I'm at one minute in, and I bet you say this later but... Maybe equipment is in the dossier so they can change it every season without having to errata their rules.
Regarding razor wire: So even though this is terrain and is not Insignificant you don't have to climb over? crossing isn't really a keyword so RAW this would add another 2" for a Climb. Needs an FAQ imo
@@aligaterr5137 The intent is pretty obvious, but you have to actually argue against the letter of the rules which is not great in a competitive game like Kill Team
Yes very odd, whether you have to pay the 2" climb if you cross over any part of the model itself, since as well its effect covers a 4" gap, if any part of your model passes within 1" you have to pay the 2". Needs a diagram with the FAQ; does going along it length-wise within 1" count as "crossing"?
Thanks! Still confused about one thing: if you select "light barricades", you take two, but there are only two in the set, I think? So if both sides want light barricades, you rely on one player already having a set from V2.0? In most cases that'd be true, but still... Everything else seems to be in the set twice...
@@CanYouRollaCrit that doesn't sound too bad but many table bumps have screwed up barricade placement, specially on beta decima. Had a barricade fall from the top point hit a mandrake who tumbled into my aquila which ate floor and snapped. I fixed it made it more durable, but you could hear a pen drop in that room when it happened.
How’s the smoke grenade work area wise? If it’s 1” basically only one operative can hide behind it? Or it’s 1”from the centre of the marker (creating the same 2” circle?)
Thank you for the great overview! To me so many of these features seem too gimmicky or overly convoluted. Mines seem pretty bad, I guess Astartes are now stopped by razor wire (?!), the ammo cache seems plain weird since ammunition and reloading has never been part of the simulation, so to speak. I like a lot of things about the new Kill Team but this section is not one of them.
Having to pay £27 for like one sprue of little plastic ladders is my main barrier to playing 3rd edition. I've so much other stuff to get and having to buy that box annoys me so much 😂😂
I have a question for ladders. Could I use some token for them or there is need to use 3D model? Because I dont know what is utility of those "closed" ladders (the tiny ones),
i would have liked to see razor wire and ladders gain more distance on the killzone, maybe 3-4" from the opponents drop zone. more opportunity to set up advantageous vantage points or block off rapid movement through their own territory
@@CanYouRollaCritthat there aren't enough ladders for 2 teams in this box is inexcusable imo.. Seems intentional to sell their overpriced expansion kit... That's a weird gimmicky move for GW.. The box should support 2 teams
I'm at one minute in, and I bet you say this later but... Maybe equipment is in the dossier so they can change it every season without having to errata their rules.
Maybe, it's possible
Regarding razor wire: So even though this is terrain and is not Insignificant you don't have to climb over? crossing isn't really a keyword so RAW this would add another 2" for a Climb.
Needs an FAQ imo
Yeah I believe it is getting an FAQ
I believe it is intended to slow movement by 2" and you can't end in it, no climbing present
@@aligaterr5137 The intent is pretty obvious, but you have to actually argue against the letter of the rules which is not great in a competitive game like Kill Team
RAI yes but RAW you have to climb it atm
Yes very odd, whether you have to pay the 2" climb if you cross over any part of the model itself, since as well its effect covers a 4" gap, if any part of your model passes within 1" you have to pay the 2". Needs a diagram with the FAQ; does going along it length-wise within 1" count as "crossing"?
Im not sure i like having all that extra equipment to haul around. It makes it harder to start as a newbie as well incur a extra costs
Yeah that's the only annoying thing, trying to find a small case for them atm
You can always just use the token. But it looks great
@@Randobar I don't think you can for some like the ladder or the barriers
Thanks! Still confused about one thing: if you select "light barricades", you take two, but there are only two in the set, I think? So if both sides want light barricades, you rely on one player already having a set from V2.0? In most cases that'd be true, but still... Everything else seems to be in the set twice...
Yeah just unfortunate for light barricades
We’ve got the same problem for ladders too
I think this is going to clutter the board and then it’s gonna make moving pieces a pain. How many times have you seen a terrain bump?
It's not that much. Generally people are taking 2 ladders or a barricade so similar to last edition with its barricades
@@CanYouRollaCrit that doesn't sound too bad but many table bumps have screwed up barricade placement, specially on beta decima. Had a barricade fall from the top point hit a mandrake who tumbled into my aquila which ate floor and snapped. I fixed it made it more durable, but you could hear a pen drop in that room when it happened.
Sooo 2 ladders and barbed whire, and ammo crate for my yaegirs
A solid pick!
@@CanYouRollaCrit Thanks, i was thinking a crate could be allot of fun next to the gunner and rifelkin
How’s the smoke grenade work area wise? If it’s 1” basically only one operative can hide behind it? Or it’s 1”from the centre of the marker (creating the same 2” circle?)
Can fit 2 32mm based operatives (:
@@CanYouRollaCrit still confused
You never measure from the centre of markers now, only the edge
@@CanYouRollaCrit ah got it… for the smoke marker, are we talking about the new 3D one or a round cardboard one?
You use the card tokens for smoke (:
Liking the new edition!
Same, me too! It's great!
Thank you for the great overview! To me so many of these features seem too gimmicky or overly convoluted. Mines seem pretty bad, I guess Astartes are now stopped by razor wire (?!), the ammo cache seems plain weird since ammunition and reloading has never been part of the simulation, so to speak.
I like a lot of things about the new Kill Team but this section is not one of them.
Ah it works a lot more in practice, they're really great additions
So which ones of these need an actual physical model vs being possibly/best used as a token? Barbed wire, the various barricades, ladders?
What you need physical models for: Ladders, Heavy Barricades, Light Barricades, Portable Barricades, Minefield, Razor Wire (:
@@CanYouRollaCrit perfect thanks!
Feels like every player needs a full set of every item.
@andanotherthing6687 yup they do basically
Having to pay £27 for like one sprue of little plastic ladders is my main barrier to playing 3rd edition. I've so much other stuff to get and having to buy that box annoys me so much 😂😂
This actually starts to make bheta decima enjoyable to play which is sort of weird
Yeah it's a nice surprise
What exactly is that "Support" from comms device is that a key word on operative?
It's a keyword for certain actions
I have a question for ladders. Could I use some token for them or there is need to use 3D model? Because I dont know what is utility of those "closed" ladders (the tiny ones),
You need to use the physical ladders, tokens don't work
@@CanYouRollaCrit Why don't tokens work? The collapsed ladder is basically a token anyway
If my opponent wanted to use a token, knowing how tall the standard ladder is, I'd allow it. YMMV, and of course check with your TO at any event.
Its annoying that you still use cardboard tokens honestly.
For?
is the ‘barbed wire’ also a measure from a point in space equipment or is it a physical shape on the board like a barricade?
It's the physical model
@@CanYouRollaCrit thanks!
Im looking to kitbash some of the equipment. What are card token sizes for these?
All card tokens are 20mm
@@CanYouRollaCrit Awesome. For the life of me. I couldn't find a straight answer. Thank you!
i would have liked to see razor wire and ladders gain more distance on the killzone, maybe 3-4" from the opponents drop zone. more opportunity to set up advantageous vantage points or block off rapid movement through their own territory
Nah then they'd be broken
Waiting for someone to propose aeldari versions 😢
Maybe on etsy?
@@CanYouRollaCrit that's my hope
Is this kit enough for two players?
Only ladders you need an extra 2 of sadly
😮
@@CanYouRollaCritthat there aren't enough ladders for 2 teams in this box is inexcusable imo.. Seems intentional to sell their overpriced expansion kit... That's a weird gimmicky move for GW.. The box should support 2 teams