Lee, a huge thanks for this video! We recently purchased the Wing and have had some struggles with it but seeing this video and being able to get your template it will surely make our job a lot easier! Bless!
Oh this wasn’t even the half of them, there’s several EQ and Compression emulations all built in to each channel. It’s a little absurd to have this much power.
29:53 This is awesome! The production of the video is amazing! The mix sounds phenomenal! It’s just an amazing video!! Now my question that I time stamped. How do I figure out how much latency is added when running FX inserts? And is the amount of latency that is added determined on what fx you are inserting? Just trying to wrap my head around this.
@@pastoraronmartinez47 thank you so much! Yes, you can use this for a live stream set up! All you would need to do is set up an extra output on your Wing and plug it into your streaming hardware. If you have anymore questions, email me! Shop@leebataller.com
We don’t tune to a frequency, just a good balance of tone and resonance while being pitch matched around the drum. Kick - Evan’s EMAD 2 Snare - Powerstroke P4 Coated Toms - Emperor Coated
@@alexleebataller okay gotcha! With this template There are enough busses left over to send stereo iem busses correct? Curious what your iems sound like with this template
@@stephenbates7179 yeah, I left the first 8 busses open for crews that use busses for IEM. You could use this template for that case and they would sound great!
It has no business sounding this good on that console. Fantastic job brother. Clearly you guys did a good job capturing everything. The only question I have is did I miss where there's some type of saturation on the lead vocal? There's a little distortion and it almost sounds like something's overdriven but in a really good way. Once again, great job. I rarely have anything nice to say these days with Church audio guys😂
Thanks so much man! There’s no direct saturation effect happening anywhere but the 1176 compressor definitely adds some nice harmonic grit. I could imagine that, along with the Distressor parallel bus might be what you’re hearing!
Amazing work man. I went back and listened to your video from a year ago and it’s awesome to see how you’ve improved! 🎉 Making me want to pick up this board.
Maybe it’s just me, but it sounds like alike you have tremendous compression that’s bringing up the noise floor. All I hear is a massive wash of background noise. Maybe I’m wrong.
Hey Lee. Great mix. Thanks for the Video. One question, why do you “waste” a bus and an fx slot for your dry wet buses. Why not just use the dry wet percentage on the compressor? Let’s say all the drum channels on a bus, there you insert the smash compressor and set the mix to 25%? Or do you eq them differently? Thank you Felix
Great video and mix! I saw you mention that this is for FOH. What do you do for your broadcast mix? Do you have another Wing or do you just mix out from FOH?
Lee, I was interested to see you manually adding delay for insert compensation...i thought the wing (and other digital consoles) automatically had delay compensation built in?
thanks for another video Lee. Hey on the guitar panning tip, I think using the tilt feature on the wing would accomplish the exact same thing that you are doing and allowing you to go back to one channel strip per guitar. Im not talking about the tilt EQ but the tilt pan which compensates one way or the other to the left or right channel of a stereo pair. Its not a pan, but takes away gain from one side or the other. Also I think you mentioned, but on all of your vocal channels, are you unassigning them from all the main outputs and having only the reverbs and delays assigned to the main outputs? Thanks.
Great Work! Congratulations! Can You kindly say how did you conect the Mac to the console for multitrack mixing? Is it through built-in USB connection? Dante? Ethernet? Best!!
I have a question for you, did you run into any issues updating from 1.12ish to 2.0? I looking for resources on how to back up our routing and everything in case something happens. Anything I should be thinking about going from 1.12 to 2.0 should I go to 2.1?
The library and FX setting recall has been entirely reworked. I would save any main effects or routing as a back up on another drive, but your scenes and library shouldn't be entirely wiped.
We started recording tracks and playing em back for training new people on our team. It should be possible over USB, but since we’re also live streaming we decided to use Dante. In the future we’d also like to use it for the band during rehearsal, so they can configure their in-ear mixes without playing.
The mix sounds fantastic and you've definitely given me a couple of ideas to try on my Wing! Also, having Brady on your staff I would imagine helps you tremendously in terms of making sure everything sounds good at the source. One thing I will point out (and there's a TH-camr by the name of Guillaume Lortie that explores this more in depth) is that the Pitch Fix plugin doesn't work the way that traditional AutoTune works (that'd be too convenient lol). By highlighting a note red, Pitch Fix does not pull a note to the nearest available note on one side of it or the other like AutoTune would. Instead, you're telling Pitch Fix which notes to pull to the grid and which ones to simply ignore (i.e. the note highlighted red would not be corrected at all). Ideally you would want to run Pitch Fix "chromatic" where it would pull everything to the nearest note. You would highlight a note red if there's a note that needs to be ignored because it's consistently doing more harm than good.
Great video, thanks so much! Quick question, why do you not have an empty FX insert on the vocal dry bus like you did on the drum dry bus to help for the delay compensation? Does the Pitch Fix FX on the vocal channels not introduce latency?
Thank you! Yes, Pitch Fix does introduce latency, but each vocal has the same processing, therefore delaying in time together into each bus. Vocal channels are sends only into the busses, which then are sent to Master. Hope this explains!
@@alexleebataller Awesome, thank you!! Could you maybe quickly expand on the delay compensation you did to the drum channels that don't have an insert on them, that stuff is still confusing me a bit. Are you doing that to only the drum channels or to every channel in the entire mix(guitars, vocals etc.) that doesn't have an insert on them?
@@alexleebataller Actually I think I get it now. You're just adding the delay compensation to any channel within it's own subgroup, like the drums, that doesn't have an insert on them so that they're in time with the other channels that do have inserts by the time they hit the drum subgroup bus?
Your training skills are on point. You made it about the content and not about being flashy. I really like that.
Lee, a huge thanks for this video! We recently purchased the Wing and have had some struggles with it but seeing this video and being able to get your template it will surely make our job a lot easier! Bless!
That’s awesome hear!
You did a great job man!!!! Sounds incredible!!!! Blessings :)
Eeeeeeish Mahn, ❤❤❤❤. You are a gentleman to share this... Blessings tobyou Sir... salute 🙏
Tight band solid mix! 🤙🏾
Appreciate it!
Those Numans VOX mics just are the cherry on top
They really are worth the hype 🔥
your mix is 🔥🔥🔥
Thank you so much!
@@alexleebataller ❤
i got the waves LV1 , now i feel like getting the WIng. never expect so much plugins as compared to my M32s
Oh this wasn’t even the half of them, there’s several EQ and Compression emulations all built in to each channel. It’s a little absurd to have this much power.
Thank you so much for this very helpful video! I had no idea the Wing could run tuning plug-ins within the desk itself! Not even the SQ can do that!
29:53 This is awesome! The production of the video is amazing! The mix sounds phenomenal! It’s just an amazing video!! Now my question that I time stamped. How do I figure out how much latency is added when running FX inserts? And is the amount of latency that is added determined on what fx you are inserting? Just trying to wrap my head around this.
this is 😍
I just bought it, any idea to send it to live stream?
@@pastoraronmartinez47 thank you so much! Yes, you can use this for a live stream set up! All you would need to do is set up an extra output on your Wing and plug it into your streaming hardware. If you have anymore questions, email me! Shop@leebataller.com
can you give frequency that y'all tune your drums to and what heads y'all are using?
We don’t tune to a frequency, just a good balance of tone and resonance while being pitch matched around the drum.
Kick - Evan’s EMAD 2
Snare - Powerstroke P4 Coated
Toms - Emperor Coated
Dude, this sounds phenomenal! Question for your template, are the in ears post dynamics and pre fader? also how many buses did you have set up?
@@stephenbates7179 this template doesn’t have any IEM busses set up but you would want to make sure they’re set up as pre-fader!
@@alexleebataller okay gotcha! With this template There are enough busses left over to send stereo iem busses correct? Curious what your iems sound like with this template
@@stephenbates7179 yeah, I left the first 8 busses open for crews that use busses for IEM. You could use this template for that case and they would sound great!
в мене х32, уявляю що берин в віні наворотили!
Your musicians are SO GOOD! I love your approach to the stringed instruments! So well done!
Thank you!
It has no business sounding this good on that console. Fantastic job brother. Clearly you guys did a good job capturing everything. The only question I have is did I miss where there's some type of saturation on the lead vocal? There's a little distortion and it almost sounds like something's overdriven but in a really good way. Once again, great job. I rarely have anything nice to say these days with Church audio guys😂
Thanks so much man! There’s no direct saturation effect happening anywhere but the 1176 compressor definitely adds some nice harmonic grit. I could imagine that, along with the Distressor parallel bus might be what you’re hearing!
@@alexleebataller It's the distressor. I forgot you were doing that.
That mix sounded AWESOME ...Great job
Thank you!
Perfect timing.
Question, was this only for the recording or also used for the in house mixing?
@@itsdycmusic it’s mainly optimized for house or live stream mixing!
Woah, this mix sounds incredible! The sources are also incredible!
I always double mono pan on high demand tracks, I'm so happy this unit had motorized faders
Amazing work man. I went back and listened to your video from a year ago and it’s awesome to see how you’ve improved! 🎉
Making me want to pick up this board.
Thank you!
Love how y’all got it right at the source! Can’t polish✨a turd!💩
Good Mix!
Could you show a video mixing ambient microphones and preaching microphones?
Great idea!
What IEMs are you using to mix?
KZ Z10 Pro, better than molds I’ve used. I have like 5 pair
@alexleebataller no way haha, that's awesome. Gotta give them a try, thank you
@alexleebataller btw, would you consider this the broadcast or FOH mix? Curious as to how this template would translate on mains
That sounds amazing man! And that board is going to stir commotion among the gear snobs.
Haha thank you!
Love the Snare Man!
Thank you!
Maybe it’s just me, but it sounds like alike you have tremendous compression that’s bringing up the noise floor.
All I hear is a massive wash of background noise. Maybe I’m wrong.
Haha! it’s definitely not a ballad. It’s a live mix with a crowd, so you’ll hear a lot more background noise in the vocal microphones.
nice work. But are you sure that the console doesn't compensate processing delay? I'm sure the X32 don't but the WING do ;)
Unfortunately after testing, I’ve found there is no delay compensation on FX inserts.
Hey Lee. Great mix. Thanks for the Video. One question, why do you “waste” a bus and an fx slot for your dry wet buses. Why not just use the dry wet percentage on the compressor?
Let’s say all the drum channels on a bus, there you insert the smash compressor and set the mix to 25%?
Or do you eq them differently?
Thank you Felix
Thank you! Yes they are split in case I need to eq the groups separately. 🤘🏻
Great video and mix! I saw you mention that this is for FOH. What do you do for your broadcast mix? Do you have another Wing or do you just mix out from FOH?
I normally use a separate spilt of the inputs into another mixing setup. Usually a Protools session.
Lee, I was interested to see you manually adding delay for insert compensation...i thought the wing (and other digital consoles) automatically had delay compensation built in?
After some testing with the console, it doesn’t have any sort of delay compensation. I’ve been thinking of making a video of some more testing.
thanks for another video Lee. Hey on the guitar panning tip, I think using the tilt feature on the wing would accomplish the exact same thing that you are doing and allowing you to go back to one channel strip per guitar. Im not talking about the tilt EQ but the tilt pan which compensates one way or the other to the left or right channel of a stereo pair. Its not a pan, but takes away gain from one side or the other. Also I think you mentioned, but on all of your vocal channels, are you unassigning them from all the main outputs and having only the reverbs and delays assigned to the main outputs? Thanks.
Yes the channels are not assigned, they feed into the dry and comp groups that are feeding to main outputs!
The acoustic guitar sounds amazing!
Thank you!
Great Work! Congratulations! Can You kindly say how did you conect the Mac to the console for multitrack mixing? Is it through built-in USB connection? Dante? Ethernet? Best!!
@@MEDIACRAFTdm usb to the wing!
Are all the effects and processing from the wing?
Yep!
Had to come back to this video... When you do the drum squash bus, did you send pre or post sends of the drums to it? Just love your posts.
Thank you! Post fader sends to the Drum Smash bus. 🤘🏻
@@alexleebataller thanks man! lol smash not squash... thats a vegetable.
I have a question for you, did you run into any issues updating from 1.12ish to 2.0? I looking for resources on how to back up our routing and everything in case something happens. Anything I should be thinking about going from 1.12 to 2.0 should I go to 2.1?
The library and FX setting recall has been entirely reworked. I would save any main effects or routing as a back up on another drive, but your scenes and library shouldn't be entirely wiped.
This sounds incredible! This is a FOH mix?
Thank you, and correct!
Wow we need to get better sources, LOL that sounds incredible. Inspired to dive into our wing more
Good sources are a game changer!
great mix. Can you share the multitrack so we can try our hands on it?
On my website for free!
May I ask, which lamp are you using there?
a.co/d/4URcwzM
Can you post all mics used?
Kick in - Shure Beta 91A
Kick out - Audis D6
Snare top - Shure 545
Snare bot - Shure SM57
Rack - Audix D2
Floor - Audix D4
OH - Audix ADX51
Acoustic - K&K Trinity Pro
Vocals - Neumann KK205
Sounds great. Congratulations. Big problem I see today is how to train this kind of Mixing if you don’t even access the Worship style multitracks.
Thank you! Good point!
We started recording tracks and playing em back for training new people on our team. It should be possible over USB, but since we’re also live streaming we decided to use Dante.
In the future we’d also like to use it for the band during rehearsal, so they can configure their in-ear mixes without playing.
I do not see a channel for Hi Hat in the template? I also tried to use this as a template
The mix sounds fantastic and you've definitely given me a couple of ideas to try on my Wing! Also, having Brady on your staff I would imagine helps you tremendously in terms of making sure everything sounds good at the source. One thing I will point out (and there's a TH-camr by the name of Guillaume Lortie that explores this more in depth) is that the Pitch Fix plugin doesn't work the way that traditional AutoTune works (that'd be too convenient lol). By highlighting a note red, Pitch Fix does not pull a note to the nearest available note on one side of it or the other like AutoTune would. Instead, you're telling Pitch Fix which notes to pull to the grid and which ones to simply ignore (i.e. the note highlighted red would not be corrected at all). Ideally you would want to run Pitch Fix "chromatic" where it would pull everything to the nearest note. You would highlight a note red if there's a note that needs to be ignored because it's consistently doing more harm than good.
Perfect - Nice Sound
Glad you like it!
Thanks for the video it was really helpful, but I have a question is the drum smash, vocal comp and all the effect bus pre or post.
@@kpogbanogaga3589 all busses post!
@@alexleebataller thanks for the reply
awesome i need the song thanks
Tracks available for free on my website!
The bass drum mics sounded like they might be "out of phase." Maybe check the polarity? Sounding very good otherwise!
Great job mate. Please i want to use your tracks for a video. please can i use it?
Good once again
@@samuelkennethacquah1068 they’re available for free on my website!
@@alexleebataller thank you mate. Can i get your name so i give you credit in the video
@@samuelkennethacquah1068 Lee Bataller
@@alexleebataller ❤️
This is superb,God bless you
Thanks!
Great video, thanks so much! Quick question, why do you not have an empty FX insert on the vocal dry bus like you did on the drum dry bus to help for the delay compensation? Does the Pitch Fix FX on the vocal channels not introduce latency?
Thank you! Yes, Pitch Fix does introduce latency, but each vocal has the same processing, therefore delaying in time together into each bus. Vocal channels are sends only into the busses, which then are sent to Master. Hope this explains!
@@alexleebataller Awesome, thank you!! Could you maybe quickly expand on the delay compensation you did to the drum channels that don't have an insert on them, that stuff is still confusing me a bit. Are you doing that to only the drum channels or to every channel in the entire mix(guitars, vocals etc.) that doesn't have an insert on them?
@@alexleebataller Actually I think I get it now. You're just adding the delay compensation to any channel within it's own subgroup, like the drums, that doesn't have an insert on them so that they're in time with the other channels that do have inserts by the time they hit the drum subgroup bus?
@@camstewart2833 yes sir!
I learned that in the Wing:
* Effects selected in the channel strip slot does not add latency.
* Effects added via the effects rack will add latency.
nice band you have🥴 love your mixing style. hello from a sound engineer in Romania💪🏻
17:39 Wait, what? It does true stereo panning as default? That's actually neat!
Poderia disponibilizar a multitracks para estudo de mix?????
Wow the musicians, i want that 🤪🤩 Thanks for your tips 😄
Muito obrigado pelo seu trabalho. Deus continue te abençoando.
Hey great video, I was wondering so you input delay for every single channel? or just that Drum? (BTW love this mix can we purchase the song)
Thank you! Just the drum channels inside the group since the signal will bleed into the other microphones.
What is the Sweet Spot for Gain Staging?
Healthy signal in the high greens/low yellow. Probably -18db to -12db. 🤘🏻
@@alexleebataller Nice, I just bought it,
I'll try it tonight.
Bravo. Good job... Beau boulot !!!
Thanks you sir
wow....just wow!
Wow! Impressive
NICE SOUND can you do a studio one template also so we can buy with the same emulation of strips
Would love to! Gotta get my hands on Studio One!
You WANT the microphone to touch your lips? 🤢 I’m sure you know how much of other people’s spit gets trapped in those things 🤢🤢🤢
Ha! You may be right, but it’s mostly a figure of speech. However we do disinfect our mics so they are pretty germ free. 😂