Audio Technica ATH-M50x vs Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro (80 OHM) - STUDIO MONITOR Buying Guide! [2018]
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- A quick build/sound quality/features comparison between two bestselling MONITORING headphones
AUDIO TECHNICA ATH-M50X:
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This is a "we should hangout" kinda guy. Knowledgeable and affable.
At first glance, I read it as effable
I have been using the Beyer 770 pro for 5 years, traveling many times between countries and with them being really tight in my bag and they are like new, nothing have broken or tear, the build quality is superb.
The build quality is shitty. I had DT990 pros for one week and I had to return them. I heard weird sounds in left ear when I was listening something with lowend. Also the "DT990 PRO 250ohm" inscription, he began to rub off on the first day. I bought M50X and I'm finally happy... I have them good 5 months now and they are perfect.
@@asocial2476 it is really is personal experience based. I have beyerdynamic dt 990 250ohm and dt 770 80 ohm. Also have m50x and m40x. I prefer dt 770 overall. dt 990 is good for gaming. Audio technica always had issues for me. I do much prefer my Sennheiser any day of the week.
I've had mine for nearly 8 years now, still solid!
@@asocial2476 hater
@@asocial2476 Okaay, duud. Don't need to get aggressive. Haters.
Most helpful review I've seen on the two headphones. I'm currently torn as well, but you broke it down so thoroughly and well, I feel like I have a much better idea of the pros and cons of each. Thank you!
Thanks for your review! Was searching exactly for a comparison with these two headphones. I have the DT990 250 ohms and wanted a closed back "Allrounder". This video was helping to find my decision! Thank you and keep it up! Greetings from Germany
Adam Duff reviewing headphones!? nice one, i haven't sleep yet so i thought this wasn't you
This video is exactly what I needed 😳 thank you so much 🙏🏽
Dude looking into get my first nice pair of studio monitors and you answered so many questions I had in just this one video! These are the two I’m comparing.
Thank you man! One of the best reviews on TH-cam
WOW! Spot on. I have exactly the same impressions about these headphones. Good job!
I will add my experience, I bought my first pair like 20 years ago from Guitar Center for my electronic drum practices, In 2 decades of use all kind of things happened, dropped endless times, I smashed them with my ass in the throne, stand in the wire and stand up is very common thing for a drummer, I kicked them, even tripped with the wire and they still working up this days.
Drumming is very physical, easy to sweat and the headphone pads eventually gets very nasty, the good thing is Beyerdynamics sale the ear pads and the cushioned arc wrap as well, is also some aftermarket cheaper pads but personally I use the brand ones.
80 vs 250 ohm experience, I have both and I feel better bass punch with the 80 ohm, I used the DT770 with my computer, mixer and audio system, im not crazy how sounds like listening music but do the job.
Thank you for the video.
Thanks for a great review. Thorough and with enough depth without being too long. Great job.
Thanks for this video. You do the best comparaison between this two headset
Great video. Tons of detail. I searched your channel, I really was hoping to see you have a review of the M40X, as I think for monitoring that may be an even better comparison to the DDT
I have the DT 770 pro 80 ohm and it's incredible. It's so much comfortable with the stock velour pads, great soundstage especially for a closed back. And the subbass is insane..!!!
Yep, totally agree with that.
Mr. Wednesday hey, I am planning to get a Dt770, how was the insane? 🤕was it satisfying?
@@roufali3178 The subbass reproduction on dt770 80 ohm is by far one of the best for a close back. You can feel and hear the frequencies below 50 hz clearly unlike a lot of bassy headphones. And the bass is clear and punchy as needed. I'm happy with these and I recommend them as well. You can watch metal571's review on these headphones to get a better idea.
I wanna buy a pair but I'm unsure between the 32 and 80 ohms variants. I'll be plugging them into my desktop without any kind of amp. Which should I go for?
Sirsho Banerjee 80 ohm is recommended and you will get very low distortion and tonns of details compared to 32 ohms. Your desktop will be able to drive 80 ohm with decent volume level
Thanks for your review Adam. Finally... someone has convinced me into purchasing the DT770's. It was well explained with utmost intricacy and finesse. Cheers.
for work in a home studio ? you have got the 80ohm or 250ohm ? happy with them ? ......
@@ChrisBessy 80ohm. I just received them last week. I'm an audiophile, so for personal use only at home. I really love the flat response these have and impressive stereo imagery for closed back headphones. Very comfy too!
@Roinatan
These are my personal choice from what I have researched at around this price and although I do recommend them, everyone has different ears and tastes that suit their personal requirements.
I've spent many patient hours researching and listening to a myriad of closed back over ear headphones.
I seriously do recommend you take a listen before you decide on purchasing.
@Roinatan
That's ok, I'm happy to help.
One small tip of advice is listen to a familiar piece of music that has all the characteristics your after. Use this as your reference when listening to various headphones so you get a feel for the sound that suits you best. Good luck! 😉👍
What genre is most likely that DT770's is good at?
I truly respect you for the explanations provided between different headphones aspects. This is a gem for any buying guide type of video
Great review ... I have both of these - started with the ATH-M50x and was pretty pleased but I felt the comfort level was a bit fatiguing. I know a bit about inductive reactance and frequency characteristics, so I expect a 120ohm or 300ohm to sound better ... I never hear the Beyerdynamic before but saw some good reviews. I had had Sennheiser before and always loved them - bought some Yamaha and really didn't like them. When I compared the ATH-M50x to the DT-770 Pro (80ohm) I immediately noticed a sonic difference as well as comfort. My wife noticed a difference in a blind test as well. The DT-770 Pro didn't really have more bass, but it sounded ... better than the ATH-M50x. The ATH-M50x did have a little more punch but reminded me of something edging towards Beats or something like that 0 while the DT-770 Pro leaned more towards a higher-end experience. So, I have both, and 95% of my time is spent with the Beyerdynamic DT-770 Pro.
Same
HEY BUDDY, I WANTED TO TELL YOU I'M 49 YS OLD, IM IN WHEELCHAIR SINCE '98 I WAS A HIGH-END CAR AUDIO FABRICATION SYSTEM BUILDER W LOTS OF BASS AND IVE BUILT A STUDIO LAST FOUR YEARS, BUT IM SHY DONT MAKE VIDEOS BUT PROFESSIONALLY I MUST SAY IVE HAD AT 50X FOR 3.5YRS ROLLED OVER CORDS, DROPPED BANGED UP INLY SEEING DAMAGE IS LITE CRACKS IN EAR PADS ZERO NEW CABLES IVE SINCE GOT A WIRELESD PAIR ALSO 50 BTS THEY BOTH HELD UP SOUND PERFECT AND YES BOUGHT 80 OHM BDS AND I MUST HAVE BOTH I CANT DECIDE WHICH I PREFER UNTIL YOU GO TO. 1990 IF MIXING YES 250ON AMP ARE GREAT MAYBE THE. M60 OR M70 AT MAY PUSH ENVELOPE BUT OUT OF TWO I LIKE BOTH BUT BDS ARE LITE CLEARER MAYBEM600R 70. AT PRICE EVEN NOT OF CONCERN MAY BE THE ROUTE BUT I WILL CHECK THEM OUT NOW THANKS TO YOUR EXPERIENCES AND SHARING BECAUSE I AM A HUGE SEVERAL HOURS A DAY USER TO LISTENING. SO THANKS FOR YOUR EXPERIENCE STEVE
@@steveyockey765
Why you screaming XD
@@yooki8826 He's old and disabled I guess . . .
@@yooki8826he's deaf, probably from testing all that bass lol
Great review thank you. After this video im buying dt770 80 ohm
Do you use an amp?
@@bennos9604 you cant use it without
@@bennos9604 What are some good ones?
@@valerioodorisio you can, I've used DT 990 pro 250 ohms on my phone before
@@valerioodorisio why not?
I'm considering buying either m40 or 770 for plugging to my phone. No amp here.
Thanks for giving the point about the all-rounders instantly and not after a 20 minute video :)
One of the best reviews I've watched in along time. Well done, my friend.
10:20 sound review
Thank you. The next sentence he says is the answer!
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ur a saint
When i set up my home studio, i was really choosing just between Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro (250 Ohm) and Audio-Technica ATH-M50x, and i have finally chosen Audio-Technica ATH-M50x really because of that undetachable cable on Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro (250 Ohm).. i set this headphone really just for monitoring purpose and nothing else.. i already have other headphones for audiophile and other purposes.. so i really didn't take that versatility into account at all..
In regards to the sound quality, i really have read tons of articles, and watched tons of videos on TH-cam, then i finally had to compare the sound signature of each headphone, and really Audio-Technica ATH-M50x has a very flat sound signature comparing to Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro (250 Ohm) at high-end, mid, and low-end.. even some TH-camrs have said that they found the low-end has been boosted in Beyerdynamic DT770 Pro..
i like it. he describes both in something we can understand and decide which one is suitable for us. thank you!!!
ive been trying to make my decision for a few weeks now , tried them at guitar center multiple timescale your video was helpful. thank you
thank you
AT LAST i can come to a conclussion on which one i should get, been searching for quite some time lmao
Consider 250 ohm version. They are relatively more neutral.
@@sonnyethan9588 did you heared what a man in video said? If you dont have source for 250ohm you should get lower... you cant recommended to everyone 250ohm
@@sonnyethan9588 Unless you have the amp for that, please don't buy that shit lol. Get the 80s for PC/most studios or 32s for ur phone.
@@PsychoCaki I'm listening to this video on 250 ohm headphones plugged into my laptop and and the video is loud enough.
Hey Adam! Love all your stuff. By far my favorite headphones and I've burned alot of coin on different cans. Massdrop Sennheiser HD 6XX. FAR AND AWAY the best headphones I've ever had in my life. Fantastic sound and the most comfortable headphones I've ever owned. I use these 8-12 hours a day.
Keep it up!
The HD 6XX makes everything sound DELICIOUS. Smooth as butter and oh so comfortable.
But I must say I also LOVE my AKG K702 for their spaciousness and detail retrieval. If you're looking for a different flavor to complement your HD 6XX, I highly recommend them.
Truly helpful, appreciate your time and effort to share knowledge!!
Thanks for specifying the 80 ohm model. so many reviewers dont mention what model they have and that clearly indicates they dont know what they are talking about.
Unfortunately he still doesn’t. Claims build quality is better on m50x as they creak onto his head 🤣😂
@@freshkleensucks Just goes to show that showing off your cool gear everywhere and buying a SM7B isn't any proof of quality.
@@freshkleensucks Just goes to show that showing off your cool gear everywhere and buying a SM7B isn't any proof of quality.
@@freshkleensucks M50x feels so fucking good in the hand. I've returned mine because they were uncomfortable as fuck, but they feel solid, even though they're plastic, they're fucking rock solid. I have DT 770 80Ohm on the way rn, I'm not planning to return them, but will see how it'll go :>
freshkleensucks yeah, he said some really dumb and sometimes just incorrect stuff. The build quality thing, and then the comfort. Anyone that even hesitates for an instant to say the 770’s are more comfortable than the m50’s is a moron. M50’s are horribly uncomfortable while the 770’s are some of my most comfortable cans. Also he said “preamp” when he meant “amp” so many fucking times throughout the video, that was pissing me off lol
Nice review, Adam. I was looking at picking up a set of studio monitor headphones, so seeing this in my recommended as I finished watching your review of the Infinite Painter app this morning was perfect! I'm curious which headset you decided to keep. I'm still on the fence. That said, I have a Beyer Dynamic stage mic that sounds as good today as it did when I bought it new in 1988 and it's still the best mic I've ever owned. I realize I just dated myself, but oh well. lol.
I'm a novice that needed monitor headphones for voice overs. I chose the mx 50s because they met my price point and gave me the flexibility with the features and accessories. The technicalities around what I hear, I can tell the difference between them and my bose but my ear is not as tuned to hear the difference between the my 50 and the 770s. Maybe in the future I will sense the difference. For now I am happy with my purchase.
i used the AT m50x for about a year and some change, they're great if you like a very warm (almost muddy) low-mid response. they have a nice amount of lows and a slightly sharp high-end response. perfect for trap and hip hop.
A amp can make the m50x sound amazing, am sure the other one also. I still enjoy my m50x because their durability my m50x lasted me 8 years and still works perfectly lol
I'm on my 2nd pair of 50s. I've used them for years at work to listen to music, podcasts, so on--love them!.... However, I just bought a DAC and I'm considering the 770s to change it up a bit. This video has been very informative and I think I'm gonna give the 770s a shot!
How is your experience?
^^^ I guess by the lack of response you can go fuck yourself
@@jedemesa23 feels bad man
@@jedemesa23 I can guarantee you the 770s are undeniably worlds better from an audiophile perspective.
@@RumpelStiltskindarkone But duuuude! Audiophiles don't know anything! Markass Brownie and Lienus Sex Tips said the M50x's are absolutely perfect in every single way!!!! If a pair of headphones aren't M50x's they're trash-uuhhhh! Shut up!!!!!
Not the 770, but I upgraded from the m50x to the DT 990 Pro. What an upgrade! I was wowed at how wide and spacious the 990s were by comparison. Now going back to the m50x sounds cramped and claustrophobic, much worse in my opinion. Definitely looking to get the 770 next for some closed back headphones.
Ok, my first pair was ATH-2 in 1984, they blew me away, since then I've used loads incl very expensive brands like Ultrasone, Fostex etc.., but mainly for mixing producing. You don't need to spend thousands as the law of diminishing returns doesn't enhance your mixdown. On balance, my favourite is MDR-V6, the only downside are the cheap pleather flakey pads but you can change those. The DT-150 is definitely better than the DT-770 Pro, if you're a bass player the AKG-K52 is unbeatable period. But for all round use as you say the M50x are the best. If you're in to supra-aural, the HD25-1ii which has a signature based on the V6 is on par with the M50x.
Kudos to you Adam, great video! Which one would you get for voice over? Both of these are "over" the ear and not "on" the ear, right? Also would a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 (2nd or 3rd Gen), interface be enough juice to power up the 80 ohm's? Thanks a lot in advance for your reply details, Adam!
DT770 pro have been my favourite cans since 2004 and I was always blown away by the accuracy, high end detail, imaging and impressive bass handling which really made doing headphone mix downs a much more enjoyable and easier process. I have had all versions from 32-80-250 ohms, and also used the 990 open back versions which were definitely a little clearer/more detailed than the 770s but I still prefer the 770s. The recurring problem I had is that so many pairs of them blew in one or both sides, some within a short time some gradually but a disappointing number of failed pairs were the only thing that caused me to try other alternatives.
Sennheiser had some great ones called something like the DJ6 and mix6 or something along those lines - they were only for a short while around 2015 but I was very impressed with those, from the sound, build quality & comfort they ticked all boxes and I think may have been 32ohm with very nice clarity & deep bass. Also less fatiguing than beyers can often be over long periods (less so with the moleskin cup pads and also open back models which breathe better and have slightly less squeeze pressure around the ear. I seem to remember the plastic grille pressing on my ear cartilage on some pairs which was really painful.
I also had some Ultrasones but found they only had the sheen and no real knock/substance and the imaging was far less stable. Mixing music was very hard with those. 770s are a great standard, the clarity is immediately apparent & they are probably akin to monitors like the Genelcs which I have and find quite easy to reconcile them when A/B’d.
I will always recommend 770s as my personal favourite with the added warning about the potential to blow/fail.
Also, I tried the modded ones by Customcans and they were crap, added nothing to a fresh pair of 770s and the mod seemed to lose all of the mid range solidity / knock / depth. Image was off kilter and hard to place anything - I would warn against buying customcans, seems to be more expensive “audiophile” BS hype.
I haven’t personally found ANY true competition for 770s under £500, which gets into territory for headphones requiring high quality preamps etc - another subjective rabbit hole. 770s avoid all that and give a very fine reference point for high quality headphones at a brilliant price.
Dr Dre is probably hanging his head in shame
Omg.. the ASMR crowd haha 😂.. love it. Great vid/review! Thanks!
Do like me, get both lol. I see your Shure SM7B and MixPre 3 so they should be easy for you to buy lol.
I like the DT 770 for my monitoring and VO recording sessions, I like the M50X for when I am playing Bass or listening on devices outside of studio.
Oh man, you've helped me so much :D I'm at the same crossroad :) The third option I take into account are Sony MDR7506 which I used and really liked. I edit videos for a living and I also have a TH-cam channel on that topic. So the line between the comfort and "true sound" is thin for me as well. But now I'm really close to going with comfort, more travel-friendly headphones with 3 cables :) Thanks a lot and I'll be back on your channel.
Cut To The Point let me make it easy for you - after testing numerous other headphones it became increasingly easier to realize that the m50x are really garbage sound
I have since compared the dt770 pros to the 250 ohm (way to sibilant), then the sennheiser hd650 (uncomfortable and boring), the AT solid bass crap clarity and no bass), the dt770 Pro 80 ohm we’re destined to be the reigning champions
Then - I tried the ath-msr7’s and was blown away by the quality and clarity
Basically the dt770 pros with increased detail (and equal tight and satisfying bass despite reviews that state the opposite)
I would recommend the msr7’s
However - I just purchased and am waiting for my new ath-msr7b’s - Japanese import
They aren’t even officially being sold in North America yet
They’re essentially a significant upgrade to the msr7’s - just released in Japan last month
If you wanna hold out to see that review then cool, otherwise I say go with the msr7’s
Just note the creaking from the headband is a bit annoying when taking them on and off
@@AdamDuffArt Thanks for all that info. I'm still considering M50x though. It is already at the border of my headphones budget and MSR7's are over my budget :) So still have to decide between M50x and DT770 :)
@@AdamDuffArt So actually after few more hours I think I'll up my budget and go with your recommendation. Thanks! :)
ATH M40X is much better then Sony MDR7506
@@MRbeqa100 thanks!
Really great video man. I am a bass player and I've being tracking a lot from home during this lockdown. My Beats are getting old, and not a huge fan of them. Ofc, I like a great response to low end, but then I always end up doing " a little mix" either for social media contents... or just even sending bass tracks remotely to musicians / producers elsewhere in the World. The majority of people actually suggested me to go for the Beyer Dynamic DT 990, but for mastering/mixing purposes only. Obviously I'd like to avoid the open back due to spilling... in case I'm buying a mic for some bass tutorial where I am supposed to talk, or if I ever dare to release a piano and vox cover. I was exactly on the same fence you were talking about between Audio Technica and Beyer Dynamics DT 770. Despite the fact that I like comfortable headphones ( so the Audio Technica seem to win on that side), from your video it appears that the DT 770 are like a pair of monitors just at the side of your ears, more truthful and with a flat response... which in that case could probably help me whenever I am eqing sounds. I just wonder if the DD 770 respond well to track bass guitar, but indeed I am not pumping sub freq into them. Just asking as you mentioned they tend to have a slight distortion on the lows compared to the Audio Technica! Thanks
I have all three flavours of the Dt770s 32 ohm for field recording, 80 ohm and 250 for studio. I absolutely love them and barely feel that they're on. Cable management is the only issue though it's easier with the coiled cable on the 250ohm version.
Would you say the 250 ohm version handle the bass better and distort less?
@@axchisler no, the 80Ohm version is actually faster sounding and cleaner in the bass. 250ohm is cleaner in the treble.
The Beyerdynamic Custom Studio is based on the DT-770 Pro, 80 ohms, with a detachable cable and an adjustable bass reflex system with four different settings that makes it extremely flexible. I'd recommend getting it over the other two.
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@@martinkulik9466 Yes, it's a shame!
@@LousyFacelift I ordered dt770 80ohm. but will use with no amp. also, now I am checking dt250 ohm...I want best detailed sound under 200...and 770 seem to be staples
@@martinkulik9466 80 ohm version should be loud enough without an anp in most situations.
@@LousyFacelift yo I just received anker q30 and I am thinking of cancelling dt770. I think these q30 have some internal amp driving their sound since they are wireless with wired option. the bass is punchy tight and overally hi fi sound for 70 bucks...haha I dont know, check them out. my few days old superluxes 681 evo sound dull in comparison and they supposedly equal headphones 5x more expensive, but they can't match sound of q30. I am new to this and ordered these 3 headphones basically this week, but thnking to cancel 770 since I read they don't reproduce vocals right which is what I miss in superluxes too....
Wow! Just picked up the DT770 and decided to listen to your video after the fact! I see what you mean by all the Ssses, but you sound amazing! It straight up sounds like I am just monitoring your mic. Your voice is really clear!
Idk which one to buy for music production
The more I delve into the world of sound the more I see Beyerdynamic 80s. Got convinced when I saw a music guy I really respect on youtube wearing them on his head (had already done a ton of research on them beforehand), so I made the jump and bought them. Been happy with them ever since. I am extremely nervous about the cable, though, and it was the one reservation I had about the product. I baby that cable.
Just got my 770s today. No regrets.
Will they be good for gaming ?
@@radhamadhav8063 They're one of the most comfortable headphones I've worn. I don't use them for gaming, but after using them for an extended period, they don't bother me. You should look at the 990s too. They are open back, so theres a better airflow, and you might not feel as 'trapped' as you do with closed back.
I loved open back when i tried them on my cousin's hd6xx , but I'm very unlucky , i live in a super noisy environment and its a small house with a single room , so using an open back would actually be very disturbing , also since I'm a sucker for high volumes. So i just made myself go with closed back headphones. I will be gaming a lot , so I've decided to go with the coolermaster mh752. But I'll buy a very good open back one day , the CM is actually really affordable and quite cheap , so it just helps me save money for that future open back headset
I've been using a 770 pro 80 Ohm for more than a year now. It operates perfectly, no injuries, not nothing. It's perfect.
Do you use an amplifier? If not, how is it? Do I need to buy an amplifier?
Basil Ganglia I have both the 32 ohm pleather & 80 ohm as I type this 😂 can’t decide yet.... also haven’t even tried them with an amp 😭
Best explanation man...great job
Thanks I have narrowed down to DT770 Pros.
A great and detailed review. I actually just bought some DT770 Pros, and I do quite like them, but I find myself slightly disappointed with them when compared to my Sennheiser HD25s that I've been using most days for about 11 years. The HD25s have a much clearer and more true sound, and they isolate better. I think the 770s will have to be reserved for less frequent use at home, while the HD25s will continue to be my daily drivers. I know this video is pretty old now, but if you are still looking for alternatives, I'd say the HD25s are a very good choice, and I'm surprised no one else mentioned them. :)
That's amazing. I have experienced the complete opposite. I just switched from Dt770s to HD25s and I feel that they don't have as much detail nor do they have as good soundstage. Nor do I believe they isolate better. I guess it's just a matter of preference.
Probably because you got used to how the HD25s sounds after 11 years. try spending more time with the 770s and get used to it's sound signature. Switching headphones can sound tricky at first!
@@Wilantonjakov Nah mate when you've been using a certain pair of headphones for a long period of time and switch up to a new pair of headphones it will always sound like your last pair sounds better because you got used to how it sounds!
Interesting read... I've had my hd25's for about 20 years now... Done a damping mod and pre weighted the drivers... Swapped the steel cable for copper.. Changed the pads to larger yaxi pads... Anyway I've been looking at the dt 770's (80) for a long time... I done a side by side comparison a few months back in a shop... I thought my hd25's sounded better... Not sure if that's because like the above have said I'm use to them... Also unsure how long the dt770 had been burned in for, but they were display demo units so guessing they have defo had a few hours worth.. Another factor was I was in a loud environment and not sat at home (thought my hd25's also isolated better)... But here I am still looking at reviews on the highly recommend dt770's and still on the fence about if they're worth getting or not... Think I'm going to need to go try them out again. I want something for strictly home use games/films/music.. my hd25's will always be my go to for portable use.... For the comparison I was using my LG V40 phone which has a quad DAC powerful enough to drive the 250 version with my own music so a fair test ... Like I said I felt my modded hd25's sounded better... More bass, clearer mids and treble. Didn't feel the soundstage was really any wider on the dt770's but that maybe because I'm using deeper pads on my hd25's... I want to hear the dt770s in a quiet place with no background noise to really test them next time
@XOX the 990s were valor which I realise won't isolate as well as leather... Leather will also give more bass.. Also the valors could have been quite worn which would also change the sound characteristics.. My pads on my hd25 are yaxi leather.. They're almost over ear in size an quite a lot bigger than the originals. Hd25's are designed to keep sound out without the extra sound deadening I've done to the back of the cups. I was in a loud shop and tested them against my hd25's and if any different it wasnt a night and day difference in terms of isolation. In fact isolation wasn't the issue I had regardless. I just didn't think they sounded any better or even as good. I'm still looking at them or the 990's though as they both get good reviews and will be for home use.
The M50X are very unpopular in the audiophile community, due to their overpowered bass and muddy mids.
The DT-770’s are SUPERB! It’s my 3rd pair!
Thank you Adam! This is the best & most easily understandable clip on this comparison I've watched. I first got the 770D's & was disappointed about the bass "crunch" you described at high levels. Was going to send them back but got the Audio Technica's first. Now after watching your video I've decided to keep both and use them for different things & moods. The Audio Technica's when I want volume such as music and the Beyers for cinematic viewing. Love them both so WHY DECIDE? Only a cupla hundred bucks each & price is long forgotten after awhile & now I have the best of BOTH worlds! Thanks again for your GREAT analysis & helping me decide! 👍BTW I only use them for listening NOT monitoring but need closed back as my housemates complain about my sound at 2am lol! 😊
I have dt 770 pro and 880 pro... absolutely love them! Most comfortable headphones I've ever used. I dont record, I just like good sound and comfortable headphones. I have the 770 with the short cord to take on flights. I agree... they are not designed to go around your neck, but they are great on a long flight :)
I really have to take a week at least to break these in (if I still can't decide on the sound quality) - they really started causing a headache after longer usage
Wait up, a short chord? I didn't know they had that option! (fyi, I returned the M50x's - going to be comparing them to the Sennheiser HD650's tomorrow) - I had a chance to try the 880's and 990's today - and honestly, I feel that the 770's had the best detail and purity of sound.
Yes, I love the short cord! My dad has the 650s... he does mixing though. He absolutely loves them.
@@theforgedone I love my dt770 250ohm but thus I have the long cable not flat pffff .... lol
how can I change this ? I see very nice rework of dt770 on internet ......
@@ChrisBessy th-cam.com/video/XCdQHamb5dk/w-d-xo.html try to do this
ATH-M50x are more comfortable, however the sound for me was super high pitched and actually hurt my ears to listen to. The DT770s have far fuller, well-rounded/balanced sound and are very comfortable too. I went with the DT770s in the end because of the sound... I just couldn't deal with the high pitched frequencies of the ATH-M50x. I also have a friend who has had DT770s for many years and they're still going strong - very good build quality, long lasting.
For that reason probably, my experience is that for people who produce/mix trap music and such, the ATHs work well. But I don't, so...
A few months ago i bought the 770 pro 80ohm and im loving them. Using them for everything - music, movies, all kind of games. Had to buy an AMP tho, you can use them without an amp, directly connected to your PC but the volume is kinda low. With the amp its amazing. Super comfy and the sound stage is great in games.
What amp you get
Great video! Really great! Thanks a lot for the detailed explanation.
from looking at both i thought that the m50xs feels cheaper and not built as well as the dt770s
mic sounds good, just got my sm7b, powered by GOXLR... would love to see your eq.. thx for the vid. I want to try both these headsets.
Thank you! Really good video!
Thank you brother, great video! I was also on the fence regarding which pair to buy for my new podcast Launching 2021 UpandComingLive. Thanks again brother 🙏🏾 🎧
Few thoughts if I may. Build: DT pleather is actually better by far. M50 will flake within a couple years. Cable the opposite. Despite feeling more robust the DT will go open long before the lighter M50 cables guaranteed.
Isolation: I'm confused by your background fan noise explanation. Monitoring headphones are _supposed_ to reduce sound leakege to and from your surroundings. Eg when recording vocals the studio mic should not be picking up music track leaking from the vocalists headphones. You hearing sounds outside is a bad thing in a studio monitor.
Last, you describe listening to multiple audio sources from music, games etc and finding the DT more engaging. Isn't that an argument to use them more as entertainment?
Id be interested what you think of them after a couple years with both.
I need a hybrid of both. The build style and features of the 50’s but the sound of the 770’s 😂
Personally I like the sound of the m50x better Im a producer and I find my mixes transfer better from the m50x. However I am very used to how they sound so take that as you will
good information. i liked the depth in analysis. thanks
Very good video. I found out what I needed to know about impedance.
Haha the ASMR was award winning , I think you found your niche Adam ;P
I’ve heard both, beyerdynamics are definitely more detailed with awesome sound stage they sound amazing, and M50 are more for general use not as detailed but with a bit more bass as he explained, I hook them up to my e drums and unfortunately had to return the dts due to distortion on my bass drum
So the Beyerdynamic dt770 couldn't handle the kick drum of a e-drum? I'm looking for a good headset to buy with a Roland TD17 kit, so this would be helpfull information.
arvidb30 yeah mann they would distort with the bass drum I’d say get some different ones and make sure the ohms aren’t so high if you want good volume out of them
treble doesn't equal detail
One of the most sensible reviews I've read so far.
Very nice video man. I like it a lot and made my decision about the DT770 more so to say "comfortable" . I will get them soon. I already made a purchase, got the AKG K240 MK II , but I'm not so hyped about them , still they are very nice tho, but i shouldn't get semi open headphones, at the end I will have two good studio headphones soon. Salute from Bosnia :)))
Because of distorting base I returned two pairs of DT770 80 ohm variants and one 32 ohm variants. Sound was very, very good but when bass kicked in that distortion make them unusable.
I have been using dt770pro 80ohm for two years now, replacing several "gaming headsets" that always broke after some 6 to 12 months of use. Mostly PC use (gaming and youtube), and music mostly from my S9+ phone using "poweramp" app. I now understand why reviewers say it is the best between 100 to 200usd. dt770pro is bass heavy, recessed mid and also a little heavy on treble, sort of V shape (at least for my old ears). It handles bass (and it has sub bass) very well and I would recommend it to all bass heads. Excellent for games and for music. I also EQ with more bass and treble, but that is me. AFAIK the DT770 model was launched in 1985 and 34 years later they are still being built and sold - this HAS to mean something.
No other words can contain more truth than these ones. Received them today. Tested immediately on the weaker of my devices (Panasonic Scpmx80 micro hi fi). Of course volume has to be raised close to maximum (35-37/50) but despite of the fact they are not enabled delivering their best, the quality is here, exactly as you said: as I am basshead but not a bassfanatic, I appreciate how they are managed. Recessed mids. Trebles sometimes too heavy. They should run better on cayin n3 and on my high end motherboard.
I was on the exact same fence just a couple months ago. Also had both of them for a little while to play around and the Beyerdynamics really stuck with me. While the extra wires and more space while around the neck was a noticable plus for the Audio Technicas, the immersion I felt with the Beyers just couldn't be beat. Completely understand the point about the sort of "draw" that the Beyers create. Long story short stuck with the Beyers and haven't regretted the choice yet. Hope this helps out anyone with their choice, have a great day!
P.s. The Beyers did break in very well. Great comfort in my experience.
best review on YT. you're THE man. I'll buy the AT 50 because I need more volume and I do not mind a little more bassy sound. But I'm sure in some cases I woud have preferred the DT. thanks again for your detailed review.
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@@o.b.v.i.u.s actually, I'v bought the two. although I've found the MSR7 significantly having a better sound, I've had to return the MSR7 to amazon, because of the left driver affected by a defective electrical contact. but ok, I'm planing to buy the MSR7b given that in the meantime I've just received the Fiio M11 (balanced headphones out)
@@davidepollak3 excuse my extreme brevity, i was responding to your "best review on YT" comment... it's really not a very good review of the headphones and... among all the gear from which we'll have to choose, microphones and monitor speakers and/or headphones are the things we want *_least_* to rely upon IMO... if at all possible, *LISTEN TO MICS AND MONITORS YOURSELF* before deciding... even if it's an excellent review (which IMO this one is not... i don't intend to bash on the well-meaning reviewer but by his own admission he is relatively new to pro audio)... 😉
I have a pair DT 770 pro's I've been using for about 6 months my favorite closed back head phones
I can't make a decision between DT770 and DT990. Any suggestion?
I've got them both now in 80 ohm I've switched ear pads on them and that makes a big difference
@@shawnkooyman4612 I wanted to get DT770 pro 250 ohms because it has coil cable which looks robust but I am worried that if my PC can power it without an amp......
@@hounddog00 no you probably need an amp to get the best sound out of them ,the ifi Zen DAC is a good amp I have one it would power them and I think it was under $150
@@hounddog00 @hounddog00 if you need an open back then 990. You'll definitely need an amp to get the best out of 990. Also 990 can have some sharp treble so if you're treble sensitive then go with 770. If you need a closed back and want good bass then go with 770 80 ohm. In the end it all comes down to your use case. (if you buy 250 ohm ones, you'll need an amp otherwise you might not like the sound as it will sound very close to your ear and congested, and the sound will lack clarity and soundstage. You can check your motherboard manual to see if it's capable but often that doesn't lead to anything helpful. And any current budget amp will be able to drive 250ohm just fine.)
I'm looking for some good headphones with a bit more reverberation actually... so that I can "feel" the explosions again. Using the MMX300s (which is basically a DT770 with a mic) now, which are fine, super pure very clear sound. However, my old Syberia650s with 50MM drivers are about as clear, and give a ton more reverb and experience when playing games.
Tried both for a month. Kept the 770s. Way better comfort, wider soundstage, smoother highs, decent subbass and monitoring my guitar sounds more natural. But a friend uses the m50xs to mix basslines in techno music. They aren't bad, but I prefer the 770s in nearly every aspect
From what i've heard theres also a sound signature difference between the different ohmage models. An easy way to manage the beyer cable is to braid it :). It looks pretty as well.
"ohmage" is incorrect... the correct term is *_impedence_* 😉
Que interfase de sonido usas? Muy bien la review. Congrats!!!
I don't even speak Spanish, but I could read this.
Your main complaint about the DT770 was the non-detachable cable. It's actually a common mod to make it re-moveable. Then you can make (or have made) your own custom cable. And I decided to go with the 250 ohm version for pure sound. If I want more bass, I'll just use the EQ on my LG V60. The 770's should be able to handle it no problem.
Would you say the 250 ohm version handle the bass better and distort less than the lower impedance models?
@@axchisler not really. Higher impedance won't handle bass better, but gives it a wider power range to reproduce audio frequencies more accurately. If you want more bass, you have to look at the sound signatures from different manufacturers and then test to suit your taste.
Hey man, thanks a lot for the review. Old but still gold. I own an apollo twin x, could high impedance (like 250ohm) be a problem? Also, with that setup would you still recommend the dt770 pro over the ath m50x?
thanks in advance
Great review, love the various elements you discussed outside of the pure sound too.
How do you feel today and which did you keep?
Just tried the DT 770's. First thing I noticed is a MUCH wider sound stage on the DT'a vs Audio Technica.
I can't make a decision between DT770 and DT990. Any suggestion?
@@hounddog00 : DT990 is opened back, while DT770 is closed back..
Thanks, great comparision. :)
You should try out the Beyer Custom Studio, almost the same build and sound as the 770's. However, it has bass switches for both analytical and fun listening and detachable cable!
Many also say that it has a more refined treble compared to the 770's.
I actually did - and from what I experienced, without the bass turned on all the way it’s essentially horrible flat sound (and not the good flat)
I really wasn’t impressed at all with them, especially after the dt770s
I bought the 770 Pro's because they have one of the best (biggest) sound stage for closed-back headphones, so it makes it one of the best headphones for gaming. All of the Audio Technica ATH-__x models have a tiny sound stage, which makes it less than ideal for casual usage, but it makes it great for straight monitoring and one ear solo monitoring while working with audio professionally.
Yeah the sound stage of 770s is amazing, especially in FPS games like Battlefield and COD
Nice video. I wish had seen these before purchasing the m50x, the highs are kinda sharp to my ears. But it could be probably cause of my source - Pixel / Fiio X3 1st Gen / Asus S406UA. Also comparing 38ohm m50x with 80ohm dt770 isn't the right one. A better comparison would've been 32ohm dt770 vs m50x :)
Perfect video
Adam, im sorry to be off topic but im interested in getting the SM 7B and was wondering if you use a cloud lifter with the mixpre 3? The reason i ask is because i have the same recorder but i know the SM7B is a hungry gain mic. I suspect the Sound Devices will be enough but want to hear your opinion.
Just bought the dt770 pro (80 ohms) with an ifi hip dac for pure listening. Sounds amazing:) The sound is so rich and the bass doesn't overtake it!
The best headphones I ever had for sure:)
I'm planning on getting these, thanks dude I'm hyped now
@@Banktiktok1 nice:) just so you know ,the highs can be little sharp and give some s/c sounds if you know what I mean with bright voices. It's very easy to fix thought just turn down the highs a little bit with an eq.
Btw: the 250 ohm version have even sharper highs, so I can recommend the 80 ohms over the 250 ohm, if you are sensitive to sharp s/c sounds. It can be a bit harder to fix on the 250 ohm.
@@elliotandersson8302 Perfect, il be getting the 80's thanks mate
@@Banktiktok1 Your welcome:)
Nice bro, how's the bass? For dubstep or hip-hop
I had the Shure SRH 440 with a (DETACHABLE CABLE) it broke after 2 years.... For the last 5 years I've been using the DT 770 PRO 250 OHM I can say one thing WOW. SUPER DURABLE, AMAZING QUALITY, GREAT SOUND 100/100
Are you using them with an audio interface and if so can you tell me witch one?
@@nikin2786 yes I am, my audio interface (at the moment) is the M-audio profire 610
@@GoreMelian thank you
Nice video, I've seen a lot of Vs with this models, and you are the only one that make my decision clear. I'm a drummer so de kick drum and floor tom get distorded in my headphones, so I'm going with de m50x because handle base better than the bayerdinamic. Thanks man.
Thank you for this, I'm leaning towards ATH m50x, the limited purple ones, mostlycause they don't bunch up on my chin while I am on the go listenin' to music!
I think it's quite a bit subjective between Audio Technica and Beyerdynamic series. Personally, Beyerdynamic series does slightly make audio feel more alive and pleasurable.
For casual listening, no comparison. I had them both and Beyer wins hands down...
80 OHM?
@@tayyabiqbal2143 do you have a DAC/AMP? if not, and you're going to be using it raw, the 32 ohm would be better.
@@WeedSmoker69 No I don't, thanks. I heard the Crossfade M-100 Master is better both with or without a DAC/AMP, so I might go for those. Which do you think is better based on sound quality?
@@tayyabiqbal2143 i'm not sure based on sound quality but i've heard the M100 is a solid choice overall. the M100 is a 32 ohm impedance, so i would think the 80 ohm beyerdynamics would sound better if you had a DAC/AMP though. also, i think the beyerdynamics are more comfortable in their stock ear pads, and they're cheaper too. my vote is beyer
edit: also, you could use the extra money for a DAC/AMP
@@tayyabiqbal2143 Yes.. 80 Ohm one :-)
just order my DT770 pro today. thanks,,
Good podcast with valuable information I am also in the process of buying headphones and these two headphones are ones I am considering I have subscribed and given you a positive response
extremely informative video hands down, got the 250 ohm dt 770's and now i wish i got the 80 ohms as having to turn my maschine mk3 headphone volume 3/4 to get a decent loud sound through.....but i guess the 250's will handle louder volume if i want it.
I am getting the 32ohms version
It's my understanding the m50x was not designed for studio use. It's the fun v shaped version of that line. The m40x is what you want. They are the neutral headphone in that line that would serve you better. Also take a look at sony 7506, Sennheiser hd280 and hd 380 pro
also a little confused with the title
Well, the “M” does stand for “monitor” which technically categorizes them for studio usage
My opinion is the m50x do so extremely well due to MKBHD’s high praise of them, but I personally really don’t find them at all good I terms of sound
@@AdamDuffArt you watched an older video of his, when he was new to the scene, he later mentioned that the M50x have been spiced up for the casual bass head listener, for any critical listening any audiophile will recommend the M40X as the top comment told you in the first place
@@AdamDuffArt I disagree.. I like the 50x more. Not because of Mkbhd
Maybe the M-50x can be used for tracking, but a lot of people use DT-770 to know what’s happening when tracking.
I have tried the DT 770 Pro in both 80 and 250 Ohm. Recommended them a few times to happy recipients who prefer listening to music like Jazz or Classical Music.
Also tried a few Sennheisers, Sonys, Koss, Bose and Bower Wilkins Headphones just to mention a few that are either a popular choice or really good on their own.
Notable mention... the Koss Porta Pros always amaze me as a compact on Ear Headphone.
But back to those two legendary Headphones ... i just bought my third pair of M50s ... my second one beeing the BT2 Variant ...which truly sounds like it is indeed wired... if you use LDAC 960kbps.
Stay away if you intend to use them with an iPhone. They will sound as dull or even worse than a pair of Ear Pods Max.
My original pair of M50s was now 14 years old and i have used it at least a few hours every day... at home, on the go ... just always.
Why did i replace them for a new pair of M50 (in the M50x Gunmetal variant :))? Because they sound so much more fun... they work for films, also Jazz and Classical Music ... although the sound stage is not nearly as wide as on the DT 770 Pros or the DT990 for that matter and the clarity is also not as defined.
But exactly this clarity is for my preferred types of music too much, too airy,... i love that DnB, Techno, Rap and Trap or any type of EDM sounds like you are in the club.
Huge Speaker style bass, nothing distorted, nice but tight soundstage that can become quite a bit wider with the proper recording.
This btw. also makes them quite useable for fast FPS Shooter Games... positional audio is still decent while explosions sound like real explosions.
"Airier" Headphones like your typical Bose or Sony NC Premium headpones, the DT 770 or the good sounding but very fragile Premium Steelseries Headsets do not reproduce mids and especially low frequencies quite as punchy but still not overexposed like the M50 do.
Back to my final Audio verdict as i drifted over to why i also like to use them for really everything else.
I like my audio clean, neutral and undistorted but still dirty, so when the fat baseline hits, it really hits you.
So i have the peace in mind that i do not care if i listen to Simon & Garfunkel, Lil John, A$AP Rocky, The Prodigy, John Spencer Blues Explosion, ELO, Justice, Die Antwoord, Dj Shadow, Slipknot, Trampsta, Massive Attack, Dj Fresh, Autechre, Chicago, Schoolboy Q and whatnot... it all just sounds so right. Not only clean but also fun.
Mind you the DT 770s will manage to play quite a few of these Artists just fine too,... but take the song Bassline Junkie from Dizzee Rascal ... the bass will not "be buzzin" on the DT 770 Pros ...
so that is definately a song that sounds just weird on the DT-770 Pro.
John Spencer also sounds in general nicer on the M50s although the DT770 also do a good job but they do create a different experience for the listener.
So if you want a "always on" wide soundstage with pristine separation (perfect to dissect every single instrument track) and brilliant treble ... go get the DT 770 Pro´s ... they do feel more comfortable and a bit more premium.
But i just cannot quit the M50s ... they sound so much more fun to me and when i need some bangers instead of the 4th coffee... the DT 770 just do not cut it.
Comfort was a problem in the end with my 14 year old ones ... but both new ones feel really nice.
At the very first day i should have given the Headband a little strech as the fit will hurt after a few hours if you have a rather big head like me.
Now a few days in this does not bother me.
Quite curious ... the Earpads from the BT2DS Variant are quite noticeable softer and feel really nice throughout a 10 hours office day (Mic is really really good for Teams and i can dual pair my phone and notebook).
Still the M50 Earpads will be comfortable enough, even for longer sessions as long as they are fresh, be sure to replace them as soon as you feel the inner cup putting pressure on your ears.
There are also quite a few high quality after market earcups available for the M50s ... but that sounds like a research of its own which i have been too lazy to do yet.
I have the D770 Pro 32 Ohm version, the only flaw is that dumb connector for the left side (that thing will break), the poor portability and the M50X has a detachable cable.
For sound quality, i used the M50X for studio purposes, the DT 770 Pro sounds way better, night&day difference by the separation you mentioned.
It sounds more accurate or overall flatter, it's extremely noticiable for classical music. The calibration for the left and right drivers are excelent, sounds coming from the center do come from the center, that never happened for me with the Audio Technica.
The Audio Technica M50X isn't as flat as the dt 770 pro and it's amazing for electronic music as you mentioned.
Great review m8 :) Subscribed