Here's How Much Tesla Charging Actually Costs!
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For me, it’s been over 5 years since I bought gas, but in terms of average annual mileage it’s actually more like 10 years and in this video I’ll explain why that is and I’ll reveal how much it’s actually cost to charge my Tesla Model 3 along with how much money (and other things) that I’ve saved by not buying gas. My 2018 Tesla Model 3 just surpassed 136,000 miles, and that is an important milestone because the average driver in the US drives 13,500 miles per year so that means I’ve traveled the equivalent of 10 years of driving for the typical vehicle owner. My total charging cost up to this point in time can be a good estimate of what someone can expect to pay over the average lifetime ownership of an electric vehicle. It’s ironic that one of the biggest reasons that make people afraid to buy an electric vehicle is the transition to charging instead of filling up at the pump, when in reality, charging is possibly the best part about owning an EV. I got so fed up with gas that I spent way more money than I ever thought I’d spend on a car when I got my Tesla Model 3. Let’s get to my favorite part of drilling down into the numbers to calculate my total cost to travel the equivalent of 10 years of average driving in my Tesla Model 3 and compare it to what it would have cost in a comparable gas car. One of the few downsides is the additional cost of adding a home charger. Many EV owners can actually get by with just charging their car on a normal outlet if they have access to one such as in their garage, so there’s really no need to pay for an EV home charger in that case. I drive much more than the average driver so I need to charge my car faster than what a normal outlet provides so after receiving a 30% tax credit I ended up paying $940 for an electrician to install an EV charger in my garage, which falls within the average cost of an EV home charger installation. If we compare that to the fastest Toyota Camry model from the same year which averages 26 miles per gallon, the total gas cost to travel 136,000 miles at an average gas price of $3 per gallon would be $15,692. Maybe best of all, my battery health is at 95% and is still going strong after all these miles so if I indeed hit my goal of 10 years of ownership, that could be $22,000 in gas savings alone which is incredible. To top it all off, if you purchase a Model 3 before the end of the year and qualify for the full tax credit, the cost is only $33,000 which is about the same as a Toyota Camry.
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Hi - I ordered a Tesla yesterday with your referral link. By the way I am in Louisville too! 🙏🙌
Tax credit
AKA other people helped pay for it
The savings are great, but I really underestimated the convenience of home charging
Most do!
Same here - I have a 45 minute commute each way and either charge at work and/or top off at home - though gas saving / driving by long gas lines at Costco is nice, I just like how my transportation is like my cell phone - it’s ready for use in the morning…
@@bufordlife9781 The Costco gas line is no joke. I get some shit for driving an EV and how long charging takes.. Do you realize how much time I've blown in the Costco gas line?
What made the most sense for me was that charging my Model 3 at home I would go to the office and back, the companies would reimburse my commute per km which was roughly 4x what i spent charging off peak overnight at home. This meant i was actually making some extra money by driving the model 3 to work.
I paid for the biggest chunk of my car with those extra "reimbursements".
Wow and good company but reality time its not all company will pay you for your commute or reimburse you. Make it a real fact not just your company.
@@kadu2be in the Netherlands the majority of companies do.
Most won't reimburse you for gas either. So, that's a wash.
@@jjgebarowski depends where you live, it's extremely common in the Netherlands for instance.
Dude that's 600 IQ hahaha
My ‘16 MX P90D has 273,000+ miles. Has only lost 13% battery and I love not smelling gas. And the autopilot allows the driving to be tolerable. Have a business and that’s where all the mileage comes from. LOVE my Tesla!! Can’t imagine dealing with a gas car ever again.
Ditto!
The only reason you must have been smelling gas is because you held a rag filed with gas over your face..Not recommended. Your cult indoctrination is now complete.. You get your diploma in the mail in 6 to 8 weeks.
Woa
Is that all on the original battery? I love tesla and just got a model y, but see videos all the time "tesla with 100k miles" and in there they say, battery was changed a few times.. So curious and what percentage do people get battery changed?
@@PruthviChauhan Yes! It’s now over 277k. As I do now with my iPhone, do not completely 0 the battery and do not charge it to 100%. I go 10-85%. Don’t even test to see the battery is at 100%. Calculate its percentage/ mileage to know what the max is. 90% of my charging is on superchargers. Only if I desperately need to go much higher than 95% because there’s not a supercharger available that you want to push your battery to that point. The battery was rated at 250 miles, I’m down to 217 which leaves about a 13% degradation. I do a lot of stops and short charges to be in the peak of the charging curve, then move on. I do a lot of drafting which increases mileage. And I haven’t replaced the brakes on this X either. I may do it at 300K just because, pads and rotors. It’s charging to 100% (I think) what kills the battery.
Nice! I can tell you that, after 11 years and 140K miles, I've spent nearly $3K to "fuel" my EV. If I'd kept my previous Subaru instead, I calculate that I would've spent more than $23K.
I just traded my Outback for a model 3 for this reason. Cheers
But a replacement battery cost 12 to 20k... so not much of a savings
@@krispy5139 Why would I replace the battery? EV batteries are now lasting longer than the cars they're in!
@Yanquetino average is 80,000 to 100,000 miles then battery issues. But yes they are slowly getting better.
When fuel prices are even higher and you mostly charge with essentially free solar, the savings are even higher. Works out nearly $6000 a year for me with my Model 3 (Australian $). I do about 25000km a year.
While the fuel savings and much lower maintenance are nice, the main reasons I bought my Model Y was because of the performance for the price, and especially the high crash safety ratings that all Teslas are known for. Obviously no one wants to be in an accident. But if you do get in one, they are some of the safest cars out there. This should be something to consider for folks that have small children.
And as a bonus, you have access to 4 of the car's cameras, so you also have video evidence from 4 different angles. So if that crash turns into a "he said, she said" thing, you can show the officer and insurance agents what happened, again from multiple angles. I'm sure they'll believe that over the other person's testimony.
I was going to get a 45A 22V port in the garage, but the 110V/15A charger does what I need for in-town. When traveling, I supercharge.
If the circuit breaker you use for charging only feeds one or two outlets, an electrician can change outlet(s) to 240V for 50% quicker charge time. This upgrade only takes 1-2 hours.
While EV savings abound, another EV cost that some neglect to mention is that many states also charge an annual “EV” registration fee. This is done to help off-set the loss of gas-taxes made from ICE vehicles buying gasoline. In California, for example, this can be as high as $175 which is added to your annual license plate renewal fee.
Yep this one took me by surprise in TN.
Add to that the substantially higher insurance rates. $ 1,000 plus
@@fxvsdx35 My insurance didn't change when I got an EV. It's very reasonable.
True, but that's also fair. Roads are largely maintained through fuel taxes, so an alternative method needs to be in place for EVs.
Which only illustrates the stupidity and shortsightedness of some politicians. Heck. I don't have to pay such a stupid tax, fortunately. But I'd be glad to do so, only for the extra driving fun I have compared to my old ICE's (one of which being a Golf I GTI, just to name the most fun one them).
Thanks Andy! I’ve got a 2022 model 3 and my electricity rates are the same as yours, but we installed our own charger. This really give great insight into the savings over 200,000+km’s (because I’m Canadian!). None of that included oil changes, air filters for ICE motors, transmission or differential failures or fluid changes. Just don’t scratch or get in an accident with the Tesla 😂
Just got my Tesla. If it lasts 10 years, that will be well worth it to me.
I'm still team gas... I've got gasoline in my blood, but I'm REALLY getting close to pulling the trigger on a Model 3. Test drove one recently and was really impressed, and the idea of charging at home and not having to get gas every few days... I have a 100 mile commute, is VERY appealing.
It doesn't hurt that I just found out most of the Smithfield restaurants have Superchargers, which seems like a really smart idea on Smithfield's part.
Gradually all major stores will have this. There just aren't enough EVs for them to hit the switch on it.
I was team gas until my brother got one. He then upgraded from his Model 3 to an S Plaid and offered to sell me his Model 3 for a pretty good price. I did the math and am paying 1/8 the price to charge the Tesla compared to fuel up the truck, mile per mile driven and calculating the cost of mpg to miles per KwH. Honestly if you can't charge at home I wouldn't make the switch. I had to rely on superchargers that were 5 miles from my house for the first 2 weeks and the stress of always watching my battery and trying to decide when to charge and plan my entire week was very taxing on me. If you have a home and can get a charger installed, I'd pull the trigger in a heartbeat. I truly believe I will have an electric car as a daily for the rest of my life. Sure, I will likely still get a fun toy ICE for weekend pleasure drives, but the convenience of electric cars will probably steer me into team electric from here on out for daily driving. Hope this helps!
Hi Andy - great video, very good analysis! I'm team ev but all has not been roses. I'm on my 3rd high voltage battery pack and my mileage is roughly 51,000 miles. First replacement was an insurance claim as I was hit with a tie down strap from a transport truck, and the second pack just died for some unknown reason one year later. I have a 2019 dual motor with acceleration boost. You just can't beat charging at home and the supercharger experience has been excellent. In fact my wife and I drove from Ottawa Canada to Wasau Wisconsin this summer in the Tesla, what a great drive and absolutely had no issues with supercharging. (other than being iced but not too much delay)
I'm also on my third set of tires and my brakes need an overhaul. (new rotors and pads - rarely use them - max regen) Both of my tail lights have needed replacement due to condensation and the paint has been quite a disappointment (lots of chips and peeling) considering its cost. In any event I have looked at other ev's but refuse to replace the Tesla because of the charging infrastructure. The NACS is slowly being adopted so possibly our options with other manufacturers will increase, but still waiting on that.
I just ordered & took delivery of my 2023 Model 3 in Nashville TN using your referral code! Your videos on battery degradation and gas savings sold me on going electric. Hopeful that my model 3 lasts just as long as yours!
I bought my Model Y 4 months ago and loving it. Save lot of money. Car is high tech and top safety rate. Folks not wanting to convert to EV is because they are in denial.
People always compare gas to electric on cost. Rarely do they mention the health benefits to our, and our families lungs.
And the lower maintenance EV's in general need since they have much fewer moving parts than a gas car does.
@kmturley1 tell that to some child labourer mining the lithium in a jungle country…but hey, at least the sand dwellers are experiencing better health as well so you win some and lose some…p.s. let me guess..that child is so happy he has a job.
@@bcbud1015 Children do not mine lithium. Big heavy machinery does that. I think you are confusing this with the kids from Indiana Jones's Temple of Doom.
You have another category of savings which is maintenance cost, 5 years of minimal maintenance on your EV, compared to 20+ oil changes, at least 1 transmission fluid change, etc.
How about tires on an EV every 25k vs 50-60k on an ICE. That's also significant.
Maybe $300 more per year for tires on the EV.
@@ocman11 That depends entirely on how you drive and on what tires you install. Drive well and use good tires, and you'll get longevity. I get about 45,000 miles per set.
Nice job making the numbers resonate!
Está de parabéns por despoluir o planeta e ainda prova que veículo elétrico tem melhor custo benefício e ainda poderás trocar seus veículos pelos novos melhoramentos que a Tesla sempre vem aprimorando. Paz invulnerável !!! Valeu seu trabalho de conscientização é de muito bom gosto e uma tremenda utilidade pública !!!
I’m in plug-in hybrid team 😊
Chevrolet Volt 2: 50 miles electric, then gas. But I use gas like 1-2 times in months, to travel from Milwaukee to Chicago and back.
It's one of those things where people who don't drive electricity don't know why it is a big deal. Home charging, charger locations, efficiency, potential for renewable energy, potential for battery life span and recycling, and lack of noise make electric cars seem like a guaranteed win for me. I love my EVs from Tesla and Nissan. I hope Aptera does well too, because they may create a whole other movement for types of cars that exist and how long-lasting and good for the environment long term they can be.
Saving $11,000 in gas sounds great, but the average person drives 1/2 what you do, so only $5,500 over 5 years, $1,100 a year is not even $100/month.
Additionally:
1) I pay way less than $3.00/gallon and more than double your electricity rates, so now that $100/month savings is almost gone!
2) Plus, the Tesla costs more, depreciates more and is a lot more to insure; I doubt I'd save anything......
A lot depends on where you live and what gas car you compare it to. Hybrids get any where from 46 to 52 mpg. Where I live in Northern California gas is currently at about $5.30 per gallon with over $1.00 of that taxes and fees that some day EVs will need tp pay. My cost to charge my Tesla is 27.8 cents per mile off peak EV rate. Can be up to 59 cents from 4 pm to 9 pm. If you have a Prius your cost would be about 11 cents per mile. If you back out te taxes and fees the cost drops to about 8 cents per mile. A model 3 uses .26 kwh per mile. So at 27.8 cents per mile the cost is about 7.2 cents per mile. PG&E has been aproved a 13% increase starting next year. Not sure what impact on the off peak rate. However, since I purchased my Model S in 2014 the cost per kwh has gone from 13 cents to 27.8 cents per kwh. By the way a Camry hybrid can also get over 50 mpg depending on options.
Great video. I have similar experience with two Model 3s. Thanks
My utility allowed a credit of $450 for my home charger. My last supercharger rate was $.21 last month. I have the same year and color except dual motors.
Hi great video which shows the world why we drive EVs you in the US and us here in the UK well done and thank you.
Les
FYI "phantom drain" happens whether or not your car is unplugged.
It all depends on the state. Some places charge less than 32¢. If you pay 50$ for gas you’ll probably end up paying 32$ on Tesla charge.
Andy. Regarding your 2018 Model 3 Long Range. In your opinion, would you recommend a used 2018 Model 3 Long Range RWD?
Your electricity is almost free. Where I live, Bay Area, California, PG&E charges $0.40 off peak and $0.43 peak hrs. So if you live in Bay Area, and charge your Tesla for $0.40/kWh, then 37,310 x 0.40 = $14,924 and that's the reason why I didn't buy the Tesla model 3. Electricity price is crazy in California. Also, superchargers price here is ranging depending on time, the cheapest is in the early morning lol. Hybrid makes more sense to me personally. 136k miles / 50 mpg (for Camry Hybrid) * $4/gallon gas = $10,880. And Camry is leather interior, bigger than model 3 and cost $40k, requires no wall charge and reliable. BUT for buying EV in CA you will get $7,500 from the state.
Thanks for the video. How many sets of tires have you gone through in 5 years? I have read EVs with their increased torque and weigh are hard on tires relative to an equivalent size ICE vehicle. We just bought our first EV, a Model Y-LR. Our Tesla buying experience was really bad (terrible customer service, dripping with “Teslas Sell Themselves” attitude ), but the car seems nice so far.
For your $.08/kW cost are you including all the costs of electricity that get added to your bill? Distribution, fees, etc? My basic electric costs are also about .08/kW, but when you add the additional costs the utilities add, it's more like .13-.15/kW.....
Hi Andy. Does your state charge a higher car registration fee for EVs to make up for the lost gas tax? Most states that do this are very “heavy” on the fee (like the equivalent of you driving a very inefficient gas car)
Just bought a new Model 3 LFP! Love it for the same reasons you discussed! Your Tesla was dirty in part of the video!!
What is the smog costs on a Tesla for 10 years? $0.00 Boom!
Plan to purchasing December
As yesterday model y duel motor $3000 discount
I hope more discount December before Christmas .
Thank you for sharing information!😊
I've always struggled to understand the comparison between charging your vehicle every day versus filling up at gas stations. For me, pulling into a gas station, especially in places like NJ where there's no self-pump, takes about 3 minutes of my time, typically lasting me a whole week.
Charging your car every day at home seems like a hassle to me. Sure, it's convenient, but I prefer the simplicity of parking, getting out, and being done. Even with my phone, I mostly charge it in the car because constantly plugging it in at home feels like a chore.
If you love the idea of owning a Tesla or any other electric car, that's great. Don't let anyone discourage you from what you enjoy. But when it comes to comparing charging an electric car to filling up with gas, there's simply no contest, especially for road trips where time is of the essence.
Currently, my electricity bill is almost $300 every month, and I find gas to be cheaper for heating and cooking with my gas furnace. Some of my friends own Teslas and they have chargers at home, yet they still find themselves heading to supercharge centers and waiting for 30 to 45 minutes to charge their cars. It makes me wonder if home charging isn't as efficient as we think.
If I were to pay for a Tesla or and EV that allows me to take long road trips - and we take several 3000+ mile trips each year, the cost over an ICE like a Honda Accord, if invested would pay for all of our gas usage for the year as well as hotels on our road trips.
How are your evrange tires holding up
If you live in California with the initial cost of ownership savings it is incredibly amazing but if you live in Ontario Canada things are not as good if you're old used 2018 or 19 model 3 after taxes will cost you at least 38,000 Canadian for the long range the rwd.
The price of electricity per KWh varies greatly from state/county/city, including all the taxes and fees. for the las t few months, i calculated the average cost of KWh in my city (Glendale, CA 91205), it came to 27-30 cents per KWh. the gasoline price is around $6.00.
You should see if your utility has time of use. Often the off peak costs are much lower and you can set Tasks to only charge off peak.
electricity is about the same for me, gas is $2.95 a gallon at the moment. yeah you can get lower rates at home if you change to an ev plan, but you pay a higher customer fee. but if we compare apples to apples DCFC is anywhere from .35 to .65 cents a k/w vs less than 3 dollars a gallon for gas, do the math ev's are still over priced in genneral
Cool video. Ive always been curious about all around savings or extra costs regarding an electric vehicle. Ive heard insurance costs more for a Tesla than most gas cars. What about tires and rotations or other normal upkeep costs.
I bought my Y in April and insurance was about the same as my 16 year old Acura, our daughter got her Y in September and her insurance is similar to the Honda van she replaced. Shop around and you can get a good deal, insurance companies will screw you if you let them
@@rodf9000 Thank you for sharing. My decision to going electric seems to be sooner than later. Cheers
My Model Y insurance was the same as my prior BMW. Maintenance costs so far have been zero.
We have 2 EVs, a Chevy Bolt and a Tesla Model Y. The insurance cost on both vehicles is no more than the insurance on the ICE cars that they replaced. Tire wear and cost is a valid concern, but comparable to any other car that requires premium tires. Other than that, there is no maintenance cost.
No doubt on the gas savings. 8 cent per kilowatt hour is very cheap though. Will vary a lot for other areas.
I get why you used a Camry trd for performance comparison and it is a similar upfront cost. Depreciation has to be factored in though. Would guess that 5 year old Camry will easily sell for more than your 5 year old model outside of battery warranty.
Owning an EV isn’t just about saving money. Less pollution and dependency on fossil fuel.
I own both. EV as a daily driver and a gas car for trips where charging would be difficult (desert trips and camping trips)
And the pollution to mine the lithium isn't pollution.
My electricity is .32 cents per kw in california. Is it still worth it without solar?
Replacing one battery out of warranty will wipe out all your savings in one swoop…
Still a little biased on the gas savings. Why did we pick the worst MPG Camry possible? This is a gas savings comparison, not a 0-60 comparison. Let's do the hybrid Camry at 52mpg combined. So that $15,000 in fuel is halved. Also, that is the BEST off peak KW pricing I've seen in a while that many that are watching will not be able to duplicate. There is also other factors such as increasing insurance, tire replacements, EV road taxes, and depreciation to consider. Overall, there seems to be a major convenience factor for day to day use of an EV. But lets factor in what we can when considering cost of ownership.
Ill be scared of the battery catching on fire and burning my house down while im sleeping
def no savings when you have to rebuy the battery. but the convenience is way worth it.
Nobody has to "rebuy" the high-voltage battery unless you are in an accident. The battery packs DO NOT wear out as fast as you seem to think they do. I don't believe you watched this video.
Would you recommend a person with a apartment with only using super charging or standard outlets to buy one? I currently have an ice car but would love a ev. Thanks!
I don't know what others would say, but I think just supper charging any EV car all the time would not be good in the long run.,and this is coming from someone that loves to drive an EV !! I've started with a 2014 Nissan Leaf, then a 2020 Chevy Bolt and as of two weeks ago a 2023 Tesla model Y !!!!! But everyone is different and everyone has different needs ,, I'm lucky enough I can charge at the house .
@@vincentodonnell6641 nice! I think I’m going to wait till the ev public chargers start popping up more and faster charging. But it’s so temping!
Twice in my life I have been victim of credit/debit card fraud in gas stations. My next car will be a tesla.
I think your 3 dollars a gallon is really low 4 dollars is more realistic which makes your case even better.
Don’t forget about the cost you would’ve incurred for oil changes and brakes during that same period of time. Ouch.
Ev's go through tires faster as they are heavier and beat up the roads more ... I can do oil changes on my car and prefer to do my own maintenance . theres not a thing you can fix on your care assuming you even have car repair skills ... Your at the mercy of the updates and dealers for your work.. and parts.. etc.. You are really just borrowing that electric car.. you dont really own it. it owns you.. the gov owns you through electricity etc. Unless you have your own nuclear plant or hydro electric damn you are owned by the supply and cost of electricity all made possible by the beautiful, most wonderful substance called fossil fuel. start being thankful for fossil fuel and your journey to discover can begin there.
@@storytimewithunclekumaran5004 While you're right about EV's going through tires faster, IF you drive it like you stole it (which admittedly is fun to do in an EV thanks to that instant torque), I think you should lay off the tinfoil conspiracy theories.
Don't forget to look at the other hidden costs of fossil fuels if you're going to do that wells-to-wheels argument, such as the extra cost to taxpayers to station and deploy the US military overseas in regional hotspots to keep oil flowing. I don't see OPEC or Big Oil footing that bill.
Not to mention the billions in subsidies that Big Oil gets, while lamenting about how renewable energy gets anything at all.
There's also the hidden health costs that again, fossil fuel industries aren't paying for from using that same "dirty coal" powering EV's also runs oil refineries, to local pollution from vehicles as they emit exhaust around wherever they're being driven, causing health problems for many people. Carbon monoxide is a very dangerous thing if you run a gas car inside an enclosed garage, and many people have died from that. No one has died from trying to keep warm in an EV in an enclosed garage.
Oh, and you can generate your own electricity if you have solar panels. If you have a battery backup system, you can also store that excess when the Sun is out, and then use it at night to be even more energy independent.
Those batteries can also be recycled when they reach their end of life usefulness in an EV or energy storage for a building.
Yes, oil still has a lot of uses. But we should probably stop using so much of it in a gas engine where once it's burned up, you can't reclaim it.
@@storytimewithunclekumaran5004 Yet you watched an entire video related to EVs, read through the comments, and then WROTE a comment. Kinda seems like EVs own YOU.
@@evwonder1889 E.V.'s OWE me !! FOSSIL FUEL cares for me.
You should include the delivery cost of your electric in the calculation. My rate is less than $0.05 per kW but the delivery charge is about the same. It cost me a whopping $7 in electric last month on my 2023 Model 3 RWD to drive around 1,000 miles.
Pocket change.
Great video Andy! Electric for life for me. I'm nEVer going back to gas!
It’s interesting you compared you gas savings to an all gas vehicle instead of a hybrid vehicle like the Toyota Prius which can get 50+ mpg! Had you done so the savings would be about the same if not cheaper.
I am team hybrid. Also the peak charge thing is only available if you pay over 250 $ in upstate NY. So you should calculate at 17 cents per KwH. Also no one talks about the hike in insurance cost between a hybrid and tesla. It is at least 50$ more per month. Finally now after 120k miles though your battery retention is 95%, if it ever fails, you will end up spending 15k from your pocket. Though i want to be a fanboy of tesla, the bitter truth is this.
Energy cost comparisons like this tell only part of the story, the smaller part. For starters total ownership cost is much more complex than fuel cost. For most people car buying is primarily about the monthly payments, then utility, then styling/performance, reputation, then fuel cost. These days the lowest price M3 is getting close to the comparable Camry. However most of what you may save in energy costs is consumed by much higher insurance and tire costs. So, it’s getting close to a wash. That leaves styling and performance. M3 performance is amazing so it finally comes down to whether or not someone wants to be seen in a Tesla.
Insurance IS NOT "much higher". Insuring a Tesla is quite comparable to any other make. I have both EV and ICE so I know this to be certain.
@@donaldstinnett5630 Bunk. I just paid my insurance bill. 2023 Model Y collision insurance premium almost 3x of my 2023 F150 that cost more to purchase. Tesla insurance isn’t available in my state. I hear it’s cheaper but service is horrible from what I read if you need to make a claim. It’s common sense, minor fender benders can cost well above $10k to fix.
To me, common sense tells you the EV is more practical, convenient and less expensive even without calculations. Wife has had her 22 Model Y for 2 years and has 30,170 miles on it I have had my 22 Ford Lightning. for 1.5 years with 22,731 miles. Both battery packs are holding up just fine. Obviously we drive quite a bit. We do have solar at home which is even better. It will have paid for itself in about 6 more years. I will say tires on the Tesla do wear out faster I assume due to the vehicle weight.Getting ready to put my second set on it. Truck tires seem to be holding up better. I paid $230 per vehicle for lifetime tire rotation at Firestone. Do not EVer plan to go back to gas. No brainer! :)
How many batteries have you been replaced?
I think you wanted to ask that of Andy Slye, but I can reply as well. The answer would be "none."
I'm both Team Electric and Team gas. Electric for local commuting, Gas for cross country towing an RV.
I drive around 5,000 miles a year now because I work from home. I'm getting a tesla soon :D
Also think you did not mention the savings in car services that come with electric cars
26 mpg for a camry? Mine does 34, same gen as the one pictured.
What model is the fastest camry ur talking about? The trd? That's not a fair comparison.
trd (pretty unfortunate name 🤣) is the logical comparison: it's the fastest version, which is what should be compared with a TESLA - which is faster.
@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck hmm yea makes sense, all the camrys I see on the road are trds. Ppl only buy camrys for speed. The se and le variants are not worth comparing since no one buys those... mpg never comes to mind when buying cars lol just speed
@@DarthLlamasV1It's more of a fair comparison by comparing similar trim levels. Obviously if you compare a base Camry with a Performance Model 3, there's going to be a much bigger price difference. But there's also a huge difference in performance as well.
If anything he should've compared it to a luxury car if you're going to use a comparable gas car in terms of vehicle performance, like a Audi A4 or BMW 3 series.
Of course, if you're using premium gas, then the fuel costs are going to be vastly higher compared to electricity in most places. And if you have solar panels, that cuts the cost down even further, especially if they're paid off.
Just bought a Tesla Y performance in Midnight Silver Metallic with the white & black interior. After my $7500 comes off my taxable income I’ll be driving this amazing vehicle for $52 k which I think is a great deal.
I think you should compare a similar hybrid model on your gas price too, also need to factor in the cost of the car. Usually EVs are more expensive to buy than ICE or Hybrid so that's a factor also. Great video tho and some fun information
Based on my cost of electricity, my Model Y costs the same as a car that gets around 200 mpg. But with average US electricity price it would be about 130 mpg, so about half the price for fuel or better than the best hybrids.
i agree, pro ev's are cray cray, its still cheaper to burn gasoline than electricity, $2.95 a gallon vs .26 cents a kw or .65 a kw at a DCFC or level 2, do the math when you compare hybrid to ev. hybrid is the way to go.. price of vehicle, super charging time 15 to 30 minutes for upto 80% vs 5 minutes for 15 gallons upto 100%, are there perks and benefits to have an ev vs ice or hybrd yes there are, but they are NOT a ONE to ONE replacement at this moment in time
@@kevinmiller4590 - Home charging (level-1 or level-2) is not $.26 in most cases. The video listed 8 cents. We pay 13 cents where we live.
actually, it is . have you actually looked at your eclectic bill ?? do you use a level 2? look at the pricing ? .25 cent /kw and .35 cent kw downtown at the public parking and the musuem, i have seen other cities charge .65 cent a kw, national grid will do .07 cents for the electric, but you still have to pay the delivery charges with is .12 cent kw, so if you add the 2 together you get ?? .19 cent kw, normal pricing is ...14 cent kw plus .12 cetn for kw = .26 cent kw hour...
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thats the problem , you are cherry picking prices, there is the price of electricity and the price to deliver the electricity, GO READ YOUR ELECTRCI BILL
I have a hybrid V8 (I get almost 500miles/tank), and a V12 (I get almost 400miles/tank). love the performance of this cars, and the comfort.
The overlords want everything EV in the coming future, so I am forced to switch. I want something fast and cheap, and Tesla fits the bill.
My electric bill is $600/month. My rate is 24¢ off peak, and .63¢ on peak. According to the web, Tesla uses 82kw for fast ones.
I am still asking around how much their bill went up. Some say, “it’s only $15/charge,” other say, “it raised $1,200 more per month on my bill,” other just got rid of their EVs cars, because the difference between a 4cyl hybrid and an EV were minimal.
Anyone willing to share some thoughts.
My wife and I are looking to get a Tesla. How long does it take to charge away from home. We’ll be in an apartment
Your $13500 for replacing your battery, especially when you compare your vehicle to a Camry hybrid, which would lower the Camry cost of ownership by $5-6k over 10 years, is starting to not look as rosy. Camry is looking better and better and I actually like the Teslas.
When people start getting into the weeds about EV efficiency losses do they not realize that only ~20% of the energy in gas actually gets to the wheels? Roughly 80% or more of the energy in gas is lost to heat/friction and that’s under ideal conditions.
So glad you made this vid. I am SO tired of all the vitriol from the electric haters out there, most of it based on falsehoods and misinformation. My 2022 Model 3 LR dual motor is THE best vehicle I will probably ever own, and my appreciation for it never stops growing. The gas savings isn't the main reason I bought the car, but it certainly is one of the finer points of ownership, and laughing at the sad people in the gas station lines never gets old!
How about repair costs over the past five years?
Tires, windshield wipers and car washes. There's no maintenance and they have a Loooong warranty.
I’ve set a goal for myself to pay off my gas car in one years time. I still owe 15 K on it. And then spend the next two years saving up to buy a model Y. so seeing a video like this is reassuring that I’m making a good choice to buckle down and just earn the money.
Make sure you do your own math for your area. His personal base case is near perfect for an EV. You need to look at your electric rates, how much tires costs on an EV, any additional road taxes for EVs in your state.
@@ocman11 I’ve already looked up the price of charging from home it’s $.25 during peak hours. I haven’t figured out what it is during off-peak hours. as for tires and everything else I’ve got another roughly 3 years before I buy it so things can change from now till then
You would better drive a Chevy spark for the last 10 years and you would have saved at least 60k
Get a Tesla, buy solar, and charge at home! I don’t miss oil changes and filling up the wifes car when she hands it to me empty! No smog checks, maintenace, bad fuel problems,etc..
Now this is the fuel part of this debate. Now, add the savings on no oil changes and other maintenance costs...
Totally agree. I have been driving a Tesla model 3 LR since 2018. Home charging and $$ savings is great . I will never buy a gas car again.
you've been driving what? since when? you sure now?
The Model 3 started very limited production in 2017. It wasn't until 2018 that they became more widely available.
O crap 💩. Meant to say 2018😂
Might be a good savings from my 9mpg truck while paying $5/gal
Is your electricity at home really only $0.08 per kwh including delivery fees? I ask because up here in the northeast US my electric rate is $0.14 per kwh but with delivery fees really costs $0.32 per kwh. Tesla SC'ers up here all seem to be between $0.40 - $0.42 per kwh. Seems strange to me that places with high electricity costs are also the same places that are pushing heavily toward EV adoption. At $0.32 per kwh, if I assume 3.5 miles per khw, it is the equivalent cost of driving a car that gets 35 mpg of gas (gas by me is currently $3.25 per gallon).
I'm not arguing against EV's, I have a Model Y and my wife drives an Ioniq 5. We have solar panels and a Tesla powerwall that offset a fair amount of the electricity costs. I love driving both of the cars, and most days I can charge at home. I drive more than the average person, work mileage being between 2k-3k miles per month on top of any personal miles I drive.
I’m all for ev’s but they will not work for everyone in Canada. I’m in Alberta and it hits -30c for weeks. The charging network in Canada is pretty terrible, unless you stay on main hwys you cannot drive anywhere rural as there’s zero charging networks. The cold -30 will reduce range by 30% so unless you have a long range Tesla even driving on the main hwys you won’t have enough range to get to the next supercharger. I’ve also heard from Tesla owners that on level 2 charger in -25 the car will lose power if charging in the cold. So you need a heated garage to make it work and not drive anywhere outside of the cities. Places like Vancouver it would be great but cold climate with a terrible charging infrastructure it’s not feasible. Yet our Trudeau government is forcing us to go electric. How do people that live in apartment building with no charging available in -30 temps able to use an ev car?
Also the cheapest Tesla in Canada costs $54,000 for base model 3. Not including tax.
Andy, you have very low electricity rates. I think the average across USA is about 50% higher. But, even at higher utility rates, savings is substantial.
Add to gas saving, much lower maintenance expense. Mercedes ice vehicles demand two service visits per year where the minor one costs $300 and major one is over $1000.
Why did you pick Mercedes as a comp? How about the Camry $50-75 oil changes every 7.5k miles. Not much else but inspecting parts until 100k
@@ocman11 I chose MB because since 1980 we’ve only driven MB and one Lexus. Camry must have other service appointments to check sensors, brakes, emissions control, exhaust, and transmission. Due to regen, Tesla brakes last for over 100K miles.
@@johnpoldo8817 sure, things get inspected, but EV people typically overestimate their maintenance savings. Many new vehicles, especially hybrids like the Camry have their first major service (transmission fluid, coolant, brake flush) at 100k. Conversely, tires on these teslas seem to go about 20~25k before replacements vs a typical passenger car at 50~60k. I’d say maintenance costs are a wash.
@@ocman11 I'm doing much better on maintenance with my EVs. Our 2017 Tesla model S after 3.5 yrs of ownership cost us about $100 total for tire rotations and balancings. It had 32,000 miles at turn-in to leasing company so tire replacement was their responsibility. So far, my 2021 model S has had zero maintenance. If not owning an EV, we would have a Mercedes, BMW, or Porsche and their maintenance cost is several thousand $$$ over 3 years.
Agree, EVs eat up tires more quickly than ICE, but it's well worth it to get outstanding acceleration, 300 miles range for under $8 charging at home, and lots of high tech features not available in ICE.
I think the happy bubble is going to burst....
Team electric ! Proud Volco XC40 recharge owner !
Then there's a bunch of oil changes you didn't have to bother with. That's a lot of money and time.
all the way ,with you !!!!All those not driving a Model 3 are fools!
Your numbers are so tiny and cute vs California. Jealous
I'm all for harvesting free electrons from the sky using the savings but there is arguable no free lunch. I like the fact that I'm supporting the local utility lineman and jobs versus some foreign unstable regime that hates me.
Andy, I think you mean that EV owners can “wake up every morning with 3/4 of a tank“ because it’s not recommended to fill the tank to 100% every day. They are perpetually driving around with far less than the stated max range.
Yes, but who cares about that? You’re just going to plug in as needed at home.
you lose at both ends for range .. you will never run it down to zero, range anxiety .. and youll never have the battery full and it will just get worse every day you own it not to mention if you live in Canada etc expect another dip in range.. I.C.E. the top tech in human history currently at the peak of its development.. lets just throw that in the garbage cause muh climate change ????
Unless you have an LFP battery
The S & X have 18650 batteries. Charge to 80%, better at 50%. Y & 3 have 2170 batteries, okay to 100%, might also be better 50-80%? Always better to charge at level 2 if possilble. I charge 220 volts @ 6. Amps for longevity. My 14/50 plug goes to 32 amp for quicker charges when needed. At thse recommendations Battery should last a very long time! There is a video explaining battery chemistry and charging advice on youtube.
Andy nice and great recap! However, in the great scheme of things none of these savings matter more than today's insane price cuts, for anyone that bought a Tesla in 2022 and prior they essentially did it for mother earth :)
I bought a 2018 Model 3 and in September a 2023 Model 3 ... neither of them so I could hug a tree.
I’ve saved $2,665 compared to gas so far this year
Team electric 💯% My dream is to get a Power Wall and charge off the sun ☀️
I purchased a 2023 Tesla Model Y Long Range vehicle a few weeks ago, which is advertised as having a 330-mile range per charge.
This advertised battery range is FALSE MARKETING; I will explain why.
You cannot allow the car's battery to dip below 20% or it will destroy the battery cells.
This means you must charge it from 20% and ⬆️. The bottom 20% of the battery is useless. To note, this applies to all the EV vehicles, not just Tesla.
Likewise, you cannot charge the battery over 80% or, again, you will damage/destroy/degrade your battery cells.
That top 20% from 80% to 100% is also useless.
Thus, you can only realistically use 60% of battery's capacity to avoid damaging the car. Again, 40% (the bottom 20% and the top 20%) is not useable battery life.
To recap for my Tesla Model Y:
100% charge ➡️ 330 miles. This is what Tesla advertises, which sounds great and makes you want to buy it.
The actual usable battery capacity is 60%, which equates to about 198 miles max. And that's if you don't use anything else in the car. Once you use heat/AC, the radio, the wipers, etc. that range dips down even lower. Not so great anymore
I payed 49K for a car that I was told had a range of 330 miles, but it’s only realistically 198 miles. This is totally misleading. To make matters worse, it takes over 25 minutes to charge that 60% even if you are using the Tesla Superchargers and preconditioning the batteries prior to charging. If the batteries are not preconditioned, it takes even longer -- up to 45 minutes. All this time for only 60%. I can't imagine how long a full charge (the actual 100% if we could use it all) would take -- definitely over an hour.
I drive full-time for Uber and Lyft, so I've observed the charging patterns of this car and the factors that impact the speed of battery usage. The batteries drain much faster than I expected.
If the car truly had a 330-mile range on a single charge, I could finish my full shift without having to recharge at all. Now, because the range is much lower, I must charge before my shift, at least once or twice during my shift, and again before driving home to ensure I don't dip below 20%. I'm losing at least two hours daily to keep this car charged. It is not what I signed up for based on the statistics and data provided by Tesla.
With regards to battery-usage speed, your worst enemy is the highway driving. You will see the batteries dipping down very quickly (especially if you use heat or AC). As to the ride experience, the Tesla looks futuristic but rides like horse and buggy. You will feel every bump, pothole, etc. The seats are very stiff (many of my riders have commented to this effect as well). I thought Tesla would be good option for rideshare driving since it would save me money on gas; however, what I save on gas is lost when I must sit for an hour charging without being able to take customers and earn money. In my opinion, the Tesla is better suited for running errands, driving short distances, etc., but not for rideshare driving or for longer trips -- it's just too unpredictable and inconvenient.
There are some things about this car that I do like: the panoramic roof is great; the shape of the car is great. Also, this car accelerates very quickly. It has serious torque when you push on the pedal. On the Standard setting, I smacked my head back against the headrest due to how quickly the car shot forward. Tomorrow, I’m switching back to Comfort mode as it accelerates slower than the Standard.
Lucky for me, my car was built at the Austin, TX factory and not the one in Fremont, CA. The TX factory is said to make better-quality cars.
In sum, for what you're getting with this car, the price should be 37K (not the 49K I paid) due to the issues I described above with the much lower than advertised battery range.
Unless you live in a country when you have to worry about electricity prices, and there are so many bureaucracy and useless laws that literally only benefit the political class and scare you away of even having a single electric panel on your roof! Also, recently there was a law making ice car tax ridiculous and pretty much forcing people into buying EVs that was about to pass.
You know what happened?
The fed up working class woke up, people literally blocked highways and cities.
You want to have an ev? Great! Just don't force it into everyone else's throats.
Insurance is quit higher for EVs.
That is simply NOT TRUE.
You cannot live with an EV and rely on a normal outlet. That is utterly ridiculous. Had a Tesla, would never buy an electric car again. Those cars are such a hassle.
Yes, you need solar, and a 220 outlet.
Why did you compare it to an inefficient gas car? Get a prius prime instead. You get a smaller battery that is less harmful to the environment, cheaper to replace, and is large enough for day to day operation. Then you can actually use gas to get around 50mpg and never have to wait to charge on long trips. You get a car that isnt giving money to a company that is as anti consumer as apple and can actually get it fixed at a normal mechanics shop.
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It’s pretty wild to see real world savings like that. I have a plug in hybrid and wish we had more PHEV options. It’s the best of both worlds, and removes the range anxiety and makes road trips more enjoyable without having to stop and charge for 30-45 minutes.
Seriously ? What is range anxiety ? Is it an ICE thing ? With my EV, I've never had it
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Save money on gas and waste it on battery it's not free money
Yes, but a Tesla is so cool! Solar makes this happen, Superchargers are so expensive and a pain!