Thank you for these videos! I first found you several years ago when I was new to mixing and had just bought an XR18. Now that I have upgraded to the Wing - thanks to your demonstrations and recommendations, your videos are a great resource!
Cool video, I got a couple questions: 1. It’s quite common in worship sets to have different people singing lead. if you need to go back into a group to make a level change, would you do that on the individual channel or sends on fader to make that volume adjustment? 2. Once you’re able to get the subgroups to Unity, would you then promote them into DCA’s, and mix from there, in order to keep fader resolution on the groups?
Toggeling between the Mute/Unmute for the Parallel Comp busses really emphasizes the thickness that these busses add. Thank you for sharing. Can you do a video on the behind the scenes patching for stereo inputs into one fader channel, rather than the old school of linking to mono channels?
This is great, thank you! Questioin though - is it worth putting a bass guitar on it's own bus by itself? Why is that, and why can't you just compress it without the bus like you did with the bus?
Thanks Drew … please in the case where the wing is feeding monitors as well and you are limited to working with a drum,drum//,vocals and all band.. how will you compress the all band subgroup and what instruments will you send to the all band subgroup… Thanks 🙏🏾
Thanks a lot for the video!! It helps me A LOT I have a question though, how do you use your DCAs when to you use subgroups? I see subgroups can include and do things that DCAs do (control volumes). Then when do you, as a professional that I would love to hear the experience/advice from, utilize DCAs?
Drew, with the new firmware (3.x) update is there a reason I am missing that I shouldn't use my 8 matrix as subgroups or 8 matrix as monitor sends? looks like after the new firmware a matrix is identical to a bux now but I feel like I might be missing something.
Drew what does doing this but forgrtting to select subgroup essentially do? We have this setup but are not understanding the Tap Point Post and Sub Group
thanks for your videos Drew, they are very helpful. quick (hopefully) question, is it possible to send a dca or group to a bus (mixing for livestream)?
Thanks for the video! However, I still don't get the difference between the regular Bus and the Subgroup. They both seem to have the same benefits. Or, do I understand correctly, that in case of Subs, channels' sygnal gos there after compressors and other iserts, and in case of Buses, the sygnal goes into bus BEFORE being compressed on its own channel?
what is the reason of sending instruments to bus rather than sending straight to main LR? Especially for single instruments like bass or keys. Any EQ, compressor or other FX could be applied strainght on the channel without bus processing. The only benefit I can see - is stage processing - 2 compressors 1 after another instead just 1.
Thank you for this informative video. I'm new at this and the step by stem helps a lot. We use a pedal steel guitar, so would this be singled out or with Electric Guitars?
I can't tell how many time I've watched this video. Problem, when I look at the Subgroups I don't have an option to send to Main L/R. I have a Bus and Matrix display. Thinking the InPut Source/Send are the cause. Ant thoughts will help.
I noticed you main LR had compressor which you never mentioned, any special work on it? Also i like the widening of the mix for the sub buss mix but i was expecting more distinct production from the audio production any way nice ideas ✌️
From his website on x32, which I assume is the same "Sub Group - This tap is the same as Post Fader where everything on the channel is affected, however instead of having an adjustable level, it sends the signal at +0.0dB to the mixbus and copies the pan control from the channel."
Great question, the main difference between a DCA and a Subgroup, is the that DCA does not sum the audio together. It is only a remote control to the inputs assigned to that DCA. A subgroup sums all of the audio. You can insert a EQ, Compressor, etc on a subgroup, but not on a DCA. Hope this helps!
Many choose to keep them separate because there is a fairly significant difference in the frequency ranges they cover in a typical mix. For example, in my mixes I have sometimes (but not currently) grouped the kick drum and base in the same subgroup. Thos may not be wise for other reasons, but does serve to illustrate my point here.
As someone who has never really used subgroups, this was incredibly helpful. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for these videos! I first found you several years ago when I was new to mixing and had just bought an XR18. Now that I have upgraded to the Wing - thanks to your demonstrations and recommendations, your videos are a great resource!
Thank you Drew for all your helpful videos! Learning a lot :-)
Would love to see recommended video on ways using external processors/fx. I have ways but not sure if they are optimal. Your format is really great.
Drew, another dope experiment shown on the parallel vs subgroups
Cool video, I got a couple questions:
1. It’s quite common in worship sets to have different people singing lead. if you need to go back into a group to make a level change, would you do that on the individual channel or sends on fader to make that volume adjustment?
2. Once you’re able to get the subgroups to Unity, would you then promote them into DCA’s, and mix from there, in order to keep fader resolution on the groups?
Toggeling between the Mute/Unmute for the Parallel Comp busses really emphasizes the thickness that these busses add. Thank you for sharing. Can you do a video on the behind the scenes patching for stereo inputs into one fader channel, rather than the old school of linking to mono channels?
Is this jack useful for mixing and modifying audio in Pro Tools? 9:34
This is great, thank you! Questioin though - is it worth putting a bass guitar on it's own bus by itself? Why is that, and why can't you just compress it without the bus like you did with the bus?
Thank you Drew
Sorry Drew, they really screwed something up in the latest firmware updates, the page where you select Buss Mode, Subgroups is no longer there.
Thanks Drew … please in the case where the wing is feeding monitors as well and you are limited to working with a drum,drum//,vocals and all band.. how will you compress the all band subgroup and what instruments will you send to the all band subgroup… Thanks 🙏🏾
Thanks a lot for the video!! It helps me A LOT
I have a question though, how do you use your DCAs when to you use subgroups? I see subgroups can include and do things that DCAs do (control volumes). Then when do you, as a professional that I would love to hear the experience/advice from, utilize DCAs?
Drew, with the new firmware (3.x) update is there a reason I am missing that I shouldn't use my 8 matrix as subgroups or 8 matrix as monitor sends? looks like after the new firmware a matrix is identical to a bux now but I feel like I might be missing something.
I have the same question
Drew what does doing this but forgrtting to select subgroup essentially do? We have this setup but are not understanding the Tap Point Post and Sub Group
thanks for your videos Drew, they are very helpful. quick (hopefully) question, is it possible to send a dca or group to a bus (mixing for livestream)?
By changing the bus to a subgroup doesn’t that reduce your allowable mix buses to monitors?
Drew I’m confused so you have master LR. Where is your master for subs?
Yes please someone answer this I’ve been trying to figure this out
Could you make a diagram expanded to show how the the main busses relate to a Matrix?
Thanks for the video! However, I still don't get the difference between the regular Bus and the Subgroup. They both seem to have the same benefits. Or, do I understand correctly, that in case of Subs, channels' sygnal gos there after compressors and other iserts, and in case of Buses, the sygnal goes into bus BEFORE being compressed on its own channel?
Can you use the aux Busses as subgroup
what is the reason of sending instruments to bus rather than sending straight to main LR? Especially for single instruments like bass or keys. Any EQ, compressor or other FX could be applied strainght on the channel without bus processing. The only benefit I can see - is stage processing - 2 compressors 1 after another instead just 1.
How do you avoid distortion issues with the compressor?
Drew is there a way to send the bus to waves super rack for processing and then back to the wing ?
Thank you for this informative video. I'm new at this and the step by stem helps a lot. We use a pedal steel guitar, so would this be singled out or with Electric Guitars?
Hey Drew, how would I send my main to a matrix to be used for a livestream, based on this subgroup video?? Thks
When running sub separate fromLR. When sub grouping drums, bass etc how does it hit the sub again if I turn off LR and Sub at channels for subgroups?
I can't tell how many time I've watched this video. Problem, when I look at the Subgroups I don't have an option to send to Main L/R. I have a Bus and Matrix display. Thinking the InPut Source/Send are the cause. Ant thoughts will help.
I noticed you main LR had compressor which you never mentioned, any special work on it?
Also i like the widening of the mix for the sub buss mix but i was expecting more distinct production from the audio production any way nice ideas ✌️
I guess this ideas is more like mixing in a daw but on a console😁 nice one.
will this add delay to the signal?
What's the difference between the bus modes "post" and "subgroup"?
Exactly my question! 😉
I don't think he knows the answer :)
From his website on x32, which I assume is the same "Sub Group - This tap is the same as Post Fader where everything on the channel is affected, however instead of having an adjustable level, it sends the signal at +0.0dB to the mixbus and copies the pan control from the channel."
Thank you sir Drew but sir I have to be a FOH mix engineer before I can do it sir?
any difference when using DCA and Subgroups
Great question, the main difference between a DCA and a Subgroup, is the that DCA does not sum the audio together. It is only a remote control to the inputs assigned to that DCA. A subgroup sums all of the audio. You can insert a EQ, Compressor, etc on a subgroup, but not on a DCA.
Hope this helps!
Why use a subgroup when I can use a bus and send individual sends to it, and then do the same.
Why wouldn’t you have guitars and bass together as a band bus?
And piano
Many choose to keep them separate because there is a fairly significant difference in the frequency ranges they cover in a typical mix. For example, in my mixes I have sometimes (but not currently) grouped the kick drum and base in the same subgroup. Thos may not be wise for other reasons, but does serve to illustrate my point here.
nice thx ;-)
21:30 what a fat sounding snare, beutiful!
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Love these videos, Thanks. If you know of any feature update in firmware (or products) PLEASE Share. 😁🤝🤘🎙🎛🎚🎵🎼🎶🎧