306 inches and 288 cfm@ .600 is never going to net 400whp. I calculated 469 on a 230 cam with 8:1 dcr and 7400 RPM. There are other ways to get higher NA power on 306 with known heads but they are impractical because all those ways are high rpm. I see you went straight rich with the Viper but this was a cool build. On the bright side if the motor is not near maximum effort somehow with some imbalanced choices, it should make 469 whp NA until the cows evolve into flying cows and fly home.
*addendum* * my labor costs are very likely on the high side since the shop that rebuilt my motor specializes in LS (this was their first 3v) * with respect to power, i think i (accidentally) lowered my compression ratio with the non-OEM ported heads (bigger chamber size) * at 4,500 feet i don't think there's enough air pressure for the stock heads to act as a restriction, possibly no benefit from ported heads until boost * the yOu sHoUld HavE CoYotE sWapPed iT folks are annoying, but they're not wrong * i am going to get this thing to 400whp before boosting
Wow first of all nice job sticking with the three valve I also have a three valve pro charge mustang stock internals for 485 RWHP .My question to you is did you consider buying a complete motor first that was already done versus having a shop do it
Man I’m not sure if e85 would be a viable option but I’m running e85 on my 3v and it gave it a kick and I’m already FBO just had to buy some 47Ib injectors and get 450 Walbro pump lol. Once I slap the hot rod cams I’ll for sure get my car on the dyno and see what it makes lol.
But I also forgot to say you should be able to turn up the RPM with the new cams that you plan on adding. I’m pretty sure the car should have a better top end as well since the motor is already stroked.
I was shocked about the horsepower number too. I’ve seen cars put down 20 horsepower more without the stroker kit and forged internals. Hopefully the right cams bring his numbers up cause I’d be devastated if my all motor build made FBO Cam numbers.
Love how you are dedicated to the build on this platform. Nice to see you not complain about lower hp numbers, but you are now set up for a reliable build with crazy numbers if you desire
What a nice Saturday surprise! An interesting OEM option might be Ford Racing's M-6009-B53 shortblock that's 5.3L and is rated for 1000hp and sells for $6250. It's gotten more $$$$ over the years!
Well now you know the secret. The 5.3L is rated for a 1000 to 1500 hp depending on the parts and how far you’re willing to go . Recommend you engine swap a v6 Mustang 2005 because there’s no fancy work needed for the swap
Always excited when Four Eyes pops up in my notifications, i was planning on rebuilding my 06 Gt's engine with your guide, but i made a crucial mistake, i bought an automatic :/
I've been following your build for several years now and just wanted to chime in to say that Kenne Bell's Tech Line Director, Mike DeCourcey has a 2005 4.6 3V daily driver with a built bottom end and their 3.2L Liquid Cooled Mammoth Supercharger kit making 816rwhp (960 flywheel hp). He mentions that his car has stock heads, stock cams, stock coil packs, stock cats, stock exhaust and tuned 60-70 lb injectors, dual 75 mm throttle body. Just wanted to mention this as an alternative to turbo charging. I believe the 3.2L LC Mammoth kit runs about $7K. Good Luck with your build and thanks for keeping everyone updated.
Love this build, like you, I think we were all hoping for better numbers but I appreciate you using the 3v platform. It's so easy to swap it with 5.0 or ls for the power for less money but building the 3v is awesome.
Killer video, you hit every major point, quality is fantastic, and you very clearly explain everything you talk about. Love your videos, always looking forward to the next one
@@ec5838 the only thing I can’t do is porting, hot tanking, resurfacing, and stuff like that. But I mean like cams and stuff, lemme save myself a LOT of money
@@mikeepperson792 I hear ya man, fortunately I'm a machinist and have access to CNC machines, but while I can pretty much do anything I want, I still sub out some jobs cause its easier lol. The big stuff that takes a ton of time is usually pretty easy to do yourself and thats where the bulk of the labor costs come in. Couple weekends in the garage you save yourself $10k easy. Just a lot of grease, sweat, blood, and maybe some tears XD. Nothing beats that feeling of satisfaction tho too. :D
@@mikeepperson792 Hehe not usually but sometimes you know, when those two piece shitty spark plugs go *click* when you are trying to pull em... hahaha!
Great video.... I'm an LS owner. You just gave me sticker shock. I took stock 1998 LS1 and for $11K added a Vortech V3si supercharger from A&A Corvette and a 3.42 geared rear end from RPM transmissions... Didn't even add headers. Ended up with 472 WHP/440 TQ through the A4 auto trans. You have stunned me that 370 WHP cost $16,000.... I can appreciate your dedication!
No, please, save your money on cams and keep what you have. You're spending so much even MY bank account is hurting! The turbos should take care of the rest!
Great content, sir! I’m an LS guy myself. Having you breakdown parts cost, labor costs, and time to build in this video is worth its weight in gold. Thank you for sharing valuable content. Thanks 🙏🏽
I use to be a long man or chevy man like your self all my life till 2002 when I try to by a new camaro and they told me the gm stop making the camaro because the corvette sales were dropping that's when I hated gm with passion at the time I was 23 years old I had a decent job enough to pay for a brand new camaro but the corvette was like 1200 bucks a month plus 300 insurance so I think gm is just thinking about them selfs and not there customers the next year I bought a new 2003 cobra and I been a Ford man ever since and I really love it on every single way I like the way Ford brings new technology to engineering motors and I don't like the way gm still has the same push rod engine for stupid prices but that's my mentality if I was the owner of a multi billion dollar company I would care or try to at least to see what my customers want to buy not just because something is not selling stop making that product the everyone's want just to sale an expensive product and force to sale it
I'm doing the same thing except I have a v6 car with a saleen s281sc motor swapped into it and a fully forged bottom end. Gonna push the limits of the stock blower and then probably a kenny bell blower and e85 to get towards 800whp. Looking forward to seeing your build done! You might not upload ad often as other creators but the content is so much higher quality and information heavy that it's worth the wait!
@@Somber.Killer Who said you have to go to an expensive school. Obviously you can TH-cam it. But college gives you more opportunities than just instructions.
@@user-yk5xk5re3p That's true if your looking for a career. Stay away from the technical institutes like UTI. Go to community college if possible or just try to get on at a dealership. My friend started from lube tech to master tech at Chevy in about 5 or 6 years.
@@Somber.Killer that's what I did, went to community. I even picked up some welding skills as well. Some instructors used to work at UTI said its crap school. Then again learning is not about where you go it's on you if you really want to learn and how much.
The point of return style fuel systems is to control pressure spikes and drops. The fuel pressure sensor is relative to your manifold pressure. If it reads 5psi of boost, the ecu will try to maintain 55 psi. When in actuality it is at 60 psi. This variability can cause pressure spikes because the pulse width that that fuel pump gets changed on the fly to control pressures.
Really interesting to see how much you spent. I’m planning on going stroker before boost and when I pieced the parts list together it was maybe 1/3 of your final cost. Looks like I’ll definitely be doing it myself to avoid the massive labor cost. Hope those high lift cams bring your numbers up. This is turning into one of the sickest 3V builds in my book.
Thank you for sharing the details. I'm building my 03 Mach 1 Mustang engine right now. 5k in parts and 2k in labor for machine work. These engines are deffinetly expensive to build.
You’re the only dude on TH-cam building 1000 hp three valve or at least trying to love your content I have an 07 California special with a three Valve planning on putting a turbo on it soon i’ll bill the engine after I blow it up three valves or a dime a dozen get one from the junkyard for about 1000 maybe a little more maybe a little less i’ll let you know how long it last still have to upgrade the fuel system before I install it I have every bolt on that you can put on three valve Including camshaft wish me luck
As always I love your videos, looking forward to the next one, and I’m hanging in there for the long haul. I will see you turn this thing into a supercar!
I like all of your videos that I have seen. In my opinion this one has to be the best. It's short with so much detail. All the pictures...perfection. Thank you! Im sure mustang fans will enjoy this one for many years to come.
I love the passion to see this project through. Luckily for me my SHO doesn't cost much to get 400 wheel hp and high 400s torque...but I'm in the same boat if I want over 600hp wheel hp. Excellent video brother.
I did this exact same rebuild for my 2007 mustang. This is a great video with good insight but do not waste the money unless you plan on installing forced induction also. Dont forget also that if you decide to do this for big HP you need a clutch, transmission, rear diff, axles, possibly a drive line. Luckily I did all my work myself so there was no labor costs except for the machine work, but I was into my build about $15k with EVERYTHING. I also recommend a return fuel system if you plan on the big HP numbers and especially if you want to run E85, E90, or E100, whatever your state has. I had twin 465 litre pumps and couldn't get over 700 whp with E85 because the fuel system could not support it. I did make 905whp on 110 race fuel. MMR is the place to go for modular motor parts.
Hey man, I've watched all your videos a few times and even used a snippet of your dyno run in one of my previous videos. Could you tell you me what transmission you ended up going with? I think I read you got a rebuilt 5-speed and it failed multiple times? Also what clutch did you go with and how do you like it? Thanks for watching man and it's badass you did all the work yourself 💪
@@Four_Eyes I used the stock Tremec 3650 but yes I had it fully built but it did fail on me 2 times before I took it out and went with a 5 speed TKO with face plated gears from liberty gears that claimed to withstand 1500 hp. Never had a problem with that one. I used the McLeod RXT twin disk clutch and that seemed to do fine, but I also sent it in and had them rebuild it every winter. With the big cam and clutch it became not as fun to drive in traffic because it would studder and shake at low speeds. I appreciate you watching and good luck with your videos, I enjoy watching them.
2021 and still modding the 3v, luvin your vids. I recently bought a one owner 07 GT all original with only 943 miles on it and the new car smell. Looking forward to the next video.
@@DanielDaniel1 I mean there are some pretty V6's, just most of them are so beaten to hell that there's no way they could ever look nice again. They also don't look stock. Mine is a pretty good example of a V6, check my instagram out @tbcarlingjr to see it
My man! Amazing content as always good sir. I'm working on my 06 Roush at this very moment, Brembo brake upgrade, and I'm very close to pulling the trigger on an engine to essentially recreate your build on a stand to put in later. Your breakdown, research and attention to detail are top notch, keep up the good work!
Love the build and the content you put out brotha but this doesn't make any sense. You were making around 360hp with full bolts on. Since then you increased displacement, added stage 3 ported heads and with better fuel system and now your at 370hp. ??????..... If you're sure this dyno is correct, and its properly tuned then I hope you call Livernois and tell em you want refund. they stated +75hp with stock cams.
I'm a track guy, race, not drag. IDGAF about a 40 roll. I use these for tracking and Tail of the Dragon. I daily a coyote powered Mustang but in my experience, a 3v 4.6 Mustang with intake, tune and a Roush suspension kit with stabilizer bars and Wilwood/Brembo brake kit is more than enough to dive into hard corners and blast out of them and be competitive with other drivers. I have a few cars and I tend to spin if I attempt this with my Coyote. (My 1991 ZR-1 kills my 2013 Mustang GT on the track quite easily so far). If you know you know, otherwise you're just slamming the throttle from light to light. Thank you for showing us this incredible Mustang man. It's certainly got a lot of attention! I'd keep it!
There are a few guys with single turbo 3v motors in my city. They all make 700+whp. As long as that bottom end you built can hold and the tuner knows what he's doing, you should be able to make some good power.
Good morning, last year I had to rebuild my 2008 mustang GT 4.6. and not spend nearly as much. But in a nutshell I got 380 horsepower and 356 ftlb to the ground. This is my first time ever commenting on a TH-cam. I would love to send you a picture of my dino sheet to show you. Call me ignorant don't give a crap. But if you are interested I wouldn't mind discussing with you what I did and how I went about everything. When I was doing research rebuilding mine I watched your videos back then . I like your channel you helped me with my build maybe I can add some information for yours, or maybe not. Please do not take this as mine's better than yours or yours is better than mine it has nothing to do with that. Knowledge is power. Take care. Chris
If your compression ratio has ‘accidently’ dropped, you may be in a perfect position for boost...perhaps a centrifugal blower would give you what you’re after. I didn’t catch if you have upgraded the stock 5 speed.
That's uh, a decent chunk of change for 370bhp. I know it's NA but still. Granted it'll handle that power very reliably and it's ready for a lot of boost for the future which is probably better than what I had to do to my Audi BAM engine to make similar numbers. Nice to see someone mod one of these though rather than just Coyote swap it. That's the easy way out. Now you get a sub :)
So the price for all the upgrades is a bit steep for performance per dollar but I appreciate a few things about this project. It’s a 3v, love the incremental upgrades and really focusing on efficiency, details regarding how the upgrades responded, and in the end this is your car. You are doing it your way. I’ve seen people spend more money and gotten less out of a project so appreciate the videos!
I am down here in Phoenix Arizona. The dyno shop that did mine is called dynocomp in Scottsdale Arizona. The owner Richard when I was looking for a dyno shop interviewing multiple that is. One of the things that I liked the most about him was this. If you are looking to see a particular number on the dyno go someplace else. If you want maximum power out of your engine but reliable and trustworthy I'll do it. Because I guarantee you go to any other dyno shop after I've done my tune on your car they will get a higher number by leaning out and jacking with the timing to unsafe conditions. The thing with your heads definitely can be a thing. A lot of people forget that engines are air pumps air in air out. When it comes to doing this kind of stuff that you and I are doing you got to figure up your volumetric efficiency in short how efficient is each cylinder pulling in air and utilizing it. But I would really like to potentially talk to you on the phone about this stuff if you're interested. I don't know enough about this TH-cam communication because I know I don't want my contact information out for everybody and I'm sure you don't either but anyhow. If you don't want to because of too many weirdos out there. I get it. At the end of the day it's all good! And doing this kind of stuff is a lot of fun hell I just got done last weekend porting my throttle body. Which by the way collapsed my JLT air cleaner. Good luck In the regards to porting the heads I did port my heads I did a lot of research into it talking to guys that do porting that are willing to talk about it which is far and few between.
You're definitely right about this video I did a full PI swap on my Mustang and it cost me a hell of a lot of money but you know the old saying if you want to play you gotta pay.
I get excited when your videos pop up i get to have all the fun while you spend all the money. Seriously though I always enjoyed the different builds and I know what will work and what wont om my beautiful 2008 with just 10 k miles. Thanks
Get that boost on there! Think we're all waiting for that! I'm digging this build as I want to do the same thing to a 3v they have much potential and when you put the cost of a new or used 5.0 you can pick up a 08' gt for 10k or less, put 10k into it with boost and be happy with it, or get a loan for 40k on a stock 5.0, but to each is there own I guess, I love the apr gt500 body kit that will work with a gt, minus a few parts and thats the look I like!
Seeing your videos/other 3v encouraged me to get a 4.6 3v and start my build this winter. 2007 GT deluxe,NA build. I won't port the heads or forge it though😅😅😂 Love your car and build. Been following for a few months so I get excited when you post new videos.
The reason the car is not making power is because of static compression ratio Getting more aggressive cams will make the power loss even worse because of because of overlap. Aggressive cams rely on overlap to make more power. When overlap is introduced in the combustion chamber It lowers compression that's why really aggressive cams should be paired with high compression pistons. Generally Turbo supercharge cams have high lift but try to keep the overlap to a minimum that's the difference between an NA Cam and a Turbo Cam. It's also the reason why a lot of supercharge engines when they go with more aggressive cams it lowers the boost because there's less back pressure in The combustion cycle.
So cheaper to Boost a 6 banger and get way more power. Cheaper to build an LS and get more power too. That really is a labor of love, good for this guy. I can respect this, that's love for what you own and that's admirable no matter what platform.
I could have sworn you got the car up and past 400rwhp in a previous video! $16.5k to have the car sitting where it is seems real intense, but hopefully it's at least at a point where it can start making the power with its forged internals. Can't wait to see what's to come!
people don’t understand where the power comes from which is the heads and cam in a NA which he hasn’t even touched. The bottom end is meant to withstand the power, the shot of nos, the forced air coming in. He probably could’ve put heads cam and stock bottom end and got up to 400+whpand spent less than 3-6k
Hey man, do your thing. Money spent is very different person to person. If you like it and are happy. Hats off. Some may see this and choke and some may see it and love. What anyone else says isn’t any of your business
I've got an 07 GT deluxe I have owned for the last ten years. This is the second 197 GT I've owned, and it just feels faster than any other I've driven. It's like it was built special from the factory. It would break my heart to replace the engine... The soul of the car. I would rather spend that money to make more power with what I have. It's an emotional thing.
Nice! Got you beat on total price Ofcourse but it’s awesome you are showing off the 3v. My coyote swap was around 10k plus close to 3k for fuel lines etc. took about a month aswell. To get everything situated. Now I’m on full e-85 and I’m hoping to be pushing around 460. Keep up the build man. Wish I could see it.
I am always impressed with the quality of your videos and I am now aware that it currently at this point in life is not worth the investment to go full send N/A on the 3v
Everyone forgets that at the time up to 2010 when Chevrolet announced the Camaro coming out with 420hp, the 3 Valve was a very powerful engine FOR ITS TIME. Everyone is just used to Hellcat, Coyote, LS and LT horsepowers these days.
I assume you'll also be building a transmission for the car? Will you be making a video on what it takes to build a 1000hp trans? That would be super cool!!!
Did you think of upgrading to the 5.0 stroked modular motor that Ford offers M-6009-B53? If so what changed you're mind to stick with the 4.6 ? Great video and I'm thinking of rebuilding my own 4.6, very informative and nicely laid out video
Buy a upgraded harmonic balancer, I think it was Gale Banks or HP Academy that had a video explaining that the harmonics in ford motors wasnt properly negated by their cheap factory harmonic balancers and was a often overlooked cause to blowing up oil pump gears.
Wow, really great summary, to the point vid. Excellent content, and I don’t even have a mustang or a car to rebuild a motor, and not considering a crate motor. But if I do, I now have a new appreciation for crate motor pricing.
Dude your a beast ill be watching for now on, as i formulate my evil plan against all my uncle and cousin, my uncle has a 1985 Caballero 660+ horsepower my cousin just got a 2004 cadillac cts v moded has 550+ horsepower. I bought a 2004 mercury grand marquis ls as a project to keep up, but so far i have only gotten to the exhaust thank you for your informative videos your awsome!!!!
*See this Mustang race newer Mustangs, a Camaro, Corvette, and a Dodge Viper:* th-cam.com/video/fBphctralEk/w-d-xo.html
306 inches and 288 cfm@ .600 is never going to net 400whp. I calculated 469 on a 230 cam with 8:1 dcr and 7400 RPM. There are other ways to get higher NA power on 306 with known heads but they are impractical because all those ways are high rpm. I see you went straight rich with the Viper but this was a cool build. On the bright side if the motor is not near maximum effort somehow with some imbalanced choices, it should make 469 whp NA until the cows evolve into flying cows and fly home.
*addendum*
* my labor costs are very likely on the high side since the shop that rebuilt my motor specializes in LS (this was their first 3v)
* with respect to power, i think i (accidentally) lowered my compression ratio with the non-OEM ported heads (bigger chamber size)
* at 4,500 feet i don't think there's enough air pressure for the stock heads to act as a restriction, possibly no benefit from ported heads until boost
* the yOu sHoUld HavE CoYotE sWapPed iT folks are annoying, but they're not wrong
* i am going to get this thing to 400whp before boosting
Wow first of all nice job sticking with the three valve I also have a three valve pro charge mustang stock internals for 485 RWHP .My question to you is did you consider buying a complete motor first that was already done versus having a shop do it
You should be able to get over 400whp pretty easily from here. I know a guy putting down just over 430 with the ‘same’ build.
Man I’m not sure if e85 would be a viable option but I’m running e85 on my 3v and it gave it a kick and I’m already FBO just had to buy some 47Ib injectors and get 450 Walbro pump lol. Once I slap the hot rod cams I’ll for sure get my car on the dyno and see what it makes lol.
But I also forgot to say you should be able to turn up the RPM with the new cams that you plan on adding. I’m pretty sure the car should have a better top end as well since the motor is already stroked.
What lowering spring setup you got on? And can you give me rhe link please???
Don’t even mind waiting for you to upload bc I know you’ve got some of the highest quality content
Same
Seriously bro it’s crazy this channel is slept on
thanks brews 🙏
When this is putting 1000 down to the street, go race demonology for some much deserved promotion 😂
I check often, because I’m impatient !
16k for 370whp!? Sir you have a lot of patience to not be boiling lol, good video as always!
16k wasn't spent to make a N/A motor. These mods are designed to be used in conjunction with forced induction
@@blue3v067 true, bit man 16k to still be at 370whp has to hurt just a little bit
@@LukeWaters For sure lol Something like that is going to cost an arm and a leg but you can hit 1000hp without those mods
@@blue3v067 and at the end of the day it's gonna be reliable too
I was shocked about the horsepower number too. I’ve seen cars put down 20 horsepower more without the stroker kit and forged internals. Hopefully the right cams bring his numbers up cause I’d be devastated if my all motor build made FBO Cam numbers.
Love how you are dedicated to the build on this platform. Nice to see you not complain about lower hp numbers, but you are now set up for a reliable build with crazy numbers if you desire
A 1,000hp 3v is gonna hurt some feelings 😎
16,000k into a 3v and still cant make over 400whp ? wtf
Until it fucking explodes
@@slowboybk5098 I made a 500whp 440tq 3v for less than 10k. This guy is just buying stuff to document it so his build will be more expensive
agree, it will hurt some crowds but feelings nonetheless
@@slowboybk5098 legit just 5.0 swap and call it a day.
What a nice Saturday surprise! An interesting OEM option might be Ford Racing's M-6009-B53 shortblock that's 5.3L and is rated for 1000hp and sells for $6250. It's gotten more $$$$ over the years!
thanks for all your continued help amigo.. i think it's time you posted again.
@@Four_Eyes Thanks for the encouragement amigo.
Well now you know the secret. The 5.3L is rated for a 1000 to 1500 hp depending on the parts and how far you’re willing to go . Recommend you engine swap a v6 Mustang 2005 because there’s no fancy work needed for the swap
Always excited when Four Eyes pops up in my notifications, i was planning on rebuilding my 06 Gt's engine with your guide, but i made a crucial mistake, i bought an automatic :/
6r80swap is the way to go then
Anyone know how much the automatic trans stock will hold ? Just a general idea
I made the same mistake
CJ Pony Parts sells TCI torque converters that can make the transmission capable of handling high performance upgrades.
Me too man 😢
I've been following your build for several years now and just wanted to chime in to say that Kenne Bell's Tech Line Director, Mike DeCourcey has a 2005 4.6 3V daily driver with a built bottom end and their 3.2L Liquid Cooled Mammoth Supercharger kit making 816rwhp (960 flywheel hp). He mentions that his car has stock heads, stock cams, stock coil packs, stock cats, stock exhaust and tuned 60-70 lb injectors, dual 75 mm throttle body. Just wanted to mention this as an alternative to turbo charging. I believe the 3.2L LC Mammoth kit runs about $7K. Good Luck with your build and thanks for keeping everyone updated.
I've wondered about this for some time now.... thank you!
Already said but Foreyes puts out the highest quality straight to point videos around. Respect.
Love this build, like you, I think we were all hoping for better numbers but I appreciate you using the 3v platform. It's so easy to swap it with 5.0 or ls for the power for less money but building the 3v is awesome.
The production value of your channel does not get enough attention man. Absolutely PHENOMENAL
I appreciate seeing a built 3 valve. I've seen alot in regards to the factory block not being able to support alot horsepower though.
Stock block will take 800+hp
It’s the internals the block is fine.
Killer video, you hit every major point, quality is fantastic, and you very clearly explain everything you talk about. Love your videos, always looking forward to the next one
thank you for being so honest on what you spent.
Thank you for the detailed cost breakdown and honest feedback to help everyone make well informed decisions.
Holy sh*t 9k in labor- good thing I plan on doing it myself 💀 I’d be broke
Saaaame! I can't imagine paying people to work on my cars, the parts are expensive enough!
@@ec5838 the only thing I can’t do is porting, hot tanking, resurfacing, and stuff like that. But I mean like cams and stuff, lemme save myself a LOT of money
@@mikeepperson792 I hear ya man, fortunately I'm a machinist and have access to CNC machines, but while I can pretty much do anything I want, I still sub out some jobs cause its easier lol. The big stuff that takes a ton of time is usually pretty easy to do yourself and thats where the bulk of the labor costs come in. Couple weekends in the garage you save yourself $10k easy. Just a lot of grease, sweat, blood, and maybe some tears XD. Nothing beats that feeling of satisfaction tho too. :D
@@ec5838 tears? Nah, something doesn’t go right, throw a wrench xD (if you’ve seen the meme)
@@mikeepperson792 Hehe not usually but sometimes you know, when those two piece shitty spark plugs go *click* when you are trying to pull em... hahaha!
Your videos are like a high quality surprise every now and then. Keep up the awesome content bro! Can't wait to see that 4.6 on boost!
Very well done. No fluff, just straight to the point/facts. Thank you.
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Great video.... I'm an LS owner. You just gave me sticker shock. I took stock 1998 LS1 and for $11K added a Vortech V3si supercharger from A&A Corvette and a 3.42 geared rear end from RPM transmissions... Didn't even add headers. Ended up with 472 WHP/440 TQ through the A4 auto trans. You have stunned me that 370 WHP cost $16,000.... I can appreciate your dedication!
This is built for boost not to be na. So after turbos it will be 1000hp for 16000$.
@@All_SportGG - it’s good you’re getting the turbos and fabricating for free
No, please, save your money on cams and keep what you have. You're spending so much even MY bank account is hurting! The turbos should take care of the rest!
Great content, sir! I’m an LS guy myself. Having you breakdown parts cost, labor costs, and time to build in this video is worth its weight in gold. Thank you for sharing valuable content. Thanks 🙏🏽
I use to be a long man or chevy man like your self all my life till 2002 when I try to by a new camaro and they told me the gm stop making the camaro because the corvette sales were dropping that's when I hated gm with passion at the time I was 23 years old I had a decent job enough to pay for a brand new camaro but the corvette was like 1200 bucks a month plus 300 insurance so I think gm is just thinking about them selfs and not there customers the next year I bought a new 2003 cobra and I been a Ford man ever since and I really love it on every single way I like the way Ford brings new technology to engineering motors and I don't like the way gm still has the same push rod engine for stupid prices but that's my mentality if I was the owner of a multi billion dollar company I would care or try to at least to see what my customers want to buy not just because something is not selling stop making that product the everyone's want just to sale an expensive product and force to sale it
I'm doing the same thing except I have a v6 car with a saleen s281sc motor swapped into it and a fully forged bottom end. Gonna push the limits of the stock blower and then probably a kenny bell blower and e85 to get towards 800whp. Looking forward to seeing your build done! You might not upload ad often as other creators but the content is so much higher quality and information heavy that it's worth the wait!
awesome build and thank you kain
9k for labor charger! Thats why I'm going to college to be an Auto Tech, Ill do it my daaaaam self.
And you'll be 40k in debt from school. All this stuff can be learned in a garage.
@@Somber.Killer Who said you have to go to an expensive school. Obviously you can TH-cam it. But college gives you more opportunities than just instructions.
@@user-yk5xk5re3p That's true if your looking for a career. Stay away from the technical institutes like UTI. Go to community college if possible or just try to get on at a dealership. My friend started from lube tech to master tech at Chevy in about 5 or 6 years.
@@Somber.Killer that's what I did, went to community. I even picked up some welding skills as well. Some instructors used to work at UTI said its crap school. Then again learning is not about where you go it's on you if you really want to learn and how much.
@@user-yk5xk5re3p Truth. I am one of the suckers who went to UTI. Total bull$h1t
The point of return style fuel systems is to control pressure spikes and drops. The fuel pressure sensor is relative to your manifold pressure. If it reads 5psi of boost, the ecu will try to maintain 55 psi. When in actuality it is at 60 psi. This variability can cause pressure spikes because the pulse width that that fuel pump gets changed on the fly to control pressures.
Really interesting to see how much you spent. I’m planning on going stroker before boost and when I pieced the parts list together it was maybe 1/3 of your final cost. Looks like I’ll definitely be doing it myself to avoid the massive labor cost. Hope those high lift cams bring your numbers up. This is turning into one of the sickest 3V builds in my book.
Thank you for sharing the details. I'm building my 03 Mach 1 Mustang engine right now. 5k in parts and 2k in labor for machine work. These engines are deffinetly expensive to build.
Thanks for the breakdown. I hope to get my 2008 to this level in the future.
You’re the only dude on TH-cam building 1000 hp three valve or at least trying to love your content I have an 07 California special with a three Valve planning on putting a turbo on it soon i’ll bill the engine after I blow it up three valves or a dime a dozen get one from the junkyard for about 1000 maybe a little more maybe a little less i’ll let you know how long it last still have to upgrade the fuel system before I install it I have every bolt on that you can put on three valve Including camshaft wish me luck
As always I love your videos, looking forward to the next one, and I’m hanging in there for the long haul. I will see you turn this thing into a supercar!
Your content is always worth the wait man! Keep it up and can’t wait for the next upload!
He’s back! Made my day😁
This was a great video with great explaining. Not all of us are up-to-date on fast cars.
cant wait to see what the cams and supercharger do... Nice Job. I miss my mustang.
he’s doing a tt kit
@@jaredswarbrick1627 Aw man. I love the sound of a big ol blower. Oh well, I still want to see the end result
I like all of your videos that I have seen. In my opinion this one has to be the best. It's short with so much detail. All the pictures...perfection. Thank you! Im sure mustang fans will enjoy this one for many years to come.
thank you moya 🙏
I was able to stroke a mustang for free. The farmer called the cops on me though.
I love the passion to see this project through. Luckily for me my SHO doesn't cost much to get 400 wheel hp and high 400s torque...but I'm in the same boat if I want over 600hp wheel hp. Excellent video brother.
It may be less power than the Coyote but it also looks better.
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@@elijah9907 eye problems eh?
@@Jedi391 nope, just laughing at your joke.
I did this exact same rebuild for my 2007 mustang. This is a great video with good insight but do not waste the money unless you plan on installing forced induction also. Dont forget also that if you decide to do this for big HP you need a clutch, transmission, rear diff, axles, possibly a drive line. Luckily I did all my work myself so there was no labor costs except for the machine work, but I was into my build about $15k with EVERYTHING. I also recommend a return fuel system if you plan on the big HP numbers and especially if you want to run E85, E90, or E100, whatever your state has. I had twin 465 litre pumps and couldn't get over 700 whp with E85 because the fuel system could not support it. I did make 905whp on 110 race fuel. MMR is the place to go for modular motor parts.
Hey man, I've watched all your videos a few times and even used a snippet of your dyno run in one of my previous videos. Could you tell you me what transmission you ended up going with? I think I read you got a rebuilt 5-speed and it failed multiple times? Also what clutch did you go with and how do you like it? Thanks for watching man and it's badass you did all the work yourself 💪
@@Four_Eyes I used the stock Tremec 3650 but yes I had it fully built but it did fail on me 2 times before I took it out and went with a 5 speed TKO with face plated gears from liberty gears that claimed to withstand 1500 hp. Never had a problem with that one. I used the McLeod RXT twin disk clutch and that seemed to do fine, but I also sent it in and had them rebuild it every winter. With the big cam and clutch it became not as fun to drive in traffic because it would studder and shake at low speeds. I appreciate you watching and good luck with your videos, I enjoy watching them.
I have officially been flexed upon😳
Same
it's all love
I have brenspeed cams and am happy with them but I'm not going on out either like you.
@@CamMarz @Evan Daly it's a flex on all of us :\
2021 and still modding the 3v, luvin your vids. I recently bought a one owner 07 GT all original with only 943 miles on it and the new car smell. Looking forward to the next video.
wow that's a museum piece, well done
God, that's such a pretty car.
That gen GT (not the v6) has aged beautifully.
@@DanielDaniel1 I mean there are some pretty V6's, just most of them are so beaten to hell that there's no way they could ever look nice again. They also don't look stock. Mine is a pretty good example of a V6, check my instagram out @tbcarlingjr to see it
My man! Amazing content as always good sir. I'm working on my 06 Roush at this very moment, Brembo brake upgrade, and I'm very close to pulling the trigger on an engine to essentially recreate your build on a stand to put in later. Your breakdown, research and attention to detail are top notch, keep up the good work!
thanks andrew 🙏
Perks of staying up all night I guess
My 2004 Audi s4 with a tiny 4.2 v8 all stock with awd put down 370awhp. I got the car for $5500. I wish you the best in getting those numbers up.
I’m glad I don’t ever have to pay labor haha.
Gotta admire your commitment to the 3 valve. I always look forward to an update on your project! Good luck and Aloha!
Love the build and the content you put out brotha but this doesn't make any sense. You were making around 360hp with full bolts on. Since then you increased displacement, added stage 3 ported heads and with better fuel system and now your at 370hp. ??????.....
If you're sure this dyno is correct, and its properly tuned then I hope you call Livernois and tell em you want refund. they stated +75hp with stock cams.
This was just going to be my exact question...I'm confused too. I thought you'd be well over 400whp after the stroker install with everything else.
I'm a track guy, race, not drag. IDGAF about a 40 roll. I use these for tracking and Tail of the Dragon. I daily a coyote powered Mustang but in my experience, a 3v 4.6 Mustang with intake, tune and a Roush suspension kit with stabilizer bars and Wilwood/Brembo brake kit is more than enough to dive into hard corners and blast out of them and be competitive with other drivers. I have a few cars and I tend to spin if I attempt this with my Coyote. (My 1991 ZR-1 kills my 2013 Mustang GT on the track quite easily so far). If you know you know, otherwise you're just slamming the throttle from light to light. Thank you for showing us this incredible Mustang man. It's certainly got a lot of attention! I'd keep it!
Can you adopt me? I may be almost 30, but I'd make a pretty great son lol
There are a few guys with single turbo 3v motors in my city. They all make 700+whp. As long as that bottom end you built can hold and the tuner knows what he's doing, you should be able to make some good power.
I'll bet a stock, 20-year-old Viper could still beat this.
Just came from that vid lol
I'd watch a 10 minute video of just the rolling driving shots you use for the intros, they're amazing
Thank you so much for this video, I've always wondered how much it would cost to build a 3V, and I'm actually surprised, it's less than I thought!
Good morning, last year I had to rebuild my 2008 mustang GT 4.6. and not spend nearly as much. But in a nutshell I got 380 horsepower and 356 ftlb to the ground. This is my first time ever commenting on a TH-cam. I would love to send you a picture of my dino sheet to show you. Call me ignorant don't give a crap. But if you are interested I wouldn't mind discussing with you what I did and how I went about everything. When I was doing research rebuilding mine I watched your videos back then . I like your channel you helped me with my build maybe I can add some information for yours, or maybe not. Please do not take this as mine's better than yours or yours is better than mine it has nothing to do with that. Knowledge is power. Take care. Chris
If your compression ratio has ‘accidently’ dropped, you may be in a perfect position for boost...perhaps a centrifugal blower would give you what you’re after. I didn’t catch if you have upgraded the stock 5 speed.
That's uh, a decent chunk of change for 370bhp. I know it's NA but still. Granted it'll handle that power very reliably and it's ready for a lot of boost for the future which is probably better than what I had to do to my Audi BAM engine to make similar numbers. Nice to see someone mod one of these though rather than just Coyote swap it. That's the easy way out. Now you get a sub :)
4eyes is a pro. the way he does the stuff. master perfectionist. respect
thanks brother 🙏
Honestly I clicked the video because of this mustang build your the only one who does it and i like the body style to
You are the reason why I am building my 3v
What a wonderful, informative video with no BS etc. I just purchased a 98 Cobra, will do pretty much the same thing as you. Thank you, thank you.
For $18.5k you can get a Ford Performance 5.2L Aluminator XS Crate Engine, stuffed with all the goodies. Best of luck with your 3 valve going forward.
So the price for all the upgrades is a bit steep for performance per dollar but I appreciate a few things about this project. It’s a 3v, love the incremental upgrades and really focusing on efficiency, details regarding how the upgrades responded, and in the end this is your car. You are doing it your way. I’ve seen people spend more money and gotten less out of a project so appreciate the videos!
Straight to the point. That's a lost art on TH-cam.
I am down here in Phoenix Arizona. The dyno shop that did mine is called dynocomp in Scottsdale Arizona. The owner Richard when I was looking for a dyno shop interviewing multiple that is. One of the things that I liked the most about him was this. If you are looking to see a particular number on the dyno go someplace else. If you want maximum power out of your engine but reliable and trustworthy I'll do it. Because I guarantee you go to any other dyno shop after I've done my tune on your car they will get a higher number by leaning out and jacking with the timing to unsafe conditions.
The thing with your heads definitely can be a thing. A lot of people forget that engines are air pumps air in air out. When it comes to doing this kind of stuff that you and I are doing you got to figure up your volumetric efficiency in short how efficient is each cylinder pulling in air and utilizing it.
But I would really like to potentially talk to you on the phone about this stuff if you're interested. I don't know enough about this TH-cam communication because I know I don't want my contact information out for everybody and I'm sure you don't either but anyhow. If you don't want to because of too many weirdos out there. I get it. At the end of the day it's all good! And doing this kind of stuff is a lot of fun hell I just got done last weekend porting my throttle body. Which by the way collapsed my JLT air cleaner. Good luck
In the regards to porting the heads I did port my heads I did a lot of research into it talking to guys that do porting that are willing to talk about it which is far and few between.
You're definitely right about this video I did a full PI swap on my Mustang and it cost me a hell of a lot of money but you know the old saying if you want to play you gotta pay.
I get excited when your videos pop up i get to have all the fun while you spend all the money. Seriously though I always enjoyed the different builds and I know what will work and what wont om my beautiful 2008 with just 10 k miles. Thanks
Get that boost on there! Think we're all waiting for that! I'm digging this build as I want to do the same thing to a 3v they have much potential and when you put the cost of a new or used 5.0 you can pick up a 08' gt for 10k or less, put 10k into it with boost and be happy with it, or get a loan for 40k on a stock 5.0, but to each is there own I guess, I love the apr gt500 body kit that will work with a gt, minus a few parts and thats the look I like!
Seeing your videos/other 3v encouraged me to get a 4.6 3v and start my build this winter. 2007 GT deluxe,NA build. I won't port the heads or forge it though😅😅😂 Love your car and build. Been following for a few months so I get excited when you post new videos.
Such a tuff looking s197! I appreciate your no nonsense approach! Well almost no nonsense, lol, rebuild the 4.8, it's from the heart, love it!!
The reason the car is not making power is because of static compression ratio Getting more aggressive cams will make the power loss even worse because of because of overlap. Aggressive cams rely on overlap to make more power. When overlap is introduced in the combustion chamber It lowers compression that's why really aggressive cams should be paired with high compression pistons. Generally Turbo supercharge cams have high lift but try to keep the overlap to a minimum that's the difference between an NA Cam and a Turbo Cam. It's also the reason why a lot of supercharge engines when they go with more aggressive cams it lowers the boost because there's less back pressure in The combustion cycle.
Thank you for returning!
GREAT JOB. A lot of good info presented very well.
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Always appreciate your videos bro, very informative. I'm following closely to see how to build my 3V Bullitt.
The roller at the outro is amazing
So cheaper to Boost a 6 banger and get way more power. Cheaper to build an LS and get more power too.
That really is a labor of love, good for this guy. I can respect this, that's love for what you own and that's admirable no matter what platform.
Excellent video. Thank you for making this honest and informative content!
Awesome start to my Saturday seeing four eyes notification pop up👊😎👍
I could have sworn you got the car up and past 400rwhp in a previous video! $16.5k to have the car sitting where it is seems real intense, but hopefully it's at least at a point where it can start making the power with its forged internals. Can't wait to see what's to come!
people don’t understand where the power comes from which is the heads and cam in a NA which he hasn’t even touched. The bottom end is meant to withstand the power, the shot of nos, the forced air coming in. He probably could’ve put heads cam and stock bottom end and got up to 400+whpand spent less than 3-6k
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Hey man, do your thing. Money spent is very different person to person. If you like it and are happy. Hats off. Some may see this and choke and some may see it and love. What anyone else says isn’t any of your business
Because of this channel my new edge is getting a 3v swap because the project is actually more fun than a basic coyote swap
that's pretty awesome, you will get a lot of hate i reckon
@@Four_Eyes yeah they will hate that a built 3valve can put some lengths on coyotes
I thought this thing should easily make 400whp but those cams definitely may be limiting the flow awesome vid always love new content
I've got an 07 GT deluxe I have owned for the last ten years. This is the second 197 GT I've owned, and it just feels faster than any other I've driven. It's like it was built special from the factory. It would break my heart to replace the engine... The soul of the car. I would rather spend that money to make more power with what I have. It's an emotional thing.
Good shit man! Super high video quality, and for sure something different! Sick mustang! Earned my sub!
Nice! Got you beat on total price Ofcourse but it’s awesome you are showing off the 3v. My coyote swap was around 10k plus close to 3k for fuel lines etc. took about a month aswell. To get everything situated. Now I’m on full e-85 and I’m hoping to be pushing around 460. Keep up the build man. Wish I could see it.
I am always impressed with the quality of your videos and I am now aware that it currently at this point in life is not worth the investment to go full send N/A on the 3v
I spent a bunch of money on a Pontiac rotating assembly. I’m glad that I’m not the only one paying big money compared to a small block Chevy
Everyone forgets that at the time up to 2010 when Chevrolet announced the Camaro coming out with 420hp, the 3 Valve was a very powerful engine FOR ITS TIME. Everyone is just used to Hellcat, Coyote, LS and LT horsepowers these days.
I assume you'll also be building a transmission for the car? Will you be making a video on what it takes to build a 1000hp trans? That would be super cool!!!
Did you think of upgrading to the 5.0 stroked modular motor that Ford offers M-6009-B53? If so what changed you're mind to stick with the 4.6 ? Great video and I'm thinking of rebuilding my own 4.6, very informative and nicely laid out video
Buy a upgraded harmonic balancer, I think it was Gale Banks or HP Academy that had a video explaining that the harmonics in ford motors wasnt properly negated by their cheap factory harmonic balancers and was a often overlooked cause to blowing up oil pump gears.
God damn buddy, I love your build, been watching for a while but damn 70 hrs for labor is ridiculous, it doesn't even take half that long
Wow, really great summary, to the point vid. Excellent content, and I don’t even have a mustang or a car to rebuild a motor, and not considering a crate motor. But if I do, I now have a new appreciation for crate motor pricing.
Dude your a beast ill be watching for now on, as i formulate my evil plan against all my uncle and cousin, my uncle has a 1985 Caballero 660+ horsepower my cousin just got a 2004 cadillac cts v moded has 550+ horsepower. I bought a 2004 mercury grand marquis ls as a project to keep up, but so far i have only gotten to the exhaust thank you for your informative videos your awsome!!!!
I love your old cams can’t wait to see what you come up with next
I got rid of my 2008 Mustang. It was a crappy V6 and I was .ore than happy to see it go.
Subscribed. Very cool. I'm more into modding the old 5.0L push rods but seriously appreciate the new(ish) builds.