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Pep v Klopp.
Pep v Klopp.
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Statistically, Pep has more trophies, but Jürgen has managed to promote fcking MAINZ and beat propably the best Bayern team ever to the Bundesliga with Dortmund and he basically rebuilt Liverpool without spending tons. That makes him the more attractive manager to me
He beat bayern? Wtf
@@marcelo_jgd Yeah during the early 2010's Bayern weren't quite so much the dominant force that we've made them out to be these days. Klopp won Dortmund back-back Bundesliga's, one of which included a double where his team smashed Bayern 5-2 in the DFB Pokal. Truly amazing stuff, Klopp literally made Dortmund one of Europe's hottest prospects.
The pep vs klopp debate is so annoying to me when u consider just how much they’ve achieved with their teams.
Pretty sure 807 million is a ton of money mate
FSG and big data is what controls Liverpools spending. It’s called Moneyball and they made a film about it.
Wouldn’t swap the past 9 years with Klopp for anyone. Fuck the trophies. Social media and this era of trolling might trick some people into thinking certain things, that’s fine. Before Klopp took over, no fan thought we’d have another league title and a UCL in our collection by 2021. He’s a genius, and up there with the greats. Real ones know
Cute! Nice little story. It doesn't mean he's as good as pep. Next question.
@@limofootballDid he say he was better than Pep? No.
Maybe learn to read first and then come back to comment, thank you!
@@limofootballCute, major projection.
He also is.
@@LiftandCoa only liverpool fans think he's as good as pep
Nobody buys that sh*t. You’d sell your soul for another ucl and pl. You already did sell your soul to your foreign owners for one ucl and one pl. Just like city without the money your foreign owner hands you every year you’d have won nothing. But at least city fans aren’t hypocrites. They know what they did and don’t try to virtue signal.
I’d like to see Pep in a position like Klopp was when he took over Liverpool, Pep has always had an open check book
Would like to see that however he's earned the right to be given what you wants at same time
Mate, Klopp spent around 600M and pep in city spent around 700M
What you even talking about? Pep "spent" on a lot of prospect players and ended up selling them for higher even don't talk without actually searching the whole subject
The money term is just a buzz you all throw around anything pep related
@@Ananas-280City had a much better squad when Pep joined than when Klopp joined Liverpool. The other 2 teams he has managed are Barcelona and Bayern Munich. Enough has been said
@@nathanb286Barcelona was 3rd at the end of the season with players who didn't want to work hard and would party, while city was an old squad when he joined
The same nonsense excuse, "Open Check book"
Klopp has made football more emotional
maybe for pool fans yeah
Feels like a father figure to many Liverpool fans I know haha
when klopp played kelleher in the league cup final in 21/22, he was asked why he played kelleher and not Alisson given it was the final.
He said “there has to be room for emotion in football!”
Kelleher played every minute of the league cup campaign and ultimately scored the winning penalty.
For that to happen at the highest level shows so much faith and trust, and really shows the measure of the man and the ethos of the team
he built.
I don’t know how much longer we’ll be seeing that attitude in football tbh as it becomes such a feeding ground for sportswashing etc etc
Yeah, heartbreak from coming up short so often
Not even close to true
I don't care who's best honestly. I'm just glad I was able to see how Klopp revived Liverpool. Statistics be damned, he's a hero to us.
I do believe Pep is overall the better manager, but if someone were to ask me "Who do you want to manage your club" my vote would be Klopp every single time.
The bond he has with every single one of the clubs he's managed is something truly special. I'm a complete neutral towards the Premier league clubs but I will miss watching Klopp's Liverpool team. It's unfortunate that the fairytale ending will remain a fairytale, but I genuinely hope Klopp is able to find good health soon and return to managing in football someday in the future (preferably not one of my team's rivals though lmao)
Football is better with him in it from my perspective.
I really do appreciate that answer mate!
I would believe if Klopp was incharge of Real Madrid and played man city 7/10 real would win it under Klopp.
@@PlumpsHubrisI don’t think so
Personally for me yeah having a good bond with the manager is nice and a good-feeling etc. pep does actually have a good bond with city teh fans and players just watch the new documentary on teh treble season that came out on Netflix not as much as Klopp. Though I want teh manager that will give me more trophies so Pep
100% ball knowledge
both are legendary
100%
@@Vizeh there is a debate who is better but both had different circumstances when they came in, the style they played and situations they are leaving in
who gives a shit? Pep clears.
@@limofootball100%
nobody asked be respectful klopp never had unlimited money like city
Liverpool fan here. What Klopp did to the club is phenomenal considering the position it was in when he took over.
He's clearly an excellent manager.
Pep is in another league.
We can talk about resources all day, but you still have to put it together and make it work.
Consistency has been the difference.
For Liverpool, every good season is followed by a mediocre one.
City are up there competing every season.
It has to be Pep for me.
The only real way we can answer the question is if they swapped clubs for 3 years.
haha of course, fake fan you are. Promoting manz, reaching the champions league final and winning the league with dortmund agaisnt prime bayern and winning the champions league and premier league with liverpool always with a third of money Pep spent and as well Club Power, and talent, there is no comparison. Bayern won the champions league and pep went there. City won the premier league and Pep came there. The blind people are the ones that actually choose to not see. Achieving the same 3x harder, not even close. Without Prime Barca, Xavi and Iniesta as welll as wtihout billions of euros/pounds, there is NO "ANOTHER LEAGUE". His tactic works wonderfully with such resources. Without them, Pep wins shit. Even in the first season of mourinho and pep at premier league together, Mourinho won 2 trophies, and despite City having a champion team and great investiments, they won nothing
While Pep is probably a better tactician Klopp's ability to dig a team out of the dirt gives him the edge imo cause we've never seen Pep do that
Do you think if Pep was given a team to rebuild completely he'd do just as well?
@@VizehAbsolutely not
@@VizehWith ease.
@@luissilvacosta2093 you are dumb then
@@Vizeh I don't think he'd do as good of a job as Klopp does but I'd imagine he would do fairly well
yeah sure, stats wise it's not close and yet Klopp's career achievements are far more impressive to me
promoting Mainz to the Bundesliga, establishing mid-table Dortmund as Germany's undisputed nr.2 to this day and bringing a ruined Liverpool back to a true premier league giant
then you have Pep who's undoubtably a genius tactician revolutionising the modern game but never even remotely coaching anything less than cream of the crop teams whilst being the manager with the highest net transfer spend in the history of the sport
a manager who wins the sextuple in his 1st job will not coach midtable teams. As simple as that. It's like expecting Max Verstappen to race in Formula 1 with Williams or something. He has laready proven himself, he will not do that.
Thank you for your comment mate, nice to see your views on this!
@@nikolas8203so his stint at Bayern was an immense failure by that thinking no? Inheriting a team that won the sextuple the season prior only to not be able to build upon that success or squad and even taking steps backwards is very telling, especially with that much time Pep had with Bayern since they never had to legitimately worry about opposition domestically and only focused on Europe for 3 years
@@nikolas8203 you seem to be missing my point here
It doesn't matter why Pep has always coached ridiculously great teams it's simply about the fact that he's always done just that and therefore I find his achievements less impressive than what Jürgen Klopp has achieved in truly challenging circumstances where he's left the respective clubs in far better shape than when he arrived and he's done that every single time
It's obviously a tad pointless to debate this because we'll likely never see Pep pick up a similarly challenging job in his career and you're right: if he's good enough, why should he?
@@nikolas8203He robbed chelsea in that sextuple. Let's mention that. Also he can go to elite teams, with money, in need of a rebuild. Lets not look that far, look at Barca now. He just refuses because he wont have Messi there.
There's a reason everybody roots for Lightning McQueen and not the robotic machine in Jackson Storm in Cars 3. Klopp embodies passion, emotion and chaos, things that make football the beautiful sport it is. Pep's obsession with efficiency would surely fetch you more results but it does feel like a game of chess that caters to only records and statistics. No human connection in that
That’s why lightning the goat
I dare you to ask a City fan how much they love Pep. You are a rival, of course you would hate him. He literally caused your best manager ever to only win 1 PL in 9 years, of course you would hate him. He literally cause your best manager ever to lose the PL twice by 1 point, of course you would hate him. Ask City fans how much they love him because in the end, that is the only thing that matter. What rivals says about him didnt matter shit because the trophies and record spoke for themselves
Have you seen his Barcelona?
Ofcourse. Yes, you know more about what Pep is than his players and his peers. Forget the countless footage out there that clearly demonstrates how animated and passionate he is and the literal accounts of players who've played under him recalling how passionate and soul touching his dressing room talks were. Or his Barca team which captivated football fans around the world and were described as the epitome of passion and the art of football. Let's forget the fact that he's a literal Catalan Spaniard who's extremely passionate and obsessed with the art of football. No, according to you he's a soulless tactical robot. Yeah alright, fantastic take mate👍
@@tylermartin5376 Remember, it means more to them tho
Pep has transformed football. The way he finds new tactics and positions are unbelievable. Man’s a psychopath tbh. I think when he eventually leaves managerial roles people will realise the influence he’s had on the game. No one comes close
He doesnt find them tho. At best rediscovers them.
And most of the time he fails doing that, like 8 years in a row in the CL.
Using an Inverted-Wing-Central-Fallbackline-Regista-Defender against Burnemouth is not impressive.
Sean Dyche is the GOAT manager.
End of dicussion
*tracksuit dyche is
Pep arrived to a very "well spent on" side already PL contenders every season & even winners while Klopp arrived to a hodgepodge of a side that wasn't even able to secure a CL spot
Klopp arrived at a side that just competed for the title under Rodgers???
@@Ballotubiethank bro people always love glazing Liverpool
City finished 4th on goal difference with a squad that was the oldest in the league before Pep. Just as Klopp needed a full rebuild so did Pep.
@@Ballotubie Because the star players played out of their minds for most of the season? That wasn't a typical season, Liverpool were absolutely not contenders back then. And after that season it was right back to mediocrity. Klopp turned them from Europa League level, occasionally making a push for the title, into perennial contenders.
@@BallotubieThey literally just played good that year. No other year were they close to winning the league until Klopp got there. City won the league twice between 2012-2015. Pep had a veteran team coming and it’s not even debatable.
Whether you like him or you don’t like him, wherever Pep goes, football follows
Pep went to big teams and survived. Not many managers can handle the pressure of big teams.
And he got there and completely innovated each team, he's literally the greatest
Pep ends up in a padded cell if he had to do what Klopps done over the last 9 years
His press conferences comes across like that anyway haha
Klopp had 600 million pounds to compete with pep's city. Pep had a bunch of academy kids to destroy mourinho's galacticos.
If klopp had peps job in barcelona he would've ran out energy after 1 week.
@@muns8928 so nearly half of what Peps spent in his time at City? And still coming out with 115 charges
Those Academy kids are Messi, Iniesta,Xavi,etc
Like wtf who are they@@muns8928
@@JKnight23he's also came out with 7 more prems and two more ucls than Flopp
The pep slander is crazy. He’s a genius. Sure Klopp is emotional, and that’s great and fun. Pep has done things no manager has, he influences the game at every level globally single-handedly.
Reminds me of the Messi vs CR7 argument, you can pick one over the other without disrespecting the other. For me it will always be Klopp. To me it’s simple. Pep builds teams and wins. Klopp transforms clubs and wins. Klopp promoted Mainz, built their academy and got fans to support that club like never before. Klopp took over Dortmund who was on the brink of bankruptcy and has made them who they are still. And he has transformed LFC. I’m not going to bring trophies, money, charges into it bc like I said I can pick Klopp without disrespecting Pep. But if my club had to sign 1 manager for 5 years and we could choose anyone. It’s Klopp 100%. I don’t want to just win, I want to feel the emotions, I want someone who comes in and understands the club, city, people, fans, etc. I’ll take 5 years of Klopp with some trophies than 5 years of Pep and being dominate. But that’s just me. A person who loves football through the thick and thin. Not just when my team is winning….
Absolute nonsense. Pep is the goat. Get off the emotional rollercoaster. Klopp is barely better than Mourinho.
@@limofootball the fucking irony…. Whatever you say child.
take a damn guess how many PL City won before Pep and how many after him?
For me casuals and people who hate Liverpool say pep
so Pep doesn't evoke emotions. Ok got it
I get the love for klopp but pep has literally had such a massive impact on the game he'll be talked about for centuries. The man has changed the game, evolved it whatever you wanna call it, its hard to argue against it.
Pep is the goat... Its not even a comparison
It’s actually crazy they’re even trying to attempt to compare
Even as a German for me i have to go for pep, if you know anything about klopps playing style you know its not sustainable for long term success, his tactics demand high energy which is why at every club klopp has managed the first 2-3 seasons are getting the players accustomed to his playing style then 2-3 seasons of success and then after that and then usually in the 6-7th season you see a big dip in form, anyone who watched klopp teams before he was at Liverpool knew this, it happened at mainz and it happened at Dortmund and now it has happened at Liverpool, wheras pep tactics are the opposite where they conserve energy and stamina in games by keeping possession and tiring out their opponents
That's true but Peps Style requires highly technically gifted players who are able to execute his vision. He couldnt pull off the same with any mid table team.
It is safe to say that Guardiola is one of the most influential managers of all time and definitely the most influential since the beginning of this century. People always talk about the big bugdets he had, yes, but he is also a visionaire; his teams always play fluid, attacking football that is joy to watch (when implemented succesfully); he improves his players on individual level; and his overall consistency since 2008 is phenomenal.
On the other hand Klopp is also an attacking-minded manager, althought more direct, but so far he has proven himself in teams where the expectation were pretty much low - Mainz were in Bundesliga 2; Borussia Dortmund were at their lowest point in their history back in 2008 when he took charge; Liverpool were nowhere near the top European sides in 2016 and nobody expected from them to compete with the very best.
Overall, I think Klopp has proven himself to be unmatched in building teams from scratch with relatively small buggets, while Guardiola is the one who had to meet incredibly high expectations over and over again since his first season with Barcelona back in 08-09. He is the only manager out there who gets teared apart from his critics every time he does not win the UCL. On who's more influential, that would be Guardiola.
Something I realized recently is if you look at how much city have spent vs Liverpool since the season pep arrived, its come down to about £23M per season. IMO that's not really enough of a difference to say one had too much more in resources over the other. I think pep did inherit a better squad, but he still had to do lots of work to get the best out of those players. there were a lot of ageing players in key positions (Yaya Toure, Kolarov, Clichy, Zabaleta, Sagna) and some players that were a product of poor recruitment and not up to the standards of being competitive in the league (Claudio Bravo, Mangala, Jesus Navas, Samir Nasri, Wilfreid Bony, Iheanacho). Pep also did things like make Fabian Delph a world-class left back for a season. And none of this is to diminish the work Klopp did at Liverpool, I just think its often overlooked what pep inherited due to how quickly city found success after Pep's first season
Completely agree. Many top managers fail at big clubs.
This notion that being in a bigger club is easier to win and challenge the league year after year is bullshit.
Pep is the anomaly
City was literally fighting for the league at that point.
Where was Liverpool.
@@LiftandCoa City was barely fourth when Pep took over. That is not exactly challenging the league
@@ammarbaagu They had finished 2nd in 2015, won the league in 2012 and 2014. Not remotely comparable to Liverpool where Rodgers had left a mess, fighting for 7th place. The City squad Pep had contained many players who would go on to win titles with him: de Bruyne, Aguero, Sterling, D. Silva.
@@LiftandCoa Liverpool almost bankrupt when Klopp come, and have bad squad. Can't compare them to City when Pep come. Also Pep always manage rich clubs in his whole career, meanwhile Klopp build clubs with less budget in his whole career. Can't compare them. But, if it's for my club I'll choose Klopp every day
Pep couldn't do what Klopp has done without budget advantage. Great manager still of course and will go down in history as the best.
Klopp has spent more mate, what are you on about. Acting like klopp went to manage Sheffield Wednesday
And what else have you seen in your crystal ball mate?
@@uselessaricompletely incorrect
Klopp has spent 1.058B from the 15/16 season onwards
Pep has spent 1.508,06B from the 16/17 season onwards so pretty much 450 million euros more with one season less in charge
These are derived from Transfermarkt btw so they’re definitely accurate but love your waffling on the subject too
Klop never bought players liverpool fan mindset.
@@JuliusBriggs do you know how much revenue city has generated through it's title winnings in the past decade compared to how much Liverpool has earned? People act like klopp took Coventry city to a champions league final. He took over a Liverpool that was top 5
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I love how fans act like Klopp had managed teams like Burnley or Wolves.. instead of one of the richest teams in the league.
Liverpool is Spurs with titles mate.. Liverpool will never go spend £500M on defense in one summer..
It’s all relative, not hard to understand that klopp took over a Europa league team and won everything…when does that happen?
@@KailamiMwiinga Google Klopps Spend since joining Liverpool. Heck.. check his spend for the last two seasons lmao
Klopp did manage Mainz and got them from the second tier to and got Liverpool their first league title in 30 years. Pep’s only been handed 2 of the greatest clubs in the world and still couldn’t win the champions league at Bayern. All of that money at man city to have numerous terrible eliminations in the champs league
@@Kyleterp1 he then got Mainz RELEGATED the season after and finished 7th with BVB in his last season
Before I watch, I agree its not close. Klopp is clear of Pep in every measure of a manager. Switch the resources around, Pep would struggle to even win a League Cup, let alone achieve what Klopp has.
if they switch sides, the trophies would be more even, 3 for Jurgen & 3 for Pep
@@neromah I very much doubt that, he needed almost 3x the resources and still just barely scraped by Klopp to many of those titles
Klopp has spent money too broke transfer records fs
@@sibahleziqubu4509 he spent nothing compared to pep and also had a much worse team when he came in
@@ismailchennani4466 Since 2016 Liverpool have spent £3.1 billion on players and wages and City have spent £3.5 billion. You don't seem to know what you're on about
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Pep has changed how football is played. He's adapted his teams so many times which forced other teams to adapt their style of play, no one has been more influential in my opinion in the last 2 decades, that includes Fergi.
Ultimately people involved in football like Gary Neville for example always says he cant understand how pep motivates the team to always be there in every stage challenging. That’s the hardest and almost all mangers have failed at that except maybe SAF. Consistency is remarkable
Pep has always been above Klopp even before moving to City. It's all yapping at this point from Liverpool's massive fanbase. Pep's Barcelona phase was bigger than Klopp's career.
My vote goes to Guardiola. There's always the idea that Klopp can rebuild any team from the ground up and while I completely agree with the statement, I feel Guardiola's management in terms of signing the right players and making any half-decent player be successful in a system is heavily undermined. For example: Cancelo, Akanji etc. So, while it's close, I think Guardiola wins.
That's absolutely fair mate!
100%... This MC roster is not as stacked like these Pep haters would have you believe. Why didn't Chlsea, Arsenal, MU, Liverpool not sign guys like Ake, Akanji, Dias, Gvardiol, Doku?
@@jimmywalker8354 idc about other clubs i just care about klopp's team bcz we're comparing both managers in this vid only , why didnt he sign all those guys you say ? umm how about that ake was for 45m , dias for 71m, gvardiol for 90m, akanji is the only sensible fee with 20m, and you forgot stones and walker and mendy who each became the most priced defenders when they came , or laporte for 65m , cancelo for 65m , and obviously we shouldnt forget the higher salaries at city that play a role as well to bring them in , all that to make that good of a defense whilst klopp had only one big fee of van djik for 84m in 9 years and had to work with what he got most of the time with free or almost free agents like arnold and robertson and matip and also havent had the best bench to rest them , and that's just talking of the defense that you mentionned , frankly this money comparisson is just abysmal and saying klopp spent something close to pep is very misleading to say the least.
It isn’t close. Pep is miles clear. Miles
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Pep couldn’t do what klopp did and klopp could have done what pep did. Both great but people just look at the trophy cabinets without the context
The arguments people use to criticise pep are genuinely childish and show how clueless the average football fan is- “he always has the best team” , “he needs to challenge himself like klopp” “I’d like to see him go to a small team and win the ucl” - Pep goes to the best teams because guess what, the best teams WANT HIM. He doesn’t have to prove himself to nobodies on the internet.
And people like you who choose to ignore having the best players, having the most money, having the best team and just saying he’s better than x,y,x is laughable. We all know Pep is an all time great. But Pep could never do what Klopp does, but Klopp could do what Pep has. It’s rather simple.no one is disrespecting him by pointing out facts. So you can stop sucking him off.
Harsh to call people nobodies for having a different football opinion mate
@@Vizeh On a relative scale - Pep has been praised by arguably the greatest footballer of all time, plenty of the greatest players, managers, coaches, the list goes on, and you don’t hear them saying pep needs to prove himself at a lower team - so why should he have to prove himself to the average Joe who hasn’t played or coached at any level? It’s a pointless criticism of him that he shouldn’t even have to answer to
The thing is its one thing to be a tactical genius and its another to be a good manager. Pep is a tactical genius and noone can take that away from him… but he is NOT a good manager, exactly because he couldnt manage a situation at a lower league team. Football management is a lot more than just picking the best tactic for your best XI and this is something pep would’nt be able to tell you about because he is purely a tactical mastermind rather than a good manager. A good manager knows how to work budgets, how to produce miracles. He’s a character on and off the pitch who has to deal with all aspects of controlling a team. While yes mo salah did have harsh words for klopp last match, you never hear a story like that ever go any further and most of the players have very overlapping personalities, something that pep just cant achieve through his purely tactical lense
@@rbkeyz2328 So Pep is not a good manager, what a reasonable and sensible take that is
Pep is the greatest of this generation and it’s not even a debate.
With all due respect, it's not even a comparison. Pep is way ahead. Yes respect to klopp for giving pep competition but pep is way better. Ik the usual argument football fans like: "but can pep do it at dortmund bla bla". If that's your argument then you should accept mourinho is better than klopp. He won champions league with porto.
I think klopp is the better manager simply because he knows how to rebuild any team, he knows how to work with what he's got, he knows how to get the best out of every single player not say pep isn't good at any of these things but I always felt like pep got everything handed to him (In terms of players) and that allowed him to win every competition and every title for example the Barcelona team, the bayern team, the man city team, all these players he had at these 3 teams were absolutely WORLD CLASS and future Ballon dor winners eg:Messi, whereas for klopp, he didn't have the type of players pep had but still managed to get the best out of them all.
It is fair to say that Pep also rebuilt the City team 2 times aswell in fairness?
@@Vizeh Both rebuild in different ways Klopp and Liverpool look for more smarter buys and I believe that's a higher risk but Pep is able to spend and grab whoever he wants.
Tbf I’m a Liverpool fan here so this is an extremely unbiased point I am making. Pep didn’t get the Barcelona team handed to him, Busquets and Pedro was still playing for the b team and he promoted him, Ronaldinho was the focal point of the team not Messi so he sold him to focus more on Messi, Pique was united 4th or 5th choice center back. Pep made that team what it is
@@flickfellas9424 Ronaldinho was already a bench player in 07/08. He only played around 22 games that year. He was leaving Guardiola or not. And he wanted to get rid of Etoo while he was arguably his best player in 08/09 along with Xavi and Messi
This is coming from a United fan but I have to say it is not really that easy to handle a dressing room full of stars and have a bench that could easily start for any top clubs in the world... It is crazy how Pep changed football everywhere he went. Everyone tries to play like him, I don't really like his style tho.
Both managers are great in their own ways... It can only be concluded by preference rather than stats or trophies.
Just like his peds issues while he was a player, 115 is also not helping him. 😂
I think that the margin is very close between the two greats
But I think if you give pep the best team in the world and the same team to any other manager
Pep would win
The fact that Pep won more trophies throughout his career per million spent i think shows he’s better then Klopp
Pep is ahead by miles.
We can keep crying about how, but the fact is he is ahead. And he has the accomplishments to back it up.
Still, as a Liverpool fan, my favourite is klopp.
Will always want a passion merchant because it really feels different if your manager will put their all into your club so its Klopp for me
A passion AND winning merchant is better. Hence it will always be Pep
Pep has the toughest job in the world, having the expectation of winning every year is far greater than any other expectation.
Ridiculous take. That’s like saying building a mansion with unlimited funds and resources is harder than building a tiny bungalow with a few sticks and stones. Which one would be harder?
it's obviously pep, he's just putting more into the job. he's more diligent, has a more fully realized vision, he's the better
Pep, easily for tactics, klopp for promoting. I would rather have neither, Eth all the way (Eth=depression)
Depression😂
Palmer>Klopp+Pep
😂
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Klopp has made Liverpool fans dream again .
I mean you can talk about oil money all you want, but every other City manager since 08 has failed to achieve a fraction of the success Pep has had. That has to count for something. As a Liverpool fan, Klopp's transformation is a major accomplishment, but you can't just shrug off 5 league titles in 6 years.
I think realistically, they’re not comparable, and both incredible coaches, as I don’t believe either of them could do what the other has with their given teams/ budgets etc
I'd like to think both will find a way to do a fantastic job in either scenario
"not compareable"
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@@LiftandCoa exactly. Pep MILES clear
Pep is definitely a better football manager, but it’s not all about that. It’s about the journey you have with your manager. You never really hear stories about pep and his players bonding, but you definitely do hear them about Liverpool. So if you want to just win trophies then Pep is definety better, but if you want the memories, then it’s Klopp.
Yeah as a city fan I would trade those trophies for a nice cuddle with Pep.
Just as you never see Messi’s gym work on social media
Yep. Memories of losing the title by one point is better than actually winning the title and breaking records. Crazy people
Comparing Klopp with Guardiola is like comparing Batman with Lex Luthor, one can achieve absolute dominance with nearly infinite backing and resources at his disposal, while the other has to achieve glory with what he has at hand.
Jurgen Klopp is the only reason of why the Premier League didn´t became a Richman´s version of the Bundesligue. And for that, he deserves alot of credit. With him gone, i guess Arteta and Arsenal would be the ones to fill that hole that Klopp will leave.
Klopp’s record against Pep, was the better coach for developing players and for doing more with less. Pep could never have the season Klopp did when Liverpool won the league or have built a team as ruthless. Klopp’s teams always had soul, whereas Pep’s was far too clinical and robotic. Klopp did more with less. You could count on one hand how many results would need to change and Klopp would have three European titles and three or four Premier League titles.
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Pep without a doubt. Greatest manager of the modern age and arguably the best ever. His teams simply don't have "off seasons" and if they do they still challenge for every trophy and play very attractive football. Klopp is elite. No doubt about it, but he's not nearly as tactically flexible. Relies more on passion, chaos and pulling yourself by the neck to get over the line. That doesn't always work as evidenced by this season.
His consistency is remarkable
Wy smoking? Pep is the one who is notoriously not flexible
His teams dnt got off seasons because if haaland has a avr season one other will pop up w a amazing season
That's a lie he has done the same system everywhere because he's had the resources and money to get the players he wants flexibility is being versatile in different circumstances he been in the same circumstances everywhere
@@JoseFranco9if he was not flexible, he'd probably not win all he has
Pep is clearly better and it is not just an opinion.
it`s a wrong opinion
@@Nairam10 no it's not. You realize how much he's won?
@@LauraGS564 Zidane won 3 UCL in 3 consecutive years. Is he a better coach?
Happy for your success bro. Your history of the PL video is A1
My only thing against Pep he hasn’t truly ever came into a bad team or a sticky situation ..
Klopp & Mourinho have both done it & succeeded ..
Klopp has that awesome aura that Pep just doesn't have
Which aura?
Aura doesn't mean too much surely hahaha
The aura that just tells you that he's simply a legend
Oh wow the guy who inherited the better team and spent more money accomplished more what a fire take man🔥🔥🙏🏽
I take trophies any given day pep any given day his style of football, I enjoy that
Fun fact: Pep has never won a title in his career WITHOUT breaking the financial fair play rules
Also, Pep's golden period with Barcelona was marred by controversy. You guys remember the scandalous game in 2009 against Chelsea?
@@ezraezra2928 Got to be braindead to bring that up. The CL decisions City have suffered against Monaco, Liverpool, and Spurs are far worse than what happened to Chelsea. Barca had many decisions go against them as well in that tie
@@ezraezra2928 Sir Alex never won anything at UTD then going by your logic. Refs favoured UTD was the most known thing.
@@ezraezra2928Sir Alex intimidating referees into adding more injury time whenever United needed it to win or draw games even when injury time wasn’t needed was such a common occurrence it became known as ‘Fergie Time’, but you don’t see anyone slandering him about it
This is totally false
Pep is a goat manger what he has achieved is incredible
Klopp is an army general who can win a battle when everything was against him and he can show his heroism and win the battle and capture the land. But he doesnt know how to govern the land he caputed.
One the other hand, pep knows how to conquer a battle then protect it for a long period of time with his excellent governing skills. He just knows how to rule.
The common people actually dont love it because it becomes monotonous sometimes. But the king love his governer.
Giving a rookie the role of coaching Messi and the greatest team side in history as your debut is unbelievable...and he's still yet to coach a team which lacks the squad or finances to dominate....not knocking him but a lot of coaches would've achieved the same results were they given those opportunities..
No, Quite the opposite, ALOT of coaches will fail with that team. There's pressure in Barcelona and the Spanish Media don't know Mercy. Achieving the sextuple in your debut season with most of your starting 11 from the academy is not something any coach will achieve.
Pep didn't just have a massive financial advantage over Klopp but he inherited a significantly better team as well
Man City did underperform in the 15/16 season but that team still had a spine that included Aguero, KDB, Silva, Fernandinho, Kompany and Sterling. Yes Man City was in need of a refresh at the time and Pep deserves credit for that but there's no denying that the foundations were already in place for a world class side
Liverpool on the other hand were in complete disarray at the time. The core of that Man City squad that won the league in 2014 and even in 2012 for some key players were still at the club when Pep arrived. The opposite can be said in Liverpools case when Klopp arrived. Suarez and Gerrard were our two best players from the 13/14 season and both were gone by the end of the 14/15 season. On top of that, Sterling went to Man City and Sturridge was badly decimated by injuries to the point where he was a shadow of the player he once was by the time Klopp became manager
That team wasn't awful but it was certainly far from great. Sure we had Coutinho, Henderson, Lallana, Milner, Can, etc in midfield but that's nothing compared to what City had at the time. Our defense consisted of Lovren, Sahko, Moreno, Clyne and Mignolet ffs. We had just signed Firmino in the summer but that was about it tbh. Henderson and Firmino were the only players there who went on to be regular starters in Klopps best team (2018-2020)
Klopp not only inherited a significantly weaker team than Pep but he had to rebuild it from scratch with less financial resources at his disposal. Sure he hardly had a "shoestring budget" and did spend quite a lot at times but some of his earlier signings were very cheap. Matip was signed on a free, Robertson cost £8 million, Trent came from the academy, Wijnaldum cost £23 mil, Mane and Salah combined only cost around £70 mil
You are ignoring the squads each manager inherited as well. Livepool were 8th with absolute donkeys.
And City's squad was quite literally the 3rd oldest in the entire PL that season. Both coaches needed new players to make a new team.
It has never been a debate .. Excuse FC fans will always act like Liverpool haven't spend $1billion since Klopp arrived as an excuse for failure 🤣🤣
The disrespect Pep gets is crazy. This IS Pep's era. Like it or not he's THE ONE. No other manager would win like Pep even with any crazy amount of money. Put Pep in pool squad and he'll win nothing? Well, put Kloop in City's squad and he'll not win the treble, threepeat, domestic treble, centurions and very close to fourpeat and moreover cannot revolutionise the way we play. Debate with your mum. Kloop is good but he's no Guardiola.
Pep is far clear in my opinion but jurgen had a better prime
Pep is just better at the moment because he is treble winner and the whole 4 titles in six seasons for me
he had more money, had a better team to start off with, Klopp on the other hand had to rebuild this Liverpool team
Pep better by every metric. Klopp is only better in losing
Pep is a better manager than Klopp because how many managers who have had acess to similar resources as Pep have been able to replicate his achievements?
Sir Alex is the main one you'd say
Definitely correct comment, look at Chelsea, United, PSG in past few years and those hideous amount of money spent for pretty much nothing, shows how its not simple at all to manage a massive budget teams correctly
@@VizehPep, Sir Alex & Don Carlo are the people who can manage great teams to be make them greatest but can't make an ordinary team great.
Heck even Del Bosque belongs to same category.
@@Vizehthat literally one of the greatest manager it not shocking
@@kothicamedarth2680you have to prove they can't first?
Mancity Spending: 1.5 billion
Liverpool Spending: 900 million
Almost 2 third more than liverpool spending
I think both Pep and Klopp are elite managers. As a neutral I like them both. Both Pep and klopp are tactical geniuses. Pep has been more successful in the Premier League, but I would argue Klopp's team performed better in UCL. Regarding Pep's dominance in PL, apart from the fact that he has a great 1st team, he wins the PL every year because his reserves are the far superior. That is the reason Man City outperforms everyone in the PL in the second half of the season, when other teams have more injury and fitness issues.
The Athletics cover this well. The reason Pep team does well is because of rotation. He doesnt have fixed 11 and would carefully manage the minutes of the players with some exception (Rodri because of how irreplaceable he is to the system). City also have a smaller squad than most but that smaller squad is also full of very flexible players which make it seems like City have a very deep squad
Klopp won ONE UCL in his career. Pep 3. Both have won 1 in England. Pep is CLEAR by EVERY single metric. Get over it
Tactical mastermind with billions vs the power of friendship 💀😭
Have you seen how City squad is one big family?
@@zetanistNah he is a liverpool fan he thinks everything is about them
Liverpool squad that is always fighting each other. You won’t see that at City
Depends on what you want, if you have a high starting position and the resources to make mistakes. If you need to entirely revitalise a club you'll want Klopp.
pep is the spoiled kid at school with a laptop and a private tutor
i don't understand how pep is better when he has ALWAYS had an advantage in every category, depth, budget, fraud charges... it's like if we started called an athlete on roids as the goat.
Like Jon Jones in the UFC?
@@gabriellouw9106exactly like JBJ
Tbf the only team Pep has taken over when they were already the best team was Bayern. Barca were third and Man City fourth in the seasons before Pep arrived.
so you're saying he doesnt deserve to run great clubs? He's earned any advantage he has bc he has proven he can make a well oiled machine(pun intended). Pep has revolutionized the game you can say passion this passion that but you all fail to look at the stark difference he's made with Citys fans alone and the whole culture of the club. Everyone here has a loser mentality which is why you all dislike Pep.
@@farissafaKlopp has 1 prem and 1 cl in 9 years, he’s not even better than Tucheliban 💀
You are right. Is not close. Klopp >>>> Pep. Pep had 115 charges, unlimited wealth in transfers and a dodgy dr. Doping his players. Klopp won the UCL earlier and beat him with Karius as a starter GK.
How did you feel after typing this rubbish
@@user-nr1dx4us4d Felt great actually.
"Klopp won the UCL earlier" 😂😂😂
@@zubairatif he's a clown because he didn't even win it with karius
@@zubairatif Why is that a dumb argument? He got the job done 4 years earlier
No doubt, Pep got the better of Klopp(if we ignore the money argument which is true for everyone else in the Premier League except United and Chelsea) every single time except that one season. Klopp’s reign will be considered unsuccessful for the lack of titles he won(or didn’t win) in a decade long stint for a club as big as Liverpool.
A more appropriate monetary comparison would be the wage bills because that directly reflects the value of player on the pitch
Pep is the better manager by far
Klopp is the better manager without a doubt.
Pep didn`t succeed at Bayern.
Pep only won ONE UCL in 8 years at City while having unlimited funds.
Pep`s managerial errors cost City at least 3 UCL.
Pep almost spend double of Klopp while at City.
Pep vs Klopp direct duels: Klopp won 12, Guardiola won 11 = slight advantage for Klopp
Give Klopp a top 3 already and all doubters will be silenced.
Stop with your hypotheticals the liverpool team of the past two years is proof that pep is clearly the better manager
@@torkechb04 the last 2 years??? a team that was hungover from playing every available game the season before and then a team of youngsters covering injured stars holding treble winners and the best arsenal team since the invincibles to a title race despite being expected to struggle for top 4
@@Jack-ik8tu the above post is disingenuous and straight up nonsense
@@Jack-ik8tu you see the difference in expectations between the two should pep is on for his 4th title in a row he and his squad have never lost the fire the only season they had a break was 19/20 in which they finished second
One UCL isnt bad at all given the complete dominance at a domestic level, if Pep failed at Bayern I dont want to know what you think is successful stop talking out your ass and moving goalposts. You say he cant with unlimited funds then complain about him actually using funds and winning make up your mind.
Pep is so big that tactically the whole league tries to adjust to catch up to him. Even though Klopp is also a tactical genius, there are inconsistencies in his results which places him as second best
Great to see after watching u for a lot of years that ur gaining traction u deserve it a lot not a too much repetetive things just good content appreciated bro.( u should do some kit vids again btw some leaked ones are out)
Let's leave the budget thing out of the picture. We all know Pep has basically had unlimited spending power through his City tenure. And if he thinks that's not true, I want to smoke the shit he's in.
I once heard from a Michael Jordan fan that winning is the only thing. Speaking from a not-just-a-game-at-the-end-of-the-day, yeah, sure. Results are everything. And they are in any sport to some extent. But, man. We deal with so much BS in real life that to assume that into what is still just a game? I'd be bothered if that were to be the case for something that started as a genuine passion when I was a child. I love Klopp because he's not that far from Pep tactics-wise. I love him because he can keep his teams competing and fighting at the highest level while also retaining that "just a game" vibe: the raw passion, the bond he forms with both fans and players, and a kick-ass playstyle. Pep, on the other hand, is 100% business: a system that has proven to be almost unbeatable, but an attitued of "you do it my way or leave" that's so office-like. Yeah, you'll probably have a better shot at silverware with Pep, but ask any Liverpool or Dortmund fan. They wouldn't have it any other way but the Klopp Way. 😊
Keep losing. That’s the Klopp way
Why is this even a question? Pep is the best manager of all time, by a country mile.
Pep wouldn’t win the league with Liverpool’s current team klopp would win the league with Man City’s it’s just a fact
Pep as a tactical mastermind, Klopp as a charismatic leader who can take 110% out of every player imo.
I find that net spend per trophy stat weird, I don’t see how any argument can be made off of it and I think it is somewhat irrelevant. I think klopp is better as he has built that Liverpool team from the ground up and turned a pretty average squad into title winners. Pep on the either hand inherited a team that had just won the premier league, with more money, which may have been used unfairly. Speaking as a man united fan
As a City fan, I think Klopp is the better manager . But pep is more successful
Pep is clear over Klopp. People let their love for Klopp cloud their judgement, they even say Klopp is better than Mourinho...
Well done video, it’s an apples to oranges comparison, they’ve done completely different things with different clubs. Pep claims Klopp as his biggest rival, their combined greatness and rivalry has changed the very landscape of football
Klopp for the same reason Ronaldinho is better than Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo, at their best, they made watching football exciting.
So not better then more exciting
@@iiiii4388 Imagine if you will a world where there is no excitement in football. Are you watching? Is anyone watching? No one watches Formula 1 for the safety car.
@@athosgomesfonseca stop. Fans watch football to see their team win. Not lose but be “exciting”. Insane amounts of delusion and copium
Pep Vs Klopp:
1. Net spending at City and Liverpool - 808M and 420M respectively.
2. FFP charges - 115 and None.
3. Teams managed - Barca (Created one of the greatest teams in history of football), Bayern (Already champions), Man City (Already champions, Also created one of the greatest teams in history of football with unlimited resources and won every trophies possible multiple times (except European trophies) ) and Mainz (Helped promote to first division for the first time in the history of the club in his third season), Dortmund ( Created the youngest squad to lift the league title twice in a row in his 3rd and 4th season after 9 years for the club) and Liverpool ( Created one of the greatest football teams in the history of football, won almost every trophy possible with limited resources, lost multiple trophies by small margins)
4. Head to Head - Pep - 11 and Klopp - 12.
5. Trophies won - Pep - 37 and Klopp - 13.
There might be many more things to compare these two legends, but I’d take Klopp any day of my life to manage any club. This is just my opinion, I might be wrong, but Klopp made me love football even more and he made me understand that football is pure passion and is much more than winning trophies.
Man, who considers klopp's Liverpool to be one of the greatest team in the history of football. They fall well short of it bro. The team couldn't defend even a single title. Fell off frequently after winning a title. In the 9 years of klopp, Liverpool finished below this shitty United 4 times man. And have had some horrible results against like Aston villa (7-2), Man City (5-0, 4-1). Couldn't even qualify for CL last season which was another fall off. Honestly, Liverpool never had 3 good seasons continuously and have been good for only like 4 seasons in thie entire 9 year spell.
They have been a good team, but nowhere near a historical team.
@@deepakpandey8240 If you don’t consider that Liverpool team as one of the greatest team ever then I don’t have anything to tell you. That team went to 3 UCL finals, had 90+ points in multiple seasons and lost twice by a single point. The fact that you brought in some handful of results tells us the fact that Liverpool is a rival team of yours. After Man City, Liverpool is the greatest team in the PL past 5 years. Talking about falling short of United 4 times out of 9 shows us Klopp’s level of managing that team which was a mid table team whereas ManU was a team of superstars who couldn’t do nothing. If you think that Klopp should have won everything in his first few years that’s just delusional expectation of yours given the team wasn’t that great. Klopp literally built that team which went to 3 UCL finals, whereas Pep with everything he had only won UCl once and got to the final just twice. You could just sit in your home and type some shit but don’t expect us football fans to not consider Klopp’s Liverpool team to be one of the greatest ever. The fact that they fell short of multiple trophies by a small margin is overshadowed by the fact of not winning those respective trophies. And one more thing you don’t have the right to say that team ain’t a legendary one but you could say that you don’t see that team to be legendary, which I can accept. Klopp took that mid table team to the UEL final in his first season. In his second season he took that 8th position team to 4th and qualified for UCL.He made a team from scratch and got to the UCL final against a super Madrid team which were looking for their third in a row in his third season. If not for Karius’ concussion/blunders and Salah being injured, that game could have had a different ending. Coming to 18/19 where he took the team to 97 points with only a single loss in the league and fucking won the UCL in his 4th season at the club. And in his 5th season he took the team to win the first premier league title after 30years with 18 points lead with super Man City. In his 6th season, Liverpool had a major crisis as VanDijk got injured and was out of season which led to the team being not able to perform at its full strength and still was 3rd. Coming to the 7th season again the team was 2nd with 92 points behind City and we all know the decisions went against that team that season, also fought till the end in UCL too. Coming to his 8th season at the club, a club legend attacker left, two attackers was almost season long out with injuries, was forced to bring in Newbies at the front with an aged midfield were Thiago was also out injured. This season was the worst in his Liverpool career. Coming to his 9th and final season, those who have watched this season know how many points ahead should Liverpool had been if not for the daylight corruption. The other teams are just lucky not to be Liverpool. Anyway, if you don’t consider Klopp’s Liverpool to be not a legendary team just say that but don’t ask me ‘who considers Klopp’s Liverpool to be one of the greatest team in the history of football’. If you don’t see them then I respect your opinion, so be it. Anyway the disrespect towards Klopp is unbelievable and unbearable by these keyboard warriors who watch football from Reels and TH-cam. If not for City’s unlimited resources, Pep mastermind, Corruptive VAR and many other things, Klopp’s Liverpool would have had 2 more PLs and UCLs each. Anyway Klopp’s Liverpool is the greatest non-winning team in the history of Football. I have no doubt about that.
@@vigneshsprasad7896 Let me tell you something very clearly bro. The teams that are mentioned in history doesn't need this much explanation. All this that you mentioned has been or nearly has been achieved by Juve and Athletico in the past decade. There are so many teams who can say what you are writing a book about. That's not how great teams are defined.
Liverpool needed more trophies and lesser downfalls, and practically none like last year's or after that PL title winning season. These are major dents on them.
And you can discount no matter how many small points but trying to ignore that they couldn't defend even a single title is just like turning a blind eye on flaws of your favourite.
There is no historical team in the history of game that has never defended it's titles.
You are confusing great achievement with historical team.
A great achievement is just a great achievement. Like porto winning CL. Leicester winning PL. But a historical team has not only great achievements but consistency too, for a long time at least 4-5 years, where they just dominated and kept on winning titles after titles. Liverpool didn't do that man.
@@deepakpandey8240Got it bro👍. For you Liverpool might not be a great team. I was clearly mentioning my opinion that’s it. So if you can’t understand that then I don’t know how to make u understand. I consider Liverpool to be one of the greatest squad in football. And I don’t think you can compare Liverpool to Juve and Atletico for gods sake. The difference is huge. Anyway you have the right to say your opinion but can’t say that nobody views that team as a great team. If you don’t view, just say that. But you were asking as if everyone consider Liverpool not a great team. Anyway I don’t care what you say. And the fact that you consider this team to every team not winning the trophy is pure BS. You can say your opinion, but can’t say that everyone thinks the same as you. If you think so, you are just wrong. That’s it.
@@vigneshsprasad7896 That's absolutely fine man. For Liverpool fans it may or may not be true. For others, well never seen anyone mentioning this team as one of the best in history so that's that. Anyways, don't say all this to City fan, they will say, your best ever team and still couldn't win the league against us. 😜
Klopp made Liverpool a force. Shame he couldn't win more than 1 league, but still won them everything he could.
On the topic of net spend, feel you’ve missed a massive point with respect to the two squads they inherited. Pep inherited aguero silva toure KDB Kompany, all absolute mega stars. Klopp took over with Liverpool in the bottom half and aside from Coutinho, nobody that would even make a challenge to get in the city team. The Liverpool defence was one of the worst in the league. Makes Klopps 250m net spend over 9 seasons even more insane
Pep is the Messi of managers the fact that everyone brings him up whenever they're debating over who's the better shows how much he changed football and before anyone says " Oh he's never worked with a weak squad like Mourinho or Klopp " Knowing how to use a strong squad requires knowledge about football Otherwise PSG once had Messi Neymar Mbappe up front but because there wasn't a manager to know how to manage them they did disastrous so never underestimate pep because " He always had good squads "
doesnt change the fact that he always had good squads once he coaches a weak side and succeds maybe then we'll have a different conversation but now he's been too priviliged in these comparissons
arsenal winning prem
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Nu uh
It would be interesting to see Pep manage with the resources of Liverpool. But I’m just as curious to see if Klopp could win (assuming city win title race) 6 in 7 Premier Leagues, UCL, 2 FA cups, 4 EFL cups, and a Treble…