My grandpa, who is an extremely devout orthodox man, was once given a book of mormon when he visited us in the US. He read it and immediately put together five pages worth of notes on its errors. ☦️
I was in SLC on business for months, so I read the book of Mormon and go see Temple square, etc. The book of Mormon reads like some guy made up the stuff in a bar and he got some of the other guys in the bar to jump in on the game. Smith took it a step further and figured that he could run it long and some would follow him. The rest is history.
I've seen these two types of exmormons: the ones who become extremely hedonistic and liberal, and the ones who want to know the truth and study what Christianity truly is. That was my case, at first I was angry with the church because I felt "scammed" by it, but in my heart I knew I was Christian, so I started to study the Bible and Christian history. It took me around 3-4 years to discover Orthodoxy after leaving mormonism. At first, I was lurking in evangelical or protestant movements, and I almost visited a Baptist and a Pentecostal church during my learning journey, but I finally found Orthodoxy, the ultimate truth. It's going to be two years since I baptized in June, and I still struggle and argue with my mormon family about it, but we have managed to find peace and live together.
You are correct. I was raised Mormon and when I left the church I became a hedonistic atheist. Glory to God I found Orthodoxy and was baptized 3 years ago. Unfortunately the ones who leave Mormonism and stay religious tend to end up evangelical once saved always saved bible thumpers.
Wow.... that's scary accurate. When I left Mormonism, I was pissed I believed something so blatantly false that I gave up on Jesus altogether. But He rescued me from my darkest days. Now church, truth, and history, etc, are my passion.
@dylanwilliams2202 that makes zero sense. Let me break it down. Christ started a Church. This Church was led by the Apostles. Christ promises the Holy Spirit would guide this Church in "all" truth and always be with them. Apostles appointed bishops. The line continued unbroken. There is no need for a 'restoration', because God is not a liar and guides His Church. Any attempt to claim the Church became apostate ignores the above points. There is zero, I mean zero, ways to call God a liar when the Church has the promise of Christ that the gates of hell would never prevail against the Church and that the Holy Spirit would lead it in all Truth. Because if they apostasized, they were not led in all Truth and hell prevailed, if even for a time.
@@MajorMustang1117 I swear, you all say the same old horrible arguments that are so easily refutable. You are completely misquoting Matthew 16:18. That is saying that the gates of hell wouldn't prevail against the rock who is Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 10:4), not the Church. Hence why it says “and on this rock (Jesus Christ) I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” This has shown to have been the case because 1 Peter 3:19 tells of Christ going in and teaching to spirits in prison that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. (1 Peter 4:6) and that preaching is still happening today because every knee will bow and confess Jesus is Lord (Philippians 2:10-11) on judgment day. You could also say that it was the testimony of Jesus Christ that Peter had with the context, "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock (Peter's testimony) I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.", which is what a lot of the Early Church Fathers said it meant. The gates of hell did not prevail because Jesus Christ broke through the bands of death and hell and his gospel went into hell like a rock smashing through a gate. The gates of hell are *gates* not a person or entity and those *gates* did not prevail against Christ. Even if I were to entertain the idea of it talking of the Church then it still would hold true because the gates of hell didn't prevail against the Church because the Church came back. I am not sure what you are referencing unless it's John 16:13, which doesn't really make sense in this context. _"Apostles appointed bishops"_ Bishops are not apostles nor were the Apostles Bishops. Ignatius of Antioch, the bishop of Antioch around 100-108 AD, recognized that bishops are not apostles. In his epistle to the Trallians he wrote, “Let all reverence the deacons as Jesus Christ, and the bishop as the Father; and the presbyters [elders] as the Sanhedrin of God, and college of the apostles. Without these, there is no church.” Then he wrote, “I will not write any more sharply unto you about this matter, lest being a condemned man, I should seem to prescribe to you as an apostle.” Here, Ignatius makes the distinction of his office and was careful not to overstep the bounds of his authority because despite him being a bishop, he was no apostle and he knew it. No one back then ever equated Bishops as Apostles. Only apostles could ordain bishops. Clement of Rome, a bishop of Rome from 88 A.D. to 99 AD, according to the early Christian writer, Tertullian. “The apostles have preached the gospel to us from the Lord Jesus. Therefore, sent forth by God and the apostles by Christ. Both these appointments then were made in an orderly way, according to the will of God. Having therefore received their orders, they appointed the first-fruits of their labors having first proved them by the Spirit to be bishops.” Clement of Alexandria, 150 to 215 A.D, speaks of John the apostle directing the overall church and appointing bishops in smaller geographical areas. He says “From when after the tyrant’s death, he returned from the isle of Patmos to Ephesus, he went away upon their invitation to the neighboring territories of Gentiles to appoint bishops in some places, in other places to set in order whole churches, elsewhere to choose to the ministry someone of those that were pointed out by the Spirit.” These two both tell of apostles being the ones to appoint bishops. Bishops didn’t start to appoint themselves until later and these appointments were an overstep of their office and authority. Once the last bishop who was called by an apostle died then there was no more authority to run the Church as a whole left on earth. Sure, some of the teachings still on... for a while. Tell me, why don't you believe in 3 degrees of glory? Because Papius, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Origen and more all did? Or the Harrowing of Hades? Or that there is an order to seeing God? These were all things preached until they weren't. Now, We know more apostles were called from Acts 1:26 with Matthias and with Paul and Barnabas being called apostles in Acts 14:14 and Paul introducing himself as an apostle of the Lord in all his letters and saying He was *ordained* an Apostle in 1 Timothy 2:7. Ephesians 2:20 says the church is built on the foundation of apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ being the cornerstone. Paul is saying that the priesthood foundation of the household of God includes apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ being the cornerstone. Ignatius of Antioch wrote “Let all reverence the deacons as Jesus Christ, and the bishop as the Father; and the presbyters [elders] as the Sanhedrin of God, and college of the apostles. Without these, there is no church.” In other words, in God’s and Jesus Christ’s true church there will be apostles and prophets found. The reverse is also true, a church without apostles and prophets is not the true church of God and Jesus Christ. This has been true since the apostles died, not just the church from 33 AD till around 120 AD. To say otherwise goes against the Bible and God’s word. Once having Apostles or Apostolic authority ~2000 years ago means nothing now since you don’t have them or it anymore.
7th day Adventists are kind of on the edge. I think some of them can be real Christians, but the radical ones are questionable at best, probably heretics at worst. They basically believe in Saturday Sabbath and take it extra seriously, believing that it actually had its own spiritual significance rather than just a church tradition, almost like a God literally marked a date on the calendar where He's more available. Kind of weird, but not outright heretical there. The issue is when the radicals believe that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast and anyone who worships on Sunday (IE the majority of Christians) are condemned. I think Ben Carson believes this, but I'm not totally sure. You'll have to double check me on this. The other major concern is that they used to follow a false prophetess, Ellen G. White, whose prophecies did not come true. As such, most of them have denounced her, but the radicals still hold to many of her teachings. She also was adamant about reading the 7 days of Creation literally, I think. Otherwise, 7th Day Adventists have American Protestant background, so take from that what you will.
As an ex-mormon, the only reason why so many people are in that religion is because they don't know what is behind it. Many will stop believing like me because there is something in our brains that it just clicks at the right time. it will not work if someone tries to make you see it. I am very happy I am out of it.
I've always been amused with the argument of "why do you believe Paul and not Joseph Smith?" Because he had the Apostlic witness of the other apostles.
you mean that when I die I won't be my own God, transporting to the planet lexatron, on my spiritual spacecraft with all the virgin women I want? Darn it, and it all sounded so believable...
Join Scientology and let the galactic federation dump you here with the thetans that cost $300,000 of books to get rid of lol and if you don’t go missing like Shelley, maybe David Miscavage will bitch slap you and you might get to see Tom Cruise jump on a couch 😂. And you don’t have to wear magic underwear and doesn’t being held against your will providing near free labor sound like a once in a life time opportunity?? 😂
Maybe I haven’t reached the point in the video if it was covered, but what is the consensus that Smith plagiarized The Late War and co-opted Christian themes for it?
@@JamesHatcher-c4o I wouldn't call that something that was too weird at the time. I had great grandma's and great great grandma's who were married at around that age. It was a fairly common practice. The problem wasn't her age though. The problem was that he had so many wives.
Lifelong Mormon and returned missionary here. Upon scrutiny, Mormonism just doesn't hold up. I'm leaving and being baptized Othodox next month. It's been quite a journey. My family is sad about it. Please pray for me. Thanks Kyle and all.
God bless brother, Christ be with you, I think its very fitting that you are getting baptized soon, considering that I believe next month contains Holy week in the Orthodox Calendar.
By what standard do you measure truth? You think it’s absurd that Joseph smith Translated Gold plates but then proceed to believe the stories of the Bible? You really think that Jonah was swallowed by a whale for three days and was spit out again? That’s just one example among many. I think aa genuine inspection of your own reasoning will show that it’s not adding up for you even more now. Mormons are a community of people that try to support and uplift one another with a shared eternal hope in Christ. You were blessed to be born in a covenant family. I bet you love your family very much also and it was hard for you to leave. There is no one objectively true Christian faith. Any attempt to say otherwise is flawed and proclaimed by fallen men. (Even mormonism) Christ alone is the way the truth and the light he is the body of the church. That’s what’s you fail to understand here
@@brothertobias8332 It happens too often.. Sad to see some honest and well meaning people among them, just trying to find some foundation, some structure in their life. There are too many cults...
I became atheist and pagan for years after mormonism and had a deep hatred for God due to the warped teaching of the Mormons. Thank God I found orthodoxy and came back. Lord have mercy
As a transplant to Utah, the amount of Mormons showing up to the new set of inquirers classes and joining the church every year is encouraging. Glory to God!
@@Robert-rw5lm Nah man, we good. We don't need that obvious scam, getting ppl to hell. We need the Orthodox Church, a church who has actual continuity with early church, and with scripture who doesnt contradict scripture. Unlike the LDS "church"
How long is the process to join the Orthodox Church for you. I've been going to Orthodox Church and the process to become a catechumen is over a year long.
@@cortappel6951 It varies parish to parish, based on how the priest decides to receive people. Some priests will make you a catechumen within a week or two. Other priests may want to see some consistent attendance for a period of time to show you’re serious. If you’re already attending a parish, voice this concern to the priest. The catechumenate is on average, 1 year in length. This can be adjusted to a shorter time or longer time depending on the circumstances and maturity of the individual, at the priests discretion. The ancient practice is 3 years, the amount of time the Apostles spent with the Lord. You also have to take into consideration the persecution for the first 300 years, so you had spies and those seeking to destroy the church from within. This is also partially why a sponsor was required, to vouch for the incumbent.
Please describe the triune god that makes since with John 17 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
@Robert-rw5lm Good idea I mean they’re already basically pagans so another set of that is says for them to kneel to would make perfect sense! You didn’t recommend any kind of actual monotheism that could confuse them.
@@Robert-rw5lm Christ came in bodily form to unite man with God. He is Jacob's ladder from earth to heaven. He works through the church, where earth and heaven meet, and the church is meant to participate in the glory of God, to be united with each other spiritually and united in God. It is through Christ alone that man can participate in God's eternal life, love, grace, etc. However this is not the same as every man becoming equal to God and each having a planet of their own to be god over.
"And everyone who has given up houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or property, for my sake, will receive a hundred times as much in return and will inherit eternal life." - Matthew 19:29 You're NEVER alone. Christ will be with you ALWAYS, and there are lots of church bodies out there to connect to. Make sure you connect to a good body with wisdom quickly, because Mormonism tries to ostracize ex-members like Islam does. But the rewards in Heaven will be more than worth it. Ask God for strength. He WANTS to help you!
I converted from Mormonism to Orthodoxy because the epistemology to truth in Mormonism is so inconsistent it’s sad. Once I read early church history all I saw was orthodoxy
I’m converting away from Mormonism as well but probably going to become Catholic. The papacy is all over the church fathers and ecumenical councils. Initially and for some time I was draw to Orthodoxy but I didn’t feel like the arguments against Catholicism held much weight. What convinced you to become Orthodox instead of Catholic?
@@basedsigmalifter9482 I read the church fathers and ecumenical councils unbiasedly and never saw the infallibility of the pope. Even the Roman Catholic Church admits it’s a new innovation. The funny thing is Pope Gregory the Great would agree that the universal jurisdiction and the infallibility is not of God. The doctrine and monarchical structure of the Trinity is very consistent in the orthodox faith. The Roman Catholic Church undeniably had an evolution of doctrine and beliefs. The part that turns me off about it the most is their apologetics to defend it is just as bad and snaky as Mormon apologetics.
@@basedsigmalifter9482I’ve seen the exact opposite in the ecumenical councils and early church fathers. Even Roman admits the infallibility of the pope is a new innovation. Epistemologically speaking Roman saints and popes shouldn’t contradict each other but many of them do. The apologetics to try and justify the contradictions are just as weak as the Mormon apologetics for prophet contradictions. I also think the argument for monarchal Trinitarianism that the orthodox follow (along with the energy essence distinction) makes more sense and refutes atheism better in general. But I’ve only been studying the early church for three years so I know it’s possible I could be wrong. I’m open to suggestions of literature I should read
Perhaps not infallibility but supremacy can be seen in patristics and councils alike. Petrine supremacy/ authority was understood and explained by many to be handed down within the institution. It’s not completely unreasonable for papal infallibility to be a developed/ more implicit doctrine throughout history. Also I think a great argument also is just the continuation of the power structure of the Davidic kingdom- see Scott Hahn. And for contradictions, it’s perfectly within reason that saints and popes can and do contradict. The church fathers contradict eachother in a lot of places. But these saints aren’t infallible, and the pope is not infallible in everything he says.
I went Mormon for a little while..... didnt take long to realize how absolutely, verifiably false it was. I had a Protestant pastor, one day, look me in the eye and ask me "Do you really believe you will become equal to the Father?" And it was right then, when I didnt just listen to it or talk about it, but I actually THOUGHT about it I realized I could not be Mormon. Its not just heresy, its blasphemy. Edit: below, you can see what I'm talking about in the lengthy comment section. Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit that I was rescued out of that belief.
@@Robert-rw5lm how in the world does being an heir with Christ and being created sons of God in ANY way mean we will be equal to the only God and Father and Creator of the universe?
@grayman7208 I will not become THE SAME AS THE FATHER. This is what Mormonism teaches. God used to be just like us and we will become just like him. This is blasphemy. Being co-inheritors as sons of God is not what I'm talking about.
@@MajorMustang1117 is jesus god ? is jesus the same as the father ? does jesus have a body ? do we inherit all jesus has ? the answer to all four are yes, according to biblical scripture. the conclusion is we become gods.
Hey kyle this is great. I am in the Mormon church but I have been doing research for a while now and definitely believe in Orthodoxy. I told my parents a few months ago but they wouldn’t let me go to the liturgy. I am going to try again pretty soon and this video is really helping to focus my thoughts.
I know there is live recordings of Mass online so from that conclusion there should be online Divine Liturgy. Be safe and careful there lad. Welcome to the true churchs of God
Amen… and it matters which one. Mormons have a version of Christ, JW’s have another, New Age has another, Muslims have one, etc There are many Christs (Matthew 24:24) but only one is true.
@@Doxansqthe bible calls the church the pillar and ground of the truth (1 timothy 3) Christ founded one church and the gates if hell shall not prevail against it. Orthodoxy has not gone into heresy as other churches have and are which is why not all can be true
@@deeznutz8076 African Americans have more cults now a days than “Christians” or white people have had throughout history. BHI, NOI, NNOF, and Black Panthers just to name a few. They have done more harm then any of these so called “Christian” cults. They are not followers of Christ if they are a cult so therefore there is not a single Christian cult that ever existed.
I was born and raised a Mormon (although not in the US, so the cult-like elements were lesser). I came to atheism really early in my life (I already considered myself agnostic at like 10 and atheist at 12) because as a kid I had a faith crisis and mormonism hadn't any way of refuting those doubts as it's ""theology""" is extremely inconsistent if not downright ridiculous. It has been a long way of searching for truth via philosophy, science and what not and I've recently came to the conclusion that Orthodoxy is the way. I'm looking forward to getting baptized in the Orthodox Church but unfortunately for me the Church is pretty much non-existent in my country (Mexico) and I'm not old enough nor economically stable enough to travel to another country on my own. Also my family doesn't approve my inclination towards Orthodoxy. Any suggestions? Pls pray for me, God bless.
Praise God, you don’t need a church organization to be reconciled to God, although it is a blessing to be in fellowship with other believers. Find a church that holds to Sola Scriptura and become a member there. We may have in-house disagreements with other believers without losing fellowship. Here in Utah my story was much the same as yours, and the only church I could find that preaches and holds to the truth of the Bible is Independent Baptist. I don’t consider myself Baptist but I do find fellowship there. Everything you need to be fully and completely reconciled to God is already provided to you in scripture. May God bless you in your walk.
It is important to become connected to another church. We were created for community, and being connected to a solid church body is essential for growth and having fellow believers support you in times of need and help you when you fall. If you have the Internet, try to search online for churches nearby. I think we can all agree that a solid church is better than heresy, even if it's not perfect. Still, aim for the best church you can find. Following Christ comes at a cost, but the cost is worth it. He loves you and wants to help you. Pray for guidance and make sure to read the Bible constantly! God will NEVER leave you or forsake you when people will. "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for my name’s sake, will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life." - Matthew 19:29 Praying right now! 🙏
It is easy now to talk to like minded people online. We can now make communities for going to church, gym, education, theology, online and find if we can meet in person. Try and find like minded people online and in your community.
Im in the same situation and as part of trying to reach my family members I shared Dr Hassan’s BITE model with them so they could evaluate for themselves whether the Mormon church is a cult. I have also been praying for God to grant them repentance and a love of the truth. Most of them are out now, although they feel so deeply betrayed that coming to a saving faith in the true Christ will be difficult. I’ll be praying for your family too.
@@Kelts2341 thankyou friend. Yeh most of my cousins are out but very atheist but all my aunties uncoes grandparents and my parents are still deeply entrenched. My dad is high up and works for the Mormon church. God bless you
@@Suopt312 a few things. 1. The church willingly misuses tithing money and has been found out recently about how they do that they've been taken to court by the US goverment for lying about their finances. 2. One of questions for a temple recommend are about if you pay tithing regularly meaning you can't participate in what are "salvific works " "according to Mormons " So you are denied salvation without paying in a sense. 3. Yes you can choose not to but you are denied certain things and pressured if you choose not to. Are you familiar with the BITE model ? Behaviour , information , thought , emotional. It's methods used by cults to control people . behaviour- rigid rules , rewards and punishments , control of physical environment. So applies to mormonism in temples , words of wisdom , etc Information - deception , propaganda, discourage access to outside information , insider outsider doctrine. Mormonism meets all of these Deception/propaganda - the church lies about how it spendss it's money and how much money it has ( proven by the fine from the FCC and the court case ) Also lies about doctrine and changes doctrine regularly under the guise of revelation. It hides Joseph smiths past and lies about it. He married multiple women and young children and it was official church doctrine to do this, ( I can provide all the sources on this , there's charges against Joseph Smith court document and official church publications and letter from Joseph regarding this and why it's okay) He also sent away husbands on missions to then marry their wives. discourage access to outside info- I've seen this myself and see it with my family, they refuse to read anything critical of the Mormon church , I saw a talk at conference saying not to trust sources not approved by the church. My family won't watch anything I send them as its by " anti Mormons " Even when most of it is just factual vidios or debates. No over church discourages this other churches encourage open debate and discussion as they know their right and if not their happy to be proved wrong and come I to a close reltionship with God if they are wrong. Mormons however are discouraged and told not to seek outside information that isent from the church. Which is trademark cult behaviour. Insider/ outsider doctrine I'll compare the 2 view of salvation now of Mormons and orthodox Mormons- works based, multiple levels of heaven 3 differnt kingodms only those in the church have the full truth and those who follow and do all the temple ceremony etc can go to the top level of heaven , celestial , terrestrial, tellestele etc. ( so clear in group out group preference) Orthodox - we don't know who will be saved or who won't be , we beilive God loves us all and wants us all to be saved and we hope and pray that all we be saved even those outside the church and we beilive those who God's saved will all be in the same place worshiping him. ( so clear no ingorup outgorup preference) Thought - encourages only good and proper thoughts , thought stopping techniques etc. You see this alot with missionaries and how the apostles and prophet give talks and its in missionary training. ( I know this as my sister is an mtc trainer and my dad is a temple manager) So missionary are taught when they can't anwser a question to go back to bearing their testimony and saying I know this is true cos I feel this etc. Which is a thought stopping technique designed to stop them questioning why they can't anwser an inquires question etc. ( again I can show you alot of times this happens in vidios of protestants asking missionaries questiotion in regards to the bible , or if you give me an email or discord I can send you the actual missionary documents that teach this ) Emotional - feeling chosen or special , guilt manipulation , emotional blocking, phobia indoctrination. Alot of Mormon doctrine is based on how you feel like I prayed and I know this feeling is true. This is warned against in the bible as emotions can be manipulated very easily the apostles tell us not to trust our emotions. Mormons say the opposite. Now most of my family are Mormons and high up In the church, my dad has met the prophet and apostles. I was raised in the church, and there was alot of good, service projects , family values all amazing things it's honestly the nicest cult out their but its still a cult and promises you a false God and a false salvation. These are just the arguments as to why its a cult. Regardless of I'd you agree or not , I would love to be able to talk directly with you more about Christ the bible etc and who Jesus really is. The Jesus Mormons share isent the real christ and can't save you , just as Muslims beilive in a differnt christ who dosent save. Christ is the Son of the living God 1 part of the trinity , he is not created being , he is not the brother of lucifer. You cannot become a god and their where no other God's before God. All of this is clear in the bible and I'll happily show you if you would like. Please don't take this as an attack on you as I know it can feel like that cos I've been in your position. Joseph Smith fails the biblical test of a prophet , the bible tells us how we can test a prophet to see if they are of God in the old testament. God says if a prophet has a failed prophecy then he is a false prophet . Christ himself tells us even if an angel comes and shares with you a differnt gospel then I have preached do not beilive it. Joseph teaches a differnt gospel to christ and its a gospel that does not save. Christ wants you to come into a true reltionship with him, he loves you and is calling you to him. I love you and want to help how I can, there is so much depth and truth to orthodoxy it is so much richer and fuller than mormonism. I fell away and was aethist for years after leaving the church it was a long hard path , if I can help even one person though come away from mormonism and into a true reltionship with christ it's worth it. If you have an email or discord or somewhere I could add you to speak further or over a call in some way I think that would be more helpful I can break down some scripute with you and anwse questions as best I can. God be with you
@@Pravoslavnimudzahid1377 i think he will be classified as a saint after he dies, bro literally fought heresy, and convinced donald trump to orthodoxy.. no way he wont be classified as a saint after he dies
7th day Adventists are kind of on the edge. I think some of them can be real Christians, but the radical ones are questionable at best, probably heretics at worst. They basically believe in Saturday Sabbath and take it extra seriously, believing that it actually had its own spiritual significance rather than just a church tradition, almost like a God literally marked a date on the calendar where He's more available. Kind of weird, but not outright heretical there. The issue is when the radicals believe that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast and anyone who worships on Sunday (IE the majority of Christians) are condemned. I think Ben Carson believes this, but I'm not totally sure. You'll have to double check me on this. The other major concern is that they used to follow a false prophetess, Ellen G. White, whose prophecies did not come true. As such, most of them have denounced her, but the radicals still hold to many of her teachings. She also was adamant about reading the 7 days of Creation literally, I think. Otherwise, 7th Day Adventists have American Protestant background, so take from that what you will.
I have researched the errors of Mormonism for MANY years. The hard fact is that the BOOK OF MORMON does NOT teach Mormon theology. Rather it teaches Christianity and REFUTES Mormonism. Problems with the Book of Mormon: -it is wrong about the Red Sea. ( 1 Nephi 2:8) -the 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon read "mother of God", but was quickly changed to "mother of THE SON OF God". ( 1 Nephi 11:18) -it says that the Messiah will be born in Jerusalem. ( Alma 7:10) -trust a burning in your heart to know something is true. ( Moroni :_ ( God never says to do that.)) -a very American view of Heaven. ( Mormon 7:7) -it messes-up the Lord's Prayer. ( 3 Nephi 13:9-13) Almost like someone was copying from the KJV of the Bible and had their hand on part of the page- covering part of the verses by mistake. -copies the Bible and refutes Mormon theology. ( Moroni 9:9 & 19) Pause at 31:08. This reminds me of the fact that Joseph Smith's Translation is FULL of errors. It is clear the Mormon "god" did not Hebrew and/or Greek. Mormonism seems to be the only religion that says to "believe what we say, no matter what the facts say".
I left Mormonism about 6 months ago. I decided to go to an Orthodox Church for the first time about a month ago and I loved it. The Father there is an amazing person and they have welcomed me with open arms.
Two words for you: Holy underwear. It gets worse. Joseph Smith or whoever said that their holy underwear's design shouldn't be changed according to changing fashion trends. And guess what? They changed their design in the 30s due to changing fashion trends.
Compared to Baptist and Plymouth Brethren, I prefer the LDS Church and its members, none of them preach on the street and call my Orthodox Church idolatry and paganism.
Your Baptist brethren are bring people to Christ, and they may find their way to your church eventually because of that. Mormon missionaries bring themselves and their converts to eternal damnation.
Amazing timing, was just thinking about how there isn’t a whole lot of Orthodox apologetics for Mormonism. There’s plenty of other similar groups you can do videos on like SDA and JWs
“Moroni” was an “angel”, but Mormons think “God” Angels & men are the same “type” of creatures(yep the Mormon god/gods are created) just at different levels of being, this is why the “angel” Moroni just used to be a man(the last white/jew/native Mormon believer of North America😂😂)
Spirit beings are uncreated: “Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.” (D&C 93:29)
@@scorpionjaxxer339 Yeah, a moron dictated a narrative with realistic ancient warfare, unique theological concepts, ancient Hebrew practices, Hebrew literary elements and poetry like chiasmus, Biblical quotations, allusions, symbolism, and parallels, 3 overlapping calendars, a practical system of weights and measures, 3 timelines from 3 groups of people that remain consistent (including a flashback within a flashback), over 100 internally fulfilled prophecies, over 600 consistent geographical references, hundreds of named characters with consistent roles, and writing styles of several narrators distinct enough to be recognized by computer textual analysis, in fewer than 75 working days on the first draft... "Fools mock, but they shall mourn" Ether 12: 26
@@professorchimp1 Did you watch the video? J.S. became a Free Mason....that's just one of many points of contradictions. The fact of the matter is; The Orthodox Church hasn't gone anywhere it hasn't needed reformed and its the same Church 2000 years and counting holding on to Holy Tradition. The Church has taught God as Three Persons; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and One Essence. Anything outside of that is heresy and a product of demons I Galatians 1
3:43 Another famous concept-fallacy is that Mormons use theosis to explain them becoming gods which each governing over one planet with Christian Orthodox theosis that only monks and saints can do through prayer, hermit living and fasting, puryifing their souls and being closer to the perfection of Christ.
@@raidthefridge7837 Did you read what I wrote? Closer to God/Christian Orthodox theosis means being closer to Christ, not becoming a literal god and governor of an entire planet like in Mormon theology.
What does it mean to get closer to Christ? How close? My study of theosis leaves the end result a little vague. _Closer_ could be an inch, could be a mile, could be a universe away. What does it mean?
My concern with the LDS church collapsing is that the majority of ex-Mormons would become secular hedonists rather than joining a traditional Christian church (while bringing the positive aspects of Mormon culture with them).
There were jews, christians, and pagans in Arabia. But by the end of the 7th century, you could only see Muslims. That in itself is a proof that lsIam is the true religion
@@ProphetMohammed-69But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8
Can I ask you something? How do I help my mother in law? She’s SOOOOOO brainwashed, has an answer for EVERYTHING, you can’t tell her anything about any issues/probs/contradictions with her religion. I want to help her, I love her, how do i get through to her? How did you end up losing your testimony and leaving?
@@ayceleijae You have to offer her something better than what she already has and you have to live a life that would be an upgrade for her and not a downgrade. Churches can't pass these two tests so they make videos like this instead to cope with the fact that the LDS church is getting results that they cannot replicate. Good luck!
@@ChristmyLordandmyGod you know the 28 fundamentals right they emphasize the gift of prophecy and claim therefore that ellen white was a prophet and her writings have prophetic authority
I'm an SDA convert. I converted because the SDA pioneers were raised up by God to continue the Protestant Reformation. The LDS Church was raised up by the devil to hinder the last day's work of preparing a people for Jesus' glorious return.
The 7th Day Adventists are kind of on the edge. I think some of them can be real Christians, but the radical ones are questionable at best, probably heretics at worst. They basically believe in Saturday Sabbath and take it extra seriously, believing that it actually had its own spiritual significance rather than just a church tradition, almost like a God literally marked a date on the calendar where He's more available. Kind of weird, but not outright heretical there. The issue is when the radicals believe that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast and anyone who worships on Sunday (IE the majority of Christians) are condemned. I think Ben Carson believes this, but I'm not totally sure. You'll have to double check me on this. The other major concern is that they used to follow a false prophetess, Ellen G. White, whose prophecies did not come true. As such, most of them have denounced her, but the radicals still hold to many of her teachings. She also was adamant about reading the 7 days of Creation literally, I think. Otherwise, 7th Day Adventists have American Protestant background, so take from that what you will.
They will tell you how evil Coffee is, while gulping down highly caffeinated energy drinks that are much worse for your health. It's never ending lies and hypocrisies with them.
Great video, but I suggest naming the video something like Mormonism vs Orthodoxy instead. The title of the video may scare away potential Mormon viewers who could definitely benefit from seeing this information.
As an 18 year old, raised Lutheran, but now I want to convert to Orthodoxy… As I read the church fathers and learn more about church history, the more I am realizing that all the heresies that they refuted over the centuries are making their return through Protestantism. The Gnosticism from the 2nd century to the iconoclasm of the eighth… It’s all back in one package
Check out Catholicism while you're at it. Make sure you don't only use Orthodox sources when doing this important research concerning your faith. You've gotta have the full picture.
@@NihssaBuch despite being catholic I love Kyle’s ability to tear something apart without being disrespectful and Ik he can do that with Hebrew Israelites I live in the big city and we have these dumbasses always misleading people and spreading false information to the especially the blacks
1: The Bible warns of a great apostasy, A time of darkness “Behold, the days come … that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord: “And [people] shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.” -Amos 8: 11-12 2: The first Article of Faith written by Joseph Smith as Doctrine says "We believe in God the eternal father and In His Son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost" Joseph Smith was referring to the fact that the Mormons believe that they have different bodies and they are not morphed into one body. 3: The Bible clearly teaches that the Baptism is for the remission of sins. (Acts 2:38) And that men are not punished for their parents sins (John 9:3) unless you believe that babies can sin, Babies should not be baptized. Baptism is a new birth, you do it when you are able to consent. Those were just the first three "problems" easily refuted
Calmly talk and exchange thought around common ground first & do not expect nor aim to convince the other. Just genuinely try to understand your friend’s thoughts. Time will tell
Use lots of facts. Mormonism is really fickle and they embrace emotionalism over being rational. Ask him about historical evidence for Mormonism and the authenticity of the Book of Mormon. I like to bring up the "Reformed Egyptian" language which the Book of Mormon was written in. Ask him if there are any resources on it. Spoiler: there's not because it was literally made up by Joseph Smith lol. Literally just ask him questions and try to gently poke holes in Mormonism. By putting the ball in his court, he will be forced to deal with these errors. I also like to bring up the history of the church. Mormons rely on the lie that there was a "great apostasy" which justifies their own authority over the church's historical authority. This is literally false, and you can point towards the existence of the Orthodox bishops or even the Catholic bishops to show that the church never "lost" their apostolic authority. Don't be harsh, but gently prod him toward the holes in Mormonism. If the burden of proof is on him, then it'll cause doubt and then he will begin to question the theology. Again, by putting the ball in his court, he will be forced to deal with these errors. "But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with *gentleness and respect,*" - 1 Peter 3:15 NIV Also, of course, pray. 🙏
@FrederickV473 what do seventh day Adventists believe? Ive never really looked into it at all so I have no Idea how they differ from traditional Christianity
7th day Adventists are kind of on the edge. I think some of them can be real Christians, but the radical ones are questionable at best, probably heretics at worst. They basically believe in Saturday Sabbath and take it extra seriously, believing that it actually had its own spiritual significance rather than just a church tradition, almost like a God literally marked a date on the calendar where He's more available. Kind of weird, but not outright heretical there. The issue is when the radicals believe that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast and anyone who worships on Sunday (IE the majority of Christians) are condemned. I think Ben Carson believes this, but I'm not totally sure. You'll have to double check me on this. The other major concern is that they used to follow a false prophetess, Ellen G. White, whose prophecies did not come true. As such, most of them have denounced her, but the radicals still hold to many of her teachings. She also was adamant about reading the 7 days of Creation literally, I think. Otherwise, 7th Day Adventists have American Protestant background, so take from that what you will.
There’s a great joke about this: Catholics say the Pope is infallible, but none of them believe it. Latter-day Saints say their prophets are fallible, but none of them believe it. It’s funnier if you’ve grown up among Latter-day Saints and Catholics.
Dead wrong! Neither the apostles nor Jesus Christ EVER taught Trinity. That Pagan dogma was introduced into Christianity in the 3rd century by Constantine and other pagans who were trying to convert Roman pagans (who worshipped triune Pagan gods). Moreover, if Trinity is true, then it was always true - and there is absolutely no evidence that Judaism ever taught, believed, or currently believes in such an absurd doctrine. SO using Trinity as evidence that Mormons are wrong demonstrates the opposite to be true. Churches which adhere to false doctrines like trinity, which are anti-Christian, non-Biblical, and refute the simple, beautiful logic of God's teachings serve only to lead people away from truth. Ask yourself: Did Jesus pray to himself? Who did Jesus plead to in Gethsemane? Himself? Moreover, since the DEFINITION of trinity requires "ONE IN WILL", why did Jesus say "Not my will but YOURS be done"? These basic contradictions alone should make you wonder why trinity even exists! You should also ask yourself why the church altered the Bible to create the ONLY verse which even moderately supports the doctrine. Look up the "Johannine Comma" - this is a forged verse (every scholar agrees), created for ONE purpose only - to support the false doctrine of Trinity.
St. Paul to the Romans;'To all who live in Rome called to be saints'. - your faith is known around the world"- Roman Catholics are that church. But ortodoxos are Apostolic too from Greek side brothers. Here was the debate language and lands and more. But my dream is we can be 1 church again.
The only thing is, the Roman Church is the progenitor of Protestantism. Then it introduced new dogma over and over again that The Church Fathers would not recognize. The Papacy is an interpretation of Scripture outside of Holy Tradition. Also, your use of that particular Scripture applies to Orthodoxy even more than you all...since we are and hold and possess the same Faith 2000 years and going. There are 7 schools within your Church that are not of the same mind for starters...Jesuits are considered the black sheep. I have family that are Roman Catholic and the language of unification has been uttered again and again....but this cannot and will not happen unless the Patriarch of Rome abdicate his made up thrown.
Hey Kyle - Orthodox here, and one of your earlier subscribers. Love your content and have a great deal of respect for you personally! I have an unusual POV on this, in that I had a close LDS friend (and roommate) in college and attended the LDS church with him for three years (never joined). I got to know it “from the inside out” and admit to being somewhat fond of them. The Evangelicals have attacked the LDS for years, often almost to the point of “bearing false witness”, and have spread a lot of nonsense about their beliefs. I was happy you didn’t go there with this video. Your characterization of them is as “Tri-theists” is probably pretty accurate. I also wanted to point out that much of what your guest said about LDS history are his conclusions or opinions on what the historical facts are. Much of what he said is disputed (or understood differently) by some LDS and non-LDS historians. Anyone who takes even a cursory look at LDS history will discover that little is undisputed. Regardless, I was glad you didn’t attack them with the usual nonsense, and I’m impressed. It is interesting that you will see LDS people comment online “if I weren’t LDS, I’d be Orthodox” or “the Orthodox are closest to us” (because of our belief in Theosis and a non-modalistic Trinity). I think many in that church are starting to notice Orthodoxy. The LDS leadership for about the last 10 years has been trying to placate a small portion of their membership that can be described as “progressive” (aka “Progmos”). They have done this by trying to soften their rhetoric on social issues without actually changing their doctrine. I think this has only succeeded in confusing large swaths of their membership (witness your guest and his wife). I agree with your guest that if they were to ever actually “give in” and change their teachings in this area, there would be a large exodus. While I believe that the Orthodox church is the true church, I think we also must remember that Orthodoxy was not even known by (let alone an option for) most people until very recently. Obviously, God loves all His children and will draw them closer to Him in any way He can. Some of the most Christ-like people I have met were LDS, and I chalk this up to God’s grace. None of us will be saved by passing a theology test. That is not to say that correct theology is unimportant, it is. But so are the “weightier matters of the law: judgment, mercy and faith….” (Matt 23:23). One of the beautiful things about Orthodoxy is that we can discern falsehood without passing judgment on those who hold to it. We know that judgment is God’s job, and not ours…. Thanks for another great vid!
You did not get to know Mormonism from the inside. You did not even join or go through the temple. Plus they do not discuss these things we discussed at the Mormon Sunday services so you got nothing to contribute here. You did not provide one example of something I said that's untrue. Not sure why you brought up evangelicals being mean. LDS think they hold certain Orthodox beliefs but they are WRONG. Next time, put more thought into your comment.
If anyone has any doubts about the lies of the Mormon religion...please pull out a map and find Madagascar...gingerly look slightly northwest and find the island of Comoros. Sound familiar? The capital of Comoros is Moroni. Enough said.
Indeed. Smith was an avid fan of pirate tales, namely Captain Kidd. One story is about buried treasure on Comoros Island guarded by a spirit. Sound familiar?
So the Pope claims evolution is true. Rome has a clergy that has abused young men for hundreds of years. Warned about it by the Lollards in 1400 AD. They worship dead saints and Mary (idolatry). Fellowship is at a saloon (K of C). You moved from one nightmare to a disturbing dream.
You are just as stubbornly convinced of your rightness as any Mormon, and like them surely believe some things that are false. Take the more out of your eye first and practice humility. For sure there are correct things moors believe that you do not, and some right things you believe they do not. It is not wise to try to raise yourself above others. All fall short of the glory of god, this is true of al men and all churches.
Mormons have young adult churches where the congregation is mostly young people so they can help them get married more easily. Mormons also have a dating app that is extremely well made. I think the Orthodox Church can take some notes from them when it comes to promoting young people getting married within the church.
Not the worst idea, but you should be super careful, because Mormonism has one of THE most lustful, disgusting theologies ever written. Trust me, we're all imperfect, but they have some OTHER motivations in mind when marrying...motivations regarding the afterlife and populating planets with celestial babies. No I am not exaggerating.
God bless, Kyle. Thank you very much for this quite insightful video on this.. institution. Kyle, since you tackled one of, sadly, many "restorationist" groups, could you refute others also? (e.g, Jehovah's Witnesses, Iglesia Ni Cristo, Two by Twos, Christian Science, Hebrew Israelites, La Luz del Mundo, United Church of God, Seventh Day Adventists, Christadelphians, Swedenborgians, True Jesus Church (China); Family Federation for World Peace and Unification (Korea))
The 7th Day Adventists are kind of on the edge. I think some of them can be real Christians, but the radical ones are questionable at best, probably heretics at worst. They basically believe in Saturday Sabbath and take it extra seriously, believing that it actually had its own spiritual significance rather than just a church tradition, almost like a God literally marked a date on the calendar where He's more available. Kind of weird, but not outright heretical there. The issue is when the radicals believe that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast and anyone who worships on Sunday (IE the majority of Christians) are condemned. I think Ben Carson believes this, but I'm not totally sure. You'll have to double check me on this. The other major concern is that they used to follow a false prophetess, Ellen G. White, whose prophecies did not come true. As such, most of them have denounced her, but the radicals still hold to many of her teachings. She also was adamant about reading the 7 days of Creation literally, I think. Otherwise, 7th Day Adventists have American Protestant background, so take from that what you will. But yes, I FULLY agree with these suggestions.
@@josephb.4640 thank you for taking the time to engage. I considered not putting them at all because they are "tame", compared with other Evangelical Protestant and Restorationist groups, but they definitely need to be addressed and refuted particularly for the j u d a i z i n g nature of their group and well.. their "prophets" and some other theological matters which are outright heretical (e.g, soul sleep). God bless!
Kyle can you make a video response to "A Messenger of Truth" latest video on Orhtodox the video is called "Eastern Orthodoxy Refuted - Spyridon Is NOT Christian"
Your videos have taught me so much about my own faith as an Orthodox Christian, and they help me in my own discussions with atheists and those of other religions. Plus, your videos are hilarious and edited so well!! God bless you!☦️❤️
Thanks a lot, just a few minutes ago I (a protestant) was approached by a mormon but did not know in detail what they believe.. So it was hard for me to ask specific questions. So next time I am better prepared.
A Puritan a Pilgrim' or a Quaker? Which one... Your crazy 😅 😂 bro. The mayflower 😂 you wrong for that one... I'm sure Kyle thinks this comment is funny 🤣 I don't think he's mad about it.
Kyle,i totally agree 💯👍 with you.Yrs.ago,out of pity,i married the grandson of a Mormon.Lying, deceitful, dangerous clan.Controlling,and full of lies .After a marriage bases on lies,and the death of my belived father,i left this demon.he tried numerous times to kill me.A baptist,and ab end stage cancer patient,a victim of domestic abuse,i pray daily for protection.god bless you💯🙏
Traditional Mormonism is full of this because Joseph Smith taught blood atonement, which is acted out on apostates of the Mormon church. God is with you sister! You did well!
Exactly, lol. The Mormons I've talked to know nothing about church history and are always blindsided when I mention the truth of apostolic succession. Even if you're Protestant, the historical record just annihilates the Mormon narrative of "a great apostasy," and devout Protestants recognize Mormonism as the heresy it is.
@@josephb.4640 The successor to an Apostle (IE mathias and Paul) were called Apostles. When they lost their authority they changed the name. They knew they weren't apostles.
Brother, you must have a deeper knowledge than conversational dismissal to make a video on a whole demographic presented as apologetics. Maybe the plan was to allow the guest to speak about the theology, which he did, but the accusations based on nothing and relying on the guest to contextualize your statement is bogus. (Not a Mormon, passionate about the online apologetics movement being more than a hobby.)
Mormons would not be Mormons if they knew church history. The whole idea of the "apostasy" and "falling away" is literally just a historical falsehood. The basis for their authority is rooted in ignorance. They also have an extra holy book which lacks any historicity (either to the church or to real life; archeology proves the Bible and debunks Mormonism) or apostolic authority.
@@atomickettle7320 There’s a lot. It would probably be more efficient for you to give me your perception of what Latter-day Saints believe and we can go from there.
I grew up in the Episcopalian Church nowhere in the Bible did they talk about infant baptism God brought me out of the Episcopalian Church and I'm thankful Mormon missionaries have really really hard really hard they go through a lot of hell going to go into details I live in Utah and I know Mormons in active Mormons Jack Mormons Mormons that left the church so I know a lot about the Mormons yes they don't believe in the trinity they believe in more than one God and they believe they will become gods and do their ordinances in the temple an ordinances in the ward and fulfill their callings and they're tithing and follow the books that the prophet gives out and to follow that in every Sunday they have to take Sacramento to renew their covenants God how do I know this because I talked to Mormons inactive or left the church so that's about it and by the way Joseph Smith is a narcissist he sounds that way to me and not to mention the polygamy and all the wives he had and everything else
My grandpa, who is an extremely devout orthodox man, was once given a book of mormon when he visited us in the US. He read it and immediately put together five pages worth of notes on its errors. ☦️
Chad
Awesome grandfather 🙏✝️
Only 5? So the errors aren't too bad, why dont you read it?
Yeah but if you havent read it you still should you can learn from it lots.
I envy you for having the Best Grandfather.
Mormons are like, "The church fell away, now let's make sci-fi plot with Christian imagery."
Mormonism is netflix adaptation Christianity
I was in SLC on business for months, so I read the book of Mormon and go see Temple square, etc. The book of Mormon reads like some guy made up the stuff in a bar and he got some of the other guys in the bar to jump in on the game. Smith took it a step further and figured that he could run it long and some would follow him. The rest is history.
"Endless celestial sex"
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So sad...
I'd laugh if it wasn't depressing that people believe in that silly religion..
I've seen these two types of exmormons: the ones who become extremely hedonistic and liberal, and the ones who want to know the truth and study what Christianity truly is. That was my case, at first I was angry with the church because I felt "scammed" by it, but in my heart I knew I was Christian, so I started to study the Bible and Christian history. It took me around 3-4 years to discover Orthodoxy after leaving mormonism. At first, I was lurking in evangelical or protestant movements, and I almost visited a Baptist and a Pentecostal church during my learning journey, but I finally found Orthodoxy, the ultimate truth. It's going to be two years since I baptized in June, and I still struggle and argue with my mormon family about it, but we have managed to find peace and live together.
You are correct. I was raised Mormon and when I left the church I became a hedonistic atheist. Glory to God I found Orthodoxy and was baptized 3 years ago. Unfortunately the ones who leave Mormonism and stay religious tend to end up evangelical once saved always saved bible thumpers.
Wow.... that's scary accurate. When I left Mormonism, I was pissed I believed something so blatantly false that I gave up on Jesus altogether. But He rescued me from my darkest days. Now church, truth, and history, etc, are my passion.
@@MajorMustang1117 If History was actually your passion then you wouldn't have left God's one and only true Church in the first place.
@dylanwilliams2202 that makes zero sense. Let me break it down.
Christ started a Church. This Church was led by the Apostles. Christ promises the Holy Spirit would guide this Church in "all" truth and always be with them.
Apostles appointed bishops. The line continued unbroken. There is no need for a 'restoration', because God is not a liar and guides His Church.
Any attempt to claim the Church became apostate ignores the above points. There is zero, I mean zero, ways to call God a liar when the Church has the promise of Christ that the gates of hell would never prevail against the Church and that the Holy Spirit would lead it in all Truth. Because if they apostasized, they were not led in all Truth and hell prevailed, if even for a time.
@@MajorMustang1117 I swear, you all say the same old horrible arguments that are so easily refutable.
You are completely misquoting Matthew 16:18. That is saying that the gates of hell wouldn't prevail against the rock who is Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 10:4), not the Church. Hence why it says “and on this rock (Jesus Christ) I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” This has shown to have been the case because 1 Peter 3:19 tells of Christ going in and teaching to spirits in prison that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. (1 Peter 4:6) and that preaching is still happening today because every knee will bow and confess Jesus is Lord (Philippians 2:10-11) on judgment day. You could also say that it was the testimony of Jesus Christ that Peter had with the context, "And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock (Peter's testimony) I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.", which is what a lot of the Early Church Fathers said it meant. The gates of hell did not prevail because Jesus Christ broke through the bands of death and hell and his gospel went into hell like a rock smashing through a gate. The gates of hell are *gates* not a person or entity and those *gates* did not prevail against Christ. Even if I were to entertain the idea of it talking of the Church then it still would hold true because the gates of hell didn't prevail against the Church because the Church came back.
I am not sure what you are referencing unless it's John 16:13, which doesn't really make sense in this context.
_"Apostles appointed bishops"_ Bishops are not apostles nor were the Apostles Bishops. Ignatius of Antioch, the bishop of Antioch around 100-108 AD, recognized that bishops are not apostles. In his epistle to the Trallians he wrote, “Let all reverence the deacons as Jesus Christ, and the bishop as the Father; and the presbyters [elders] as the Sanhedrin of God, and college of the apostles. Without these, there is no church.” Then he wrote, “I will not write any more sharply unto you about this matter, lest being a condemned man, I should seem to prescribe to you as an apostle.” Here, Ignatius makes the distinction of his office and was careful not to overstep the bounds of his authority because despite him being a bishop, he was no apostle and he knew it. No one back then ever equated Bishops as Apostles.
Only apostles could ordain bishops. Clement of Rome, a bishop of Rome from 88 A.D. to 99 AD, according to the early Christian writer, Tertullian. “The apostles have preached the gospel to us from the Lord Jesus. Therefore, sent forth by God and the apostles by Christ. Both these appointments then were made in an orderly way, according to the will of God. Having therefore received their orders, they appointed the first-fruits of their labors having first proved them by the Spirit to be bishops.” Clement of Alexandria, 150 to 215 A.D, speaks of John the apostle directing the overall church and appointing bishops in smaller geographical areas. He says “From when after the tyrant’s death, he returned from the isle of Patmos to Ephesus, he went away upon their invitation to the neighboring territories of Gentiles to appoint bishops in some places, in other places to set in order whole churches, elsewhere to choose to the ministry someone of those that were pointed out by the Spirit.” These two both tell of apostles being the ones to appoint bishops. Bishops didn’t start to appoint themselves until later and these appointments were an overstep of their office and authority. Once the last bishop who was called by an apostle died then there was no more authority to run the Church as a whole left on earth.
Sure, some of the teachings still on... for a while. Tell me, why don't you believe in 3 degrees of glory? Because Papius, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Origen and more all did? Or the Harrowing of Hades? Or that there is an order to seeing God? These were all things preached until they weren't.
Now, We know more apostles were called from Acts 1:26 with Matthias and with Paul and Barnabas being called apostles in Acts 14:14 and Paul introducing himself as an apostle of the Lord in all his letters and saying He was *ordained* an Apostle in 1 Timothy 2:7. Ephesians 2:20 says the church is built on the foundation of apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ being the cornerstone. Paul is saying that the priesthood foundation of the household of God includes apostles and prophets with Jesus Christ being the cornerstone. Ignatius of Antioch wrote “Let all reverence the deacons as Jesus Christ, and the bishop as the Father; and the presbyters [elders] as the Sanhedrin of God, and college of the apostles. Without these, there is no church.” In other words, in God’s and Jesus Christ’s true church there will be apostles and prophets found. The reverse is also true, a church without apostles and prophets is not the true church of God and Jesus Christ. This has been true since the apostles died, not just the church from 33 AD till around 120 AD. To say otherwise goes against the Bible and God’s word. Once having Apostles or Apostolic authority ~2000 years ago means nothing now since you don’t have them or it anymore.
Kyle will you do a video about the Seventh Day Adventist church?
He said he would in the future after covering mormons and JWs
7th day Adventists are kind of on the edge. I think some of them can be real Christians, but the radical ones are questionable at best, probably heretics at worst. They basically believe in Saturday Sabbath and take it extra seriously, believing that it actually had its own spiritual significance rather than just a church tradition, almost like a God literally marked a date on the calendar where He's more available. Kind of weird, but not outright heretical there. The issue is when the radicals believe that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast and anyone who worships on Sunday (IE the majority of Christians) are condemned. I think Ben Carson believes this, but I'm not totally sure. You'll have to double check me on this.
The other major concern is that they used to follow a false prophetess, Ellen G. White, whose prophecies did not come true. As such, most of them have denounced her, but the radicals still hold to many of her teachings. She also was adamant about reading the 7 days of Creation literally, I think. Otherwise, 7th Day Adventists have American Protestant background, so take from that what you will.
Or the huge Roman Catholic cult.
Good job my Orthodox friend. May the Catholic and Orthodox churches be united one day
As an ex-mormon, the only reason why so many people are in that religion is because they don't know what is behind it. Many will stop believing like me because there is something in our brains that it just clicks at the right time. it will not work if someone tries to make you see it. I am very happy I am out of it.
I've always been amused with the argument of "why do you believe Paul and not Joseph Smith?"
Because he had the Apostlic witness of the other apostles.
Exactly. If you compare account of Joseph Smith and Mohammad you will find striking similarities...
you mean that when I die I won't be my own God, transporting to the planet lexatron, on my spiritual spacecraft with all the virgin women I want? Darn it, and it all sounded so believable...
Join Scientology and let the galactic federation dump you here with the thetans that cost $300,000 of books to get rid of lol and if you don’t go missing like Shelley, maybe David Miscavage will bitch slap you and you might get to see Tom Cruise jump on a couch 😂. And you don’t have to wear magic underwear and doesn’t being held against your will providing near free labor sound like a once in a life time opportunity?? 😂
Kyle always say read the apostolic fathers and about the early church….. but can anyone give me specific books to read????!!!!
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Do a follow-up video on the guy "A Messenger of Truth" and his videos he made against us
God bless and have a good Lent Kyle!
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I wouldnt say mormons are trithiests. Id say they are monaltrists. That is the belief in many gods but the worship of one.... still heresy.
The beard looks good on you bro
Thanks!
Maybe I haven’t reached the point in the video if it was covered, but what is the consensus that Smith plagiarized The Late War and co-opted Christian themes for it?
Mormonism is like the western version of Islam
Oh no.. Joseph Smith didn't do any weird stuff with a 9 year old like Muhammad, right? 😬😬😬
Yeah honestly they're both just madmen-made religions, influenced by Christian writings...
@@willyb7353I mean his youngest wife was 14 so you decide 😅
💯👍🏻
@@JamesHatcher-c4o I wouldn't call that something that was too weird at the time. I had great grandma's and great great grandma's who were married at around that age.
It was a fairly common practice.
The problem wasn't her age though. The problem was that he had so many wives.
Lifelong Mormon and returned missionary here. Upon scrutiny, Mormonism just doesn't hold up.
I'm leaving and being baptized Othodox next month. It's been quite a journey. My family is sad about it. Please pray for me.
Thanks Kyle and all.
Now why would you join something that has no scripture truths at all?
You basically switched from pepsi to coca cola, when you need to be drinking water. Become an agnostic atheist.
God bless brother, Christ be with you, I think its very fitting that you are getting baptized soon, considering that I believe next month contains Holy week in the Orthodox Calendar.
The battle will be hard, but it’ll be worth it
By what standard do you measure truth? You think it’s absurd that Joseph smith Translated Gold plates but then proceed to believe the stories of the Bible? You really think that Jonah was swallowed by a whale for three days and was spit out again? That’s just one example among many.
I think aa genuine inspection of your own reasoning will show that it’s not adding up for you even more now.
Mormons are a community of people that try to support and uplift one another with a shared eternal hope in Christ. You were blessed to be born in a covenant family. I bet you love your family very much also and it was hard for you to leave.
There is no one objectively true Christian faith. Any attempt to say otherwise is flawed and proclaimed by fallen men. (Even mormonism)
Christ alone is the way the truth and the light he is the body of the church. That’s what’s you fail to understand here
As someone who lives in Utah, we as Christians NEED to talk about it. Most of my friends who became atheists or "Buddhists" were Mormons.
Not to mention, they also become followers of Muhammad..
@@willyb7353 Yep, can't forget that.
@@brothertobias8332
It happens too often.. Sad to see some honest and well meaning people among them, just trying to find some foundation, some structure in their life.
There are too many cults...
@willyb7353 Yeah, I've heard people call Mormonism islamized 'christianity.'
I became atheist and pagan for years after mormonism and had a deep hatred for God due to the warped teaching of the Mormons.
Thank God I found orthodoxy and came back.
Lord have mercy
As a transplant to Utah, the amount of Mormons showing up to the new set of inquirers classes and joining the church every year is encouraging. Glory to God!
They need the truth... 💜☦️💜
Orthodoxy is growing quite quickly in Utah. Many Mormons are coming to the truth
Mormonism is truth
@@chile_en_nogada2090 Which version of mormonism?
@@sebastianfischer498 i am Mormon and LDS
@@chile_en_nogada2090 that doesnt mean it is true
@@chile_en_nogada2090trust me bro, even though it goes against scripture and history, its true bro. I know so because i had an experience
My wife was a secular Mormon and is now an Orthodox catechumen. Glory to God!
Thats a shame she joined a false religion
@@Robert-rw5lm Nah man, we good.
We don't need that obvious scam, getting ppl to hell.
We need the Orthodox Church, a church who has actual continuity with early church, and with scripture who doesnt contradict scripture. Unlike the LDS "church"
@@Robert-rw5lmNope. She joined one of the true denoms of our faith.
How long is the process to join the Orthodox Church for you. I've been going to Orthodox Church and the process to become a catechumen is over a year long.
@@cortappel6951 It varies parish to parish, based on how the priest decides to receive people. Some priests will make you a catechumen within a week or two. Other priests may want to see some consistent attendance for a period of time to show you’re serious. If you’re already attending a parish, voice this concern to the priest.
The catechumenate is on average, 1 year in length. This can be adjusted to a shorter time or longer time depending on the circumstances and maturity of the individual, at the priests discretion. The ancient practice is 3 years, the amount of time the Apostles spent with the Lord. You also have to take into consideration the persecution for the first 300 years, so you had spies and those seeking to destroy the church from within. This is also partially why a sponsor was required, to vouch for the incumbent.
Remember all, Mormons need our love and compassion. They have been led astray. Lets help them to the true Triune god. Amen.
Please describe the triune god that makes since with John 17
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
And you have been led astray. All modern religions are corrupted and led by flase prophets. Stop your hypocrisy.
@Robert-rw5lm
Good idea I mean they’re already basically pagans so another set of that is says for them to kneel to would make perfect sense! You didn’t recommend any kind of actual monotheism that could confuse them.
@@Robert-rw5lm Christ came in bodily form to unite man with God.
He is Jacob's ladder from earth to heaven.
He works through the church, where earth and heaven meet, and the church is meant to participate in the glory of God, to be united with each other spiritually and united in God.
It is through Christ alone that man can participate in God's eternal life, love, grace, etc.
However this is not the same as every man becoming equal to God and each having a planet of their own to be god over.
My family is all Mormon. None of them know I want to convert and I'm very nervous about telling them. Pray for me
"And everyone who has given up houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or property, for my sake, will receive a hundred times as much in return and will inherit eternal life."
- Matthew 19:29
You're NEVER alone. Christ will be with you ALWAYS, and there are lots of church bodies out there to connect to. Make sure you connect to a good body with wisdom quickly, because Mormonism tries to ostracize ex-members like Islam does. But the rewards in Heaven will be more than worth it. Ask God for strength. He WANTS to help you!
May Christ deliver your family to His Truth.
Dude, follow the truth🙏 I will be praying for you, and your family ✝️🙏
I’m in the same situation brother
I am. I hope you stay with the lds church brother
Bruh Kyle dropping a new 45 minute vid right when i wake up 😭
Good morning!
Same.
Morning everyone
Lol something productive to listen too as we get ready for work 🥹
Morning y'all
I converted from Mormonism to Orthodoxy because the epistemology to truth in Mormonism is so inconsistent it’s sad. Once I read early church history all I saw was orthodoxy
I’m converting away from Mormonism as well but probably going to become Catholic. The papacy is all over the church fathers and ecumenical councils. Initially and for some time I was draw to Orthodoxy but I didn’t feel like the arguments against Catholicism held much weight. What convinced you to become Orthodox instead of Catholic?
@@basedsigmalifter9482 I read the church fathers and ecumenical councils unbiasedly and never saw the infallibility of the pope. Even the Roman Catholic Church admits it’s a new innovation.
The funny thing is Pope Gregory the Great would agree that the universal jurisdiction and the infallibility is not of God.
The doctrine and monarchical structure of the Trinity is very consistent in the orthodox faith. The Roman Catholic Church undeniably had an evolution of doctrine and beliefs. The part that turns me off about it the most is their apologetics to defend it is just as bad and snaky as Mormon apologetics.
@@basedsigmalifter9482I’ve seen the exact opposite in the ecumenical councils and early church fathers. Even Roman admits the infallibility of the pope is a new innovation.
Epistemologically speaking Roman saints and popes shouldn’t contradict each other but many of them do. The apologetics to try and justify the contradictions are just as weak as the Mormon apologetics for prophet contradictions. I also think the argument for monarchal Trinitarianism that the orthodox follow (along with the energy essence distinction) makes more sense and refutes atheism better in general.
But I’ve only been studying the early church for three years so I know it’s possible I could be wrong. I’m open to suggestions of literature I should read
@@basedsigmalifter9482 Jay Dyer has good refutations of roman catholicism
Perhaps not infallibility but supremacy can be seen in patristics and councils alike. Petrine supremacy/ authority was understood and explained by many to be handed down within the institution. It’s not completely unreasonable for papal infallibility to be a developed/ more implicit doctrine throughout history. Also I think a great argument also is just the continuation of the power structure of the Davidic kingdom- see Scott Hahn.
And for contradictions, it’s perfectly within reason that saints and popes can and do contradict. The church fathers contradict eachother in a lot of places. But these saints aren’t infallible, and the pope is not infallible in everything he says.
I went Mormon for a little while..... didnt take long to realize how absolutely, verifiably false it was.
I had a Protestant pastor, one day, look me in the eye and ask me
"Do you really believe you will become equal to the Father?"
And it was right then, when I didnt just listen to it or talk about it, but I actually THOUGHT about it I realized I could not be Mormon.
Its not just heresy, its blasphemy.
Edit: below, you can see what I'm talking about in the lengthy comment section. Glory to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit that I was rescued out of that belief.
I guess Revelation 21:7 and Romans 8:17 mean nothing to you
@@Robert-rw5lm how in the world does being an heir with Christ and being created sons of God in ANY way mean we will be equal to the only God and Father and Creator of the universe?
unfortunately neither you nor the pastor read the bible,
the children of christ inherit the kingdom of god.
and will sit on the right hand of god.
@grayman7208 I will not become THE SAME AS THE FATHER. This is what Mormonism teaches. God used to be just like us and we will become just like him.
This is blasphemy. Being co-inheritors as sons of God is not what I'm talking about.
@@MajorMustang1117
is jesus god ?
is jesus the same as the father ?
does jesus have a body ?
do we inherit all jesus has ?
the answer to all four are yes, according to biblical scripture.
the conclusion is we become gods.
Hey kyle this is great. I am in the Mormon church but I have been doing research for a while now and definitely believe in Orthodoxy. I told my parents a few months ago but they wouldn’t let me go to the liturgy. I am going to try again pretty soon and this video is really helping to focus my thoughts.
May God protect and guide you in your journey brother🙏☦️
Same bro I’m trying to get out after learning abt the masonry
Glory to God Noah! Remember, even if you can’t go to the Divine Liturgy, you can still do prayers and read akathists!
I know there is live recordings of Mass online so from that conclusion there should be online Divine Liturgy.
Be safe and careful there lad. Welcome to the true churchs of God
@@gangstavada3156 orthodox Christianity founded freemasonry 😂😂😂
Only Christ is true ☦️👑
Christ yes, but not a particular institution
Amen… and it matters which one.
Mormons have a version of Christ, JW’s have another, New Age has another, Muslims have one, etc
There are many Christs (Matthew 24:24) but only one is true.
@@Doxansq there's only one church that has the fullness of truth
@@SILLY_BILLY_777 nah, only if you believe it or just take it at point blank
@@Doxansqthe bible calls the church the pillar and ground of the truth (1 timothy 3) Christ founded one church and the gates if hell shall not prevail against it. Orthodoxy has not gone into heresy as other churches have and are which is why not all can be true
Can you do a video on the “Black Hebrew Israelites”?
I Would like to see a video on "Christian Identity", Aryan Nations and other race based cults
@@deeznutz8076 African Americans have more cults now a days than “Christians” or white people have had throughout history. BHI, NOI, NNOF, and Black Panthers just to name a few. They have done more harm then any of these so called “Christian” cults. They are not followers of Christ if they are a cult so therefore there is not a single Christian cult that ever existed.
@@deeznutz8076 There is no such thing as Christian cults because if your in a cult your not a Christian.
I second this, but just dont let kanye see the video
@@yelrahkcorb I think they mean cults that disguise themselves as Christians, there are definitely some out there.
I was born and raised a Mormon (although not in the US, so the cult-like elements were lesser). I came to atheism really early in my life (I already considered myself agnostic at like 10 and atheist at 12) because as a kid I had a faith crisis and mormonism hadn't any way of refuting those doubts as it's ""theology""" is extremely inconsistent if not downright ridiculous. It has been a long way of searching for truth via philosophy, science and what not and I've recently came to the conclusion that Orthodoxy is the way. I'm looking forward to getting baptized in the Orthodox Church but unfortunately for me the Church is pretty much non-existent in my country (Mexico) and I'm not old enough nor economically stable enough to travel to another country on my own. Also my family doesn't approve my inclination towards Orthodoxy. Any suggestions? Pls pray for me, God bless.
Praise God, you don’t need a church organization to be reconciled to God, although it is a blessing to be in fellowship with other believers. Find a church that holds to Sola Scriptura and become a member there.
We may have in-house disagreements with other believers without losing fellowship.
Here in Utah my story was much the same as yours, and the only church I could find that preaches and holds to the truth of the Bible is Independent Baptist. I don’t consider myself Baptist but I do find fellowship there.
Everything you need to be fully and completely reconciled to God is already provided to you in scripture.
May God bless you in your walk.
@@Kelts2341no. Don’t lead the man to heresy with your sola scriptura heresy.
It is important to become connected to another church. We were created for community, and being connected to a solid church body is essential for growth and having fellow believers support you in times of need and help you when you fall. If you have the Internet, try to search online for churches nearby. I think we can all agree that a solid church is better than heresy, even if it's not perfect. Still, aim for the best church you can find.
Following Christ comes at a cost, but the cost is worth it. He loves you and wants to help you. Pray for guidance and make sure to read the Bible constantly! God will NEVER leave you or forsake you when people will.
"And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands, for my name’s sake, will receive a hundredfold and will inherit eternal life."
- Matthew 19:29
Praying right now! 🙏
It is easy now to talk to like minded people online. We can now make communities for going to church, gym, education, theology, online and find if we can meet in person. Try and find like minded people online and in your community.
Why dont you go back to the LDS church, my prodigal brother
As a former lds member I’m glad others have been able to see the truth. All glory to God ☦️
As an ex mormon whos family is still all mormon i appriciate this.
But its hard to break people out of a cult when they ignore evidence
Im in the same situation and as part of trying to reach my family members I shared Dr Hassan’s BITE model with them so they could evaluate for themselves whether the Mormon church is a cult.
I have also been praying for God to grant them repentance and a love of the truth.
Most of them are out now, although they feel so deeply betrayed that coming to a saving faith in the true Christ will be difficult.
I’ll be praying for your family too.
@@Kelts2341 thankyou friend.
Yeh most of my cousins are out but very atheist but all my aunties uncoes grandparents and my parents are still deeply entrenched.
My dad is high up and works for the Mormon church.
God bless you
@@Suopt312 a few things.
1. The church willingly misuses tithing money and has been found out recently about how they do that they've been taken to court by the US goverment for lying about their finances.
2. One of questions for a temple recommend are about if you pay tithing regularly meaning you can't participate in what are "salvific works " "according to Mormons "
So you are denied salvation without paying in a sense.
3. Yes you can choose not to but you are denied certain things and pressured if you choose not to.
Are you familiar with the BITE model ?
Behaviour , information , thought , emotional.
It's methods used by cults to control people .
behaviour- rigid rules , rewards and punishments , control of physical environment.
So applies to mormonism in temples , words of wisdom , etc
Information - deception , propaganda, discourage access to outside information , insider outsider doctrine.
Mormonism meets all of these
Deception/propaganda - the church lies about how it spendss it's money and how much money it has ( proven by the fine from the FCC and the court case )
Also lies about doctrine and changes doctrine regularly under the guise of revelation.
It hides Joseph smiths past and lies about it.
He married multiple women and young children and it was official church doctrine to do this, ( I can provide all the sources on this , there's charges against Joseph Smith court document and official church publications and letter from Joseph regarding this and why it's okay)
He also sent away husbands on missions to then marry their wives.
discourage access to outside info- I've seen this myself and see it with my family, they refuse to read anything critical of the Mormon church , I saw a talk at conference saying not to trust sources not approved by the church.
My family won't watch anything I send them as its by " anti Mormons "
Even when most of it is just factual vidios or debates.
No over church discourages this other churches encourage open debate and discussion as they know their right and if not their happy to be proved wrong and come I to a close reltionship with God if they are wrong.
Mormons however are discouraged and told not to seek outside information that isent from the church.
Which is trademark cult behaviour.
Insider/ outsider doctrine
I'll compare the 2 view of salvation now of Mormons and orthodox
Mormons- works based, multiple levels of heaven 3 differnt kingodms only those in the church have the full truth and those who follow and do all the temple ceremony etc can go to the top level of heaven , celestial , terrestrial, tellestele etc.
( so clear in group out group preference)
Orthodox - we don't know who will be saved or who won't be , we beilive God loves us all and wants us all to be saved and we hope and pray that all we be saved even those outside the church and we beilive those who God's saved will all be in the same place worshiping him.
( so clear no ingorup outgorup preference)
Thought - encourages only good and proper thoughts , thought stopping techniques etc.
You see this alot with missionaries and how the apostles and prophet give talks and its in missionary training.
( I know this as my sister is an mtc trainer and my dad is a temple manager)
So missionary are taught when they can't anwser a question to go back to bearing their testimony and saying I know this is true cos I feel this etc.
Which is a thought stopping technique designed to stop them questioning why they can't anwser an inquires question etc.
( again I can show you alot of times this happens in vidios of protestants asking missionaries questiotion in regards to the bible , or if you give me an email or discord I can send you the actual missionary documents that teach this )
Emotional - feeling chosen or special , guilt manipulation , emotional blocking, phobia indoctrination.
Alot of Mormon doctrine is based on how you feel like I prayed and I know this feeling is true.
This is warned against in the bible as emotions can be manipulated very easily the apostles tell us not to trust our emotions.
Mormons say the opposite.
Now most of my family are Mormons and high up In the church, my dad has met the prophet and apostles.
I was raised in the church, and there was alot of good, service projects , family values all amazing things it's honestly the nicest cult out their but its still a cult and promises you a false God and a false salvation.
These are just the arguments as to why its a cult.
Regardless of I'd you agree or not , I would love to be able to talk directly with you more about Christ the bible etc and who Jesus really is.
The Jesus Mormons share isent the real christ and can't save you , just as Muslims beilive in a differnt christ who dosent save.
Christ is the Son of the living God 1 part of the trinity , he is not created being , he is not the brother of lucifer.
You cannot become a god and their where no other God's before God.
All of this is clear in the bible and I'll happily show you if you would like.
Please don't take this as an attack on you as I know it can feel like that cos I've been in your position.
Joseph Smith fails the biblical test of a prophet , the bible tells us how we can test a prophet to see if they are of God in the old testament.
God says if a prophet has a failed prophecy then he is a false prophet .
Christ himself tells us even if an angel comes and shares with you a differnt gospel then I have preached do not beilive it.
Joseph teaches a differnt gospel to christ and its a gospel that does not save.
Christ wants you to come into a true reltionship with him, he loves you and is calling you to him.
I love you and want to help how I can, there is so much depth and truth to orthodoxy it is so much richer and fuller than mormonism.
I fell away and was aethist for years after leaving the church it was a long hard path , if I can help even one person though come away from mormonism and into a true reltionship with christ it's worth it.
If you have an email or discord or somewhere I could add you to speak further or over a call in some way I think that would be more helpful I can break down some scripute with you and anwse questions as best I can.
God be with you
@@Suopt312 did you.......
Even Watch the video ?
PS: you could probably Also check Hassan's BITE model and if it's true, then you're in a cult
Like 99% of religions
WHERES MY BOY ORTHOAPPLE?????
he took the path of monasticism, he's currently on Mt. Athos
@@Pravoslavnimudzahid1377Okay this is actually hilarious
@@EasternRomanAficionado no way Justinian???
He is being held captive for his faith, but i heard he was released. We’ll know soon
@@Pravoslavnimudzahid1377 i think he will be classified as a saint after he dies, bro literally fought heresy, and convinced donald trump to orthodoxy.. no way he wont be classified as a saint after he dies
One of our new young catechumens grew up a Mormon
Do a similar video about Jehovah witnesses
We need to take the zealousness and obligatied missionary work from Mormons without the heresy
Can you please do one on SDAs?
Good recommendation
7th day Adventists are kind of on the edge. I think some of them can be real Christians, but the radical ones are questionable at best, probably heretics at worst. They basically believe in Saturday Sabbath and take it extra seriously, believing that it actually had its own spiritual significance rather than just a church tradition, almost like a God literally marked a date on the calendar where He's more available. Kind of weird, but not outright heretical there. The issue is when the radicals believe that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast and anyone who worships on Sunday (IE the majority of Christians) are condemned. I think Ben Carson believes this, but I'm not totally sure. You'll have to double check me on this.
The other major concern is that they used to follow a false prophetess, Ellen G. White, whose prophecies did not come true. As such, most of them have denounced her, but the radicals still hold to many of her teachings. She also was adamant about reading the 7 days of Creation literally, I think. Otherwise, 7th Day Adventists have American Protestant background, so take from that what you will.
Yeah! He need to do one on SåDS LOL' 😭
I have researched the errors of Mormonism for MANY years.
The hard fact is that the BOOK OF MORMON does NOT teach Mormon theology. Rather it teaches Christianity and REFUTES Mormonism.
Problems with the Book of Mormon:
-it is wrong about the Red Sea. ( 1 Nephi 2:8)
-the 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon read "mother of God", but was quickly changed to "mother of THE SON OF God". ( 1 Nephi 11:18)
-it says that the Messiah will be born in Jerusalem. ( Alma 7:10)
-trust a burning in your heart to know something is true. ( Moroni :_ ( God never says to do that.))
-a very American view of Heaven. ( Mormon 7:7)
-it messes-up the Lord's Prayer. ( 3 Nephi 13:9-13) Almost like someone was copying from the KJV of the Bible and had their hand on part of the page- covering part of the verses by mistake.
-copies the Bible and refutes Mormon theology. ( Moroni 9:9 & 19)
Pause at 31:08. This reminds me of the fact that Joseph Smith's Translation is FULL of errors. It is clear the Mormon "god" did not Hebrew and/or Greek.
Mormonism seems to be the only religion that says to "believe what we say, no matter what the facts say".
Yep Muslims are the same, no matter how crazy something is it's true bc they say so
As of late when I challenge Mormons they only appear to want to defend the BoM. They pretend that all there other church doctrine doesn't exist.
I left Mormonism about 6 months ago. I decided to go to an Orthodox Church for the first time about a month ago and I loved it. The Father there is an amazing person and they have welcomed me with open arms.
Very glad. Many such cases.
I know of at least one former Mormon Priest, Father Gabriel in Tucson, who may be worth talking to.
They're a cult.
Two words for you: Holy underwear.
It gets worse. Joseph Smith or whoever said that their holy underwear's design shouldn't be changed according to changing fashion trends. And guess what? They changed their design in the 30s due to changing fashion trends.
Yup
It's funny that they call themselves "latter day saints" when we've had many later saints. And they're actually saints! ☦️
Compared to Baptist and Plymouth Brethren, I prefer the LDS Church and its members, none of them preach on the street and call my Orthodox Church idolatry and paganism.
I feel that. I got called a whole bunch of names when I left the Southern Baptist circle for Catholicism. 🤝
Let's pray for the Baptists I do think they need it the most out of all Protestants.
They don’t profess the Trinity. The LDS is bringing people to Hell.
Your Baptist brethren are bring people to Christ, and they may find their way to your church eventually because of that.
Mormon missionaries bring themselves and their converts to eternal damnation.
Baptists are just mean.
Amazing timing, was just thinking about how there isn’t a whole lot of Orthodox apologetics for Mormonism. There’s plenty of other similar groups you can do videos on like SDA and JWs
Check out my playlist' I put the MORmONS
“Moroni” was an “angel”, but Mormons think “God” Angels & men are the same “type” of creatures(yep the Mormon god/gods are created) just at different levels of being, this is why the “angel” Moroni just used to be a man(the last white/jew/native Mormon believer of North America😂😂)
“Moroni”, maybe just Moron🤣 great comment btw
Spirit beings are uncreated: “Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.” (D&C 93:29)
@@scorpionjaxxer339 Yeah, a moron dictated a narrative with realistic ancient warfare, unique theological concepts, ancient Hebrew practices, Hebrew literary elements and poetry like chiasmus, Biblical quotations, allusions, symbolism, and parallels, 3 overlapping calendars, a practical system of weights and measures, 3 timelines from 3 groups of people that remain consistent (including a flashback within a flashback), over 100 internally fulfilled prophecies, over 600 consistent geographical references, hundreds of named characters with consistent roles, and writing styles of several narrators distinct enough to be recognized by computer textual analysis, in fewer than 75 working days on the first draft... "Fools mock, but they shall mourn" Ether 12: 26
@@professorchimp1 Did you watch the video? J.S. became a Free Mason....that's just one of many points of contradictions.
The fact of the matter is; The Orthodox Church hasn't gone anywhere it hasn't needed reformed and its the same Church 2000 years and counting holding on to Holy Tradition. The Church has taught God as Three Persons; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and One Essence. Anything outside of that is heresy and a product of demons I Galatians 1
@@professorchimp1 Thank you for finally admitting that it is all made up by a well known conman.
Me and my priest are ex Mormon
3:43 Another famous concept-fallacy is that Mormons use theosis to explain them becoming gods which each governing over one planet with Christian Orthodox theosis that only monks and saints can do through prayer, hermit living and fasting, puryifing their souls and being closer to the perfection of Christ.
Monks do not become gods bro.💀
@@raidthefridge7837 Did you read what I wrote? Closer to God/Christian Orthodox theosis means being closer to Christ, not becoming a literal god and governor of an entire planet like in Mormon theology.
"governing an entire planet" sounds like the temptation satan tried on Jesus
What they do is purposely confuse theosis with apotheosis.
What does it mean to get closer to Christ? How close? My study of theosis leaves the end result a little vague. _Closer_ could be an inch, could be a mile, could be a universe away. What does it mean?
My concern with the LDS church collapsing is that the majority of ex-Mormons would become secular hedonists rather than joining a traditional Christian church (while bringing the positive aspects of Mormon culture with them).
next, can you talk about Sikhism? I know a lot of sikh people in my life and idk i think it needs to be talked abt more
can you expose Hinduism the pagan deity is a demon and the hindu deity is a demon that's what Saint Paul teaches about pagan 'deity'
Now THIS is a good suggestion. The only thing I know about Sikhism is that it's basically Islam + Hinduism. Huge oversimplication, of course.
At the very least, they are proper monotheist, and coexist well with other communities, so they aren’t really a problem.
Babe, wake up!!!! New Kyle heat just dropped!!!
You call this heat? 😂
@@thedungeon9992yup
Y'all know that lsIam is the one true religion.
There were jews, christians, and pagans in Arabia. But by the end of the 7th century, you could only see Muslims. That in itself is a proof that lsIam is the true religion
@@ProphetMohammed-69But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:8
Muhammad: your just a cheap knock off!
Josepth Smith: Oh no! I’m the upgrade!
Ex - mormon here. Love this video man. If you ever want to pick the brain of an extremely well versed ex-Mormon feel free to hit me up!
Can I ask you something? How do I help my mother in law? She’s SOOOOOO brainwashed, has an answer for EVERYTHING, you can’t tell her anything about any issues/probs/contradictions with her religion. I want to help her, I love her, how do i get through to her? How did you end up losing your testimony and leaving?
@@ayceleijae You have to offer her something better than what she already has and you have to live a life that would be an upgrade for her and not a downgrade. Churches can't pass these two tests so they make videos like this instead to cope with the fact that the LDS church is getting results that they cannot replicate. Good luck!
Coming from Utah , I can tell you Mormonism is on a whole nother level here. Not a good thing
Many people are turning to Christ. Maybe we are indeed in the end days.
The mormons lied to me and I was so dumb to join now my eyes are open so I'm trying to join the orthodox church
Thanks! You and Jay have been my biggest pulls to Holy Orthodoxy ☦️
God bless!
Hey Kyle, can you make the SDA church next?
yes! I'm a Former SDA brother GOD BLESS!!!
SDA is Seventh Day Adventist
@@ChristmyLordandmyGod you know the 28 fundamentals right they emphasize the gift of prophecy and claim therefore that ellen white was a prophet and her writings have prophetic authority
I'm an SDA convert. I converted because the SDA pioneers were raised up by God to continue the Protestant Reformation. The LDS Church was raised up by the devil to hinder the last day's work of preparing a people for Jesus' glorious return.
The 7th Day Adventists are kind of on the edge. I think some of them can be real Christians, but the radical ones are questionable at best, probably heretics at worst. They basically believe in Saturday Sabbath and take it extra seriously, believing that it actually had its own spiritual significance rather than just a church tradition, almost like a God literally marked a date on the calendar where He's more available. Kind of weird, but not outright heretical there. The issue is when the radicals believe that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast and anyone who worships on Sunday (IE the majority of Christians) are condemned. I think Ben Carson believes this, but I'm not totally sure. You'll have to double check me on this.
The other major concern is that they used to follow a false prophetess, Ellen G. White, whose prophecies did not come true. As such, most of them have denounced her, but the radicals still hold to many of her teachings. She also was adamant about reading the 7 days of Creation literally, I think. Otherwise, 7th Day Adventists have American Protestant background, so take from that what you will.
They will tell you how evil Coffee is, while gulping down highly caffeinated energy drinks that are much worse for your health. It's never ending lies and hypocrisies with them.
Do Scientology next
Do they even claim to be Christian?
I don’t think so
Scientology is just nerdy sci-fi + exploitation
I think the south park episode is enough for that
please make Jehovah Witnesses
Great video, but I suggest naming the video something like Mormonism vs Orthodoxy instead. The title of the video may scare away potential Mormon viewers who could definitely benefit from seeing this information.
As an 18 year old, raised Lutheran, but now I want to convert to Orthodoxy… As I read the church fathers and learn more about church history, the more I am realizing that all the heresies that they refuted over the centuries are making their return through Protestantism. The Gnosticism from the 2nd century to the iconoclasm of the eighth… It’s all back in one package
Excellent point. History repeats itself.
Check out Catholicism while you're at it. Make sure you don't only use Orthodox sources when doing this important research concerning your faith. You've gotta have the full picture.
Can you debunk Hebrew Israelites
Id loveee that.
@@NihssaBuch despite being catholic I love Kyle’s ability to tear something apart without being disrespectful and Ik he can do that with Hebrew Israelites I live in the big city and we have these dumbasses always misleading people and spreading false information to the especially the blacks
Can you make a video on Jehovah’s Witnesses?
Joshua Graham will remember that
1: The Bible warns of a great apostasy, A time of darkness “Behold, the days come … that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord: “And [people] shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.” -Amos 8: 11-12
2: The first Article of Faith written by Joseph Smith as Doctrine says "We believe in God the eternal father and In His Son Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost" Joseph Smith was referring to the fact that the Mormons believe that they have different bodies and they are not morphed into one body.
3: The Bible clearly teaches that the Baptism is for the remission of sins. (Acts 2:38) And that men are not punished for their parents sins (John 9:3) unless you believe that babies can sin, Babies should not be baptized. Baptism is a new birth, you do it when you are able to consent.
Those were just the first three "problems" easily refuted
Please pray for my friend who recently became Mormon 🙏 Does anyone know what I can do to show him the truth without offending him?
Calmly talk and exchange thought around common ground first & do not expect nor aim to convince the other. Just genuinely try to understand your friend’s thoughts. Time will tell
Good to church with them. Then you'll learn how stupid this video is.
Use lots of facts. Mormonism is really fickle and they embrace emotionalism over being rational. Ask him about historical evidence for Mormonism and the authenticity of the Book of Mormon. I like to bring up the "Reformed Egyptian" language which the Book of Mormon was written in. Ask him if there are any resources on it. Spoiler: there's not because it was literally made up by Joseph Smith lol. Literally just ask him questions and try to gently poke holes in Mormonism. By putting the ball in his court, he will be forced to deal with these errors.
I also like to bring up the history of the church. Mormons rely on the lie that there was a "great apostasy" which justifies their own authority over the church's historical authority. This is literally false, and you can point towards the existence of the Orthodox bishops or even the Catholic bishops to show that the church never "lost" their apostolic authority.
Don't be harsh, but gently prod him toward the holes in Mormonism. If the burden of proof is on him, then it'll cause doubt and then he will begin to question the theology. Again, by putting the ball in his court, he will be forced to deal with these errors.
"But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with *gentleness and respect,*"
- 1 Peter 3:15 NIV
Also, of course, pray. 🙏
Gun.
@@Mortablunt you must be from Missouri
Laughably uninformed.
I love the part where he weaves in South Park to back up his doctrine
Wild
JW next
You should try looking into seventh day adventists
🤣
@@thecriticalnous No, joke, it's an actual church That I was once apart of Before I found the true church
@FrederickV473 what do seventh day Adventists believe? Ive never really looked into it at all so I have no Idea how they differ from traditional Christianity
7th day Adventists are kind of on the edge. I think some of them can be real Christians, but the radical ones are questionable at best, probably heretics at worst. They basically believe in Saturday Sabbath and take it extra seriously, believing that it actually had its own spiritual significance rather than just a church tradition, almost like a God literally marked a date on the calendar where He's more available. Kind of weird, but not outright heretical there. The issue is when the radicals believe that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast and anyone who worships on Sunday (IE the majority of Christians) are condemned. I think Ben Carson believes this, but I'm not totally sure. You'll have to double check me on this.
The other major concern is that they used to follow a false prophetess, Ellen G. White, whose prophecies did not come true. As such, most of them have denounced her, but the radicals still hold to many of her teachings. She also was adamant about reading the 7 days of Creation literally, I think. Otherwise, 7th Day Adventists have American Protestant background, so take from that what you will.
@@josephb.4640 yeah that's why I left the 7th day adventist church
I will pray for the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church to unite under the correct theology. It will make true Christianity stronger ☦️
I will pray.
We should be one, as the father and sun are one.
That will only happen if Rome repents of its heresies
bro, Catholics literally idolize marry -- how do you think that is a correct theology??
@@Sum5thefirst Catholics don’t idolise Mary, they venerate Mary. Idolising and venerating are two very different things.
These late 1800s cults are a nightmare. I was a former JW. Would love to see your take on the Jehovah's Witnesses.
> Jesus: “By their fruits ye shall know them”
> Mormons: Have best well-being, pro-social behavior, and church attendance
Funfact: The Papists have a representative of God on earth, the Mormons a living prophet who speaks for God.
There’s a great joke about this:
Catholics say the Pope is infallible, but none of them believe it.
Latter-day Saints say their prophets are fallible, but none of them believe it.
It’s funnier if you’ve grown up among Latter-day Saints and Catholics.
Is it actually true though?
@@KnuttyEntertainmentThe Pope has only ever spoken infallible three times.
@@KnuttyEntertainmentIn the ENTIRE history through all popes it has only happened three times.
@@gusehrrjust one time proves he is fallible
Dead wrong! Neither the apostles nor Jesus Christ EVER taught Trinity. That Pagan dogma was introduced into Christianity in the 3rd century by Constantine and other pagans who were trying to convert Roman pagans (who worshipped triune Pagan gods). Moreover, if Trinity is true, then it was always true - and there is absolutely no evidence that Judaism ever taught, believed, or currently believes in such an absurd doctrine. SO using Trinity as evidence that Mormons are wrong demonstrates the opposite to be true. Churches which adhere to false doctrines like trinity, which are anti-Christian, non-Biblical, and refute the simple, beautiful logic of God's teachings serve only to lead people away from truth.
Ask yourself: Did Jesus pray to himself? Who did Jesus plead to in Gethsemane? Himself? Moreover, since the DEFINITION of trinity requires "ONE IN WILL", why did Jesus say "Not my will but YOURS be done"? These basic contradictions alone should make you wonder why trinity even exists! You should also ask yourself why the church altered the Bible to create the ONLY verse which even moderately supports the doctrine. Look up the "Johannine Comma" - this is a forged verse (every scholar agrees), created for ONE purpose only - to support the false doctrine of Trinity.
St. Paul to the Romans;'To all who live in Rome called to be saints'. - your faith is known around the world"- Roman Catholics are that church. But ortodoxos are Apostolic too from Greek side brothers. Here was the debate language and lands and more. But my dream is we can be 1 church again.
Based on latest developments Latins blessing Sodom & Gomorrah, that is very unlikely.
The only thing is, the Roman Church is the progenitor of Protestantism. Then it introduced new dogma over and over again that The Church Fathers would not recognize. The Papacy is an interpretation of Scripture outside of Holy Tradition. Also, your use of that particular Scripture applies to Orthodoxy even more than you all...since we are and hold and possess the same Faith 2000 years and going.
There are 7 schools within your Church that are not of the same mind for starters...Jesuits are considered the black sheep.
I have family that are Roman Catholic and the language of unification has been uttered again and again....but this cannot and will not happen unless the Patriarch of Rome abdicate his made up thrown.
So, because Mormonism is a different religion than what you follow, it is a false religion? What a silly concept lol
Hey Kyle - Orthodox here, and one of your earlier subscribers. Love your content and have a great deal of respect for you personally! I have an unusual POV on this, in that I had a close LDS friend (and roommate) in college and attended the LDS church with him for three years (never joined). I got to know it “from the inside out” and admit to being somewhat fond of them.
The Evangelicals have attacked the LDS for years, often almost to the point of “bearing false witness”, and have spread a lot of nonsense about their beliefs. I was happy you didn’t go there with this video. Your characterization of them is as “Tri-theists” is probably pretty accurate. I also wanted to point out that much of what your guest said about LDS history are his conclusions or opinions on what the historical facts are. Much of what he said is disputed (or understood differently) by some LDS and non-LDS historians. Anyone who takes even a cursory look at LDS history will discover that little is undisputed. Regardless, I was glad you didn’t attack them with the usual nonsense, and I’m impressed.
It is interesting that you will see LDS people comment online “if I weren’t LDS, I’d be Orthodox” or “the Orthodox are closest to us” (because of our belief in Theosis and a non-modalistic Trinity). I think many in that church are starting to notice Orthodoxy. The LDS leadership for about the last 10 years has been trying to placate a small portion of their membership that can be described as “progressive” (aka “Progmos”). They have done this by trying to soften their rhetoric on social issues without actually changing their doctrine. I think this has only succeeded in confusing large swaths of their membership (witness your guest and his wife). I agree with your guest that if they were to ever actually “give in” and change their teachings in this area, there would be a large exodus.
While I believe that the Orthodox church is the true church, I think we also must remember that Orthodoxy was not even known by (let alone an option for) most people until very recently. Obviously, God loves all His children and will draw them closer to Him in any way He can. Some of the most Christ-like people I have met were LDS, and I chalk this up to God’s grace. None of us will be saved by passing a theology test. That is not to say that correct theology is unimportant, it is. But so are the “weightier matters of the law: judgment, mercy and faith….” (Matt 23:23). One of the beautiful things about Orthodoxy is that we can discern falsehood without passing judgment on those who hold to it. We know that judgment is God’s job, and not ours….
Thanks for another great vid!
You did not get to know Mormonism from the inside. You did not even join or go through the temple. Plus they do not discuss these things we discussed at the Mormon Sunday services so you got nothing to contribute here. You did not provide one example of something I said that's untrue. Not sure why you brought up evangelicals being mean. LDS think they hold certain Orthodox beliefs but they are WRONG. Next time, put more thought into your comment.
@@contraheresy I didn’t see much wrong with their comment.
If anyone has any doubts about the lies of the Mormon religion...please pull out a map and find Madagascar...gingerly look slightly northwest and find the island of Comoros. Sound familiar? The capital of Comoros is Moroni. Enough said.
Indeed. Smith was an avid fan of pirate tales, namely Captain Kidd. One story is about buried treasure on Comoros Island guarded by a spirit. Sound familiar?
I was fourth generation Mormon on both sides of my family. Thank God I found Christ's church the Catholic church.
So the Pope claims evolution is true. Rome has a clergy that has abused young men for hundreds of years. Warned about it by the Lollards in 1400 AD. They worship dead saints and Mary (idolatry). Fellowship is at a saloon (K of C). You moved from one nightmare to a disturbing dream.
You are just as stubbornly convinced of your rightness as any Mormon, and like them surely believe some things that are false. Take the more out of your eye first and practice humility. For sure there are correct things moors believe that you do not, and some right things you believe they do not. It is not wise to try to raise yourself above others. All fall short of the glory of god, this is true of al men and all churches.
The prophet Joseph Smith (pbuh) has been deboonked by the amazing youtube Kyle
This is satire.
The Book of Mormon is satire.
@@josephb.4640 Agreed
Do JW's next
Mormons have young adult churches where the congregation is mostly young people so they can help them get married more easily. Mormons also have a dating app that is extremely well made. I think the Orthodox Church can take some notes from them when it comes to promoting young people getting married within the church.
Not the worst idea, but you should be super careful, because Mormonism has one of THE most lustful, disgusting theologies ever written. Trust me, we're all imperfect, but they have some OTHER motivations in mind when marrying...motivations regarding the afterlife and populating planets with celestial babies. No I am not exaggerating.
God bless, Kyle. Thank you very much for this quite insightful video on this.. institution. Kyle, since you tackled one of, sadly, many "restorationist" groups, could you refute others also? (e.g, Jehovah's Witnesses, Iglesia Ni Cristo, Two by Twos, Christian Science, Hebrew Israelites, La Luz del Mundo, United Church of God, Seventh Day Adventists, Christadelphians, Swedenborgians, True Jesus Church (China); Family Federation for World Peace and Unification (Korea))
The 7th Day Adventists are kind of on the edge. I think some of them can be real Christians, but the radical ones are questionable at best, probably heretics at worst. They basically believe in Saturday Sabbath and take it extra seriously, believing that it actually had its own spiritual significance rather than just a church tradition, almost like a God literally marked a date on the calendar where He's more available. Kind of weird, but not outright heretical there. The issue is when the radicals believe that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast and anyone who worships on Sunday (IE the majority of Christians) are condemned. I think Ben Carson believes this, but I'm not totally sure. You'll have to double check me on this.
The other major concern is that they used to follow a false prophetess, Ellen G. White, whose prophecies did not come true. As such, most of them have denounced her, but the radicals still hold to many of her teachings. She also was adamant about reading the 7 days of Creation literally, I think. Otherwise, 7th Day Adventists have American Protestant background, so take from that what you will.
But yes, I FULLY agree with these suggestions.
@@josephb.4640 thank you for taking the time to engage. I considered not putting them at all because they are "tame", compared with other Evangelical Protestant and Restorationist groups, but they definitely need to be addressed and refuted particularly for the j u d a i z i n g nature of their group and well.. their "prophets" and some other theological matters which are outright heretical (e.g, soul sleep). God bless!
@@Juan-gd1wd - Yes, that's true. They're big into following the old laws which we don't need to do. Thank you for the kind words! God bless!
Kyle can you make a video response to "A Messenger of Truth" latest video on Orhtodox the video is called "Eastern Orthodoxy Refuted - Spyridon Is NOT Christian"
Facts He should
FINALLY! I WAITED FOR SOMEONE TO DEBUNK THE SECOND ISLAM; THE ISLAM OF THE WEST! Thank you, thabk you Kyle. May God bless you 🙏🏼
Your videos have taught me so much about my own faith as an Orthodox Christian, and they help me in my own discussions with atheists and those of other religions. Plus, your videos are hilarious and edited so well!! God bless you!☦️❤️
Thank you! God bless!
Please, please, PLEASE make a video of debunking Iglesia Ni Cristo (A FILIPINO CULT), they're very similar to Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses
Thanks a lot, just a few minutes ago I (a protestant) was approached by a mormon but did not know in detail what they believe.. So it was hard for me to ask specific questions. So next time I am better prepared.
I pray that all people in the comments come to Orthodoxy or Catholicism. Leave the secular world, leave Islam, leave your sin. Embrace Christ!
So glad I’m Orthodox!
This video is bunk, as Kyle looks almost 100% like a Mormon Pioneer of the 1840's
A Puritan a Pilgrim' or a Quaker? Which one... Your crazy 😅 😂 bro. The mayflower 😂 you wrong for that one... I'm sure Kyle thinks this comment is funny 🤣 I don't think he's mad about it.
@@christianorthodoxy4769 it's 100% a joke - Kyle is awesome; love his vids!
@@George-ur8ow 100% yup, he knows that. ❤️🔥
Kyle,i totally agree 💯👍 with you.Yrs.ago,out of pity,i married the grandson of a Mormon.Lying, deceitful, dangerous clan.Controlling,and full of lies .After a marriage bases on lies,and the death of my belived father,i left this demon.he tried numerous times to kill me.A baptist,and ab end stage cancer patient,a victim of domestic abuse,i pray daily for protection.god bless you💯🙏
What's with the random periods. This is almost completely non understandable.
@@jhonayo4887 probably not a native speaker
@@jhonayo4887
Really? Just ignore the periods... 🤦🏻♂️
Traditional Mormonism is full of this because Joseph Smith taught blood atonement, which is acted out on apostates of the Mormon church. God is with you sister! You did well!
@@Johnathan909309
Wow, sounds like Islam..
The beard goes hard Kyle 🗿
I grew up mormon. Got out of it after questioning its history and now I’m Orthodox because of History. Glory to God!
Exactly, lol. The Mormons I've talked to know nothing about church history and are always blindsided when I mention the truth of apostolic succession. Even if you're Protestant, the historical record just annihilates the Mormon narrative of "a great apostasy," and devout Protestants recognize Mormonism as the heresy it is.
@@josephb.4640 💯
@@josephb.4640 The successor to an Apostle (IE mathias and Paul) were called Apostles. When they lost their authority they changed the name. They knew they weren't apostles.
Brother, you must have a deeper knowledge than conversational dismissal to make a video on a whole demographic presented as apologetics. Maybe the plan was to allow the guest to speak about the theology, which he did, but the accusations based on nothing and relying on the guest to contextualize your statement is bogus.
(Not a Mormon, passionate about the online apologetics movement being more than a hobby.)
I almost became a mormon but am glad I left because i saw the free mason elements of the church
Do the Jehovah’s Witnesses next
Me waiting for “Christianity is a FALSE religion!”
I guess Joseph Smith failed Ancient World History class (he didn’t know what Israel was)
CANT WAIT TO WATCH THIS WE NEEDED THIS EXPLAINATION
Take it with a grain of salt, a lot of what he says isn't true.
@@KnuttyEntertainment - You're a Mormon, aren't you?
Mormons would not be Mormons if they knew church history. The whole idea of the "apostasy" and "falling away" is literally just a historical falsehood. The basis for their authority is rooted in ignorance. They also have an extra holy book which lacks any historicity (either to the church or to real life; archeology proves the Bible and debunks Mormonism) or apostolic authority.
can you run me through some examples that would be greatly appreciated@@KnuttyEntertainment
@@atomickettle7320 There’s a lot. It would probably be more efficient for you to give me your perception of what Latter-day Saints believe and we can go from there.
I grew up in the Episcopalian Church nowhere in the Bible did they talk about infant baptism God brought me out of the Episcopalian Church and I'm thankful Mormon missionaries have really really hard really hard they go through a lot of hell going to go into details I live in Utah and I know Mormons in active Mormons Jack Mormons Mormons that left the church so I know a lot about the Mormons yes they don't believe in the trinity they believe in more than one God and they believe they will become gods and do their ordinances in the temple an ordinances in the ward and fulfill their callings and they're tithing and follow the books that the prophet gives out and to follow that in every Sunday they have to take Sacramento to renew their covenants God how do I know this because I talked to Mormons inactive or left the church so that's about it and by the way Joseph Smith is a narcissist he sounds that way to me and not to mention the polygamy and all the wives he had and everything else