And yet funny thing one of the top iRacing guys is a NASCAR driver that uses a Dell Laptop and cheap Logitech wheel/pedals for around $3000 total and he drives circles around those other NASCAR drivers that spent $300k+ on their rigs.
As someone who has driven on many sims, it is fantastic to see Jay go into detail and explain all the levels of equipment, between the humble beginnings of a G920 to hydraulic pedals and DD wheels it's great to see him education people.
Except he's literally spreading misinformation. Says Logitech's Pro wheel are belt-driven, when they are DD wheels. Then goes on to say a step up from the Pro wheel would be Logitech's offerings like the T80, which is literally a bungee cord wheel He's obviously uninformed but that's not the issue. The issue is spreading misinformation to other uninformed people and passing it off as factual statements
@@gangstahhh The Logitech DD feels good but IMO there are better options for the money. The Logitech ecosystem also seems dead. Other than a shifter no options for a different wheel style. Consider the Moza R12 wheelbase with Moza KS wheel is $840. Add in Moza CRP pedals for %460 and total Moza setup is $1300. Logitech Pro DD is $1000 + Logitech G Pro pedals $349 the total is $1349. With Moza you can also change the wheel and they have a good assortment of accessories-shifter, handbrake. Maybe Logitech will have more wheels in the future. The worse part about the G Pro for me is the location of the rotary knobs. The left one more awkward than the right one. As a racer that may adjust brake bias for different corners the angle and location of this knob meant I had to move my hand longer than on other wheels or not at all as some wheels this adjustment is a thumb wheel.
Hey, the E-Stop should really be in a position where even the legs, maybe your knee, can reach it. In case you get stuck with a hand or sth the last thing you want to do is reach foreward to reach it with the other hand and getting close to the spinning wheel. Multiple options to reach it would be best
@@cbrunnem6102might be true but jay used one so i wrote my suggestion. also if would not trust software for myself. Dont want to be the first to find one in a weird pc crash or sth... But i get your point
I absolutely love iRacing. I got into it about a year ago and now it’s all I want to spend money on lol. Streaming it is so much fun. Sim racing is very addicting
7:19 Those pedals on the display rig are the HE Ultimate Pedals, not the HE Sprints, not the same. Also if you flip the side mount seat brackets around and put the 4 hole side towards your pedals, you can get more rake on the seat.
there is plastic made to fill those aluminium groove, usually for cnc to not collect to much dust, but it could make it look more finished and hide the grub screw mark. Usually it's called v-slot cover, the only issue would be to find the right colour. From what i see, the tower could interfere with the screen support, it seem like an overview or maybe it's just the video that flatten the perspective. Can't wait to see you guy do some race :)
Jay as a sim racer and oc gamer whose followed you from day 1 ID LOVE TO SEE MORE OF THIS. Its become such a big convoluted market now and id love to see you cut through it all like you did with water cooling
@@gasracing5000it is but it’s also very taxing on GPU. I run a oculus Q2 on a 7800x3d/4090. And on ACC I can’t crank everything to the max. Honestly do, ACC is notorious for “poor” VR implementation.
Imo it's personal preference, I have both and love using them for different situations, VR is great for friends and fam to try out but for long online racing triples are better.
Please please please start including sim racing games in hardware review tests. Including a triple screen setup, absolutely no one else is doing it and it'd help massively for anyone else who has a triple screen setup or is thinking of getting one.
No we have to see how the newest gpus run gta5 at 300fps at 4k. Screw those sim racers running ultrawides at 155fps or triples at 60-120fps at 4k per sceeen, the only ones actually pushing hardware are going in totally blind its almost silly.
Don't use NV Surround for triples! Almost every sim these days support independent triples for a proper FOV for each individual monitor. A quick search and you'll find the proper settings.
Ive had my rig for about 2yrs now and i still make small seat changes here and there. Sometimes i dont know what i enjoy more, tinkering with my rig or racing. 😂
seat brackets were backwards, just swop them left to right to get more angle on the backrest. Strongly recommend adjustable vesa mounts to make the monitor alignment very easy
I just dropped $5k on a Simagic rig. I think this hobby is really going to take off this year. I hope we see some more simcade games with great physics, like GT7, with fun career modes to get people the skills to compete as well as fun muliti-player. It's a lot more forgiving and enjoyable than dropping into Assetto Corso and failing constantly (though they have a new career mode as well I've learned). The real issue with sim racing games is the massive player drop-off after launch, it seems long term sim racers always trend back to the old tried and true games rather than the new stuff. I really hope next year has some great stuff because this year forza, wrc and the crew were all pretty disappointing on launch for all the hype they had. I have hope for wrc but knowing how long it took dirt 2.0 to get to where its at and the fact that it's more fun has me trending back to the old tried and true whenever I boot up the pc.
Love seeing the sim racing stuff on the channel. You REALLY need to give some oval racing a chance in iRacing. It gets really intense and is very fun. I have a Simagic Alpha Ultimate and I love it. Having over 20nm of torque sounds like overkill but it’s nice to have that extra dynamic range for those things that give sharp jolts like curbs and wrecks. Plus the stronger motors tend to have more detail in the smaller effects too. I also have the Sprint pedals and they have been great but I think I’m going to try the Simagic P1000 pedals next with the hydraulic brake and the actuators for traction control, ABS, and such. Nothing like turning off the lights in a triple monitor rig and doing some wheel to wheel racing.
Just made the switch from sprints to p1000 hydraulics myself. Loving them so far and the ease of dialing in the brake feel with their elastomer set up is waaay better. Out of the box their clutch was way too light but once you tighten up the preload it feels fine. I do think the sprints do the bite point feel better, but it's the least used pedal so I don't mind.
I saw ultimate and thought "here we go" sarcastically until they actually went with an 80/20 rig, simucube, and GSI wheel. They could do plenty more but it's not necessary to have a great experience.
1:10 To clarify what Jay's saying and showing, the display wheel he mistook as a G Pro (EDIT: not called a "G-Force Pro") is a G923 which is the refreshed version of the G920/G29 and is gear-driven. The G Pro is direct-drive (shown to the right of the display). Logi don't offer belt-driven wheels.
Literally waiting on my Simagic P1000s to arrive today. Out for delivery. Ive been a sim racer aince...1998? 1999? I had a CH racing wheel and pedals. Ancient. But i do VR because my ultra fast days are behind me. I was a top % iRacer back in my day but I dont have the time now for it. VR is so immersive in simulators, its the best way to enjoy it if you arent super fast. I just refuse to give Asetek money since theyre the bane of our existence for pc cooling thanks to their opporessive patents. Probably going to go the 8020 route for when i upgrade my actual rig. Still using an Obutto Ozone.
Indeed. I briefly lived near Seattle and got to visit a Micro center once; Left with a much lighter wallet. The next best chain I had ever frequented was a lousy CompUSA - which is like the difference between Walmart and Home Depot’s tool section. No comparison. Micro-center was like browsing NewEGG and Amazon in person.
That was a Logitech G923 on display which is basically a G920/G29 with trueforce and they are all gear driven which is notchy, the Logitech PRO Racing wheel which was in the bigger boxes on the right and also has trueforce but is direct drive, also pedals can either use potentiometers or load cells for the brakes which can also make a huge difference in pressure required, consistency and realism
Slip angle systems is something you should look into. Its a bass shaker on each corner but you mount your rig on a sping setup that has it float instead of transfering the feedback through the floor.
I wish I had a Microcenter store closer to me. The Tustin store is about 75 miles away from here. I just bought a Simucube Pro 2 direct from Simucube to replace my Fanatec wheel base then Microcenter had the GSI Wheel I wanted online so I had it shipped to me. Now I am just waiting on a wheel hub adapter and I can finish putting everything back together. Great to see your sim rig videos. I really enjoyed it.
You should pay more attention while building....the damage on the profile is not because you tightened the screws but because the screws you used were too long. Look in the instruction manual, they should state the length of the screws needed for each step of assembly. Like the rig but I prefer the Sim Lab P1X... Ps. you will love that GSI wheel :)
2:30, I just wanted to mention something, Jay all the top racing series in the world have power steering. F1, Indycar, NASCAR, Rally Cars, all relatively undriveable without power steering due to the conditions and tire size.
I don't have the green version, but that monitor stand is a pretty good deal. For the price of a typical 80-20 single monitor stand, TK Racing offers a triple stand. All the benefits of it being an aluminum extrusion stand, meaning you can mix and match different MFG's parts if you wanted. Sim-lab's Xero play hinges, custom plates and even proprietary parts from Simracing Cockpits will fit and work like a charm. Its a steal at what TK Racing is asking
As an R5 Bundle owner going from an OLD hand me down and broken Thrustmaster, it is a huge leap and is awesome! Definitely worth checking out for your first DD setup. Their software is coming along nicely too in my experience. My whole rig is at about $1000 all in (with the KS wheel) minus PC related hardware (which includes VR for my use case). Don't feel like you need a ridiculous rig to have a great time. I've already competed in official series.
Was the MOZA R5 he showed in the video at 2:51 include pedals, the wheel base, and the steering wheel, or was it just the wheel base and the steering wheel?
That monitor stand is currently a steal at MC for $250. The part where you finally realize why it was only $250 is when you're trying to align monitors on it.
Might be to late, but If you put your seat brackets on backwards, you can tilt the seat further back. I had mine fully reclined the right way and it still felt like 90 degrees.
Brackets for the seat. What you want to do is switch the left to the right and right to the left. Then the 80/20 that holds the seat, spread it out more so the brackets fit on top of it again. This is how you get your seat to tilt back more and have the front come up higher. No more bolts hitting the underside of your seat. I hope this helps.
Got into sim racing a little earlier this year and I’m already about $11k deep in the hobby, between the profile rig, wheel set up and 4090 PC plus 1440p triples. No regrets at all though, it’s brought back a lot of love for gaming and PCs for me, next on the list is the PSVR2 for gt7. Really wish there was a bit more console compatibility with the wheelbases though, I ended up having to go fully fanatec just so I could also have PlayStation compatibility. Love the gear I have a lot, but it would have been nice to have some higher end options for pedals, a shifter, and certain steering wheels.
Jay, that Cooler Master case is SERIOUSLY BAD ASS!!!! I built a 12900K/4080 full water cooled gaming rig in one and WOW was it easy to build in!!! The RGB is amazing on it and the front round display does all kinds of neato stuff for that little display!!
The G29 was actually cutting edge when it was first introduced. Probably close to 10 years ago. I anticipated it at the time in the same way most people do with fanatec now 😅 It boasted helical cut gears that eliminated the gear mesh sound created by straight cut gears. I was stunned a few months ago when I started looking at what's available on the market now. But it made me feel good to see that what I have is still sold. So now it's considered entry level. Just recently found you. They're about to build a Micro Center where I live, and in the past two days your videos have gotten my anticipation up
For sim rig used by multiple different height pple might suggest getting a separate pedal plate mounted on sliders so not only can the seat be repositioned so can the pedals giving you more flexibility with adjustment and fine tuning with a simple addition to your rig hope that helps if you try it
I also got three Ultra gear monitors for my setup and those big mounting plates that come with the monitor stand cover up all the inputs on the back of the monitor..lol you might want to check that while your waiting for bolts. I changed the plates out for the Advanced sim Racing mounts and it gives you all the adjustability that you need to get the bezels lined up perfectly
More SimRacing and Sim content for the non-car people would be interesting, even if only discussing it with site pictures. As a Canadian, I was wondering if Micro Center is going to expand to North of the 49th? We have Best Buy & WalMart as our big box stores, in the prairies, at least. Due to the pandemic, the specialty shops for computer hardware mostly dried up, with the only ones remaining being corporate suppliers. Keep up the great content, and thank you.
That sim rig seems like a great design because it's just Aluminum 4080 profiles with bolts holding it together. Something you could make yourself for about 50-100$ of material....only issue is the mounting platforms, those you need to buy!
Love this stuff. About to build my new rig over the next few days! Went with the Sim Lab GT1-Evo 2 from Microcenter, but got a Fanatec setup prior to realizing I could have done better with Asatek at Microcenter. At least all the 8020 profile stuff is interchangeable for the most part. In any case, love living near one when being into sim racing for sure.
There's force feed back that goes the extra mile. servo four post and helmet force. It move your head to simulate g-force. Super cool. Or slide axis movements too. 4dof degrees of freedom
Just sold my Fanatec belt driven rig and pedals and went with a Moza R9, KS wheel and Heusinkveld Sprint pedals. Using a couple year old Rseat rig and a 48” LG OLED.
I just dropped $10k on a sim rig and am waiting on back ordered parts. I live 20 miles from a Micro Center. I had no idea they sold this stuff. Also, GT seats on sim rigs look ridiculous.
I don't care how it looks, I don't want pain from racing for more than an hour. Why you would want to be stuck in a position that is only chosen because of aerodynamics puzzles me. Immersion is one thing but I'm not going to run a heater in my face to give me the feeling of being in a race car on track. GT seating position is designed around how a human should sit, you don't see anything resembling a formula type chair unless you've reclined a normal one. Gotta give you a little shit for what I think is the weirdest choice in sim racing. I hope you enjoy your new rig, I just spent about half as much and it's my new favorite thing. You should try rally racing, i wonder how it would feel in formula position and if it would even be possible, I'm guessing your running a formula wheel so it would be quite a feat to manage.
@@aaronb9630 they just look silly with that massive top part that’s meant for a helmet. Completely subjective obviously. I got an NRG Prisma. I can’t justify $1,000 for a carbon fiber seat just for the stiffness. I’m using a Moza RS V2 wheel for now. I’ll get a GT wheel eventually. I just wanted something that was a good all purpose wheel for now.
A little bit of a correction for you, Jayz: the Logitech G Pro is actually a direct drive wheel, it's just that its ecosystem is too limited because Logitech hasn't figured out the way to support it more than it should have been so far.
You can 100% go wrong with the g920, you can get so many actual force feedback wheels as kits now for barely a higher cost. And not be locked in with a noisy pos, with one cheap wheel.
This is cool. I've recently been getting into racing myself. I Bought me one of those Logitech G920 with shifter mounted on a Next Level Racing Stand and I love it. I'm not a huge racing nut so the setup I have is just perfect for me. The thing about G920 though, don't underestimate it's Lil 'Moter, when I first got it, the wheel nearly pulled out of my hands. Not as accurate as the more expensive sims but it does a great job.
bro does this guy ever finish a build on his videos? He gets like 98% of the way there and then we don't even ever get to see him play a game or mount a screen even.
you should move the E stop to be near your feet. If you get caught up in your wheel it will be hard to use your hands to hit the button where as you could just smash it with your foot.
Wow Dude!!! I didn't know you where into sim racing!! Welcome man, Hope to see you on iRacing. I started on the same rig and then I just went full custom. My next big upgrade is a Simucube Active Pedal from my break pedal. I know this video is 5 months old and maybe you already have one, but if you dont, look into them. I will be checking back on ya. Stoked your sim racing!
They should have a FFB lock out mode so kids can have a chance to try out the rig. Adults are regularly injured by improper direct drive handling too, so these demos should always be under staff supervision anyway.
Once I can finally upgrade my computer(tuff times). I coming for you guys on the track lol.. computer crapped out and could only get like 35fps on the sim. are you on iracing?
The emergency shut off button should be by the foot because if one or both your arms get caught and you can't really move your arms well you can just hit it with your foot
I have a thrustmaster TSPC racer I love it And Fanatec V3 pedals and a openwheeler v3 cockpit with seat risers and all the add on mods they offer , seat cover , seat belts 4 point , lumbar support and head pillow . Its my flight sim and racing rig
I have the Sim lab Xp-1 pedals, they really are fantastic and going under the radar at the moment. I have the Asetek wheelbase (love it) and really wanted the asetek pedals but they just didn't match up to the XP1's. Would be great to have stores like this in the UK. Loved the vid guys👍👍👍
I have that rig. Trust me, ditch the corner brackets where the side arm bolts to the center monitor been. The side arm plates will go right over the center monitor profile without needing the corner brackets. It’s the way literally every other monitor stand is built
Nice starter-setup😁 I've the same base, but with 7 shakers, SimXperience G-Seat and G-Belt and other stuff like h-shifter, sequential shifter, handbrake, Pimax 8KX etc.
With only around £1000 to spend, I went for a T300RS GT Edition £350, TH8A Shifter £120, Next Level Racing F-GT Lite Rig £220 & a TM Ferrari F1 SF1000 Wheel for £320. If you really want the best value and performance for that price and have it all, you cannot go wrong with this setup. Hell you could even just go for the T300RS GT Edition & the F-GT Lite and you'll get the best experience for the money spent. Thrustmaster have such a brilliantly smooth feel thanks to the dual belt driven system in the wheel servo (base) compared to Logitech grinding and offputting gears. Plus you're literally stuck with that tiny wheel forever. With a servo you enjoy you can buy a GT/Rally Sparco Wheel, Ferrari F1/Roadster Wheels, different pedals incl. a load cell if you like, shifters, brake lever's and it will all work as long as it is a Thrustmaster product. I would love to go all out on a true DD system like this, but this setup is like basically £5000 easily. Plus you'll have to deicate an entire room to it forever, and the parts will lose their value. For my setup tho I get to be able to fold it up, change wheels, really great force feedback for a non-DDrive setup and it's pretty comfortable over long sessions as well as being able to change seating positions to a GT Mode or a F1 Mode in like 5mins of tool less adjustment. Each to their own though, but for casual/beginners with the budget of a new 55" mid-range Oled, save your money go for a foldable rig and a t300rs *GT* edition (much better pedals than the standard t300) that you can upgrade cheaply over time. Then if you finally feel like stepping up, you know what it's all about and will get a decent amount back especially if you keep all your original boxes for each part, then move onto a DD Moza or Fanatec in the future with the insane rig & accessories. The hobby is basically as expensive as you want it to be. My ultimate plan is to move on from the T300RS to the top TM wheel at some point, keep my F1 wheel & shifter and also upgrade to a new foldable rig, but right now living in a pretty small apartment you gotta work within your means!
I love that microcenter has sim stuff I recently upgraded my sim to triples and absolutely love it! I personally don't use nivida surround unless I have too. But iracing and AC don't require it and that's 90% of what I play
If you are wanting to fit better peddle faces to the Heusinkveld Sprint's (I found my peddle faces started to hurt my feet in endurance races) look into the HRS peddle faces. They are amazing quality, made right here in Australia and are based off of the V8 Supercar peddles. They look great and are far less taxing on your feet (I use rubber based sim socks).
at the end it is all about training, if you own a "cheap" Logitech or a High End Direct Drive wheel. I was as fast as I am now with a DD Wheel than I was with my TM! At the end of the day, people tend to buy the "best" setup that means most nM which is totally wrong. You probably don't need more than 12nM in a Base if you want to go all in. Same goes for the pedals. You have to feel comfortable using them. If that is a G25, go ahead and use it. At the end, you can even make good lap times with a gamepad !
YES! More SimRacing content, please! I love your take on whats going on in the Sim Racing community.
I would love to see some of his gpu and cpu tests be ran on the triples and vr for the sim community that's looking to upgrade
25 minutes of my life, and we couldn’t even see the finished product
When your racing sim costs more than your real car, you're a true gamer.
A thrustmaster TS-XW & wheel would already cost more than my POS car TBF, without adding pedals 🤣
And yet funny thing one of the top iRacing guys is a NASCAR driver that uses a Dell Laptop and cheap Logitech wheel/pedals for around $3000 total and he drives circles around those other NASCAR drivers that spent $300k+ on their rigs.
Well, remember who's sponsoring the video. OF COURSE they want you to spend all your money in their hallowed rooms...
everything is more expensive than a Miata 🤣I could trade my tower and get a whole a Miata
Have you seen Jay's cars? 😂
As someone who has driven on many sims, it is fantastic to see Jay go into detail and explain all the levels of equipment, between the humble beginnings of a G920 to hydraulic pedals and DD wheels it's great to see him education people.
I love to be educationed
@@SAVAGE4SAMMICH don’t use Jay as your teacher on this stuff, he really doesn’t know what he’s doing. Go to somewhere like Boosted Media.
Except he's literally spreading misinformation. Says Logitech's Pro wheel are belt-driven, when they are DD wheels. Then goes on to say a step up from the Pro wheel would be Logitech's offerings like the T80, which is literally a bungee cord wheel
He's obviously uninformed but that's not the issue. The issue is spreading misinformation to other uninformed people and passing it off as factual statements
@@WhiteHawk77can vouch on boosted media jay is too new at this.
1:17 correction Logitech Pro is a DD wheel, also the wheel you are using is most likely a G920 which is gear driven. [G923 would have a blue ring]
how would you rate the logitech pro
Then I guess Logitech's DD is soooo goood that it feels like inferior belt wheels... XD All the review that wheel needs XD
@@gangstahhh The Logitech DD feels good but IMO there are better options for the money. The Logitech ecosystem also seems dead. Other than a shifter no options for a different wheel style. Consider the Moza R12 wheelbase with Moza KS wheel is $840. Add in Moza CRP pedals for %460 and total Moza setup is $1300. Logitech Pro DD is $1000 + Logitech G Pro pedals $349 the total is $1349. With Moza you can also change the wheel and they have a good assortment of accessories-shifter, handbrake. Maybe Logitech will have more wheels in the future. The worse part about the G Pro for me is the location of the rotary knobs. The left one more awkward than the right one. As a racer that may adjust brake bias for different corners the angle and location of this knob meant I had to move my hand longer than on other wheels or not at all as some wheels this adjustment is a thumb wheel.
@gangstahhh I've had mine since launch and I absolutely love it.
@arturskibior feels nothing like any of their other wheels. Perfectly smooth and no play anywhere. Very high quality
Hey, the E-Stop should really be in a position where even the legs, maybe your knee, can reach it. In case you get stuck with a hand or sth the last thing you want to do is reach foreward to reach it with the other hand and getting close to the spinning wheel. Multiple options to reach it would be best
Sound advise.
Does make sense
you'll never need an estop button unless you're running a shit wheel base with shit firmware.
@@cbrunnem6102might be true but jay used one so i wrote my suggestion.
also if would not trust software for myself. Dont want to be the first to find one in a weird pc crash or sth... But i get your point
Kill switches are largely unnecessary. I have one. It sits in a box
I absolutely love iRacing. I got into it about a year ago and now it’s all I want to spend money on lol. Streaming it is so much fun. Sim racing is very addicting
If no one mentioned it, put the seat AND pedals on seat sliders... way easier for adjustments.
Perfect for playing Diddy Kong Racing
7:19 Those pedals on the display rig are the HE Ultimate Pedals, not the HE Sprints, not the same. Also if you flip the side mount seat brackets around and put the 4 hole side towards your pedals, you can get more rake on the seat.
there is plastic made to fill those aluminium groove, usually for cnc to not collect to much dust, but it could make it look more finished and hide the grub screw mark. Usually it's called v-slot cover, the only issue would be to find the right colour.
From what i see, the tower could interfere with the screen support, it seem like an overview or maybe it's just the video that flatten the perspective.
Can't wait to see you guy do some race :)
should’ve got advanced sim racing to sponsor your sim rigs
11:05 Some think alcohol is the adult drink, others think coffee is the adult drink, when in reality, the true adult drink is water.
Jay as a sim racer and oc gamer whose followed you from day 1 ID LOVE TO SEE MORE OF THIS. Its become such a big convoluted market now and id love to see you cut through it all like you did with water cooling
When moving the SIM rig around it is important to steer it with the steering wheel
I would love to see a full comparison between triple monitors and VR once you get this all set up! Keep the Sim Racing content coming!!
VR is better... lol.
@@gasracing5000it is but it’s also very taxing on GPU. I run a oculus Q2 on a 7800x3d/4090. And on ACC I can’t crank everything to the max.
Honestly do, ACC is notorious for “poor” VR implementation.
Imo it's personal preference, I have both and love using them for different situations, VR is great for friends and fam to try out but for long online racing triples are better.
Triples are harder to run but people can drive longer on triples, some like myself have no problem using VR for hours though
VR is the better solution, unless your GPU can't stand it - or you get sick of it.
Immersion, depth of field and your driving times are better.
Please please please start including sim racing games in hardware review tests. Including a triple screen setup, absolutely no one else is doing it and it'd help massively for anyone else who has a triple screen setup or is thinking of getting one.
No we have to see how the newest gpus run gta5 at 300fps at 4k. Screw those sim racers running ultrawides at 155fps or triples at 60-120fps at 4k per sceeen, the only ones actually pushing hardware are going in totally blind its almost silly.
@tylermackenzie9126 it's a niche group of people, but whoever tends to them will definitely gain subscribers and following for doing so
Don't use NV Surround for triples! Almost every sim these days support independent triples for a proper FOV for each individual monitor. A quick search and you'll find the proper settings.
Except Automobilista and some other that demand NVsurround. This said I used surround for years and never had any problem with it.
that sounds annoying tho having to switch out of nv surround just to play a game
@@aqulex84 AMS2 ?
@@DJ_An_Dee Automobilista 2
@@aqulex84 installed it today and worked fine. let it run on your center monitor and set up triple in game
Ive had my rig for about 2yrs now and i still make small seat changes here and there. Sometimes i dont know what i enjoy more, tinkering with my rig or racing. 😂
seat brackets were backwards, just swop them left to right to get more angle on the backrest. Strongly recommend adjustable vesa mounts to make the monitor alignment very easy
I just dropped $5k on a Simagic rig. I think this hobby is really going to take off this year. I hope we see some more simcade games with great physics, like GT7, with fun career modes to get people the skills to compete as well as fun muliti-player. It's a lot more forgiving and enjoyable than dropping into Assetto Corso and failing constantly (though they have a new career mode as well I've learned). The real issue with sim racing games is the massive player drop-off after launch, it seems long term sim racers always trend back to the old tried and true games rather than the new stuff. I really hope next year has some great stuff because this year forza, wrc and the crew were all pretty disappointing on launch for all the hype they had. I have hope for wrc but knowing how long it took dirt 2.0 to get to where its at and the fact that it's more fun has me trending back to the old tried and true whenever I boot up the pc.
Love seeing the sim racing stuff on the channel. You REALLY need to give some oval racing a chance in iRacing. It gets really intense and is very fun. I have a Simagic Alpha Ultimate and I love it. Having over 20nm of torque sounds like overkill but it’s nice to have that extra dynamic range for those things that give sharp jolts like curbs and wrecks. Plus the stronger motors tend to have more detail in the smaller effects too. I also have the Sprint pedals and they have been great but I think I’m going to try the Simagic P1000 pedals next with the hydraulic brake and the actuators for traction control, ABS, and such. Nothing like turning off the lights in a triple monitor rig and doing some wheel to wheel racing.
VR guys do it with the lights on...lol
Ditch the iRacing extortion fees and try AMS2 ovals.
Just made the switch from sprints to p1000 hydraulics myself. Loving them so far and the ease of dialing in the brake feel with their elastomer set up is waaay better. Out of the box their clutch was way too light but once you tighten up the preload it feels fine. I do think the sprints do the bite point feel better, but it's the least used pedal so I don't mind.
@@gasracing5000 I’ll have to give them a try
I saw ultimate and thought "here we go" sarcastically until they actually went with an 80/20 rig, simucube, and GSI wheel. They could do plenty more but it's not necessary to have a great experience.
1:10 To clarify what Jay's saying and showing, the display wheel he mistook as a G Pro (EDIT: not called a "G-Force Pro") is a G923 which is the refreshed version of the G920/G29 and is gear-driven. The G Pro is direct-drive (shown to the right of the display). Logi don't offer belt-driven wheels.
G920 is gear driven.. neither belt nor direct... old tech from g25 if not mistaken.
Literally waiting on my Simagic P1000s to arrive today. Out for delivery. Ive been a sim racer aince...1998? 1999? I had a CH racing wheel and pedals. Ancient.
But i do VR because my ultra fast days are behind me. I was a top % iRacer back in my day but I dont have the time now for it. VR is so immersive in simulators, its the best way to enjoy it if you arent super fast.
I just refuse to give Asetek money since theyre the bane of our existence for pc cooling thanks to their opporessive patents.
Probably going to go the 8020 route for when i upgrade my actual rig. Still using an Obutto Ozone.
“Dude, is it going to Linus?” Hilarious!
Dude.. we need WAY MORE Micro Centers in this country. They carry all that gear? Damn!
Canada sure could use even just one!, 2 would be better, say one on the west coast and one in Toronto, I'd sure drive a few hours to TO to shop there.
Indeed. I briefly lived near Seattle and got to visit a Micro center once; Left with a much lighter wallet.
The next best chain I had ever frequented was a lousy CompUSA - which is like the difference between Walmart and Home Depot’s tool section. No comparison.
Micro-center was like browsing NewEGG and Amazon in person.
That was a Logitech G923 on display which is basically a G920/G29 with trueforce and they are all gear driven which is notchy, the Logitech PRO Racing wheel which was in the bigger boxes on the right and also has trueforce but is direct drive, also pedals can either use potentiometers or load cells for the brakes which can also make a huge difference in pressure required, consistency and realism
Yeah the PRO is an awesome wheel seeing him talk about the thrustmaster wheel as an upgrade was kinda embarrassing.
For my flight sim gear, I use a 3d printed case to mount my stream deck. to the top of my Virpil throttle desk mount.
Was just there a few months ago. That was an awesome rig they had to demo. Bought the moza r5, shifter, and handbrake. Best customer service.
Slip angle systems is something you should look into. Its a bass shaker on each corner but you mount your rig on a sping setup that has it float instead of transfering the feedback through the floor.
I wish I had a Microcenter store closer to me. The Tustin store is about 75 miles away from here. I just bought a Simucube Pro 2 direct from Simucube to replace my Fanatec wheel base then Microcenter had the GSI Wheel I wanted online so I had it shipped to me. Now I am just waiting on a wheel hub adapter and I can finish putting everything back together. Great to see your sim rig videos. I really enjoyed it.
You should pay more attention while building....the damage on the profile is not because you tightened the screws but because the screws you used were too long.
Look in the instruction manual, they should state the length of the screws needed for each step of assembly.
Like the rig but I prefer the Sim Lab P1X...
Ps. you will love that GSI wheel :)
Jay you can buy plastic slot covers for aluminium extrusions :) Some Red & Black slot covers would really tie the colour scheme together!
Entertaining post Christmas content, thanks for the video Jay!
2:30, I just wanted to mention something, Jay all the top racing series in the world have power steering. F1, Indycar, NASCAR, Rally Cars, all relatively undriveable without power steering due to the conditions and tire size.
I don't have the green version, but that monitor stand is a pretty good deal. For the price of a typical 80-20 single monitor stand, TK Racing offers a triple stand. All the benefits of it being an aluminum extrusion stand, meaning you can mix and match different MFG's parts if you wanted. Sim-lab's Xero play hinges, custom plates and even proprietary parts from Simracing Cockpits will fit and work like a charm. Its a steal at what TK Racing is asking
As an R5 Bundle owner going from an OLD hand me down and broken Thrustmaster, it is a huge leap and is awesome! Definitely worth checking out for your first DD setup. Their software is coming along nicely too in my experience. My whole rig is at about $1000 all in (with the KS wheel) minus PC related hardware (which includes VR for my use case). Don't feel like you need a ridiculous rig to have a great time. I've already competed in official series.
Was the MOZA R5 he showed in the video at 2:51 include pedals, the wheel base, and the steering wheel, or was it just the wheel base and the steering wheel?
Most race cars use power steering tho. And you're skipping the best part, you putting everything together is what we are here for!
That monitor stand is currently a steal at MC for $250. The part where you finally realize why it was only $250 is when you're trying to align monitors on it.
You have a 3d printer, man. Use that to make your steamdeck mount!
Was thinking the same thing. The price of the bracket is almost as much as the Stream Deck.
Might be to late, but If you put your seat brackets on backwards, you can tilt the seat further back. I had mine fully reclined the right way and it still felt like 90 degrees.
Nick doing the model/Vanna wave was well worth the prince of admission! That was a hoot and a half!
Just cover the scratches with racing stickers! MORE FPS!!!!
Microcenter looks to have you and @Austin Evans build the same exact setup you guys should race each other.
Brackets for the seat. What you want to do is switch the left to the right and right to the left. Then the 80/20 that holds the seat, spread it out more so the brackets fit on top of it again. This is how you get your seat to tilt back more and have the front come up higher. No more bolts hitting the underside of your seat. I hope this helps.
Got into sim racing a little earlier this year and I’m already about $11k deep in the hobby, between the profile rig, wheel set up and 4090 PC plus 1440p triples. No regrets at all though, it’s brought back a lot of love for gaming and PCs for me, next on the list is the PSVR2 for gt7.
Really wish there was a bit more console compatibility with the wheelbases though, I ended up having to go fully fanatec just so I could also have PlayStation compatibility. Love the gear I have a lot, but it would have been nice to have some higher end options for pedals, a shifter, and certain steering wheels.
Jay, that Cooler Master case is SERIOUSLY BAD ASS!!!! I built a 12900K/4080 full water cooled gaming rig in one and WOW was it easy to build in!!!
The RGB is amazing on it and the front round display does all kinds of neato stuff for that little display!!
I'm shocked there are actual brick and mortar stores that carry sim racing gear, so cool! SO jealous!
The G29 was actually cutting edge when it was first introduced. Probably close to 10 years ago. I anticipated it at the time in the same way most people do with fanatec now 😅 It boasted helical cut gears that eliminated the gear mesh sound created by straight cut gears. I was stunned a few months ago when I started looking at what's available on the market now. But it made me feel good to see that what I have is still sold. So now it's considered entry level.
Just recently found you. They're about to build a Micro Center where I live, and in the past two days your videos have gotten my anticipation up
For sim rig used by multiple different height pple might suggest getting a separate pedal plate mounted on sliders so not only can the seat be repositioned so can the pedals giving you more flexibility with adjustment and fine tuning with a simple addition to your rig hope that helps if you try it
Nice rig and wheel. I hope you enjoy it. Can’t go wrong with the TK rig
Just bought Asetek gear and an 80/20 rig. It's an amazing experience.
I also got three Ultra gear monitors for my setup and those big mounting plates that come with the monitor stand cover up all the inputs on the back of the monitor..lol you might want to check that while your waiting for bolts. I changed the plates out for the Advanced sim Racing mounts and it gives you all the adjustability that you need to get the bezels lined up perfectly
Move the kill switch to your knee area.. if the wheel starts spinning and your hands are caught in the wheel, you can tap the stop with you knee.
More SimRacing and Sim content for the non-car people would be interesting, even if only discussing it with site pictures. As a Canadian, I was wondering if Micro Center is going to expand to North of the 49th? We have Best Buy & WalMart as our big box stores, in the prairies, at least. Due to the pandemic, the specialty shops for computer hardware mostly dried up, with the only ones remaining being corporate suppliers. Keep up the great content, and thank you.
That sim rig seems like a great design because it's just Aluminum 4080 profiles with bolts holding it together. Something you could make yourself for about 50-100$ of material....only issue is the mounting platforms, those you need to buy!
Wow, impressive to have all that simracing equipment in a physical store!
Would love to see Micro center in Europe :)
Msn I always would love a sim rig but the great stuff will set me like a small house in my country 😂
Love this stuff. About to build my new rig over the next few days! Went with the Sim Lab GT1-Evo 2 from Microcenter, but got a Fanatec setup prior to realizing I could have done better with Asatek at Microcenter. At least all the 8020 profile stuff is interchangeable for the most part. In any case, love living near one when being into sim racing for sure.
There's force feed back that goes the extra mile. servo four post and helmet force. It move your head to simulate g-force. Super cool. Or slide axis movements too. 4dof degrees of freedom
I recommend putting the emergency stop button near your feet in the case your hands do get caught in the wheel, you can hit the button with your foot.
Anyone checking out the TK Bundle it's a great value for a rig. Having the triple screen mount included in for the price of p1x.
Just sold my Fanatec belt driven rig and pedals and went with a Moza R9, KS wheel and Heusinkveld Sprint pedals. Using a couple year old Rseat rig and a 48” LG OLED.
Of all the people i thought i'd see yolo a sim rig from drunkenly ordered parts
Are you guys going to do a racing go-kart for Phil? 🤣🤣
J/K!
I just dropped $10k on a sim rig and am waiting on back ordered parts. I live 20 miles from a Micro Center. I had no idea they sold this stuff.
Also, GT seats on sim rigs look ridiculous.
I don't care how it looks, I don't want pain from racing for more than an hour. Why you would want to be stuck in a position that is only chosen because of aerodynamics puzzles me. Immersion is one thing but I'm not going to run a heater in my face to give me the feeling of being in a race car on track. GT seating position is designed around how a human should sit, you don't see anything resembling a formula type chair unless you've reclined a normal one. Gotta give you a little shit for what I think is the weirdest choice in sim racing.
I hope you enjoy your new rig, I just spent about half as much and it's my new favorite thing. You should try rally racing, i wonder how it would feel in formula position and if it would even be possible, I'm guessing your running a formula wheel so it would be quite a feat to manage.
Buy a futon
@@aaronb9630 they just look silly with that massive top part that’s meant for a helmet. Completely subjective obviously. I got an NRG Prisma. I can’t justify $1,000 for a carbon fiber seat just for the stiffness. I’m using a Moza RS V2 wheel for now. I’ll get a GT wheel eventually. I just wanted something that was a good all purpose wheel for now.
Ya you didn’t spend $10k on a racing sim of your using moza and nrg seat 😂
@@SIMRIG412 I sure did. The monitors alone were just under $4k. And I thought golf was an expensive hobby.
great setup just confused why the kill switch is not near the foot pedal that would be the best for safety for the dd wheel.
Bought my moza r5 at that very store, it comes with pedals jay so it’s even more of a bang for your buck. I love mine!
I drive in real life (not a pro) but I just got into sim racing for learning tracks across the country. Keep up this content man I’m here to learn!
A little bit of a correction for you, Jayz: the Logitech G Pro is actually a direct drive wheel, it's just that its ecosystem is too limited because Logitech hasn't figured out the way to support it more than it should have been so far.
The Logi G pro looks like its decent. It just needs to be half the price it was when introduced to compete with all the competition launched after it.
You can 100% go wrong with the g920, you can get so many actual force feedback wheels as kits now for barely a higher cost. And not be locked in with a noisy pos, with one cheap wheel.
I dont know about the TK rig accessories, but all my Sim-Lab T-nuts you can clip in directly in the slot, dont have to slide them in from the end
This is cool. I've recently been getting into racing myself. I Bought me one of those Logitech G920 with shifter mounted on a Next Level Racing Stand and I love it. I'm not a huge racing nut so the setup I have is just perfect for me. The thing about G920 though, don't underestimate it's Lil 'Moter, when I first got it, the wheel nearly pulled out of my hands. Not as accurate as the more expensive sims but it does a great job.
bro does this guy ever finish a build on his videos? He gets like 98% of the way there and then we don't even ever get to see him play a game or mount a screen even.
A sim rig is never finished 😅
Flip the seat brackets so the adjustable bolts are in front and you can tilt it back
you should move the E stop to be near your feet. If you get caught up in your wheel it will be hard to use your hands to hit the button where as you could just smash it with your foot.
Wow Dude!!! I didn't know you where into sim racing!! Welcome man, Hope to see you on iRacing. I started on the same rig and then I just went full custom. My next big upgrade is a Simucube Active Pedal from my break pedal. I know this video is 5 months old and maybe you already have one, but if you dont, look into them. I will be checking back on ya. Stoked your sim racing!
They should have a FFB lock out mode so kids can have a chance to try out the rig. Adults are regularly injured by improper direct drive handling too, so these demos should always be under staff supervision anyway.
I would love to see more Sim Racing content as well but I would really like to have seen the full build from start to finish and the total cost.
Micro center needs a store in every state. There isn't one here in Montana and it drives me nuts
17:20 Red, green and gold. It's a christmas build :D
Once I can finally upgrade my computer(tuff times). I coming for you guys on the track lol.. computer crapped out and could only get like 35fps on the sim. are you on iracing?
Bought this same set up and it's great value for money!
cool, I was there a few weeks ago and drove that exact same simulator. It was so much fun!
The emergency shut off button should be by the foot because if one or both your arms get caught and you can't really move your arms well you can just hit it with your foot
I have a thrustmaster TSPC racer I love it
And Fanatec V3 pedals and a openwheeler v3 cockpit with seat risers and all the add on mods they offer , seat cover , seat belts 4 point , lumbar support and head pillow .
Its my flight sim and racing rig
I have the Sim lab Xp-1 pedals, they really are fantastic and going under the radar at the moment. I have the Asetek wheelbase (love it) and really wanted the asetek pedals but they just didn't match up to the XP1's. Would be great to have stores like this in the UK.
Loved the vid guys👍👍👍
I have that rig. Trust me, ditch the corner brackets where the side arm bolts to the center monitor been. The side arm plates will go right over the center monitor profile without needing the corner brackets. It’s the way literally every other monitor stand is built
Nice starter-setup😁 I've the same base, but with 7 shakers, SimXperience G-Seat and G-Belt and other stuff like h-shifter, sequential shifter, handbrake, Pimax 8KX etc.
With only around £1000 to spend, I went for a T300RS GT Edition £350, TH8A Shifter £120, Next Level Racing F-GT Lite Rig £220 & a TM Ferrari F1 SF1000 Wheel for £320. If you really want the best value and performance for that price and have it all, you cannot go wrong with this setup. Hell you could even just go for the T300RS GT Edition & the F-GT Lite and you'll get the best experience for the money spent. Thrustmaster have such a brilliantly smooth feel thanks to the dual belt driven system in the wheel servo (base) compared to Logitech grinding and offputting gears. Plus you're literally stuck with that tiny wheel forever. With a servo you enjoy you can buy a GT/Rally Sparco Wheel, Ferrari F1/Roadster Wheels, different pedals incl. a load cell if you like, shifters, brake lever's and it will all work as long as it is a Thrustmaster product. I would love to go all out on a true DD system like this, but this setup is like basically £5000 easily. Plus you'll have to deicate an entire room to it forever, and the parts will lose their value. For my setup tho I get to be able to fold it up, change wheels, really great force feedback for a non-DDrive setup and it's pretty comfortable over long sessions as well as being able to change seating positions to a GT Mode or a F1 Mode in like 5mins of tool less adjustment. Each to their own though, but for casual/beginners with the budget of a new 55" mid-range Oled, save your money go for a foldable rig and a t300rs *GT* edition (much better pedals than the standard t300) that you can upgrade cheaply over time. Then if you finally feel like stepping up, you know what it's all about and will get a decent amount back especially if you keep all your original boxes for each part, then move onto a DD Moza or Fanatec in the future with the insane rig & accessories. The hobby is basically as expensive as you want it to be. My ultimate plan is to move on from the T300RS to the top TM wheel at some point, keep my F1 wheel & shifter and also upgrade to a new foldable rig, but right now living in a pretty small apartment you gotta work within your means!
As an avid sim racer, love the content Jay. More of this!
I love that microcenter has sim stuff I recently upgraded my sim to triples and absolutely love it! I personally don't use nivida surround unless I have too. But iracing and AC don't require it and that's 90% of what I play
Got a budget setup for sim drifting. Doing media for drifting events made me wanna learn how to drift and get a car to do it irl some day.
Sparco Seat mount is mounted backwards. that Sparco GP seat is a formula seat should be in a reclined position.
If you are wanting to fit better peddle faces to the Heusinkveld Sprint's (I found my peddle faces started to hurt my feet in endurance races) look into the HRS peddle faces. They are amazing quality, made right here in Australia and are based off of the V8 Supercar peddles. They look great and are far less taxing on your feet (I use rubber based sim socks).
That TK cockpit is gorgeous.
Logitech Pro wheel is direct drive and the pedals are load cell brake. It's comparable to a moza or a fanatec
at the end it is all about training, if you own a "cheap" Logitech or a High End Direct Drive wheel. I was as fast as I am now with a DD Wheel than I was with my TM! At the end of the day, people tend to buy the "best" setup that means most nM which is totally wrong. You probably don't need more than 12nM in a Base if you want to go all in. Same goes for the pedals. You have to feel comfortable using them. If that is a G25, go ahead and use it. At the end, you can even make good lap times with a gamepad !