@@robyee3325 Aggressive players, balanced players, a ton of people actually. It is not abnormal to 3bet suited connectors and 1 gappers. This is how big pairs get cracked, more often than KK v AA when there is a call pre. KK v AA is more likely to get it all in pre. Your commentary suggests you are inexperienced and / or not very studied, which shouldn't be taken as an insult because this does not necessarily mean you are a losing player. Just that you play against worse people, and this is a very very very very normal play from Luda who literally loses money by being too aggressive. Sometimes the psycho aggro fish hits a hand and you have to pay it off because 70% of the time he is full of shit, but once in a while he is going to have an 8 here.
No, it was terrible. After calling the last preflop bet he had 30% of this stack already in the pot meaning that he crossed the commitment threshold already. Meaning that if he catches any part of the flop (any pair, any draw), he is basically committed. Doing that with 8 high is just absolutely terrible.
@@jacktse466 Back raising 86s, and then calling off a third of your stack to a massive 4 bet, leaving an SPR post flop of only about 1.2 is completely and utterly insane and ridiculous. My local 2/5 game has way tougher and more balanced players than those idiots on HCL.
It's how he plays! And stop saying how big the bet is. Luda plays regularly with bigger stacks and call off raises of bigger amount with mediocre hands. He just happened to be playing a smaller game and are not sitting with quarter mil.
I love how he tried to use Nik Airball calling with 4s as evidence he'd been previously cheated. That's a premium hand as far as Airball's concerned 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Airballz flops a set on him and that's evidence of cheating? 1/8 chance = cheating? If so, I've been cheated for years 12.5% of the time including all the trips players flopped on me. I quit. Lol
He did isolate, but he's used to people backing down to his bullying tactics at the lower stakes where he usually plays. Sitting behind $100K is posing for the cameras, he doesn't put that kind of scrip at risk on a regular basis. If you don't want a call, you don't just 3x a back raise, especially with AA, and certainly not at this game with PRO's/lunatics.
It’s not uncommon to see loose aggressive players play 8/6 suited. Then he flopped trips. Very understandable to keep betting at this point. If he bricked on the flop and GT raised him and he called or raised, then maybe that would be suspicious. I say maybe because some ppl will not let a hand go and go for a bluff. It just depends on the player
Lots of casinos have badbeat jackpots and they got cracked regularly, which is why there are so many people showing up for those promotions. Losing one pair is pretty far down on the totem of hands.
Calling a 19k raise with 86suited preflop when its a third of your stack isn't playing loose. Its calling when you know the flop. If you don't think a dealer can set that up, then you don't know what you are talking about.
I think a bit of what goes through Ludas mind is that with all the callers in the hand being weighted towards having higher cards a lot of his outs are going to be more live. So instead of 21.7 percent equity vs aces he might have more equity. Plus, when he calls off one pair he may beat out ak a small percentage of the time. Probably still bad but piping that high has benefits when it comes to getting paid in other hands.
Luda is okay getting involved here because he knows hes getting paid off if they have something strong and he's a gambler. He's calling here hoping someone has aces or kings. It's the whole point of deep stacked NL.
@@sgtthiccif you watched a player lose 100k in front of you are u gonna get mad at him or smile ? It’s awkward when a player is on tilt like that and u feel bad
I avoid any type of gambling unless I have a certain amount to lose and then I only bet that amount. All other cash is locked away from my control. This is a simple case of sore butt loser.
GTs 4 betting range is AA,KK and Luda knows it so in those situations against players like that you may play a hand that way knowing if you hit the flop your stacking them every time !
Believe me its way too obvious now u guys are human there no way u guys not noticing something bout hustler casino.. People will just simply say that hes a fish, he just tilted etc. but bro if u go to any casino poker room if u play 5-10 / 10-25 or higher stakes you would nver see a person calling 4 betting AA and someones gon call you 8 6 suited?! Cmon look you guys knw that luda and ryan have history and they used to be roommates and look how luda is smiling/smirking like hes knws exactly whats happening
There are a lot of other factors to the call. 1. The 4 bet is tad small (3.5 - 4.5x would be a better size) and he gave luda a nice price 2. Luda's stack to pot ratio is very good to play the hand post flop if he misses or catches a draw of some sorts, makes playing hands like AK, AQ (on a no pair flop) or pocket pairs to a single over very complex for GT cause even though the C-bet is expected like 80%+ after the 4 bet against the back raiser- a c-bet into luda jammin makes him almost committed to calling on a lot of flops, example if he had qq or jj and c-bet this flop for what he did and luda jams for 32k more its such an insanely tough spot getting 4-1 on the call. Or say for example the flop was instead k97. 3. It is a TV game and when the decision is close the players lean towards calling cause they want to get invited back. 4. The stand up game was on and GT was 1 of 2 people left, therefore his range is just always bigger than it normally would be. Knowing GT has AA yes its a bad call but if you give GT a bit more of a range its not that bad. Still probably is slightly negative EV but considering luda probably thinks he has an edge over GT it might be pretty damn close.@@alexdivano6407
@@alexdivano6407he literally Does this sht all the time and bluffs, and guess what… most of the time he loses. That’s the statistics of a loose aggressive play lmao
@@alexdivano6407 I play 5/10 and do this all the time. It's called bluffing. And sometimes your bluff ends up flopping a set. It happens. Cry about it all you want. Hell, I stacked someone with a rivered flush and he was talking to himself all the way to the door. Poker is a brutal game. You need thick skin.
Garret did get cheated 100. Right after the scandal Robbie was folding mid raises with KK and playing way different and now she stopped playing because she lost so much since she can’t cheat no more lol
Obviously GT is upset, but in relation to the hand and bet sizes Ludas play there is pretty typical of the way I've always seen him play. Sure most people may not call off that much money preflop with that hand, BUT Luda has done stuff like many times before and got lucky or unlucky, It's just Poker and the hand could have gone either way.
I can understand him being upset. I think he felt targeted and this type of situation happens to him often enough to be annoying at hcl. Either way losing sucks and Luda calling 18K pre flop with 8/6 is just dumb but it’s his money and he can gamble however he wants.
or that the casino is purposely rigging card distribution for set up hands and letting the inside player know. Its VERY hard to coordinate that but not impossible. Chris gets a "buzz" on his body and knows ts time to get aggressive and the hand is set up for him to scoop a big pot off a sucker they picked. GT feels like this keeps happening to him and he's been targeted in big pots that are unnatural
The amount of set up hands are crazy. Take note of the hands pre and imagine they all make it to the flop. Shuffler is rigged for action to make for better tv.
@@MissingWilsonwith the ranges some of these players play on this steam you are gonna see a lot of crazy hands. The winners are the ones who get lucky in those big hands and know when to fold when they are beat. This is why garret was doing so well . He always seemed to run hot but he was good at finding the fold in big spots
GT needs to watch all Luda play the last few years and then he will realize this is his typical playing method. GT got money but does not have the experience to learn to mock his top pairs. All amateur players learns these lesson over time. I just believe GT is releasing his steam. Best he takes a walk when he got stacked instead of thinking like Garrett. No body like a sore loser and it makes them look bad.
Um dude, Luda is Ryan Fedlman's roomamate, the guy who owns the show? Everyone does realize Nick Vertucci plays these games and it's not possible as where does he get the income from?
You all are crazy if you don’t think the fact that Luda and Ryan are “roommates “ and he wins a lot of sus hands is a coincidence? The one guy who can see everyone’s hole cards? Good luck with that. You go play then and give him your money. Bad look all around
Its 25/50 so are those two or three players not considered deep stacked? Those suited gappers are what you are supposed to see flops with when deep stacked correct? Maybe not?
It's kind of strange how these people, both dealers, producers and players.... who used to run the high-stakes-streams at "live@thebike", who got taken down because the police got involved... Seem to get themselves into this kind of sticky situation over and over again now that they have re-opened the enterprise at Hustler.
they were playng stakes 10x lower a year before and all of a sudden, not to mention calling a third of his stack with 86 ... also meanwhile magic: got to go
@@mouzzhe only called 13k with a 60k stack. He already put in 6k and decided to defend. That's 23% of his stack. We know how much of a gambler Luda is, so why is there even an allegation of cheating?
@@AlexDuvallhave you seen GMan's tweets re: Feldman and Luda and the situationat LATB. Take a good look. Even more interesting. Feldman then responds with a bunch of shit that had nothing to do with Garrett's accusation to deflect attention.
Can someone show me evidence of Luda ever calling a pre flop 4 bet with garbage before ? If not then there is definitely something here he doesn’t play like nik Airball where he plays any 2 cards Luda usually bluffs when he’s the aggressor he’s never calling of his money ..
Can be take a minute to address the real issue?! Someone give the cameraman a trophy!!! The smoothness of that doom zoom is world class! You’re my hero cameraman!!! 😂
I am not good at poker, but I am pretty sure my man had an 8 while two others were on the board so he decided to bet his money with a strong hand. How am I doing?
He should be grateful that Chris found it funny…there are players at this game who would politely ask him to stand up and go outside if they have their intergrity questioned.
thats what I was thinking. Those are serious allegations, at a table during play with the player still at the table. He probably should have called floor on GT for being out of line, acting like a dumbass and even the players next to him were telling him to calm down. When you cant beat the game, go somewhere else, dont cry at the table.
You can put any thing anywhere at anytime. I don't think you understand how EASY it is for a half decent card mechanic to do that. However, there is nothing to discuss here. Just a tilted man.
Casual poker players might not understand this but... regs will call 3 and 4 bets lighter because they know your range is very tight and they think they can navigate post flop better. Also, when you hit, you know the casual player is almost never folding the over pair. I don't think this hand looks too suspicious.
Exactly. My local game plays this exact way every week. Some people call off 2/3 of their stack and fold when they miss and then just add on and try again lol. It was with high probability that GT had AA AK or QQ so Luda took a flop hoping to hit the flop he did and if not he would have just folded lol. Simple in my mind. But what do I know. Oh and if GT really was told that stuff WHY WOULD HE EVER GO PLAY THERE LOL
don't know what's worse ludas preflop call that leaves him with only 47k left when the pot is already 40k or the fact that he didn't snap-call the with the aces.
GT is a baby in this hand. This is not any kind of weird outrageous hand. He just got tilted because his AA got cracked. Happened to me last week, lost my stack against the BB who flopped a random two pair. Sucks, but happens.
It just seems like he was mad and talking out of his ass. Like if he truly believes he was just cheated, why not call the floor/actually demand the dude is searched? Why not immediately sit out? If you truly believe you're being cheated, isn't it completely insane to keep playing while bitching & moaning about getting cheated? The only logical explanation to me is that he's the kind of person to just say mean, hateful, hurtful things when he's upset because he's upset and nothing else matters other than his feelings.
Look; right at 0:28. He decided to back raise his hand? You mean like the woman behind him pulling his hand behind him signalling 'hey, back raise that'. The woman is massaging signals into his play.
The Stand Up game had a massive part to play in this😂. He just thought he was light😅 and if Airball called with pocket 4's why not everybody's as with low pockets hoping to hit a set and clean up 😂😂😂
Luda gambled a small amount compared to opponents bankroll. He had four potential outcomes that would create a huge payout since his opponent most likely had AA or KK. Luda was looking for two pair, trips, flush, or a straight (very low chance for a boat). He hit one of them. GT failed to see that since he was fixated on his strong hand. The other issue that played into the situation is Luda's image of being a huge bluffer. Most people love to crush Luda but it can backfire like we witnessed here.
I think it's the way the action went that has him suspicious. Luda limps, GT puts in a big raise, Luda then back raises to 6k, GT goes 19k and Luda calls. With 86 suited. It is weird action but I don't really see cheating. I see an experienced player trying to push around a fish, had him on a range and then hit a flop. Is it a little fishy? I guess but man I've seen some weird stuff at tables lol. I would hope a casino would make sure the integrity is kept at all times during these games
He back raises with 8 High because he knows what's coming on the flop. Then he calls Triple size of his bet and then he milks the pocket aces for his entire stack. Yeah that's not a rigged hand at all. GT sniffed out a set up. Good on him for leaving the game.
I have been playing at Hustler for 20 years, at admittedly much lower stakes, usually the $40-$100 game. I have had so many bad beats over the years I sometimes wonder if the casino is out to get me. In the end though it is just horrible luck. It would be really hard to rig a game, even if they did want me to lose.
Is there a machine shuffling or is the deck shuffled by the dealer? Machines are known to produce action flops as dealers are literally trained to try and cut the deck in half which triggers the suckout hand.
@@mpup54 I guess so...okay gets to me pocket rockets Vince Van Patten you can start your BS alright 200 buyin 1/3 lemme pump this up to 20 bucks okay 3 callers no surprise there j62 rainbow alright perfect flop 80 in the pot lemme bet about 50 get ready for this turn jam hope they got AJ....okay 2 callers odd since the flop was complete garbage but okay let's see turns a 3 well if one of these morons flopped a set or hit some retarded 2 pair like they always do congrats but 130 left im all in fold good snap call and shown 45off with guy yelling NUTSSS!!! so drawing dead just another typical pocket aces hand for me wondering why I still play this game...I'm still waiting to WIN a pot w aces bigger than the blinds meanwhile this idiots just "shocked". 🤣
Priceless. Typical argument from players who are married to Aces and unable to fold. GT's accusation is typical of a sore lower. If played enough poker, suited hands like 86s are the best candidates to crack Aces because of deception. Well done Luda!!!
She is an airhead, regardless of what she did at the table. She doesnt even belong in a game with stakes that high because she hasnt earned those chops. The show is better without such an obvious, weak player.
Whether this particular hand was rigged or not, you have to be a fool to play on that stream and not think no one is trying to cheat you. There is basically a cheating scandal or accusation in or around this game every couple of months. If anything, it proves this stream is no longer worth watching. Just a bunch of bad players making bad plays in the name of fame or content or whatever. I really miss the Garrett days.
Remember mariano dealth with AA vs KK KK won half a million pot then after a week he dealth with straight flush vs andys a high flush won overv 400k. this just a bad beat for the aces nothing unusual.
When you get 3-bet with Aces and You don’t go all in, you deserve to get your AA cracked. 😂 this 🐠 went from winning $9K to losing $68K in that hand. 😅
I've watched Luda for a year and that's his style of play. Has that guy not play with him before? Luda plays lots of hand and "sometimes" he hits the gin card. Nothing to see here other than a guy gets pissed that he lost with aces.
Preflop betting was "little wild" from Luda, to say at least. Luck is always a factor in poker and Luda got it served. Post flop betting was reasonable. It is what it is. You win some, you loose some. But i dont believe that in long run such plays are profitable.
One time I lost a hand and I mentioned that the game was rigged. It came out from my mouth. I then later caught them cheating. And blackmailed them to give me back the money or I would tell everyone. So... When you get cheated your instincts knows but the other players do not because they are not involved. Garrett knew and GT knows.
Luda is good at poker. He knew he had aa KK. And the price was right to crack a hand like that with low sooted connectors. Shame on gt for disrespecting the integrity of the game
The problem is, imo, that there are 5 hands GT can have JJ QQ KK AA AK. After the turn 40% of those hands still beat Chris lucky flop. QQ probably gets ran after the river shove so he can only beat AA or AK. The other 2 hands beat him. I don't think he cheated but just throwing this out there
He says after the hand, I didn’t think you had AA, meaning he didn’t think he had a big pair. Luda is a loose fish that loses big and wins big like a roller coaster like most loose players
That doesn't make any sense tho. GT had a big initial raise and a big 4 bet to a weird back 3 bet. What would Luda put him on. GT only has a big pair here or AK.. if you're lucky AQ but doubt it. He just got really lucky with the 8s and still got lucky he was good there
Since there have been an up tick in news of dealers cheating in the poker world. There should be one camera zoomed in on the deck that the dealers are shuffling during games. Just so everyone can see it being shuffled correctly.
Alex duvall you are so off on your analysis. You owe Luda an apology for insinuating that he could be a cheater when even someone like Jeremy, who is often on the losing end of a bad beat, defends Luda's play as something that he does regularly.
Personally I don't think he was cheated but I don't doubt for one second Luda is a sketch ball. There's two scenarios in which Luda can sustain his shit play 1 he's ok playing horribly cause it's not his money and his backers are okay taking the swings with him or his backers are HCL and they cover his loses for better content.
I’ll say this. I think GT is taking probabilities personally. But… Nick vertucci says “this is the first time I’m hearing this” a couple minutes after saying we heard this an hour ago and “we could’ve muted the audio cause we already heard it” lololol. Definitely not being honest. I think GT is wrong here. But nick is also stretching the truth
Why is someone holding on to Luda standing over the table. If cards are marked its easier to read them standing up. In other games not even players still in a hand are allowed to stand. That other person shouldnt be at the table constantly touching another player. Are they are receiving info by the person rubbing them ?
So Luda would have to know what the flop would be. So the dealer was fixing the deck? And then Luda was getting a signal? Or it was simply good ole fashioned magic?
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It’s just a tilted bad player, Regular hand, aces get cracked all the time , nothing to discuss here , move on
@@robyee3325 Aggressive players, balanced players, a ton of people actually. It is not abnormal to 3bet suited connectors and 1 gappers. This is how big pairs get cracked, more often than KK v AA when there is a call pre. KK v AA is more likely to get it all in pre. Your commentary suggests you are inexperienced and / or not very studied, which shouldn't be taken as an insult because this does not necessarily mean you are a losing player. Just that you play against worse people, and this is a very very very very normal play from Luda who literally loses money by being too aggressive. Sometimes the psycho aggro fish hits a hand and you have to pay it off because 70% of the time he is full of shit, but once in a while he is going to have an 8 here.
@@robyee3325lol this happens a lot if you play a lot of live poker in loose games you see this shit regular
@@robyee3325 You do realize that 6-8s has more equity against AA than KK? Saying AA only gets cracked by KK is ridiculous.
HCL just wants a soap opera for the views. It works.
@@robyee3325this ain’t the 1950s crazy players like this at every table these days
This fish wants to talk about when his AA got crack but doesn’t want to talk when Luda called with J 5 against his KK, and He won that hand.
But how much did he win in? That hand played straight up. Did GT rays blue to call?See a flap and then fold we need more contacts
Its part of the scheme.. make the player think hes winning then pull the rug down the road
You didn’t watch until the end? It’s the fact dude is up 500k+ playing like that… something’s fishy
I'm not crazy about their tables but that's just straight-up sore loser melt down.
There’s clearly no cheating but it does go to show the well-deserves terrible reputation of the stream.
He's a doctor that has people's lives in his hand. He's an unstable nutjob.
Some of these people played with Postle and couldn't or wouldn't figure that out either. Postle had help from the inside.
@@burkhartlaw1clearly
@@TrevinoTrevino-wb4sq i thought postle was watching the live stream from his phone
Luda didnt call 19k, he called 13k in a pot that was already 27k, you can question his 3bet but it looks pretty standard for a loose player..
No, it was terrible. After calling the last preflop bet he had 30% of this stack already in the pot meaning that he crossed the commitment threshold already. Meaning that if he catches any part of the flop (any pair, any draw), he is basically committed. Doing that with 8 high is just absolutely terrible.
@@sylvainguinepain5624 he might be terrible but thats how he played, keep sitting in your 1-2 table wand wait for ur aces and kings
@@jacktse466 Back raising 86s, and then calling off a third of your stack to a massive 4 bet, leaving an SPR post flop of only about 1.2 is completely and utterly insane and ridiculous. My local 2/5 game has way tougher and more balanced players than those idiots on HCL.
@@brucet.3239They don’t care. This isn’t a poker game it’s a TV show. These guys have millions they don’t care at all about the “GTO Move”
It's how he plays! And stop saying how big the bet is. Luda plays regularly with bigger stacks and call off raises of bigger amount with mediocre hands. He just happened to be playing a smaller game and are not sitting with quarter mil.
I love how he tried to use Nik Airball calling with 4s as evidence he'd been previously cheated. That's a premium hand as far as Airball's concerned 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Airballz flops a set on him and that's evidence of cheating? 1/8 chance = cheating? If so, I've been cheated for years 12.5% of the time including all the trips players flopped on me. I quit. Lol
Dude knows very little about cash games and even less about Luda.
🤣😂
that's a savage comment re: Airball:)
Given he also said it was just after he topped up, being deeper is more reason you would call with 44.
Funny at first, then wait... he's really serious. Are you kidding me. Anyone beating you is cheating? Luda took it much better than I would.
I did notice he never offered to give the money back.
@burkhartlaw1 - As well he shouldn't have. He should've asked him to step outside.
i actually feel this way too, anyone who beats me at anything is a cheat
if i was the guy with AA i would have demanded my full money back
Lmao right? I'm looking to fight as soon as there's a smidgen of disrespect
He's lucky it was Luda and not someone like Jeff Lisandro; who'd take his head off.
As soon as there are multiple callers, I expect my Aces to get cracked.
Lol
Heads up post flop
He did isolate, but he's used to people backing down to his bullying tactics at the lower stakes where he usually plays. Sitting behind $100K is posing for the cameras, he doesn't put that kind of scrip at risk on a regular basis. If you don't want a call, you don't just 3x a back raise, especially with AA, and certainly not at this game with PRO's/lunatics.
what's wrong with 3x raise at 4 bet in position? It's already very large.@@joeashbubemma
What multiple callers?
GT wants that call all day from 86 suited. He just doesn't like the end results. If you can't take beats or whine about it don't play poker.
It hurts to get aces busted by a loose play. There is no denying that. But to be a sore looser is not acceptable. Don't invite him back.
It’s not uncommon to see loose aggressive players play 8/6 suited. Then he flopped trips. Very understandable to keep betting at this point. If he bricked on the flop and GT raised him and he called or raised, then maybe that would be suspicious. I say maybe because some ppl will not let a hand go and go for a bluff. It just depends on the player
Lots of casinos have badbeat jackpots and they got cracked regularly, which is why there are so many people showing up for those promotions. Losing one pair is pretty far down on the totem of hands.
*loser
Calling a 19k raise with 86suited preflop when its a third of your stack isn't playing loose. Its calling when you know the flop. If you don't think a dealer can set that up, then you don't know what you are talking about.
@@cwstewartjr1973 uh oh. Sad lad just lost some money online. Now he knows all about The Conspiracy.
My homie GT just got over tilted. Nothing to investigate. GT will apologize in a week when he has had some warm chicken curry 🍛
Your homie is a crybaby.
Yr homie is a chuti... lol But you're my hero.
lol, did u say curry? U called yourself a homie and you make a racist remark...not cool
@tonyboy92843 they're both Indian bro, Airball gets a pass.
Much like me when I make indian jokes, my wife is Indian so I get a pass😂
Would you play Mariano heads up?
Luda was ok with being checked because the masseuse was the one wearing the device.
😂
LOL
Hmmm 🧐🧐 I no that means something........
Top tier comment
leveling
I think a bit of what goes through Ludas mind is that with all the callers in the hand being weighted towards having higher cards a lot of his outs are going to be more live. So instead of 21.7 percent equity vs aces he might have more equity. Plus, when he calls off one pair he may beat out ak a small percentage of the time. Probably still bad but piping that high has benefits when it comes to getting paid in other hands.
Luda is okay getting involved here because he knows hes getting paid off if they have something strong and he's a gambler. He's calling here hoping someone has aces or kings. It's the whole point of deep stacked NL.
Watching somebody melt down like this is more sad than anything. If you can't afford to lose the money, DON'T Play!
@@sgtthiccif you watched a player lose 100k in front of you are u gonna get mad at him or smile ? It’s awkward when a player is on tilt like that and u feel bad
@@sgtthicc Oh jeeze. Your poor family. I bet you're very abusive.
I avoid any type of gambling unless I have a certain amount to lose and then I only bet that amount. All other cash is locked away from my control. This is a simple case of sore butt loser.
OMG Vertucci talking is the only thing more painful than the cheating accusations.
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
GTs 4 betting range is AA,KK and Luda knows it so in those situations against players like that you may play a hand that way knowing if you hit the flop your stacking them every time !
Why did Luda act so surprised when GT turned over AA?
Stand up game was in effect so GT’s range is a bit wider. He could have medium pocket pair, AJs+
probaby to make the fish feel better@@AlexDuvall
Calling 30% of your stack to be a 20% dog against any over-pair?
or maybe he expected AA to continue on the turn / snap him off on the river
Can we stop pretending that HCL isn't the ultimate shit show. Filled with cheats.
GT is completely out of line making baseless accusations with no evidence.
Believe me its way too obvious now u guys are human there no way u guys not noticing something bout hustler casino..
People will just simply say that hes a fish, he just tilted etc.
but bro if u go to any casino poker room if u play 5-10 / 10-25 or higher stakes you would nver see a person calling 4 betting AA and someones gon call you 8 6 suited?! Cmon look you guys knw that luda and ryan have history and they used to be roommates and look how luda is smiling/smirking like hes knws exactly whats happening
There are a lot of other factors to the call. 1. The 4 bet is tad small (3.5 - 4.5x would be a better size) and he gave luda a nice price 2. Luda's stack to pot ratio is very good to play the hand post flop if he misses or catches a draw of some sorts, makes playing hands like AK, AQ (on a no pair flop) or pocket pairs to a single over very complex for GT cause even though the C-bet is expected like 80%+ after the 4 bet against the back raiser- a c-bet into luda jammin makes him almost committed to calling on a lot of flops, example if he had qq or jj and c-bet this flop for what he did and luda jams for 32k more its such an insanely tough spot getting 4-1 on the call. Or say for example the flop was instead k97. 3. It is a TV game and when the decision is close the players lean towards calling cause they want to get invited back. 4. The stand up game was on and GT was 1 of 2 people left, therefore his range is just always bigger than it normally would be. Knowing GT has AA yes its a bad call but if you give GT a bit more of a range its not that bad. Still probably is slightly negative EV but considering luda probably thinks he has an edge over GT it might be pretty damn close.@@alexdivano6407
Agree
@@alexdivano6407he literally
Does this sht all the time and bluffs, and guess what… most of the time he loses. That’s the statistics of a loose aggressive play lmao
@@alexdivano6407 I play 5/10 and do this all the time. It's called bluffing. And sometimes your bluff ends up flopping a set. It happens. Cry about it all you want. Hell, I stacked someone with a rivered flush and he was talking to himself all the way to the door. Poker is a brutal game. You need thick skin.
Garret did get cheated 100. Right after the scandal Robbie was folding mid raises with KK and playing way different and now she stopped playing because she lost so much since she can’t cheat no more lol
Do they not scan them on the way in and out of the room like at the Lodge?
He thinks he's the only guy on earth that got his aces cracked
That wasn't his point. Nobody calls a third of their stack off with 86 in a 4bet pot. Not even fish in a 5 cent game are that dumb.
@@SPQR_14people go all in with 86 in a 4bet pot.
Obviously GT is upset, but in relation to the hand and bet sizes Ludas play there is pretty typical of the way I've always seen him play. Sure most people may not call off that much money preflop with that hand, BUT Luda has done stuff like many times before and got lucky or unlucky, It's just Poker and the hand could have gone either way.
I can understand him being upset. I think he felt targeted and this type of situation happens to him often enough to be annoying at hcl. Either way losing sucks and Luda calling 18K pre flop with 8/6 is just dumb but it’s his money and he can gamble however he wants.
What a whining baby! And frankly speaking unacceptable to accuse someone of cheating without any shred of proof
so the accusation is that Chris knows exactly what the runout will be? that's more than what Postle is accused of.
Postle??? You mean GOD!!!!
or that the casino is purposely rigging card distribution for set up hands and letting the inside player know.
Its VERY hard to coordinate that but not impossible. Chris gets a "buzz" on his body and knows ts time to get aggressive and the hand is set up for him to scoop a big pot off a sucker they picked.
GT feels like this keeps happening to him and he's been targeted in big pots that are unnatural
The amount of set up hands are crazy. Take note of the hands pre and imagine they all make it to the flop. Shuffler is rigged for action to make for better tv.
@@MissingWilsonwith the ranges some of these players play on this steam you are gonna see a lot of crazy hands. The winners are the ones who get lucky in those big hands and know when to fold when they are beat. This is why garret was doing so well . He always seemed to run hot but he was good at finding the fold in big spots
@@terriblebhop AA vs 88 vs 77 vs 910s on Ks8h7s is just standard ?
He called *BEFORE THE FLOP* no "beeping thing" can help you. If there was a "beeping thing" it woulda warned that *YOU HAD AA*
The claim is that they knew the flop somehow, obviously...
@@SPQR_14 that's not evidence. making things up is not evidence.
@@kimeli I didn't say it was evidence...
That’s his last time playing on Hcl lol
Seems likely
Probably won’t ever be invited back.😂
GT needs to watch all Luda play the last few years and then he will realize this is his typical playing method. GT got money but does not have the experience to learn to mock his top pairs. All amateur players learns these lesson over time. I just believe GT is releasing his steam. Best he takes a walk when he got stacked instead of thinking like Garrett. No body like a sore loser and it makes them look bad.
If someone accused me of cheating like that, I would demand that I be thoroughly checked and then demand that the guy makes a public apology.
Um dude, Luda is Ryan Fedlman's roomamate, the guy who owns the show? Everyone does realize Nick Vertucci plays these games and it's not possible as where does he get the income from?
GT does not realize how much luck is involved when playing poker. Bad players win too.
Like GT? ok not very often
You all are crazy if you don’t think the fact that Luda and Ryan are “roommates “ and he wins a lot of sus hands is a coincidence? The one guy who can see everyone’s hole cards? Good luck with that. You go play then and give him your money. Bad look all around
Its 25/50 so are those two or three players not considered deep stacked? Those suited gappers are what you are supposed to see flops with when deep stacked correct? Maybe not?
It's kind of strange how these people, both dealers, producers and players.... who used to run the high-stakes-streams at "live@thebike", who got taken down because the police got involved... Seem to get themselves into this kind of sticky situation over and over again now that they have re-opened the enterprise at Hustler.
they were playng stakes 10x lower a year before and all of a sudden, not to mention calling a third of his stack with 86 ... also meanwhile magic: got to go
interesting
@@mouzzhe only called 13k with a 60k stack. He already put in 6k and decided to defend. That's 23% of his stack. We know how much of a gambler Luda is, so why is there even an allegation of cheating?
@@AlexDuvallhave you seen GMan's tweets re: Feldman and Luda and the situationat LATB. Take a good look. Even more interesting.
Feldman then responds with a bunch of shit that had nothing to do with Garrett's accusation to deflect attention.
@@mouzz Is Magic the blonde female dealer that dealt that hand? Or maybe you just weren't paying attention.
Can someone show me evidence of Luda ever calling a pre flop 4 bet with garbage before ? If not then there is definitely something here he doesn’t play like nik Airball where he plays any 2 cards Luda usually bluffs when he’s the aggressor he’s never calling of his money ..
Can be take a minute to address the real issue?! Someone give the cameraman a trophy!!! The smoothness of that doom zoom is world class! You’re my hero cameraman!!! 😂
I am not good at poker, but I am pretty sure my man had an 8 while two others were on the board so he decided to bet his money with a strong hand. How am I doing?
Should jam pre save urself the accusations
He did 4bet
Not 4bet jam
He 3 bet not 4
@@Stardustbasically nah luda 3 bet then gt 4 bet
@@benjaminlim7494 6k to 19k is 3x bet sir .. your math is off
1st rule on poker: don't play with money you can't afford to lose
He should be grateful that Chris found it funny…there are players at this game who would politely ask him to stand up and go outside if they have their intergrity questioned.
I'm from the D and there is a lot of these foreign cryazzes like gt. Fkem
thats what I was thinking. Those are serious allegations, at a table during play with the player still at the table. He probably should have called floor on GT for being out of line, acting like a dumbass and even the players next to him were telling him to calm down. When you cant beat the game, go somewhere else, dont cry at the table.
1:22 Maybe he's getting the "signal" from the masseuse. A press on the shoulder means check, a press on the back of neck jams.
She counts the cards 😅 lol
The fact that he thinks they can miraculously put 88 in the flip is nuts
There are many card mechanics who are capable of that, no problem at all.
You have no clue as to what you are talking about if you believe a dealer can't do that
You can put any thing anywhere at anytime. I don't think you understand how EASY it is for a half decent card mechanic to do that. However, there is nothing to discuss here. Just a tilted man.
That can easily be done
Is this guy so out of touch? This stuff happens everyday of the week and twice on the weekends at every card house in the country
Casual poker players might not understand this but... regs will call 3 and 4 bets lighter because they know your range is very tight and they think they can navigate post flop better. Also, when you hit, you know the casual player is almost never folding the over pair. I don't think this hand looks too suspicious.
Exactly. My local game plays this exact way every week. Some people call off 2/3 of their stack and fold when they miss and then just add on and try again lol. It was with high probability that GT had AA AK or QQ so Luda took a flop hoping to hit the flop he did and if not he would have just folded lol. Simple in my mind. But what do I know. Oh and if GT really was told that stuff WHY WOULD HE EVER GO PLAY THERE LOL
“You’re not picked for that treatment” LMAO
don't know what's worse ludas preflop call that leaves him with only 47k left when the pot is already 40k or the fact that he didn't snap-call the with the aces.
GT is a baby in this hand. This is not any kind of weird outrageous hand. He just got tilted because his AA got cracked. Happened to me last week, lost my stack against the BB who flopped a random two pair. Sucks, but happens.
GT said he was warned not to play in the game and he still came? The Fault lies with him.
It just seems like he was mad and talking out of his ass. Like if he truly believes he was just cheated, why not call the floor/actually demand the dude is searched? Why not immediately sit out? If you truly believe you're being cheated, isn't it completely insane to keep playing while bitching & moaning about getting cheated? The only logical explanation to me is that he's the kind of person to just say mean, hateful, hurtful things when he's upset because he's upset and nothing else matters other than his feelings.
Exactly.
Look; right at 0:28.
He decided to back raise his hand? You mean like the woman behind him pulling his hand behind him signalling 'hey, back raise that'.
The woman is massaging signals into his play.
The Stand Up game had a massive part to play in this😂. He just thought he was light😅 and if Airball called with pocket 4's why not everybody's as with low pockets hoping to hit a set and clean up 😂😂😂
If anything until nik airball says someone is cheating on hustler then everything else is invalid
Gt should not be playing those stakes Its clearly too much money for him
Luda gambled a small amount compared to opponents bankroll. He had four potential outcomes that would create a huge payout since his opponent most likely had AA or KK. Luda was looking for two pair, trips, flush, or a straight (very low chance for a boat). He hit one of them. GT failed to see that since he was fixated on his strong hand. The other issue that played into the situation is Luda's image of being a huge bluffer. Most people love to crush Luda but it can backfire like we witnessed here.
He said to search him where the sun doesn't shine and Chris agreed to it.
Luda has had Ryan Feldman search him there many times. 👀
what's the definition of "Gambling" again?
Do they have technology to scan the whole deck or just the card readers ? If they can scan the deck in the dealers hand then that's fucked
people used to get shot accusing people of cheating. BS suited one gapper I see this happen. Not j4 off not even close
I think it's the way the action went that has him suspicious. Luda limps, GT puts in a big raise, Luda then back raises to 6k, GT goes 19k and Luda calls. With 86 suited. It is weird action but I don't really see cheating. I see an experienced player trying to push around a fish, had him on a range and then hit a flop. Is it a little fishy? I guess but man I've seen some weird stuff at tables lol. I would hope a casino would make sure the integrity is kept at all times during these games
If it was Mike Postle I would have believed it, but it’s Luda!
He back raises with 8 High because he knows what's coming on the flop. Then he calls Triple size of his bet and then he milks the pocket aces for his entire stack. Yeah that's not a rigged hand at all. GT sniffed out a set up. Good on him for leaving the game.
And HCL knew to deal GT AA also? What size is your tinfoil hat?
If you play enough poker you’ve seen this same type of hand play out almost weekly.
Why don’t you present the evidence you have instead of making unfounded claims
Wtf 😂
I have been playing at Hustler for 20 years, at admittedly much lower stakes, usually the $40-$100 game. I have had so many bad beats over the years I sometimes wonder if the casino is out to get me. In the end though it is just horrible luck. It would be really hard to rig a game, even if they did want me to lose.
Calling of 1/3 of your stack on 86 suited after your bluff got raised is extremely sus.
I lost an all in playing 5/10 cent. I had a set. He had a bigger set. I think I was cheated. Is this chess or poker.
Nick Vertucci is apparently Ben Shapiro's slower brother.😂
Is there a machine shuffling or is the deck shuffled by the dealer? Machines are known to produce action flops as dealers are literally trained to try and cut the deck in half which triggers the suckout hand.
it's a machine that was my first thought too
There is a machine shuffling they do not hand shuffle at HCL@BosnianRasta
nonsense, you haven't a clue what you're talking about
If my Aces DON'T get cracked by some BS I think there's something wrong.
you must have been morning playing 2-4 at the Flamingo
@@mpup54 I guess so...okay gets to me pocket rockets Vince Van Patten you can start your BS alright 200 buyin 1/3 lemme pump this up to 20 bucks okay 3 callers no surprise there j62 rainbow alright perfect flop 80 in the pot lemme bet about 50 get ready for this turn jam hope they got AJ....okay 2 callers odd since the flop was complete garbage but okay let's see turns a 3 well if one of these morons flopped a set or hit some retarded 2 pair like they always do congrats but 130 left im all in fold good snap call and shown 45off with guy yelling NUTSSS!!! so drawing dead just another typical pocket aces hand for me wondering why I still play this game...I'm still waiting to WIN a pot w aces bigger than the blinds meanwhile this idiots just "shocked". 🤣
Priceless. Typical argument from players who are married to Aces and unable to fold. GT's accusation is typical of a sore lower. If played enough poker, suited hands like 86s are the best candidates to crack Aces because of deception. Well done Luda!!!
Once the lady obv cheated with her J high hand and they still denied it . They lost all credibility.
She is an airhead, regardless of what she did at the table. She doesnt even belong in a game with stakes that high because she hasnt earned those chops. The show is better without such an obvious, weak player.
oh this is the same spot where the other lady obviously cheated
This looks pretty normal… it’s a bad flop.
He has connectors. It’s the best hand vs. Aces.
Whether this particular hand was rigged or not, you have to be a fool to play on that stream and not think no one is trying to cheat you. There is basically a cheating scandal or accusation in or around this game every couple of months. If anything, it proves this stream is no longer worth watching. Just a bunch of bad players making bad plays in the name of fame or content or whatever. I really miss the Garrett days.
Imagine playing poker at this level and still being surprised when your aces don’t hold up every time
You didn’t watch until the end? It’s the fact dude is up 500k+ playing like that… something’s fishy
NL Holdem is a scam itself😢
Remember mariano dealth with AA vs KK KK won half a million pot then after a week he dealth with straight flush vs andys a high flush won overv 400k. this just a bad beat for the aces nothing unusual.
Nothing strange about the hand. Just luck.
Lost with AA and thinks everyone is in on it LMAO
Such a whiner. Go play online and watch the craziest shit ever.
When you get 3-bet with Aces and You don’t go all in, you deserve to get your AA cracked. 😂 this 🐠 went from winning $9K to losing $68K in that hand. 😅
Dumbest fish donkey take ever.. AA has a 83% chance to win wether you go all in pre flop or just slow play vs 1 opp
luda is well known for calling hands that I personally would auto fold,, just his style
I've watched Luda for a year and that's his style of play. Has that guy not play with him before? Luda plays lots of hand and "sometimes" he hits the gin card. Nothing to see here other than a guy gets pissed that he lost with aces.
Yep. He plays 8/6 hard. He has a hard on for that hand.
Preflop betting was "little wild" from Luda, to say at least. Luck is always a factor in poker and Luda got it served. Post flop betting was reasonable. It is what it is. You win some, you loose some. But i dont believe that in long run such plays are profitable.
Soooooo what would GTs reaction have been if Chris had pocket kings there? Pocket JJs or pocket 77s
This happens to me twice a day on pokerstars.
and no one cares in the least... this is not about you
luda chris does the same with alot off games, opponents get high pairs n lue gets a set too many times on river
I've been watching Luda play for awhile. He's loose aggressive player. He's not cheating for sure.
has there ever been evidence of people cheated playing on stream or video?
looks standard to me
One time I lost a hand and I mentioned that the game was rigged. It came out from my mouth. I then later caught them cheating. And blackmailed them to give me back the money or I would tell everyone. So... When you get cheated your instincts knows but the other players do not because they are not involved. Garrett knew and GT knows.
imagine sitting there telling poor j boggs that its rigged because he got his aa cracked🤣🤣 he gets that done 3 times a night!
isnt this the same place Mike Postle, and that lady cheated at?
If you can't accept losing,don't gamble.
86s calling 380bb without position(thats does not matter) 4b for 33% of his stack. WTF ?!
Luda is good at poker. He knew he had aa KK. And the price was right to crack a hand like that with low sooted connectors. Shame on gt for disrespecting the integrity of the game
The problem is, imo, that there are 5 hands GT can have JJ QQ KK AA AK. After the turn 40% of those hands still beat Chris lucky flop. QQ probably gets ran after the river shove so he can only beat AA or AK. The other 2 hands beat him. I don't think he cheated but just throwing this out there
He says after the hand, I didn’t think you had AA, meaning he didn’t think he had a big pair. Luda is a loose fish that loses big and wins big like a roller coaster like most loose players
That doesn't make any sense tho. GT had a big initial raise and a big 4 bet to a weird back 3 bet. What would Luda put him on. GT only has a big pair here or AK.. if you're lucky AQ but doubt it. He just got really lucky with the 8s and still got lucky he was good there
Lol...He's good, puts him on AA or "KK" shoves with a K88 board.
Since there have been an up tick in news of dealers cheating in the poker world. There should be one camera zoomed in on the deck that the dealers are shuffling during games. Just so everyone can see it being shuffled correctly.
That's not a cheating allegation, it's just a tilted player who lost.
I definitely know the feeling, I can empathise
no one cares, this is not about you@@slowfuse
Bro out there scamming himself
Alex duvall you are so off on your analysis. You owe Luda an apology for insinuating that he could be a cheater when even someone like Jeremy, who is often on the losing end of a bad beat, defends Luda's play as something that he does regularly.
The question remains: Are Luda Chris and Ryan Feldman still roommates?
Luda was banned from LATB.
why?
I mean look short stack 4 betting preflop on 86 is absurd, but Ive seen a plenty of plays like that.....
Personally I don't think he was cheated but I don't doubt for one second Luda is a sketch ball. There's two scenarios in which Luda can sustain his shit play 1 he's ok playing horribly cause it's not his money and his backers are okay taking the swings with him or his backers are HCL and they cover his loses for better content.
Those are actually far more likely scenerios than what GT is accusing them of.
I’ll say this. I think GT is taking probabilities personally. But…
Nick vertucci says “this is the first time I’m hearing this” a couple minutes after saying we heard this an hour ago and “we could’ve muted the audio cause we already heard it” lololol. Definitely not being honest.
I think GT is wrong here. But nick is also stretching the truth
Why is someone holding on to Luda standing over the table. If cards are marked its easier to read them standing up. In other games not even players still in a hand are allowed to stand. That other person shouldnt be at the table constantly touching another player. Are they are receiving info by the person rubbing them ?
Search the massager . Watch how she checks out the table. To the right and then the left after the cards are delt. Just watch her.
She counts the cards lol😅
So Luda would have to know what the flop would be. So the dealer was fixing the deck? And then Luda was getting a signal? Or it was simply good ole fashioned magic?