The mistake I see most often with people employing a “3bet or fold” strategy is that they don’t actually fold these hands and just add them to their 3bet range.
I agree and have tried explaining it to so many people. Just because you added A5s and 87s to your 3bet range, doesn’t mean you have to 3bet them every single time, especially in 3bet-or-fold spots.
@@raimanyuh ya if your opponents are playing with appropriate opening ranges. Most low stakes live players limp the hands that you would raise A7s against for value.
LOL I would have a hard time not "Finding" the fold in the hand on the turn let alone the river. This is where not knowing what you're doing as the VIllian and getting crazy lucky as the Hero paid off. Maybe the Hero saw something in the way that the Villain played the hand that he unconsciously knew she had crap.
I did the same thing when I first started playing. Overplayed my weak aces. Now I get scared when I have AK on an Ace hi board multiway bc I've been beat by Ace rag too many times when they have Aces Up
This whole meta of raising with weak aces in bigger limit games is simply just high variance suicide. You can do JUST FINE and protect your winrate by not touching these garbage hands.
I'd check and fold a lot earlier here, but I'm curious on the timing of Bu's bet on the river. Most people bet $400 really quickly with value. Betting large and quickly with a bluff is a really good play, but it's a little rare.
This some bs... non of this crap relevant against good players... sure some fish maybe but their fish already for a reason so doesn't really about them
River sizing from Villain seems weird. Like if she had a flopped flush or house somehow why would she not want to shove river for just under pot. Like what bets does she have for half pot river? Like a bad flush? 76ss 87 SS 98ss. It doesn’t seem like a ton of combos
If she is into thin value ( from a weaker Ax), but not so much into 4-betting pre, then she could probably have AK or AQ; - ideally with the Ks or Qs. Hero should most often have Ax with his defensive line; plus maybe TT. 😃
I don't mind calling on the river here. Calling the turn seems like a bad play, because I could see her betting a better Ace on the turn, and if she's bluffing, I'm guessing that she's got a flush draw and a gut shot straight draw and still has good equity. But I don't think she's betting a better Ace on the river after the board pairs and after he calls the turn. The river counterfeits some of the two pair hands that could have bet the turn, and it decreases the combos of top two pair (and the combos of flopped sets), so I think she would check back a lot of the hands that she was betting for value on the turn. There aren't that many combos of flushes that she should have if she's defending against a 3 bet and the ace of spades and 10 of spades are on the board, and the caller's hand and the board means that there are only 2 combos total of flopped sets (assuming that pocket 3s doesn't defend against a 3 bet), and 4 combos of flopped top two pair. Aside from the 3 suited broadways, maybe you can give her J-9 or 9-8 suited or some lower suited connectors, but there really aren't that many flushes that she should have. I don't think she's betting a 10 on the turn, even if it has a spade. But if she's playing off-suit broadway hands, and calling the 1/3rd pot bet on the flop if she has a spade in her hand, then she's got 18 combos of flopped combo draws, and could even be playing some of the 27 combos of flopped gut shots without a spade this way. I think she's playing all 18 of the flopped combo draws this way, so she's got a ton of bluffs here. So I think he made the right decision on the river. But on the turn when there are 18 combos of flopped combo draws that have excellent equity against him, plus he could be up against maybe 5 or 6 combos of flopped flushes, some two pair hands, and some stronger aces, I think he should have folded.
I am not sure caller won this hand as much as opponent punted it. $400 is not enough to bluff river given how sticky caller has been. That bluff was not enough to get caller off an ace, and more than necessary if he has a busted draw. Opponent should have checked, bet small like $150 if she thought he was drawing or shoved.
caller seems far too focused on "middle aged lady" and not nearly focused enough on "why the F am I playing A7s this way." But he hero called and caught a punt, grats!
I have been in spots like this before where villains range becomes increasingly narrow as the hand goes on, but the bluffing frequency also reduces as the hand goes on. I think this is for sure one of those hands. I feel like most of the time they have it though. I think hero got lucky here.
I thought villain had pocket tens but played like she was scared of pocket aces, and going all in would have been too revealing, so the river size was in line with that.
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Goes suprisingly well against good holdings.. seen this hand all in 3 times recently, an i got it in pre with two guys yesterday, he had a7 of spades, i had ak off and last guy had like kq or some shit.. he ends up making a strait and i bust for like 200bb, and from the odds calculator, he had quite good odds
I would not have 3 bet A7 pre here, but after that point I think hero played the hand fine. I'm mildly surprised Bart is so strong on folding turn here, seems like an obvious spot for villain to take the betting lead. Hero's check certainly makes him look at least somewhat weak. People tend to attack when they sense weakness.
I'm very surprised Bart thinks you don't want a spade to call, I'd much prefer one spade to select my Ax off calls since she doesn't have many higher A's or Tx. A with Ks seems like the best call here.
Bart love ur channel but i have to disagree. Vs rec non thinking player i understand ur river idea that non having a spade is better because we unblock her bluffs. But in theory vs good competent player on the river we want to have the k or q of spade blocking Ip value as IP player should never bluff K or Q spade as he blocks our call turn fold river hands like Kks QQs. Ip bluffs should be 44s or 55s.
IMO this is a fold preflop, a flop check, a turn check/fold sometimes, and river is the close one becuase bluffs should be checking back or making it huge.
the analysis I'm going with is she was just playing any two cards vs him and trying to pressure him off his bluffs/weak hands by playing what she perceives to be his own style of play, and just bully with chips regardless of her holding. Could have had 73o or any crap, an attempt to 'play the player' by someone who may not have any complex analysis beyond the fact that betting into him could make him fold.
So that it is more likely your opponent has a broadway spade. If you have a good Ace with a spade it would be a good thing. A7 is beating 0 value so its better to just unblock bluffs.
Is this some sort of “GTO” play? 3 betting this hand from SB cuz you “aren’t doing a lot of calling from SB” and calling down cuz “something something MDF or exploitable”. I guess it worked out for the caller so good for him!
You really shouldn't be doing a lot of calling from the SB to a button open, if at all. Being out of position sucks. This is why most preflop charts have you just 3betting or folding out of the SB.
I think, personally I would have opted for a block size on river of around $250. Reason being that if she has value, it’s gonna be A-10 K-10, 33, or a flush. Which will almost always raise, so we can fold. If she has a bluff, or thick value she should be betting much bigger or All in on River, which makes it nearly impossible to call. She may not even raise a flush on river with board pair given the action. Which saved us money if we gave betting initiative to her.
mr. gil, you overplayed your suited ace. The only good board for a hand like A of club 7 of club is if you hit three clubs, any other board ur shitting your pants
But that the term middle aged isn’t typically used to refer to someone halfway through their life expectancy. It’s typically used to refer to someone close to the traditional retirement age. Think late 50s to mid 60s.
1. Callers intro about asian lady seeing him bluff before has ZERO purpose for this hand where he is doing no bluffing. 2. Bart is an overfolder and always has been 3. Since Bart loves to make assumptions of live poker how about the fact that she’s Asian..gambo gambo. So if this lady is triple barreling it’s pretty obv that it’s pretty obv she’s s known bluffer. Thanks for the info caller
The mistake I see most often with people employing a “3bet or fold” strategy is that they don’t actually fold these hands and just add them to their 3bet range.
haha
I agree and have tried explaining it to so many people. Just because you added A5s and 87s to your 3bet range, doesn’t mean you have to 3bet them every single time, especially in 3bet-or-fold spots.
SB vs BU you are 3betting A7ss at 100% frequency btw
@@raimanyuh ya if your opponents are playing with appropriate opening ranges. Most low stakes live players limp the hands that you would raise A7s against for value.
@@raimanyuh with a CO limp and 5x raise from the BU?
Hello...i played ever street wrong and got lucky what do you think Bart ?
I think this whole hand should be called a "blocked punt". Hero did everything to ship money over to the villain, but was unsuccessful.
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LOL
LOL I would have a hard time not "Finding" the fold in the hand on the turn let alone the river. This is where not knowing what you're doing as the VIllian and getting crazy lucky as the Hero paid off. Maybe the Hero saw something in the way that the Villain played the hand that he unconsciously knew she had crap.
Classic case of weak ace, people overplay weak aces like it's going out of style, I don't get it.
I did the same thing when I first started playing. Overplayed my weak aces. Now I get scared when I have AK on an Ace hi board multiway bc I've been beat by Ace rag too many times when they have Aces Up
@@oldmancannabis3026 In many online configurations you have to watch out for broadway cards catching two pair - live no board is safe anymore haha.
Let them do it. Keeps us profitable lol
This whole meta of raising with weak aces in bigger limit games is simply just high variance suicide. You can do JUST FINE and protect your winrate by not touching these garbage hands.
@@charlesnewborn3760 Yeah agreed
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I'd check and fold a lot earlier here, but I'm curious on the timing of Bu's bet on the river. Most people bet $400 really quickly with value. Betting large and quickly with a bluff is a really good play, but it's a little rare.
This some bs... non of this crap relevant against good players... sure some fish maybe but their fish already for a reason so doesn't really about them
@@Moneyovertruth It's live poker bro
Opposite; people but large and fast with bluffs
There's so many hands that have you dominated here. Playing this way would be setting money on fire where I play.
Yeah, I can't believe he won. In every game I've played, this line was suicide 99% of the time.
Live play is just different ppl go off crazy assumptions based on the player
No doubt.
I see your point but people like to gamble, i might play KQ spades and i could never fold with that flop.
River sizing from
Villain seems weird. Like if she had a flopped flush or house somehow why would she not want to shove river for just under pot. Like what bets does she have for half pot river? Like a bad flush? 76ss 87 SS 98ss. It doesn’t seem like a ton of combos
That is a very good point I hadn’t considered
If she is into thin value ( from a weaker Ax), but not so much into 4-betting pre, then she could probably have AK or AQ; - ideally with the Ks or Qs. Hero should most often have Ax with his defensive line; plus maybe TT. 😃
I don't know about a flopped flush or a boat but since she's bluffing She would think a shove screams bluff ,but 400 ish says value.
I don't mind calling on the river here. Calling the turn seems like a bad play, because I could see her betting a better Ace on the turn, and if she's bluffing, I'm guessing that she's got a flush draw and a gut shot straight draw and still has good equity. But I don't think she's betting a better Ace on the river after the board pairs and after he calls the turn. The river counterfeits some of the two pair hands that could have bet the turn, and it decreases the combos of top two pair (and the combos of flopped sets), so I think she would check back a lot of the hands that she was betting for value on the turn.
There aren't that many combos of flushes that she should have if she's defending against a 3 bet and the ace of spades and 10 of spades are on the board, and the caller's hand and the board means that there are only 2 combos total of flopped sets (assuming that pocket 3s doesn't defend against a 3 bet), and 4 combos of flopped top two pair. Aside from the 3 suited broadways, maybe you can give her J-9 or 9-8 suited or some lower suited connectors, but there really aren't that many flushes that she should have. I don't think she's betting a 10 on the turn, even if it has a spade. But if she's playing off-suit broadway hands, and calling the 1/3rd pot bet on the flop if she has a spade in her hand, then she's got 18 combos of flopped combo draws, and could even be playing some of the 27 combos of flopped gut shots without a spade this way. I think she's playing all 18 of the flopped combo draws this way, so she's got a ton of bluffs here.
So I think he made the right decision on the river.
But on the turn when there are 18 combos of flopped combo draws that have excellent equity against him, plus he could be up against maybe 5 or 6 combos of flopped flushes, some two pair hands, and some stronger aces, I think he should have folded.
I am not sure caller won this hand as much as opponent punted it. $400 is not enough to bluff river given how sticky caller has been. That bluff was not enough to get caller off an ace, and more than necessary if he has a busted draw. Opponent should have checked, bet small like $150 if she thought he was drawing or shoved.
caller seems far too focused on "middle aged lady" and not nearly focused enough on "why the F am I playing A7s this way." But he hero called and caught a punt, grats!
JJ is the best hand pre
I like limped aces.
I have been in spots like this before where villains range becomes increasingly narrow as the hand goes on, but the bluffing frequency also reduces as the hand goes on. I think this is for sure one of those hands. I feel like most of the time they have it though. I think hero got lucky here.
I thought villain had pocket tens but played like she was scared of pocket aces, and going all in would have been too revealing, so the river size was in line with that.
Seems like an easy turn fold
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Wow tough to make a call there! You feel amazing when right though lol.
This a good call for the “they never have a bluff” crowd
Not sure who would ever say that & mean it literally. It's poker, it can always be a bluff.
Ace 7 is a Really Good Hand?? Ok.. cool story.
Goes suprisingly well against good holdings.. seen this hand all in 3 times recently, an i got it in pre with two guys yesterday, he had a7 of spades, i had ak off and last guy had like kq or some shit.. he ends up making a strait and i bust for like 200bb, and from the odds calculator, he had quite good odds
First of all, it’s suited lol
@@Unhingedanduninformed lol
I would not have 3 bet A7 pre here, but after that point I think hero played the hand fine. I'm mildly surprised Bart is so strong on folding turn here, seems like an obvious spot for villain to take the betting lead. Hero's check certainly makes him look at least somewhat weak. People tend to attack when they sense weakness.
When he said flop I thought it was a clear spot to check.
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I don't know what she had but I'm sure one was a spade, KJ, KQ, if she had 99 or 88. She might bluff at it but i think she'd have to show.
I'm very surprised Bart thinks you don't want a spade to call, I'd much prefer one spade to select my Ax off calls since she doesn't have many higher A's or Tx. A with Ks seems like the best call here.
10:30 hero is not losing to A-3 on the river. Hero has two pair with a seven kicker.
They are talking about the turn.
Bart love ur channel but i have to disagree. Vs rec non thinking player i understand ur river idea that non having a spade is better because we unblock her bluffs. But in theory vs good competent player on the river we want to have the k or q of spade blocking Ip value as IP player should never bluff K or Q spade as he blocks our call turn fold river hands like Kks QQs. Ip bluffs should be 44s or 55s.
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Fold pre…
River does change the fact we beat A3 and A2. Not that it makes it a call, just saying.
Yes, but those hands would typically just take their showdown value.
IMO this is a fold preflop, a flop check, a turn check/fold sometimes, and river is the close one becuase bluffs should be checking back or making it huge.
what it boils down to is if the villian is capable of semi-bluffing the turn. if yes, then its a call.
the analysis I'm going with is she was just playing any two cards vs him and trying to pressure him off his bluffs/weak hands by playing what she perceives to be his own style of play, and just bully with chips regardless of her holding. Could have had 73o or any crap, an attempt to 'play the player' by someone who may not have any complex analysis beyond the fact that betting into him could make him fold.
I’ll be the preflop police for you Bart. fold pre. Short discussion.
Folding top pair on the turn with a monotone flop after you check? Baaaart?
Why would you not want to have a spade ?
So that it is more likely your opponent has a broadway spade. If you have a good Ace with a spade it would be a good thing. A7 is beating 0 value so its better to just unblock bluffs.
Is he shuffling chips?
If bet flop, gotta bet this turn. Don’t mind checking flop either
Fold pre
Is this some sort of “GTO” play? 3 betting this hand from SB cuz you “aren’t doing a lot of calling from SB” and calling down cuz “something something MDF or exploitable”. I guess it worked out for the caller so good for him!
You really shouldn't be doing a lot of calling from the SB to a button open, if at all. Being out of position sucks. This is why most preflop charts have you just 3betting or folding out of the SB.
@@defer114 don’t tell our secrets to this person
As played i fold river. Probably fold the turn.
River bet of 400 - it feels like a bet that opp wants to get called on.
Tough call, to be safe I would have bet on the turn, she should have shoved like any young people would do on the river.
I think, personally I would have opted for a block size on river of around $250.
Reason being that if she has value, it’s gonna be A-10 K-10, 33, or a flush. Which will almost always raise, so we can fold. If she has a bluff, or thick value she should be betting much bigger or All in on River, which makes it nearly impossible to call. She may not even raise a flush on river with board pair given the action. Which saved us money if we gave betting initiative to her.
People overvalue these SOOOOTED aces way too much.
mr. gil, you overplayed your suited ace. The only good board for a hand like A of club 7 of club is if you hit three clubs, any other board ur shitting your pants
The best advice for small stakes exploits is too f off with marginal spots. Just stop
This video sounds like 2 nits arguing over who can punt the farthest
"She's a middle aged women."
I would think middle aged women bluff less than younger men on avg
@@jamsteroffthewheel4731 yeah, this was just a grammatical quote
I know the woman the caller played the hand against and she is actually very agressive.
@@sQuaTsiFieD I am the caller. I might have made her sound OWC but this was not the case haha
Owc ? What's that? Old woman ?
Objection Bart. 40 years old is not middle aged. {Angry face}
if the average age of death is 80……..
Someone's in denial
Goddamn, middle aged is 40 now? Guess I’m one foot out the door according to this kid.
The average life expectancy is less than 80... so yes 40 is middle aged
But that the term middle aged isn’t typically used to refer to someone halfway through their life expectancy. It’s typically used to refer to someone close to the traditional retirement age. Think late 50s to mid 60s.
@@davidbeenjammin
Middle aged says it all
Fair enough, won’t get into a semantics argument. I guess this means I’m pushing middle aged. 😂
Turned 39 last Sunday, I'm dreading my next one because you're official middle-aged at 40.
1. Callers intro about asian lady seeing him bluff before has ZERO purpose for this hand where he is doing no bluffing.
2. Bart is an overfolder and always has been
3. Since Bart loves to make assumptions of live poker how about the fact that she’s Asian..gambo gambo. So if this lady is triple barreling it’s pretty obv that it’s pretty obv she’s s known bluffer. Thanks for the info caller
I think villain has JT.