Tesla Model Y RWD vs Long Range charging
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You should try to get an Y with BYD battery
Also the 4860 would be interesting, but those are only offered in the US currently.
Got a MiG Y with BYD. Charge rate is 170kW at the beginning. Plugging in at 10%, 20%,30% or even 56%, it starts with 170kW ! Seems like you dont have to go low SoC to get full speed. It throttles after some time to 92kW, but plugging in at high SoC getting full speed is very good.
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Did another SuC session today. Plugged in at 72%. Again >170kW. At 85% 112kW, then it reduced linear to 51kW at 94%. The BYD always takes 170kW when plugged in at any SoC ! Battery was 32°C at start, not pre heated.
170kW at >70%! It means you don't need to plan charging as much. Just turn up at any charger that's convenient.
@@me1td0wn366 yeah, plug in at any SOC without preheating (in summer) and recharge with high power. Did that today again, better than the LR NCM batteries. 95kW at 79% today, is great. Will do 1200km tomorrow to France and back. The Y SR BYD ist so far the best Tesla I had and there is no penalty on long trips compared to a LR.
@@t.d.5804 that's incredible.. would be amazing if you could do a video comparing a regular LFP with the BYD LFP
You realy need to get an RWD with BYD Battery ❤❤
When I ordered the RWD for €50k, the LR was still €66k starting price. Two weeks after I took delivery, the prices dropped to €47k and €53k respectively, making the choice a bit closer. However, the RWD is plenty good enough, also for long distances. Great value!
Wonder which video will put you over 300k. Congrats!
28 minutes 10-80% not bad. Fine for me for a car that is mainly charged at home and only does long trips occasionally. 10m - 46% (35% added); 20m - 67% (57% added); 30m - 82% (72% added).
Intresting! Thank you!
Very useful as considering Model Y and need to decide between AWD and RWD!
Thanks Bjorn, i like charging sessions
I still think the LFP is a very good pack. It is smaller, but you can daily use 100% if you want to...the NCA/NMC packs usually get charged to 90% daily. So in real life use, the size difference is way less than 20kWh. More like 10kWh or 50-65 km of range.
Only on a very long trip will you spend a little more time at the chargers with the smaller pack.
If rumours are true...Tesla could start using an LFP based pack with some manganese in it. If that is true, it only needs to be around 70kWh 65 usable) to compete with a 82kWh pack.
It's hard to stay on top of all the battery magic Tesla is putting in their cars. It used to be NCA only with some form factor differences, some pack design changes and some fairy dust. Nowadays, you have packs with Panasonic cells (in different form factors), LG cells, BYD cells, CATL cells, Tesla cells....and there's probably some Samsung in there as well.
Structural packs, non structural packs, and all kinds of different chemistries and production methods. It must be difficult for Tesla to keep in control of all those different platforms, keeping the user experience roughly the same.
you can use 100% anyway no matter the battery. I've been doing that for years and even my brother with his dual motor Y. The universe did not explode and he gets to use 100% of the car that he paid for.
Thanks Bjørn, . Best regards Martin
Bjorn, I just noticed you are at 2-NINE-NINE thousand followers! We need a count down. Two-nein-nein-nein-nein-neeeeeein
It all depends on your driving needs. My RWD MY with LFP is more than enough for me as I rarely go long distance and when I do, it is for pleasure with the family so 60-70km more range or 5mins less charging time does not make a difference. I would each time choose to save EUR 10k and get the RWD
i got a RWD, my brother got a dual motor Y and man the difference is TINY. Side by side there's nearly no charging speed increase, we tested them in identical situations and he is charging under 5% faster than me and his range is not 110km more but in reality more like 50km. BUT he uses 20% more electricity in any situation. The major difference is power, the dual motor is insanely powerful.
guessing the main difference is that early speed is the bigger battery allowing 1c or similar to be naturally higher. LR battery is about 25% bigger so if you shift the LR graph along to start at 25% its pretty similar to the RWD.
When You Get y rwd with blade You should do a charging comparison vs ariya 63 and ato 3. all in similar price range
Like you say very useful info for people considering buying 👌
Thanks for the video. How many kilometers did Tesla 3 from 2022 drive? Is that charging from 2023 or charging when it was new? I don't know how it's possible, but I saw with my own eyes how he charged the Model Y in May 2023 and at 90% it still received over 40kW and at 98% over 30kW
An idea for a video that can get a lot of views: Comparison of RWD and LR grip on an icy/snowy hill.
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Cause of you Bjorn I bought model 3 standard range and I love this car:). But I don't know how much should I charge it every day? On Tesla app there is information to charge it to 100% every week. Is it healthy for battery? I'm charging more often than one per week.
Hey Bjorn can we revisit RWD AWD in slippery conditions?
I wonder how many gets the power overwhelming reference?
Collecting a 2023RWD LFP tomorrow. Happy to know it’s curve stacks up against the LR. I don’t need the LR for day to day so I’ll have the €7000 in my account thanks.
The BYD Blade Model Y will smash all of these. 173 kWh at 67%. Could be Model Y 1000 km challenge leader
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Is tesla buying byd batteries? That's major safety risks. BYD cars are burning left and right in china. It's huge problem. Brand new cars catching fire constantly.
The CATL LFP also shifts its charging curve depending on the initial SoC
Charging starts at 9:09 (looking at the 2023 RWD clock) at roughly the same levels.
At 10:00, after 51 minutes, the RWD reaches 100% at 57.3 kWh. The LR started 2,1 kWh higher than the RWD, so let's see... at 9:40 it reached that 59.4 kWh. That's 20 minutes faster than the RWD to gain the same range! This may matter to people.
It's statistics like these that I can't see in the "Kw over SoC" graphics. Do you know if there are any "Range (or kWh) gained over time" graphs?
@@maurieezzz You are missing my point. I'm not bashing Bjorn's work here. I'm merely pointing out that I'm missing some usefull information from the "charge curve" graphs I always see. It's great to compare technical merits, but the end user may draw wrong conlusions. I even mentioned that I would like "Range over Time", which addresses your remark that the LR is indeed around 5% more thirsty than the RWD. To counter that, I also added the 2,1 kWh at the "slow" side of the curve. Had they started out equally empty, the 2,1 kWh difference would be "missing" on the fast side.
In the end the LR gains 100% of the max capacity of the RWD in 30-ish minutes instead of 50-ish minutes. This may matter to some. Or am I still wrong?
@@maurieezzz Yes! ;-)
Great communication skills. And you seem to agree too?
@@maurieezzz I know about 'riding the curve'. I've been following Bjørn for years and we travelled across his beautiful country two times in our Classic Ioniq 28 kWh. One time even all the way to Nordkapp and back. Now I bought a Model Y Long Range and of course I'm seeking confirmation I bought the right one. ;-)
Of course on an RWD you would not want to charge to 100%, like you wouldn't do on any other EV. Unless you're taking a long break for lunch or so. So I can do the same exercise for a quick fill up to 80%, which is reached in the video at 3:10, or 09:38 in real time. So it took the RWD 29 minutes to reach 80% from 10% or 5.8 kWh. In that timespan it gained 40.4 kWh.
If the LR needs 5% more for the same range, it will need to add 42,4 kWh. It started at 7.8 so where did it reach 50.2 kWh? That's at 2:27 in the video or 09:30 in real time. So in 21 minutes the LR charged the same amount of energy as the RWD in 29 minutes. Or should I say: in the same 29 minutes it charged 9.1 kWh more.
Do we really need that? Coming from 28 kWh I'd say: NO. The RWD is plenty. It's fast enought. There's plenty of range and charging is only a whee bit slower. But is the LR more fun? Yes! I like the power, the AWD and the bigger battery, so I'm happy! ;-)
That response feels like chat gpt...
Tesla is not using NMC for 3/Y anymore, replaced by NMA. A bit weaker capacity retention, but cheaper.
LFP for the win. Love that you can beat it to death and keep going. Long life too.
If I have a Model Y RWD here in the UK - manufactured in June 2023 - does anybody know which battery it will have? Thanks! 😊
Did you notice teslas own 250kw+ station loads faster M3 sr+ 55kwh lfp than other station. I drive m3 55 lfp and use dc loading after motorway drive. Just noticed the loading speed difference, its just other station starts and stays about 120-135kw (to 10- 50%) and teslas own starts 170 kw and drops slowly to 125kw ( to 10-50%)
Thanks, GOAT!
Can you pick up the battery technology when you buy the Y RWD?
The Tesla stand salesman told me 2 days ago that even they have no clue what battery I'll be getting.
Can you have the VIN immediately when placing an order?
For ecological reasons, I'd like to get one with LFP as I would also would want mine to come from Giga Berlim.
Can I reasonably assure that when buying an Y RWD in Portugal?
If your VIN starts with LRW is a China made Model Y and will have the CATL LFP battery.
To add to the answer above:When you order from their inventory you can check the source check if it has option BT01 for Blade or BTF1 for CATL.
Or once you have obtained COC check which variant you have Y7CR.
@@Scrap-pressa thousand thanks.🙏
@@catalincucu686 thank you! 🙏
RWD like a Ninjaaaa
Thanks for info.Tesla cars made in China?
The two on the left yes. The LR could be MIC or MIG depending on how old it is.
Today there also MY RWD from Germany but with a different battery (BYD) but he didn’t test that one yet.
Disappointed in this model. I have 150 consumption in the city and I am able to drive only 200km with a full charge. I did all the tests that I could done… same result. I was expecting this in the winter not on 30 degrees weather
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Performance! 😂
I feel like Y RWD would be good enough but i think it's a bit too slow... I drive a model 3 SR+ with the performance rear motor wich is much faster. And handles like a dream. Really like the space though....
The too slow is nothing in comparison to it being much worse in the corners, very bouncy
LR for the extra power and 4x4
If you don't care about power, then SR is better because you can daily charge it to 100%, while you should not do that with LR.
Daily charging any battery to 100% is not ideal.
The reason why you need to charge the LFP battery to 100% about once per week is for the BMS.
If you do that on a daily basis, you are likely not getting the lifespan advantage over NMC (that is charged to 90%).
It is a trade off.
Always depends on the price. In Germany in Q4/2022 the MY LR costs 3K Euro more than the MY SR. More Power, fast charging, more range, 4WD,... In january price for MY SR decreased about 9K euro and LR 2K so the difference is 10K. To me it's not worth the difference. Others may think different.
In daily usage you can charge the LFP in the SR to 100%. If you charge the NMC in the LR up to 80% in daily usage, the range is almost the same and charging on AC is the same speed. Due to less consumption of the SR a slight pro for the SR.
@The IPC-TWIzZT Exactly. Any lithium battery degrades much faster when charged to 100%. LFP can withstand more cycles, but still it's not healthy to charge to 100%. Google how many ppl lost 10% of LFP battery just after 1y because of charging to 100% daily.
@@Likr666 actually if you drive them the same way, LR will likely consume the same kwh. Because when you drive at reasonable acceleration the LR uses only the rear motor, just like SR. Only when you demand more power the front induction motor kicks in
But yes, your other arguments are correct
That is misleading information. Please don't spread this. It is not "it can be". It is like "it must be charged once a week to 100% for BMS to know where we are at SoC because the change in voltage for battery charger status is very small in this battery.
This is like porn for Tesla fanboys - oh yah - great comparison, also good to document these stats
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