This is the best poker content out there. Not only insightful, but the dynamic of a poker streamer still trying to improve after such a successful career with a wizard is so inspiring. To me, these videos are similar to what is going on with chess on TH-cam. Even new players can watch a glimpse of this video and learn about the depth of this game and get inspired to start playing. That being said, I wish Jordan would make more videos of him playing because I love his style and approach to the game :) cheers
Would have liked to see how turn and river is played in various spots here because I understand most of these floats in theory, but I often punt and burn chips on later streets when I apply this
Great video, I was pretty proud of myself for pausing the action and deciding what I would do in these spots. I did very well getting all by 1 spot correct. Earned a Sub.
I always wonder if these borderline flop defends become breakeven or slightly losing when we consider that its extremely difficult to play future streets perfectly, plus icm considerations (even in earlier stages). Of course, our opponent wont play perfectly either, but Id guess he has a better chance of playing well being ip.
True, but keep in mind the key here is if you gain equity on the Turn... obviously if you miss all of your back door draws and don't pair up with your over-card or at least gain equity in some way it will be a clear Check/Fold, unless you can find a good bluff situation.
Whats REALLY interesting about this video, is that i literally saw with my own eyes yesterday how lexs has been picking up stuff out of this session. There was a hand yesterday where he made a runner runner ace high flush, on hand very similar he folded in this example and made a mf huge pot. Pretty 🍌🍌s about this 😎👍
one thing I noticed that I don't remember being touched on - it seems like your thought process in a lot of these borderline hands is usually leaning towards "how can I fold" when it seems like this solver information is always pushing a "in what ways can I possibly justify continuing or even raising" outcome
Hey - thx for the content. Just to clarify - on the 487 board with K9o. Is it a good fold on that 2/3 sizing? You mention backdoor straight and 2 overs not being enough for a call? then what sizing do we start calling back? Is it the fact that the board does not really hit HJ range rather more our BB range, hence he might already be on an over pair or 2 overs that are better than us? ie KQ, KJ KT which would put us in a shit spot if we hit the K or the 9 if he has TT, JJ. What's the main reason to fold here :) thx!
I think the coach does say K9o is a good fold there. GTO wizard says that even against 33% sizing instead of 66%, K9o is a pure fold. It even continues to be 95% fold when looking at 33% c-bet from the CO instead of HJ, but it now does some tiny bit of raising. Only once you change it to BTN vs BB and use a 33% c-bet does K9o now continue 50% of the time (but folding is still an okay play used 50% of the time). Going back to the situation where you're facing the big size: Against the HJ, one issue is that the c-betting range is very strong and has a high percentage of overpairs. But since we're also folding pure against BTN, so vs BTN, another issue is that against the big size, your backdoor straight potential becomes a lot less valuable due to the fact that you need cards for your backdoor straight that already put one-to-a-straight on the board. Relatedly, villain in the BTN is supposed to often have these immediate straight draws when using the big size, or hands like T9o or J9o that dominate your backdoor straight when you do make it. And, as you say, when you hit your K and he hits a K as well, you're most of the time outkicked or up against two pair, so, hitting a K almost never works out GREAT for you. (K2s and K3s never use the big size for a c-bet even when they're in the villain's range preflop). Note that K9*s* with bdfd becomes good enough that you can do anything with it even against HJ (but folding is still okay), but without the bdfd you pure fold.
Zooming out, one important difference between this K9o hand and other hands shown is that this is far from a range c-bet for the opponent. Whereas K32 board and many other boards shown are either range bets or 75% bets. 874 is a good board for the BB so c-betting range is quite snug precisely because you'll have lots of hands there that are better continues than K9o. Every immediate straight draw (there are so many) makes for a better check-raise or defend.
The chance with a back door flush draw to get a flush draw, is about 4 %. Does this 4 % make the difference between calling and folding (the first hand) with J9 suited? Seems more logic if you have to fold with J9 clubs you also should fold J9 with a back door flush draw. Or does winning 1 more out of 20 games makes you more money, than losing it 19 times (without getting a J or 9)?
Are you totally discounting winning with a J or 9 on the Turn, or possible bluffing spots? Also, consider the pot odds from the BB, you don't have to win that often due to Antes and Blinds especially versus small C-bets. Typically for these spots it goes like this... SB + BB + BB Ante + 2.5 Raise and your call is 6.5BB pot for your call is 1.5BB.... you only need 23% equity preflop to call. Then post flop he bets 2BB making the Pot 10.5 with your 2BB call. You only need about 20% equity to continue. These are all things to consider here. If all of your backdoor and pairing up draws miss, then It's likely an easy fold when he fires again, unless you find a good bluffing opportunity.
Oh great, more depth in to the game. First when you start you only learn some opening charts and mess up flop / turn / river play. Then you learn to play those better... and then comes day like this where you realize how little you still understand...
This is the best poker content out there. Not only insightful, but the dynamic of a poker streamer still trying to improve after such a successful career with a wizard is so inspiring. To me, these videos are similar to what is going on with chess on TH-cam. Even new players can watch a glimpse of this video and learn about the depth of this game and get inspired to start playing. That being said, I wish Jordan would make more videos of him playing because I love his style and approach to the game :) cheers
Those who can't Do, Teach. ;)
Lex outro said it all, amazinf stuff. The best content for MTTs on youtube period.
Tyvm!
Bbz really is a good coach after watching this and the recent spraggy livestream I’ve made some changes for the better
Lot of value on the YT channels. Cannot wait for the next sale in 2024 on some bundle or would go for daily seminar to learn from BBZ, Ape, Brian
Would have liked to see how turn and river is played in various spots here because I understand most of these floats in theory, but I often punt and burn chips on later streets when I apply this
Agreed
make the calls flop and after that save every spot on turn and rivers to study later on gto wizard
These are hands Lex folded on the flop but should have defended.
I like this format a lot!! Seems like a really well rounded way to learn! I will be on the lookout for more!!
one of the most important poker lessons i've ever had. absolutely brilliant
I am way f ing up my bb play
THANK YOU
Great video, I was pretty proud of myself for pausing the action and deciding what I would do in these spots. I did very well getting all by 1 spot correct. Earned a Sub.
I always wonder if these borderline flop defends become breakeven or slightly losing when we consider that its extremely difficult to play future streets perfectly, plus icm considerations (even in earlier stages). Of course, our opponent wont play perfectly either, but Id guess he has a better chance of playing well being ip.
True, but keep in mind the key here is if you gain equity on the Turn... obviously if you miss all of your back door draws and don't pair up with your over-card or at least gain equity in some way it will be a clear Check/Fold, unless you can find a good bluff situation.
alright you got me
going to buy some of your classes
Very nice. Thanks for the content.
great lesson!
Please share more info...it helps...and the perspective is sick!...i usually play this was but didnt know thats how its played haha
Many thanks- this is excellent.
Then what we doing on turn with either bare flush draw or no pair no draw the majority of the time vs bet
Whats REALLY interesting about this video, is that i literally saw with my own eyes yesterday how lexs has been picking up stuff out of this session. There was a hand yesterday where he made a runner runner ace high flush, on hand very similar he folded in this example and made a mf huge pot. Pretty 🍌🍌s about this 😎👍
Love this content. 10/10
I like this format. But what on earth are we "pure playing T8dd on the K52rainbow flop with NO backdoors?" What turn card makes us like the spot?
Love the lex ending hahaha...
Interesting the K9o pure fold I’d be more intuitively inclined to float that than the bd flush hands with poor kickers
same here esp when am at full capacity with tables.
@@eyeq7730 absolutely - I lose the nuanced plays 4 tables or more
Loved it! TY
one thing I noticed that I don't remember being touched on - it seems like your thought process in a lot of these borderline hands is usually leaning towards "how can I fold" when it seems like this solver information is always pushing a "in what ways can I possibly justify continuing or even raising" outcome
Very informative
these videos are actually sick btw lol
Hey - thx for the content. Just to clarify - on the 487 board with K9o. Is it a good fold on that 2/3 sizing? You mention backdoor straight and 2 overs not being enough for a call? then what sizing do we start calling back? Is it the fact that the board does not really hit HJ range rather more our BB range, hence he might already be on an over pair or 2 overs that are better than us? ie KQ, KJ KT which would put us in a shit spot if we hit the K or the 9 if he has TT, JJ. What's the main reason to fold here :) thx!
I think the coach does say K9o is a good fold there. GTO wizard says that even against 33% sizing instead of 66%, K9o is a pure fold. It even continues to be 95% fold when looking at 33% c-bet from the CO instead of HJ, but it now does some tiny bit of raising. Only once you change it to BTN vs BB and use a 33% c-bet does K9o now continue 50% of the time (but folding is still an okay play used 50% of the time).
Going back to the situation where you're facing the big size:
Against the HJ, one issue is that the c-betting range is very strong and has a high percentage of overpairs.
But since we're also folding pure against BTN, so vs BTN, another issue is that against the big size, your backdoor straight potential becomes a lot less valuable due to the fact that you need cards for your backdoor straight that already put one-to-a-straight on the board. Relatedly, villain in the BTN is supposed to often have these immediate straight draws when using the big size, or hands like T9o or J9o that dominate your backdoor straight when you do make it. And, as you say, when you hit your K and he hits a K as well, you're most of the time outkicked or up against two pair, so, hitting a K almost never works out GREAT for you. (K2s and K3s never use the big size for a c-bet even when they're in the villain's range preflop).
Note that K9*s* with bdfd becomes good enough that you can do anything with it even against HJ (but folding is still okay), but without the bdfd you pure fold.
Zooming out, one important difference between this K9o hand and other hands shown is that this is far from a range c-bet for the opponent. Whereas K32 board and many other boards shown are either range bets or 75% bets. 874 is a good board for the BB so c-betting range is quite snug precisely because you'll have lots of hands there that are better continues than K9o. Every immediate straight draw (there are so many) makes for a better check-raise or defend.
The chance with a back door flush draw to get a flush draw, is about 4 %.
Does this 4 % make the difference between calling and folding (the first hand) with J9 suited?
Seems more logic if you have to fold with J9 clubs you also should fold J9 with a back door flush draw. Or does winning 1 more out of 20 games makes you more money, than losing it 19 times (without getting a J or 9)?
Are you totally discounting winning with a J or 9 on the Turn, or possible bluffing spots? Also, consider the pot odds from the BB, you don't have to win that often due to Antes and Blinds especially versus small C-bets. Typically for these spots it goes like this... SB + BB + BB Ante + 2.5 Raise and your call is 6.5BB pot for your call is 1.5BB.... you only need 23% equity preflop to call. Then post flop he bets 2BB making the Pot 10.5 with your 2BB call. You only need about 20% equity to continue. These are all things to consider here. If all of your backdoor and pairing up draws miss, then It's likely an easy fold when he fires again, unless you find a good bluffing opportunity.
17:19 boy you trippin!!!
Also thank you so much for posting, learned a ton really appreciate it!
I would also like to see this with facing a raise. I will be checking the library.
Oh great, more depth in to the game. First when you start you only learn some opening charts and mess up flop / turn / river play. Then you learn to play those better... and then comes day like this where you realize how little you still understand...
Please make the table bigger and the background darker next time so it's easier to see
No way Lex ever wore that green short sleeved shirt in the thumbnail 😂
After playing this for 6.34 minutes. I remembered it's bbz talking so i played it in 0.75x speed
im guess im abit of a nit but 10h 7h id have folded to a raise
Brilliant, but pls Coach Talk Not so fast. Not everyone is nativ speaker