Broke the epoxy on my Wilson Player Fit ( starter set ) driver on the day I got it on the 5th ball strike, not a scratch on shaft or the head head. Wilson wanted nothing to do with the warranty and the retailer wanted to charge me for shipping ( illegal in EU ) and told me it would take around 3 weeks. Ended up gluing it back together by myself. When I eventually upgrade, Wilson is not on the list of possibilities even if they give em out for free.
Excellent value and looks. Have you tried the Dynapower Forged model? I'm a higher handicap and the XL and Dynapower are on my list (as are the Mizuno 925 Hotmetal High Launch and the new Adams Idea irons). Great videos and content- enjoy the channel! Sub'd!
I played Pings for 35+ years and I was fitted this year and I went with the Cleveland XL Zipcore. I love them and hit them so well. Best decision I’ve made for my golf game.
After playing with a set of Wilson D9 forged for a while now i wouldn't look anywhere else to be honest. They're as good as anything I've used over the years and much more affordable. Club snobbery is a real thing
Club snobbery is called being a magpie. Definitely a real thing. I'm definitely one of them. Although I have no idea why. All you're really paying for is brand name recognition. All that "new technology," is bs. But I do think 3D printed clubs are the next level of improvement *Also, stuff like callaway ai, with multiple sweet spots, I'd have to try to believe. I ask ppl on the golf subreddit alot about this & have gotten mixed reviews. My friend has a old set of Wilson staff clubs from the 90's & my dad has ping eye 2's, and I see no major difference if you compare loft for loft instead of comparing the club #'s. Telling someone they'll get more distance w/a 7 iron, but its only because the loft is 29°, almost seems dishonest imo
@@kevinvassagoI use Ping because after sales service is brilliant and the factory is just up the road. I had a set of Cleveland VAS irons in the 90’s. They were excellent!
@@Keef1664 I got suckered into it! I went from a $300 set of 1995 king snakes(cobra knock offs) to a $1200 set of 2017 Callaway Apex. There was one difference of the shafts. The snakes were senior and apex were tour stiff. I changed the snakes to tour stiff and there was no difference in my shots or score between the two sets after a year and half of playing once a week and trading off sets!! The power of suggestion is more powerful than most people realize!
I have the wilson dynapower. I was playing the Wilson D9 Forged but I have a very bad back and I'm getting older 67 now. I lost a lot of distance. I was tired of hitting a 7 iron 120 yards. Wasn't sure of the accuracy, but when I started playing I still stop them really well and I'm hitting 7 iron 135 to 140. That's good for me right now. I shot 1 under my last round and even the round before (that's from the senior/mens tees). That is great for me. My short game is very good. All I can say is they are very good for me. I carry 4 - gap and a 54 and 58 forged wilson wedges.
They can charge so much because people want to buy the top brands no matter what price. We also have been conned into the belief that we need to buy new irons every year or two. Back in the day people held on to their irons for many years. There wasn’t a constant race for more distance
This is why beauty is in the eye of the beholder….i think the Cleveland iron looks chunky and screams game improvement. The Wilson lines, to me, are much cleaner looking. To each their own 😊
Great comparison. I just got fitted for Cleveland Zipcore irons and awaiting delivery. I was slightly concerned the irons in the Dynapowers were "25 yards longer" as I thought the Zipcores were powerful irons. However, I just checked and it would appear the Wilson loft on their 7 iron is 27 degrees vs 29 degrees in the Cleveland. That must be where the extra distance comes from I guess ?? Nothing negative meant here, just an observation
It’s a big reason why I bought and got fitted for the Cleveland XL Zipcore irons, they are so forgiving and easy to hit. I highly recommend them. I noticed some AI Odyssey putters in the bag, I’m thinking of getting one but also getting fit for it.
Performance, feel, price, looks and done! I like the satin finish, I like Cleveland products, I have there Hybrids to go with my PXG 0211XCOR2 set. Wilson makes very good golf products, I use there balls, I had a set of their hybrids irons. I would own either one of these. Thanks Alex!
You're right. The Clevelands looks better. To me either would be great sets. If distance is your only objective and you can deal with the occasional flier the Wilsons would be better. If looks and control are more important the Clevelands would be better. Thanks for not losing the point that either set offers great performance for considerably less money than the more major brands which is the biggest point in my mind.
Alex, I also think the zipcores look a little better down behind the ball but at my age with a slower swing speed I need all of the ball speed and distance I can get. Wilson's all day.
I bought a set of the Cleveland irons and was a club and half short with them even with a quality shaft and strengthened 2*. Returned them and bought a set of Tour Edge set.
I'm an older golfer still a 5 handicap. Played Ping since the 1970s. Just switched to the Clevelands. If you like higher and longer these will do the trick.
Good video to watch, but I did feel that you wanted the Cleveland iron to win all along. I can live with most clubs if they go straight, high and long, Wilson seemed to do that well too.
My irons are always cheap because I only buy half sets of irons by adjusting lofts to 6 degrees gapping. I currently have a 7@*28 8@34 9 @40 Pw@ 46 Or you can by odd or even numbered clubs but gapping will be larger.
I got a set of Cleveland XL Halos. Compared them against Srixons, XXIO, Mizuno. Cleveland didn't go as far, but the dispersion was best by far and no flyers. Long story short irons are for accuracy. Just take another club.
The Clevelands are just a bit of extra blade length away from being as good looking at any cavity back out there. Not sure if that length actually bothers me, but it does say "game improvement". And I've never actually seen them in person. The new TM Qi irons are also rather long/large looking, so the Halos aren't alone in that regard.
The big name clubs sell to the people who are convinced that more expensive equates to better club performance period. Plus, many people want to be seen with the big name clubs in their bags. If they can’t play, at least they’ll look good doing it, in their opinion. I just placed an order for the Cleveland irons you review here. The Cleveland rep set up a fitting tent at the golf course where I work. I was able to try these clubs out in depth. They’re great irons.
@@jeremykorting6982 True, but the way clubs are designed today with low CG and other tweaks, they still go high land soft. If the tracer was in fact true the Wilson seemed to go higher for 27 degree, check out some of the other reviews. I’m 71, if I can get more distance and high flight, I’m cool with that. As far as control, if I could do that I’d be a 5 handicap instead of a 15. Good luck?
I like the Wilson looks better. The Cleveland is a long and skinny with top line lower to ground. It’s just my preference liking a more old school look. Which one goes higher? That is what I would like best.
Takomo, Sub 70, Caley, Maltby, and even Tour Edge. Cleveland and Wilson are definitely deals for bigger manufacturers. They are saving the game for most golfers IMO. They make it affordable to get a great set of new clubs, and slightly used even better.
In your still you show the Wilson’s forged version which looks better. In the video the Wilson also looks better to me but maybe side by side it’s different, I can only see as a viewer. When you show the soles they could be the same club. Don’t forget other brands like Inesis though. For me Cleveland wins on lofts. Then there’s the question of who provides access to the largest range of shafts.
Well, here's my take on the debate: my bag is made up of a mix of Sub70 and NewLevel clubs. These DTC brands give a lot of value in really good clubs. I've heard great things about Wilson irons, but most praise goes to the Dynapower Forged, which look a lot like the Clevelands you're comparing to and are closer in price. As far as forgiveness, well, let's be honest, Alex, you don't need nearly as much as some of us, so you'd need to get a mid or high handicap golfer to compare them more fairly. I also say that distance is a scam! Makers just keep cranking lofts and lengthening shafts; they might has well just make the same clubs and just put bigger numbers on them.
i have 2 cleveland zip core irons 4 n 9 iron srixon zx irons the rest cleveland launcher xl. chipper,54 n 64 wedges n putter frontline all cleveland. love them n v acurate
I bought the forged Hogan Apex Edge stiff, used ( 2003 ) in excellent shape. They feel so good nice high flight not as long as my stronger lofted PXG 011 XCOR2 set (which feel very good). I considered the Cleveland set! Do you need more distance, or good distance, forgiveness and accuracy? Thanks
The Cleveland’s also have an 8gram weight in the butt under the grip but still have a traditional swingweight of D2 in effect a bit of counterbalance. Maybe that is giving you a feel of more control with the Cleveland?
Best comment right there. Bottom line, a lot of players buy clubs based on how cool they look. I used to have certain clubs in my bag that I could hit very well. I wasn’t looking at how that particular club looked, rather I had confidence with that particular club because I was able to make great shots with it. With that mentality, I wondered what my golf bag would look like with just my favorite clubs in there that were made by different people. My bag would look like a flea market display, but each club would have special significance. Cheers
Excellent vid, got me thinking... Maybe i was a bit over optimistic playing with ping i525's ha. Go back to more help irons for a yoyo 15 hcap player ha cheers
Thanks for this video. What type of ball speed and carry would you expect from a 20+ handicap player? It would be great to see one hit those two clubs also. Thank you Alex!
Changing the lofts on different brands for same numbered irons affects the clubs more than anything else. There should be groupings of lengths, which would make positioning and striking the ball more consistent across the clubs.
One supports golf pro shops and specialty golf retailers, the other sells more or less direct to consumer or through discount shops. There is no magic and both ways can get you great clubs. Often brand name are sold as part of a fitting, adjusting shafts, lie angles, grips to suit one individual. The other fits the generic golfer, average in every way. That’s me and a lot of golfers with whom I play. Both are viable and I have a preference for Wilson, for no specific reason.
Been playing Pings for 20 years , and I love them . But i dont think I can afford a new set of Pings anymore. They are just to much money now, for a Sunday player
How much have irons moved on? I am looking at buying a used set of Cleaveland UHX irons of 4 years ago, or would i be better spending 250 more on the latest Cleaveland? Would love to see a comparison.
You young guys crack me Up. You hate shine. Us older folks, or most of us that’s what we grew up with. I prefer the Wilson way more than that ugly Cleveland. I like the thinner top line. That insert you say makes the Wilson look cheap, both clubs have an insert. The Cleveland has two more smaller ones joining the one in the middle with the name Cleveland stamped in it. So that’s a non-starter there. So again, the Wilson is a better looking club to me.
What was the difference in offset Alex? I over draw the ball, so looking for a new set of irons, with less offset than my cobra speed zone irons. I’m looking to get my HC down from 19 , the Cleveland’s look like somthing I might suit, but looking for less offset. Cheers
😂😂 I thought you had some crazy chest hair going on at the beginning of the video Alex 😁 It took me a while to realise it was your mic Love me my Mizuno 243 irons Helping my game so much they are worth the price tag 😊
There is a marketing perception coming from the major brands to call their brands a premium. Look at the sponsorships with the PGA. So, people spend more for those clubs. Look at the 2nd hand market. I pick up Titleist Taylormade Callaway Mizuno and ping at thrift no matter what. Those brands do the marketing for me. Easy sell
I don't like to see plastic inserts on the back of clubs and I am not a fan of polished chrome looking clubs, so the Clevelands get my vote out of these two, but the clean lines of, for example, the Takomo clubs are my favourite look.
Everyone hits their clubs differently and changes throughout their lifetime of playing. Loft is structural to the club. Then the players own tilt, swing pattern, face contact consistency. You have to know your distances and continually folks with changes.
The Wilson iron is 2 degrees stronger at 27degrees. Which makes it a five and a half iron really and the Cleveland a 6 iron , so there's no wonder a pga pro hits em so far.
One simple way of reducing the cost of clubs,,,,, ban player sponsorship. I am informed that roughly a 1/4 of the cost of your clubs is the multi, multi, multi millions of pounds spent on tour trucks and player sponsorship.
The reason is marketing. Most tour pros are playing the three top brands, Taylor Made, Callaway and Titelist. The rest are not as aggressive in their marketing.
The Cleveland looks a hell of lot more of a game improvement irons. Just look how long and squatted it looks compared to the Wilson. It is evident Cleveland contributes to your channel to some degree
Clubs from the big brands are expensive because they have to cover their marketing overheads and of course the players they have signed. The smaller brands save in those areas so can charge less and in my experience offer the same quality and performance. Brands like Wilson, Cleveland and Cobra offer great clubs with technology but at decent prices so it’s a mystery why more golf clubs/ retailers don’t offer these brands and stick with the big overpriced brands.
I believe the reason why the average golfer will out out to buy brands like Titleist, Taylormade or Callaway is buying into the elitism or superiority complex. It is to be seen in the clubhouse and course with the premium branding clothing and clubs, eventhough the clubs would never be "fitted" to them.
Clubs are all the same Walmart or Callaway. The only thing you need to be concerned with is the stiffness of the shafts. They all perform the same with the same shafts. The feel will feel different but the performance will get the same as long as they have the same lofts!! The golf advertising is ridiculously misleading!!!
Cleveland bias will affect the way you approach and hit the golf ball. You seem determined, even the performance was better on the Wilson to prove the Cleveland is better. 🤷🏿♂️
Bruh...Clevelands looks like a hackers club. It is long from the heel to the toe. Too much going on in the cavity. Wilsons look more like a players club with the cleaner cavity.
As a 50 year old this blows my mind, both Wilson and cleveland top notch, probably not so much cleveland with their irons, but Wilson have always been a BIG BOY in my eyes, I've owned taylormade and the likes and always found them shite, for me ping - titleist - Wilson have always been the best manufacturers in golf
93 mph on a 7 iron? That's a very, very fast SS that you won't find too often with your average viewer, but well done nonetheless. Maybe that SS is making these loft jacked irons perform better than they would for most players swinging in the 80s SS.
A pull always seems to go father...no? I bought cleveland clubs 4 years ago for $600 including the bag. I even had them customized in length and loft. People will pay for what they feel has value and prestige. I'm not cheap, I'm frugal. All these tests and comparisons by PGA professionals is meaningless hype in my less than humble opinion.
Golf equipment is expensive because "they can". As long as "we" are willing to pay, prices will rise. People still blame it on the fact that it is difficult to get material because of the pandemic, because that was when everything went haywire. The fact that we have since become a population that loses its jaw because someone spins a bottle so it ends up upright, helps to boost prices with the right commercial and we believe that higher MIO will solve everything, as long as you pay. The other week I played my old snake eyes 600 series blade mallets that I bought for 100 euros, because I was waiting for my titleist t150 for 1200 euros.... Apart from the length (iron 7 is 34 degrees) I don't feel any major difference once I get used to the clubs... So why do we buy new and allow the club makers to charge exorbitantly? I'm a "victim" too, but really can't understand why, 20 years ago, I could buy a golf set for 500 euros but now I don't even get one decent driver for it today... But the same goes for used clubs where we see sets that have both 5-10-15 years on their necks but are still at their old new price... Completely crazy, but as long as we pay, they can. If someone were to come out with a good set for half the price compared to now, I'm thinking Takomo or similar, they would probably kill everyone, but then they lack opportunities for choice instead; just KBS shafts or similar. Check out for example "vice" who now dropped their irons... 1400 euros for 4-PW... WTF? How can you even justify that price? Are they really that much better than the Takomo 201 that you get for 600 euros..? I don't think so. Do they really cost that much more to make? I don't think so. As long as we pay and that you who are successful YT profiles promote these gadgets without questioning the prices, as long as we accept to open your wallet, it will not get cheaper.
To be honest I don’t like the Cleveland look at all, in my opinion it’s very busy on the back, nor do I like the flat look of the sole. Wilson have obviously drawn upon their many years of making classic clubs and maintain faith in the power holes to help low strikes.
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*Why are they so expensive? These are just good enough right?*
Broke the epoxy on my Wilson Player Fit ( starter set ) driver on the day I got it on the 5th ball strike, not a scratch on shaft or the head head. Wilson wanted nothing to do with the warranty and the retailer wanted to charge me for shipping ( illegal in EU ) and told me it would take around 3 weeks. Ended up gluing it back together by myself. When I eventually upgrade, Wilson is not on the list of possibilities even if they give em out for free.
Because the manufacturers are thieving bastards. A lump of metal on a stick cost $300 bucks now? Give over!
Excellent value and looks. Have you tried the Dynapower Forged model? I'm a higher handicap and the XL and Dynapower are on my list (as are the Mizuno 925 Hotmetal High Launch and the new Adams Idea irons). Great videos and content- enjoy the channel! Sub'd!
I played Pings for 35+ years and I was fitted this year and I went with the Cleveland XL Zipcore. I love them and hit them so well. Best decision I’ve made for my golf game.
The Wilson is one of my favorite looking irons. I really like the shiny, high polished look.
After playing with a set of Wilson D9 forged for a while now i wouldn't look anywhere else to be honest. They're as good as anything I've used over the years and much more affordable.
Club snobbery is a real thing
I had the D9 forged- excellent clubs 👌 the only reason I changed was to get custom fitted shaft etc.
Club snobbery is called being a magpie. Definitely a real thing. I'm definitely one of them. Although I have no idea why. All you're really paying for is brand name recognition. All that "new technology," is bs. But I do think 3D printed clubs are the next level of improvement
*Also, stuff like callaway ai, with multiple sweet spots, I'd have to try to believe. I ask ppl on the golf subreddit alot about this & have gotten mixed reviews. My friend has a old set of Wilson staff clubs from the 90's & my dad has ping eye 2's, and I see no major difference if you compare loft for loft instead of comparing the club #'s. Telling someone they'll get more distance w/a 7 iron, but its only because the loft is 29°, almost seems dishonest imo
@@kevinvassagoI use Ping because after sales service is brilliant and the factory is just up the road. I had a set of Cleveland VAS irons in the 90’s. They were excellent!
@@Keef1664 I got suckered into it! I went from a $300 set of 1995 king snakes(cobra knock offs) to a $1200 set of 2017 Callaway Apex. There was one difference of the shafts. The snakes were senior and apex were tour stiff. I changed the snakes to tour stiff and there was no difference in my shots or score between the two sets after a year and half of playing once a week and trading off sets!! The power of suggestion is more powerful than most people realize!
I have the wilson dynapower. I was playing the Wilson D9 Forged but I have a very bad back and I'm getting older 67 now. I lost a lot of distance. I was tired of hitting a 7 iron 120 yards. Wasn't sure of the accuracy, but when I started playing I still stop them really well and I'm hitting 7 iron 135 to 140. That's good for me right now. I shot 1 under my last round and even the round before (that's from the senior/mens tees). That is great for me. My short game is very good. All I can say is they are very good for me. I carry 4 - gap and a 54 and 58 forged wilson wedges.
They can charge so much because people want to buy the top brands no matter what price. We also have been conned into the belief that we need to buy new irons every year or two. Back in the day people held on to their irons for many years. There wasn’t a constant race for more distance
My irons are 20 years old, no plans on changing anytime soon.
@@RespekfulFungus I have old clubs also. Love them
Your honesty is refreshing....a high handicapper as myself I'd be kidding myself spending shitloads when really it's operator error
This is why beauty is in the eye of the beholder….i think the Cleveland iron looks chunky and screams game improvement. The Wilson lines, to me, are much cleaner looking. To each their own 😊
I agree, 100%
Great comparison. I just got fitted for Cleveland Zipcore irons and awaiting delivery. I was slightly concerned the irons in the Dynapowers were "25 yards longer" as I thought the Zipcores were powerful irons. However, I just checked and it would appear the Wilson loft on their 7 iron is 27 degrees vs 29 degrees in the Cleveland. That must be where the extra distance comes from I guess ?? Nothing negative meant here, just an observation
It’s a big reason why I bought and got fitted for the Cleveland XL Zipcore irons, they are so forgiving and easy to hit. I highly recommend them. I noticed some AI Odyssey putters in the bag, I’m thinking of getting one but also getting fit for it.
Dynapower Forged are the best !!!
I have D9 forged irons they are incredible.
Nice episode. I agree the Cleveland were far more consistant, but I would say either are a great choice.
You clearly hit the Wilson clubs straighter, longer and more consistent than the Cleveland irons. You fell in love with looks.
Just spent 4 days playing fitted XL zipcores… omg… game changing… completely playable… love them
Thanks for the honest review!! It’s refreshing to see how these brands compete against the big boys.
Cleveland irons look so nice. Those would be my choice, Wilson is also a good choice but the stronger lofts and flyers scare me
Performance, feel, price, looks and done! I like the satin finish, I like Cleveland products, I have there Hybrids to go with my PXG 0211XCOR2 set. Wilson makes very good golf products, I use there balls, I had a set of their hybrids irons. I would own either one of these. Thanks Alex!
I've bought a few new sets over the years but I keep going back to my Cleveland Gunmetal TA-5's.
You're right. The Clevelands looks better. To me either would be great sets. If distance is your only objective and you can deal with the occasional flier the Wilsons would be better. If looks and control are more important the Clevelands would be better. Thanks for not losing the point that either set offers great performance for considerably less money than the more major brands which is the biggest point in my mind.
I have enough inconsistency with my self I definitely don't want to add more. That is probably why I love my Clevelands
@@djasteress6068 I'm in your camp.
You were exceedingly diplomatic in your description of the red background area on the Wilson iron (game improvement irons) 🤓👍 You are a true gentleman
Nice to hear you talking golf as opposed to pga/ liv. Thanks mate
Alex, I also think the zipcores look a little better down behind the ball but at my age with a slower swing speed I need all of the ball speed and distance I can get. Wilson's all day.
I bought a set of the Cleveland irons and was a club and half short with them even with a quality shaft and strengthened 2*. Returned them and bought a set of Tour Edge set.
I'm an older golfer still a 5 handicap. Played Ping since the 1970s. Just switched to the Clevelands. If you like higher and longer these will do the trick.
Good video to watch, but I did feel that you wanted the Cleveland iron to win all along. I can live with most clubs if they go straight, high and long, Wilson seemed to do that well too.
My irons are always cheap because I only buy half sets of irons by adjusting lofts to 6 degrees gapping.
I currently have a 7@*28
8@34
9 @40
Pw@ 46
Or you can by odd or even numbered clubs but gapping will be larger.
I got a set of Cleveland XL Halos. Compared them against Srixons, XXIO, Mizuno. Cleveland didn't go as far, but the dispersion was best by far and no flyers. Long story short irons are for accuracy. Just take another club.
The Clevelands are just a bit of extra blade length away from being as good looking at any cavity back out there. Not sure if that length actually bothers me, but it does say "game improvement". And I've never actually seen them in person. The new TM Qi irons are also rather long/large looking, so the Halos aren't alone in that regard.
Cleveland is my favorite brand
Wilson for me all day long
Being a senior on a fixed income, I've gone with a DTC company called Gigagolf.
The big name clubs sell to the people who are convinced that more expensive equates to better club performance period. Plus, many people want to be seen with the big name clubs in their bags. If they can’t play, at least they’ll look good doing it, in their opinion.
I just placed an order for the Cleveland irons you review here. The Cleveland rep set up a fitting tent at the golf course where I work. I was able to try these clubs out in depth. They’re great irons.
Loft is probably a bit of reason why Wilson ball speed and carry was a bit higher - Wilson 7i 27* and Cleveland 7i 29*
@@jeremykorting6982 True, but the way clubs are designed today with low CG and other tweaks, they still go high land soft. If the tracer was in fact true the Wilson seemed to go higher for 27 degree, check out some of the other reviews. I’m 71, if I can get more distance and high flight, I’m cool with that. As far as control, if I could do that I’d be a 5 handicap instead of a 15. Good luck?
I still believe you’ve got to compare “apples to apples”……the loft being equal
My Wilson Staff CB is 34 degrees. Sooooo I’m at a bit of a disadvantage.
I like the Wilson looks better. The Cleveland is a long and skinny with top line lower to ground. It’s just my preference liking a more old school look. Which one goes higher? That is what I would like best.
Takomo, Sub 70, Caley, Maltby, and even Tour Edge. Cleveland and Wilson are definitely deals for bigger manufacturers. They are saving the game for most golfers IMO. They make it affordable to get a great set of new clubs, and slightly used even better.
I really like my Maltby 5 wood and absolutely love my Tour Edge 3 wood. Both around $100 each at the time.
@@kurtg9684 I’m looking into getting some c722 right now
Distance difference might be because the Cleveland loft is 29 and the Wilson is 27
You are correct! Those feel as good as anything and they go!
I do agree with you in that the Wilsons do look and feel and will after that distance!
In your still you show the Wilson’s forged version which looks better. In the video the Wilson also looks better to me but maybe side by side it’s different, I can only see as a viewer. When you show the soles they could be the same club. Don’t forget other brands like Inesis though. For me Cleveland wins on lofts. Then there’s the question of who provides access to the largest range of shafts.
Well, here's my take on the debate: my bag is made up of a mix of Sub70 and NewLevel clubs. These DTC brands give a lot of value in really good clubs. I've heard great things about Wilson irons, but most praise goes to the Dynapower Forged, which look a lot like the Clevelands you're comparing to and are closer in price. As far as forgiveness, well, let's be honest, Alex, you don't need nearly as much as some of us, so you'd need to get a mid or high handicap golfer to compare them more fairly. I also say that distance is a scam! Makers just keep cranking lofts and lengthening shafts; they might has well just make the same clubs and just put bigger numbers on them.
i have 2 cleveland zip core irons 4 n 9 iron srixon zx irons the rest cleveland launcher xl. chipper,54 n 64 wedges n putter frontline all cleveland. love them n v acurate
I bought the forged Hogan Apex Edge stiff, used ( 2003 ) in excellent shape. They feel so good nice high flight not as long as my stronger lofted PXG 011 XCOR2 set (which feel very good). I considered the Cleveland set! Do you need more distance, or good distance, forgiveness and accuracy? Thanks
Alex, the Wilson Dynapower 7 iron is 2 degrees stronger lift than the Cleveland. Should that be factored in this test?
The Cleveland’s also have an 8gram weight in the butt under the grip but still have a traditional swingweight of D2 in effect a bit of counterbalance. Maybe that is giving you a feel of more control with the Cleveland?
I really could give a flying eff what a club looks like - all I care is can I hit it well.
Best comment right there. Bottom line, a lot of players buy clubs based on how cool they look. I used to have certain clubs in my bag that I could hit very well. I wasn’t looking at how that particular club looked, rather I had confidence with that particular club because I was able to make great shots with it. With that mentality, I wondered what my golf bag would look like with just my favorite clubs in there that were made by different people. My bag would look like a flea market display, but each club would have special significance. Cheers
I play both Cleveland and Wilson. I even use Wilson Elite 50 golf balls.
I have a set of the dynaforged irons and they are so much better than I am.
Bogey golf is my life though.
Excellent vid, got me thinking... Maybe i was a bit over optimistic playing with ping i525's ha.
Go back to more help irons for a yoyo 15 hcap player ha cheers
Only reason why I went Vokey because of the fitting. As a mid handicapper. I want a club that will help me maximize my game with my specs.
Thanks for this video. What type of ball speed and carry would you expect from a 20+ handicap player? It would be great to see one hit those two clubs also. Thank you Alex!
Adams CB2 still does the job
I think mainly it's to do with sponsorship of pros and advertising, I guess the big brands need to recover the cost😊
Changing the lofts on different brands for same numbered irons affects the clubs more than anything else.
There should be groupings of lengths, which would make positioning and striking the ball more consistent across the clubs.
Blade length just a bit too long for my eye on the Cleveland, but a very good iron.
Got a set of Wilson D9 forged best irons I have ever had
E joyed the video. I’m curious since you’re using 7 irons. What’s the loft of each iron
Like the look of the Cleveland better.
One supports golf pro shops and specialty golf retailers, the other sells more or less direct to consumer or through discount shops. There is no magic and both ways can get you great clubs. Often brand name are sold as part of a fitting, adjusting shafts, lie angles, grips to suit one individual. The other fits the generic golfer, average in every way. That’s me and a lot of golfers with whom I play. Both are viable and I have a preference for Wilson, for no specific reason.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Been playing Pings for 20 years , and I love them . But i dont think I can afford a new set of Pings anymore. They are just to much money now, for a Sunday player
Get a set a year or two old!
Play on Tuesdays. Problem solved. 😏
@@dougbutabi5085 playing g410 irons atm
@@henrized had a set of g5 only upgraded to g410 irons because the shafts went rusty
How much have irons moved on? I am looking at buying a used set of Cleaveland UHX irons of 4 years ago, or would i be better spending 250 more on the latest Cleaveland? Would love to see a comparison.
The 7 iron loft on the Cleveland is 29 degrees and on the Wilson is 27 degrees, should expect the Wilson to be longer.
You young guys crack me
Up. You hate shine. Us older folks, or most of us that’s what we grew up with. I prefer the Wilson way more than that ugly Cleveland. I like the thinner top line. That insert you say makes the Wilson look cheap, both clubs have an insert. The Cleveland has two more smaller ones joining the one in the middle with the name Cleveland stamped in it. So that’s a non-starter there. So again, the Wilson is a better looking club to me.
I'd like to know your opinion when lofts are the same which would make the distances closer, which is the better club then in your opinion?
What was the difference in offset Alex? I over draw the ball, so looking for a new set of irons, with less offset than my cobra speed zone irons. I’m looking to get my HC down from 19 , the Cleveland’s look like somthing I might suit, but looking for less offset. Cheers
For me I don't care how they look but what is important to me is how you play with the clubs
😂😂 I thought you had some crazy chest hair going on at the beginning of the video Alex 😁
It took me a while to realise it was your mic
Love me my Mizuno 243 irons
Helping my game so much they are worth the price tag 😊
P.S Did you know there was a French reggae dj called Puppa Alex?
Hope everything is going great for you and your family ❤
@@chrissellings 😂😂 Love that
There is a marketing perception coming from the major brands to call their brands a premium. Look at the sponsorships with the PGA. So, people spend more for those clubs. Look at the 2nd hand market. I pick up Titleist Taylormade Callaway Mizuno and ping at thrift no matter what. Those brands do the marketing for me. Easy sell
Lofts are more jacked on the Wilson’s
Should we be just assessing distances on clubs, not by club number or type but based on the loft?
I don't like to see plastic inserts on the back of clubs and I am not a fan of polished chrome looking clubs, so the Clevelands get my vote out of these two, but the clean lines of, for example, the Takomo clubs are my favourite look.
I would like to see what the Cleveland does against the P790 Taylor made
tred both. cleveland suited me n more accurate
I started playing months ago, I'm using Dunlop clubs, will new clubs lower my score. The irons are destroying balls so need new ones
Everyone hits their clubs differently and changes throughout their lifetime of playing. Loft is structural to the club. Then the players own tilt, swing pattern, face contact consistency.
You have to know your distances and continually folks with changes.
Are the lofts the same? If the Wilson is lower lofted, then if will most probably go further. 🤔
The Wilson iron is 2 degrees stronger at 27degrees. Which makes it a five and a half iron really and the Cleveland a 6 iron , so there's no wonder a pga pro hits em so far.
Wilson Clubs have been low key good for many many years tbh
Do you need more distance? Looks, feel, flight, accuracy, distance and price!
One simple way of reducing the cost of clubs,,,,, ban player sponsorship. I am informed that roughly a 1/4 of the cost of your clubs is the multi, multi, multi millions of pounds spent on tour trucks and player sponsorship.
I'll put my Wilson FG Forged irons up against anything out there and my irons were manufactured in 2010
Alex.. you are asking the wrong question. Why do TMs/callaway, etc cost so much, especially when they were much cheaper just a few years ago.
What shaft did you test with ?
It's really hard to compare the results of a PG a caliber player hitting clubs and a 15 handicap player hitting the same club
Ego gets in the way. We can all play blades, cause golf is to easy. Both of these iron are very good!!!!
The reason is marketing. Most tour pros are playing the three top brands, Taylor Made, Callaway and Titelist. The rest are not as aggressive in their marketing.
The Cleveland looks a hell of lot more of a game improvement irons. Just look how long and squatted it looks compared to the Wilson. It is evident Cleveland contributes to your channel to some degree
Clubs from the big brands are expensive because they have to cover their marketing overheads and of course the players they have signed.
The smaller brands save in those areas so can charge less and in my experience offer the same quality and performance.
Brands like Wilson, Cleveland and Cobra offer great clubs with technology but at decent prices so it’s a mystery why more golf clubs/ retailers don’t offer these brands and stick with the big overpriced brands.
I believe the reason why the average golfer will out out to buy brands like Titleist, Taylormade or Callaway is buying into the elitism or superiority complex. It is to be seen in the clubhouse and course with the premium branding clothing and clubs, eventhough the clubs would never be "fitted" to them.
Clubs are all the same Walmart or Callaway. The only thing you need to be concerned with is the stiffness of the shafts. They all perform the same with the same shafts. The feel will feel different but the performance will get the same as long as they have the same lofts!! The golf advertising is ridiculously misleading!!!
Wilson's all day, looks and performance
Cleveland bias will affect the way you approach and hit the golf ball. You seem determined, even the performance was better on the Wilson to prove the Cleveland is better. 🤷🏿♂️
I don't know about irons, but drivers cost about 96.00 to make.
Bruh...Clevelands looks like a hackers club. It is long from the heel to the toe. Too much going on in the cavity. Wilsons look more like a players club with the cleaner cavity.
As a 50 year old this blows my mind, both Wilson and cleveland top notch, probably not so much cleveland with their irons, but Wilson have always been a BIG BOY in my eyes, I've owned taylormade and the likes and always found them shite, for me ping - titleist - Wilson have always been the best manufacturers in golf
Serious comment. Couldn’t care less what they look like, I’m only interested in how they play.
93 mph on a 7 iron? That's a very, very fast SS that you won't find too often with your average viewer, but well done nonetheless. Maybe that SS is making these loft jacked irons perform better than they would for most players swinging in the 80s SS.
A pull always seems to go father...no? I bought cleveland clubs 4 years ago for $600 including the bag. I even had them customized in length and loft. People will pay for what they feel has value and prestige. I'm not cheap, I'm frugal. All these tests and comparisons by PGA professionals is meaningless hype in my less than humble opinion.
Golf equipment is expensive because "they can". As long as "we" are willing to pay, prices will rise. People still blame it on the fact that it is difficult to get material because of the pandemic, because that was when everything went haywire. The fact that we have since become a population that loses its jaw because someone spins a bottle so it ends up upright, helps to boost prices with the right commercial and we believe that higher MIO will solve everything, as long as you pay. The other week I played my old snake eyes 600 series blade mallets that I bought for 100 euros, because I was waiting for my titleist t150 for 1200 euros.... Apart from the length (iron 7 is 34 degrees) I don't feel any major difference once I get used to the clubs... So why do we buy new and allow the club makers to charge exorbitantly? I'm a "victim" too, but really can't understand why, 20 years ago, I could buy a golf set for 500 euros but now I don't even get one decent driver for it today... But the same goes for used clubs where we see sets that have both 5-10-15 years on their necks but are still at their old new price... Completely crazy, but as long as we pay, they can. If someone were to come out with a good set for half the price compared to now, I'm thinking Takomo or similar, they would probably kill everyone, but then they lack opportunities for choice instead; just KBS shafts or similar. Check out for example "vice" who now dropped their irons... 1400 euros for 4-PW... WTF? How can you even justify that price? Are they really that much better than the Takomo 201 that you get for 600 euros..? I don't think so. Do they really cost that much more to make? I don't think so. As long as we pay and that you who are successful YT profiles promote these gadgets without questioning the prices, as long as we accept to open your wallet, it will not get cheaper.
Are shafts comparable
To be honest I don’t like the Cleveland look at all, in my opinion it’s very busy on the back, nor do I like the flat look of the sole. Wilson have obviously drawn upon their many years of making classic clubs and maintain faith in the power holes to help low strikes.
I think my takomo 201’s look better same price as these 2 irons …. What’s even better 201’s are forged
The WILSON is for the high handicapper.