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18:57 Word-concept
23:02 Filioque
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40:50 Original Sin
44:23 Simplicity
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his beard is turning into an Orthodox Monk beard 🔥
For now iit looks silly to me, but it just needs tô grow some more
@@Mini_Mussoniliit be like that
So is his hair!
The one side of beard looks protestant. 😂
coomermeme beard
Beard and new PFP looking clean
is it just me or is it giving Jay Dyer inspired. def a breath of fresh air tho 🧏♂️
New profile pic is fire 🔥
agreed
He like a Jesse
Glad Kyle mentioned the behavior of some Orthobros and Orthodox people in general. If someone is trying to learn what the true path is, we shouldn't laugh at them and dismiss them, even if they are wrong.
RZ is still young (21), he definitely has some problems with pride (which he admits with his X behavior), and is also easily hurt as a young man with sudden massive following, probably thinking God is using him to change the world and "restore the Protestant church"
Just don't be mean bro🤓zoomers are so soft it's pathetic
@@oboroth51 I didn't claim they shouldn't be critiqued proportionally to their silliness. But some of Orthodox people engage just in prideful bad faith arrogance.
For example you strawmaning what I said, while I said what are the multiple reasons RZ is acting like a highschooler.
Plus it isn't the same if 1 or 10 people called you something compared to RZ who is called all kinds of slanders from all fronts, atheist, Catholic, Orthodox, Muslim.
So yeah, you being called a bad name by one person is not the same as experiencing that from hundreds of people daily, brave warrior 💪🏋️♂️🤓
I said the same.
@@oboroth51you’re who they’re talking about
@@kels-- I don't get why some Orthobros want to "outmacho" everyone else.
People don't seem to realise everyone has different fears and reactions.
One man can be afraid of tigers and not afraid of slanders, but another man might be afraid of slanders but not afraid of facing a tiger.
For example in my life, it happened multiple times that everyone panicked or was fearful except me, and there were other times where I was the only one being afraid.
yo kyle ive been going to an orthodox church now for a bit and ive been reading about the saints and the scriptures and praying so much. you were a big part of my conversion from protestantism to the one true church man. god bless
not baptized yet though my parents dont believe in infant baptism
@@ryanteh7001 Chrismation also works, but baptism is also an option for some. Talk to your priest or ask questions in the catechumen class.
@@ryanteh7001Have you heard of Baptism by desire?
👏🏻 Wellcome home brother ☦️
Glory to God!
Is Kyle slowly growing a priest beard? We are witnessing an Orthodox transformation people.
Kyles beard is looking good💪🏻
Now RZ needs one
@@Frazier16he already has one
Abdul beard
"Stay skeptical✨" you gotta love this guy😭
I really hope Zoomers Bitterness towards Orthodoxy will just be a passing phase, that he will turn away from. A big part of the bitterness seems to me that Zoomer started and invested a ton of time and energy into project Reconquista, his mission to somehow save the mainline protestant churches. And when he found out about Orthodoxy initially saw it as a possible ally in his cause, however soon realized that the idea of the existence of a church in no need of reform and perfectly preserved since the beginning , makes his entire project completely pointless. Strengthening this blow were many of his followers realizing this also and becoming Orthodox, no longer seeing the point in spending months to years to restoring churches that even in their original forms are built on faulty presuppositions that would just lead to the mess we have today all over again. Lets pray that Zoomer stops wasting his time patching holes in a house built on sand, and embraces a much more fulfilling purpose in the One True Church (Holy Orthodoxy). Also Great Video as always Kyle, God Bless!☦🙏
A small tweak to his project could rightly align all his efforts.
Seems legit
Reminds me of how Martin Luther saw Judaism as an ally for his Reformation, then turned against them when they declined to support him.
@@thekatarnalchemist"on the Jews and their lies" was one of the wildest things I've read in my life coming from a "Christian"
@@thekatarnalchemist Just like Mohammad.
Early, you are my favorite Orthodox TH-camr, amazing content.
thanks!
bro got back with a new pfp and a BANGER
He's turned from Kyle to ✨Style✨
Even if one choses not to be Orthodox, denying fact that Orthodoxy is continuous from Pentecost is just ahistorical
Its just how it is, man. The problem is, people are sinners. I left Protestantism to become Orthodox for Jesus and His Church.
I had a good Protestant community and practically zero Orthodox community. Once I switched, Protestants do the same things to me. Wont even speak to me.
If RZ is upset about the 'Ortho-bros', he's looking too much at the earth and not enough at Christ. People will fail us. And thats ok! We are all sinners. Christ wont. And thats why we are or become Orthodox.
The same Jesus who promises to be with me until the end of the age is the same Jesus that promises His Church shall not be defeated by Satan. And the same Jesus who said to truly eat of His body and to be Baptised.
Love our fellow Christians. Pray for their souls, try to make them Orthodox with patience, and let Jesus be their judge.
I'm reminded of an Orthodox priest I know who, when told that the church was full of hypocrites, replied "Untrue, there's always room for more!"
@@thekatarnalchemist That's amazing. I'm remembering that.
Amen 🙏☦️. Let us pray fervently for those blinded by pride and pernicious heresies. God bless friend 🙏☦️❤️
I recommend watching the stone choir podcast on Eastern orthodoxy
@@mumbairay I'll watch it. But I doubt it would change my mind since I come from an LCMS background.
As a former Baptist who is hoping to become orthodox one day I really do understand where zoomer is coming from
May he find the way in orthodox
Indeed! May you be blessed in Orthodoxy ☦☦
Amen
The rebranding goes hard
Amen 🙏
38:40 I'd like to add something as a Macedonian Orthodox. I like the claim "Modern science came from the western church." It completely ignores what the brothers Saint Cyril and Saint Methodius did (forgive me if i spelled their names wrong in English). They basically taught every single slav how to read and write and converted them to Holy Orthodoxy. What happened next was their students St. Clement and St. Naum continued to do their works PLUS advanced the understanding of science for the Slavic peoples. And this is just one example of many!
I stopped at a Macedonian Orthodox church in Crown Point, IN to pray yesterday. Absolutely beautiful church.
Hi, братле in Christ! Bulgarian Orthodox here, I completely agree with you!
Redeemed Zoomer is from my experience a pretty good channel. It is aimed at zoomer young and young adult Christians, who need help growing in faith, and in that aspect, RZ's videos are usually really good.
The problem is, RZ grew up in the west and naturally isn't as well versed in Orthodoxy. Because of this, he often relies on stereotypes and strawmans Orthodoxy (sadly many Orthodox in this comment section do that to him, which I find very sad, because we are essentially falling into the same sin that he does to us), which means that his videos on Orthodoxy are often misinformed.
Onto your original comment, the one thing that annoyed me in a video of his, is RZ completely misinterpreted the EvE distinction of Orthodoxy and our view of research. The Catholic Church has no EvE distinction, meaning they believe the essences are the same as the energies, which makes the Catholics likelier to engage in research. Where the problem comes is that because they don't have that distinction and fail to realise God presents to us his essences and not his energies, the Catholics might clash with the science they develop. Orthodoxy however has the EvE distinction, and it is more clear to us that God is separate from His energies and the Creation. Partially because of this, the Enlightenment clashed more harshly in the west (although many Scientists were still Christian/Catholic regardless), and never did so in the East, especially Russia which was free at the time.
Meanwhile, in the Balkans, we were under Ottoman occupation. Churches were the only source of culture and knowledge for the population at the time of Ottoman assimilation. That's why amongst most sane Christians here, science has never been opposed to faith, because whilst it was questioned in the west due to Enlightenment clashing with the church and failure of lack of EvE distinction, in the Balkans, the Church was the source of knowledge that had enlightened us to begin with, and although if you're not interested in science, EvE distinction might not motivate you to research like lack of it did to Catholics, but it would explain a lot that lack of it caused clashes in the west.
In fact, not only did our church never get divided from research, the divide was never there! In the Orthodox world, many were undereducated and illiterate, until St St Cyril and Methodius and the Orthodox Church begun to spread. Especially so in Bulgaria (Macedonia included, which was Bulgaria at the time), which was in a very bad situation at the start of the reign of Knyaz Boris of Bulgaria, with famine, war, and division. When Knyaz Boris welcomed the five Holy students of St St Cyril and Methodius (St Climent, St Naom, etc), after their exile from Moravia and return to Bulgaria, he did so with open arms, and opened two schools for them, one in Ohrid and one in Veliki Preslav, where he'd commission the standardisation of the language and creation of the Cyrillic script, which was developed by the Five Holy Students most likely at Preslav.
The Orthodox Church is what made the Slavic peoples literate! The division between faith and science not only didn't happen in the east... it never existed!
Be blessed, брат! ☦✝️
@@cerebrummaximus3762 Exactly! It's like RZ just completely decided to ignore the whole ordeal which happened in the Balkans. Благословен биди ми и ти, брату! ❤️
🇲🇰 🇲🇰 🇲🇰 ☦️ ✝️ ☦️
Please pray for my cousin, Andrew, he was interested in Orthodoxy like a month ago, but I am pretty sure he watched that redeemed zoomer video and got swayed by him against Orthodoxy. Pray that he comes back on the path to Orthodoxy.
If he’s swayed against Orthodoxy, what parts in particular? Many Christians in the west would be orthodox, but they just don’t know because there’s so few of us.
🤍💛
Send him the video of Jay vs RZ so he can see that Jay's refutations of RZs positions basically left him silent.
@@TyrannicalReignerYeah, I will send it, but ultimately I want him to talk to my priest.
@@iceyhotfire I think that's a great idea if he is willing.
I made a comment on Redeemed zoomers video replying to someone, I wrote one sentence about how Orthodox Christianty holds the traditions closest to the Apostolic Fathers and he deleted the comment. Matthew 7:15, You will know them by their fruits. ☦
Hello, I am an Eastern Orthodox here, who is/was (used to watch him quite a bit when I needed his videos, though not as much nowadays) a Redeemed Zoomer viewer. I wanted to say, that generally RZ is a pretty good creator. His audience is younger and young adult Christians who need a fellow brother in Christ to help them grow in faith. RZ's zoomer video orientation, for example having videos in easy-to-understand for younger audience language and building a community via building churches in Minecraft, is very useful for many in that age range. In addition, his videos aimed at that audience are generally really helpful, aiding many young Christians to grow in faith, in a fun and understanding way.
In that sense, his videos are good and I really recommend them.
The problem is, regarding details in other denominations he isn't (as) familiar with, his videos become weaker. Probably one of his weakest knowledge basis is that of Eastern Orthodoxy, where he has very basic knowledge on our denomination, and relies a lot on assumptions and sometimes even stereotypes. Now I am not very surprised, he is gen z western Christian, naturally he wouldn't know too much on Orthodoxy, and although it'd be best in that position to just avoid speaking about our theology, his channel is general Christian and sooner or later it becomes inevitable to mention us. Although his other videos are good, regarding the denominations he isn't as familiar with, RZ has the tendency to strawman and rely on stereotypes. What annoyed me the most is where he got the "mystery" element of Orthodoxy and completely misinterpreted our position on research via taking the complete opposite interpretation of our EvE distinction (feel free to ask me more on this if anybody wishes). Now I am a bit disappointed at his reliance on stereotypes, I am not surprised, especially I've seen many Orthodox online strawman the other denominations, especially within the toxic part of the Orthobro community. Either way, it's a bit discouraging to know that he bares inaccurate views on how our denomination functions. He also has fallen into other problems us zoomers commonly in, such as pridefulness. Including on his TH-cam channel, but it isn't as bad until I saw his Instagram, which is more meme based, and pridefulness is easy to fall in.
Outside of this, his video are generally okay, and I'd even recommend some to young Orthodox Christians.
Sometimes, it is important to be able to discern good from bad. People aren't black and white, people can be right and wrong about different things. When it comes to yourself, prune away your bad and unholy qualities, and develop your better qualities. As for people who are mixed, listen to what is good, and cut off what is bad. Some people are definite false teachers, others are near flawless - but with most out there, it's somewhere in the middle.
Sometimes TH-cam deletes/shadowbans comments without the video-maker's knowledge
@@Jupiter__001_ Yeah, YT removes some comments, often ones with a link or controversial words. Alternatively, YT has this glitch where certain comments are still there and not removed, but for whatever reason you can't see them, even if those comments are your own. Access the comments another way to see if that is it.
Ever since RZ and Kyle crossed paths,
I must say, this might be the greatest rivalry of Gen Z Christianity! A Calvinist vs an Orthodox!
Don't overdramatise it. They're just two Christian zoomers online. If they ever actively met, maybe have a simple zoom/discord call, it'd probably be a pretty chill. They'd talk about faith and hopefully after a peaceful and mature debate they'd settle the differences. RZ has a problem of strawmanning Orthodoxy and relying on stereotypes because he doesn't know much about our denomination (sadly many Orthodox online, including in this comment section, do the same, rather than doing basic research) - so, hopefully after a chat or mature debate with Kyle, RZ can give Orthodoxy a chance! Be blessed, brother ☦
@@cerebrummaximus3762 Yeah I did overestimate it, I did it to make it look like a sports rivalry 😂
God bless you to Brother!
@@user-hh8hw2wj9b Thanks for the response, it is human nature to seek violence where there is none, that is why we need Christ. May we grow in faith and be blessed, brother!
@@cerebrummaximus3762 , Protestants and Vaticanists aren't Christians.
NGL, we were all waiting on this one
Me watching the RZ vid wondering when the clapback would drop lol
Im on the orthodox side of this but I'm just thankful for you to call out people memeing on redeemed zoomer
Yes! Just because he's wrong, doesn't mean which should mock or strawman RZ. Instead, teach RZ the truth and show where he was wrong!
RZ is a sane Christian and very helpful for young Christians. Because he grew up in the west, he is less knowledgeable about Orthodoxy and is prone to strawmanning us. A simple chat or mature debate over Teams/Discord is enough to solve the differences. For example, I remember in one video, RZ heavily misinterpreted Orthodox EvE distinction and attitude on research, relying too much on the "mystery" stereotype. That could easily be solved by just conversing with RZ. There is no thing I hate more than baseless assumptions and strawmanning, which RZ has done to us fair enough, but sadly many Orthodox online, including in this YT section have done to RZ. Like, no. Just discern what is right from wrong, actually do research, and teach him the truth.
@@cerebrummaximus3762 right it is in the heart that counts
Also, Kyle, I want to let you know how much of an impact you and Jay Dyer have had on my faith in Christ. Because of your videos, Jay's videos, and the Orthodox channels you recommended, I have learned so much more about Jesus and His church. It really edified me and opened my eyes, and I left Protestantism to become Orthodox! I have been going to Divine Liturgy at the local Greek Orthodox church for over a month now, and I am set to be chrismated around Pasach! Thank you Kyle, and if Jay ever sees this, thank you Jay as well!
Gald that Kyle discusses this issue! God bless!
Hey Kyle! Really appreciate you being willing to out the Orthobros. I can’t say I’ve stayed clear of online fights. A few things:
1. I personally didn’t mind all the memes you added to our convo 😂 my “war” with Orthobros didn’t start with that or with Jay himself, but with how the online community reacted to the discussion
2. I have been more critical of Orthodoxy than before but my recent video had nothing to do with my anti-Orthobro streak. It was just an explanation of East/West differences to educate Protestants since so many
see the conflict with Rome but see no disagreements with the East.
Let’s collab again soon, God bless!
will you make a response to this video?
@@lefo8193the amount of content you could make from the responses would be insane lol, be an infinite loop if you wanted too.
RZ what would you say to someone who is confused on why the Holy Spirit would raise up the Protestant church and doctrines even though the Orthodox Church was being guided from the jump? And do you think the Holy Spirit is leading the “church” as you know it to be so separate in quite literally everything but the trinity?
@@ambrose9968 The Holy Spirit guides the church in all matters necessary for salvation. Everything else is human speculation
@@redeemedzoomer6053 do you think the church being divided is a good thing or a bad thing ?
Great repost! Jay is super smart, thanks for bringing this up to your audience. God Bless.
Kyle your a wonderful example of an Orthodox Christian. 🙏☦️
Hello, I am an Eastern Orthodox here, who is/was (used to watch him quite a bit when I needed his videos, though not as much nowadays) a Redeemed Zoomer viewer. I wanted to say, that generally RZ is a pretty good creator. His audience is younger and young adult Christians who need a fellow brother in Christ to help them grow in faith. RZ's zoomer video orientation, for example having videos in easy-to-understand for younger audience language and building a community via building churches in Minecraft, is very useful for many in that age range. In addition, his videos aimed at that audience are generally really helpful, aiding many young Christians to grow in faith, in a fun and understanding way.
In that sense, his videos are good and I really recommend them.
The problem is, regarding details in other denominations he isn't (as) familiar with, his videos become weaker. Probably one of his weakest knowledge basis is that of Eastern Orthodoxy, where he has very basic knowledge on our denomination, and relies a lot on assumptions and sometimes even stereotypes. Now I am not very surprised, he is gen z western Christian, naturally he wouldn't know too much on Orthodoxy, and although it'd be best in that position to just avoid speaking about our theology, his channel is general Christian and sooner or later it becomes inevitable to mention us. Although his other videos are good, regarding the denominations he isn't as familiar with, RZ has the tendency to strawman and rely on stereotypes. What annoyed me the most is where he got the "mystery" element of Orthodoxy and completely misinterpreted our position on research via taking the complete opposite interpretation of our EvE distinction (feel free to ask me more on this if anybody wishes). Now I am a bit disappointed at his reliance on stereotypes, I am not surprised, especially I've seen many Orthodox online strawman the other denominations, especially within the toxic part of the Orthobro community. Either way, it's a bit discouraging to know that he bares inaccurate views on how our denomination functions. He also has fallen into other problems us zoomers commonly in, such as pridefulness. Including on his TH-cam channel, but it isn't as bad until I saw his Instagram, which is more meme based, and pridefulness is easy to fall in.
Outside of this, his video are generally okay, and I'd even recommend some to young Orthodox Christians.
Sometimes, it is important to be able to discern good from bad. People aren't black and white, people can be right and wrong about different things. When it comes to yourself, prune away your bad and unholy qualities, and develop your better qualities. As for people who are mixed, listen to what is good, and cut off what is bad. Some people are definite false teachers, others are near flawless - but with most out there, it's somewhere in the middle.
Kyle, your video quality has improved so much. Great channel👏☦️
Is your profile picture the church in Belgrade?
@esserman1603 yes, but I'm from Scotland
@@seankearns2903 So am I.
@@esserman1603 do you live here?
@@seankearns2903 Yes, but I am actually an Afrikaner and come from South Africa.
DAMN KYLE brother got sophisticated 🤵♂️
Let RZ gather multitudes of Protestants. The haul will only be greater when he converts to Orthodox.
I haven’t seen these memes about RZ, but that makes me sad. He seemed quite open to learning about Orthodoxy, I hope he hasn’t been completely put off by this. He’s got spirit and I think he’d do great things for the Orthodox Church if he joined
Paul opposed Orthodox Church as much as first martyrs being from his hand, then became Orthodox and is one of the 12
I completely agree with you!
I am an Eastern Orthodox here, who is/was (used to watch him quite a bit when I needed his videos, though not as much nowadays) a Redeemed Zoomer viewer. I wanted to say, that generally RZ is a pretty good creator. His audience is younger and young adult Christians who need a fellow brother in Christ to help them grow in faith. RZ's zoomer video orientation, for example having videos in easy-to-understand for younger audience language and building a community via building churches in Minecraft, is very useful for many in that age range. In addition, his videos aimed at that audience are generally really helpful, aiding many young Christians to grow in faith, in a fun and understanding way.
In that sense, his videos are good and I really recommend them.
The problem is, regarding details in other denominations he isn't (as) familiar with, his videos become weaker. Probably one of his weakest knowledge basis is that of Eastern Orthodoxy, where he has very basic knowledge on our denomination, and relies a lot on assumptions and sometimes even stereotypes. Now I am not very surprised, he is gen z western Christian, naturally he wouldn't know too much on Orthodoxy, and although it'd be best in that position to just avoid speaking about our theology, his channel is general Christian and sooner or later it becomes inevitable to mention us. Although his other videos are good, regarding the denominations he isn't as familiar with, RZ has the tendency to strawman and rely on stereotypes. What annoyed me the most is where he got the "mystery" element of Orthodoxy and completely misinterpreted our position on research via taking the complete opposite interpretation of our EvE distinction (feel free to ask me more on this if anybody wishes). Now I am a bit disappointed at his reliance on stereotypes, I am not surprised, especially I've seen many Orthodox online strawman the other denominations, especially within the toxic part of the Orthobro community. Either way, it's a bit discouraging to know that he bares inaccurate views on how our denomination functions. He also has fallen into other problems us zoomers commonly in, such as pridefulness. Including on his TH-cam channel, but it isn't as bad until I saw his Instagram, which is more meme based, and pridefulness is easy to fall in.
Outside of this, his video are generally okay, and I'd even recommend some to young Orthodox Christians.
Sometimes, it is important to be able to discern good from bad. People aren't black and white, people can be right and wrong about different things. When it comes to yourself, prune away your bad and unholy qualities, and develop your better qualities. As for people who are mixed, listen to what is good, and cut off what is bad. Some people are definite false teachers, others are near flawless - but with most out there, it's somewhere in the middle.
Let's go. Another banger! I have to say again, this beard is magnificent.
Something I've noticed is RZ doesn't seem to care at all about nuance or proper understanding. He also complains about orthodox converts being mean when calvinists have had that problem for far longer and have a reputation for being quite uncharitable people, but that's something he refuses to even address. Not only that, but he gets flack from trad caths just as much as orthodox, but doesn't talk as bad about them. He just seems very hypocritical, not at all worth listening to.
The improved camera, lighting, presentation etc is a welcome change. You can mature and refine without losing your style.
Thank you so much for what you said about online Orthodox trends at the start of your video! I'm a catechumen and wish I heard more about the spirituality and practice from these (very intelligent and helpful) voices.
looking 🔥🔥
keep up the good work!
I think it's also possible that a lot of people who are making RZ mad is a bunch of larping orthobros too.
thats a great beard kyle, God Bless You.
New pfp is fire 🙏🔥🔥🗣️🗣️
thank you for the video!
With the amount of RZ videos, you could make a “If you’re Calvinist” playlist
Thanks for breaking this down.
Very cool
Kyle i enjoy your more mature content. As a protestant i want to become orthodox, you are one of the people who have convinced me. My hope is that you will charitable even when RZ is not. I say this as some of your criticisms of other peoples have left a bad taste in my mouth. God bless my friend, pray for me!
Jay should link that couch or chair whatever he’s sitting on. Looks mad comfy
My respect for Kyle just multiplied tenfold.
I dont think your edits were too frequent or abrasive. It was your way of letting your audience know that what he was saying was just not accurate, without having to cut him off and or possibly missing your chance to comment on it.
I do agree memes are so immature , Theological debate must be done with respect to God
Sick new pfp 🔥 also great video as always ❤️
thanks!
A couple months ago, Redeemed Zoomer began persecuting Apostolic Christians on his server because he was banning Protestants who were converting to Apostolic Churches. He even went as far as to shut down Apostolic group chats. As such, me & a group of Apostolic Christians on RZ's server formed the Apostolic Zoomer/Apostolic Paradise Server. If you're interested, I can send you a link to the server & you can become a mod. God Bless, Kyle.
Breaking away and starting your own thing. You sound like a protestant
Wonderful video Kyle!
Wow, Redeemed Zoomer made so many fallacies, how can a Christian be against Monasticism?
All the Reformers were. Luther was a monk who married a nun and spent their time getting other monastics to do the same. How one can see that and not realize it is Satanic baffles me as well, but somehow people don't see anything wrong there.
It really bothers me that people forget the entire point of original sin was that it was knowledge without wisdom.
True knowledge of God is the fusion of knowledge (the intellect) and wisdom (the nous).
They have to accept the fact the intellect can lead into error, as attempting to reason things completely beyond our natural ability to understand (intellect) rather than accepting it as a mystery and taking it on faith (mysticism) is the appropriate response.
RE: the engergies/essence distinction.
He's not stupid. He knows exactly what St. Gregory is saying. He just refuses to see the truth. A literal "Portrait of Dorian Grey" moment. He explained intuition vs rationalism perfectly. We are clearly apart from God (the essence) but are able to know of God (the energies).
If it isn't the very dictionary definition of faith, I don't know what is.
I could see how people could view that as gatekeeping or as a push towards the other side or Left Hand Path. I agree with you but that aspect of the church and Christianity was off-putting to me for decades.
@@notsocrates9529
I'm not gonna lie, I faced a similar thing myself.
But nobody was actually able to tell me that it was knowledge of good and evil without the wisdom to know the difference.
Might require a bit of maturity to understand how we tend to justify right and wrong is demonstrative of that lack of wisdom, but it really is the theme of the entire Bible.
Sin entered the world not because of the disobedience towards God's command, but because we basically knew enough to get ourselves into trouble (sin has entered the world) and everything from then on out was God preparing us to receive that wisdom.
What a great thought! You beautifully summarized a feeling I've had for a long time into words. Thank you.
@@stnilus3294
Glad I could help, brother
Great new video, Kyle 👍 ☦️
Loving the new style Kyle! Love from Serbia
the new pfp looks so good
Great video. Awesome to see rz refuted.
RZ got turned away from Orthodoxy entirely because of the Orthobro trolls constantly trolling/harassing him unfortunately
@coconut-man-yt4yc tbh you don't expect Christians to make it an issue instead of idk, just normal correction and/or an invitation to learn more. I agree with most Orthodox positions but orthobros are a problem online it's kinda hard to deny they're not the ones at fault 90% of the time
*sad violin* 😢
He presumed to know what we believe, misrepresented us for months, and got mad that people ran out of charity... on Twitter, no less. He's mad at the stove that he burnt his finger on it.
I pray for this conflic to end peacefully, and don't end up to be chaos
GBU🙏🙏
I am Pentacost from Indonesia
Beard is looking good man. 👍
Keep rocking the beard Kyle!
Sending you an email soon. I have more free time now. God bless!
Ohhh he did it! Kyle, you did it! Thank you! 😊
Love the beard 🧔🏻♂️☦️
Also LOVE the humble attitude Kyle and apologizing for coming on strong and correcting other orthodox acting like Pharisees. Way to live the faith! Inspiring 🙏🏼
Yooooo Kyle the beard looks great!
Respect to Kyle for apologizing about adding so many effects and memes when speaking to others like Redeemed Zoomer; it does come off as disrespectful. It's fine in every other video. Thanks for all your work
Great video.
I immediately noticed some of the errors in ZoomZoom's video, and I'm just a catechumen. It comes across as a smug polemic (which is a touch ironic), and I can only hope that it's misinformation rather than disinformation.
Like the new style man
Like the new PFP bro👍
The arrogance of removing books from the Bible is wild. The church composed the Bible and martin luther himself "takes" that authority ( of the Church an infallible one) and removes books himself.
To be fair, the Lutheran Bible did contain all the books of the Bible and still does in Lutheran countries to this day. It was only when the Anglicans took it out (so that they would have less pages to print) that English speaking Protestants stopped having complete Bibles. Martin Luther's Bible technically had more books in it than the Roman Catholic Bible.
Can you please research before you write misinformation, it stains the Orthodox Church, and only proves what RZ is accusing us of doing. The Lutheran Bible keeps most of the books, and Luther only aimed to reform the Catholic Church which most Orthodox agree is flawed, but made several mistakes which lead to a new denomination.
Earthly churches are not the foundation of truth. Churches and councils have been wrong many times before. You guys give to much credit to them, discounting the holy scriptures.
Look at the Eastern Orthodox popes easily cozy up to the Catholic Pope. The Bible says what fellowship is there between Christ and Belial
You can buy a KJV with the apocrypha in it.
The beard looks fantastic!
Good work… Thank you for you penitence.
Very respectful video brother Kyle! I respect your approach it takes real guts to admit fault. I hope redeemed zoomer comes back on the channel, he has a good heart!
Love the beard kyle.Thanks for the content
Bro becomes Orthodox and a beards appears. Coincidence? I think not.
Im Orthodox i dont have beard. Yet.
Thank you so much, already saw Jay Dyer's reaction in this and more people who watched Reformed Zoomer’s video need to know the truth 🙏☦️❤️
Orthodox is one true church 🔥🔥🔥
The church belongs to Christ and nowhere in Scripture is it written that only the Orthodox Church is the one true church. The only identification label given to the followers of Christ when Christ set up the church is given in Acts 11:26 and only during the harvest will the wheat and tares be clearly divided.
@@robertlucas5090 it’s the original church established by Christ. Orthodox authority should be assumed by all who follow Christ.
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"Nowhere in Scripture"
Things also not in Scripture;
Faith Alone
Sola Scriptura
Ecumenism
This isn't an argument since Extrabiblical Tradition is not Condemned, according to the Epistles to the Thessalonians it's encouraged, there's little reason to pit one part of a Tradition, Scripture, against another part of the same Tradition, Oral Teachings.
@@acekoala457 once again! nowhere is it written in Scripture that would even suggest that the Orthodox Church is the one true church which is the topic being discussed. The orthodox church isn't neo from the movie The matrix. The church belongs to Christ!
I guess you could call me an Evangelical Christian, but my father is a Pentecostal pastor, so I don’t really know what I am. I’m the demographic that RZ would appeal the most to (20 years old). I feel so lost, to tell you the truth; I was born into Christianity and grew up learning a bit about theology, but I didn’t get serious about my faith till my accident, which left me a paraplegic. My life not only wants there to be God but hinges on it. I just don’t know what to do, who to follow, what to read, or how to be a “proper” Christian. Don’t get me wrong, I go to church on Sundays, I don’t drink/smoke, I do not affirm LGBT, or try to reconcile my faith with any world things, but I want to do MORE because I feel as if I am not doing enough to justify my belief. I am very, very lost.
I understand. Goto an orthodox church near you, I can help you find one if need be. Find a spiritual father who can guide you. What you need to do is simply examine the arguments, be honest and humble, and choose the religion that is coherent.
with that beard you look just like my religion profesor from highschool,he was teaching ortodox theology too soo thats that,great work man👍
New profile picture, nice!
Bro is looking fresh 🔥☦️💪
Thank you Kyle and JayDyer, this video helped me overcome many of the issues that I had with eastern theology, many thanks!
One minute in, compared to a year ago where I couldn't stand your attitude, wow. I did not expect sincere humility and apology for wrong doing. God Bless man. Its always the right answer to do that, then carry forth. Praise God. You have my attention again.
We are on this earth to present ourselves as a living sacrifice to our Lord.
This video was predestined
nah😭😭🙏
Orthobro's most of the time aren't even Orthodox, to be considered Orthodox you have to be baptised and received communion which most of them haven't even been to a church.
2 other ways of defining orthodox is starting at Catechism which some do and the other being a practicing Orthodox aka the same requirements as becoming a god-parent
The online orthodox community needs to be more controlled... There is so much judgment online which reflects a very negative image fo us
I've seen it on the discord before but if someone stays honest and humble then hopefully that wouldn't make them flee the faith as a whole. That's what I don't like about the discord is it just felt like redditors larping as orthodox (yes I know there's actual clergy and people with degrees on there, but there was an orthodox answering questions that he shouldn't have been).
This is a chad beard! Respect!
The rivalry between you guys is like Goku and Vegeta 💪 ❤️
Your spiritual maturity is shining through in that intro homie 💯🫵🏼☦️
I really like how you are super direct but not judgmental about what people say about Orthodoxy
Hey Kyle! I just wanna say, as Calvinist myself who is also open to hearing from other traditions, that if God moved me to orthodoxy, I’d rejoice with exceeding great joy :). Pray for me bud, cuz if I’m missing something, I sure as ever don’t wanna keep missing it, ya know? Thanks.
Nahhh the beard and new pfp, bro looking mad clean 😭
fire pfp man
Great beard!
I agree with you 💯 Kyle
Love the beard dude
Th Orthodox kingdoms were superior culturally than the West during the Middle ages especially Byzantium. Byzantium was the richest state during that era with highly developed trade, culture, philosophy and architecture. They preserved the knowledge of ancient philosophy. Constantinople was the largest and richest city in the Medieval period. Byzantium wad the supplier of all the stocks from the Far East to Europe. Other Orthodox kingdoms like Bulgaria and Serbia were also highly developed in terms of culture, architecture, philosophy similar to Byzantium. The reaaon why Catholicism and Protestantism is spread around the world is purely of geographical reasons and luck and not because their theology is more 'correct'. The orthodox countries were decimated by constant Asian invasions and were essentially a shield for the West. Eventually greatly weakened most were slallowed by the Ottomans. The countries that became colonial empires happen to be Catholic or Protestant but this is because of their geography this has nothing to do with religion. The discovery of the new world was because after Constantinople fell, the Ottomans closed the Silk road and the West was forced to find alternative way to Asia and this led to the discovery of the New world. It was an accident. If it was not for the Orthodox kingdoms to take all the constant invasions from Asiа, the West could not prosper. Also the reason why Eastern Europe is poorer is becuase communism did A LOT of damage and esencially sealed the division between East and West and not becuse those countries are Orthodox. Russia despite being a authoritarian state in all its history was not less culturally developed than the West. I guess you see how complicated everything is. Redeemed zoomer basically says thta everything is because of what your denomination is which is far far away from the truth. He ignores history and geography completely which he should not do.
You’ve came far Kyle. Now go farther so that you will reach everyone’s recommendations.
The beard goes HARD love it
Woke up to get ready for work and saw this😍. And as someone who has recently gotten into to twitter a lot, the orthobros really go after redeemed zoomer so much. Like he posted an AI generated image of a saint and gave him a funny name and then everyone started bashing him for disrespecting the desert fathers💀
Bro your pfp looks like [for] some TV Show from 2010s-2020 😎