Jacob Rees-Mogg clashes with activist over proposed changes to football badges due to slavery links
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- Jacob Rees-Mogg clashes with an activist over calls for Man United & Man City to change their badges due to supposed links to slavery, and debate whether Britain should pay reparations to its former colonies.
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If he's so angry with Britain, why does he choose to live here? I don't get it.
If I moved to Japan and hated it, I'd leave
I agree.
He's a parasite who is looking to get what he can out of us. Pure and simple.
@@laurenceBDontYaNo ww2 ones?
@@laurenceBDontYaNo I wasn't aware they'd compensated the family of men they tortured, starved and beheaded with a Samurai sword. What about the Myanmar villagers they tied to trees and used for bayonet practice? They took their names first?
@@laurenceBDontYaNo You are unwittingly making Mogg's point for him: Britain also paid reparations by waging a war against slavery, which cost a lot of money. Most people don't realize that the Royal Navy was still freeing slaves in the early decades of the 20th century!
Another con artist from the Caribbean
@@laurenceBDontYaNo Great word play. I'm really surprised a leftists mug could do such things 👋👋👋 well dome sir
Typical racist, no wonder there’s so much anger !
Actually he's British and doing very well for himself making big fat fees appearing on TV . Just another grifter making a living out of bashing the UK. Seems to be the latest fakery. ☹️
Can we stand any more of this BS PC crap?
This bloke has a serious chip on his shoulder.
They all do.
it's because black people can't create, they're great athletes (or physical specimens should I say) and can really jam in a jazz band, but they're too simple-minded and impulsive to get anywhere civilization wise
And self entitled.
@@MB-ko3mr As I said before they all do.
To be fair,he is well balanced as he has a chip on both shoulders..
Grifters still grifting.
Mogg's made a career of it.
@@paulfenton7776 Are you two twinnies ?
Plenty of black slave owners back in the day, maybe his ancestors owned some 🤔 blacks selling blacks is nothing new and they still do it today but nobody cares because there’s no compensation to be grifted out of them.
I wish Femi Nylander would be consistent and demand reparations from the Arabs, Turks and Africans instead of only focusing on the Europeans. Hold everyone accountable
Its about hatered.
What lack of education on your part? Reparations it's not about money solely. Slavery yes happens as a form of oppression, but between Africa and Europe was Chattel Slavery and the ramifications still to this day. Please, please, please. Britain has a catalogue of books explaining why this is relevant. I am so tired of the scale of ignorance in this debate. From the left and also from the right. Look at the meaning of the words Chatto about this topic. Moreover, we still address individuals with Colonial undertones. I don't agree with everything otherwise is free for all but this one you guys need education.
@@ReasonAboveEverything Get some books and read before addressing someone like that. Otherwise Kemi wouldn't be there.
I wish THESE PEOPLE would leave the country they so obviously despise !
@@LuzdoSol00 calling people uneducated, refers to chattel slavery as "chatto". Also doesn't realise that Arab slavery was also largely of this model, not to mention castration and brutal treatment meaning no descendents to claim reparations from.
Do not ask the people who sold them to the slavers, and are still doing the same today in African slave trade.
There's no anti-Western grift to exploit in going after Africans.
@Skylongskylong The Arabs are just as much part of the African slave trade of yesterday as they are of today no one wants to mention the Sub-Saharan trade that historic fact will always get over looked.
Same Africans who sold slaves are running their countries now same families. But nobody want to talk about that
Slavery is booming in Africa and the profits are spent with arms dealers.
Funny how they never go after their own kind when they were the ones selling the slaves to Europeans or that it was England that put a stop to the slave trade.
"Activist" always means con-artist.
Funded by the public purse.
@Elk Paz JRM, I assume.
This young man will not listen to any answers to any questions he asks. Typical “activist “who has a rehearsed conversation and will not listen to anyone else
@@suzyt9911 Leftists are worse than a religion. At least if he was preaching some kind of theology it would be playing fair.
Why don't they mention the ships that patrolled the Barbary coast by the English navy and intercepted slave ships. We were appalled by the idea of people as chattel, that's who England are. Check your history.
They just can’t stop talking over people spouting their tired worn out cliches,woe is me I’m a victim.Please just shut up!!🇬🇧🏴
He should take his begging bowl to Nigeria.
Anyone who wants reparations is no better than those who took part in the trade.
They both want to profit from the misery of others.
Thats actually true. infact im going to steal that line
@@RestingonHope Feel free to take it, with my compliments!
Mebb.
Brilliantly put.
Well said. 👍
And most of us bloody didnt take part in the trade, my ancestors were busy dying in their 30s from factory or mining work or being shipped off for years of captivity and penal labour to australia for stealing food and other petty crime, in some cases their entire families were sent in exchange for no death sentence.
@Hermit Permit he wasn't saying you should pay, but the generational wealth of people like Drax.
If you have a stupid argument raise your voice and shout over everyone else - empty vessels make the most noise!
They want to silence everyone who wont comply
What a rude man, constantly over talking.
Mogg always does that.
@@paulfenton7776 Mogg wasn't the one talking over him.
@CRS mogg never listens to an opposing opinion because he always thinks he's right when, in reality, he's mostly wrong.
@@crs2385 He knows that, he's just being a gob on a stick
@@paulfenton7776 Actually he does listen to the other side. And responds accordingly to the relevant points/opposing arguments. He doesn't interrupt like this activist is doing.
He should do a little research and go after the families of the black men who sold their own into slavery. Not all slaves were black neither
Want to hear something shocking?
Slavery is alive and well but the victims are mainly white and from eastern Europe, but no one cares about them as a black person with a chip on his shoulder trying to con money for someone that died nearly 200 years before he was born matters more.
There's no reparations for them or reparations for the victims of black crime.
These people took a lot more back then they ever lost and it still isn't enough.
It should be part of the deal, any black person demanding reparations should have to repay the UK for everything he and his family took out first.
Then the second part of the deal is he and his family once they've gotten their money is leave the UK and never return.
As a white Aussie I can testify to that my own descendants came from the English slave prison ships to Australia . They were made to work as slaves against their will for the English at that period of time in history . They may have knocked off a loaf of bread . I could understand if it were a raisin and toast loaf but just a plain white loaf was too harsh .
@@addamr2052 Bl*ck people own the monopoly on slavery and pity.
They don't care just about every race has been in enslaved by another at some point or that they were enslaved by their own people and sold to Europeans.
They just want to hate on wh*te people and live on pity, this is just the perfect excuse.
If it was really about the slavery they would go after their own people who were the ones that slapped the chains on first.
There is no debate. This is a Maritime nation. We are an island. Ships are integral to “OUR” culture and “ OUR” history.
We are also the country that created the West African Squadron, East African Squadron and Carribean Squadron and did our best to end slavery. Why are they focused on fighting the country that did the most to end slavery rather than the countries that continue with slavery? Given how much we gave them I fail to understand the complete lack of gratitude. British navy gave their lives but they want money. Sick.
@@Jamie-Zbecause Britain is the progenitor of the anglosphere, and basically the modern world. The leftists have
to bring us down to symbolically destroy the West
We want OUR OUR OUR how about everybody just stops going on about the past no wonder everybody is stuck in the mud and don’t move forward stop talking about irrelevant topics that have no bearing on us moving forward together as the human RACE so we are one aren’t we not? We are not the human sub races ie different colours
@Footballs Issue Podcast No, a real clown says nothing of content.
@@Footballsissue Apologies if I am misinterpreting your comment but it seems as if you are suggesting that the British started the slave trade in Africa. As I'm sure you are aware, the Atlantic slave trade lasted for 366 years whereas slave trading was practiced by various African kingdoms and empires for more than 2,000 years. Slavery in northern Africa dates back to ancient Egypt.
Ancient trade routes crisscrossed the continent, many of them pathways for the movement of local and international commerce and enslaved people. African traders linked routes from the west coast to distant communities of the Nile and the Red Sea. Similarly, trade routes traversed north and south, linking the Sahara with the savanna to the south, as well as to the forested regions of the continent.
The best known of these ancient trade routes were those crossing the Sahara. For centuries, caravans of Arab and Berber traders transported African captives from sub-Saharan Africa, trekking along a series of arduous stages to the slave markets of North Africa, the Mediterranean, Asia, and Europe. From the eighth century, demand for African slaves was accentuated by the spread of Islam. The vast networks of trade routes controlled by muslims were used to capture people and transport African captives far from their homelands.
Islamic religion penetrated ever farther south, deep into West Africa, along the East African coast, and far into the African interior. Thus, its traders forged new trading links, providing goods from Europe and the East, which Africans exchanged for their exports, including slaves. North African muslims created networks of trade that spanned a vast area of sub-Saharan Africa. African societies were ensnared by foreign slavers on the trading routes and forcibly marched in camel caravans across the Sahara Desert, often enormous distances, to markets in the north.
The trans-Saharan routes were broken into small sectors, with goods and people bartered and sold multiple times to new traders en route. The end result was that African captives were transported from deep in the continent to the edge of the Mediterranean, and even onward to Europe and to the empires of the Eastern Mediterranean. Berber and Arab trading routes created noticeable African ethnic groups in many major towns around the Mediterranean, from Cairo to Istanbul.
Traders moved African captives north along the trade routes of the Nile and sold them in Cairo’s slave markets (both to local slave owners and for onward sale). Many were women, destined for lives as domestic slaves and concubines. These internal trading routes were not devoted solely to the movement of slaves: they were trade routes along which a host of African commodities, ivory, for example, were transported north from Africa. Enslaved Africans were often forced to work as porters, carrying other goods being transported north. This trading system survived into the twentieth century.
European traders and sailors benefitted from these links when they began to trade along the coast in the fifteenth century, acquiring goods-and people-who were captured from the interior and brought to the Atlantic coast via the African traders’ inland trading systems. The Portuguese were originally attracted by the possibility of trading with coastal peoples for gold. In time, the desire for labor in the colonies caused Europeans to demand African labourers to work on their plantations in the Americas and Caribbean. The Atlantic slave trade lasted 366 years, but many Saharan trade routes survived for the better part of a millennium.
In 1833 britain borrowed 40%of its gdp to pay for the end of the slave trade. That borrowing wasn't paid off until 2014. Which means most people who are working have paid for the abolition of the slave trade in their taxes right through the 20th century and 21st century
@@BonusHole There was unemployment in the Caribbean after the war and their governments asked the British to provide jobs. Should have said no.
We paid the owners of the slave trade, not the slaves. Our own taxes went to slave owners
The Athenians had a lottery form of Democracy , but Democracy really stared in Britain when the Enlightenment ideas of John Locke were put into the 1689 English Bill of Rights. From here Democratic Rights and Human rights , science , technology and public programs began to evolve over the next 300 years . This was eventually exported to the US , NZ , Australia , Canada , and Japan . This is one of the greatest achievements in all of humanity .
@@Oblivion101craft We paid for the manumission of slaves who were legally property. That is why it worked. In America the refusal to do the same to the owners of slaves on the Southern plantations resulted in civil war. A lot of help was given to the former slaves not least by the Church of the West Indies but that was not enforced taxation. And any way why do these wonderful people who so enrich us and are such strong individuals need so much help after all these generations?
@@Oblivion101craft We not only paid for their freedom - we used our Armies and Navies to end the trade in West and North Africa, South America, Europe, East Africa, and finally Arabia.
Thousandsof our men were maimed or died - the Africans and Arabs pleaded with us to allow them to use sl-a-ves.
The British are the heroes - stop embarrassing yourself - your ancestors are so ashamed of you!
If he listened with his ears in stead of his mouth he might have learned something
Everytime Jacob tries to answer he talks over him. The guest is insecure with his own position on this topic.
They always are
That's what Mogg does all the time. His whataboutisms completely failed.
@@paulfenton7776 there’s nothing wrong with whataboutism, it provides nuance when nuance isn’t there
He's ignorant
@@sookmajoaby Who ?
No reparations without repatriation.
We need mass repatriations..
Interesting premise. Could be an alternative banner on demonstrations.
Apart from being disgusting, what logic is there behind that?
@@MrJREllman isn't it obvious? You won't have racial strangers constantly denouncing and demonising you in your own country.
I agree with Clem.
I wouldn't be surprised if Femi is a descendent of slave owners/traders. African tribes enslaved millions (as they believed trading slaves and enslaving enemies was their God given right). Once enslaved, they then sold those poor souls to the Transatlantic Slave Traders (except for the Portuguese who travelled inland Africa to capture slaves themselves). As one African historian wrote "In Africa, you were either a slave owner or a slave". The domestic African slave trade alone ( not to mention the Arab slave traders) had been going for centuries before the Europeans came on the scene. So there is a fair chance that Femi is a descendent of slave owners. The odds of Jacob being a descendent is a lot less, as only a tiny percentage of Brits were slave owners/traders.
Yes a very,very tiny percent of Brits were slave owners. Most of us were not paid enough to feed ourselves.
Look at Irish history. Famine, Oliver Cromwell, plantation and partition but never will you see Irish people look reparations. As for the economy of Ireland it’s booming through work and not endless handouts and complaining.
Ireland is one of the top ranked democracies in the world today .
Its a strong Democracy that allows Human Rights , a Strong Economy , and Social Programs to grow .
Of course having one of the lowest corporate tax rates in the world didn't hurt either .
But of course corporate headquarters will move Ireland because its a Democratic Stable Country .
.
Ireland is a crooked Banana Republic, they have stopped moaning about the potato famine or Cromwell, its such a great Country millions have left the place and gone all over the World.
I don't want reparations, it would be nice to go into a shop without being followed by security. Be nice to be treated like everyone else instead of a suspect.
Only cos you didn’t think about it.
@@landsea7332 having globalist organisations dictating irish government policy is hardly democracy. They are the reason the Irish government are drastically altering Ireland's demographics. London is still a major financial centre. Dublin is a tiny afterthought.
Why don't black and the left keep out of symbols in football. This is unbelievable.
Because these over paid morons have already grovelled to them on one knee for years and they know they will grovel to them again
Grifters always blame others and want their money…🤔
That's the Grift......and it will never stop!
Want soneone else's money more like
Give those British haters reparations under one condition...They leave the UK and go and live with their brothers and sisters in Africa.
Furthermore. If it does ever come to the day when people who have never been slave owners have to give money to people who have never been slaves, then it will be the day when I say enough is enough and start supporting forced repatriation. That is honestly something I never dreamed o would say at one time.
🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼 Now that would be worth it!
Give em nothing, they've taken out plenty over the years and the victims of black crime never get a penny.
@@dave4803 absolutely!! We have to stand up to this!
Blame Italians for the Roman Empire, the French for the Norman invasion of Britain or the current UK multicultural population for poverty in Iraq and violence in Libya
Don't forget the Saxons and Danes,
@@berserkerphil907 And Paddington Bear.
Afrter the Romans left, the Gaelic tribes of Ireland started stealing Britons - then the Danes and Swedes - who would keep some and sell the rest to North Africans and Ottoman Turks. Then the North Africans would sail here themselves.
We were conquered by Rome, Denmark, France, and the Dutch placed a king upon us.
We couldn't go to sea without being attacked by the French, Scandinavians, Portuguese, Spanish, Barbary Pirates,, and the Ottomans.
I'm sure they think we could've just told our attackers that we believe in equality now, so please leave us alone!
What about the Barbary Coast Pirates that emptied many, many villages throughout Britain and parts of Europe of their citizens , children, women and men whom were taken and sold into slavery to those in the Ottoman Empire, never to be seen again. It was awful but WE have to Accept that it was part of history and we learnt by it all . Slavery in many countries still goes on today so how about Femy concentrates and fight for them to help these people rather than asking for reparation for something that happened over 200 years ago. 😡
I wonder if he thinks the families of criminals should pay reparations to the families of their victims (as their suffering and disadvantage is much more proximate and tangible). His outrage is as selective as it is obvious.
I think perhaps we would say that if the families of the criminals directly profited from the crimes by their kinfolk, then yes. If one of your family had stolen money from an innocent victim and given you that money, would you have the integrity to pay it back to the victim from whom it was stolen?
@@MrJREllman So you're part of the problem then.
They obviously did benefit by living in the same house and eating the profits, pay up sons of criminals.
This guy will forever live in the past which means he can conveniently be blameless for any shortcomings in his life. What a cowardly way to live 😤
This joker needs to recognise the role GB played in stopping the trans Atlantic slave trade. He might also do better tracing back the African tribes that sold their prisoners to the European slavers
People like him conveniently focus on one particular era of slavery and disregard the other thousands of years, including what is happening today.
They also conveniently miss out the fundamental.role Africa played in that particular era by providing a plentiful supply of slaves.
These countries wanted their independence - what have they done with it??
answer is: nothing
Zimbabwe...............a case in point!
Extremely unsure of what he says by not allowing Mog to litterally to speak pointless having these people to debate.
the bloke was smug and irritating
When you ask a question and then continuously talk over the persons answer, you lose the debate automatically.
@@denz8261 And black
@@ericatkinson9285 denz was talking about mogg
Wouldn’t it be a more productive use of time for people like Femi to focus their attention on modern day slavery in places such as Nigeria? He could do more good helping those people rather than trying to line his own pockets off the suffering of his long dead ancestors. If he needs money, there are other ways to earn it instead of being a hustler.
he doesnt care about that he would have to be real for that battle
There’s 2 massive civil wars with bodies piling up in Africa as he speaks, Sudan and Haiti.
Try more like The Africans themselves and the arabs
How far back do we go back with this . The Romans . Vikings . Egyptians All empires throughout history have had slaves
@@laurenceBDontYaNo all empires throughout history have committed crimes Spain murdered all those Inkas in South America and stole billions in gold. Nothing is ever said about that France has a bad history too like i said how far back do we go. The Romans made human beings fight to death in the colluesum black and white people its more complicated than you realise slavery
And all of them white slaves no black slaves so it's white that should be getting all the money
@@laurenceBDontYaNo Maybe not. But it is a reasonable point.
@@laurenceBDontYaNo You are the expert Laurence. Name each crime.
@@laurenceBDontYaNo Slavery is even in the Christian BIBLE Moses leads the Jews out of Bondage in Egypt . America fought a war over Slavery in America and what about modern day slavery to like i said its more complicated
This proves to me you will never convince them of the truth. Just ignore them and stay away from them if you can.
Ha ha Scott Adams was correct stay the f away from them they are not good people..👍
They are running the show.
He might want reparations, but he wont be getting any. Ever.
Rishi has pledged reparations to Pakistan from Britain.
The victims of black crime never get a penny so why should they?
@@elkpaz560 Pakistan should pay reparations to all the grooming victims first.
@@elkpaz560 Pakistan is such a lousy "country" not even India can stand them
Not true....he will get at ticket home....as a reparation.
No. It wasn't a brilliant conversation. The Nylander man just talked over JRM constantly bullying his way with his stream of lies and simplistic rubbish. Who did Britain stop - how about the African nations who enslaved the slaves in the first place. Meanwhile, the countries of the Caribbean are a great deal better off than those African countries which were not colonised in terms of per capita wealth.
That’s what they do.
why is he even called Nylander isn't that a Viking name? sounds like cultural appropriation to me. perhaps he should pay reparations to the Danes for stealing a perfectly Nordic name
he is right... he has to start paying reparations to the British Empire for his Ancestors that were slave traders. The British actually finished paying for his slavery in 2015. Can he also pay for the 6000 sailors who lost their lives stopping slavery against his ancestors. As we have his surname maybe the government could give him his bill.Stop trying to cleanup history.. it is there to learn from and admire or denigrate but not to forget. If you want something to do ..fix the postmodern delusion and start doing something useful.
Femi makes a good point in terms of theft of labour which Jacob rightly concedes; however, charges for any theft go back to the start of the supply chain (who stole it), not who purchased it, i.e., the African tribes who captured the slaves and sold them...
However, more importantly, why is time being given to someone looking for reparations for people long dead when there is more slavery in the world today, but we hear little of what is being done to stop it..?
Agreed and this is another reason why his gold watch analogy is utter nonsense.
Exactly what I thought when heard him state that.
The guy is a filthy sophist, as most on the extreme left are.
What about the ships that patrolled the high seas to stop the transatlantic slave trade, and the Manchester mill workers who went on strike & protested in opposition of the slave trade?
They shouldn't have bothered.
@@laurenceBDontYaNo - Did he, I hadn't heard that!
Shouldn’t the still active slave trade in Africa be more of a concern for any black person? Or the fact africans sold the white man slaves in the first place. Reparations should come from Africa
He is just on a bandwagon whereby his lack of talent or any real contribution to any society gives him a mealticket by virtue of the capture of our tax money by institutions trying to return the country to year zero.
How many victim cards do you have in your wallet?
Femi: Yes
For goodness sake no one alive today is responsible
why should today's hardworking taxpayers have to pay for this time to move on
Today's hardworking taxpayers have already paid for it. The UK didn't settle the debt incurred by ending slavery until 2015. How about some reparations for that? And let's not start on all the financial aid we've sent to these countries through the years.
You can't have a rational discussion with someone who thinks that you carry responsibility for 5th and 6th generation ancestors (the Germans must be getting nervous)
Also the failure to at least get a basic grasp of the history of slavery shown through Portugal was the biggest European slave trading nation and the arab country's took vast numbers over a longer time span than the Europeans
Also most of the slaves transported by European countries were sold to the slave traders by other African tribes
Reparation arguments are a total con for failed governments and this activist is totally ignoring aid monies paid out and investments etc.
How can one expect to have a reasoned debate wish someone so woefully igorant of the facts as Femi Nylander? The Africans themselves were capturing there neighbouring tribes and keeping them as slaves, before they started trading them with Europeans in the coastal regions, Europeans didn't go into the African interior hunting slaves, they bought/traded them from the Africans themselves. There were more Africans held in slavery by other Africans than were ever transported across the Atlantic ocean by Europeans.
Nylander is hopelessly ignorant of the facts and cannot debate the issue because of that
Difficult to argue with selective ignorance, where he cherry picks his points. Ask him about the one million whites taken by the Barbary Pirates and sold in North African slave auctions over the course of about three centurys. Before that it was the vikings and they took over from the Romans. Point is, slavery has nothing to do with skin colour and everything to do with the strong taking what they want from the weak. When Britain became strong enough we were the ones who put an end to slavery, thanks to the exploits of the Royal Navy who spent around 150 years catching slave ships and freeing the captives. As for reparations, we've already paid. The Government of the time took the decision to end slavery everywhere and paid the slave owners to free their slaves, which incurred a debt we only finished paying in 2015. The video here on youtube 'British Crusade Against Slavery' should be required viewing before any of these idiots with a chip on their shoulder get air time. Learn some history first and as you say, the Africans enslaving each other was the normal way of life and for a time we did take advantage of it. once we were strong enough we also put an end to it.
SSSShhhhhhhhhh keep it down that would ruin the whole Narrative
Certainly, the widespread nature of slavery throughout history is a fact. However, the British Empire
provides a relatively recent entity and its people here in these islands offer a convenient approachable
target for all sorts of aims that seek benefit for their claimants that would stand no chance of any
success in any other land today that shares a similar historical background. Where are the claims
here in Europe against Spain, Portugal, Italy, Germany, The Netherlands et al?
Just keeps talking. Doesnt stop 😂
Those who keep digging up the past to keep division alive should be ignored. Stop reporting on them, if their claims are valid then they will find traction and find success. If their claims are still valid with the populations of today then so be it. BUT if the current generations have no interest in what happened 10 generations ago and have moved on to accepting full inclusion of all races and support opportunity for all then we have moved on and now share our general wealth of society with all. As for Femi, how can anyone have a debate with someone constantly talking over you, never shutting up and generally maintaining a career off the back of slavery ! Now that has to be recognised. Keeping the past open and relevant just to fill your pockets.
@@laurenceBDontYaNo No, I look forward not back. We can only change the future for good and treat everyone equal. Why does everything always come down to money ? how does that atone for history. Money, money , money ! The past is the past. Grandstanding on reparations and making a career out of it is a bit rich. Using the past horrors for current gain is pretty poor. Maybe Femi could apply his talent to solving a problem of today like the current Government corruption in the parts of the world he apparently fights for ? Maybe taking on the current issues that CAN be changed would be a better use of his time and talents.
Generational wealth is what prevents many people from progressing economically. Drax is worth 150 million. He can afford to give something back.
@@paulfenton7776 How far do you think 75 million is going to go and if it was spit between everyone how much do you think everyone going to get. ..
Love how you think you’re be intellectual as opposed to just plain racist 😂
@Mary Quinn-Stewart there's loads more generational wealth out there. If we taxed these people properly, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now. They've literally been getting away with it for generations.
🤦♂️ where does this all end? It's nasty.
If a poor country 200yrs ago hasn't sorted itself out now it never will
at least they have necklacing and earthquakes
There is no such thing as Caribbean people either like he claims. They are Africans.
Dividing us is how they will succeed with their agenda.
it has in America, we are copying them 😥😢
Lose any argument when you don’t let your opponent speak
Repay us all the countless millions £ that the UK has sent in aid to the African continent before reparations are discussed.
On the scale of things, 2000 years is not a long time. Does this mean that Britain / England can claim repatriations from Italy (Rome) / Norway and France, for their invasions / slavery, and methods; that can be argued has affected our current economic environment?
You cant have a discussion with an activist who has no interest listening
Grievance peddlers need to get real employment.
I'm a Singaporean PR. Singapore is one of the richest and most successful countries in the world and once a British colony. Singapore would never ask for reparations from Britain.
yet.
Whilst all this slavery was going on, we had thousands of men and children working 14 hour days underground, thousands of women and children working 14 hour days in cotton mills, and if you think it got easier after that, read 'Memoirs of a Surrey Labourer' by George Sturt.
Ignorant of people to think the Brits had it better than them - and lets not forget the Irish who got properly stuck in to build the Manchester ship canal, (as referenced on the club badges).
We need to get this type of conversation on a podcast, where they can take more time to address and explore each others points to the fullest and not interrupt each other.
I know the arguments. No mention at all of the black slave traders. Reparation should start there.
@@luciusesox1luckysox570 Britain wasn't even the biggest slave trader in the Atlantic slave trade.
And the Arab slave trade was huge, and lasted centuries longer.
The reparations grifter is historically illiterate.
@@luciusesox1luckysox570 the most dangerous things to blacks are other blacks not white people
@@bobbyuk5866 I mean slavery has been a staple of human civilization since the beginning of recorded history. However it's only European colonialists who are mentioned in any conversation about it. And that is because for years now, a small, entitled group have seen their opportunity to grift on race grievance and make themselves a nice chunk of cash.
@@goodlookinouthomie1757 You nailed it!
Do you not think English peasants weren't utterly shafted by Lords and land owners.. you just have to accept centuries old injustices live in the here and now, which luckily for most of us is a highly tolerant era filled with opportunities for those who are willing to work hard and stay out of trouble.
Call their bluff. Say you're all in favour of reparations and then ask them how, in detail, it would work. Watch them squirm.
I ant paying sweet fa nope no never
Grifters gonna grift…
Reparations are complete nonsense, what they really need to do, is claim the money off of their own countrymen who exploited them and sold them into slavery in the first place.
JRM has this habit of interviewing delusional guests who insist on trying to talk over him.....and fail miserably.
At least he tries.. I would 100% agree with your comment if I saw someone like Andrew Brigden being given an opportunity on BBC
You must have been watching a different interview.
@@paulfenton7776 as always, it depends on your opinion.
This country is a mess!
The Victim in this one is very strong.....
He can pay back all the money he and his family have taken out of the UK over the years first.
Then make reputations to victims of black crime.
Lasty before he gets a penny he and his family need to leave the UK first and never come back.
Until they do all that no money.
@@dave4803 sounds like a plan, pity we know he only thinks of things like reparations in one direction.
@@markgorton4154 Black people are selfish and think only they can be victims.
They are so used to playing the pity card to get what they want in life, you don't see Jewish people acting that way towards the Germans and they had worse done to them then being made to pick cotton.
Maybe Italy should make reparations to Britain for the Roman invasion 2000 years ago.
Jacob is correct, if the people of country have a bit about them then they will rise , simple as that really 👍
1. The GDP per head of those in the Caribbean is higher than those in Nigeria or Benin. So how would you argue under common law someone being deprived?
2. Why is there no ask for reparations from the slave takers? Surely this is the original crime?
3. Why is there no similar ask of Portugal, Spain, or the Arab states who castrated slaves even raised? (And Portugal had the biggest West African slave trade but paled in comparison to the east Africans slave trade)
Again it is a case of someone who has a political agenda, but with very little historical knowledge. I mean personally I think I may have a case against various viking nations, the normans, the romans but being a sensible human I am good to let it slide.
More recently the Barbary Pirates who stole women and children from Devon and Cornwall.
@@elkpaz560 shhh don't let logic and factually accurate history get in the way of ideology
@@laurenceBDontYaNo but they were taken as slaves by African tribes and sold to western nations. I am not sure just describing the actual historical facts is deflection?
If someone steals something, then sells that to someone who sells it on, surely all people in the chain should be held accountable?
Why do we give so much aid money to Jamaica?
@@sandraowens4821 not aware that we do. It isn't within the top 20 countries we give ODA to.
The proper answer to this silly demand is to laugh hysterically for about a minute, then with a dead serious tone answer, no.
but now old Charlie Windsor has started it off thinking they will love him afterwards, our useless, woke politicians will do the same. But people liek him will still hate us and demand more & more. You can't win with these people, they're just nasty, extremely unhappy people.
What's all this gotta do with the ships on clubs badges. Took them less than a minute to get completely off the subject.
It would have been a good debate if Femi didn't talk over Jacob Rees Mogg every time, also Femi should get a educate himself a bit more on historical slavery and slavery that still goes on in Africa today.
Not convinced by the argument for reparations since money would be paid back to both descendants of black slaves AND decedents of black slave dealers. It's a tough one and i'm still open minded tbh.
What i will object to is this never ending exaggeration and heightening of anxiety around the issue. There is no campaign to get football teams to change their flags it's a complete invention to make people angrier than they need be.
Yes, and Femi made the same point.
They both had valid points but the guy on the left didnt really listen to what was happening just determined to get his memorised script out before he forgot it consequently it was almosy immpoaible to listen to never mind follow Guy on the right hand side seemed patient but did either of them learn any thing new ? I doubt it
What bloody free health care !! Nothing is free , someone always has to pay !!
I prefer repatriation to reparation personally!
Enough is enough .
We are NOT sorry.
200 years is a huge amount of time. USA is barely older and South Korea has gone from in the top 10 poorest countries to the top 10 richest in 50 years.
FYI the only reason slavery stopped was cos of revolts in the Caribbean
The majority of the population of Britain 300 years ago lived a short and poverty stricken life themselves, worked to death down coalmines and in fields and factories.
They benefitted nothing from slavery and had no part in it. The idea of their decendents being expected to to pay reparations is ludicrous.
I'm still awaiting reparations from the Romans - what did they ever do for us?
This femi guy isn’t listening but talking over his host … this isn’t a discussion but an argument
That is absolutely the most outrageous thing I've ever heard
There just trying to get money anyway they can.
I think we need to start looking at the Barbary pirates and seeing what money we can get out of them.
For goodness sake, this must be a joke! Are we having to banish all boats, ships and yachts? This world is going insane
The UK was late to empires, everyone had them before the UK. African, Asia and the Arab world all had slavery before and after the UK. The UK was victim to colonialism also.
This wasn't a debate. It was a woke tantrum.
There is no point trying to debate someone who will not debate.
You cannot argue with someone who doesn't listen and who talks over you.
Where did the slave owners even get all their slaves in the first place? 🤔
These people can’t even debate properly. Talking over people all the time. Grow up!
He made a big point about what was taken from slaves and that it was wrong. So the rebuttal is, would it be right for people who weren't slaves to steal from people who played no part in slavery?
You can live, on average, a couple years longer in Cuba. Living a miserable existence. Great.
Let Mog get a word in ffs, so he can educate you in HISTORICAL FACTS
Which dirt poor Caribbean country is this guy talking about? We good brother!
These people have a pre-rehearsed mantra that fits their argument, and they won't listen to the other side, but rather just keep talking, it's a form of verbal bullying
Why should modern British people be expected to pay reperations to anyone. The money tree is empty.
Britain spent $15.7 billion in aid in 2022 - including domestic spending such as refugee programmes. There's no way we got thatch from them in the first case.
I live in the Caribbean it ain't slavery. You can't blame slavery for a big centralized government that breeds corruption. Caribbean is "poor" becuase of bad decisions