It's a great catch, the fact that in the Elder Council Chambers in Oblivion, there's just the chancellor is a big oversight. In Ebonheart, you do get to meet the Council, even if they don't offer any quests and it adds a lot to the immersion.
I always assumed the inner council to consist of: The Lord High Chancellor (Ocato) as its chair, The Imperial Legion Commander with sway over the military, The Grandmaster of The Blades/Commander of the Penitus Oculatus as the one in charge of Imperial Intelligence, The Imperial Battlemage as the head of magical affairs, The Leader of the East Empire Company due to their massive economic influence, Somebody else who is in charge of overall economic affairs (a steward of some kind), The Leader of the Imperial Cult in charge of religious matters, and three advisory positions reserved for the most well-connected members of the Empires Elite probably provincial kings like Symmachus
Personally, I'm very interested in your elder Scrolls novels! Will they be released or are they more of a hobby for you? In any case, I'd love to hear more about them
Send a DM to @Imperial_Zorkonov on instagram, @NotFarengar on Twitter or Zorkonov#7078 on discord and I can send them to you and explain which novel is which so you can decide if you want to read any of them and which
Would love to see a video about farming in tamriel. Morrowind and oblivion both have some really interesting machines. Skyrim has a few. ESO shows us a widespread variety of crops, agricultural decisions, and problems. Etc. The lady that cultivates nirnroot, or the people who grow ash yams. There's a lot to be had with something like this.
Your idea of a middle man like that actually happened a fair bit in our own history of Empires and general Monarchies. Usually happens when the Lords had near equal power and influence to the Kings/Queens. It was almost a natural thing to do. It wasn't always done but you can often find it. Though it is most often an unofficial role, that someone would naturally fill, and a fair bit more complex than what I mention in brief here
The Elder Council, despite being one of the most powerful and important organizations in Tamriel, has such relatively sparce information on it. Cool to see this video on it and the speculative design at the end is indeed quite interesting. With the way the power dynamics of the Elder Council are in the 4th era, it seems possible it might do a reverse Rome and go from being an Empire into a Republic. It will be intriguing to see what current open-ended theories will turn out to be true.
I would LOVE to see a video about the "laws of magic". Such as: Vanto's Third Law and Conservation of Perception that are mentioned in Oblivion by Ancotar at Fort Caractus. Keep up the good work! Love the videos!
When I first learnt of the Elder Council I pretty much regarded it as a medieval incarnation of the Roman senate. Like how it might've been organized had the Roman Empire as an organisational entity survived into the Middle Ages. It's an epic governmental body really, and the balance between it and the Emperor is a fine art as to achieve ideal governance. Although I'm all for the Emperor's ultimate authority of course as a loyal son of the Empire!
Hey Zork this was a really great video, you really brought a lot of passion and enthusiasm and I can tell it took a lot of work. You shouldn’t worry about keeping to an upload schedule, but take your time to make great videos like this one
Ay I'm happy my topic got a video !!! I've always been curious about this. Imagine if Oblivion had Morrowind's level of detail. We would have sooooo much lore about so many things
I played elder kings in ck2 the elder council is usually annoying since aristocrats will always vote against your interests as emperor. The empire takes into account the opinion of all councilors the disappearance of those who voted against the ruler is a coincidence.
Uriel the Sixth is pretty much an expy of John the Fourth, the first Russian king - at least as far as his relationship with the Council and its effect on his character is concerned.
Man, your content is good. Must admit I was looking at subbing between you and fudge muppet. They won purely because I'm from Australia and so are they 🤣 keep up the good work. Oh PS you and Drewmora should do a colab.
Why not sub both ? I personally prefer IK because he gets to the fuckinh point. Fudgemuppet especially Drew are so long winded.. they take ages till they get to the actual point of the Video, which is nice if I turn on the Video before bed so I can fall asleep, but pretty impractical when you just wanna learn shit.
Yes when the emperors were very young I could see the council trying to manipulate the situation but there was a lot of smart emperors Uriel septim the 7th he was a genius
they should probably rename the Elder council to the Imperial Senate or something if they're doing things like voting on policy and legislation. The Elder Council was a governing body of the time of Dragonborn emperors, which by their very nature are LITERALLY Divine Right Sovereigns. Since Dragonborn are no longer needed to be Emperor to keep Oblivion at bay, the nature of the Cyrodiilic Imperial State has changed drastically. now it's no longer LITERALLY the most important State on Nirn, it's one Nation among many. the Cyrodiilic Empires were only the way they were because their dynasties were LITERALLY deigned to rule by the Gods. Empires in the real world are all built upon a lie of some kind. but the Cyrodiilic Empires were able to bypass that by LITERAL DIVINE INTERVENTION. now that intervention is no longer available, the Empire will eventually, gradually, die, as all Empires inevitably do. in the meantime they will need to legitimize their rule beyond Divine Right. the Only answer I can think of for the 4th era Empire is as the only thing that can stand against the madness that is the Thalmor, but that would take some time to be seen as legitimate, and would require the Empire holding back against the Thalmor better in the next war. Titus Mede II would NOT be able to do such, as he is seen as the coward who bent to the Thalmor.
So I posted a thread on the eso forum about this topic no one seems to have an answer. So for post morrowind games we have the levitation act to explain away no levitation. Since eso is before arena clearly that act doesn’t apply. In eso you can not cast a full on levitate spell to traverse lands like morrowind or float up like Daggerfall to get through areas in a dungeon etc People said “but it is in eso npcs levitate” but all they do is hover above like vivec and there is an emote or momento that makes you hover like that form the psijic order skill line. That is not proper levitation spells. I’m just wondering if there is any way to explain this away ? There are many aspects of elder scrolls online that just doesn’t give legit reasons for developer limitations as there are in the main series and it breaks immersion.
I would say perhaps levitation magic hadn't been studied enough to be as advanced in 2E 582 (ESO) as it is in 3E 427 (Morrowind), over 700 years later. The timeline of ESO is very close to early (1st era) history when magic was evolving so much. I would say magic is always evolving, or devolving, in the Elder Scrolls universe. However, I don't have a degree in Aetherial Properties and Concepts of Magic. So I tend to suspend my disbelief and use my imagination so I can actually have fun enjoying the parts of the game that I like. That goes for every game I play.
@@toytacambery9427 yes I get that and most people assume it wasn’t refined or perfected and was in its infancy… however I wonder why the developers didn’t actually make a lore reason for this in writing.. as they did to explain it away in the later games after morrowind.
@@TheVioletBunny you just said it yourself. There wouldn't be much written about it if it's not been advanced past it's basic uses. You have to remember that Tamriel is much larger in the lore than it is in game. Our player characters can interact with what the devs put into the game, but there could be writings about it (in lore), that we don't have access to in game.
@@toytacambery9427 I mean they could literally have a book from a mage in game that explains their story how magic is being developed etc etc it’s in its beginning staged just something to remind the player head canon is neat and all but that’s not actually canon to make the world more realistic the more the devs add to the world building the greater the world becomes.
@@TheVioletBunny I'm not stating head canon. They have said themselves that the game worlds are scaled down from the lore. So, you aren't going to be able to interact with every character, location, or book if the world is scaled down. Things are going to be left out. There are some places and things the player character never gets to explore or interact with simply because they dont appear in the game. You're just going to have to accept that.
If you want to read them, Send a DM to @Imperial_Zorkonov on instagram, @NotFarengar on Twitter or Zorkonov#7078 on discord and I can send them to you if you want to read them and explain which novel is which so you can decide if you want to read any of them and which
It's a great catch, the fact that in the Elder Council Chambers in Oblivion, there's just the chancellor is a big oversight. In Ebonheart, you do get to meet the Council, even if they don't offer any quests and it adds a lot to the immersion.
The Council you meet in Ebonheart is the Grand Council of Morrowind though, not the Elder Council.
I always assumed the inner council to consist of: The Lord High Chancellor (Ocato) as its chair, The Imperial Legion Commander with sway over the military, The Grandmaster of The Blades/Commander of the Penitus Oculatus as the one in charge of Imperial Intelligence, The Imperial Battlemage as the head of magical affairs, The Leader of the East Empire Company due to their massive economic influence, Somebody else who is in charge of overall economic affairs (a steward of some kind), The Leader of the Imperial Cult in charge of religious matters, and three advisory positions reserved for the most well-connected members of the Empires Elite probably provincial kings like Symmachus
Personally, I'm very interested in your elder Scrolls novels! Will they be released or are they more of a hobby for you? In any case, I'd love to hear more about them
Send a DM to @Imperial_Zorkonov on instagram, @NotFarengar on Twitter or Zorkonov#7078 on discord and I can send them to you and explain which novel is which so you can decide if you want to read any of them and which
Would love to see a video about farming in tamriel. Morrowind and oblivion both have some really interesting machines. Skyrim has a few. ESO shows us a widespread variety of crops, agricultural decisions, and problems. Etc. The lady that cultivates nirnroot, or the people who grow ash yams. There's a lot to be had with something like this.
Your idea of a middle man like that actually happened a fair bit in our own history of Empires and general Monarchies. Usually happens when the Lords had near equal power and influence to the Kings/Queens. It was almost a natural thing to do. It wasn't always done but you can often find it. Though it is most often an unofficial role, that someone would naturally fill, and a fair bit more complex than what I mention in brief here
Perfect, needed a video about the Council. Thank you!
My pleasure!
Yesssssss
The Elder Council, despite being one of the most powerful and important organizations in Tamriel, has such relatively sparce information on it. Cool to see this video on it and the speculative design at the end is indeed quite interesting.
With the way the power dynamics of the Elder Council are in the 4th era, it seems possible it might do a reverse Rome and go from being an Empire into a Republic. It will be intriguing to see what current open-ended theories will turn out to be true.
I would LOVE to see a video about the "laws of magic". Such as: Vanto's Third Law and Conservation of Perception that are mentioned in Oblivion by Ancotar at Fort Caractus.
Keep up the good work! Love the videos!
You had me at, *"needlessly complicated"*
Lol
When I first learnt of the Elder Council I pretty much regarded it as a medieval incarnation of the Roman senate. Like how it might've been organized had the Roman Empire as an organisational entity survived into the Middle Ages. It's an epic governmental body really, and the balance between it and the Emperor is a fine art as to achieve ideal governance. Although I'm all for the Emperor's ultimate authority of course as a loyal son of the Empire!
fuck the empire. they're better than the aldmeri dominion but fuck the empire
@@macizogalaico LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE!
i mean, Tambriel has the mark and recall spells, they can simply make the court wizard recall them to the imperial city for council meetings.
How do they get home?
Hey Zork this was a really great video, you really brought a lot of passion and enthusiasm and I can tell it took a lot of work. You shouldn’t worry about keeping to an upload schedule, but take your time to make great videos like this one
Thank you :)
"I am the Elder Council."
Not… Yet…
@@ImperialKnowledge It's treason then.
Yeeeessss, this is the kinda content I wanna see. Would love to see the other political structures in Tamriel explored!
Great video once again bro . Much love
I can see why in the aftermath of the war with the Aldmeri Dominion some of the more traditional Nords would see The Empire as weak.
Ay I'm happy my topic got a video !!! I've always been curious about this. Imagine if Oblivion had Morrowind's level of detail. We would have sooooo much lore about so many things
Play elder kings 2 it’s a mod for crusader kings 3 it takes place in the second era.
I played elder kings in ck2 the elder council is usually annoying since aristocrats will always vote against your interests as emperor.
The empire takes into account the opinion of all councilors the disappearance of those who voted against the ruler is a coincidence.
Uriel the Sixth is pretty much an expy of John the Fourth, the first Russian king - at least as far as his relationship with the Council and its effect on his character is concerned.
I've never really thought about the council before
subscribed always been a fan of elder scrolls lore 👍
Shame in oblivion they never added the Ruby Throne. And Make it lot more alive then 1 guy whos just sits there.
We want a book! We want an Imperial Knowledge book!
When will you stream oblivion again?
Man, your content is good. Must admit I was looking at subbing between you and fudge muppet. They won purely because I'm from Australia and so are they 🤣 keep up the good work. Oh PS you and Drewmora should do a colab.
Why not sub both ?
I personally prefer IK because he gets to the fuckinh point. Fudgemuppet especially Drew are so long winded.. they take ages till they get to the actual point of the Video, which is nice if I turn on the Video before bed so I can fall asleep, but pretty impractical when you just wanna learn shit.
@@TheWill383I agree so much with this statement.
Holy shit what a video. Links to your novels?
You can dm him in one of his social media accounts and he can send them to you
They have enough power. They had two emperors assassinated after all
I think the last Dragonborn may be the first of a new line of rulers. And she's a redguard. lol
Yes when the emperors were very young I could see the council trying to manipulate the situation but there was a lot of smart emperors Uriel septim the 7th he was a genius
This makes me think that the Medes are better rulers than the septims
Great info!
they should probably rename the Elder council to the Imperial Senate or something if they're doing things like voting on policy and legislation. The Elder Council was a governing body of the time of Dragonborn emperors, which by their very nature are LITERALLY Divine Right Sovereigns. Since Dragonborn are no longer needed to be Emperor to keep Oblivion at bay, the nature of the Cyrodiilic Imperial State has changed drastically. now it's no longer LITERALLY the most important State on Nirn, it's one Nation among many. the Cyrodiilic Empires were only the way they were because their dynasties were LITERALLY deigned to rule by the Gods. Empires in the real world are all built upon a lie of some kind. but the Cyrodiilic Empires were able to bypass that by LITERAL DIVINE INTERVENTION. now that intervention is no longer available, the Empire will eventually, gradually, die, as all Empires inevitably do. in the meantime they will need to legitimize their rule beyond Divine Right. the Only answer I can think of for the 4th era Empire is as the only thing that can stand against the madness that is the Thalmor, but that would take some time to be seen as legitimate, and would require the Empire holding back against the Thalmor better in the next war. Titus Mede II would NOT be able to do such, as he is seen as the coward who bent to the Thalmor.
Where can we read these novels?
Links to them are in the descri
So I posted a thread on the eso forum about this topic no one seems to have an answer.
So for post morrowind games we have the levitation act to explain away no levitation.
Since eso is before arena clearly that act doesn’t apply.
In eso you can not cast a full on levitate spell to traverse lands like morrowind or float up like Daggerfall to get through areas in a dungeon etc
People said “but it is in eso npcs levitate” but all they do is hover above like vivec and there is an emote or momento that makes you hover like that form the psijic order skill line. That is not proper levitation spells.
I’m just wondering if there is any way to explain this away ? There are many aspects of elder scrolls online that just doesn’t give legit reasons for developer limitations as there are in the main series and it breaks immersion.
I would say perhaps levitation magic hadn't been studied enough to be as advanced in 2E 582 (ESO) as it is in 3E 427 (Morrowind), over 700 years later. The timeline of ESO is very close to early (1st era) history when magic was evolving so much. I would say magic is always evolving, or devolving, in the Elder Scrolls universe.
However, I don't have a degree in Aetherial Properties and Concepts of Magic. So I tend to suspend my disbelief and use my imagination so I can actually have fun enjoying the parts of the game that I like. That goes for every game I play.
@@toytacambery9427 yes I get that and most people assume it wasn’t refined or perfected and was in its infancy… however I wonder why the developers didn’t actually make a lore reason for this in writing.. as they did to explain it away in the later games after morrowind.
@@TheVioletBunny you just said it yourself. There wouldn't be much written about it if it's not been advanced past it's basic uses. You have to remember that Tamriel is much larger in the lore than it is in game. Our player characters can interact with what the devs put into the game, but there could be writings about it (in lore), that we don't have access to in game.
@@toytacambery9427 I mean they could literally have a book from a mage in game that explains their story how magic is being developed etc etc it’s in its beginning staged just something to remind the player head canon is neat and all but that’s not actually canon to make the world more realistic the more the devs add to the world building the greater the world becomes.
@@TheVioletBunny I'm not stating head canon. They have said themselves that the game worlds are scaled down from the lore. So, you aren't going to be able to interact with every character, location, or book if the world is scaled down. Things are going to be left out.
There are some places and things the player character never gets to explore or interact with simply because they dont appear in the game. You're just going to have to accept that.
Love this channel, first comment!
Hey, it's "with impunity", not "without"
Did I hear you say NOVEL? 😮
If you want to read them, Send a DM to @Imperial_Zorkonov on instagram, @NotFarengar on Twitter or Zorkonov#7078 on discord and I can send them to you if you want to read them and explain which novel is which so you can decide if you want to read any of them and which
@@ImperialKnowledge Very exciting! Will do
Ahhh yes fantasy world political systems