I've found that most players will be so frustrated with getting counterfeited that they will fold out of frustration without thinking the hand through. Kudos to the caller for taking advantage of that.
At the end, Bart brings up a really good point about QQ blocking KQ. Neither he nor the caller accounted for that while considering a river bet, though.
I like the river bet. If villain doesn't have an A, then this looks a lot like an A from hero who is trying to get value from a K or QQ. I was thinking exactly the same. It's a great price on a bluff that looks really strong.
For as much as blockers en vogue right now, even if Bart doesn't pay them as much credence as many others, I'm still surprised that he didn't ask about the suits of the Queens, because it is actually a factor here, especially considering that the villain is friends with the hero with lots of history so presumably, he also studies poker on a deeper level, or at least deep enough to understand taking blockers into consideration. The key here is whether or not the villain has the Queen of Diamonds. If he does, that eliminates KQdd as one of the hero's potential hands which contain a Queen. And KQdd is the most likely hand with a king that he would play this way, except for maybe AK, although I don't think that AK checks back the turn too much, although it is a possibility as AK is blocking most of the villains value hands at that point, so hero could either be inducing a bluff or trying to allow the villain to catch up on the river. And obviously with their history, there is leveling going on here which is too difficult for us to add onto our read here. We'd need to know how their last 20 hands they played together went, plus the entirety of their history and how their play versus one another has changed, especially when compared to how they play versus other opponents in identical or very similar situations.
It doesn't matter if he had Q diamonds on the river because hero could never 100% know ahead of time. I recon villian is almost never (like 99.9%) 4betting KQs preflop. On the flip side, I doubt hero is 3betting villain with KQs preflop also. If villain has AK then a line of bet, bet, bet or check, bet, bet makes sense. Bet, check, check is almost never going to be AK. This line looses too much potential value. I could see hero having some Ax trapping this way. AK and some AQs that doesn't fold preflop. Hero made a good read.
@@augustgreig9420 KQ diamonds is one hand. I think Bart's point about the small flop bets getting calls from pairs is much more relevant. A pocket pair is 6 combos. Villain should be calling with calling with any QQ with his line. He just didn't think hero was capable of a bluff in this spot. Hero gave up some exploit by showing as now villain will be defending more.
@@AT-bw4cmYes, but my point is, the villain could have logically put the hero on KQdd on the flop when he called such a small bet bet because he was getting the correct odds to do so. If he was holding the Queen of Diamonds, then this is something that he could rule out immediately and may make him more likely to call. My only point here is that I think it's an important point of interest to know the suits of his Queens so we can better understand his thought process, especially on the river, seeing as how the most likely hand he could have which contains a king may in fact have been ruled out immediately.
I'm trying to figure out whether or not I like this, Assuming villain has all 6 combos of QQ and never hero calls the but will always call with a K+ this play should be profitable unless villain has 16 combos of K+ that check turn and check river. I don't think villain's checking range is going to be that well protected so I can definitely see it, and villain check jamming as a bluff would be an incredibly rare play. As dumb as this sounded to me originally I can buy hero having taken the correct line. Plus villain is his friend so I feel like it is +300% fun/bragging rights value when it works.
V could bet a king pretty freely - I feel like it's super unlikely hero is flatting flop, checking back turn with an A and how many As does he really have after 3 betting an UTG open and flatting the 4 bet with 4 Aces and Kings accounted for? Sometimes a king will fold, sometimes you'll get heroed by a Q.
I think hero gets to the river with some Ax. I don’t think, in hero’s spot, I’m raising with AQ or AK on the flop. And even on the turn, with AK you have the nuts and 0 possibility of being outdrawn. Why not let QJdd try and hit a flush? You could maybe bet AQ, but not great if you’re only getting called by AK or KK. There’s only a 2/3 pot sized bet left so you can still jam the river anyway, no need to build the pot on the flop or turn.
Guy on the call doesn’t know Ohio at all. Bart asks for cities with in an hour of Cleveland and he gave him Toledo and Columbus. Neither of them are even close to an hour away.
I really don't like how villain plays the hand. I love that Cbet, probably 150 will be perfect and just shoves the turn on King. This moves will give tremendous pressure to hero because hero have to think twice to call me with Trips Ace because my 4 bet range preflop definitely have AK or Kings. I also don't like the river fold with QQ because why would hero check back if he have the Ace OTT? The story just doesn't add up when hero bets the river and I block KQs.
Never try to die by assuming you know that one hand bc even Ivey and Doyle were wrong more often than right. Im not going to tell you what to use but its easy to figure out.
If we don’t have an A or K in our hand there’s 50 unknown cards. It’s actually easier to work out the chance of not getting an A or K on the flop…for the first card there’s a 42/50 chance, for the second card 41/49 and for the third 40/48. Multiplying those together give 58.6% chance of no A/K. So the chance of at least one is 41.4%.
Downbet on flop then check turn smells like fear of Ax or Kx. I like hero's play here with JJ. Really just a matter of having superior position. What pocket pairs can call here, as played? Hero's line looks like Ax. Villain's doesn't.
This guy said if he had a k he'd bet small to get called by a Q...than he bets small trying to get a q to fold. Which is it? Very inconsistent. Shoving has more fold equity and a better play. For 300 I'd probably call w qq. It just made no sense you say bet a k to get a q to call than you did it to get a q to fold. Best move is shoving or betting $400 or so on the turn.
NEW TERM FOR CRUSH LIVE: CRYING CHECK!!!!...when a contemplating bet because you have some showdown value and could also play as semi bluff but it's just not worth it.
One of the best hand histories I've seen on here... very good analysis, Bart
I've found that most players will be so frustrated with getting counterfeited that they will fold out of frustration without thinking the hand through. Kudos to the caller for taking advantage of that.
At the end, Bart brings up a really good point about QQ blocking KQ. Neither he nor the caller accounted for that while considering a river bet, though.
That cat meow was priceless.🤣
@19:04
I like the river bet. If villain doesn't have an A, then this looks a lot like an A from hero who is trying to get value from a K or QQ. I was thinking exactly the same. It's a great price on a bluff that looks really strong.
I wish this had ended with villian jamming for 220 more and showing 76s after Hero folding :)
You're so evil 👿
Why? Hero seems like a likable guy - and his knowledge of poker is better than most of the people who call into this show.
Nothing against the Hero personally. I just thought it would be funny. I'm evil, lol.
Evil for the win!
For as much as blockers en vogue right now, even if Bart doesn't pay them as much credence as many others, I'm still surprised that he didn't ask about the suits of the Queens, because it is actually a factor here, especially considering that the villain is friends with the hero with lots of history so presumably, he also studies poker on a deeper level, or at least deep enough to understand taking blockers into consideration. The key here is whether or not the villain has the Queen of Diamonds. If he does, that eliminates KQdd as one of the hero's potential hands which contain a Queen. And KQdd is the most likely hand with a king that he would play this way, except for maybe AK, although I don't think that AK checks back the turn too much, although it is a possibility as AK is blocking most of the villains value hands at that point, so hero could either be inducing a bluff or trying to allow the villain to catch up on the river.
And obviously with their history, there is leveling going on here which is too difficult for us to add onto our read here. We'd need to know how their last 20 hands they played together went, plus the entirety of their history and how their play versus one another has changed, especially when compared to how they play versus other opponents in identical or very similar situations.
It doesn't matter if he had Q diamonds on the river because hero could never 100% know ahead of time. I recon villian is almost never (like 99.9%) 4betting KQs preflop. On the flip side, I doubt hero is 3betting villain with KQs preflop also. If villain has AK then a line of bet, bet, bet or check, bet, bet makes sense. Bet, check, check is almost never going to be AK. This line looses too much potential value. I could see hero having some Ax trapping this way. AK and some AQs that doesn't fold preflop. Hero made a good read.
@@AT-bw4cm No, I'm saying it would effect the villains decision on wether or not to call the river.
@@augustgreig9420 KQ diamonds is one hand. I think Bart's point about the small flop bets getting calls from pairs is much more relevant. A pocket pair is 6 combos. Villain should be calling with calling with any QQ with his line. He just didn't think hero was capable of a bluff in this spot. Hero gave up some exploit by showing as now villain will be defending more.
@@AT-bw4cmYes, but my point is, the villain could have logically put the hero on KQdd on the flop when he called such a small bet bet because he was getting the correct odds to do so. If he was holding the Queen of Diamonds, then this is something that he could rule out immediately and may make him more likely to call. My only point here is that I think it's an important point of interest to know the suits of his Queens so we can better understand his thought process, especially on the river, seeing as how the most likely hand he could have which contains a king may in fact have been ruled out immediately.
I'm trying to figure out whether or not I like this,
Assuming villain has all 6 combos of QQ and never hero calls the but will always call with a K+ this play should be profitable unless villain has 16 combos of K+ that check turn and check river. I don't think villain's checking range is going to be that well protected so I can definitely see it, and villain check jamming as a bluff would be an incredibly rare play. As dumb as this sounded to me originally I can buy hero having taken the correct line. Plus villain is his friend so I feel like it is +300% fun/bragging rights value when it works.
great call
Fold JJ preflop giving stack depth and giving slim 4 bet bluffing range
V could bet a king pretty freely - I feel like it's super unlikely hero is flatting flop, checking back turn with an A and how many As does he really have after 3 betting an UTG open and flatting the 4 bet with 4 Aces and Kings accounted for? Sometimes a king will fold, sometimes you'll get heroed by a Q.
I think hero gets to the river with some Ax. I don’t think, in hero’s spot, I’m raising with AQ or AK on the flop.
And even on the turn, with AK you have the nuts and 0 possibility of being outdrawn. Why not let QJdd try and hit a flush? You could maybe bet AQ, but not great if you’re only getting called by AK or KK.
There’s only a 2/3 pot sized bet left so you can still jam the river anyway, no need to build the pot on the flop or turn.
Guy on the call doesn’t know Ohio at all. Bart asks for cities with in an hour of Cleveland and he gave him Toledo and Columbus. Neither of them are even close to an hour away.
Against an unknown in this tight of a configuration I think I just fold pre to the 4-bet.
yeah that's what I was thinking. in this setup it has to be a just call or a 3 bet/fold to try to get in position against something that isn't AA/KK
Yeah if it weren't for the friendly leveling wars this would be a snap fold preflop. JJ vs. 4-bet at 100bb's is waaaaaay behind.
excellent breakdown.. what a spot
Good play by the caller on the river here. Neither player ever really has an ace on the river, but hero can have a king.
This was even a fun re-watch a year later.
@19:06 The cat is in the background all "YOU BET $300???"
I really don't like how villain plays the hand. I love that Cbet, probably 150 will be perfect and just shoves the turn on King. This moves will give tremendous pressure to hero because hero have to think twice to call me with Trips Ace because my 4 bet range preflop definitely have AK or Kings. I also don't like the river fold with QQ because why would hero check back if he have the Ace OTT? The story just doesn't add up when hero bets the river and I block KQs.
Let's go. Represent Poker Hub.
Ha! Lol I thought Bart put in the cat meow
The cat was the mvp of the call.
Never try to die by assuming you know that one hand bc even Ivey and Doyle were wrong more often than right. Im not going to tell you what to use but its easy to figure out.
What percentage of the time is there an A or K on the flop if we don't have either in our hand?
I think it’s 20% but that might just be for an Ace no King
When we have kk...100% there is an ace on the flop. When we have jj or qq it's around 150% chance there's an ace or king on the flop. 😊
@@craigerc713 This is undeniably true. Just like when I'm waiting on the bus, every time I light a cigarette, the bus shows up almost immediately.
I think an A or K comes on the flop something like 40% of the time.
If we don’t have an A or K in our hand there’s 50 unknown cards.
It’s actually easier to work out the chance of not getting an A or K on the flop…for the first card there’s a 42/50 chance, for the second card 41/49 and for the third 40/48.
Multiplying those together give 58.6% chance of no A/K. So the chance of at least one is 41.4%.
Awesome hand ... Thanks again Bart for another interesting hand breakdown!!!!
Downbet on flop then check turn smells like fear of Ax or Kx. I like hero's play here with JJ. Really just a matter of having superior position. What pocket pairs can call here, as played? Hero's line looks like Ax. Villain's doesn't.
Any heart is a check with set of tens
Any Broadway that isn't a heart is a check alot with ten ten
Thank god they figured out it was Akron.. that was gonna kill me all day.
Looked like QQ or JJ the whole way
Did they ever catch the folks that killed the player who was leaving poker hub?
What if villain had gone all in at the end?
QQ,... bro, I'm calling with Q2
Wow this caller seems like a spew. Would love to have him in my games.
Come play with me :)
Akron/Canton
This guy said if he had a k he'd bet small to get called by a Q...than he bets small trying to get a q to fold. Which is it? Very inconsistent. Shoving has more fold equity and a better play. For 300 I'd probably call w qq. It just made no sense you say bet a k to get a q to call than you did it to get a q to fold. Best move is shoving or betting $400 or so on the turn.
fold pre
Damn I really think as villain here I’m shoving over the top on river
Ya nice bet river , got to bet and try to get qq to fold , pretty obvious he has qq
NEW TERM FOR CRUSH LIVE:
CRYING CHECK!!!!...when a contemplating bet because you have some showdown value and could also play as semi bluff but it's just not worth it.
why would u play AQ that way but not AJ. on the river it’s the same hand lol
Wouldn’t ever call preflop with AJ
@@mattpitstick6884 fair enough. I was assuming he was implying he could get to the flop with AJ but that makes the most sense
No they are different class of hand. AQ has 2 premium blockers thus makes its way into 4 bet bluff ranges etc
He corrected himself that he’s only calling a 4 bet with AQs+ which seems pretty reasonable
Hero should have bet a hundred on the turn.. if the villain calls this hand is over
WILD hand... SMall blind has 10 10? QQ?? wow gotta see the end
If I were hero I'd totally bet $100 on the turn
Probably the worst decision possible but thanks for your input!
@@wompwomp7177 Oh yeah it's a terrible bet, but I think it would be funny to match villain's small bet size on the turn.
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If you want to spend $100 for comedy just go to your local comedy club lol😂
How did this video come up in my recommendations after watching makeup tutorials?
It’s a sign Steven, get into poker
i'm getting into makeup after this@@aubreysharp7397
Gotta earn a lotta money to buy good makeup
@@jambreakfast4341 a bad bluff perhaps.
Why is a guy watching makeup tutorials? The algorithm is trying to tell you something, trying to steer you back to the right direction.
whats with this qq fixation. all he needed was QX.