One thing I wish I discovered sooner was never apply full throttle in low gears when the steering is more than say 45 degrees. This has enabled me to drive without traction control on GT7. From that starting point I then realised just how much throttle I could get away with if you do go beyond 45 degrees, this massively helps with sharp turns. My next upgrade is the load pedals, my trail braking is crap with the G29 pedals
Im a frustrated sim racer Ive had a Playseat Challenge and Logitech bundle for 4 yrs, i race daily 20hrs a week. Upgrading isn't an option for me but i still love it.
Nothing wrong with that, enjoy what you've got, there's always something "better" but that doesn't mean your enjoyment is diminished. Plenty of fast drivers still using the G29, enjoy!
@oktc68 I can consistently stay within the upper 5% on time trials, and I've got under 3% on a handful. I keep telling myself an upgrade will boost my ranking😁
I'm old retired and have two complete rigs, one for console and one for PC. Over the past 2 years I've been buying all the latest Direct drive bases on the market just because I can and want to experience them for my self. In the late 90s I was mainly doing flight sims but went full racing Sims in the mid 2000. I currently use a fanatec DD1 podium for ps5 and a simucube v2 sport for PC. If I where going to recommend a wheel that's good value for money for both PC and console it would be the Logitech Pro. The FFB is spot on and truforce is no joke and is a game changer, the only problem is the pedals although much better than standard pedals. If you have a little more money then the fanatec DD1 podium with the CSL elite V2 pedals, I much prefer the modular mode of the CSL elite V2 pedals over the V3's
If you have any plans for drifting, make sure you're researching the wheel you're getting for it. Some wheels like the G29 and G923/920 have a slower return rate than say a T300RS. You want a faster return rate/stronger motor so that you'll have a better time. You can still drift with a DFGT/G29/etc but it's not gonna be as good of an experience if you had a T300/Direct drive/etc.
@@nickmulinaro3692 It's a good wheel, better than the T300. It's also about the same price as a DD wheel setup though so you might as well check your options there too.
Nice informative video!! I love my tgt2 with gt7 and the psvr2, it's a fantastic experience, no way I'm going back to flat screen racing, it's too much of a game changer. My advice if you plan on mainly playing gt7 like me, buy a tgt2 servo base, if possible at a discount or used, tlcm pedals and the 599xx alcantara 30cm wheel. Killer combo at a somewhat reasonable price, and the tgt2 transducer, exclusive to gt7, is awesome.
Lol I have basically the same setup minus the load cell pedals (but can mod my t3pa for cheap enough), was less than half the price of the a 5nm DD pro in Australia.
I has SC2 Pro l, VRS pedals on 3x27" monitors, before had Reverb G2, but i made setup for my friends son with TGT and PSVR2! Damn i even did not missed my SC2pro! And psvr2 i liked more than G2 as on psvr2 expierence was so smooth, i run on rtx4080 so frames not an issue on G2. I really thonk now about psvr2 by myself just for fun, bit i already has expensive rig!
subbed and liked hey just a heads up you come across great on video its absolutly shocking youve not many subcribers ill send our gt7 race club over, really enjoyed your content thanks
Driving force GT! That grinding was straight cut gears. I had one. That was either my first or second Logitech wheel. The G29 was my third. It boasted helical cut gears. The grinding noise disappeared. I've got one of the first G29s produced, and that's what I've used for almost 10 years now. People crack on them, but when it hit the market, it was cutting edge. I already had dibs on the first one that landed at Electronics Boutique. No one gives it credit for still being in production after this long, and still selling well. You seem to have some long-term experience with this. Are you familiar with the Interact Ultra racer? Similar to a RC car controller. That's what I started with on day one with the original Gran Turismo. They gave the best control at the time, and they were under $15. That was cheap as hell, even back then. I've never played with sticks. Not once. I've been on a G29 and play seat for a long time, and I've just recently thought about upgrading. Now that Logitech offers a DD, I wouldn't mind upgrading wheel/pedals, but it doesn't really seem worth it if I'm stuck on one monitor. VR is a novelty, not an option. I've tried it, and I can see why no one can wear it more than 30 or 40 minutes. I hate that triple monitor support is on the list of things I can't have on PS5, along with Los Santos mods for ACC. I think I spent about $600. You can get the same thing now for about $700. You can't go wrong with a (mid level) Playseat and Logitech. My first Logitech product was a flight stick for PS1 in 1995. They've never disappointed me. Now look into how many people fanatec screwed on Black Friday. They're about to open a Micro Center here.. and I'm going to try to stay away from it😂 if I don't see and touch the new stuff, I might stay happy with what I've got.
If you’re going to stick with PlayStation and GT7.. I HIGHLY recommend VR2 rather than monitors to race. It’s has absolutely blown my mind! Incredible experience.
Apart from the fact that VR makes me sick - still trying - I didn't like that I couldn't change the camera position. I don't want the dashboard to occupy half my view, I wanna see the road!
One of the things I regret is never getting in to actual motorsport, I'd have loved to have gone road racing (motorbike) such as IOM TT. WAY too late now. A chance conversation with a mate at work the other day has led me here. Great advice - thanks. I'm going to scratch my itch and go sim racing. I've subbed by the way, you deserve to be earning from this channel so I hope you smash through a 1000 subs quickly. Cheers Neil
Get a second hand G29, a simple support and buy harder springs (or even a load cell adapter for those pedals) and that's pretty much it for a beginer. It's the cheaper that you can get with a reasonable performance. And it also works on a playstation. When you really get fast with these setup, you can go for a DD. I still feel that It's hard to evolve only on GT7. Get Assetto Corsa Competizione and do some practice on it, when you start learning how to trail brake, go back to GT7 and you will be able to be fast over there too. If you have a PC, iracing is even better to learn how to brake.
I'm a newbie, I'm starting with PS5 pro, playset seat trophy, my TV of choice will be the Samsung 55 qled but I'll begin with my Linux. I'm cheaping out on wheels I'll start with G923 and will upgrade to Simcube 2 Pro a couple of months later. I know I'm ready because I've won almost every trophy on "Real Racing 3". I'm going all in. The only thing i already have is the Linux tv 😂. I've educated myself on TH-cam and know exactly my goal. I already have 2 UE Hyperboom so best of the best sound quality is already guaranteed 👌 😌. I'm documenting all of this.
I have a tgt2 and I have the dd pro and podium dd1 ps4/5 version, and I still use my tgt 2 a lot. I have a dual setup and jump back and forth and the tgt2 is still an excellent base just awkwardly priced too close to the dd pro. I love my Sparco handbrake and shifter and modded h shifter which I can’t use on my fanatec and many tm wheels. If u upgrade from the tgt skip the dd pro go to the dd extreme but there’s nothing wrong with the tgt2 it’s got enough power, gt7 features, ecosystem, spins fast and reacts fast. When I went direct drive I couldn’t part with the tgt so ended up just making a separate setup specifically for it.
I have spent a lot of money on equipment. However this only srated to happen after ten years of being in the hobby. To the new commers, take it eay and make sure this is for you. It gets stupid expensive if not careful . Worth every penny :)
Hey man, justed wanted to say i really like your video. some really great advice in my opinion! i was looking for some advice for a cockpit and think im getting the playseat trophy :)
Bought a cheap drafting table at Ikea. The legs lower. Attach wheel and shifter. Pull up couch. Works great. Rug on floor holds pedals because friction.
Your view and ideas were exact...Sim racing is a hole you can fall down VERY quick, I tried it years ago loved it and have spent $$$ on mistakes or "upgrades" that I thought would benefit me. With the market being as strong as it is now there's sooo many ways to go. I game PS/PC and started out yes I agree go Logitech G923 I believe is the newest version start there see if it's for you first. Pick one up easily secondhand the market is flooded, if you find you do enjoy next thing to look at is yes where your mounting if your upgrading from said Logitech I was dumb I went wheelstand die to space issues but wasn't happy not stable the chair slides when you press on brake whether there's a "tray" or not it lifts... Foldable cockpits again waste of money..2 places you want to focus if you want to start are cockpit/rig and yes pedals, pedals make more of a difference in lap times then base and rim period. Good set of loadcell pedals go miles so that should be looked at when starting, next cockpit but depending on space you have if you have enough dedicated space yes go aluminum profile it's endlessly adjustable and upgradeable..I went the Playseat trophy as well red version and I'm so happy it's got the rigidity sturdiness of 80/20 rigs but also lightweight enough to move out of the way when done. I did go the Fanatec route the at the time offered a F1 podium DD1 which is now disc. but you can find them secondhand and right now id say jump that route before people ram the price up because it's only one that works on PS/PC other then the CSL DD Pro which yes is also a great base 8nm which honestly I set my DD1 at 14 which to me is perfect. Logitechs new direct drive is great but absolutely no ecosystem yet no expandability the wheel you get is the wheel you stay with where Fanatec has a great range of wheels, and 1k for a Logitech setup just is way to high to me, now Thrustmaster just came out with a DD but it's only PC compatible as of now but Thrustmaster has by far the most expansive ecosystem between the 3.
Good video! I'm gonna be a bit negative here. Everybody is saying that load cell pedals are much better, I just don't understand why. I thought I knew physics, but maybe I'm stupid. A pedal with a potentiometer measures the distance or angle, but if you put a spring behind it, which compresses linearly, the measured breaking power will be linear with the force you're pushing it. Same as the load cell, which measures the force directly. So what's the difference?
I had a t248... The pedals broke within a month and the wheel felt so cheap... The plastic seams on the wheel actually "crackle" when you hold it. Returned it after Tmaster support was absolutely abysmal. Would not recommend it to anyone.
I have a T500RS.. Then there was kid 1.. Then kid 2 was coming around... Now the Kids are older and Daddy wanna start racing again 😅 i have a PS5 so maybe i'll get a T300 base with a Sparco wheel. Pedals should be ok i think... Any ideas 🤔 Plus i have a wheelstand 🤪
@@Raes.S Glad to know I'm not the only soft spoken guy out there lol people literally beg for me to use the mic as close as you do. Once again great vid and I look forward to your future content.
Thx 4 this Video, everything that u said was right. If anyone follows your advice, He will save a lot of money AND will have more fun in racing - sim and arcade. I startet with the same logitech as u, upgraded to t150, upgraded with playseat, upgraded to t300, upgraded to next level, Upgrades with t-lcm .... and now im upgrading to direkt drive 😂. So folks, listen to what he tells
Got this recommended. But, I'm actually just kinda thinking of having Wheels on my table. I haven't done anything so in the past. Good to know about basics in Wheels setup over here. I'm also on the budget side of things, So, I'm def. going to check out more low cost Driving gears next to come up with the right combo
Last year I purchased a used T248 combo, that is what I mounted to the desk, I would recommend this over a more basic wheel, if you can get it for a good price used. The used market is a great place to find used wheels and bases from people upgrading their own setup.
3:00 yeah those doesn’t really work you have either wheel low or high , 3:26 make sure you get one that actually fits together , none of the parts in the one I bought actually fitted together( I do not recommend the one on screen)
After many testing (including official licence wheel like T-GT2 and GT DD PRO) , I've found out that Logitech wheels with trueforce are the only usable options for GT7 , without trueforce you can barely feels any curb in that game , so G923 or G PRO wheel if you're mainly playing GT7, end of story.
G923 feels better than T-GT2 in GT7 if it's not clipping , way more detail and road feel, I like driving road car with it, but if the car outputs more force on the stiring wheel , than G923 will probably not gonna handles it very well.
I adjusted my springs for the load cell to match my preferred resistance with a a very small amount of pre load. You want to connect your pedals to a windows computer (with the Thrustmaster application) and fine tune your preferences to get the most out of them.
I designed my own aluminium cockpit, with adjustable pedal tray and monitor stand ( doh im using mostly vr) for around 340€ and got a really nice car seat for 50€. So my Rig was under 400 and is bombproof with tons of adjustability. I would recommend everyone does the same, dont buy that overpriced cockpits they sell everywhere. My cockpit wouldve cost me around 900€+ if i got it from a brand. (but i race only on PC, had allready a 3000€+ pc before getting into simcracing, that helped ofc) Edit: if someone wants the plan and itemslist for the cockpit, i glady help you out. Greatings from Germany, sorry for my poor english.
I got my psvr2 and the first time i played GT 7 i was like 😳. I have the Thrustmaster 310 and it is a good wheel. But i plan on getting a Fantec combo thats PS5 and PC compatible so i can transition to Iracing
I have two streering wheel for playstation logitech streering wheel g 29 it works for ps4 ps3 ps5 The rocket streering wheel for xbox one its is sim racing on a budget
Has this changed on 7 months ps5 starter budget friendly build? Im thinking black friday or cyber monday i hope to find something just dont want to regret what i get
I feel it is still very accurate, it all depends on your budget. Now would be the time to buy if you can find a good sale. Direct drive is the way to go if your budget allows it. Belt driven is also a good economical option at this time.
@Raes.S yt skips these reply notifications sometimes. Thank you for the response I'm not buying unless I get the direct drive. Still haven't got it yet but it's still on the dockett. Thanks for the reply
I do like Playseat as you can tell, but I don’t have any experience with those specific items. It seems to be a good setup to move on from a controller and up your gaming experience.
So I made a mistake buyin the G29 for my ps4 ? As when am steering the car it doesn't fell like its responding accurately is that normal ?What game you recommend other than Gran Turismo a rally one maybe ?
Good informative video thanks. One of the main questions I have though is the TV/screen, you mention being able to us 120hz on PS5. Would you best going for a 4K TV on a sim rig or a gaming monitor? If so, any recommendations? I currently use a Samsung C24F396FHU curved monitor but when I move to a rig, I would like to get a slightly bigger screen, I was thinking 32" as I don't have the room to go bigger than that. Thanks
It all depends on personal preference, I myself have a 27” gaming monitor (Samsung G3), which is only 1080P because this was in my budget. I was thinking about upgrading to the G5 or even G9 but then it was announced that the PSVR2 was getting released so I opted for that instead.
Tip 1: If budget is a problem, a used Logitech wheel keeps the same strength as a new one, these wheels are very reliable. Tip 2: If you want to get something slightly better for semi serious racing or you enjoy sim racing and doesn't want to break the bank, the T300RS GT is your best bet, you get the "affordability" of a Logitech wheel with an actual ecosystem to back it up, shifters, handbrakes, different sets of pedals to choose, decent quality and quite affordable. Also console compatibility. Tip 3: If you really want to get competitive, go for a PC, for wheels, the Moza R5 or Cammus C5. Moza has a full ecosystem and it's one of the most affordable in the market right now, the Cammus C5 is the absolute cheapest direct drive wheel right now, but they don't have a full ecosystem right now.
I’m in the boat of either going for the MOZA set up with R5 and GS wheel vs the Fanatec Clubsport F1 wheelbase combo that’s already compostable with ps5? Which would you recommend?
@@goldar2001 Depends on your budget and platform of choice. If you have a PC and a low budget, the R5 is a no brainer, but if you have a PS4/5, then you are stuck with Fanatec for a DD base, however... There are some considerations to make, the only "exclusive" worth the PS compatibility is GT7, which some say it's a simcade or not a full sim, it's still a great game, and, it might come to PC as Sony intends to release the PSVR2 on PC along with some VR games to boot, GT7 may or may not be in the list. For PC you have *the freedom of choice, Moza has pretty much all the bells and whistles that Fanatec has but way cheaper, and, if you truly care about PS compatibility, there's a device called Ras1ution that gives PS compatibility with most wheels on the market, they have full compatibility with the Moza lineup but it's a little pricey and not that "plug n play" compared to normal compatible wheels. Meaning that, if Moza updates their software, you'll have to update the software on the device as well.
I agree with you on that fact that it does look different with 120hz turned on. You can still achieve 4k resolution in 120hz when you use “resolution mode” and “VRR”. Without VRR enabled you are looking at 1440P.
@@Raes.S Sorry but you are wrong. When using the Resolution mode with VRR, you do get a full 4k resolution, but with a FPS in the range of 70 to 100, usually on the lower side of that. Because the setting is called 120Hz doesn't mean you're getting 120Hz. Think about it, do you really think a game that looks as good as GT7 can run at a consistent 120 fps whilst maintaining full 4K, without any caveats? VRR isn't a one stop shop that fixes everything. I have a LG C1 120Hz VRR Oled TV and can confirm this. I don't think there has been a single AAA game on the current next gen consoles that can run at 120 fps without some kind of graphical down grade, be it in resolution or other graphical features. There is always a trade off. Also, all of this is confirmed by Digital Foundry in one of their recent videos.
Great! Thank you for the feedback, I’ve been using the T300 for almost a year now, I think is a nice servo but not strong enough in some games. I play F1 a lot, the T300 sometimes lacks is power and grip with the road. So I’m trying to do good research on this TGT II and see if it’s worth upgrading to another belt system. Ultimately will be better option to go with a DD drive but I already got all my Thrustmaster gear. Thank you again
I’m sure there is a lot of opinions on this, I quite enjoy GT7 with the wide variety of cars/tracks and will be fun to most people. There is ACC for the more hard core sim fans on console. F1 is fun from time to time. All depends on what you would like to do 👍
I received a T128 for Xmas this year. It did not work. No support for it. Basically trash. Even the F1 2023 would not run properly for Ps5. I would suggest not purchasing either.
Hi love the video, did anyone here lose power to the wheel and knows perhaps how to fix it? I recieved my TGT 2 2 days ago. Brand new. It worket for half an hour on GT7 on PS5. Than i tried dirt rally 2.0 and EA WRC. IT wouldnt work. I realised that you have to switch the GT (usb switch i believe) to OTHER for all games other than GT7. I restarted the ps5. While it was off i switched over to OTHER while i unplugged the usb. As described in the manual. Thats when it wouldnt turn on and its been sitting there. My game shop offered me a repair, im a bit turned off atm. as I've seen a lot of people with this issue on reddit and other sites. Any recommendation would be greatly appreciated. I am uploading a video as we speak. You can go have a look at how i connected it. Maybe im do8ng something wrong. I would like to crack the TGT 2 open and see for my self but that would void my warranty. Im gona try connecting to my pc maybe a software update is needed. I got one of the first ps5 that came out when the shortage was on. Maybe the older ps5. Dont wotk...i dont know anymore. Any imput would be greatly appreciated.
How do you make an entire video about sim racing on console and not mention ecosystem exclusivity? People should know that you can't use a Logitech shifter with a thrustmaster base etc.
This is true, and deserves a video on it’s own. To maintain simplicity I did not add it in as it is supposed to be basic, and not too long. I appreciate the feedback
Yes, maybe. But the times and consistency during the race is very similar i think 0.039 difference on dd behalf. Plenty of people measured the lap times. But on psvr2 the transducer is just mindblowing. It is soo cool u forgoting about that, it is just giving u something extra. Gt3(gr3) cars, on race dont need that but still is nice. Ok but when u going to take leasure sunday ride is just 2x better. Dd pro is plain, is nice but it should have transducer as well. Also the wheel on dd pro is very poor, on gt2 also is better to invest in some sparco ring
If you're going to spend big money and want to race sims you definitely need to go the pc route. The consoles only have Assetto Corsa. Not to mention the modding community. Loads of cars and tracks that you can import. I remember GTR2. I loved GTR2 so much. Adjustable AI behavior, damage, tire wear, fuel usage, weather, loads of tracks and cars from the modding community. Nothing's come close; maybe I just got old...😂
Why do u utubers want us to spend spend ?. I mean we all know why. These seats can easily be made rock solid . Its not neccessary to upgrade . I have also tried DD AND the T-GT11 IS far superior than fanatec . Not a bad vid though . Hertz !!!
Sorry buddy you're on your own and wrong if you think the Thrustmaster belt drive system is "superior than fanatec" by which I'm assuming you meant Thrustmaster's belt drive is better than direct drive. I had Thrustmaster's TS-PC for years and I liked it, it is the same motor and belt drive system as the PlayStation version but lacks the GT only transducer and the massive price tag. I preferred it to Fanatec's belt drive wheelbases. Compared to a direct drive wheelbase, from any manufacturer I've had experience of, belt drives feel slower to react because they are slower to react, a consequence of the dampening effect of the belt drive system. It's not a massive difference, less important than a good set of pedals, but when it comes to catching slides or snap oversteer, it's a big difference. With a direct drive wheelbase, catching slides etc is instinctive, not a big deal or hard won skill, gained thru hours of practice. Given the availability of good quality direct drive wheelbases that come in at lower prices than the PlayStation flavour Thrustmaster, it would be a very odd choice to go with the belt driven Thrustmaster or any other belt drive.
Yes buy a wheel an cockpit for ps which has no racing games worth buying these accessories for...im going pc and i cant wait modded maps and endless possibilities....hate you playstation its like uiu dont even try anymore 😢
Trying to sim race on a console with their feeble FPS? No thanks. For a start the resolution, whatever it is claimed to be, will look worse at low FPS, it also adds to input latency.
brother... with the pc master race banter. no one cares. some people just want to play a game in their living room Cited sources: Myself, an owner of both a modern gaming pc and ps5
This hobby isn't a one time purchase type of thing. You will be constantly upgrading.
This is good advice for beginners though. Great video.
Not if you just go with a fanatec dd extreme. It have 15n torque and you will NEVER need to upgrade.
Dude went from cheap to 1k really fast
Because only 1k update makes sense
That's why u should just go $1000-1500 in the first place. Smh
Imagine if there was a Sim set up for motorcycle
The arcade had them
Thrustmaster made bike handlebars called the freestyler, don't think they caught on to much as it was at the time force feedback wasn't even a thing.
There is but it’s only used for development because there is no motorcycle SIM out there.
Would be good for the Isle of Man TT game
I've always thought about that... would be epic
One thing I wish I discovered sooner was never apply full throttle in low gears when the steering is more than say 45 degrees. This has enabled me to drive without traction control on GT7. From that starting point I then realised just how much throttle I could get away with if you do go beyond 45 degrees, this massively helps with sharp turns. My next upgrade is the load pedals, my trail braking is crap with the G29 pedals
Trail braking can be linked with the steering for some cars or corners.
Im a frustrated sim racer Ive had a Playseat Challenge and Logitech bundle for 4 yrs, i race daily 20hrs a week.
Upgrading isn't an option for me but i still love it.
I'm with you buddy. Play seat Evolution and a g29, got to be about 9 years now.
Nothing wrong with that, enjoy what you've got, there's always something "better" but that doesn't mean your enjoyment is diminished. Plenty of fast drivers still using the G29, enjoy!
@oktc68 I can consistently stay within the upper 5% on time trials, and I've got under 3% on a handful. I keep telling myself an upgrade will boost my ranking😁
I know one simracer on g29 and he is always on podium 😅 So...
I'm old retired and have two complete rigs, one for console and one for PC.
Over the past 2 years I've been buying all the latest Direct drive bases on the market just because I can and want to experience them for my self.
In the late 90s I was mainly doing flight sims but went full racing Sims in the mid 2000.
I currently use a fanatec DD1 podium for ps5 and a simucube v2 sport for PC.
If I where going to recommend a wheel that's good value for money for both PC and console it would be the Logitech Pro. The FFB is spot on and truforce is no joke and is a game changer, the only problem is the pedals although much better than standard pedals.
If you have a little more money then the fanatec DD1 podium with the CSL elite V2 pedals, I much prefer the modular mode of the CSL elite V2 pedals over the V3's
Thank you very much for the recommendation, one day I would love to try out the Logitech Pro, looks like a solid piece of equipment.
@@Raes.S It is. I bought one awhile ago. Sims are not the same anymore. I have so much more control now.
Awesome honest Review! Love yr cute Roomba calmly working while you work them padels.
Thanks for the tips~
I did not notice it until I was editing, but it makes for a more interesting scene for sure!
If you have any plans for drifting, make sure you're researching the wheel you're getting for it. Some wheels like the G29 and G923/920 have a slower return rate than say a T300RS. You want a faster return rate/stronger motor so that you'll have a better time. You can still drift with a DFGT/G29/etc but it's not gonna be as good of an experience if you had a T300/Direct drive/etc.
Excellent advice, thank you! The T248 is noticeably slow to return the wheel to zero as well.
Very hard to drift a dfgt without a clutch as well
@@jeff666p Exactly. Couldn't clutch kick for shit, I had my controller at the side acting as a clutch and an ebrake specifically for that.
What about the TGT2? I was wanting to buy that for drifting specifically
@@nickmulinaro3692 It's a good wheel, better than the T300. It's also about the same price as a DD wheel setup though so you might as well check your options there too.
Nice informative video!! I love my tgt2 with gt7 and the psvr2, it's a fantastic experience, no way I'm going back to flat screen racing, it's too much of a game changer. My advice if you plan on mainly playing gt7 like me, buy a tgt2 servo base, if possible at a discount or used, tlcm pedals and the 599xx alcantara 30cm wheel. Killer combo at a somewhat reasonable price, and the tgt2 transducer, exclusive to gt7, is awesome.
Thank you, I really like the look of that Ferrari wheel! Maybe one day…
Lol I have basically the same setup minus the load cell pedals (but can mod my t3pa for cheap enough), was less than half the price of the a 5nm DD pro in Australia.
I has SC2 Pro l, VRS pedals on 3x27" monitors, before had Reverb G2, but i made setup for my friends son with TGT and PSVR2! Damn i even did not missed my SC2pro! And psvr2 i liked more than G2 as on psvr2 expierence was so smooth, i run on rtx4080 so frames not an issue on G2. I really thonk now about psvr2 by myself just for fun, bit i already has expensive rig!
Yeah psvr2 is fantastic.
I’m wanting to get this exact set up for drifting. Couldn’t drift for shit with my G920, can you drift easier on the TGT2?
Some nights I still play with controller when I don’t feel like actually driving I’ll go back to the throwback & chill out with the controller
Same man controller is just easier
I actually prefer controller on longer races
subbed and liked hey just a heads up you come across great on video its absolutly shocking youve not many subcribers ill send our gt7 race club over, really enjoyed your content thanks
Driving force GT! That grinding was straight cut gears. I had one. That was either my first or second Logitech wheel. The G29 was my third. It boasted helical cut gears. The grinding noise disappeared. I've got one of the first G29s produced, and that's what I've used for almost 10 years now. People crack on them, but when it hit the market, it was cutting edge. I already had dibs on the first one that landed at Electronics Boutique. No one gives it credit for still being in production after this long, and still selling well. You seem to have some long-term experience with this. Are you familiar with the Interact Ultra racer? Similar to a RC car controller. That's what I started with on day one with the original Gran Turismo. They gave the best control at the time, and they were under $15. That was cheap as hell, even back then. I've never played with sticks. Not once. I've been on a G29 and play seat for a long time, and I've just recently thought about upgrading. Now that Logitech offers a DD, I wouldn't mind upgrading wheel/pedals, but it doesn't really seem worth it if I'm stuck on one monitor. VR is a novelty, not an option. I've tried it, and I can see why no one can wear it more than 30 or 40 minutes. I hate that triple monitor support is on the list of things I can't have on PS5, along with Los Santos mods for ACC.
I think I spent about $600. You can get the same thing now for about $700. You can't go wrong with a (mid level) Playseat and Logitech. My first Logitech product was a flight stick for PS1 in 1995. They've never disappointed me. Now look into how many people fanatec screwed on Black Friday.
They're about to open a Micro Center here.. and I'm going to try to stay away from it😂 if I don't see and touch the new stuff, I might stay happy with what I've got.
Psvr2, GT7, decent wheel. It's a stunning experience.
One word, Exquisite.
What wheel/pedals do you recommend? I'm leaning towards logitech g pro
If you’re going to stick with PlayStation and GT7.. I HIGHLY recommend VR2 rather than monitors to race. It’s has absolutely blown my mind! Incredible experience.
Apart from the fact that VR makes me sick - still trying - I didn't like that I couldn't change the camera position. I don't want the dashboard to occupy half my view, I wanna see the road!
Keep it up bro and thank you so much this helped a lot.
Thank you and fantastic video
One of the things I regret is never getting in to actual motorsport, I'd have loved to have gone road racing (motorbike) such as IOM TT. WAY too late now. A chance conversation with a mate at work the other day has led me here. Great advice - thanks. I'm going to scratch my itch and go sim racing. I've subbed by the way, you deserve to be earning from this channel so I hope you smash through a 1000 subs quickly.
Cheers
Neil
Informative and fun in one go, loved the video!
Get a second hand G29, a simple support and buy harder springs (or even a load cell adapter for those pedals) and that's pretty much it for a beginer. It's the cheaper that you can get with a reasonable performance. And it also works on a playstation. When you really get fast with these setup, you can go for a DD. I still feel that It's hard to evolve only on GT7. Get Assetto Corsa Competizione and do some practice on it, when you start learning how to trail brake, go back to GT7 and you will be able to be fast over there too. If you have a PC, iracing is even better to learn how to brake.
I'm a newbie, I'm starting with
PS5 pro, playset seat trophy, my TV of choice will be the Samsung 55 qled but I'll begin with my Linux. I'm cheaping out on wheels I'll start with G923 and will upgrade to Simcube 2 Pro a couple of months later. I know I'm ready because I've won almost every trophy on "Real Racing 3". I'm going all in. The only thing i already have is the Linux tv 😂.
I've educated myself on TH-cam and know exactly my goal. I already have 2 UE Hyperboom so best of the best sound quality is already guaranteed 👌 😌. I'm documenting all of this.
Thx! Nice Advice... Just need to save a little more money to buy what I want now :-)
Thank you! Happy to help!
I have a tgt2 and I have the dd pro and podium dd1 ps4/5 version, and I still use my tgt 2 a lot. I have a dual setup and jump back and forth and the tgt2 is still an excellent base just awkwardly priced too close to the dd pro. I love my Sparco handbrake and shifter and modded h shifter which I can’t use on my fanatec and many tm wheels. If u upgrade from the tgt skip the dd pro go to the dd extreme but there’s nothing wrong with the tgt2 it’s got enough power, gt7 features, ecosystem, spins fast and reacts fast. When I went direct drive I couldn’t part with the tgt so ended up just making a separate setup specifically for it.
I have spent a lot of money on equipment. However this only srated to happen after ten years of being in the hobby. To the new commers, take it eay and make sure this is for you. It gets stupid expensive if not careful . Worth every penny :)
Just the rumba in the background😂
I was waiting for this comment! I only noticed it when editing B-roll.
Hey man, justed wanted to say i really like your video. some really great advice in my opinion! i was looking for some advice for a cockpit and think im getting the playseat trophy :)
Awesome, can’t go wrong in my opinion with the Trophy! Have fun!
Bought a cheap drafting table at Ikea. The legs lower. Attach wheel and shifter. Pull up couch. Works great. Rug on floor holds pedals because friction.
I’ve got the PS5 Pro and the PSVR 2, I want a wheel to experience VR driving, I’ve heard the G29 is pretty good and it’s on sale for Black Friday
Id save a bit more get gt2 from thrustmaster
Great vid mate! would be great to see a pedal cam vid racing gameplay from the angle at 11:49 if you ever get a chance!
Your view and ideas were exact...Sim racing is a hole you can fall down VERY quick, I tried it years ago loved it and have spent $$$ on mistakes or "upgrades" that I thought would benefit me. With the market being as strong as it is now there's sooo many ways to go. I game PS/PC and started out yes I agree go Logitech G923 I believe is the newest version start there see if it's for you first. Pick one up easily secondhand the market is flooded, if you find you do enjoy next thing to look at is yes where your mounting if your upgrading from said Logitech I was dumb I went wheelstand die to space issues but wasn't happy not stable the chair slides when you press on brake whether there's a "tray" or not it lifts... Foldable cockpits again waste of money..2 places you want to focus if you want to start are cockpit/rig and yes pedals, pedals make more of a difference in lap times then base and rim period. Good set of loadcell pedals go miles so that should be looked at when starting, next cockpit but depending on space you have if you have enough dedicated space yes go aluminum profile it's endlessly adjustable and upgradeable..I went the Playseat trophy as well red version and I'm so happy it's got the rigidity sturdiness of 80/20 rigs but also lightweight enough to move out of the way when done. I did go the Fanatec route the at the time offered a F1 podium DD1 which is now disc. but you can find them secondhand and right now id say jump that route before people ram the price up because it's only one that works on PS/PC other then the CSL DD Pro which yes is also a great base 8nm which honestly I set my DD1 at 14 which to me is perfect. Logitechs new direct drive is great but absolutely no ecosystem yet no expandability the wheel you get is the wheel you stay with where Fanatec has a great range of wheels, and 1k for a Logitech setup just is way to high to me, now Thrustmaster just came out with a DD but it's only PC compatible as of now but Thrustmaster has by far the most expansive ecosystem between the 3.
lol years ago I had my wheel mounted to a cardboard box and used pvc to stiffen it up. Now I have a cockpit.
Bro your hair is glorious. Looks like game graphics, like the hair in NBA 2K😂
Thank you my friend, just went to the groomers for the video. Follow for more hair tips…
I am still at my desk with my Fanatec Inverted Pedals with Loadsell brake..... Get some pedals that font flip around and you are good to go....
I have the fanatec dd pro on my gt omega art cockpit. I sure recommend these.
And i come from a playseat challenge and a t300 rs gt.
I have that old Logitech wheel on my floor right now. Just bout a used set up for 300
Glad I was not the only one using it. GT5 days, and lets not forget prologue.
I’d stick to my ps5 because I have my 65 inch tv. Playing racing games on my 27 inch monitor on my pc dosnt do it for me.
I upgraded from a Playseat Challenge to the Playseat Trophy. Coming this Monday! Slowly but surely upgrading!!
You will not regret it, I love my “Trophy”
Great video bro keep making great video 👏🏾
Thanks for the support! 🤜
Yo bro 🇧🇪 proud to be Belgian 🇧🇪 😊
Good video! I'm gonna be a bit negative here.
Everybody is saying that load cell pedals are much better, I just don't understand why. I thought I knew physics, but maybe I'm stupid. A pedal with a potentiometer measures the distance or angle, but if you put a spring behind it, which compresses linearly, the measured breaking power will be linear with the force you're pushing it. Same as the load cell, which measures the force directly. So what's the difference?
I had a t248... The pedals broke within a month and the wheel felt so cheap... The plastic seams on the wheel actually "crackle" when you hold it.
Returned it after Tmaster support was absolutely abysmal. Would not recommend it to anyone.
I have a T500RS.. Then there was kid 1.. Then kid 2 was coming around... Now the Kids are older and Daddy wanna start racing again 😅 i have a PS5 so maybe i'll get a T300 base with a Sparco wheel. Pedals should be ok i think... Any ideas 🤔
Plus i have a wheelstand 🤪
No better time than the present! I have a video on the Sparco R383 if you are interested in that wheel.
@@Raes.S i think im looking for the Sparco P310.. but i'll watch your Video 😁
solid video! what are your mic settings? sounded like a pure pro on the mic
Thank you for the kind words! I use the HyperX DuoCast microphone, the default settings BUT I crank up the volume to the max as I am soft spoken.
@@Raes.S Glad to know I'm not the only soft spoken guy out there lol people literally beg for me to use the mic as close as you do. Once again great vid and I look forward to your future content.
Thx 4 this Video, everything that u said was right. If anyone follows your advice, He will save a lot of money AND will have more fun in racing - sim and arcade. I startet with the same logitech as u, upgraded to t150, upgraded with playseat, upgraded to t300, upgraded to next level, Upgrades with t-lcm .... and now im upgrading to direkt drive 😂. So folks, listen to what he tells
Got this recommended. But, I'm actually just kinda thinking of having Wheels on my table. I haven't done anything so in the past. Good to know about basics in Wheels setup over here. I'm also on the budget side of things, So, I'm def. going to check out more low cost Driving gears next to come up with the right combo
Last year I purchased a used T248 combo, that is what I mounted to the desk, I would recommend this over a more basic wheel, if you can get it for a good price used. The used market is a great place to find used wheels and bases from people upgrading their own setup.
would love it if you review the tgt2!
I am sure I can make that happen, hit the bell and stay tuned!
@@Raes.S subbed ever since the start, love the content.
I love it, thank you for the support!
3:00 yeah those doesn’t really work you have either wheel low or high ,
3:26 make sure you get one that actually fits together , none of the parts in the one I bought actually fitted together( I do not recommend the one on screen)
After many testing (including official licence wheel like T-GT2 and GT DD PRO) , I've found out that Logitech wheels with trueforce are the only usable options for GT7 , without trueforce you can barely feels any curb in that game , so G923 or G PRO wheel if you're mainly playing GT7, end of story.
G923 feels better than T-GT2 in GT7 if it's not clipping , way more detail and road feel, I like driving road car with it, but if the car outputs more force on the stiring wheel , than G923 will probably not gonna handles it very well.
Nice vid mate. Thanks 👍🏽
Hey, thanks! 👌
FYI your camera is flipping to mirrored at 1:00. Just letting you know.
Well spotted! I did do it on purpose, changes the scenery a bit, so it does not get too dull…
Any calibration needed when upgrading pedals for PS5 ?
I adjusted my springs for the load cell to match my preferred resistance with a a very small amount of pre load. You want to connect your pedals to a windows computer (with the Thrustmaster application) and fine tune your preferences to get the most out of them.
@@Raes.S thx. Just curious because I’m a plug and play type lol
Learnt the hard way that the break pedal is the most important part of any set up rig :)
I designed my own aluminium cockpit, with adjustable pedal tray and monitor stand ( doh im using mostly vr) for around 340€ and got a really nice car seat for 50€. So my Rig was under 400 and is bombproof with tons of adjustability. I would recommend everyone does the same, dont buy that overpriced cockpits they sell everywhere. My cockpit wouldve cost me around 900€+ if i got it from a brand. (but i race only on PC, had allready a 3000€+ pc before getting into simcracing, that helped ofc)
Edit: if someone wants the plan and itemslist for the cockpit, i glady help you out.
Greatings from Germany, sorry for my poor english.
Can you send me blueprint please
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@@kex300 i would suggest to get more bolts and stuff, this plan is without the monitor stand.
Can you give the blueprint
I have the driving force gt. I think I got 15 years ago. Looking to build a fanatec set up though. The wheel has gotten twitchy over the years
Wow that's a fat thing. Have you seen the Moza bases ?
I actually started going to the gym recently…
Ditch Gran Turismo. Upgraded from 6 to 7 and I wish I hadn't.
I started with the Log DFGT. Lol. Now at a T300 RS GT with TLCM now.
I got my psvr2 and the first time i played GT 7 i was like 😳. I have the Thrustmaster 310 and it is a good wheel. But i plan on getting a Fantec combo thats PS5 and PC compatible so i can transition to Iracing
I have two streering wheel for playstation logitech streering wheel g 29 it works for ps4 ps3 ps5
The rocket streering wheel for xbox one its is sim racing on a budget
@Raes.S Thrustmaster T128 is good for starting?
Has this changed on 7 months ps5 starter budget friendly build? Im thinking black friday or cyber monday i hope to find something just dont want to regret what i get
I feel it is still very accurate, it all depends on your budget. Now would be the time to buy if you can find a good sale. Direct drive is the way to go if your budget allows it. Belt driven is also a good economical option at this time.
@Raes.S yt skips these reply notifications sometimes. Thank you for the response I'm not buying unless I get the direct drive. Still haven't got it yet but it's still on the dockett. Thanks for the reply
Personally I’d tell them to stick with a TGT2. Your wheel you have there is fantastic.
I do love the T-GT II, more torque than I was expecting and I like the quick snap back for drifting/rally.
Would you recommend playseat challenge x and g923
I do like Playseat as you can tell, but I don’t have any experience with those specific items. It seems to be a good setup to move on from a controller and up your gaming experience.
@@Raes.S ty for the advice, will buy
So I made a mistake buyin the G29 for my ps4 ? As when am steering the car it doesn't fell like its responding accurately is that normal ?What game you recommend other than Gran Turismo a rally one maybe ?
Can I use a t300 rs gt on the crew ps5?
As with any hobby, you can spend as little or as much as you like.
Good informative video thanks. One of the main questions I have though is the TV/screen, you mention being able to us 120hz on PS5. Would you best going for a 4K TV on a sim rig or a gaming monitor? If so, any recommendations? I currently use a Samsung C24F396FHU curved monitor but when I move to a rig, I would like to get a slightly bigger screen, I was thinking 32" as I don't have the room to go bigger than that. Thanks
It all depends on personal preference, I myself have a 27” gaming monitor (Samsung G3), which is only 1080P because this was in my budget. I was thinking about upgrading to the G5 or even G9 but then it was announced that the PSVR2 was getting released so I opted for that instead.
hello! what monitor do you use?
Hi! Samsung G3 Odyssey 27”
Did anyone having a Thrustmaster GT-T II have any trouble with it actually working with your ps5
drive hub makes playstation compatibility great
Tip 1: If budget is a problem, a used Logitech wheel keeps the same strength as a new one, these wheels are very reliable.
Tip 2: If you want to get something slightly better for semi serious racing or you enjoy sim racing and doesn't want to break the bank, the T300RS GT is your best bet, you get the "affordability" of a Logitech wheel with an actual ecosystem to back it up, shifters, handbrakes, different sets of pedals to choose, decent quality and quite affordable. Also console compatibility.
Tip 3: If you really want to get competitive, go for a PC, for wheels, the Moza R5 or Cammus C5. Moza has a full ecosystem and it's one of the most affordable in the market right now, the Cammus C5 is the absolute cheapest direct drive wheel right now, but they don't have a full ecosystem right now.
I’m in the boat of either going for the MOZA set up with R5 and GS wheel vs the Fanatec Clubsport F1 wheelbase combo that’s already compostable with ps5? Which would you recommend?
@@goldar2001 Depends on your budget and platform of choice. If you have a PC and a low budget, the R5 is a no brainer, but if you have a PS4/5, then you are stuck with Fanatec for a DD base, however...
There are some considerations to make, the only "exclusive" worth the PS compatibility is GT7, which some say it's a simcade or not a full sim, it's still a great game, and, it might come to PC as Sony intends to release the PSVR2 on PC along with some VR games to boot, GT7 may or may not be in the list.
For PC you have *the freedom of choice, Moza has pretty much all the bells and whistles that Fanatec has but way cheaper, and, if you truly care about PS compatibility, there's a device called Ras1ution that gives PS compatibility with most wheels on the market, they have full compatibility with the Moza lineup but it's a little pricey and not that "plug n play" compared to normal compatible wheels. Meaning that, if Moza updates their software, you'll have to update the software on the device as well.
Gt7 does not get anywhere near to 120 fps at 4k. To reach that target, the game plays at 1080p and looks significantly worse.
I agree with you on that fact that it does look different with 120hz turned on. You can still achieve 4k resolution in 120hz when you use “resolution mode” and “VRR”. Without VRR enabled you are looking at 1440P.
@@Raes.S Sorry but you are wrong. When using the Resolution mode with VRR, you do get a full 4k resolution, but with a FPS in the range of 70 to 100, usually on the lower side of that. Because the setting is called 120Hz doesn't mean you're getting 120Hz. Think about it, do you really think a game that looks as good as GT7 can run at a consistent 120 fps whilst maintaining full 4K, without any caveats? VRR isn't a one stop shop that fixes everything. I have a LG C1 120Hz VRR Oled TV and can confirm this. I don't think there has been a single AAA game on the current next gen consoles that can run at 120 fps without some kind of graphical down grade, be it in resolution or other graphical features. There is always a trade off. Also, all of this is confirmed by Digital Foundry in one of their recent videos.
Whats the cockpit you're using?
Playseat Trophy 🏆
@@Raes.S 👌
is this base good with F1 series games? Thanks!
I find it to be very good with F1 games, especially combined with my Ferrari wheel.
Great! Thank you for the feedback, I’ve been using the T300 for almost a year now, I think is a nice servo but not strong enough in some games. I play F1 a lot, the T300 sometimes lacks is power and grip with the road. So I’m trying to do good research on this TGT II and see if it’s worth upgrading to another belt system. Ultimately will be better option to go with a DD drive but I already got all my Thrustmaster gear.
Thank you again
This is the way
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what is the best sim racing games on Ps4
I’m sure there is a lot of opinions on this, I quite enjoy GT7 with the wide variety of cars/tracks and will be fun to most people. There is ACC for the more hard core sim fans on console. F1 is fun from time to time. All depends on what you would like to do 👍
im not saying tgt 2 is a bad wheel but that money could have been better spent on direct drive system
I received a T128 for Xmas this year. It did not work. No support for it. Basically trash. Even the F1 2023 would not run properly for Ps5. I would suggest not purchasing either.
Hi love the video, did anyone here lose power to the wheel and knows perhaps how to fix it? I recieved my TGT 2 2 days ago. Brand new. It worket for half an hour on GT7 on PS5. Than i tried dirt rally 2.0 and EA WRC. IT wouldnt work. I realised that you have to switch the GT (usb switch i believe) to OTHER for all games other than GT7. I restarted the ps5. While it was off i switched over to OTHER while i unplugged the usb. As described in the manual. Thats when it wouldnt turn on and its been sitting there.
My game shop offered me a repair, im a bit turned off atm. as I've seen a lot of people with this issue on reddit and other sites.
Any recommendation would be greatly appreciated. I am uploading a video as we speak. You can go have a look at how i connected it. Maybe im do8ng something wrong. I would like to crack the TGT 2 open and see for my self but that would void my warranty. Im gona try connecting to my pc maybe a software update is needed. I got one of the first ps5 that came out when the shortage was on. Maybe the older ps5. Dont wotk...i dont know anymore.
Any imput would be greatly appreciated.
How do you make an entire video about sim racing on console and not mention ecosystem exclusivity? People should know that you can't use a Logitech shifter with a thrustmaster base etc.
This is true, and deserves a video on it’s own. To maintain simplicity I did not add it in as it is supposed to be basic, and not too long. I appreciate the feedback
You can with a drive hub .
Actually the feeling is wayyyyy better on a direct drive my lap times improved sooo much more cause I got back feed back information
Yes, maybe. But the times and consistency during the race is very similar i think 0.039 difference on dd behalf. Plenty of people measured the lap times. But on psvr2 the transducer is just mindblowing. It is soo cool u forgoting about that, it is just giving u something extra. Gt3(gr3) cars, on race dont need that but still is nice. Ok but when u going to take leasure sunday ride is just 2x better. Dd pro is plain, is nice but it should have transducer as well. Also the wheel on dd pro is very poor, on gt2 also is better to invest in some sparco ring
If you're going to spend big money and want to race sims you definitely need to go the pc route. The consoles only have Assetto Corsa. Not to mention the modding community. Loads of cars and tracks that you can import.
I remember GTR2. I loved GTR2 so much. Adjustable AI behavior, damage, tire wear, fuel usage, weather, loads of tracks and cars from the modding community. Nothing's come close; maybe I just got old...😂
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Bro get to the point geezus
Looks weird to me when I see you're using your left foot to brake.
They use both feet when racing.
Left foot braking is the way to go 👍
As long it works on ps3 i will consider to buy one
Why are you wearing a helmet in your thumbnail? LMAO! Hilarious! You really don’t do that, right?
Added a little bit of personality to the thumbnail. Maybe I should? Someone should make a VR helmet for sim racing, I would buy it.
ok Bryan Mosling.
The DD pro is a great base 5x better than a t-300
Why do u utubers want us to spend spend ?. I mean we all know why. These seats can easily be made rock solid . Its not neccessary to upgrade . I have also tried DD AND the T-GT11 IS far superior than fanatec . Not a bad vid though . Hertz !!!
Sorry buddy you're on your own and wrong if you think the Thrustmaster belt drive system is "superior than fanatec" by which I'm assuming you meant Thrustmaster's belt drive is better than direct drive. I had Thrustmaster's TS-PC for years and I liked it, it is the same motor and belt drive system as the PlayStation version but lacks the GT only transducer and the massive price tag. I preferred it to Fanatec's belt drive wheelbases. Compared to a direct drive wheelbase, from any manufacturer I've had experience of, belt drives feel slower to react because they are slower to react, a consequence of the dampening effect of the belt drive system. It's not a massive difference, less important than a good set of pedals, but when it comes to catching slides or snap oversteer, it's a big difference. With a direct drive wheelbase, catching slides etc is instinctive, not a big deal or hard won skill, gained thru hours of practice. Given the availability of good quality direct drive wheelbases that come in at lower prices than the PlayStation flavour Thrustmaster, it would be a very odd choice to go with the belt driven Thrustmaster or any other belt drive.
I personally wouldn’t buy any wheel beneath a fanatec dd still cheap but miles ahead of a Logitech or Thrustmaster
PlayStation edition… immediately starts telling me to get a gaming pc.
The G29 is your best bet. Without a doubt. No matter what anyone says
Yes buy a wheel an cockpit for ps which has no racing games worth buying these accessories for...im going pc and i cant wait modded maps and endless possibilities....hate you playstation its like uiu dont even try anymore 😢
You obviously don't understand the concept of opinions 👍
Get a mic holder..
It's total tosh to make the statement that you can not be a pro driver on PS in GT7 . TOTAL utter bunk
John 3:16 NIV
[16] For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Trying to sim race on a console with their feeble FPS? No thanks. For a start the resolution, whatever it is claimed to be, will look worse at low FPS, it also adds to input latency.
brother... with the pc master race banter. no one cares. some people just want to play a game in their living room
Cited sources: Myself, an owner of both a modern gaming pc and ps5
The advice i would give is, Sell! the playstation and use the money to buy a good second hand Pc"😊
lol look at this over sized paper weight of a wheelbase 😂 trashmaster still losing at the sim racing level and same with logijunk!!
That’s your opinion 😂
Does stick with controller,don't buy a wheel and waste your money
Doesn’t.