The Messed Up Truth Of The Council Of Nicaea
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The Council of Nicaea | 0:00
Apocryphal apocrypha | 1:08
The Arian controversy | 2:15
A popular heresy | 3:25
Wanted for assault Santa Claus | 4:39
A universal statement of faith | 5:48
Making Easter less Jewish | 7:03
Another church schism | 8:19
The marriage of church and state | 9:26
Caring more about peace than theology | 10:34
The failure of Nicaea | 11:47
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I greatly appreciate you immediately dispelling the myth of how the Bible was codified at the council.
Lol that’s not a myth
@@eccentricbeaut4347, it *is* a myth.
@@tryingnottobeasmartass757 lol yeah no it isn’t… if you think the modern day Bible is how it was from the the Bible back then… you’re a fool
It isn't a myth, it actually happened. This guy is just a christian apologist!
@@tonygrowley5275 Oh, did it really? Your evidence, sir?
I feel like as Christians we should be teaching more of this
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we do??? Inspiring Philosophy, Rulsan KD& more???
Catholic church has been teaching this since the council. All of the bishops mentioned were of the catholic church
@@DUZCO10 Trinity is blasphemy.
@@eliasziad7864 I (Jesus Christ) am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”
Revelation 22:13
Good coverage. It is interesting to note that Arianism is very similar to Islam in it's belief of God and Jesus. Christianity and Islam have very similar history and beliefs (including their respect for Jesus) but the biggest difference is that Christians are trinitarians and Muslims are unitarians believing in only 1 indivisible god with Jesus being one of his major prophets.
Arians still believe Jesus is divine, like a being higher than all angels but slightly lower than God.
Christianity,Islam,Judaism are all Abrahamic which is why they are so similar,all 3 co sign each other.
Christianity does not have “respect” for Jesus.
Jesus is God in flesh just as scripture says.
@@kellyanne7225 of course, because the bible said so.
Jehova Witness is more similar to Arianism than Islam.
well presented excellent The background instrumental is distracting and makes your script challenged by making some of your facts difficult to hear.
Agreed
The fact that this man having to explain the so-called God of Bible !! God's supposedly holy words is proof there's no God!!!
God cannot be tempted with evil (James 1:13).Jesus was tempted by evil(Matt.4:1-11).If Jesus was God, hoe
how could Jesus be tempted by evil? (Mikael Lyngvig).
Before you say well-done to people you should pull everything he says apart then lay it on a table and see if it's real or a fake.
Independent board game publisher Hollandspiele just put out a new game called Nicaea about this very topic! It does a great job modeling the political opportunism at the heart if the First Nicene Council's theological debates. Worth noting that the production value may not be what you'd expect from a game at its price point, but it's worth it for the gameplay and to support a great independent publisher.
The term "It doesn't make an iota's worth of difference" comes from the Arian/Trinitarian controversy. Trinitarians believe that God the Son was of the same nature as the God the Father. Arians believed that God the Son was of "like nature" with God the Father. The Greek word for "same nature" is "homousious" and the word for "like nature" was "homoiusious." The only difference was the letter "i" - in Greek, "iota." Many in society didn't see the difference.
And the pharoahs were called "son of God" and considered themselves God, Son of God, and with the spirit of God. You're so confused. Jesus was Pharoah and wanted to free Hebrews from slavery. The Hebrews just. Didn't. Get. It.
I love this kind of trivia. Thanks for being nerdy enough to know about this, lol.
Gee, thanks, mister Peabody!
@@joysoyo2416you’re mixing Jesus with Moses now. There’s more than 1000 years between Jesus and Moses freeing his people from Egypt.
It's all fake anyway
Love your quality content. Just lower down the background music a bit, please. It's quite distracting.
Why is Marcion of Sinope not mentioned?
Modern version of Arianism: Jehovah's Witnesses.
Those Heretics
That would be an insult to arians.
@@LightForger How can you believe in the trinity??
Revelation 1:1
A revelation by Jesus Christ, which [God] gave him, to show his slaves..
Revelation 1:6
and he made us to be a kingdom, priests to his [God and Father]-yes, to him be the glory and the might forever. Amen.
Can't even get through the first chapter of Revelation . Before this false pagan trinity teaching crumbles...
Hallelujah-Praise Jah you people.
@@MrDirtybird777: That’s GOD, not “Jah.”
@@redredmane5544 please tell me what you are talking about?
Jah, Yah, YHWH-YAHWEH , Jehovah is the personal name of Almighty God the Father Creator of the Universe
The name likely means (He causes to become) Meaning He becomes or can do- anything to accomplish his will..
Are you a Bible reader? You don't know this?
Hallelujah-Praise Jah you people.
surprisingly well researched.
He was reading a script, he dosent know what he is talking about .
a. Convened by a pagan emperor b. Attended by less than a 3rd of 'biships' c. The bishop of Rome, absent d. The conclusion, insisted on by the Emperor. e. An edict that capital punishment for any disagreeing. f. Held in a summer Roman palace I could go on! How different from the first real Christian council in AD49 in Jerusalem. Please read in Acts 15 for the contrast!
A useless comment.What was the point?
Interesting information about the Nicene Creed. I would LOVE to hear what you have to say without distracting loud noise in the background. 👍👏🙏❤️.
You know what I love in videos about history and important events? Loud guitar music and some dude standing in a room, looking straight at me like I wore a thong to the gym.
Gosh😂😅
I appreciate that you are capable of discussing the historicity of the Christian church(es) without looking down your nose at the faith.
It's nice to be able to deliver using critiquing not insulting or flattery for sure.
But nobody has to respect the ideology.
It's says things like Israel need only ask and smash us like pottery, crush us with a rod of iron and "inherit" all our lands.
Nah man.. it's arrogant as hell to tell people we have to respect talking about genociding us and stealing everything we own.
Or when Yahweh says he'll gather EVERY nation to Jerusalem and have their houses sacked and women raped. (12 is marriage age according to him)
Absolutely nobody has to "respect" that.
I won't be told to respect global gang rape of women and potentially 12 yr Olds.
Shouldn't he be critical of his own church?
That star is the one star of Venus , it has nothing to do with Judaism.
Anyway, you have the divine spark and you should always trust yourself first.
❤ Faith is inside not in a book of Men. Namaste
I have recited the Nicean Creed so many times in my life and never before thought about its history fascinating
Sad!
No disrespect but that goes to show how we just do things cause we are told to
@@swagcity6215 heretic
They Changed The Bible
But Still people Think it's God's Book
@@XIXCentury Cry
Could you remove that creepy Howdy Doody from the shelf behind you? Thanking you in advance.
Yes! I thought it was just me.
-creepy.
What Nicaea did not finish was accomplished at Chalcedon.
The video is good and informative, but the background music kills it for me. You’ve got hyped up music that sounds like it’s primed for a sports package video, not a historical mini documentary. Completely takes one out of the video
Excellent objective presentation of a religion. I personally appreciate the Historicity of it all. Ubuntu Ma'at Ase'🙏🏿
I love your coverage of historical events. Thanks for doing this.
The council of Jerusalem was the first council.
I was pleasantly surprised! An even-handed video on a touchy subject.
Been studying this council since I was 16, always found it interesting. I do have my own opinions and beliefs on what the council is responsible for with the ancient Egyptians but I’ll be mindful/respectful to peoples belief.
I’d love to hear about it! Forget offending someone.
@@YoungKalei facts bro let's hear it! i'm religious myself but idc, discussion is the way to knowledge and truth!
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Constantine was No Christian. Constantine and his clever politicking while passing "laws" against the primary teachings of Christ just as Paul and Christ emphatically warned the new Christian church did so to stop the fighting & persecution. He worshiped Pluto and Saturn yet was the "Christian (???)" emperor who passed new Views & teachings thus adopted "law". _"Worship our way or be brutally persecuted and tortured; even burned alive!"_ A year after The First Council of Nicaea Constantine had his wife and son murdered. Nice guy.
It was Constantine who passed a law voted by various bishops; many involved in mystic views - that Christ and Elohim & the Spirit were one single sentient being. Ironic that this view has a very deep pagan Greek polytheistic origin. Prior to the The First Council of Nicaea, The "Aryan" view was the accepted view for hundreds of years. Oh and btw when Constantine decided to become baptized _(on his death bed because that way he believed he would not be held accountable for his many past sins);_ The Bishop who baptized him was Aryan.
The original Christian founders were Jews and they repeatedly admonished future generations of the "last days" to "get out of Babylon (the great)" because we are *in* Babylon the great aka False teachings or the doctrines of men. Then move on to Easter and Sunday and Saturday, Hell Fire etc - just some of many pagan doctrines that Paul warned would creep into the Church. And tell me why was John's first vision regarding the degradation of the Church and it's teachings? Why would God judge the Church so harshly if innocent? Why are there page after page of denunciations regarding the state of the Church and teachings found w/i the words spoken by Elohim Himself then recorded by the likes of Isiah or Ezekiel or Daniel and again for this very hour or generation? There are 3 full pages side by side in Ezekiel alone of how poorly the average pastor and self proclaimed prophet would behave in this very hour and all the false teachings therein.
The Trinity is the oldest pagan doctrine around, as old as Nimrod. And All the prophets in unison say that 90% of the pastors today will be teaching false doctrine. John echos this in his vision on the Isl of patmos. The church is corrupt. "The Reformation" did reform but failed to restore the simple purity of the redemptive message via the Christ through the prophets.
Read the first 3 denunciations of the church. At the end of all three - _Elohim speaks in threes for emphasis_ - it states (in a nutshell) that the one who clearly sees the sins of the Church will be written in the book of life.
Jesus first created and Beloved son of Elohim; our true Risen King currently Sits at the Right hand of Himself? Yeshua is the first created being "first son" within our reality as we understand it. Elohim then created all the angels. Yeshua/Jesus is the very seed of Creation Himself. (Read the first few chapters of Hebrews - use a good translation - then read the Septuagint - that is if you are brave enough to take the red pill.). He is the only angelic being able to create. All things (w/i our reality) are created by Him, through Him and for Him. He holds all the Adamic and Angelic DNA. There exist 12 distinct types; Jesus being the Archetype. This is exactly how Jesus was able to be born of the tribe of Judah when Mary was not. Yeshua used the living spirit and power of Elohim to create with Elohim's approval and authority. Jesus was full man/human when He walked the Earth thus in his success proved Satan's claims as false. He facilitated His father's life sustaining spirit to aid Him - to Heal others etc. He is the first fruit of many (to come). Peter, John, Paul were able to access Elohim's spirit as well with the same power later but not until after Jesus finished His commission.
To quote Tozer in a nutshell "The Trinity; the greatest Mystery never contested"
@@YoungKaleiI'm not religious but I would also like some more knowledge.
Yeah if Jesus has been mindful/respectful to people's belief I believed He will not die on the cross & disobey the Father will.
The music really takes away from the presentation. I'm very excited about the content but I literally am turning this video off and haven't made it through a quarter of the video because it's so distracting. The music doesn't compliment the context or content.
Same, got to 1.55 and gave up
@@anniev48 Its quite disappointing.
I understand this period much better now. Thank you 103021
They propagated many of the false doctrines in religions today. This included, but not limited to, the trinity doctrine, the most outstanding of all. 👹👹👹
🤦♂️ the trinity was already a thing before nicea. Nicea was to shut down phoney doctrines about jesus and the father
The Trinity was never in the bible in the first place.
Matthew 28:18-20
This was surprisingly well researched and nuanced
I’m a biblical scholar and I was waiting for something much much worse than this but it is generally quite well seen and delivered
Yes, I'm also getting that impression from this series of videos. It's a pleasant feeling.
biblical scholar is an oxymoron! lol
That's because he sugar coated all the killings and what really happened to so many people for not believing what they decided was scriptures out of the 24 thousand,, no two are identical by the way, you would know as some one study them
@@anthonycarmine9953 You should really do some of your own research into this, you’d see that it had nothing to do with the canonization of scripture (which books should be included or excluded). The council was called to address the Arianism heresy, stop getting your historical knowledge from Dan Brown novels.
This was really good. I'm learning about this in Medieval European history.
Aún no era Edad Media hasta la caída del imperio romano occidental en 470
Wrong era totally I'm afraid
Great info, well presented... the soundtrack is maddening though.
Notice the 'mitres' the bishops are all wearing? what is their origin? They were exactly the same as the head dresses worn by the priests of Dagon the 'Fish god' ( see 'the pagan origin of the mitre' in google). Harldy fitting for 'Christian' bishops to wear! Just an outward expression of the inward pagan amagamation of beliefs that the council of Nicea introduced to a corrupting church!
The paintings are from centuries after the council. At the council of Nicea miters did not yet exist. We do not see a miter like headdress for bishops before the 11th century, the first small ones probably influenced by the crown of the Byzantine emperor. That is 2000 years after this so called fish God. There is no connection what so ever. This fish god story was invented by a guy in the 19th century with a very bad grasp of history and all he wrote has long been debunked by serious historians.
@@ladydustin7811 Thanks, very informative! Poin taken. However. Please tell me how you feel about men of God wearing elaborate robes e.t.? Can you equate that with all we real about the early Christians. ( I will do more research as to several pagan apendages depicted on church robes. I do know for sure that the 'Chi Rho ( Jesus enitials in Latin) were used by pagan Constantine and adorned to the shields of his warrioirs at the battle of Malvern gate in Rome. It also was displayed on banners that went to areas of the battle to give it more power therre! Christian? I hardly think so!
Imagine, it all happened 3 centuries after the death of Jesus.
So, within three hundred years Christianity became THIS complicated. Amen. 103021
@@orchidorio : Actually, the doctrine of the Trinity as we now have it was not formulated until AFTER Nicea. So how could there be an 'orthodox' view?
Who knew the other Abrahamic religions believe the only true god is the father. Islam and Judaism believes theres one god and no other persons! You must wonder why Most of Christianity is the only anomaly between the 3 Abrahamic religions? Does that mean the Jews in the old testament were wrong this whole time believing for only one god? Lol
@@cyanara5523god in heaven, his word on earth and his spirit that does his will. 1 god 3 tools.
@@paulploy6830 But those tools are one in accord and is not one person its the same as
1 Corinthians 3:6-11
He who plants and he who waters are one, and each will receive his wages according to his labor. For we are God's fellow workers. You are God's field, God's building.
These are two people referring to 2 of the apostles are you going to say that they are one in a literal sense? Or are they one because they are doing the same task at hand?
If 2 farmers have 2 different jobs but their job is to grow a plant they are one in accord. Not one in person
Fantastic informational video. Thank you
I've watched that Vantriloquist/Dummy "Twilight Zone" episode too much. Was waiting on him to sit up. 😅🤣
This is interesting, anything to do with religion is all wrong with the living people on earth!! God bless God's children, Amen!!🙏
Amen 🙏
Have you seen the crap unfolding in Canada? The church and religion MUST go!! We are in the 21st century, well past the time of superstitious belief.
Religion is not Faith. Religion is organized rules created by men in order to worship and reach the divine. Faith is having belief in something you can't see or touch.
As for the second comment I live in Canada and we have more Muslims than Christians. Believing in God and Jesus as the Son of God and the Son of Man isn't superstition. It's plain truth. The only place the Church is going is with Jesus when the rapture of the Church occurs. Don't curse and throw out what you clearly lack understanding in.
@@Zantetsuken94 The first Jewish revolt, mithra & the reason why Constantine changed his surname to flavius gives you a better understanding of the council of Nicea.
An as a Muslim I believe Jesus peace be upon is a prophet to the lost sheep of Israel. Not the begotten sun of god that's blasphemy!!!!
@@myisden2954 Speaking like a true dictator. Wanting to remove people from freedom to believe in God. Soon, I hope you find that both science and a conscious source (Supreme intellect) responsible for reality go hand in hand.
the Council of Nicaea also rejected the 7th day Sabbath also know as the Lords day[Luke 6:5, Isaiah 58"13] being to Jewish and voted for the Sunday the day of Sun worship.
This is false the earliest writings of church gathering for the Lord's day by Justin Martyr in First Apology Chapter 67, teaches it was on Sunday long before this council
And In Acts 20:7 discusses the eucharist and it being practiced on Sunday
@@isaacdominguez474nope. First day of week in bible is Saturday night .
Hey man do you have any resources for that? Ive been trying to find evidence that the RCC "changed" the Sabbath day
@@xintimidate they didn't from the earliest writings it was Sunday I mentioned some sources in my comments
@@isaacdominguez474 No offense but I dont trust Catholics when it comes to Church history.
Thank You for this. I have often heard the idea that the Council of Nicaea deternmined what Books would become Canon so this is insightful. On the flip side the "music" of this video is horrible, too loud, and distracting (my opinion). Still, I Appreciate you Clarifying this topic
Fair presentation. I appreciate the truthfulness of the video. Earned my subscription
I like the message stated my St. Change Name at 6:20
Yeh.
St. Name Change.
My favourite saint
The 'holy trinity' may well be a coded political message.
Begin with the concept of primogeniture, where the eldest son inherits the entire estate when his father dies.
Project this to rules of royal succession: The current king is legitimate because he is the first born son of the 'holy ghost', or what is now the ghost of the previous king. The current king's first born son is the legitimate heir to the throne, thus 'the father, the son, and the holy ghost'. Since royal successions were often messy, this was coded in religious terms. A lot of people that 'never understood' the religious doctrine might have assimilated the intended secular meaning without even realizing it.
Wonderful explanation. Many people completely overlooked the fact, that the Bible was written by men, thinking it's a book it fell out of the sky. I was raised a Christian, however I wasn't brainswashed i loved to investigate and I love history. Reading the origins of Christianity made me realize that's it's nothing but words to control the masses
Btp hwat
The first council picking what books are in the Bible was the 382 Council of Rome. Then the 393 Synod of Hippo, 397 Council of Carthage, 1445 Encyclical Council of Florence and then the 1563 Council of Trent. Each one had the same books in them and included the Deuterocanonical books.
So far as I know, only Orthodoxy follows the agreed upon conclusions of the 7 councils. Every other body either ignores (see all protestants) or adds (hello, Rome!) what suits them personally.
@@GopnikVlad The Orthodox do not have the authority to call an Ecumenical Council. They need the pope or an emperor crowned by the pope. That’s why we have more councils, because we have someone with the authority to call one.
and this is based on...?@@paulmualdeave5063
and this is based on...?@@paulmualdeave5063
@@paulmualdeave5063 based on?
It's interesting that all these Videos about this topic never says anything about what The Creator of all thing says. When everyone realizes that The Creator has no problem letting his creation know exactly what he wants. Man only adds confusion and division. This video was great showing how even then man's perception of Christ caused death, division and confusion back then and it hasn't changed to this day.
One of the most topics I believe is missed was they didn't know where to place their capital of the faith. Emperor Hadrian having hated Jews so much had their cities and history erased. Constantine's mother was dispatched to find Jerusalem and the place of the true cross. At the time "Jerusalem" was a village, home to Asiatic Jewish tribes. Coincidently the area was found to be a holy site and became a power base for Constantine in the most ideal location. What if it wasn't the true Jerusalem though?
Asiatic Jewish tribes whats that?How did do they find archaeological sites mentioned in the Bible if no one knows where Jerusalem really is?
"Wiccan business" I wish people knew a lot of us pagans dont identify with the wiccan faith
Dude, right!!!!! Most don't!! It's so annoying when people ask if I'm Wiccan!
@@cutebutsadisticable Why have any religion?
@@theeclectic2919 why not?
@@cutebutsadisticable Religion is just humanity's first attempt at controlling people. It's more primitive than organized government, but it still works (unfortunately.)
@@theeclectic2919 blech talk about crude over generalizations. The truth is what you're asking is tantamount to saying "why have any culture?" Since Religion is a function of Culture whereby the collectives of a society venerate the ideals and model of reality that motivate them unto certain ends. Religion is an important function of anthropic reality. Liminality and social psychology all find their drives originated within culture and religion.
That Howdy Dowdy statue is pure nightmare fuel.
This is where they officially instituted the absolutely false trinity doctrine and threw the church into the dark ages.
Wow, unsubstantiated charges of anti-Semitism. You win the cliche award.
😂
Had the same thought like u not gonna source this claim
I figured it was more because "we don't want to share a holy day with your religion. We want our own!"
I still don't know what a Semite is? Or who the Semitic people are?
It's frigging confusing. They can't all be Jewish.
Council of Laodicea
Canon 29
Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.
The confusion in religion reflects the different cultures in a quest for control.
😇1st for 15.1.4!
That doesn't make God and his Son Jesus untrue, it means there are STILL men wanting control over them.
HoneySpoon BeeWrangler I think the gnostics had the best interpretation..... but you can't command people to kill for Gnosticism....
I am speaking of the official definition of Mary Sue.
It is more alien to the human condition than any extraterrestrial
Thank you
Are they starting to show their face now?
They needed the State to enforce religion when they started to loose control.
The inverse is true today.
how was the roman emperor loosing control?
@@Maximos384 The enemy from within. Another parallel.
When Jesus had been baptized, he immediately rose from the water and a voice was heard from the heavens, which said: "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. " Who is who? God speaks from heaven to God standing on the ground? Mikael Lyngvig.
One of many great points but unfortunately not enough for the blind to see and the deaf to hear. Hearing they hear not, seeing they see not. JC pbuh
Isaiah 9:6, Jesus is God
How is it possible that so many people doesn't even put questions about the quality of the Bible ?? Do you guys know from what books was the Bible written? It was written from copies of another copies and again from another copies...... Do you really believe the authenticity of those copies ?? Are we sure that nothing's been changed?? It is written in about 800-900 years, so many different authors, so many contradictions in the Bible .... Don't you guys see all this ?? For me personally I think that the most of people think that someone will forgive them at some point , but the truth is that unfortunately other .... At least try to read other gospel about Jesus and his teachings, not just the Bible . Maybe you will get also what Jesus teachings are about.... He's teaching about the mind .... About how to change ur mindset.... Anyway the opinions are all different so.... I wish you all good luck ❤
What’s with all the face reveal’s lately?
Here's a question: Where is it exactly that protestant churches claim their line of authority? The only way the original apostles had the ability to run the church after Jesus was by their own authority. According to Catholicism, they have an unbroken line from Peter on. How do protestant faiths that sprouted from the protestant reformation claim their authority? Where does it come from?
Chatolics is a mixed between roman sun worshipper pagan & christiamity. The whole point of the council is to remove jews & teaching as founding fathers and replaced with Roman culture & tradition of paganism. Just like you worship at sunday & celebrate sun gods birthday at 25th december.
......the Word of God.
Thumbs down for the annoying background music.
Complaints like this are of a lazy unfocused simpleton.
Complaints like this are of a lazy unfocused simpleton.
Did Arian write about the events of this council? His take on how if unfolded will be interesting
He did state that Consantine ordered all his writings burned. And anyone caught with his writings would be put to death.
They burned it all and killed anyone hiding them. Sounds like a spirit we should follow. 🤔
We don't really have much about Arius. Rather, we have what his enemies were saying about him. Those who held different views were violently persecuted. Having said that, many still held to the views of Arius which were not only popular but seen by many to be closer to the orginal views of the first believers. Even Constantine later held Arian views. It was all Greek philosophy and politics. Very far removed from the teachings of Jesus and his first Jewish disciples.
@@gerryquinn5578 Arians used more Greek Philosophy than the Niceans did. They are much more far removed than the Niceans. Arianism is a Neo-Platonic doctrine.
@@Maximos384 : As I said, it was very much Greek philosophy and politics. However, surely you must also agree that the doctrine that eventually emerged as the Trinity is also heavily derived from platonism.
"Bring me everyone" got me!
I love your videos however the music is distracting to me.
This is so ridiculous and shows that men have long altered words to suit their own agendas, similar to what we're seeing with the word woman being redefined. The word begotten literally means made. Son literally means heir. Christ always made it clear that He was a created being throughout His time on Earth, so Arius was correct. These so-called bishops will be judged harshly for their conspiracy with the pagan king.
Thank you. The Christians here who are agreeing with him are only doing so because he's not telling it like it should be told. He's rewording things to the liking of Christians without calling a spade a spade
as a muslim I'm finding lots of similarities with arius ideas, we also believe Jesus was miraculously born without father and had the ability, with Gods permission to do miracles and spread his word, but hes still one of his creation, and is and will never be equal to the creator
@@aeman2080 Muslims do not believe Jesus is the Savior/Messiah/Christ/Annointed One of the Father. They do not believe he is God's only begotten Son or the King of all Kings. They do not believe we can be spiritually reborn as Christ was through the Holy Spirit. They only believe him to be a mere human prophet when he is the Divine Lord and sole Mediator between humanity and God, currently standing at the right hand of the throne of God- awaiting the day when he will return to exact vengeance and judge us all.
I don't know. The Nicene Creed seems questionable; it doesn't make sense.
There’s a lot in there. Personally I like it. What parts give you pause?
Great presentation without subjective opinions
Did both creeds always have the words: The Holy Catholic Church? When was the Catholic Church formed and by whom?
Catholic just mean universal.
The Catholic Church had its beginning with Constantine at the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D.. Constantine was still an Pagan Sun - worshipping guy who even murdered members of his own family to maintain his power. Constantine was never a True Christian but a false one.
What a missed opportunity this video is showing an incomplete picture. Constantine is the main reason Jesus is considered divine today. When voting on the issue of divinity or any new dogma for that matter, the bishops maintained that the only way they knew the Holy Spirit was speaking through them was to come to a unanimous decision. Well when it came to whether Jesus was just a human or more, there were a handful of bishops that would not budge and refused to vote for divinity. So Constantine, eager to consolidate his power in the waning days of the Sol Invictus cult and nearing the end to his own life, decided to basically rig the vote by throwing out the votes of the dissenting bishops and whammo, you suddenly have a unanimous vote to call Jesus divine. Soooo yeah, all that death....based on a rigged vote. I'm sensing a repeating pattern here...
Also the formula for finding the date of Easter in any given year is this: Easter falls on the first Sunday after the first full moon following the spring equinox.
Paul wrote his letters about three hundred years before this council and always affirmed that if Jesus wasn’t devine then all christianity would be in vain. He and the rest of the New Testament writers affirm His divinity. But even in the Old Testament like the prophet Isaiah (7:14) writes that Jesus would be Emmanuel, God among us. But then again you’ll believe what ever you want to believe. Peace!
@@atgred yes I know all the refutations. I learned what I learned in seminary actually.
@@fluidikons How did you learn that from seminary? We have early church writings from Irenaues and Justin Martyr that affirm Jesus’ divinity. That’s the first thing they would have taught you at seminary
"Constantine is the main reason Jesus is considered divine today." That is not true. The council was called precisely to address this 'new shoot' of Arian's teaching that was not what had been passed down and taught. The Church, as a whole, absolutely and already believed in the divinity of Christ.
Jesus Christ was always seen as divine, even as a created being. No one says angels aren't divine despite being God's creation, so why would His only begotten Son not be seen as divine?
Ready to kill over some detail of their shared fantasy. You know if I truly thought that Jesus was god on earth and had existed for ever, I would pay more attention to what he actually said.
There is plenty of proof that Jesus is the Son of God. Open your mind and heart to that fact. Read the first 5 book of the NT and ask yourself two very simple questions: 1. What changed to cowards who deserted Jesus on the night before He died? 2. If Jesus had NOT risen from the dead and the Apostles KNEW he had NOT, why would they be willing to die for a lie?
@@karlbrady5453 most importantly..., Jesus is not a matter of fact, but a matter of faith. 'you are saved by grace through FAITH. ' and FAITH is the substance of things HOPED FOR.., the evidence of things NOT SEEN.' The mystery of Christ can only appreciated through FAITH. there is no proof, there are no facts; neither are such things required. this obsession with facts is a product of modernism. So Jesus asks in Luke 18:8 'when the son of man comes, will he find faith on earth?' FAITH, and faith alone is the pathway to a mystery that transcends facts....,
I wonder how bishops could be defending the orhtodox view when the doctrine of the Trinity as we now have it was not formulated until after Nicea. The personhood of the Holy Spirit and the realtionship to God was not discussed.
History is written by the winners.
Super interesting
Here's everything we know to be true about the Council: Constantine was Emperor of Rome.
He was also a pagan and wanted to find a way to join Christians (Jesus followers) and paganism so that there would be less strife. He became a Christian to meld the two together. Thus we have the so called Christian religions that are all over the world and none of them agree on anything.
@@Sumermak No, Constantine wasn't wanting to "find" a way to join Christians. He was Emperor: he could do what he wanted, without regard for anyone else's feelings on the matter. He became a Christian because of a genuine mystical experience.
The vast majority of Christianity follows some version of the Nicene Creed, thereby they are in agreement on the foundations of the faith.
@@cowboyofscience7611 he was the biggest heretic and he started the so called catholic religion by calling himself the first pope! He’s the reason there are so many schisms in Christianity today. He didn’t bring people together under Christ, he divided them from the true teachings of Jesus. Funny how he didn’t get “baptized” until he was on his death bed. Makes ya wonder why? Or should Atleast
@@Sumermak Ok. Seems like you have an agenda to smear Constantine and all that came after...
Just remember, had it not been for him, there would be no Christianity now!
@@cowboyofscience7611 not an agenda. Just speaking truth.
They also changed the Bible sabbath to the pagan papal Sunday sabbath.
True Sabbaths correlate with the four quarterly moon phases.
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No such thing as asunday or saturday sabbath. Neither is biblical. God defined his sabbath as a moedim in Leviticus 23:1-3. Psalm 104:19 commands that the moon appoint the sabbath
How do you know this,?
Research
Surprisingly well researched video.
You only resort to violence when your argument is wrong, which in this case it is.
How come the other 2 Abrahamic religion view Jesus as a human being while only Christian believe he's a God. Clearly he was born by natural course from Mary and how is this natural birth misinterpreted as the birth of son of God?
It’s just easier to live a life of disobedience and debauchery and have someone else expunge all you sins. It’s called having a scape goat
If you weren't there how do you, REALLY know??
“ NAILING THIS ONE DOWN”?
First religion that needed (rather than a spiritual master/leader)... a conference of academics to formulate its god & core beliefs 🤣🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Where do you see that 🤦🏾♂️
The Council of Nicaea was where the church went into apostasy and has been there ever since.
Interesting take, are you by chance unitarian?
Very hot and original take my dude
Facts bro:( I pray for my Christian brothers and sisters, sending prayers to ya'll
It is literally impossible for Jesus’ church to commit apostasy. Apostasy is to be separate from the church.
@@bourbonrebel5515Which church? Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Baptist, Episcopalian, Pentecostal, Seventh Day Adventists or Jehovah's Witnesses? How is it possible for the Church not to commit apostasy? Some of these churches differ widely & are apostate! 🙃
I don't know how you can read the scripture and not notice all the times Jesus clearly states that he acts on behalf of the father, derives his power from the father, prays to the father, doesn't speak of his own accord, etc. and not think that Jesus is subordinate to the father. Weigh that against all the times he says he is equal to the father (none, absolutely zero).
Not to mention all the times both Jews and Christians are warned there is one God. Read Isaiah, or Matthew where Jesus states the Shemah is the number onemost important lesson. "Hear o Israel, the Lord is God, the Lord is one..."
Yeah. I just wonder how on earth I could understand anything of this without e-guitar and percussion as bgm.
A gathering of people with different ideas and opinions on Jesus and God without Jesus or God bothering to actually get involved.
No angels, visions, or dreams eithee
I thought that they threw the books of the Bible up in the air, and only the ones that floated were used in the Bible.
There seems to be very little real proof of most of the things to do with religion, no matter what type of religion you want to look into to.
That's where faith comes in.
There was no discussion of the books in the Bible at the council of Nicea.
1:06 Jordan Peterson?
Very good info. But next time without music plse.
I wish there were a religion based on inclusion and not division...
If there was, it would no longer be a religion.
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Exactly! When I die, the last thing I would want to look forward to is going to a giant country club in the sky where everyone is the same! I know that's obviously what a LOT of people want, but it chills me to the bone...
Don't worry, there's another special place for people like you.
Islam is the only religion of truth. God promised to protest the holy Koran from any corruption. And here we are 1400 years later with people converting to Islam in droves just like the Koran said they would.
Why have the distracting hard rock playing during this video?! Informative videos bring us to learn about a topic not fight to listen and understand what the speaker is saying.
Thats what you're focusing on?
Yeah, hard to hear him through it
I can't get past the background noise distraction.
The fact that the church thought that the Son could not be a creation of God due to John Chapter 1v1 is totally unreasonable. The word (or Son) was in the beginning. The beginning of what? God is eternal and had no beginning. The book of Revelation, written by the same apostle John in chapter 3 and verse 14 tells us that the Son (Identified as then faithful and true witness) was the beginning of creation BY God. So, the beginning mentioned in John 1;1 is the beginning of creation. The son is quite obviously the firstborn (brought forth, created) of all creation. The first thing made by the Father. Everything makes sense in the koine Greek when we realize that the Son is created. Divine yes, but created.
lost me at "because of anti-Semitism" it's always that to those who see you as a victim
So is John 8:32-44, Romans 3:1-18, Revelations 2:9 and 3:9 are "anti-Semitic" to? So, God is anti-Semitic or is He anti-Satan?
@@grandmasterciphersupreme7751one of the same.....jk lol
The worst thing about me watching this is that TH-cam's algorithm will now suggest a loaf of evangelical Christian anti-science bollocks to me for the remainder of my life
10:15 Need proof for the claim that Christians were forbidden and persecuted in a targeted and wide spread way by the Roman Empire, which seems to be the insinuation. Yes I am aware of the Wikipedia article on the topic of Christian persecution, but the time period in question there cited sporadic and localized incidents, such as Nero. But the claim that all Christians were forbidden and persecuted sustaining over many years and systematically by the Roman empire before Constantine is a dubious one.
"But the claim that all Christians were forbidden and persecuted sustaining over many years and systematically by the Roman empire before Constantine is a dubious one."
Strawman
Seriously what’s with the music? Distracting
The missing part is the woman. The mother. If there is a father and a son, there is a mother. No mystery there. Lol
The Mother is Wisdom.
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The Mother is the Holy Spirit, also known as Lady Wisdom from Proverbs. Trinitarians hid this when they translated the text, but the clues are still there if you read closely enough.
@@thoughtsonholiness Wisdom is the Son of God
@Maximos384 Wisdom is literally female. Proverbs, Wisdom of Solomon, Baruch, Sirach/Ecclesiaticus, Enoch, etc. all ascribe female pronouns and characteristics to Her. Christ, the Son of God, also says She is justified by Her children in Matthew & Luke.
The last time I checked, Christ wasn't female or a mother- especially not his own.
@@thoughtsonholiness Feminity is receiving love. The Son is feminine in relation to the Father. To the Church the Son is masculine. You are feminine in relation to you're parents even if you're male.
A universal God who created the universe and everything else in only six days but it took 'Him' forty days and forty nights to write 10 laws on two stone tablets and another man had to be there with 'Him' and fasted forty days and forty nights all along as well, and then 'He' took some four thousand years or so to write a book for humans to compiled, edited, translated, debated, and argued continually till nowadays with no solution, how impressive?
exactly and it still no resolution it just doesnt make sense just further division amongst men
why the uneccessary rock music . Very annoying.
St. Athanasius never became an Arian.
Very interesting that the Creator of everything with all the omni powers needs men to write, define, debate, and decide who 'He' is.
For those who believe in dreams or visions and the spirit world, I have something to share with you to think about.
When I was in my late teens, I had a few vivid dreams that the spirits were so desperate to have or at least to experience the power of having a physical body. To the spirits, their dreams were to be able to be in a body someday even more so than the believers want to be in 'Heaven.' They were willing to trade their whole 'life' to have a physical body even just a for few seconds. They envied human beings and held human beings so high as their Gods.
This is pretty similar to the idea of evil spirits that the church teaches. these spirits do indeed want to stay in a physical body so when Jesus was casting out the legion of demons from the man in Gennesaret they preferred to be sent into the pigs bodies instead of being forced to leave the man and not have a physical body anymore.
They were prevented by God on taking human form. He removed their ability to materialize in human bodies much like the Angels of the Old Testament did.
christ is a great prophet nothing more
agreed , no disrispect to christians but trinity does not make any sense. same thing with the reasons of the crucifixion of jesus
@aeman2080 I would like to dedicate the time to explain whatever does not make sense if you allow me to. No options, only scripture.
You are not mentioning the worship of Serapis
when he said "of the same substance with the Fahter" and contiues to say that Jesus and the Father were 'made' of the same substance, I would like to clarify that neither the Father or the Son were made in the sense of being created, God is the Creator. Only the humanity of Chirst was made. I'm really not trying to be a know-it-all, just trying to spead accurate knowledge :)
Lord, Have Mercy on us. 🙏🏾 Why is this even an argument?? Did our Lord Jesus Himself not subordinate Himself to the Father? God? What an incredibly pointless argument! 😳
Can know with how often the bible has been changed
@@SgtD85 The Bible has never been changed any words you don't understand is explained by other verses of the Bible. That's why it's such an amazing example that GOD is real. If you have any questions I'll show the Bible verse that will answer your question
@@anonymouszero9422 If you look at the Old Testament in the King James, you will find the word “slave” once. But the Hebrew word appears 800 times in the noun, and nearly 300 in the verb. There is a word in the Old Testament for “slave” that appears eleven hundred times, but in your English Bible it’s translated “slave” once. If you go to the New Testament, you will find the Greek word for “slave” about 150 times in all its forms. And you will find it actually translated “slave” only a few of those 150 times.
The New Testament translators only translate the Greek word for slave, “slave,” when it’s referring to an actual physical slave, or when it’s referring to an inanimate object, like “slaves of sin” or “slaves of righteousness.” So there is this concept of slavery in the Scripture that has been completely hidden to the English reader. Now this was by design because the word “slave” is the most important, all-encompassing and clarifying word to describe a Christian used in the New Testament. And yet whenever a Christian is in view, it’s not translated “slave.”
The word is doulos. Have you heard that word? The word is doulos. In the Greek, that word means “slave,” never means anything but “slave.” It doesn’t mean “servant,” it doesn’t mean “worker,” it doesn’t mean “hired hand,” it doesn’t mean “helper.” There are six or seven Greek words that mean “servant” in some form. Doulos never means “servant.” A servant is someone hired to do something. The slave is someone owned. Big difference, huge difference, and yet all through the New Testament the word “slave” is masked by the word “servant,” or some form of the word “servant.” Truly a remarkable thing.
When I started doing the research on this word, I found 22 English translations of the New Testament, 22. There was only one of them. Of all the translations of the English New Testaments going back to the King James, up until today, there was only one of those 22 that translated doulos “slave” every single time, even though everyone knows it means slave and only slave. In fact, the most formidable of all Greek dictionaries, Kittel, says, “The word doulos means slave, the meaning is so unequivocal, no study of history is necessary.” It always means slave, and yet it’s not translated slave.
Recently, there have been a few new translations. Only one of them translates the word The Holman Christian Standard Bible “slave” every time. It’s called the Holman Christian Standard Bible. But up until that one, a few years ago there was only one, and that’s the Goodspeed translation. You ever heard of it? Edgar Goodspeed was a cutting-edge Greek scholar in the 1930s at the University of Chicago. But everybody knows what doulos means. Why don’t they translate doulos “slave”?
@@SgtD85 You don't need all this explanation sir. I just speak to GOD every moment of my life. He explains everything to me, very clear. If you love GOD and believe in him he speaks very clearly. I understand the Bible easily
@@anonymouszero9422 then why are you avoiding?
Just be honest. The liars of Nicaea promoted the man into a fake deity.
There was general acceptance of the divinity of Christ before the council of Nicea
@@ladydustin7811 I doubt that highly. People at that time still used common sense and the belief of ONE GOD.
So you’re not a Christian. Move on
@@zohraabbiss2738 Assertion
The pre-Roman Celtic Church of Britain and Ireland refused to accept the edicts passed at the Council of Nicea even some 300 years after it. They took their Sabbath-keeping practice from the Quartodeciman ("14th") churches founded by the Apostle John across Asia Minor.
This changed at the Synod of Whitby in 664 when King Oswy of Northumbria, England, was swayed by the clever arguments of wily Roman clerics to accept the new Roman "Easter" named after the pagan goddess Eostre/Eastre in place of remembering the Lord's death (as He instructed) on the Biblical date (not day of the week) of Passover on Nisan 14.
The British Church turned Roman from this point with the so-called "Protestants" keeping Roman observances, such as the Mass of Christ ("Christ-Mass"), fasting on "Lent," and other such man-made traditions (which Yeshua warned make the Word of God of none-effect), and they have been keeping the Romish days without question ever since.
Troublemakers are the the truth seekers.