I'm over 50 years old, have read a lot of 18th century fiction, and never heard this story before. As a mother of daughters, I can see its usefulness. It's a story that can be taught to young children with the delayed gratification lesson. As they got older, the story can be retooled with the newer interpretation for added layering. I agree, though - the mother in the story is really unhelpful!!
That is so interesting to hear, I also found out about it fairly recently. And I agree with you, like many good stories (fairy tales are the best example of this, I think!), this is one which could be retold and reinterpreted differently depending on the context. But yes, the mother remains unhelpful anyway haha! Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment ♥
Question- when did people know about human reproduction the way that we teach it to our kids today? I heard that people once believed women were gardens, soil, fields for planting and the man provided the seed. It's part of why we use fertile, infertile/barren, fruit of the womb, etc. to talk about a woman's reproduction. When did people discover the woman's contribution to the new child (egg) and understand the cell division, zygote, etc? Perhaps the discovery of it is tied to DNA/genetics research and ultrasound technology in the modern world?
That's a great question, thank you. Karl von Baer first saw an egg/ovum through the microscope in the 1820s, and the zygote and the following cell division were observed roughly 50 years later. DNA and its structure were understood much later, thanks to people like Rosalind Franklin, and the ultrasound technology for pregnancy started to develop in the 1950s, too. However, these dates don't mean there was an immediate shift in how the body was understood, nor in how patients were treated or children taught in schools. Ultrasound wasn't widely used for pregnancy until the 1980s, I think. It took a while for this knowledge and technologies to spread. Plus, this wasn't a linear process. For instance, while the horticultural metaphors for reproduction go way back, with the idea of menstruation as the flowers preceeding the fruit (the baby), for centuries many people believed that both men and women had to release seed for conception to occur, and so the female role wasn't passive as it later came to be seen. Medical writers weren't always in agreement. So the way the body was understood truly depends on time and place. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! 😊
Sem dúvida, nessa história tão curta, nada é por acaso, cada elemento tem algo a acrescentar. A ligação com a menstruação e o desconforto da mãe ficam bem evidentes ao ter que tratar do assunto com uma menina tão nova e tão curiosa! Os sapatos torturantes ocorrem em outras histórias, seja para castigar bruxas ou irmãs malvadas, enquanto a heroína sai de cena para se divertir com o príncipe. Há bastante simbolismo sexual nos calçados até hoje, como se percebe na forma com que a publicidade os vende. Mas outra coisa me chamou a atenção, como menina criada nos anos 60: pais e professores tinham pavor de que as crianças mudassem de ideia, pois isso era visto como falta de seriedade e mesmo de caráter. Uma vez que você tinha tido uma oportunidade de "escolha", entre muitas aspas, deveria levar sua opção até o fim da vida, não importando as consequências e sofrimentos que pudessem decorrer disso. É a atitude dos pais da pobre Rosalind, para castigá-la pela "frivolidade" de ecperimentar, pensar, concluir e desejar mudar. Um pensamento rígido, que marcou gerações.
É verdade; e bem lembrado sobre o simbolismo de sapato em outras histórias. Também concordo que 'indecisão' era visto como um defeito de caráter, e não como um sinal de abertura de espírito e curiosidade, o que me parece mais adequado e justo, especialmente com crianças! ♥
😃 Happy to watch your new video, Dr. Julia! What a fascinating topic, I didn't know the tale! Incidentally, I read in Janet and Stewart Farrar's Bible Of The Witches that women are at the top of their power during menstruation, maybe that's an interesting idea around menstruation? In any case, history of women, body and medicine are so interesting and all of us we need to know more about it! Thank you for spreading knowledge! 😃
Thank you so much for your comment and support! Yes, I think that in many belief systems, including wicca, menstruation plays a key role in how female power is harnessed. Menstruation is a very interesting topic that I'm excited to explore more! I'm so glad you enjoyed the video, thank you for watching 😊
Colour coordination of the wardrobe and story was a plus!
Hahaha thank you! ♥
I'm over 50 years old, have read a lot of 18th century fiction, and never heard this story before. As a mother of daughters, I can see its usefulness. It's a story that can be taught to young children with the delayed gratification lesson. As they got older, the story can be retooled with the newer interpretation for added layering. I agree, though - the mother in the story is really unhelpful!!
That is so interesting to hear, I also found out about it fairly recently. And I agree with you, like many good stories (fairy tales are the best example of this, I think!), this is one which could be retold and reinterpreted differently depending on the context. But yes, the mother remains unhelpful anyway haha! Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment ♥
Question- when did people know about human reproduction the way that we teach it to our kids today? I heard that people once believed women were gardens, soil, fields for planting and the man provided the seed. It's part of why we use fertile, infertile/barren, fruit of the womb, etc. to talk about a woman's reproduction. When did people discover the woman's contribution to the new child (egg) and understand the cell division, zygote, etc? Perhaps the discovery of it is tied to DNA/genetics research and ultrasound technology in the modern world?
That's a great question, thank you. Karl von Baer first saw an egg/ovum through the microscope in the 1820s, and the zygote and the following cell division were observed roughly 50 years later. DNA and its structure were understood much later, thanks to people like Rosalind Franklin, and the ultrasound technology for pregnancy started to develop in the 1950s, too. However, these dates don't mean there was an immediate shift in how the body was understood, nor in how patients were treated or children taught in schools. Ultrasound wasn't widely used for pregnancy until the 1980s, I think. It took a while for this knowledge and technologies to spread. Plus, this wasn't a linear process. For instance, while the horticultural metaphors for reproduction go way back, with the idea of menstruation as the flowers preceeding the fruit (the baby), for centuries many people believed that both men and women had to release seed for conception to occur, and so the female role wasn't passive as it later came to be seen. Medical writers weren't always in agreement. So the way the body was understood truly depends on time and place. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! 😊
Sem dúvida, nessa história tão curta, nada é por acaso, cada elemento tem algo a acrescentar. A ligação com a menstruação e o desconforto da mãe ficam bem evidentes ao ter que tratar do assunto com uma menina tão nova e tão curiosa! Os sapatos torturantes ocorrem em outras histórias, seja para castigar bruxas ou irmãs malvadas, enquanto a heroína sai de cena para se divertir com o príncipe. Há bastante simbolismo sexual nos calçados até hoje, como se percebe na forma com que a publicidade os vende. Mas outra coisa me chamou a atenção, como menina criada nos anos 60: pais e professores tinham pavor de que as crianças mudassem de ideia, pois isso era visto como falta de seriedade e mesmo de caráter. Uma vez que você tinha tido uma oportunidade de "escolha", entre muitas aspas, deveria levar sua opção até o fim da vida, não importando as consequências e sofrimentos que pudessem decorrer disso. É a atitude dos pais da pobre Rosalind, para castigá-la pela "frivolidade" de ecperimentar, pensar, concluir e desejar mudar. Um pensamento rígido, que marcou gerações.
É verdade; e bem lembrado sobre o simbolismo de sapato em outras histórias. Também concordo que 'indecisão' era visto como um defeito de caráter, e não como um sinal de abertura de espírito e curiosidade, o que me parece mais adequado e justo, especialmente com crianças! ♥
My mom forgot to tell me about it probably because she never existed to tell me that part at least its gone
Oh dear, I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you're doing ok.
😃 Happy to watch your new video, Dr. Julia! What a fascinating topic, I didn't know the tale! Incidentally, I read in Janet and Stewart Farrar's Bible Of The Witches that women are at the top of their power during menstruation, maybe that's an interesting idea around menstruation? In any case, history of women, body and medicine are so interesting and all of us we need to know more about it! Thank you for spreading knowledge! 😃
Thank you so much for your comment and support! Yes, I think that in many belief systems, including wicca, menstruation plays a key role in how female power is harnessed. Menstruation is a very interesting topic that I'm excited to explore more! I'm so glad you enjoyed the video, thank you for watching 😊