Engine Covers and Tires for this thing and never even got to see it! At least I Got 5% off any tires and accessories on Priority Tire's site with the code 'PTSAMCRAC924' until October 31st at: bit.ly/Samcrac_PriorityTire.
Thank you so very much for Making this video you saved me Thousands of dollars. I was going to buy a Corvette ZO6 but after watching this video I checked the Engine and it wasn't the right Engine. 🙏❤💪
The auction house ultimately got scammed. They will deal with the dealer. It is what they do. Sam does not have to risk a legal battle, he obviously is shouldering enough risk as a buyer. _Caveat emptor._
@@geedubb-q1u he doesn’t want to be sued . That’s why . I don’t blame him . But Sam knew the car had frame damage . Car has 2 previous accidents with structural damage announcements on carfax
Your guy didn't even know there is a cable to pull in the trunk to open each door when battery is dead!? 😂 great shop 🫣 crawling through a customer car as a dirty mechanic, nice!
100%. I used to do condition reports at manheim and we had a crooked wholeseller who would pay off certain guys for inaccurately high condition reports. My boss made $15 an hour but had a new ford mustang and took a two week trip to Italy. On multiple occasions they would log in to my credentials and write the fake condition reports. I own a car dealership now and all those slimeballs are gone except for the wholeseller, he's still there. You couldn't give me one of his cars.
Put a 2.5 iron duke from an s-10 I feel the dealer got scammed on a trade in. Whoever put the replacement engine in it was not an honest person. The dealer lost 10-20k and they wanted to push that off on someone that didn't know anything about cars. Probably would have worked with 95% of car buyers.
Their "arbitration" system as worthless. I had a car show up with no title. seller had 30 days to produce. the back and forth went on for MONTHS before a title was finally produced. Car had losts 1000s in value (covid died down along with pricing) they didn't care. I ended up selling it for less than we paid.
I'd be lawyering up if it weren't for the Deal Shield. There is a scam going on between the dealer, the auction house and the grading company, all need to be held accountable.
It's probably not possible to lawyer up if there's an arbitration clause which he had already used. Arbitration is generally not appealable. Even if your lawyer up.
@@gerardhughes I had the boiler plate arbitration papers from a reputable used dealer, and signed them. Had issues immediately, lawyered up, the arbitration was invalid due to 2 extenuating circumstances. I sued the dealer, won, and the local news picked it up. Five other people came forward with the same issues, all won. I won again when the lawyer, who is actually a really nice guy, refunded all of his fees because I brought him a bunch of other cases! The little guy wins once in a while. Always check with an attorney about those arbitration papers.
I'm a dealer. I bought a 1998 BMW M Roadster from carvana wholesaled through adesa clear. shipped it across the country to find out a standard 3.0 Z3 engine was put in it. I luckily arbitrated just in time and they took back the vehicle. Carvana takes in anything without a proper inspection
The only thing Carvana does is pick up the sold car. They don't do a serious check at pick up. I've sold to them and purchased a car that I had to return. I would never buy from them again, and warn others about them.
This was how Zillow, Redfin etc were buying houses to flip and lost a bunch of money. Just went with their algorithm like Carvana and bought these things without checking them out. It’s all good to trick investors when you fix the numbers but sooner or later the music stops and you’ve got egg on your face. Ask Zillow
@@zackjay71 They are, most likely, right. Companies that use forced arbitration clauses generally have a use a specific 3rd party arbitrator for all of their arbitration claims that they are paying for. This means that the arbitrator might hedge their decisions in favor of the company if they can so they don't lose their business. For example, the excuse "it's a GM engine in a GM car" and the video showing the car running and driving being evidence of the truck driver breaking it when the engine was wrong and the truck driver was likely shown in the video not driving the car in the video could show that the arbitrator was biased in favor of the seller who was paying for their services. Forced arbitration is preferred by companies to avoid litigation because arbitration generally cannot be appealed and is cheaper than getting sued repeatedly for shady business practices.
@@thisissparta1690 In a perfect world, that would be the case. But, if an arbitrator finds against the person who is paying them too often, that arbitrator will get less work going forward. That is human nature.
Its a shame there is no justice in this story. The auction house took no responsibility and there is nothing to stop them doing it to someone else.... without the "golden ticket".
Even an as-is sale can be reversed if there is fraud in the sale and if the seller misrepresents what they are selling, it is fraud. Glad to hear the auction refunded your money.
Arbitration sounds like they 100% sided with the seller, no evidence it was broken by the driver, no chance it was a 4.7 grade, frame damage + wrong engine (it's a GM so meh?) + no clutch.... hmmm .... interesting on the Fluid Motion video a previous owner popped up and confirmed it had the wrong engine in it when they had it, all in all a blessing it had the deal shield on, a good outcome was finding Fluid Motrorunion's channel :)
Dealer committed criminal fraud. They knowingly misrepresented the car. Good thing they took it back, the next step would have been for Sam to involve the DA and police.
I was extremely surprised. This entire story would take me 2 hours if I had to go over every angle, but the arbitrator that I got assigned couldn't have cared about anything here. In my experience, arbitration has generally been fair. After the fact here, I forwarded all of this to management, and they did call back apologizing and agreeing that the engine issue should've been sided on my behalf. The dealshield thing is interesting because ultimately the Auction House will own the car, and they'll dump it for literal peanuts, while at least marking the car red light and likely disclosing the engine swap so at this point its a safe sale. But it opens up the potential to get this thing back on the market as a great deal on a Z06 😵💫
Deal Shield coming in clutch. Love seeing honest repair shops like OJ's using their skill to help people out! Great vid, glad everything worked out in the end.
@@leonidastg Very true. You know this dealer would sue him if he said their name. And then he would have to hire an attorney to defend himself, and in the end be out a bunch of money.
I bought a 2002 RSX at IAA who gave it a score of 50 out of 50 and because it had a clean title and was a run and drive, I used a broker to confidently bid on it. However, when I arrived at the auction site to collect the vehicle the clutch was toast, and the manual gear box was stuck in third gear. The truth is do not ever rely on the BS the auctioneer claims. If you cannot go see the car in person first pass if you care about your money!
@@eddominates arbitrator gets paid by auction house. Auction house gets paid when they sell. Arbitrator has incentive to side with seller to be rehired because auction house got to keep thekr fee.
I’m glad that all your troubles went away on this corvette. A really good video on buyer beware. There are more crooks than good guys in America these days. Starting at the top and then all the way down. Your friend OJ was really cool to help you out. We need more OJs in the world.
What a consummate proficient professional. I’ve seen Fluid loads of times on Alex channel. A class act. Congratulations Sam. Glad you didn’t let dealers jam you up
There is no more suitable and potent image or symbol for our time than the image of the car delivery driver who is unable to drive the cars he is tasked to deliver. This perfectly sums up the world we now find ourselves in.
@@Samcractake a look at what happened at MMTLP stock... SEC... allowed the sale of counterfeit stock..and then shut down trading....and kept everyones money...65000 traders..lost 💯 percent of their money..USA a scam..market. A scam
There are going to be A LOT! Just one of my friends lost three, one a Porsche Panamera. Luckily, his good cars (911 GT3, 911 S/T, 1970 Shelby GT500, a couple of Vipers, a couple of Ferraris, and a few that slip my mind) were kept in a different location farther from the Bay. Then there are all his neighbors, people on Davis Islands, on the coast. His beach house in Redington Beach had four feet of water in it, so there's going to be some big-money cars out there.
I don't think I will ever buy a car remotely. Especially used cars bought "as is" need to be inspected in person. I don't need these legal entanglements.
I'm in charge of doing arbitrations at the used car dealer I work at. The #1 thing to consider is that it's the arbitrators job to keep the deal together, they will do everything they can in order to make that happen. #2 escalating arbitration decisions to management works quite well as well. #3 fuck auctions and their arbitration departments.
@@memphis_sean8169 it's called an arbitration to make you think it's that when it's just customer service. but @polskipaul7567 are the people who evaluate the car typically different or same as the arbitrators? like it just sounded like they didn't want to get a mark on having messed up or cheated themselves
I was scammed by the North Boston Copart location because they allowed a covered up damage vehicle to be sold. I bought a "clear title" Escape that was Off Location. The pictures looked great and with a clear title, I thought the damage could not be that bad. Man was I wrong. The Off Location owner covered up how this car had been hit so hard in the rear that it bent the frame rails in the rear and front. They repainted the deck lid and put in a radiator support from a totally different color vehicle. The front fenders were shoved backwards into the A pillars. I was sick when the car arrived at my house in Arizona. I had bought this car for my daughter who was starting college and I wouldn't put her in the car. I had to run the car back through the Copart auction where I live and I noted the damage. I lost $7000 because of terrible people who would screw someone else. I learned the reason it had a "Clear title" was that it was a rental car and rental car companies don't have to report damage. I hope this helps others not to make the same mistake I made. I am a 40 year automotive professional and I was sick and embarrassed that I let this happen to me.
I had a decent side hustle in the 1990s-2000s buying and selling Vettes. The biggest frustration, by far, was dealing with transport brokers. I would give them DETAILED pickup instuctions to give to the driver. The drivers NEVER received the instuctions.
Sam, your experience here was a real eye opener. When someone like you who knows his way around auction cars runs into bias like that, it's really disturbing. In my mind I'm really pissed that a dealer can get away with blatant lying. Worst yet he's assisted in doing it. There really should be more recourse brought to the dealer and arbitrator alike.
Samcrac, you did an absolutely amazing job of documenting this whole transaction and presenting it to your viewers! I am in total awe of how organized and focused you were through this whole process. When I get in similar situations, I typically lose my temper and go nuts which is a huge fail!
Ah yes, the common scams of 60s muscle cars resurface. Like a '67 427 vette with a turd 454 truck engine stuffed in. Hertz rent a racer Shelbys that had the HI-PO 289 yanked and returned with a lame two barrel stocker from a base coupe. Our gearhead grandfathers warned us.
When I was in the service in the 90's, guys would rent cars for the weekend. Cheapest way way to get a new set of tires for their personal cars. Took the rental companies a while to figure out why their cars had worn out tires.
Insurance auctions are only a small fraction of auction sales. Also most people don’t want to buy a car with branded title. Also most people are not equipped or have the skill to repair a damaged car. Not to mention the cost of parts to repair modern cars
Your videos are so good. They just feel like a genuine thing that you are going through rather than someone turning on the camera to generate content and money. Keep it up
This story illustrates a thought I've had for years. Lots of people look at these stories and are envious of the apparent good deals in cars that Sam gets. Most people fail to factor in that Sam has the equivalent knowledge of a 4 to 6 year college degree in selecting which car to buy, bidding on the car, getting it, and then how to make repairs on the cheap and yer safe. After all that, he may find great deals, but he also gets cars that he loses money. Lastly, people don't put a price on their time. If one is doing this 40+ hours a week, then that is one's job (or a side job). If you make $60K per year at a job, you will need to make $90K to $100K per year flipping cars to have the same net income. Most people completely over look the cost of benefits, health insurance, paying into SS and Medicare, paid vacation time, etc.
I saw OJ's video a week or two ago and was waiting for your video to see the backstory. I think you were very lucky with that added deal protection. I think the auction tried hard to push the deal but got the car back anyways. Good on you Sam.
That you found the car earlier rated as "Rough" gives you clear evidence that this was indeed criminal fraud, should be reported to the State Attorney General, and if this was an interstate affair, actually rises to a federal crime, FBI time... bet that dealership, arbitrator, etc. would not enjoy a visit from the feds...
Yeah, you can't "Sign away" criminal fraud. They just kept hoping you'd be a sucker and cave. Glad you didn't. My next call if they had kept saying it was mine would have been to the police and the DA. The dealer would have had to admit how they bought it, and that they did NOTHING to it mechanically to "magically" take it from a "rough" low rated car to a desirable high quality used one.
The police will say it is a civil matter and hang up. That leaves you with paying for a lawyer, court cost and rolling the dice with 12 people who couldn't get out of jury duty.
This is the reason I stopped buying cars at auction. I was a very small TH-camr doing videos for the fun in my spare time, but with dealers trying to scam people at the auctions has turned me off. I will find other things to spend my time on, now that i can't get out there and work on cars anymore.
This wasn't bad luck, this was blatant intentional deceit. If you didn't get it with the deal shield, what would your next move have been? Was there a higher authority you could appeal to? Or would the only way forward be through civil court?
Fun fact on CDL's. You can get them with endorsements to run different things. Mine has M/T/X for motorcycle/doubles/haz-mat and tanks which is pretty much everything common. They also have restrictions. I have "1" which is glasses (corrective lenses) while driving. There is also "E" which is automatic only and is becoming more common. It's right on the front, line 12. Someone claims that have them show you.
Arbitration is often a joke - on the consumer. Which side do you think they're going to take - the company that sends all their claims there and keeps the arbitrators in business, or the consumer that will never be seen again?
there are systems out there to see that bias out of the equation like JAMS.. just have to read the fine print and make sure they're using blind arbitration.
Dude I saw the fluid motion Union video and all I could say was OMG!! over and over again, Their video and yours can be considered a big-time wake up call for anyone considering to do the same thing and what steps to do.
Emissions tampering is a serious crime. Replacing a ls7 with a ls3 is about as bad as it gets. In many states it would make the car unsellable due to emissions inspection requirements. IN my state the liability falls on the vehicle seller to assure the vehicle is conforming with emissions requirements when sold. Dealerships (new and otherwise) are usually held to this standard but it is not heard of for private party sales to end up in court over emissions laws violations.
I would be super happy with any base model Corvette. It's my dream car of all cars. I'm 57 years old and I keep telling myself I'll get one eventually.
You only got out of this whole because of your vast experience and knowledge of cars, the buying and selling process and your friends in the car world to give you assistance. If this had happened to me, I would have been screwed. Thanks for the lesson.
I bought 4.5/5 rated Audi Q7 from Manheim. Transported it over the ocean. It arrived with misfires on multiple cylinders. One of the exhaust valves was broken. Fixed that. Then the transmission needs rebuilding. Never buying from auctions again.
I knew I recognized OJ’s shop. It’s right up the street from my house. Definitely giving him a follow, nice to know he helps others out that are not just exotic owners ❤
It's the worst feeling when you go from thinking you got a good deal to someone trying to rip you off and you know they will do and say whatever to make it your problem.
I'm a dealer from 99 in California. Arbitration on Manheim and Adesa used to be difficult to win, but possible. I did it more than once. Today, you don't even have to waste time. It's practically impossible. The number of painted panels is no longer an argument. The seller writes CR what he wants and nothing will happen to him for it. Manheim and Adessa are not far from Copart today. True, the fees, although huge, are less than those of the crazy Copart and IaaI. It's a pity that we are going down.
Tbe auction & the seller owe you conpensation , dont you have trading standards in the US? 🇬🇧🏴 They would have their assets seized in germany until they paid all costs & times , they would be allowed to trade till they paid
I would absolutely sue the dealer and the auction for fraud and false advertising. The fact that they are so obviously coordinating to shut you down was proof enough but also how they stonewall you and then the moment you get things moving, against their favor, they are moving at lightspeed to halt you. This is bad, purposeful malpractice to a consumer. Completely unacceptable and all I think of is rich execs at these auctions trying to screw the average person while giving kickbacks to the dealer in order to get away with these scams. Disgusting
As a dealer I have dealt with inaccurate CR and bias arbitrators, among other issues. Now if buying online I only use auctions with buy back guarantee.
this is the second time something like this has happened, yet you refuse to name the auction house OR the seller. Sam, if you are actually interested in protecting consumers, you wouldn't run cover for the people who tried to rip you off.
It's not a risk free proposition to out an auction house or seller. They can sue you and cause all kinds of issues, the least of which is never being able to buy from them again. The other end is suing you for slander and/or lost income. They may or may not win but you are out thousands in legal fees, time and headaches. There are inherent risks buying from auction houses, and one should always pay for an independent inspection before buying any car sight unseen. Had this car not had the guarantee, sam would have been stuck with it.
The wheels and tires looked way too narrow for a Z06. Moral of the story seems to be if you can't inspect the car yourself, don't even think about buying it!
I just figure everyone is trying to hind something, but I'm not going to let someone put one over on me,....that's why I'm here in the comments tonight
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You will regret those Thailand tires. 20k miles they are throw aways! This entire story sounds fishy. At dealer auctions the car is there ( why did you have to pickup from dealer?) Second everyone knows there is never full disclosure 😂 We have never done it like you described. Are you a dealer?
He speaks the truth! I have purchased several set of tires for my vehicles from Priority Tire off eBay and I can attest that they are good quality tires and amazing prices! Fast shipping with no issues! I'm on my second set of tires on my work van and the tires for my Ford Explorer Sport Track were half the price then anywhere else I checked. You just have to be selective and make sure the tires you order are the correct ones for your vehicle. Don't buy car tires for your truck. Learned that the hard way.
I even bought a set of Engine Covers and Tires for this thing and never even got to see it! At least I Got 5% off any tires and accessories on Priority Tire's site with the code 'PTSAMCRAC924' until October 31st at: bit.ly/Samcrac_PriorityTire.
@TheRealCatof huh?
Thank you so very much for Making this video you saved me Thousands of dollars. I was going to buy a Corvette ZO6 but after watching this video I checked the Engine and it wasn't the right Engine. 🙏❤💪
I love that you're a Preds fan but, what did Kelce ever do to you? :)
What was the name of the auction company that did this to you so I never do business with them.
Naperville illinois..enough said Chicago area riddled with fraud
You need to out that dealer so no one else is scammed by them
1000%. Also - put the auction on blast. They are scumbags.
The auction house ultimately got scammed. They will deal with the dealer. It is what they do. Sam does not have to risk a legal battle, he obviously is shouldering enough risk as a buyer. _Caveat emptor._
@@beerwrenchgarageProbably Co-Part
If he doesn’t out the dealer, then it’s a useless video
@@geedubb-q1u he doesn’t want to be sued . That’s why . I don’t blame him . But Sam knew the car had frame damage . Car has 2 previous accidents with structural damage announcements on carfax
Thanks for trusting us, it was fun playing detective. Your new nickname is ScamCrac!
the goats
Love your channel and your work with Alex from LSC
Your guy didn't even know there is a cable to pull in the trunk to open each door when battery is dead!? 😂 great shop 🫣 crawling through a customer car as a dirty mechanic, nice!
@@peterg9528that’s what you took from this video? “He didn’t even know”. Are they supposed to memorize the features of all cars?
Rather than this being a "swapped" engine, could someone have just swapped body parts to make it look like this was a Z06?
1.7 to a 4.7 sounds like that dealer has an inside guy.
Someone 100% got a brown envelope.
That dealer's inside guy was the arbitrator who was doing everything he could to rule in the dealer's favor and against Sam.
@@td_kdname5197 it's a well known fact. Auctions need sellers more than buyers.
Yep. Payola
100%. I used to do condition reports at manheim and we had a crooked wholeseller who would pay off certain guys for inaccurately high condition reports. My boss made $15 an hour but had a new ford mustang and took a two week trip to Italy.
On multiple occasions they would log in to my credentials and write the fake condition reports. I own a car dealership now and all those slimeballs are gone except for the wholeseller, he's still there. You couldn't give me one of his cars.
"GM engine in a GM car"
Ya that's some horseshit. Someone was getting paid off by the dealer.
The mediator essentially works for the dealer. If he rules in favor of buyers, the dealers will find another mediator.
This should be illegal
Put a 2.5 iron duke from an s-10
I feel the dealer got scammed on a trade in. Whoever put the replacement engine in it was not an honest person. The dealer lost 10-20k and they wanted to push that off on someone that didn't know anything about cars. Probably would have worked with 95% of car buyers.
"GM engine in a GM car" so by that logic, a 4-pot Ecotec would be fine in a Z06.
I was thinking a 1.0 Vauxhall Nova engine.
Their "arbitration" system as worthless. I had a car show up with no title. seller had 30 days to produce. the back and forth went on for MONTHS before a title was finally produced. Car had losts 1000s in value (covid died down along with pricing) they didn't care. I ended up selling it for less than we paid.
My 2.5 iron Duke S10 engine is just as potent as your fancy LS
Gonna throw a Cadillac 8-6-4 in there now😝
Has GM made an sub 1L i3 engines?
Edit: Answer is yes. We need to convince him to source a Daewoo engine.
You need to name the seller as a scammer to protect your viewers from dealing with them. It’s the only way to stop scammers.
Unless Sam is ALSO a member of a much bigger corruption organisation...
I'd be lawyering up if it weren't for the Deal Shield.
There is a scam going on between the dealer, the auction house and the grading company, all need to be held accountable.
It's probably not possible to lawyer up if there's an arbitration clause which he had already used. Arbitration is generally not appealable. Even if your lawyer up.
@@gerardhughes I had the boiler plate arbitration papers from a reputable used dealer, and signed them. Had issues immediately, lawyered up, the arbitration was invalid due to 2 extenuating circumstances. I sued the dealer, won, and the local news picked it up. Five other people came forward with the same issues, all won. I won again when the lawyer, who is actually a really nice guy, refunded all of his fees because I brought him a bunch of other cases! The little guy wins once in a while. Always check with an attorney about those arbitration papers.
@@gerardhughes unless fraud is involved. which would be difficult to defend
Imagine if we had an ftc that actually had power. Could send them on these companies scamming
Exactly, its a ring and its painfully obvious people are getting kickbacks to spin this scam.
I'm a dealer. I bought a 1998 BMW M Roadster from carvana wholesaled through adesa clear. shipped it across the country to find out a standard 3.0 Z3 engine was put in it. I luckily arbitrated just in time and they took back the vehicle. Carvana takes in anything without a proper inspection
Carvana scamming people as usual
The only thing Carvana does is pick up the sold car. They don't do a serious check at pick up. I've sold to them and purchased a car that I had to return. I would never buy from them again, and warn others about them.
This was how Zillow, Redfin etc were buying houses to flip and lost a bunch of money. Just went with their algorithm like Carvana and bought these things without checking them out. It’s all good to trick investors when you fix the numbers but sooner or later the music stops and you’ve got egg on your face. Ask Zillow
This arbitrator sounds very shady. Definitely not a neutral party. Glad you got away from this vehicle fairly unscathed- though quite a headache.
Most likely went according to the guidelines which this car seemed to fall under.
Arbitration is a scam.
@@zackjay71 They are, most likely, right. Companies that use forced arbitration clauses generally have a use a specific 3rd party arbitrator for all of their arbitration claims that they are paying for. This means that the arbitrator might hedge their decisions in favor of the company if they can so they don't lose their business. For example, the excuse "it's a GM engine in a GM car" and the video showing the car running and driving being evidence of the truck driver breaking it when the engine was wrong and the truck driver was likely shown in the video not driving the car in the video could show that the arbitrator was biased in favor of the seller who was paying for their services.
Forced arbitration is preferred by companies to avoid litigation because arbitration generally cannot be appealed and is cheaper than getting sued repeatedly for shady business practices.
arbitrators are required to be neutral-arbitrators. If they are not neutral decision-makers, they are not arbitrators.
@@thisissparta1690 In a perfect world, that would be the case. But, if an arbitrator finds against the person who is paying them too often, that arbitrator will get less work going forward. That is human nature.
Its a shame there is no justice in this story. The auction house took no responsibility and there is nothing to stop them doing it to someone else.... without the "golden ticket".
For those wanting to know the dealer, the VIN is in the video. You can easily find out the delaer name.
Nope, VIN plate is obscured in the video.
@@125AXercheck video at 16:42
@@1975mabrown Aha! Yep, I missed that.
@@125AXer 1G1YZ26E195110135 Is the VIN. 2009 Corvette with the big engine
Good one!
Even an as-is sale can be reversed if there is fraud in the sale and if the seller misrepresents what they are selling, it is fraud. Glad to hear the auction refunded your money.
Arbitration sounds like they 100% sided with the seller, no evidence it was broken by the driver, no chance it was a 4.7 grade, frame damage + wrong engine (it's a GM so meh?) + no clutch.... hmmm .... interesting on the Fluid Motion video a previous owner popped up and confirmed it had the wrong engine in it when they had it, all in all a blessing it had the deal shield on, a good outcome was finding Fluid Motrorunion's channel :)
Dealer committed criminal fraud. They knowingly misrepresented the car. Good thing they took it back, the next step would have been for Sam to involve the DA and police.
@@spazoqActually the seller got out of it because of the auction policy. The auction will resell it and lose whatever amount.
I was extremely surprised. This entire story would take me 2 hours if I had to go over every angle, but the arbitrator that I got assigned couldn't have cared about anything here. In my experience, arbitration has generally been fair. After the fact here, I forwarded all of this to management, and they did call back apologizing and agreeing that the engine issue should've been sided on my behalf. The dealshield thing is interesting because ultimately the Auction House will own the car, and they'll dump it for literal peanuts, while at least marking the car red light and likely disclosing the engine swap so at this point its a safe sale. But it opens up the potential to get this thing back on the market as a great deal on a Z06 😵💫
Is this mechanic friends with LST?
@@Samcrac Having Deal Shield seems like quite a coincidence. Who decided to include it? I'd be suspicious that they knew they needed it.
Deal Shield coming in clutch. Love seeing honest repair shops like OJ's using their skill to help people out! Great vid, glad everything worked out in the end.
Why do TH-camrs NEVER call out the guilty dealerships. It’s so annoying
Don't want to be sued.
@@leonidastg Very true. You know this dealer would sue him if he said their name. And then he would have to hire an attorney to defend himself, and in the end be out a bunch of money.
Because dealers are usually part of big ownership groups that can be very litigious. Not worth spending the money.
He could of put the dealers name on a 3rd party site and then told viewers to check that unrelated site to find out who the dealer is.
Because the US is a very litigious society and is one of the few countries in the world that does not have loser pays laws.
So in other words, the Corvette was equipped with a millennial anti-theft device.
I bought a 2002 RSX at IAA who gave it a score of 50 out of 50 and because it had a clean title and was a run and drive, I used a broker to confidently bid on it. However, when I arrived at the auction site to collect the vehicle the clutch was toast, and the manual gear box was stuck in third gear. The truth is do not ever rely on the BS the auctioneer claims. If you cannot go see the car in person first pass if you care about your money!
Clifford’s towing not having a big red dog as a mascot is a Disgrace 9:50
Refuse payment until you get autographed photos.... of the dog.
Sounds like to me someone from arbortration should be sent home without a job.
Sounds to me like someone from arbitration got a little kickback from the sellers.
Not home, sent to jail for fraud.
@@eddominates arbitrator gets paid by auction house. Auction house gets paid when they sell. Arbitrator has incentive to side with seller to be rehired because auction house got to keep thekr fee.
@@chubbysumo2230 he who pays the piper calls the tune.
Nah…. This is why they keep their job. They do what is in the interest of them. Not you.
I’m glad that all your troubles went away on this corvette. A really good video on buyer beware. There are more crooks than good guys in America these days. Starting at the top and then all the way down. Your friend OJ was really cool to help you out. We need more OJs in the world.
America is a complete shithole
What a consummate proficient professional. I’ve seen Fluid loads of times on Alex channel. A class act. Congratulations Sam. Glad you didn’t let dealers jam you up
There is no more suitable and potent image or symbol for our time than the image of the car delivery driver who is unable to drive the cars he is tasked to deliver. This perfectly sums up the world we now find ourselves in.
Brilliant statement,.....Brilliant
Arbitrator knew the car had the Deal Shield and figured "IDGAF."
I don't disagree
Yeah, sounds like an insurance company was involved somewhere. Deny everything three times, then settle.
@@Samcractake a look at what happened at MMTLP stock... SEC... allowed the sale of counterfeit stock..and then shut down trading....and kept everyones money...65000 traders..lost 💯 percent of their money..USA a scam..market. A scam
these days, having body cam is what prevents scams. If the truck driver had one, it would have proved the dealer was lying and liable
more flood cars from hurricane sure to be on copart within 6 months
true. I'm okay for right now
Yep so so many.....
There are going to be A LOT! Just one of my friends lost three, one a Porsche Panamera. Luckily, his good cars (911 GT3, 911 S/T, 1970 Shelby GT500, a couple of Vipers, a couple of Ferraris, and a few that slip my mind) were kept in a different location farther from the Bay. Then there are all his neighbors, people on Davis Islands, on the coast. His beach house in Redington Beach had four feet of water in it, so there's going to be some big-money cars out there.
Maybe if we're lucky it will be another P1.
Going to be a ton of them from the Carolinas
I don't think I will ever buy a car remotely. Especially used cars bought "as is" need to be inspected in person. I don't need these legal entanglements.
yep... u invite trouble by doing that.
I'm in charge of doing arbitrations at the used car dealer I work at. The #1 thing to consider is that it's the arbitrators job to keep the deal together, they will do everything they can in order to make that happen. #2 escalating arbitration decisions to management works quite well as well. #3 fuck auctions and their arbitration departments.
so how does that work not being a neutral party 😂
@@memphis_sean8169 it's called an arbitration to make you think it's that when it's just customer service.
but @polskipaul7567 are the people who evaluate the car typically different or same as the arbitrators? like it just sounded like they didn't want to get a mark on having messed up or cheated themselves
@@memphis_sean8169 Just like Sam related : poorly.
Sam you get the “perseverance” award you seem to weather a shit storm every episode and you doing it in style! great channel!
I was scammed by the North Boston Copart location because they allowed a covered up damage vehicle to be sold. I bought a "clear title" Escape that was Off Location. The pictures looked great and with a clear title, I thought the damage could not be that bad. Man was I wrong. The Off Location owner covered up how this car had been hit so hard in the rear that it bent the frame rails in the rear and front. They repainted the deck lid and put in a radiator support from a totally different color vehicle. The front fenders were shoved backwards into the A pillars. I was sick when the car arrived at my house in Arizona. I had bought this car for my daughter who was starting college and I wouldn't put her in the car. I had to run the car back through the Copart auction where I live and I noted the damage. I lost $7000 because of terrible people who would screw someone else. I learned the reason it had a "Clear title" was that it was a rental car and rental car companies don't have to report damage. I hope this helps others not to make the same mistake I made. I am a 40 year automotive professional and I was sick and embarrassed that I let this happen to me.
40 years in auto and you never heard that cars go to auction for a reason?
Never buy a car from the rust belt.
@@327JohnnySS In Canada any car from the rust belt has to be labeled as such. Little to no consumer protection in the USA.
You know 90% if not more cars from Copart are cars from Accidents right ?
I had a decent side hustle in the 1990s-2000s buying and selling Vettes.
The biggest frustration, by far, was dealing with transport brokers.
I would give them DETAILED pickup instuctions to give to the driver.
The drivers NEVER received the instuctions.
You're giving me PTSD here
You knew you were talking to the Broker . I always ask for the driver's phone number . Brokers do not care once they have your deposit .
Sam, your experience here was a real eye opener. When someone like you who knows his way around auction cars runs into bias like that, it's really disturbing. In my mind I'm really pissed that a dealer can get away with blatant lying. Worst yet he's assisted in doing it. There really should be more recourse brought to the dealer and arbitrator alike.
Samcrac, you did an absolutely amazing job of documenting this whole transaction and presenting it to your viewers! I am in total awe of how organized and focused you were through this whole process. When I get in similar situations, I typically lose my temper and go nuts which is a huge fail!
Ah yes, the common scams of 60s muscle cars resurface. Like a '67 427 vette with a turd 454 truck engine stuffed in. Hertz rent a racer Shelbys that had the HI-PO 289 yanked and returned with a lame two barrel stocker from a base coupe. Our gearhead grandfathers warned us.
When I was in the service in the 90's, guys would rent cars for the weekend. Cheapest way way to get a new set of tires for their personal cars. Took the rental companies a while to figure out why their cars had worn out tires.
Best Scam Ever!!
I wish I could find a trustworthy auto shop that could be trusted around here. Glad you have that connection.
Guys, Only buy auction cars from insurance companies. 99% of dealers are scammers.
Insurance auctions are only a small fraction of auction sales. Also most people don’t want to buy a car with branded title. Also most people are not equipped or have the skill to repair a damaged car. Not to mention the cost of parts to repair modern cars
ex-gov auctions can be good, if you know which services to stay away from.
I love that you stuck to your guns and didn’t give up and settle for the loss. Keep your content coming I always look forward to it!!
OJ @Fluid Motor is a badass. Good people over there, 100% straight forward service, no gimmicks.
video starts at 03:45
You should name the dealership that tried to scam you.
Others said copart
@@Nicholas-f5its not a copart. It’s probably manheim
@@67v67 There are a few entities. One is a "dealer" Another is carvanna. And another I think is the auctioneer. Which is Manheim
Your videos are so good. They just feel like a genuine thing that you are going through rather than someone turning on the camera to generate content and money. Keep it up
Arbitration is NEVER in the buyers favour
This story illustrates a thought I've had for years. Lots of people look at these stories and are envious of the apparent good deals in cars that Sam gets. Most people fail to factor in that Sam has the equivalent knowledge of a 4 to 6 year college degree in selecting which car to buy, bidding on the car, getting it, and then how to make repairs on the cheap and yer safe. After all that, he may find great deals, but he also gets cars that he loses money.
Lastly, people don't put a price on their time. If one is doing this 40+ hours a week, then that is one's job (or a side job). If you make $60K per year at a job, you will need to make $90K to $100K per year flipping cars to have the same net income. Most people completely over look the cost of benefits, health insurance, paying into SS and Medicare, paid vacation time, etc.
I saw OJ's video a week or two ago and was waiting for your video to see the backstory. I think you were very lucky with that added deal protection. I think the auction tried hard to push the deal but got the car back anyways. Good on you Sam.
OJ probably could have disclosed were the vehicle came from as long as he didn’t make any slanderous claims.
Guaranteed the original LS7 dropped a valve during track use and this was their fix
When you buy tires online is a great savings UNTIL you find your local tire shops prices for mounting and balancing!
Well, if you don't want to buy your tires from me, I'm gonna charge double for M&B. 😂
@@ManMountainMetals ur a loser 💀
That’s why you mount them yourself at the junkyard and pray they’re balanced enough 👍🏾🤣🤣
There's like 4 dozen tire shops in any given 5 mile radius here in Florida
i still save a ton of money buying online
FYI with RAW video footage, it should have a color profile applied to it so that it doesn't look too grey.
Thats footage from Fluid Motor Unions channel.
Caveat Emptor Auctions are SCAMMY SCAMMY business! there is so much shady crap that goes down. KNOW WHAT YOU ARE BUYING BEFORE YOU BID! Buyer Beware!
Internet auctions are sketchy. Normal auctions where you can check out what you are interested in are a bit safer.
That you found the car earlier rated as "Rough" gives you clear evidence that this was indeed criminal fraud, should be reported to the State Attorney General, and if this was an interstate affair, actually rises to a federal crime, FBI time... bet that dealership, arbitrator, etc. would not enjoy a visit from the feds...
Yeah, you can't "Sign away" criminal fraud. They just kept hoping you'd be a sucker and cave. Glad you didn't. My next call if they had kept saying it was mine would have been to the police and the DA. The dealer would have had to admit how they bought it, and that they did NOTHING to it mechanically to "magically" take it from a "rough" low rated car to a desirable high quality used one.
The police will say it is a civil matter and hang up.
That leaves you with paying for a lawyer, court cost and rolling the dice with 12 people who couldn't get out of jury duty.
@@1978garfield Federal, it would be the FBI. Sorry.
This is the reason I stopped buying cars at auction. I was a very small TH-camr doing videos for the fun in my spare time, but with dealers trying to scam people at the auctions has turned me off. I will find other things to spend my time on, now that i can't get out there and work on cars anymore.
Excellent video this month. My guess is the dealer has done this many times, and this time got caught.
I dealt with car auctions for over 20 years when I had a Chevrolet franchise. Some of them are very unethical and it never seems to change.
This wasn't bad luck, this was blatant intentional deceit.
If you didn't get it with the deal shield, what would your next move have been? Was there a higher authority you could appeal to? Or would the only way forward be through civil court?
I would hope Sam would lawyer up, he's got a clear case here. And I would think the auction house would want to quickly settle to avoid bad publicity.
Fun fact on CDL's. You can get them with endorsements to run different things. Mine has M/T/X for motorcycle/doubles/haz-mat and tanks which is pretty much everything common. They also have restrictions. I have "1" which is glasses (corrective lenses) while driving. There is also "E" which is automatic only and is becoming more common. It's right on the front, line 12. Someone claims that have them show you.
Arbitration is often a joke - on the consumer. Which side do you think they're going to take - the company that sends all their claims there and keeps the arbitrators in business, or the consumer that will never be seen again?
there are systems out there to see that bias out of the equation like JAMS.. just have to read the fine print and make sure they're using blind arbitration.
Here in the UK, we have several sayings, one of them being "Never trust a used car dealer", and this is a perfect example of why.
Dude I saw the fluid motion Union video and all I could say was OMG!! over and over again, Their video and yours can be considered a big-time wake up call for anyone considering to do the same thing and what steps to do.
Emissions tampering is a serious crime. Replacing a ls7 with a ls3 is about as bad as it gets. In many states it would make the car unsellable due to emissions inspection requirements. IN my state the liability falls on the vehicle seller to assure the vehicle is conforming with emissions requirements when sold. Dealerships (new and otherwise) are usually held to this standard but it is not heard of for private party sales to end up in court over emissions laws violations.
Anyone notice the need for speed bmw at 17:17? Its a really bad replica, but still neat.
I didn't notice until you pointed it out. Looks to have an incorrect rear spoiler, etc. Good eye on your part!
I would be super happy with any base model Corvette. It's my dream car of all cars. I'm 57 years old and I keep telling myself I'll get one eventually.
That arbitrator and dealer have bad karma coming their way
You only got out of this whole because of your vast experience and knowledge of cars, the buying and selling process and your friends in the car world to give you assistance. If this had happened to me, I would have been screwed. Thanks for the lesson.
I learned 2 things from this video………
#1 don’t trust auctions
#2 Oj at fluid motor union is the best !
End of story 😉👍🏻😁
I bought 4.5/5 rated Audi Q7 from Manheim. Transported it over the ocean. It arrived with misfires on multiple cylinders. One of the exhaust valves was broken. Fixed that. Then the transmission needs rebuilding. Never buying from auctions again.
Does anyone remember "The Auction Corvette", aka, "Ruby" that Cleetus purchased...?!? Corvettes never came with iron 5.3Ls...!!!!!
That was another one with a truck engine swap
Never buy a car from anywhere near Chicago and expect it to be nice and problem free.
Cleetus has the same with Ruby he got a 5.3 in a Corvette... it was the truck engine...
Sam, you are top tier in explaining the ins and outs of auction issues. Kudos to you brother.
The dealership broke the clutch dogging out your Z06. They came up with this story to coverup.
Fluidmotorunion crawling into the driver's seat through the trunk door is dedication. 😁
Don't buy a car you can't inspect...
auction house suppose to do a very complete inspection, in this case it was fraud
I knew I recognized OJ’s shop. It’s right up the street from my house. Definitely giving him a follow, nice to know he helps others out that are not just exotic owners ❤
Well, we going back to buying dominos pizza cars
It's the worst feeling when you go from thinking you got a good deal to someone trying to rip you off and you know they will do and say whatever to make it your problem.
Wondering if you have a theory as to why the arbitrator was so biased. Perhaps some thing you're not willing to write but I am curious
Bribery comes to mind.
I'm a dealer from 99 in California. Arbitration on Manheim and Adesa used to be difficult to win, but possible. I did it more than once. Today, you don't even have to waste time. It's practically impossible. The number of painted panels is no longer an argument. The seller writes CR what he wants and nothing will happen to him for it. Manheim and Adessa are not far from Copart today. True, the fees, although huge, are less than those of the crazy Copart and IaaI. It's a pity that we are going down.
Tbe auction & the seller owe you conpensation , dont you have trading standards in the US? 🇬🇧🏴 They would have their assets seized in germany until they paid all costs & times , they would be allowed to trade till they paid
The answer is practically and virtually, NO.
trading standards? inn the US? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The only standards in the US is screw the next guy, its like 3rd world that happens to be developed and with guns.
I did learn something......that the thought i have always had about most car dealerships being scumbags is true
M*****m arbitration is a joke. I had a similar outcome on a Jaguar.
Manheim? MANHEIM!
I would absolutely sue the dealer and the auction for fraud and false advertising. The fact that they are so obviously coordinating to shut you down was proof enough but also how they stonewall you and then the moment you get things moving, against their favor, they are moving at lightspeed to halt you. This is bad, purposeful malpractice to a consumer. Completely unacceptable and all I think of is rich execs at these auctions trying to screw the average person while giving kickbacks to the dealer in order to get away with these scams. Disgusting
I usually just skip any deal that looks to good to be true unless I’m an expert.
I should've consulted you before buying this. Obviously everyone else had it figured out before I did
As a dealer I have dealt with inaccurate CR and bias arbitrators, among other issues. Now if buying online I only use auctions with buy back guarantee.
Need to drop the name of the dealership! This is insane.
Yes Sam, I learned something. It’s not any use to me, which speaks to how good the video is in spite of it being unrelated to my interest.
Not of any use to you *now*. It may come in handy, later.
this is the second time something like this has happened, yet you refuse to name the auction house OR the seller. Sam, if you are actually interested in protecting consumers, you wouldn't run cover for the people who tried to rip you off.
It’s not worth the lawsuit that would follow. It’s an expensive fight and not worth the fight
He did name the auction house, just not verbally.
It's not a risk free proposition to out an auction house or seller. They can sue you and cause all kinds of issues, the least of which is never being able to buy from them again. The other end is suing you for slander and/or lost income. They may or may not win but you are out thousands in legal fees, time and headaches.
There are inherent risks buying from auction houses, and one should always pay for an independent inspection before buying any car sight unseen. Had this car not had the guarantee, sam would have been stuck with it.
@@Itstime2029 1.47million subscribers say it is.....................
@@1176hambone 10k+ in court costs and attorney fees over several years says it isn't.
Never in a million years would I ever buy a track car
so why not name the dealer?
Doesn't want to get sued
AutoAffari LLC is the dealer name located in Sacramento California
@@abraham_--7020Reading some of the reviews and it seems like this is their mo.
The wheels and tires looked way too narrow for a Z06.
Moral of the story seems to be if you can't inspect the car yourself, don't even think about buying it!
I'm very reluctant to buy a used car anymore. Too many people doing things to them just to make a buck.
then shell out 6
figure's for a new one
@@startingtech3900 and lose half of it to depreciation.
Or get on a bike 💪
I just figure everyone is trying to hind something, but I'm not going to let someone put one over on me,....that's why I'm here in the comments tonight
shell out minimum 65,000 for a new one, that will have SO many more issues after 4 years.
That is absolutely absurd. I knew what the scam was before even starting the video. I've seen multiple people do that with Z06
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I started pretty low investing in forex though with $1,2500 thereabouts. The returns came massive. My son Joe is in school now doing well, telling me of new friends she's meeting in school. (Maria Williams ) is a Blessing to my life
Wow 😲I know this woman mentioned here . She's really good with and on her job. She's helped a couple of families and individuals' finances
This would give me a headache.. I'm glad you have the ressources to be able to handle this. Thanks for the info
Sam give me a shout we’ll make this thing rip!
You will regret those Thailand tires. 20k miles they are throw aways! This entire story sounds fishy. At dealer auctions the car is there ( why did you have to pickup from dealer?) Second everyone knows there is never full disclosure 😂 We have never done it like you described. Are you a dealer?
Hope you are alright Sam.
He speaks the truth! I have purchased several set of tires for my vehicles from Priority Tire off eBay and I can attest that they are good quality tires and amazing prices! Fast shipping with no issues! I'm on my second set of tires on my work van and the tires for my Ford Explorer Sport Track were half the price then anywhere else I checked. You just have to be selective and make sure the tires you order are the correct ones for your vehicle. Don't buy car tires for your truck. Learned that the hard way.
Now you only have one job left. broadcast the name of the dealer and arbitrator tk the world so that there practices are made public.
hes afraid of being sued.
For a video where you don't fix a single thing, this was a great thriller. Glad to hear it worked out in the end.
I’ll give you $1500 for it if you can cover shipping.