Ignatius of Antioch - The Complete Story | Documentary
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- Who was Ignatius? What was Antioch? In this video, we'll fully explore the history of the city of Antioch, alongside its bishop Ignatius and his seven letters:
- The Letter to the Ephesians
- The Letter to the Magnesians.
- The Letter to the Trailians.
- The Letter to the Philadelphians.
- The Letter to the Smyrnaeans.
- The Letter to Polycarp.
- The Letter to the Romans.
Excerpt:
Toward the end of the first century AD, Ignatius became the third overseer, or “bishop,” of the churches in Antioch at the northeast corner of the Mediterranean Sea . His bishopric also included the churches in the region of Syria. There was no central church building in Antioch or Syria. The church was made up of a series of house churches around town and throughout the countryside.
According to Ignatius, the most important thing for the churches to do to maintain unity was to treat their own leaders with honor. The bishop of each city’s churches should be honored and obeyed like God Himself, the elders should be honored and obeyed like the apostles, and the deacons should be treated with honor too. Although it was important for every Christian to honor one another,honoring and obeying church leaders was important to the unity of the church.
00:00 Introduction
01:03 Religious Conversation
02:43 4th Century AD
03:37 3rd of Antioch
03:59 Ignatius of Antioch
06:05 How did Ignatius die?
07:56 The Epistles and Letter of Ignatius
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Regarding doubts about the Eucharist, pray to the Holy Spirit to open your heart and mind to Christ’s words in chapter 6 of John’s gospel. He mostly clears the room with his shocking words. And notice the Lord doubles down!! This corresponds well with the opening of this gospel “and the Word became flesh”. It also corresponds with the place of Christ’s birth in Bethlehem (house of bread) and the fact that Mary laid the Christ child in a manger (feeding trough).
Absolutely beautiful!!!!
Except that John chapter six occurs before the last supper. Nowhere in chapter six is the Eucharist mentioned. You would have to start with an assumption about the Eucharist and read that assumption back into those verses. In fact if you read through the Gospel of John from beginning to end in one sitting one of the themes that is apparent is the frequency with which Jesus audience takes his illustrations TOO literally. Misunderstanding the spiritual content behind his physical allegories:
- “living water” with woman at the well
- being born again with Nicodemus
Believing that there is some physical ritual you must perform, some magic spell, essentially, that you must participate in that has spiritual impact is no different than the pagan beliefs humanity has had for its entire existence. The message of the Gospel is the once for all sufficient sacrifice of the Son of God on our behalf.
Solus Christus
Soli Deo Gloria
Beautifully said. The church was born on pentecost and then the bible years later
@justinrehm268 alternatively you could not just read the whole of John but the whole of the OT and John and realise Jesus is the new Mana from heaven. Then read all the early church fathers who learned from the Apostles and see how they ALL believed in the Real Presence as well as Baptismal Regeneration and to be within Christs Church you need to be under the Bishop who succeeded the apostles.
I feel terrible for Protestants, living such a swallow faith whilst Orthodox and Catholics enjoy the fullness of the faith even in schism.
@@justinrehm268 St. Ignatius Of Antioch A.D. 110
They [the Gnostics] abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again.
(Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Chapter 7)
@@t.d6379ironic how a follower of the antiChrist pagan ‘religion’ ‘feels terrible’ for Protestant Bible reading Followers of Christ…..you know, the very same people your antiChrist pagan religion tortured and murdered by the millions over the centuries. Shocker….
Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.
Chapter 8 in his letter to the Smyrnians
You stole my thunder. lol
Same here... ohh well, I will post it anyway but Ill put it in greek: Ὅπου ἂν φανῇ ὁ ἐπίσκοπος, ἐκεῖ τὸ πλῆθος ἤτω, ὥσπερ ὅπου ἂν ῇ Ἰησοῦς Χριστός, ἐκεῖ ἡ Καθολικὴ Ἐκκλησία.
I think you meant that the Greeks established the city in the 4th century BC.
(Yikes! Makes you wonder what else might be off?)
Another inaccuracy is that he used the flag of the HRE to represent the Romans. When I saw it, I started laughing (the HRE was a Germanic empire pretending to be Roman)
I was just searching the comments to see who picked up that he meant 4th C BC instead of AD. While these videos are very well presented, the author/director needs to proof read the script a little bit better than that. Otherwise, excellent videos
@@travist7777 It's an AI video. It's likely generally correct but the details will always be off.
@@anthonyh4125 It's just an AI video. It'll have a lot of good information but also a myriad of details that aren't correct. A real person isn't reading the script, a real person probably didn't write the script, and a real person probably didn't put together the pictures for the video. You could say that it's almost entirely an AI generated video.
I was reading his writings when discerning becoming Catholic. When he implored the faithful to be faithful and obedient to the bishops, it convicted me. As a protestant at the time, I asked myself "what are you protesting against? Aren't you being disobedient to the original bishops, that which he warned against?" That sealed the deal for me to explore and learn more about the original, Catholic church. The term "Catholic" - Universal - that he had coined.
Read about Martin Luther and the apostasy of the Catholic Church of that time. When man acquires too much power, it becomes corrupted. Martin Luther was disturbed by the overt corruption he saw and wrestled with it constantly. He bravely “protested” to the risk of his very life. Hence, the second break from the original church. The Romans broke away from the rest of the original church for political purposes/favors in 1054 and this is why the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholics have such differences now. My husband and I joined Orthodoxy but I am ever watchful for any corruption from the church hierarchy, of which I am sure there is some. I am a “Protestant” at heart because I do not like the idea of a deep hierarchy that can become easily corrupted with just one wrong person but I do love the liturgy and the deep meaning of everything.
The " original" church was not THE Catholic church, but Orthodox.
Bishop of Rome, Stephen, known to adopt an anti'trinitarian ideas.
The church in Rome became a source of antagonism toward the other bishops with a growing list of heresies and a list for the power of being the lead bishop of the church. But the agreement had always been that all the bishops were equal. This is what layed the foundations of the Great Schism and the excommunication of the church in Rome.
In the end, all Christians are to test their beliefs and life against the mirror of the scriptures, not a creed, a Papal Bull, the television evangelist, the Reformers writings.
Simple read the Bible, believe The Gospel and obey his Word.
@@eugenehosack5294.....they were not 'O' Orthodox. They were simply Christians, followers of Jesus of Nazareth.
@@1969cmp I suggest you read and understand the meaning of the word "orthodox".
Thank you.
Great video!
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Amazing documentary thank you !
Not really, it's filled with inaccuracies. Shows wrong flags, has city locations on maps in wrong areas, etc.. pretty embarrassing
Thank you God. Be from Ireland.
Amen.
Thanks much for this video.
Thanks again.
"ex-engineer" and you do not notice the content is completely AI generated?
Excellent! Ty!
0:20 - The Greeks conquered the area in the4th century BC not AD.
I think you must be right.
I wonder which macedonian did that?
I like this series. Informative, well-produced and easy to follow. Viva Cristo Rey! Ave Maria!
@Christian - Of course - it is simply a bit of propaganda to drip into the brains of the thoughtless faithful...
It is in fact completely bankrupt
Que Viva!
CONTEX SOUND IN REAL TRUTH BEKOSE REMAIND ME ON LETTER TO TIMOTEY ,FROM APOSTOL PAU L(GLORY TO GOD
CHURCH MUST GO IN ONE SPIRIT, HOLY=HOPPE=THANKFULEST...
And testemony JESUS IS LIVE!!!!
Blesyou all.....
In the first century, there seems to have been multiple bishops per congregation of believers and not only one (or one per many churches). Paul's epistle to Titus instructed him to ordain "elders in every city" (i.e. multiple elders (bishops) per city).
No. Elders are priests.
@@evangelion1962 What is the Greek word for "priest"? How many of those are in a congregation of believers? Answer that question and learn.
5:47; Location of Smyrna and Ephesus are on the wrong western coast, locations should be on the western coast of Anatolia
This is a good video. But there is a mistake early on. It says the Greeks established Antioch in the 4th century AD. It was 4th century BC.
May his blesses be with us
Powerful Saint and Church history🙏
Very well produced🙏
Aside from the typos
It is AI generated and you folks don't even notice?
Greeks conquered in 4th century BC not AD as said at start of video. Otherwise, very useful video, thank you.
Sometimes the AI creators get it wrong. Too bad most of the goats never notice.
Your videos are very good and informatve. but in the St. Polycarp and St. Ignatius videos’ maps are wrong.. İzmir(Smyrna),Magnesia(Manisa), Tralles, Philadelphia. Today all of them today in Turkiye. But your maps shows them in Greece. I hope you can fix this mistakes.Thanks and Greetings from Izmir Turkiye.
4th century AD?
Thank you for this series of videos. You do a great job summarizing the lives of these early, important Christians. Following the example of Christ, martyrdom, at this time, was seen as a positive thing.
Saint Ignatious is one of the early fathers of christianity. His mentor was the apostle Saint John. Saint ignatious was the one who named the church Catholic in reference of Christ's Church. So to our protestant brothers now you know what Catholic means. Peace!
Catholic also means Universal. The Catholic Church is the One True Universal Church. The one beautiful thing about the Catholic Church is the Real Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Christ in the Eucharist at Mass and I can go to Mass almost anywhere and pretty much know what is going on and what the readings are in almost any language.
He may have said Catholic in the universal sense, but it was the first Church called " Christian "not Catholic as the "Catholic church" implies.
@@nobodyspecial9262 The Orthodox Churches have this as their description. Have a look at Orthodox wiki!
They were the original churches and Rome was only one of them. Alexandria Jerusalem Antioch and later Constantinople. They are still around and flourishing throughout the world. The history of EARLY Western Christendom is worth investigating. It's not what we have been led to believe by academic histotians.
@@eugenehosack5294catholic church is Christ's church.
Apostles Creed 33 A D on day of Pentecost St.Matthews line :" One, Holy, Catholic & Apostolic Church "!!!
St.Mathhew inspired by God the Holy Ghost called the church Catholic.
@@Thomas-lg6jx Greek, meaning universal, not The "Catholic church" as defined by Rome.
I like what I’m hearing
I believe that should be 4th century BC
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10:55 unless that anvil is floating in mercury. saw that vid the other day
You forgot to mention St. Ignatius' statement to hold special reverence for the "President" of the church in Rome...
Ignatius the Great
where is Smyrna?
Smegma. It's the Bishop of Smegma
who did reAlly called christians ,is it a believers or haters? please give me brief background thanks?
CHRISTIAN
The Greek word Χριστιανός (Christianos), meaning "follower of Christ", comes from Χριστός (Christos), meaning "anointed one",
at 10:59 you spelled Anvil incorrectly as envil.
St Ignatius was the third patriarch of Church of Antioch after St Peter and St Jacob, which is known as Syrian Orthodox Church today. The patriarchs of Syrian Orthodox Church uses his name Ignatius as a mark of respect to St Ignatius!!!!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
The Antioch church was never an independent church. They were part of the whole church led at Rome.
Antioch was the center of Christian development & learning in the earliest decades (perhaps a couple centuries) of the Church - before the emergence of Constantinople or Rome as more important centers.
Perhaps unsurprisingly, there are multiple religious sects that claim the title of Patriarch (or Bishop or Pope) of Antioch. Some of those sects align themselves with the Catholic Church (while still retaining their sect’s authority to appoint their own bishops & elect their own Patriarch). Others are aligned to the Orthodox churches that broke of from Rome in 1054. (Great Schism).
There are also ones aligned with what was commonly called the Oriental Orthodox churches (Egyptian Coptic, Armenian Apostolics are also in this group). Their doctrinal separation from Rome preceded the later Great Schism by roughly 500 years. These remarkably managed to survive the Islamization that swept through the region, and they did so while much of the world could provide no support or assistance to help them survive.
I went to grad school for this stuff and these are great videos.
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what school?
At 0:20 - Narrator states that Greeks conquered the area of Antioch in 4th Century AD - I believe you mean 4th century BC, presumably as part of Alexander's (yes, the one we all know) empire thing
0:15 do you mean BC instead of AD?
Yes, that must be some mistake. Christ's peace!
Thanks for catching it.
Thanks for correcting it Fr. John
Thank You brother.. for Great information
🙏🙏🙏🙌
4th century BC, not AD
We need the men like Ignatius or Polycarp
Seems he’s wrongly placing Smyrna and Ephesus on the wrong peninsula right before Rome across the Ionian Sea? When the map in my Bible places Smyrna and Ephesus on the land of Asia before the Aegean Sea east of where he places it in this video
Within first 2-3 minutes of this, the audio narrative says that Antioch was created by Greeks in “third century AD.” This is obviously incorrect. It was 3rd century BC.
I will forgo question of the accuracy of the claim that there was no city or village there before this one developed/built by the Greeks.
Yes, why wasn't the important point made that his writings included the Greek word 'catholic' ...meaning universal...world- spread...to describe the growing church, and this ultimately led to the name given to the churches, One unified Church
Ignatius the worthy
Every few months can someone reply to this comment so I can nerd out about church history again? Thank you!:)
Wake up, bro. Time to nerd out about catholic history.
@@Doppelier thank you bro! I get to nerd out about ignatius again lol
@@_rob_. just in time🫡I’ve been considering reading his works and you love given me the sign to start🫡
Hello hello hello
Hey
Nice video. However, you have soo many typos that detract from the professionalism. 4:25 "Matthew", 5:09 "Christian", 9:26 "Divinity"...
Mientras miraba este video cuidadosamente, noté que Ignatious nunca enseñó sobre el Papa. Habló de los obispos, que eran muchos y no solo uno, por lo que no hubo Papa durante su tiempo. ¿Por qué los católicos dicen que Pedro fue el primer Papa? Durante el tiempo ignatorio, el término Papa nunca cruzó la mente de la gente. ¿Ignatious era realmente católico? Aparentemente, él llama a la iglesia católica que significa universal, pero no de la misma manera que vemos el culto católico.
HE was called the bishop of Rome at that time
Why was he killed and by whom? He was killed by Roman soldiers for preaching to Christians the Word of God. (Killed for preaching to FOLLOWERS of Christ---)---
when did Catholicism start in rome?
Catholicism came to Rome with the evangelization efforts of the Apostles Peter and Paul in the mid-first century (approx. 40AD-60AD). Peter went there on his own; while Paul was brought there as a prisoner of the Roman Government.
First CC built in Jerusalam in 326AD!!!
-----According to church tradition, Peter and Paul taught together in Rome and founded Christianity in that city. Eusebius cites Dionysius, Bishop of Corinth as saying, "They taught together in like manner in Italy, and suffered martyrdom at the same time." This may indicate their reconciliation. In 2 Peter 3:16, Paul's letters are referred to as "scripture", which indicates the respect the writer had for Paul's apostolic authority. However, most modern scholars regard the Second Epistle of Peter as written in Peter's name by another author.
CHURCH TRADITION!!!!!
----Who was Peter sent to preach to?
the Gentiles
Introduction. God revealed to Peter in a vision that the gospel should be preached to the Gentiles. Peter taught the gospel to Cornelius and his household and later settled contention among Jewish Saints about the gospel being preached to the Gentiles.
Acts 10:1-17--Peter is told by God to preach to the Gentiles. He declines saying the Gentiles are unclean.
Read Acts 11:5-18 Peter has a vision by God explaining the command to preach to the Gentiles. God says to Peter, who are you to tell me who is clean/unclean? What I have declared to be clean--is now clean.
Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life. 18 When they heard these things they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, "Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life."
--Paul to the Jews------Peter to the Gentiles. Where did Paul preach to the Gentiles?
That is after his conversion around the areas of Antioch and Tarsus, his hometown. Now when Paul describes his return to Antioch it's clear that's he working in this mixed Jewish and non-Jewish or gentile population of a major cosmopolitan center.
Act 15:7, 14 At the meeting, after a long discussion, Peter stood and addressed them as follows: "Brothers, you all know that God chose me from among you some time ago to preach to the Gentiles so that they could hear the Good News and believe. ... (14) Peter has told you about the time God first visited the Gentiles to take from them a people for himself.
---Matthew 16:19 NIV
19 "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[e] loosed in heaven."
Peter alone was given the keys of the kingdom. He used these "keys" entrusted to him to open up ,for Jews Acts 2:22-41, for Samaritans Acts 8: 14-17, for the Gentiles -Cornelius. Acts 10: 1-10 , 10:34-38 , the opportunity to receive God’s spirit with a view to their entering the heavenly Kingdom.
@@39knights -According to CHURCH TRADITION, Peter and Paul taught together in Rome and founded Christianity in that city. Eusebius cites Dionysius, Bishop of Corinth as saying, "They taught together in like manner in Italy, and suffered martyrdom at the same time." This may indicate their reconciliation. In 2 Peter 3:16, Paul's letters are referred to as "scripture", which indicates the respect the writer had for Paul's apostolic authority. However, most modern scholars regard the Second Epistle of Peter as written in Peter's name by another author.
FACTS: Who was Peter sent to preach to?
the Gentiles
Introduction. God revealed to Peter in a vision that the gospel should be preached to the Gentiles. Peter taught the gospel to Cornelius and his household and later settled contention among Jewish Saints about the gospel being preached to the Gentiles.
Acts 10:1-17--Peter is told by God to preach to the Gentiles. He declines saying the Gentiles are unclean.
Read Acts 11:5-18 Peter has a vision by God explaining the command to preach to the Gentiles. God says to Peter, who are you to tell me who is clean/unclean? What I have declared to be clean--is now clean.
Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life. 18 When they heard these things they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, "Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life."
--Paul to the Jews------Peter to the Gentiles. Where did Paul preach to the Gentiles?
That is after his conversion around the areas of Antioch and Tarsus, his hometown. Now when Paul describes his return to Antioch it's clear that's he working in this mixed Jewish and non-Jewish or gentile population of a major cosmopolitan center.
Act 15:7, 14 At the meeting, after a long discussion, Peter stood and addressed them as follows: "Brothers, you all know that God chose me from among you some time ago to preach to the Gentiles so that they could hear the Good News and believe. ... (14) Peter has told you about the time God first visited the Gentiles to take from them a people for himself.
Matthew 16:19 NIV
19 "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be[e] loosed in heaven."
Peter alone was given the keys of the kingdom. He used these "keys" entrusted to him to open up ,for Jews Acts 2:22-41, for Samaritans Acts 8: 14-17, for the Gentiles -Cornelius. Acts 10: 1-10 , 10:34-38 , the opportunity to receive God’s spirit with a view to their entering the heavenly Kingdom.
Didnt you understand what your'e watching? that man Ignatius and all other martyrs at that time are the foundations of catholicism they simply put clear emphasis to the church us One, United, or Universal Church as too many heretics about the faith of Jesus at that time where emerging. Now you may ask why the name Catholic Church instead of just Universal Church? well guess what nobody spoke english at that time specially at that place the language spoken in that era were greeks and latin. So the word catholic is actually an english word that's derived from the latin word "catholicus" but that word itself is just an adaptation from the original greek word "katholikos" which means Universal, United, Oneness or Whole.
The Greeks didn’t conquer the area in the 4th century AD, but BC.
Please check the spelling in this video.. Doctrine, not Doctorine.
Don’t you mean 4th century ‘BC’ not ‘AD’?
Wow
I know that I would not be able to do what Ignatius did
✝️coptic orthodox answers on youtube has amazing theological content too✝️
4th Century AD??? Please check. I think its 4th Century BC
Thanks for trying to educate! Please be careful about the facts though, especially timelines and geographic locations. Smyrna and all the other Greek cities of Asia Minor are shown on mistaken spots on the video maps. At the time it was all Roman Empire, but the locations are now in modern Turkey, not in Greece as you show on the video. I suppose you mistook the coastlines.
There was no unified early church but a plethora of different views also on the nature of Jesus. Even after the council of Chelcedon there was no unanimously accepted view. In the first century there was a process of deification of Jesus that is reflected in the four gospels. The church of Jerusalem, the dominant church till 70 e.g. was a jewish community still believing in the Thora and going to the temple. Pauls constant struggles with those christian jews is reflected in his denunciations of circumcised missionaries. The Ebionites and Nazereens on the one side and gnostic groups on the other side were often assembled in the same communities. There was political pressure in the course of the legalisation and the making Christianity a state religion to adopt unanimous doctrines which led to the first councils which resulted in a frozen splitting.
It was unified from the beginning. You can tell by Acts 15 Council uniting all churches.
The Leader was Peter
@@koppite9600 No, the so called council in Acts deals with the problem that had arisen in Antioch on the following the law including circumcision and has seemed to be settled. But Paul founded a lot of “churches” not directly connected to the community of Jerusalem and throughout all his letters Paul blamed groups and missionaries trying to “convert” his followers to obeying the law disqualifying the as “Circumcised”.
If You consider that the Acts had been written in the 90th thus about 60 years later they do not contain any formal structure of a local church (aka community), no sacerdotal hierarchy, no sacraments, no unified canon, no theology let alone the idea of a unified church then Your statement is quite strange.
@@WMedl deals with Antioch from Jerusalem.. shows that the administration was one hence one church.
Paul traveled a lot and founded many churches, he always came back to the Apostles to be verified and accepted. Galatians 2.
The church is always 1.
You are definitely a spinner of false history! We're your original source documents to back up your outlandish claims😂
@@marknovetske4738 Most of the documents of different non proto-orthodox groups had been destroyed by the latter but con be partially retrieved by the church fathers scripts:
Tertullian: De Praescriptionibus adversus Haereticos
Origen. Contra Celsum
If you had any idea on the biblical history you would not have uttered such!
A disciple of the Apostle John
so the Church didnt REALLY start for four hundred years? 400 years shows up a couple times huh
It started as a fulfilment of Judaism, then separated into the ‘way’, then called catholic (universal) as it spread.
Judaism is NOT the faith of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob Israel.
Judaism began when the southern kingdom of Judah returned to Canaan, complete with pagan converts such as Edomites, and the forerunner of the Talmud, the Tradition of the Elders.
Christianity is a perfect fulfilment of Hebrewism.
It is not an offshoot of Judaism.
@@geordiewishart1683 most of so called christianity is a cult that follows a false jesus, not the real Messiah who said "follow Me", yet the "church" went off and did just whatever looked good in the eyes of man. Most people who read Scripture do so from western perceptions and customs, this is wrong
@@geordiewishart1683Wasn't Judaism all that was left of Hebrewism? Weren't all the Northern tribes dispersed & lost from Hebrew history?
300 you mean. As mentioned, the 4th Century would be significant as that was when Emperor Constantine converted to Christianity and Christians ceased to be persecuted in Rome and therefore able to worship without being beheaded during Mass like Pope Sixtus II in the 3rd Century along with all of his Deacons present at the time.
Typically Mass was celebrated in secrecy somewhere less conspicuous like a cemetery or a crypt in the early Roman Church, but the Church certainly existed long before the 4th Century. Also as mentioned, Ignatius himself was killed in the early 2nd Century and scholars conclude his writings date back to such a time. You have extant writings of Clement, Polycarp, Ignatius, Irenaeus, Eusebius and exerts from Papias, and Quadratus that still exist from the 1st and 2nd Centuries that suggest that the Church existed from the time of the Apostles under persecution until that 300 years later, being the 4th century, when Christianity became the Official Religion of Rome.
Nowhere in the Bible is the word “Trinity”mentioned, yet it exists in not only the Catholic Church, but most Protestant denominations as well.
It is a crystal clear teaching throughout scripture. Go away, Marxist.😊
John 1:1 might want to read that. Every manuscript of John ever found says the same thing.
3/10/2024 - if Antioch was one of the major centers of Christianity, which city was the major center of Christianity?
By then
Rome
Constantinople
Alexandria
Rome, Antioch, and Alexandria were the 3 most influential Holy Sees in Early Christianity. Later Jerusalem and Constantinople became major Holy Sees thus all them became known today as the 5 Great Holy Sees of Christianity.
Why are these peeps called "Bishops"? They didn't have that term at that time, nor did they reply to leaders as "Bishops"? Can someone provide some historical context?
“Office of a Bishop.”
(1 Timothy 3:1)
(189 A.D.) St. Irenaeus: “Apostles [Peter and Paul] founded the church [of Rome]… succession…
Linus the office of the episcopate (office of a Bishop)... Clement the bishopric.” (Against Heresies Book III Chapter 3:2-4) (CCC 857-863)
(354-430 A.D.) St. Augustine: “Catholic church episcopal succession [the BISHOPS of ROME] from PETER.” (Epistle of Manichaeus Chapters 4 & 5)
First Apostolic Succession (Acts 1:23-26)? YES! Apostles pass authority to Episkopoi (Koine Greek) Bishop (English) (Philippians 1:1) a.k.a. Páppas (Koine Greek) Pope (English)! (Apostolic succession - Wikipedia) (Pope - Wikipedia) (CCC 552) (Acts 6:6, 9:17-19) (Matthew 16:18)
(107 A.D.) St. Ignatius: “Let no man do anything connected with the church without the Bishop.” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 8:1)
@@MUSIC-MARY I was looking for Biblical references specifically. Simply curious if anyone outside the ACTS church referred to a position as "Bishop". I get the impression this was a term to denote church hierarchy and was something created later and not a term specifically given by the apostles.
@@riplee406 1 Timothy 1-3 is in the Bible, written by St. Paul. Our friend has also provided a cipher for you to reference from Greek.
"The saying is sure: whoever aspires to the office of Bishop desires a noble task. Now a Bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, and not a lover of money."
Clement in his First Epistle to the Corinthians about 40 years after Paul's First Epistle to the Corinthians is another great reference. Not Biblical but about as far back as you could possibly go without being in the Bible and was at one point even included with some Bibles until about the time of the Reformation.
44:1 Our Apostles, too, by the instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ, knew that strife would arise concerning the dignity of a Bishop;
44:2 and on this account, having received perfect foreknowledge, they appointed the above-mentioned as Bishops and Deacons: and then gave a rule of succession, in order that, when they had fallen asleep, other men, who had been approved, might succeed to their ministry.
Clement himself is named in Philippians 4:3 also written by Paul. He references and directs the Corinthians back to 1 Corinthians repeatedly, insinuating familiarity between Paul's Epistle and suggesting that it is probable he is the Clement mentioned by Paul.
Didache which is typically attributed to the first century by most scholars as well has a subsection on the topic of Bishops and Deacons.
Chapter 15. Bishops and Deacons; Christian Reproof. Appoint, therefore, for yourselves, Bishops and Deacons worthy of the Lord, men meek, and not lovers of money, and truthful and proved; for they also render to you the service of prophets and teachers. Therefore do not despise them, for they are your honored ones, together with the prophets and teachers.
Though these other examples may not be directly Biblical, it does suggest that it was used by the early Church within, at the most, a couple of decades. These documents also show a process of Apostolic Succession that existed in the Early Church in the First Century. You may notice the wordage is close to that of 1 Timothy above in Didache and also shows a lot of similarities concerning Sacraments described in the Gospel of Matthew should you decide to read it. Suffice it to say, it is fairly certain that these are reasonable references that any Christian could trust as close to Scripture as one could get and in the case of Timothy, from Scripture itself.
@@riplee406
Yes indeed
You forgot, he was the first Early Church Father that named the Catholic Church. Christ's Church.
Ave Maria 🙏♥️
When he called the church Catholic it meant something different than it means today, or that it meant in the fourth century.
He did not teach that Mary was a co-redeemer, another intercessor, purgatory, indulgences, transubstantiation, calling priests father, or praying repetitive prayers on rosary beads.
When Ignatius used the word Catholic, it did not mean those things as it does today.
@@christopherlees1134 You can LIE TO YOURSELF ALL YOU WANT. DELUDE YOURSELF IF YOU NEED TO, but don't TRY TO LIE TO ME OR ANYONE THAT READS THIS.
“Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1 [A.D. 110]). Saint Ignatius of Antioch
@@pete4258 Your reply does not answer my points. It does not show that Ignatius thought "Catholic" meant:
1. Mary was co-redeemer
2. Mary was another intercessor
3. Mary should be a focus of the church
4. Purgatory was a part of the doctrine
5. Indulgences were doctrine
6. That the Eucharist is transubstantiation (he just repeated what Jesus said, but there is no doctrine that it is his literal flesh, or that he is being sacrificed again and again)
7. Calling priests "Father"
8. Praying repetitive prayers on Rosary beads.
Until and unless you refute all those points by quoting Ignatius to prove them wrong - then we should all agree that when Ignatius said "Catholic", he meant merely universal, and that it is dishonest to try to imply that Ignatius was a "Catholic" as we know them today (Mary worship, Rosary prayers, co-redeemers etc...)
Please feel free to respond to all my points - but if your response does not address them, I will not respond in return because it means my points stand uncontested.
@@christopherlees1134 Just for your information, I dislike disingenuous people. I don't hate them, but they are a bane when it comes to people who want an honest debate.
It's obvious you don't WANT ONE. You think I have to debate by the RULES you set. I won't, because we BOTH know that Saint Ignatius wouldn't have necessarily said many things on your list, BECAUSE the Church wasn't faced with a heresy where something had to be defined. Perfect example is the Trinity. Arianism popped up it's ugly head and began to take root in the 3rd Century. It wasn't until the Catholic Church held an ecumenical council in Nicea to define Jesus as being GOD to stamp that falsehood out.
Your line of questions would be similar to a person trying to dispute physics, by asking a student so your so smart, why don't you tell me what Isaac Newton thought of String Theory, the Double Slit Experiment, Black Holes, E=mc2 and other things. Because if you don't give me his specific answers, today's Physics is not the same type of Physics he was talking about.
What you were hoping is that you would find a Catholic weak in his faith or history. You picked the wrong person.
As far as Saint Ignatius thoughts of transubstantiation it is OBVIOUS he believed in it since he BELIEVED in the Eucharist.
In fact in Today's Gospel that ALL Catholic Churches read from today this 2nd Sunday of Lent, it demonstrates the TWO NATURES OF CHRIST. It happens to be the 4th Luminous Mystery in the Rosary that I pray every Thursday.
I pray that you change your underhanded tactics and turn away from your disobedience and come in the Church Jesus established on this Earth. The Catholic Church.
Ave Maria ♥️🙏
Gospel
Mt 17:1-9
Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother,
and led them up a high mountain by themselves.
And he was transfigured before them;
his face shone like the sun
and his clothes became white as light.
And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them,
conversing with him.
Then Peter said to Jesus in reply,
"Lord, it is good that we are here.
If you wish, I will make three tents here,
one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."
While he was still speaking, behold,
a bright cloud cast a shadow over them,
then from the cloud came a voice that said,
"This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased;
listen to him."
When the disciples heard this, they fell prostrate
and were very much afraid.
But Jesus came and touched them, saying,
"Rise, and do not be afraid."
And when the disciples raised their eyes,
they saw no one else but Jesus alone.
As they were coming down from the mountain,
Jesus charged them,
"Do not tell the vision to anyone
until the Son of Man has been raised from the dead."
@@pete4258 Hey Pete! Do you k ow for certain that you’re not going to Hell when you die? If so, could you please tell me how?
The third Patriarch who has compiled heavenly dreams into 7 epistles and he was the same boy lord Jesus took in his hands
Evidently, at this time, the Book of Hebrews was not yet considered in the doctrine of the church. The Book of Hebrews put an end to a ghostly/angel-like Jesus who only appeared physical. Hebrews stresses the importance of Jesus being a flesh and blood human being with the spirit of God. If Jesus wasn't a human then He could not have died for our sins.
Heb. 2:14-17 - Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
A flowery version of the beginnings of the "church" deceptions.
And who don't like flowers aye.
He will be in first resurrection
*400 BC
I LOVE THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH!!!!
Biblical Proof the seventh day (Saturday) IS the Sabbath
Matt 27:62 The next day, the one after Preparation Day......(.Saturday)
Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, (Sunday)
Mark 15:42 - It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath).
Mark 16:1-2 - When the Sabbath was over,(After sunset Saturday)
Mark 16:9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week (Sunday)
Luke 23:54 It was Preparation Day, (friday) and the Sabbath was about to begin
Luke 23:56 Then they went home and prepared spices and perfumes. But they rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment.( Just before sunset Friday)
Luke 24:1 On the first day of the week, very early in the morning, (Sunday)
John 19:31 Now since it was preparation day (Friday), in order that the bodies might not remain on the cross on the sabbath, for the sabbath day of that week was a solemn one,
John 19:42 because of the Jewish day of Preparation (Friday), since the tomb was close at hand, they laid Jesus there. 42 And so, because it was the day of preparation for the Jewish Passover
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.The Bible is complete, authoritative, and true. “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness” (2 Timothy 3:16).
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I posted this several months ago. NOT one catholic has replied! Why????
Catholics claim Sunday is a holy day made by God.
I will ask these questions again which NO ONE can answer.
And I know you will NOT!!!
---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He rested on the first day of the week to make that day special??
----Where in the Holy Bible does God say He BLESSED the first day of the week to make that day special??
----Where in the Holy Bible does God say He SANCTIFIED the first day of the week to make that day special??
---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He Gave a name to the first day of the week to make that day special??
---Where in the Holy Bible does God say He DECLARES the first day of the week as HIS HOLY DAY to make that day special??
FACTS"
--The ONLY day GOD RESTED ON--Seventh day!! Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD BLESSED--Seventh dayt---Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD SANCTIFIED--Seventh day--Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD NAMED--Seventh day--SAbbath--Isaiah 58:13
--The ONLY day GOD DECLARES as HIS HOLY DAY--Seventh day--Isaiah 58:13, Matthew 24:36-41
Early Christian celebrated it on Sunday because that’s the day christ rose from the dead. The same mass is held on saturday evenings though if you’d want to go.
@@boystantoytle5520 quote---Early Christian celebrated it on Sunday because that’s the day christ rose from the dead.--unquote
That is an OPINION and a lie!!!
Why?
FACTS"
--The ONLY day GOD RESTED ON--Seventh day!! Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD BLESSED--Seventh dayt---Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD SANCTIFIED--Seventh day--Gen 2:1-3, EX 20:8-11
--The ONLY day GOD NAMED--Seventh day--SAbbath--Isaiah 58:13
--The ONLY day GOD DECLARES as HIS HOLY DAY--Seventh day--Isaiah 58:13, Matthew 24:36-41
>>>>>DO NOT quote Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Romans 14:3 or Colossians 2:16-23.
----quote---The same mass is held on saturday evenings though if you’d want to go.--unquote
Which is Sunday.
Whene did Jesus have a Mass?
Greeks conquered Antioch area in 4th Century BC, NOT AD
It doesn’t sound strange to wish to die for faith in Christ. It is strange for Non-Catholics because they are foreign of redemptive suffering, temporal punishment due to sin and even baptism. When we are baptized we are baptized into His death so we can rise with Him.🙏🏼
False, non Catholics such as myself are NOT foreign to redemptive suffering.
What you said is simply an unbelievably ignorant statement.
@@ibelieveitcauseiseentit9630 I agree. It's a bit ignorant.
Also, the word is rise, not raise.
@@ibelieveitcauseiseentit9630 that’s a work.
@@adamclark1972uk Thanks
Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. ( Ὅπου ἂν φανῇ ὁ ἐπίσκοπος, ἐκεῖ τὸ πλῆθος ἤτω, ὥσπερ ὅπου ἂν ῇ Ἰησοῦς Χριστός, ἐκεῖ ἡ Καθολικὴ Ἐκκλησία.) Chapter 8 in his letter to the Smyrnians.
that's my nigga, Ignatius, he be like, bring on the lions Hoorah get some!
Not AD, it was BC
Greeks conquered Antioch in 400 AD?? AD??
God did say to Moses that he would be like God when he was sent to deal with Pharaoh. This is what Ignatous and the Church Fathers meant. Every God-called and God-ordained apostle is an ambassador for God. It is as if God himself is speaking to people. It is not a replacement of God.
quote----God did say to Moses that he would be like God when he was sent to deal with Pharaoh--unquote
That is an opinion with NO facts. no scripture.
@mitchellosmer1293 these are ALL OPINIONS.SICKENING
Job 38:30
Authorized (King James) Version
30 The waters are hid as with a stone,
and the face of the deep is frozen.
Genesis 1:2
Authorized (King James) Version
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
*hindrance
Job 38:30
Authorized (King James) Version
30 The waters are hid as with a stone,
and the face of the deep is frozen.
Genesis 1:2
Authorized (King James) Version
2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
John 1:5
Authorized (King James) Version
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
As there abound reminders of what happened before, even if it is indeed sacred: We knew with solid proofs that can never be disputed, there can [here SHALL is an emphasis of literature but even these line of pleadings is actually telling what to do wrong
] never be peace. No matter how many New Testaments would come if it remains that it is really us who doesn't play our part in the economy of salvation, ...He "will remember sins no more..." will not happen. For sure, one of us will do a sacred prayer and gathering and will read what WAS and what WAS, and then, WILL REMEMBER NO MORE??? Another thing, it will not that a chicken (not rooster for the sake of not saying a curse because for sure it will not be understood) somebody here will deny one that is other for him...If some became like those never known by any of you will again say where did this is written, let this be a prayer of protection to any who will dare to answer but actually not answer but committing self judgment: brother Paul said: let this be devoid of correctness but surely can be understood easily if there is LOVE: when there was no law, there is no??? when the law came, there was an irressistable urges in at least one of those, in the body or not in a body i dont know; might have religiously celebrate such and or studied puzzling and jumbling of marrying that verse to this, and this to that; and walla, mahghicas a solid unreasonable confusion results again, else continue arguing for argumentation is good and is devoid of demonoid just shakle the feeling and all sorts of any that muscles when laboring, guess what in the long run, hairs gives the sign of wisdom that is not, going to be what we don't need to say...
An objective view of Ignatius is revealing to those seeking accuracy in a true Christian quest! Firstly, why did he title himself 'Theophorus'. This means 'Godbearer'. apparently he claimed to be one of the little children that Jesus took into his arms! (There is no evidence for this.) Which for starters is quite a claim that would invoke a special & elevated position in the eyes of his fellow Christians! Secondly By reading his letters to vaious 'churches' it becomes evident that he had a preoccupation with his own death as a 'martyr'! He even hoped that the 'wild beasts in Rome would be ' enticed' to hasten his death! Thus again he wanted to stand out, to be recongised as someone 'special'. He focussed continually on the 'authority' of the bishops who had to be obeyed without question. Even their 'agape' ( love feasts, social occasions, ) could only be held with the PERMISSION of the bishop. Thus in summary he was a bit of a fanatic! Harse and ridged in his beliefs and instructions! he tended to "Seek the glory of men rather than the Gory of |God" John 12:43
St. Ignatius never claimed to have been the child that sat on the lap of Jesus. This was a rumor that came about from some of the people later in his life and could not be confirmed. What is historically documented is his ordination as Bishop by the Apostle Peter, therefore his education of Christianity comes with the authority given to the Apostles from Christ.
John 20:21-23 "Again Jesus said, "Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.' And with that he breathed on them and said, "receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive anyone's sins they are forgiven; If you retain their sins, they are retained.'
In fact, since the time of Christ, every single Bishop that has ever lived has been ordained by a legitimate Bishop before him, so that every single Bishop can trace his linage back to Christ.
And you are correct, he desired to be martyred only to give Glory of God, and be with Christ in heaven. As did the 12 Apostles (all were martyred except John). I suggest actually reading the the writings of Ignatius, Irenaeus, Clement, Justin Martyr, heck read of any of the saints...one of the desires they all shared was this burning desire to leave this world and be with our Lord. Yes they were all "fanatics" because they were completely obsessed by their love of Jesus!
Romans 8:18 "I consider that the sufferings of this present time are as nothing compared with the glory to be revealed to us."
*Also, the "love feasts" are referring to the Eucharist, the Body of Christ which is holy communion.
Luke 22:19 "Then he took the bread, said the blessing, broke it, and gave it to them, saying, " This is my body, which will be given up for you; do this in memory of me."
Couldn't be any more protestant
Truth hurts. The 1st century church was catholic. Pity you can't understand martyrdom. Maybe that's why protestants freak out about being left behind.
Lie is that thay put pikcure on 4 corner in "church" ...
Saund like thay think are wiser than Holly Wird=good news=bible, and humble LOVING God Yeshua
he is not the church father but Abraham Isaac and Jacob..
The Christianities church father was Christ...and 12 apostles..
Who cares he was a real man of God not like today
No. The old covenant with Israel was completed. Then Christ, the new covenant, established a church. The fruitless branches were cut off the vine and the gentiles grafted on. The church was born on calvary.
Dude showed a HRE flag and referred to the Roman Empire 🙄
Edit: also shows Smyrna in the wrong location on the map. Be careful with amateur YT history lessons lol
We are exhorted by The Holy Spirit to maintain the unity of the Spirit until we come into the unity of the Faith. The belief that we should maintain the unity of the faith is contrary to scripture, and led to leader worship, and that led to the godless practice of popery, which was reformed into pastor/king worship found in our religious social clubs today.
I don't know how one can read St Ignatius and not become Catholic. He's explicit in his teaching.
@@_rob_. Thank you for the suggestion, I just did and here's what I found:
“Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes” (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1 [A.D. 110]).
I still don't see how on can not be Catholic after reading that. Could you shed some light for me?
@@_rob_. Did you read Fiducia Supplicans? What's wrong with blessing sinners?
@@ContriteCatholic
AMEN!!!
(412 A.D.) St. Augustine: “Whoever is separated from this Catholic Church the wrath of God rests upon him.” (Letters 141:5)
May grace and peace be multiplied unto you from God our Father and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Saved by grace and faith alone. If you die at that moment you are saved. It is also important to know that such a person has not bore fruit yet.
For those who need to live through Christ , you are saved by Grace and Faith alone and as you abide in Christ the sap of the True Vine will flow through bringing forth fruit in abidance with the sap(Holy Spirit) coming from Christ. The beauty of this fruit, is that it will bring forth works that last.
The Father will then see this and start pruning the branch to bring forth more fruit.
Where does the bible say "faith alone" those exact words in that exact order. They appear only once, do you know where?
The first person to espouse the idea of “once saved, always saved” was John Calvin in the mid-sixteenth century. Even Martin Luther didn't subscribe to the theory. Prior to Calvin, the unanimous consent of the early Christians was that a person is capable of losing his salvation by committing mortal sin, as John spoke about in 1 John 5:16-17.
In the first century, the Didache, commonly known as the Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, said “Watch for your life’s sake. Let not your lamps be quenched, nor your loins unloosed; but be ready, for you know not the hour in which our Lord comes. But you shall assemble together often, seeking the things which are befitting to your souls: for the whole time of your faith will not profit you, if you be not made complete in the last time” (Didache 16 [A.D. 70]).
In the second century, Irenaeus wrote, “To Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Savior, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, ‘every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess’ [Phil. 2:10-11] to him, and that he should execute just judgment towards all. . . . The ungodly and unrighteous and wicked and profane among men [shall go] into everlasting fire; but [he] may, in the exercise of his grace, confer immortality on the righteous, and holy, and those who have kept his commandments, and have persevered in his love, some from the beginning [of their Christian course], and others from [the date of] their penance, and may surround them with everlasting glory” (Against Heresies 1:10:1 [A.D. 189]).
Such consistent testimony could be given from the dawn of Christianity until today, and no suggestion of “once saved, always saved” can be found on the lips of any Christian before Calvin
Orthodox Christians revere Ignatius.
Thank God Ignatius letters were not accepted as part of the biblical cannon. The Spirit of God is all knowing
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You really think the further Christianity moves from its origin, the more pure it becomes? 😂😂😂😂
@@lizmonard well, my disagreement with Ignatius is on honouring the bishop as we do honour the Lord. Knowing very well that humans are not perfect and the devil can take control of institutional leadership.
@@lizmonard what do you mean?
@@petertawiah I agree with that, I shouldn’t have jumped to the conclusion that you were Protestant! 😢
Ignatius was the bishop of Antioch in the early second century. He was arrested in about A.D. 110 and sent to Rome for trial and martyrdom.
He taught that churches should have elders and a ruling bishop; in other words, he was exalting one bishop over another, whereas in scripture the terms “bishop” and “elder” refer to the same humble office in the assembly (Titus 1:5-7).
He taught that all churches are a part of one universal church.
He claimed that a church does not have authority to baptize or conduct the Lord’s Supper unless it has a bishop.
These relatively innocent errors helped prepare the way for more error in the next century.
Who taught Ignatius these errors? His teacher John the Apostle?
How would I know?
I wasn't there.
Why would someone have had to have taught him?
Maybe it was pagan influence?
I just think the claim you're making here is a bit of a stretch and not really supported by the passage in Titus you mentioned. What passages from the NT or Ignatius' writings led you to this conclusion? For me, the elders/overseers are spoken about very similarly in both but I am not an expert.
Which of my claims are you querying?
that Ignatius was the bishop of Antioch in the early second century?
That he was arrested in about A.D. 110 and sent to Rome for trial and martyrdom?
That he taught that churches should have elders and a ruling bishop; in other words, he was exalting one bishop over another?
Or that in scripture the terms “bishop” and “elder” refer to the same humble office in the assembly (Titus 1:5-7)?
Or that he taught that all churches are a part of one universal church?
Or that he claimed that a church does not have authority to baptize or conduct the Lord’s Supper unless it has a bishop?
Errors by the man who was taught by Polycarp, student of the Apostle John. Thank you @geordiewishart1683 for correcting the errors of those who lived alongside the very first witnesses.
It never ceases to amaze me how these videos all show Jesus with long hair, when He himself stated that would be an abomination to God. Notice the other men all had short hair, as required by God.
Christian spelled wrong. Ignatius was found guilty of being a CHRTISTIAN
06:38 - Should be: "So I may be found to be 'ONE OF THE purebred of the CHRIST:" No holy bishop would claim ONLY for himself as a purebred of the Lord Christ [JESUS], Amen; in that Christ himself too, is the only Firstfruits,; and, Amen; HalleluYAH! I believe in the LORD there must be "overhauling" to be done, Amen. Oh, if the LORD will, I would love to teach of the Holy Ghost in your "Theology Academy" for FREE [HalleluYAH!] only that I'd be given free food, transport, and accommodation also, Amen; Peace/Shalom 📜📖⚖💎💝🌈😇🙌🙏
Protopapism confusion between ❤authority of man
min 8:22 If you are really honest with yourself. Church Unity is that we are under one Lord, One Faith, One Baptism. Only found in the Catholic Church.🙏🏼
The modern Catholic Church is nothing like the first century church as described in the book of acts and other New Testament books. They do not worship Mary, they do not see Mary as a co-redeemer, they do not see Mary as another intercessor.
Ignatius would rebuke the Catholic Church house it is known today, all the way back to the fourth century, for false doctrine.
@@christopherlees1134 Well, Christopher you're just another envious and jealous creature whose heart is full of hatred against the Catholic Church. What ever truth is there your heart finds fault to discredit the originality of the church's state. You must read more with humility and with the enlightenment of the Holy Spirit and not those comment that can be discerned as coming from a jealous heart.
@@mimieakutagawa5145 Your personal attack against me leaves my points uncontested, but it does show your frustration.
@@Jerry-er6lq What did I say that isn't true? Let's talk about that.
@@mimieakutagawa5145 wow dude, Christopher Lee wrote a very respectable and non insulting comment.
Then you turn around and call him a creature (as if he's no better than an animal) and tell him he's full of hatred and jealousy of the Catholic church. So Christopher makes a comment that has no insults whatsoever in it. He just stated what he believed. Then you turn around and accuse him of being full of hatred after you make hateful comments to him calling him a hateful and jealous animal.
Do you have any idea how ignorant it is to claim that a Protestant like me is jealous of the Catholic Church?
If we were envious and jealous we would simply join the church. But we know that the Catholic church is telling lies and nonsense
But your attitude towards Christopher after he wrote a perfectly respectable and not insulting statement certainly demonstrates the love of Christ right?
Wow, really makes me want to come to a Catholic church and feel some of that love.
... Not.
Another Stand firm as does an ENVIL that is hammered. Correct word is ANVIL.
The man all Protestants fear
Amen.
Amen.. not only protestants but all the other denomination of Christians.. Ignatius was one of the very solid foundations of catholic churches as the one and only original Church of Jesus Christ.. No one can ever destroy this foundations..
Protestants, you believe in Sola Scriptura, which is ALL inspired by the Holy Spirit who can’t error, yes?
Why does the New Testament have about hundreds of contradictions? “The Book of Non-Contradiction” (2017)
Why did Jesus NOT tell his Apostles to write a New Treatment?
Where in the Bible does it say use Bible Authority only?
After the resurrection, Jesus gave his Apostles a New Testament? Yes or No! NO!!!!!!
Protestants don’t agree with each other’s doctrines, you have 30K denominations! Why should I as a Roman Catholic agree with you when you can’t agree with each other?
(412 A.D.) St. Augustine: “Whoever is separated from this Catholic Church the wrath of God rests upon him.” (Letters 141:5)
It’s troubling to hear people speak, so cruel and divisively against pope Francis. I pray the Holy Spirit will help us all for the unity that we keep pushing away.🙏❤️
Speak the truth about heretics.
*BC
You used a holy roman empire flag to signify rome, rome didnt have a flag
Who cares
Protestants didnt even exist till 1517 A.D.!
HERETICS!!!
Catholic, meaning original Christian, yes ! It does not refer to Roman Catholic ! just advising some ill-informed commentators.
4th century AD ??? Don't you mean BC ??? Helenization occured BEFORE Messiah came. In the time of the Earthly ministry of Jesus, the Romans had already taken over. You need to edit your videos better.