I cannot wait to see the grandeur of the Star Forge and the Rakatans in the KOTOR Remake - It's quite possibly what I'm most excited about! What about you? Let me know below!
I hope that The Star Forge isn’t just some 15-30 minute event and is a lasting and epic Final Event in KOTOR 1. Part of me wants it to be like The Collector Base from Mass Effect where your Entire Party has an effect to the Mission.
Again, I'm both excited and fearful... and more of the latter with the Tales of the Jedi announcement you actually called a short while back. They better not maul it in unfaithful recreations.
"The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force." Darth Vader from A New Hope. The Star Forge and Darth Nihilus' Hunger are two of my favorite examples of that line.
Except Vader's statement does not refer to any of that shit, but to the fact that, through the Force, even the seemingly invincible technological terror could be destroyed. Lucas never intended for the Force - not even the Dark Side - to replicate the terrors of the Death Star. He intended for the Force - and yes, even the Dark Side - to be different. More subtle. More powerful, not because it could smash planets or create fleets, but because it could influence all events in manners normal people could not wholly understand. This stupid battle of one-upmanship that the old EU established is to the detriment to the philosophical place the Force was always meant to have in the history. Nihilus and Revan and the Star Forge use just the rule of cool to force themselves into Star Wars continuity, but doing so fundamentally breaks the movies' narrative, and makes us wonder why Palpatine didn't just become the Death Star himself. It's asinine, and it makes Star Wars smaller and way less interesting.
@@Kyro91 Yes, I am the minority that isn't bedazzled by Dragon Ball in Star Wars. It's my lot in life, to roll my eyes at the stupid shit that cheapen the movies and their actual profound displays of how the Force affects shit
@@moscanaveiaThen why are you commenting under a video called "How the Star Forge SURVIVED its Destruction"? Which is clearly an Expanded Universe piece of lore. If you don't like the lore that deepens the Force, then stay at the movies and don't come commenting under an EU lore video. I hate Disney Canon, but do you see me going under a video about Starkiller Base and spitting on it in the comment section? No, because if I don't like something, I will not watch a video detailing that exact thing and shit on it in the comment section. Unlike you.
This is my personal theory: When Revan saw that the Star Forgr was able to create life, he realized that a portion of the light side persisted even in all of that darkness - as the Dark Side does not create, it only corrupts. So I think Revan had a long-term goal of ‘balancing’ the Star Forge, or creating a new Star Forge that was perfectly balanced with the Force - that could create planets, weapons, resources all that without worrying about the Forge’s corruptive nature.
I like to think the the First Order and/or Sidious found another Star Forge at Exegol and that’s how they built up an armada so quickly. I remember sitting in the theater during Rise of Skywalker and getting pretty excited thinking they were going to tie in the Star Forge and then feeling really disappointed when they were like “oh they’ve just been building them in secret forever”.
I was convinced that Luke had gone to Lehon before the release of TLJ. Starkiller Base looked to use very similar technology as the star forge to power up. I thought that maybe Luke was going to find evidence of the technology there and find some means to repurpose it. Your thoughts on Exegol being star forge tech supplements my head canon nicely.
No, that's just bad and lazy writing that defies internal (science) cohesion of lore. Like a star ship being under an ocean unnecessarily, yes it looked visually impressive but makes no sense. (JJ.Star Trek) The Holdo Manoeuvre breaks lore. Force teleportation breaks lore. Sidious Fleet breaks lore. One ship required thousands of personnel to man stations for ship functions. His fleet would have needed Coruscant emptying. Also no aliens as empire xenophobia, so all humans. So looking at recent lockdown how long will people stay restricted without objection or resistance? Yet hundreds of thousands of personnel stayed on ships on a planet locked in place for how long? Also Sw, doesn't have ST replicators, so how do you feed the people? Ergo really lazy nonsense writing.
@@The-Mstr-Pook The Mon Calamari had constructed some (if not most) of their ships underwater. The Holdo Maneuver didn’t exactly break lore. Look at ANH when Han was making calculations lest they hit a planet or something. Besides they even say that that was “one in a million” with SEVERAL factors leading to its success, a success that’s rarely replicated. Luke was able to project himself from Byss in Dark Empire. Sidious had a similar fleet during Dark Empire (with only one, if not two, Eclipse Super Star Destroyer that has super lasers attached) along with World Devastators and the Galaxy Gun. They’re filled with fanatics of the Sith. They don’t exactly care how long they’re on the ship, just knowing that they would soon spread darkness to the Galaxy under Sith rule is motivation enough for them. Saner people (or more freedom based individuals) would’ve despised that. Plus, throughout Star Wars’ history as a franchise, we have seen things that were never part of existing lore; lore being retconed by official works (aka films); and being updated with additional lore regardless of continuity. Prior to Darth Maul and Exar Kun, there wasn’t any saberstaffs, yet it became a popular addition. Prior to the Prequels, the Clone Wars was ENTIRELY different (like the clones were initially the enemies of the Republic or something like that). Before they were numerous or most notably found on Ilum, the Kyber Crystal was once a rare artifact found only on Mimban from Splinter’s of the Mind’s Eye. And cloning Galen Marek for the Force Unleashed II wouldn’t have been possible were it not from previous lore that was built upon the Thrawn trilogy and Dark Empire (prior to them it would’ve been deemed impossible and lore breaking in of itself). Obi-Wan even referred to Yoda as the Jedi Master that trained him, yet in TPM we have Qui-Gon Jinn as Kenobi’s master (and by extension AOTC that showed Yoda training Younglings with Dooku being his “old Padawan”). And Leia said that she remembered her mother when she was barely born, that didn’t break existing lore? So essentially speaking, we have seen lore being changed and updated over time. The Sequels may ostensibly have “broke lore”, but let’s admit to ourselves that 1. The ST was FAR from the only thing that “broke lore” 2. It’s set in a different continuity, which basically means that there’s different set of lore for that continuity to go off of, retconed, or added to it. For instance, instead of using red synthetic crystals, dark siders used “bleeding” method to make their lightsabers red.
It's interesting, in the Bane Trilogy when Bane is flying to Lehon Prime he notices a ring around the world that seems to be made of the scrap metal of the battle for the Star Forge. I have always thought that the Forge was close to being fully reformed at that point, and by the time of the Empire it probably would've been capable of constructing a fleet. The Star Forge is probably the most powerful superweapon in the Str Wars universe, and by far the most terrifying; I think the only superwepon that might rival it would be Centerpoint Station, command over gravity is a pretty serious power to have.
@@Kyzen_Wrell The range (and power) could be extented if you use the five ancient facilities on the different planets of the Corellian System to power up Centerpoint. By doing so the station could use the gravitation energy of the whole system. There wouldn't be a single point in the whole galaxy that Centerpoint couldn't reach. Too bad the good guys have a fetish for destroying super weapons. :-( Anakin Solo could have ended the whole Yuzzhan Vong war on his own, if he had had the willpower to use the station's power.
The Star Forge is my favourite superweapon in Star Wars just because of how versatile it was. It would never have the sheer destructive capability of something like the Death Star, or Starkiller Base. But it could quickly create a fleet so massive it was able to wear down the Republic to the point where they had to destroy it to win, because they were never going to win the war conventionally.
my favorite weapon was the mass shadow generator but the fact that the starforge is self sustaining and can rebuild itself is way more cool than crushing a planet with gravity.
So the Star Forge is less of a factory and more of a energy to matter converter. E = mc2. Energy and matter are one in the same. A star produces a stupid amount of energy throughout its life, so it's perfect. Although the part about a small fingernail sized piece producing all that seems kinda weird to me.
I always thought it was some kind of force enhanced stellar lifting platform. We think of stars as huge balls of mostly pure hydrogen and helium but they have just as much metal as the rest of their accompanying solar system. With the force the forge could lift specific metals out of the host star and convert them in everything else it can create.
@@coltonalbright7544 what if the star forge only partly uses energy to create mass, but in its true nature it consumed midichlorians, essentially not physical but metaphysical energy to create physical mass. This might mean, that a portion of the living force is forever bound to the material world therefore never rejoin with the cosmic force and therefore imbalancing the force in an irreversible way?
@@wahrerrosty5347 that would be very intriguing, I feel like there would've been more serious repercussions though. When the force was unbalanced it let the entire Jedi order get obliterated. How much do you think it would destroy to rebalance itself like that?
@@coltonalbright7544 The jedi Order did get destroyed at the Star forge's time aswell. It was slowly but inevitably weakened by 2 (3 if you also count in the Great Sith war) wars which both came almost completely unforseen. But on top of that, as the result of those wars the first jedi purge has begun and almost every single jedi was extinguished. Something similar did also happen to the Rakata many thousands of years earlier.
@@coltonalbright7544 also (SPOILER ALERT, readers do not read this if you have not played KOTOR 2) the rebalancing process of the force was Kreias motive in why she sought to create a Galaxy-wide wound. It would make sense if the metaphysical horrors, she has experienced, were an actual result of the Star forge's slow process of imbalancing.
With regard to the Star Forge, it rebuilding itself is easy to see as Rakatan technology regenerates, as seen with the Star Maps. Perhaps the Foundry and Star Forge are back to their complete status by the time of the Galactic Empire
With the remake in the works one thought I had is what if they approached The Star Forge mission (entering the Forge) like BioWare and The Collector Base where party members are utilized to affect the outcome of the mission. For example, send out teams for certain missions: - Mission and Juhani for Stealth Recon since both are known for Stealth. - HK & Canderous for Team Carnage Offensive - Jolee & Zalibar for Melee/Lightsaber battles - T3 in hacking into sectors of the Forge (one specific example would be the section of the game where it’s Revan vs Infinite Droids and have T3 be the one to shut that down while you fight an endless army). - Carth I’d figure would either go with you or guard the Ship (maybe Gun Blaster Minigame) so no one tries to destroy or take it.
I for one, would like a video detailing the life of the one and only Darth Vitiate. The one that caused the fall of Revan and Malak as well as the events of KOTOR.
An interesting story would if Jacen Solo had found it during the Yuuzhan Vong war and it's dark side aura was partially responsible for his fall to eventually become Darth Caedus.
You're not the only one who thought that. The First Order going after a map to another Star Forge, with Kylo successfully getting it, would help set him and the Empire 2.0 as an actual threat. Plus, Rey losing would give her justification to train under Luke and make her rematch(es) with Kylo more rewarding.
It's long established lore that all Ratakan technology is self-repairing at a molecular level. Given enough time, even the smallest surviving pieces will regrow back into their original form.
It was always my head canon that Palpatine had the Death Star designed and built as a reconstruction of, at least, the core of the Star Forge. And then added a giant lightsaber into it that 'poked' planets. After all, why build another after the first fell so quickly? Maybe the Death Star had an unseen ability to not only reduce a planet to rubble, but also consume those remains and build ships, armor, fighters, and battle droids. The Death Star was still at Alderaan when the Falcon arrived, did they just have nowhere to go yet, or was it beginning to consume the debris? Palaptine would probably find it ironic that rebel worlds would become the building blocks for an even larger Imperial war machine. Had a Death Star survived, I doubt the Vong wouldn't stood a chance against the exponential growth of the fleet.
The original in universe design was an exploration vessel with two large spheres sticking out on long poles on either side. Your theory may hold water.
Just imagine if the Chiss Ascendancy found the partially built Star Forge in the unknown region. It could make for a great story but I doubt it will ever happen.
I feel the World Devastators were a spiritual successor to the Star Forge in a number of ways. Mobile factories that eat up material taken from the surfaces of planets, and then use them for manufacturing craft or upgrading themselves.
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Honestly part of me would love to see a story with a Jedi finding the Star Forge rebuilt and he uses it to wage war against the Empire only for Vader to end up destroying it, and having a bit of a conversation with Revan. Both for advice on how to destroy it. But also Revan explaining to him, that he can be redeemed.
Great video, but in regards to your opening line 'we all love a good super weapon', after seeing Disney rip off this concept twice I am burnt out on having stories in the star wars universe revolve around planet killing weapons or some something similar. Having said that KOTOR managed to tell a good story and had great character development unlike the Disney trilogy.
Yeah, I'd argue that Disney Wars' screwed the pooch by tossing out bootleg death stars 3 and 4. Planet busters are overdone. The Star Forge is interesting as a superweapon because it's more versatile, it's not a planet killer, but it can create weapons, ships, droids, all sorts of materiel you'd need to wage a war. All you need is the manpower to use it, and even that can be supplemented with the droids. It's a superweapon for a conqueror, not a destroyer, unlike most of the other superweapons in the series.
in regards to the Infinite Engine, i think the game actually provides good info about how Star Forge and its fragments work: "It feeds on the Force, on energy, on mass, on whatever you give it. And it creates. That is its nature." I love KOTOR and i loved Star Forge, but over time i did realize how dangerous it was, no point in having power of an Empire if youre not in control of your own mind. Hence why i eventually fell in love with Dark Empire and its World Devastators which worked the same, but without side effect of being corrupted, also ofc they were mobile unlike Star Forge and like Palpatine, one could have a fleet of them with World Devastators able to construct more World Devastators.
I think it’s a fantastic concept, and paired with the Rakatan return it would be a great means for a story! Love how it is basically a self licking ice-cream cone! 😁
Its rakatan and reconstructed itself like the rest of their tech. Wind taken out of sails. I never considered it destroyed, I knew better than that simply by paying attention.
Fascinating and insightful video my friend. Like everyone else I assumed that the Star Forge was completely destroyed by the Republic...so amazing to find out that some portions of it survived it's destruction. I also didn't know that Revan had saved a tiny portion of the Star Forge and that another alien race had used it. I think it would have been interesting if they had continued the Star Forge in a storyline set in the future...however it would have been disastrous if that technology had fallen into the hands of Palpatine and the Empire Again my friend I hope you don't mind me telling you occasionally how I'm doing in KOTOR 2 because it's really hard
Its lucky someone like Nihilus never got their hands on the Star Forge. Having that thing amplify their power would've been quite disturbing. Then again, Nihilus would only then become a slave to two things, his own hunger AND the Star Forge.
I don't think the Forge would have amplified Nihilus's power. Best Nihilus would have likely managed is to consume energy from it, and that's assuming the Forge didn't actively fight back; given the Dyson Sphere level of power at it's disposal and the fact that it's self-repairing and capable of Essence Transfer, I'm pretty sure it would have (heh) annihilated Nihilus. Nihilus provides nothing the Forge wants, so it'd have no reason to cooperate with him as it did for others.
There’s also the entire questline of manaan in SWTOR. The Revanites fusing bits of starforge tech to people to make a cyborg army and you actually go to lehon and fight a bunch of them, a bunch of Rakata, and eventually both the republic trooper and Sith Lord who are Revanites
I always find your opinion on SwTOR interesting, I’d love a big almost rant like video about your feelings of it. Maybe a video for pros and a video for cons about it
they still could brinb back the infinite engine, it would be interesting to have a movie about it, to imply that the old republic games happened, without directly referencing them, kinda like with the first hulk movie to the edward norton one, and then the MCU to the previous two hulk movies
I think it would’ve been so awesome for them to use the star forge to explain the first order in the sequel trilogy. It would explain how they were able to build thousands of new ships and troops so quickly. You could’ve tied it into the emperors return and even snoke. Snoke could’ve been the puppet Palpatine created to fuel the star forge with dark side energy. I think this would’ve been way more interesting than star killer base! Just a little fan theory I’ve had for a while, love the content!
I'd like to see the Star Forge in its ring form worked on Imperial Remnants ( Not the FO ) into a shipyard like Kuat Driveyards. Then merged with remains of the Death Star and another Dark Side creation - the Dark Reaper. I'd also imagine the Star Forge receiving resources gathered by the World Devastators
When I as light side revan (first play through) found out it was a darkside engine I had to destroy it because I knew it would start consuming people literally. Then this video comes around and now my fear is "when will it consume all?"
I think what possibly could have been the ultimate end of the Star Forge could have been the Death Stars 1 & 2. Like, that it'd survived all the wars throughout galactic history, multiple destruction attempts, yada yada, and that ultimately, its materials were used in the construction of the first Death Star, then salvaged for the construction of the second, where it was ultimately destroyed, never to rise again.
Imagine being the first to find the Star Forge, destroying the maps that led to it, and literally having a Force Powered factory to spew ships with impunity, no one able to find where your fleet is coming from.
It's my favourite too! It's powerful and intimidating, without being over the top like sTArkILleR bASe. Not to mention there's a nice mystery surrounding it.
When I was a kid playing Kotor 2, I thought Darth Nihilus was the living embodiment of the Star Forge, as I remembered Malak saying how it “feeds” on people. Edit: ALSO I THOUGHT JOLEE WAS FREAKING HYPERBOLE WHEN HE SAID THE PLANET WAS TAINTED. I THOUGHT HE JUST MEANT HOW FUCKED THE RAKATA WERE.
cool story, I'd like if the damaged starforge started eating the planet it orbited but how they made it is also cool. As for inclusion of the star forge in future content- well, I don't trust current SW writers aside of the teams responsible for Andor and Fallen Order. I'd rather not have it in the new content than see it's legacy disrespected with bad writing.
In SWTOR, if you believe in the 'Uprisings' missions in the game.There is one Mission where The Remnants of the Eternal Empire and of the Rakata were cooperating to build a Prototype Star-Fortress on Rakata Prime, Build with a mixture of Eternal Empire technology and with pieces of the Starforge in it. It was almost finished untill a brave band of Heroes (a team of up to 4 Players) stopped them and destroyed the Under-Construction StarFortress. And a mixture of Rakatan technology and Eternal Empire technology, that would be impossible to beat if it was fully operational.
The Uprising mission is called: 'Landing Party'. I'm trying to send a link. But i'm not sure why. But it doesnt post my Comments with the website link in them. I think maybe a connection issue on my end. EDIT: There is a Wiki of the Boss called Tassar, she discovered Rakata Prime and the technology used by the Infinite Empire. She wanted to use the technology to make her starfortress designs indestructable
@@100StarWars i think because of the Recent wave of Bots spamming links in Comments of videos in the last months, that youtube might've blocked links in comments for now.
If Rakata prime was a extremely powerful nexus if not the mozt powerful why didnt vader or sidious turn it into some sort of lack of a better term Cheyenne Mountain complex (where Norad is) because dont nexues ampify the power that is in tune with the force.
...What do you mean? It didn't survive, and even if Revan returned to the Dark Side and spared it, it would still be later abandoned and then get ruined come Darth Bane: Path of Destruction. Addendum: ...More TOR lore? [REDACTED], scrub it! Reality warpers, come with me, we have an... inexcusable galactic event we need to purge out of the prime Legends universe so to keep the place in tip-top shape.
The first order and final order could have been made from the second Star forge because it could be complete by the time of the fall of the Empire and it would make more sense how a massive fleet was made in a short time compared to with acolytes on Exogol and how the first order grew.
I am interested in how the release of KOTOR Remake effects not just the Star Forge but all of the KOTOR era storytelling in general. Already Disney has shown at least Reven is part of canon but perhaps KOTOR Remake will also be absorbed into Disney era canon. If so then one must wonder what about the others (KOTOR 2 - TOR), would they too be made canon or would Disney opt to go their own way and make a new continuity after KOTOR Remake? I do hope Disney makes KOTOR canon and maybe KOTOR 2. From there though make an all new KOTOR 3. One where the Exile and gang go following breadcrumbs past the edge of the galaxy looking for Revan. He had disappeared looking for an greater threat than the Sith we all know. They find out though that greater evil isn’t ancient sith but an alien species dead set on purifying the universe, an alien species who are outside of the force, an alien species who do not use technology but instead living creatures as weapons/ships/etc… that’s right boys and girls I am talking about the Yuuzhan Vong! Bring that species into Disney canon!
What are your thoughts about that upcoming TOTJ anime? I heard it gonna be a show like force of destiny and possibly has nothing to do with old republic. :(
Honestly I'd have loved that Palpatine had integrated some remains of the Star Forge into the Death Stars considering he was planning on having them be his counterbalance to the Force Backlash.
This is better than the super weapon used in the new movies and I feel this would've caught a lot of people's attention especially with the Alien agenda going around right now
What about the other Forges? Like the one that terraformed planets or the Founder? The latter I'm not completly convinced was 100% destroyed during the False Emperor Flash Point in SWTOR.
Do you have a vid explaining the mass shadow generator more clearly ? I’ve played the game over 10 times over the many years and still a little cloudy on it. Maybe need a replay and focus more on the details of it lol
i always thought that the disney trilogy should have revolved around the star forge. after years of dormancy after the rise of the new republic the first order just has this massive fleet, and a superweapon that can destroy multiple planets that feeds off of a star. almost like the star forge. all of this could have been explored and why snoke didnt call himself a sith, because he followed a different doctorine of the dark side that focuses on the star forge. yeah it wouldve been a rehash of kotor, but that could explain the reason why Kylo Ren fell to the dark side, the corruption caused by the star forge.
I'm still pissed we never got the true kotor story teased in kotor 2 ending, fuck the revan novel and what swtor did with those characters including revan
I cannot wait to see the grandeur of the Star Forge and the Rakatans in the KOTOR Remake - It's quite possibly what I'm most excited about! What about you? Let me know below!
I’m looking forward to the dramatic reveal that will surprise no one… except that one guy who lived under a rock for the last few decades lol
That would be awesome
Definitely . Future, cool
I hope that The Star Forge isn’t just some 15-30 minute event and is a lasting and epic Final Event in KOTOR 1. Part of me wants it to be like The Collector Base from Mass Effect where your Entire Party has an effect to the Mission.
Again, I'm both excited and fearful... and more of the latter with the Tales of the Jedi announcement you actually called a short while back. They better not maul it in unfaithful recreations.
I love that the Star forge is terrifying not because it’s a weapon of mass destruction but one of mass creation
You get both with the World Devastators.
*Looks at the massive size of all sith superweapons* I think that the Sith just like weapons of mass in general
@@minicle426 word devastators are definitely awesome!
Or a weapon of mass creation of items for destruction... and life!
Probably the most interesting concept for a "super weapon" in the Star Wars universe.
"The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force." Darth Vader from A New Hope. The Star Forge and Darth Nihilus' Hunger are two of my favorite examples of that line.
Except Vader's statement does not refer to any of that shit, but to the fact that, through the Force, even the seemingly invincible technological terror could be destroyed. Lucas never intended for the Force - not even the Dark Side - to replicate the terrors of the Death Star. He intended for the Force - and yes, even the Dark Side - to be different. More subtle. More powerful, not because it could smash planets or create fleets, but because it could influence all events in manners normal people could not wholly understand.
This stupid battle of one-upmanship that the old EU established is to the detriment to the philosophical place the Force was always meant to have in the history. Nihilus and Revan and the Star Forge use just the rule of cool to force themselves into Star Wars continuity, but doing so fundamentally breaks the movies' narrative, and makes us wonder why Palpatine didn't just become the Death Star himself. It's asinine, and it makes Star Wars smaller and way less interesting.
@@moscanaveia nope 👎
@@moscanaveia You are very much in the minority with that opinion.
@@Kyro91 Yes, I am the minority that isn't bedazzled by Dragon Ball in Star Wars. It's my lot in life, to roll my eyes at the stupid shit that cheapen the movies and their actual profound displays of how the Force affects shit
@@moscanaveiaThen why are you commenting under a video called "How the Star Forge SURVIVED its Destruction"? Which is clearly an Expanded Universe piece of lore. If you don't like the lore that deepens the Force, then stay at the movies and don't come commenting under an EU lore video. I hate Disney Canon, but do you see me going under a video about Starkiller Base and spitting on it in the comment section? No, because if I don't like something, I will not watch a video detailing that exact thing and shit on it in the comment section. Unlike you.
This is my personal theory:
When Revan saw that the Star Forgr was able to create life, he realized that a portion of the light side persisted even in all of that darkness - as the Dark Side does not create, it only corrupts. So I think Revan had a long-term goal of ‘balancing’ the Star Forge, or creating a new Star Forge that was perfectly balanced with the Force - that could create planets, weapons, resources all that without worrying about the Forge’s corruptive nature.
I like to think the the First Order and/or Sidious found another Star Forge at Exegol and that’s how they built up an armada so quickly. I remember sitting in the theater during Rise of Skywalker and getting pretty excited thinking they were going to tie in the Star Forge and then feeling really disappointed when they were like “oh they’ve just been building them in secret forever”.
I was convinced that Luke had gone to Lehon before the release of TLJ. Starkiller Base looked to use very similar technology as the star forge to power up. I thought that maybe Luke was going to find evidence of the technology there and find some means to repurpose it. Your thoughts on Exegol being star forge tech supplements my head canon nicely.
No, that's just bad and lazy writing that defies internal (science) cohesion of lore.
Like a star ship being under an ocean unnecessarily, yes it looked visually impressive but makes no sense. (JJ.Star Trek)
The Holdo Manoeuvre breaks lore.
Force teleportation breaks lore.
Sidious Fleet breaks lore.
One ship required thousands of personnel to man stations for ship functions. His fleet would have needed Coruscant emptying.
Also no aliens as empire xenophobia, so all humans.
So looking at recent lockdown how long will people stay restricted without objection or resistance?
Yet hundreds of thousands of personnel stayed on ships on a planet locked in place for how long?
Also Sw, doesn't have ST replicators, so how do you feed the people?
Ergo really lazy nonsense writing.
@@The-Mstr-Pook
The Mon Calamari had constructed some (if not most) of their ships underwater.
The Holdo Maneuver didn’t exactly break lore. Look at ANH when Han was making calculations lest they hit a planet or something. Besides they even say that that was “one in a million” with SEVERAL factors leading to its success, a success that’s rarely replicated.
Luke was able to project himself from Byss in Dark Empire.
Sidious had a similar fleet during Dark Empire (with only one, if not two, Eclipse Super Star Destroyer that has super lasers attached) along with World Devastators and the Galaxy Gun.
They’re filled with fanatics of the Sith. They don’t exactly care how long they’re on the ship, just knowing that they would soon spread darkness to the Galaxy under Sith rule is motivation enough for them. Saner people (or more freedom based individuals) would’ve despised that.
Plus, throughout Star Wars’ history as a franchise, we have seen things that were never part of existing lore; lore being retconed by official works (aka films); and being updated with additional lore regardless of continuity.
Prior to Darth Maul and Exar Kun, there wasn’t any saberstaffs, yet it became a popular addition.
Prior to the Prequels, the Clone Wars was ENTIRELY different (like the clones were initially the enemies of the Republic or something like that).
Before they were numerous or most notably found on Ilum, the Kyber Crystal was once a rare artifact found only on Mimban from Splinter’s of the Mind’s Eye.
And cloning Galen Marek for the Force Unleashed II wouldn’t have been possible were it not from previous lore that was built upon the Thrawn trilogy and Dark Empire (prior to them it would’ve been deemed impossible and lore breaking in of itself).
Obi-Wan even referred to Yoda as the Jedi Master that trained him, yet in TPM we have Qui-Gon Jinn as Kenobi’s master (and by extension AOTC that showed Yoda training Younglings with Dooku being his “old Padawan”).
And Leia said that she remembered her mother when she was barely born, that didn’t break existing lore?
So essentially speaking, we have seen lore being changed and updated over time. The Sequels may ostensibly have “broke lore”, but let’s admit to ourselves that
1. The ST was FAR from the only thing that “broke lore”
2. It’s set in a different continuity, which basically means that there’s different set of lore for that continuity to go off of, retconed, or added to it. For instance, instead of using red synthetic crystals, dark siders used “bleeding” method to make their lightsabers red.
That whole movie made no sense.
@@tweso1499 >Uses Dark Empire to justify Disney Wars
>shit justifies shit
It's like poetry, it rhymes.
It's interesting, in the Bane Trilogy when Bane is flying to Lehon Prime he notices a ring around the world that seems to be made of the scrap metal of the battle for the Star Forge. I have always thought that the Forge was close to being fully reformed at that point, and by the time of the Empire it probably would've been capable of constructing a fleet. The Star Forge is probably the most powerful superweapon in the Str Wars universe, and by far the most terrifying; I think the only superwepon that might rival it would be Centerpoint Station, command over gravity is a pretty serious power to have.
And the Galaxy Gun. Centerpoint Station is certainly powerful, but limited by its mobility and range.
The Sun Crusher. Could literally eat suns and destroy entire galaxies
@@Kyzen_Wrell The range (and power) could be extented if you use the five ancient facilities on the different planets of the Corellian System to power up Centerpoint. By doing so the station could use the gravitation energy of the whole system. There wouldn't be a single point in the whole galaxy that Centerpoint couldn't reach. Too bad the good guys have a fetish for destroying super weapons. :-( Anakin Solo could have ended the whole Yuzzhan Vong war on his own, if he had had the willpower to use the station's power.
Imagine if Starkiller base wasn’t Illum with a Superlaser attached to it but Lehon Prime with the Starforge growing on it like a Tumor…
The Star Forge is my favourite superweapon in Star Wars just because of how versatile it was. It would never have the sheer destructive capability of something like the Death Star, or Starkiller Base. But it could quickly create a fleet so massive it was able to wear down the Republic to the point where they had to destroy it to win, because they were never going to win the war conventionally.
my favorite weapon was the mass shadow generator but the fact that the starforge is self sustaining and can rebuild itself is way more cool than crushing a planet with gravity.
The Star Forge is my favorite superweapon in all Star Wars. I would’ve loved to see more of it in action.
So the Star Forge is less of a factory and more of a energy to matter converter. E = mc2. Energy and matter are one in the same. A star produces a stupid amount of energy throughout its life, so it's perfect. Although the part about a small fingernail sized piece producing all that seems kinda weird to me.
I always thought it was some kind of force enhanced stellar lifting platform. We think of stars as huge balls of mostly pure hydrogen and helium but they have just as much metal as the rest of their accompanying solar system. With the force the forge could lift specific metals out of the host star and convert them in everything else it can create.
@@coltonalbright7544 what if the star forge only partly uses energy to create mass, but in its true nature it consumed midichlorians, essentially not physical but metaphysical energy to create physical mass. This might mean, that a portion of the living force is forever bound to the material world therefore never rejoin with the cosmic force and therefore imbalancing the force in an irreversible way?
@@wahrerrosty5347 that would be very intriguing, I feel like there would've been more serious repercussions though. When the force was unbalanced it let the entire Jedi order get obliterated. How much do you think it would destroy to rebalance itself like that?
@@coltonalbright7544 The jedi Order did get destroyed at the Star forge's time aswell. It was slowly but inevitably weakened by 2 (3 if you also count in the Great Sith war) wars which both came almost completely unforseen.
But on top of that, as the result of those wars the first jedi purge has begun and almost every single jedi was extinguished.
Something similar did also happen to the Rakata many thousands of years earlier.
@@coltonalbright7544 also (SPOILER ALERT, readers do not read this if you have not played KOTOR 2) the rebalancing process of the force was Kreias motive in why she sought to create a Galaxy-wide wound. It would make sense if the metaphysical horrors, she has experienced, were an actual result of the Star forge's slow process of imbalancing.
"How to we blow it up? There's always a way to do that." - Oldman Solo
lmao
With regard to the Star Forge, it rebuilding itself is easy to see as Rakatan technology regenerates, as seen with the Star Maps.
Perhaps the Foundry and Star Forge are back to their complete status by the time of the Galactic Empire
With the remake in the works one thought I had is what if they approached The Star Forge mission (entering the Forge) like BioWare and The Collector Base where party members are utilized to affect the outcome of the mission.
For example, send out teams for certain missions:
- Mission and Juhani for Stealth Recon since both are known for Stealth.
- HK & Canderous for Team Carnage Offensive
- Jolee & Zalibar for Melee/Lightsaber battles
- T3 in hacking into sectors of the Forge (one specific example would be the section of the game where it’s Revan vs Infinite Droids and have T3 be the one to shut that down while you fight an endless army).
- Carth I’d figure would either go with you or guard the Ship (maybe Gun Blaster Minigame) so no one tries to destroy or take it.
Cool, the Star Forge should be a future movie or tv series.
I for one, would like a video detailing the life of the one and only Darth Vitiate. The one that caused the fall of Revan and Malak as well as the events of KOTOR.
An interesting story would if Jacen Solo had found it during the Yuuzhan Vong war and it's dark side aura was partially responsible for his fall to eventually become Darth Caedus.
Why is it that Vader's Grandsons seek to be a knockoff of him? :P
I always think that there was always more than one starforge, as if your a massive galactic empire you wouldn't put all your eggs in one basket
You're not the only one who thought that. The First Order going after a map to another Star Forge, with Kylo successfully getting it, would help set him and the Empire 2.0 as an actual threat. Plus, Rey losing would give her justification to train under Luke and make her rematch(es) with Kylo more rewarding.
@@johnnygyro2295 that's a much better plot than the sequels
It's long established lore that all Ratakan technology is self-repairing at a molecular level. Given enough time, even the smallest surviving pieces will regrow back into their original form.
The Star Forge was awesome! I wanted to see more!
It was always my head canon that Palpatine had the Death Star designed and built as a reconstruction of, at least, the core of the Star Forge. And then added a giant lightsaber into it that 'poked' planets. After all, why build another after the first fell so quickly? Maybe the Death Star had an unseen ability to not only reduce a planet to rubble, but also consume those remains and build ships, armor, fighters, and battle droids. The Death Star was still at Alderaan when the Falcon arrived, did they just have nowhere to go yet, or was it beginning to consume the debris? Palaptine would probably find it ironic that rebel worlds would become the building blocks for an even larger Imperial war machine. Had a Death Star survived, I doubt the Vong wouldn't stood a chance against the exponential growth of the fleet.
The original in universe design was an exploration vessel with two large spheres sticking out on long poles on either side. Your theory may hold water.
Just imagine if the Chiss Ascendancy found the partially built Star Forge in the unknown region. It could make for a great story but I doubt it will ever happen.
This could explain why HK-47 is so unique it was created as an extension of its will or instinct.
I feel the World Devastators were a spiritual successor to the Star Forge in a number of ways.
Mobile factories that eat up material taken from the surfaces of planets, and then use them for manufacturing craft or upgrading themselves.
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And you good sir!
Honestly part of me would love to see a story with a Jedi finding the Star Forge rebuilt and he uses it to wage war against the Empire only for Vader to end up destroying it, and having a bit of a conversation with Revan. Both for advice on how to destroy it. But also Revan explaining to him, that he can be redeemed.
Great video, but in regards to your opening line 'we all love a good super weapon', after seeing Disney rip off this concept twice I am burnt out on having stories in the star wars universe revolve around planet killing weapons or some something similar. Having said that KOTOR managed to tell a good story and had great character development unlike the Disney trilogy.
Yeah, I'd argue that Disney Wars' screwed the pooch by tossing out bootleg death stars 3 and 4. Planet busters are overdone.
The Star Forge is interesting as a superweapon because it's more versatile, it's not a planet killer, but it can create weapons, ships, droids, all sorts of materiel you'd need to wage a war. All you need is the manpower to use it, and even that can be supplemented with the droids.
It's a superweapon for a conqueror, not a destroyer, unlike most of the other superweapons in the series.
in regards to the Infinite Engine, i think the game actually provides good info about how Star Forge and its fragments work: "It feeds on the Force, on energy, on mass, on whatever you give it. And it creates. That is its nature." I love KOTOR and i loved Star Forge, but over time i did realize how dangerous it was, no point in having power of an Empire if youre not in control of your own mind. Hence why i eventually fell in love with Dark Empire and its World Devastators which worked the same, but without side effect of being corrupted, also ofc they were mobile unlike Star Forge and like Palpatine, one could have a fleet of them with World Devastators able to construct more World Devastators.
The Star Forge should have been explored more
Great video. I'm glad they haven't done anything in the future, YET. It puts them in a box for older era content.
I think it’s a fantastic concept, and paired with the Rakatan return it would be a great means for a story! Love how it is basically a self licking ice-cream cone! 😁
Nice analogy haha
Its rakatan and reconstructed itself like the rest of their tech.
Wind taken out of sails. I never considered it destroyed, I knew better than that simply by paying attention.
Fascinating and insightful video my friend. Like everyone else I assumed that the Star Forge was completely destroyed by the Republic...so amazing to find out that some portions of it survived it's destruction. I also didn't know that Revan had saved a tiny portion of the Star Forge and that another alien race had used it. I think it would have been interesting if they had continued the Star Forge in a storyline set in the future...however it would have been disastrous if that technology had fallen into the hands of Palpatine and the Empire
Again my friend I hope you don't mind me telling you occasionally how I'm doing in KOTOR 2 because it's really hard
Now make a video on how I survived!
I survived right?
🥴
No.
Maybe your jaw survived? Was made of metal after all hehe
No you did not.
@@DarkJediMaster18 😭
They might have used it in the sequels explaining how emperor made his fleet when returned. This could have been a good move.
yes it would ahve been interesting if they had a returning of it.
Its lucky someone like Nihilus never got their hands on the Star Forge. Having that thing amplify their power would've been quite disturbing. Then again, Nihilus would only then become a slave to two things, his own hunger AND the Star Forge.
I don't think the Forge would have amplified Nihilus's power. Best Nihilus would have likely managed is to consume energy from it, and that's assuming the Forge didn't actively fight back; given the Dyson Sphere level of power at it's disposal and the fact that it's self-repairing and capable of Essence Transfer, I'm pretty sure it would have (heh) annihilated Nihilus.
Nihilus provides nothing the Forge wants, so it'd have no reason to cooperate with him as it did for others.
I always imagined the Infinite Engine being put in storage like in Raiders of the Lost Ark.
There’s also the entire questline of manaan in SWTOR. The Revanites fusing bits of starforge tech to people to make a cyborg army and you actually go to lehon and fight a bunch of them, a bunch of Rakata, and eventually both the republic trooper and Sith Lord who are Revanites
The star forge would have been useful during the yuuzhan vong war.
Also i wonder if it will become canon again.
I always find your opinion on SwTOR interesting, I’d love a big almost rant like video about your feelings of it. Maybe a video for pros and a video for cons about it
Closest thing I have to that right now is my SWTOR ruined KOTOR 2 video haha
where is this ''Star Forge'' located now ? asking for a friend .
How did it make all the space craft and how does it work
they still could brinb back the infinite engine, it would be interesting to have a movie about it, to imply that the old republic games happened, without directly referencing them, kinda like with the first hulk movie to the edward norton one, and then the MCU to the previous two hulk movies
I think it would’ve been so awesome for them to use the star forge to explain the first order in the sequel trilogy. It would explain how they were able to build thousands of new ships and troops so quickly. You could’ve tied it into the emperors return and even snoke. Snoke could’ve been the puppet Palpatine created to fuel the star forge with dark side energy. I think this would’ve been way more interesting than star killer base! Just a little fan theory I’ve had for a while, love the content!
When the next Knights Old Republic comes back bring it back
I'd like to see the Star Forge in its ring form worked on Imperial Remnants ( Not the FO ) into a shipyard like Kuat Driveyards. Then merged with remains of the Death Star and another Dark Side creation - the Dark Reaper. I'd also imagine the Star Forge receiving resources gathered by the World Devastators
If you could just get rid of the Dark Side corruption aspect, the Star Forge really is the perfect weapon for any science fiction faction.
The piece of the Star forge you got on Nar Shadaa was used by Darth Arkous to create cybernetically enhanced soldiers
It's funny how you can obviously see in these ideas the roots of the Reapers for Mass Effect
Very cool!
When I as light side revan (first play through) found out it was a darkside engine I had to destroy it because I knew it would start consuming people literally. Then this video comes around and now my fear is "when will it consume all?"
Hahahaha
I think what possibly could have been the ultimate end of the Star Forge could have been the Death Stars 1 & 2. Like, that it'd survived all the wars throughout galactic history, multiple destruction attempts, yada yada, and that ultimately, its materials were used in the construction of the first Death Star, then salvaged for the construction of the second, where it was ultimately destroyed, never to rise again.
Is that actually Rakata Prime with the Star Forge around it? 3:00
Sadly not - just visually similar for the video
Imagine being the first to find the Star Forge, destroying the maps that led to it, and literally having a Force Powered factory to spew ships with impunity, no one able to find where your fleet is coming from.
0:01 Some of us a little too much... (looking at you JJ!).
lmao
Ooooohhhh... you did the light side ending. Yeah dark side ending you get bastia and the star forge kicks the heck out of the fleet.
Are you telling us that this huge ship was "Indoctrinating" people on board?
Where did i heared that. :D
Kotor did so much for me...
You're not alone there!
Such as?
It's my favourite too! It's powerful and intimidating, without being over the top like sTArkILleR bASe. Not to mention there's a nice mystery surrounding it.
When I was a kid playing Kotor 2, I thought Darth Nihilus was the living embodiment of the Star Forge, as I remembered Malak saying how it “feeds” on people.
Edit: ALSO I THOUGHT JOLEE WAS FREAKING HYPERBOLE WHEN HE SAID THE PLANET WAS TAINTED. I THOUGHT HE JUST MEANT HOW FUCKED THE RAKATA WERE.
Oh no, it was a very dark planet despite appearances!
cool story, I'd like if the damaged starforge started eating the planet it orbited but how they made it is also cool.
As for inclusion of the star forge in future content- well, I don't trust current SW writers aside of the teams responsible for Andor and Fallen Order. I'd rather not have it in the new content than see it's legacy disrespected with bad writing.
That would be an interesting turn of events!
The Star Forge must also have a terrific HR department, recruiting all these people necessary to man all the star ships churned out by the Forge.
Hahaha
In SWTOR, if you believe in the 'Uprisings' missions in the game.There is one Mission where The Remnants of the Eternal Empire and of the Rakata were cooperating to build a Prototype Star-Fortress on Rakata Prime, Build with a mixture of Eternal Empire technology and with pieces of the Starforge in it. It was almost finished untill a brave band of Heroes (a team of up to 4 Players) stopped them and destroyed the Under-Construction StarFortress.
And a mixture of Rakatan technology and Eternal Empire technology, that would be impossible to beat if it was fully operational.
Do you have a link to that? I've never heard of that one before.
The Uprising mission is called: 'Landing Party'. I'm trying to send a link. But i'm not sure why. But it doesnt post my Comments with the website link in them. I think maybe a connection issue on my end.
EDIT: There is a Wiki of the Boss called Tassar, she discovered Rakata Prime and the technology used by the Infinite Empire. She wanted to use the technology to make her starfortress designs indestructable
@@100StarWars i think because of the Recent wave of Bots spamming links in Comments of videos in the last months, that youtube might've blocked links in comments for now.
If Rakata prime was a extremely powerful nexus if not the mozt powerful why didnt vader or sidious turn it into some sort of lack of a better term Cheyenne Mountain complex (where Norad is) because dont nexues ampify the power that is in tune with the force.
Cheers. Well who doesn't love s good super weapon ?
Exactly ;)
If I could choose any "super weapon" in StarWars, it'd be the Starforge and the Galaxy Gun.
I was womdering how Malachor V looked before the destruction ?
Someone have any idea or maybe pictures?
Was just an agricutural world!
...What do you mean? It didn't survive, and even if Revan returned to the Dark Side and spared it, it would still be later abandoned and then get ruined come Darth Bane: Path of Destruction.
Addendum: ...More TOR lore? [REDACTED], scrub it! Reality warpers, come with me, we have an... inexcusable galactic event we need to purge out of the prime Legends universe so to keep the place in tip-top shape.
The first order and final order could have been made from the second Star forge because it could be complete by the time of the fall of the Empire and it would make more sense how a massive fleet was made in a short time compared to with acolytes on Exogol and how the first order grew.
Yeah missed opportunity
Disney star wars is poorly written
I'm wondering how would be if someone made light saber hilt from the star forge. Then made into light saber.
TRAINING IN YOUR UNDERWEAR?! Someones used the skip Taris mod.
I wonder, the machine born from the shard didn’t seem to be corrupting, perhaps the way in which it grew, away from the dark side rakata, changed it
I am interested in how the release of KOTOR Remake effects not just the Star Forge but all of the KOTOR era storytelling in general. Already Disney has shown at least Reven is part of canon but perhaps KOTOR Remake will also be absorbed into Disney era canon. If so then one must wonder what about the others (KOTOR 2 - TOR), would they too be made canon or would Disney opt to go their own way and make a new continuity after KOTOR Remake?
I do hope Disney makes KOTOR canon and maybe KOTOR 2. From there though make an all new KOTOR 3. One where the Exile and gang go following breadcrumbs past the edge of the galaxy looking for Revan. He had disappeared looking for an greater threat than the Sith we all know. They find out though that greater evil isn’t ancient sith but an alien species dead set on purifying the universe, an alien species who are outside of the force, an alien species who do not use technology but instead living creatures as weapons/ships/etc… that’s right boys and girls I am talking about the Yuuzhan Vong!
Bring that species into Disney canon!
What are your thoughts about that upcoming TOTJ anime? I heard it gonna be a show like force of destiny and possibly has nothing to do with old republic. :(
I'm cautiously optimistic!
Honestly I'd have loved that Palpatine had integrated some remains of the Star Forge into the Death Stars considering he was planning on having them be his counterbalance to the Force Backlash.
Yooo, hearing this sgsin and paying attention ...Damn, tactician Revan
For Star Wars Expanded Universe pre 2006, how many book’s, novel’s and game’s were there?
Maximum Overdrive by Stephan king comes to mind.
You know it’s weird cause the infinite engine and the area it made sounds a little bit like the “promise land” from the under city people on Taris
I sometimes wonder if it would be possible to make a Star Forge work without using the dark side of the Force and not being a corrupting tool.
So a light side star forge instead?
@@100StarWars Sure, or no force, just science. Star mater goes in --> stuff comes out.
Technically wouldn't the star forage be light and dark as it can corrupt but also create life
I mean, star forge was corrupted because of rakatan's behaviour, not because of how it's built
Well put story.
The Star Forge should have been a big part of any sequel trilogy, IMO
hearing this really has echos of bioware's future story of the reapers (and indoctrination)
for it showing up in the future it would make sense that ezra & thrawn encounter it in wild space in their travels with the purgil
Would be cool!
Could you make a videos
about references in canon
to Kotor 1 & 2/SWTOR/ other old republic stuff.
I have one - th-cam.com/video/2xFeEWDrI48/w-d-xo.html
Living metal? Ratakan necrons when? I can see one of them, so desparate to reconnect with the force do (40k's) biotranferrence
This is better than the super weapon used in the new movies and I feel this would've caught a lot of people's attention especially with the Alien agenda going around right now
What about the other Forges? Like the one that terraformed planets or the Founder? The latter I'm not completly convinced was 100% destroyed during the False Emperor Flash Point in SWTOR.
We only know of three of them. The rest are a mystery.
Is that background music from a Star Trek game?
maybe the star forge should become canon. it could explain a few things like how palpatine built a fleet of super star destroyers on exegol.
"Somehow the Star Forge returned"
It's a Palatine that's second emperor Starforge to you
10/10 writing
I'm glad this isn't canon because the force isn't shown to be this powerful in any of the movies. Not even close. This belongs in 40k not star wars.
What does Darth Vader say in a new hope?
*The Star Forge must orbit…*
Do you have a vid explaining the mass shadow generator more clearly ? I’ve played the game over 10 times over the many years and still a little cloudy on it. Maybe need a replay and focus more on the details of it lol
I'm waiting on SWTOR for more information about the Mass Shadow Generator before I cover it :)
May the fourth be with you
Would’ve been great to have used it as the focus of the sequel trilogy.
Would've made sense!
i always thought that the disney trilogy should have revolved around the star forge. after years of dormancy after the rise of the new republic the first order just has this massive fleet, and a superweapon that can destroy multiple planets that feeds off of a star. almost like the star forge. all of this could have been explored and why snoke didnt call himself a sith, because he followed a different doctorine of the dark side that focuses on the star forge. yeah it wouldve been a rehash of kotor, but that could explain the reason why Kylo Ren fell to the dark side, the corruption caused by the star forge.
Disney star wars is poorly written
What about Centerpoint Station?
Yes! They should have continued the star forge storyline...but lucasfilms lost many tendrils of interesting storylines over their history
I'm still pissed we never got the true kotor story teased in kotor 2 ending, fuck the revan novel and what swtor did with those characters including revan
Then there is asha on belsavis that can also create