Femi Oluwole and Carole Malone poppies row - full version
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- The pair debate Femi's tweet about the BBC allowing presenters to wear poppies after their "virtue-signalling" ban.
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I honestly think that with another 10 minutes, Carol and Femi would have got past the misunderstanding, it was nice to see Jeremy Vine did.
Nah Carol seems like she just dislikes femi, I dont think she wouldve come to an agreement
Nah she seems like a racist to me
I like Carol and I think she is brave to stand up and tell the truth and not back down . I find have always agreed with her in all her arguments so far but I do think Jeremy should keep his opinion to himself I don't like him and if I want to watch the show because Carol or Anne Widdicombe for instance is on I record it and then I don't have to listen to Jeremy ...
Wow, British people sit across the ocean and laugh at and criticize Americans for their racism and ignorance, but it doesn’t appear they’re any better.
No, America is a lot worse.
dont talk so stupid racism works both ways blacks against whites happens all the time does not get reported as that does it
Nah, America is far, far worse.
Isn’t a poppy a symbol of peace? It is something we used to all share.
“People can choose to interpret that” 🤦🏼♂️ he absolutely knew this was the context it would be taken and is smirking about it, same trick ash sarkar, alibi brown and Owen Jones play on this program on a regular basis
nah he looped Carole Meh-lame in CIRCLES, dumbass tripped over her own logic.
Who else didn't search for this...
Me
BTW well done to Jeremy Vine for emphasising the point that BLM is a political movement, several times.
doesn't matter if it is
@@leelobee6552 100% it matters - the fact you don't see that as an issue makes you part of the issue
@@GeorgeSquare the fact you think its political makes YOU part of the issue
@@leelobee6552 what's it like living in denial?
@@GeorgeSquare you should know I met you living in the same place
All y'all getting pressed in the comments, you're proving his point. All he's saying is racial equality shouldn't be political in the same way respecting the dead shouldn't be. Do you guys agree or not?
He`s politicising it even more, he just loves the spotlight. Good for the click bait,and he knows it !
I agree 🙋🏾♂️
No
I'm so surprised that there are so many people disagreeing with him in the comment section but in the same breath trying to evoke notions of people dying to protect our freedoms. They protected us from nazism in the second world war, how is the continued fight for racial equality so different from that? Also the rights that people keep bringing up include the right to do exactly what he is doing.
Poppies are not being used to promote a change of views or policy. He is an Activist.
Why have they even giving this femi guy air time for
MSM token
Because he’s talking about some really good stuff
free speech?
@@noneoftheabove5816 Why am i not on once a month then??
"Poppy thing ???" Shame on you jeremy vine
Lmao what?
So instead of understanding the point, you point that out?
No British person would say this.
@Tabman and The Well Thinks Everyone should have the right to say what they like. Shame people like Femi are anti-freedom of speech.
I remember the veterans of the first world war, those who actually fought and saw their comrades slaughtered, those veterans who refused to attend official commemorations. In doing so, they showcased their anger at the state-sanctioned carnage that the first world war had been.
@@Tony-vh5hz You must be truly ancient because the vast majority of the survivors were dead by the 1970's. I am now in very senior years and never met or heard of such veterans. On the other hand you may just be a liar, peddling your bullshit to fit some contrived agenda of your imagination.
@@TheRunereaper Do you know of Henry VIII? If so that's your memory remembering. By your logic you must be truly ancient.
@@Tony-vh5hz Ah Tony, there's a world of difference between "knowing of" and "remembering". Your reply is a tacit admission that you are indeed a liar. I doubt you could name even one common sailor who died at Trafalgar, you know of them but cannot remember them. The golden rule is that when you are in a hole you stop digging. And yes, I've been around for a very long time.
Simply ,whinging for whinging"s sake ?. Its Femi "s way of clinging to another charities - skirts ,because he is jealous of the Poppies popularity and thinks things like B.L.M. should be just as popular and successful as the long term Poppy ?.
Well surprise ....I agree with Femi on this issue. The Royal British Legion is not beyond reproach. Britain is a democracy meaning everything can be questioned.
Britain a democracy?, you are not a citizen, you are a SUBJECT of our ancient out of touch monarchy.
He's questioning the state TV though.
@@RichieBee his handlers are...Femi is strickly controlled by 2 men ...check a Katie Hopkins interview.
@@ThePierre58 I got Katie Banned on twitter can't find it because she's suspended.
@@RichieBee i think banning speech is dangerous, thats how Adolf and Pol Pot got into power.
I’m ashamed that they even have to discuss this. Millions have given their lives in defence of this country; ....”yeah but George Floyd” 🤦🏻♂️
I really don't think you understand the argument
@@LauraCatherine96 judging by thumbs ups ,you don't understand.
@@skilledbuilduk9694 are you sure you want to be supported by idiots?
Yes I'm ashamed his too privileged
And millions and millions of black people have been murdered because of the colour of their skin. Apparently that doesn’t matter tho
6:40 where her logic falls apart 😂😂😂
Completely agree with Femi
@Mistymirror Curtis they agree with the comments and criticism made by Femi in the video
People are against his ideological bias. Like banning a song in the Proms, just because you falsely say it's linked to colonialism.
They are against your non equivalence examples.
These people are not against racial equality. He just says they are, because they're against the wrong ideas of the Far Left.
Or maybe he’s just says they are because they are?
@@reddad7911 Everyone.....are you for real. You can't be that simple 🙏
@@kadourimdou43 yes! I find it insulting when a so called journalist, can not debate the issue. Femi posed a really good question, but some people get a headache just thinking about it. Have nothing to offer, don’t want to feel stupid so go round in circles trying to look intellectual.
@@reddad7911 The issue is he made a false equivalent example. Poppies are not political. It was a crass thing to use, as they're to respect those that sacrificed their lives.
Stopping others from having a song they like at the Proms, would be a stunt Thought Police pull.
Nothing to do with stopping racism....his ideas and thinking don't make sense.
@@kadourimdou43 stay on point. Do you think black people give a dame what you sing at the proms? No!
Careful scrutiny shows how femi twists and turns to suit his 'point'
You have to love Femi reciting lines given to him by his funders.
Any substantive argument to the clear points he is making or are we just gonna criticise him because you hate the left?
@@JJJ-pi8jk Your hero doesn't make any substantive points. He just repeats quotes given to him from the benefactors that lifted him out of Pizza Delivery.
@@BentzensEmporium repeats lines? You mean makes points. Just because you disagree with him you just diminish everything he stands for and try to dumb him down as some funders puppet. He’s just asking a question so many people wanna know. Why is racial equality political to some of you people?
@@JJJ-pi8jk Well I knew you would drag race into sooner or later. The guy is a voicebox for his benefactors. He has no opinions of his own. If you can't see that then I cannot help you.
@@BentzensEmporium drag race into it? The topic is about race. This highlights your ignorance.I literally just repeated the question that Femi was asking and this is your reaction. This says more about you then anyone else that your resorting to invalidate his opinion instead of simply disagreeing with him you just go for irrelevant lines of attack
Femi going on and on about white privilege sounds like racism to me, he is a horrible man with a big chip on his shoulders, this is the best JV can do when looking for guests
Jeremy Vine is boring the country to death, and doesn't deserve a TV show. I'd rather gouge my eye out, his show is depressing.
But you chose to watch him on TH-cam though, if u don’t like it don’t watch it
I only watch if Ann is presenting or Carole Malone is on the panel , Jeremy Vine is so false and lives in his own LITTLE world not clue about real life and so so boring how on earth did he get a presenting job .
I've noticed your comment is a year old what a comment, .. it put a silly big grin on my face. Totally agree with you.
The woman’s driving me mad. Doesn’t articulate a single point with any sense of intellect and nuance.
Totally agree. The same people who boo footballers taking the knee for 5 seconds ensure they respect the 2 minutes silence on rememberance day.
Erm ?.....right.
Imagine if our Great Grandparents knew what there country would eventually become i wouldnt want them dying for us its not worth it 😔
If your great grandparents are that upset over a debate then they’re idiots aren’t they
@@Whattheflyingfuxk if you see what is happening to this country as a "debate" you need to pull your head out of your ass
@@thedroneflyingviking1284 No point arguing against Marxists. They just want to take over and any logical sence is ignored.
You realize with out the black soldiers sent from America you may not have had a country? Those same black soldiers who would be denied the right to vote in the south til the late 60s and were refused the same benefits given to white soldiers after world war 2. They gave their lives stopping the Nazis and protecting europeans rights when they didn't even have them at home.
@@Go4Noctis when did I mention black people? I meant this country in general is a joke not everything is about skin color 😒 but welcome to 2020 and its only gonna get worse
Lefty plank, and that’s just Vine.........
Clearly doesn't understand the meaning of poppies, and clearly doesn't know what it is to be British. this may the problem.
Femi.....what do you say about nissan suggesting Brexit makes the UK more competitive?
Replace the Ls in his name with Ks
Did she say just say that he will NEVER have to a fight in a war. Is that a promise.
He literally talks like a 5 year old, it's embarrassing, he is even making Jeremy Vile look smart,
Again, no substantive argument to what Femi was saying, just typical juvenile attacks at him that have nothing to do with the clear points he was making. Maybe you’re the five year old.
The Jeremy Vine show must have been very desperate to find guess if he's the best they can come up with.
Who in the hell is Carole Malone? Tory cheerleader?
Some people just go out of their way to find offence in anything.
How dare some people want equal treatment for all, how crazy
I know that Carole Malone was clearly very riled
Remembering the lives of people past who fought for our freedom, including people who were black, Indian, Asian ect... Is a bit different to recognizing racism in today's f***ed up society.
Yeah all those poppy people getting bent out of shape not understanding the simple comparison. Especially when You realize with out the black soldiers sent from America you may not have had a country? Those same black soldiers who would be denied the right to vote in the south til the late 60s and were refused the same benefits given to white soldiers after world war 2. They gave their lives stopping the Nazis and protecting europeans rights when they didn't even have them at home.
@Stuntman Mike anymore? When was this time your speak of? 90s? 80s? 1950s? Do you mean a time where the voice was overwhelmingly the majority racial group?
Who is this Femi joke? Unbelievable!
Just a thought - these people are criticising wearing a poppy which they have paid for to support a charity - The British Legion So what do they want? For the charity not to exist.
No one on the panel criticised the poppy!
The truth
Carol is passionate about the poppy because it represents her cultural and ethnic history..fermi is not because it ultimately is not his history or culture
Femi is passionate about BLM because it is his culture and history, carol is not because ultimately it is not hers...dress it up how you want but it is the truth
Um...you can be black and British?
Femi clearly understands the importance of the poppy, which is why hes not trying to get it banned. What hes doing is trying to allow BLM and LGBT symbols as they should also be allowed if u use the same logic as the poppy
Ov course..I’m just talking about a deeper truth which is uncomfortable for many to admit or talk about openly
To remember war dead and sacrifice of ww1 and 2 should not really be political..were as LGBT and BLM matters have become over political
@@johnatkinson7479 there's no truth behind your statement though.
The poppy is in remembrance of all who died for us.
Listen to Femi.
Mad respect for femi
Wearing a poppy should NOT be questioned. Absolutely! Nor should equality for black people. BLM is a totally different question. BLM is political and dangerous. But the lives of black people do matter. And I would say, because we are talking about lives, equality for black people is of equal importance to the question of remembering those who gave their lives in wars. P.S. Black people fought in our wars.
Black people fight for their country too. Many fought in wars including ww2 can we not honour everyone ?
Everything is political...
The fact that his points either flew over many peoples head or people were too bigoted to allow his point sink reveal why the world is the way it is.
You cannot relate the solemn respect for death to the respect for a way of life. He is getting very close to speaking ill of the dead and shouldn't go down that route.
Richard Church you don’t choose your race or sexual orientation...
@@richardchurch9709 of what use is solemn respect for the dead if you do not respect the rights of the living? Therein lies the hypocrisy of it all.
@@thomasdj8464 Your point being?.....
@@ohiosimuanfemi-aigboje105 Poppycock, (no pun intended). BLM is a years old left-wing political movement based on the tenets of anarchy, the dismantling of all authority and the breakup of family units, all published on their own website. They have since changed their name to the Black Liberation Movement on the 23rd Oct 2020 so that they could garner over £1m in subsidies. They have also dropped the more vicious aims of their movement on their website. If you were to say to me that black lives matter, I would support that view wholeheartedly.
And does he even realise that without the heros who went out there and fought for us, we'd all be speaking German and there'd be no black people at all in this country!
You realize with out the black soldiers sent from America you may not have had a country? Those same black soldiers who would be denied the right to vote in the south til the late 60s and were refused the same benefits given to white soldiers after world war 2. Way to ignore his point and make him anti vetran when he clearly isn't.
The race baiter on yet another channel.
Poppies are bad
Honestly so many people are being unfair to Femi, he never disrespected the soldiers that served in the war. Also you should know that it wasn't just white people that fought for Britain right, its just as much his history as it yours. Out of approximately 8.5 million soldiers and labourers, about only 5 million were actually from the British isles, the rest were all from various countries in the British empire. ( approximately 1,440,500 from India, 629,000 from Canada, 413,000 from Australia, 136,000 from South Africa, 128,500 from New Zealand and more than 134,000 from other colonies) and these statistics are from the BBC website. Not to mention all the raw materials proved by these countries and the west indies. Some of you need to learn more about Britain's history before you run in all guns blazing. This is linked intimately with Britain's Colonization and exploitation of resources and people. The war was one of the contributing factors to these countries gaining more independence so the so called ”political” rights of racial minorities do link with the war whether you like it or not.
O God..why? What purpose does this guy serve?
Ticks a few boxes
What a pair of scum bags
I wouldn't piss on Femi if he was on fire.
Mad respect for femi
Why is this waste of space given air time?
Who the blond lady?
Who knows, but she seems to pop up everywhere!
The poppy is not about skin colour, its paying respect to all those who lost their lives in war. It is not for blacks, whites or asians its to be respectful tonthem all
are you insinuating that protesting against racism is a burden only POC have to bear?
@@franceseghre-bello4116 I think the Russian translation is not good, It makes no sense to me.
Which is not what he argued at all....So maybe watch again and try harder.
What's he going on about i don't get it.
BBC bans virtue signaling. If poppies arent considered virtue signalling, then BLM arm bands should be allowed as well
This day time show has just turned into a shout fest soundbite auguements never getting to a clear examination of the topic discused or shouted over
Why vine is getting involved in any kind of a argument with or against is of no difference to him he’s that far up the bbc programers arse and can spend their money on a wim no questions asked FACT.
Carol should go to Northern Ireland and ask people oppressed by British soliders in her lifetime(!) how they feel about Poppies.
There you go again, conflating what happens in life with respect for death. My family live in Co Cork, and I served in NI in the army. Soldiers were sent there by the politicians and did not choose to go there. I saw no oppression of the majority of the people of NI, but please understand that when soldiers are sent anywhere to achieve a result wished by Government they will do it to the best of their ability. Those who lay down their lives should be respected and I hold no disrespect for any IRA member so laid.
I suggest you remember what the IRA did and the reason the soldiers were there in the first place!
@@jedworthy the IRA didn't exist before the English invaded Ireland. The English can't pretend they didn't invade countries all over the world.
@@ciaranmurren Cromwell invaded, how long do you want to hold a grudge. Personally I think the Irish people are fantastic and wouldn't bat an eyelid if there was a united Ireland. Don't forget that young men from Ireland, (Southern), have always had an automatic right to join the British Army and still do have. Young soldiers from the South served in Northern Ireland during the troubles and the poppy is worn in memory of those that fell in the Wars as well. Unless of course you think that those young guys were traitors and should not be remembered.
It is not about where those men were sent to serve it is about the fact they died ...most did not want to fight but were conscripts
Do not blame them
I bet they did not want to die
So he lost the EU argument, so to be relevant changed to attaching the poppy to become relevant.
The conservatism analogy was superb...Femi, I wish i had your level of conversational skills..... keep educating them king
Why do production companies keep putting this absolutely tool on the TV. Femi would start an argument in an empty room! I detest him!
God forbid a guy fighting for racial equality
@@e.l98 the poppy has got absolutely nothing to do with racial equality. Its about being respectful to the thousands of heros who paid the ultimate price for our freedoms. Femi tries to make absolutely everything about racial equality. If those heros didn't do what they did, we'd be speaking German and there wouldn't be any black people in this country. He needs to learn respect!
@@ashleyroberts1968 You realise Femi has got nothing against the poppy right? He was even wearing one himself. His point is simply why not both? Why can’t people wear the poppy and also be able to show they stand with blm?
@@e.l98 the fact that he's comparing the two subjects when the have absolutely nothing to do with each other just shows his complete lack of respect. He makes every conversation about race when it has nothing to do with it. He's a one trick pony who's head is in the clouds!
@@ashleyroberts1968 He’s just making the point that the BBC themselves said that they ban virtue signalling no matter how worthy the cause. But yet allow the poppy. He’s just trying to say that if the poppy is allowed why not blm related things or anything else worthy. The BBC can’t pick and chose what people can or can’t virtue signal. It’s either all in or all out.
Well done Femi, that was very well explained and very clear.
I wouldn’t expect someone of Femi’s ilk to understand that my, and many others, grandfathers, FOUGHT FOR HIS RIGHT TO CRITICISE.
What makes you think Femi doesn’t understand that? He has no problem with the poppy
just ignore him.
Remainers all the same. He's a complete toss pot. Carol burnt him. Well done to her.
She didn’t though did she
She didn’t... she very obviously didn’t even comprehend his point, even though he was very clear about it. She’s just dum
@@cmtheone your obviously biased. Did you vote to stay in the E.U by any chance?
@@mattfinch3895 I’m not biased I’m looking at it logically. She doesn’t understand the meaning of a statement. BBC banned virtue signalling, yet allows people to virtue signal their beliefs by wearing a poppy. Allowing that but not allowing people to support other movements or ideas is hypocritical. Neither wearing a poppy, or supporting Black Lives Matter is bad, but only allowing one is hypocritical and a form of bending the rules. The same applies for any other situation, no matter the political or ideological affiliation. You can’t make a rule but then pick and choose who it applies to. Also I don’t see how brexit is relevant in any way shape or form to the conversation I am currently having.
@@cmtheone you did vote remain then. Your just one of his obedient stooges.
This hole topic is disrespectful to those who gave their live in both world wars and any war after, no matter what their colour or contry. To proctect the freedoms we enjoy today. That allow us to speak freely and walk around with laws that protect us. Instead of having laws that repress us. We get to have our say when we vote every four years.
This is what these brave men and women of all colours and backgrounds died for.
We should be proud that britian and our partners from around the world stood up to a dangours ideal that would have killed 90% of poeple becouse of their religion or skin colour.
But he’s not saying anything to the contrary of that
@@Whattheflyingfuxk but by politicizing the symbol he is. As the symbol is a show of respect and reflection not a political symbol.
You realize with out the black soldiers sent from America you may not have had a country? Those same black soldiers who would be denied the right to vote in the south til the late 60s and were refused the same benefits given to white soldiers after world war 2. They gave their lives stopping the Nazis and protecting europeans rights when they didn't even have them at home.
Can you imagine him on a battle field.
The enemy shoot,s at him and he would claim there being racist.
He has a point , either you can make a political statement or you can’t. The BBC cannot pick and choose which ones they want to support🤔
Wearing the poppy is not a political statement !! Or are you as deaf as him
What political statement does a poppy make then?
@@elizabethmajor2049 So if that is not a political statement, why is wanting racial equality?
@@elizabethmajor2049 if the BLM is a symbol of equality , and the poppy is a symbol of remembrance then they should both be shown since they are both fighting for good no? Calm down Elizabeth 😂
@@hazzachild that you support war and the millions that have dies for it
Jeremy and this tool belong together. Don’t know why any of them have airtime. Carol, slap him back into his box, he will say anything to keep in the limelight.
Wearing a poppy is a way of showing respect and saying thankyou to the fallen men who gave up their freedoms and lives so pricks like fani have the freedom knock them for it and us for showing our respect.
I put a comment on, pointing out that when you buy a poppy you are supporting a charity, The British Legion. It seems to have been removed.
@@jenniferjenkins1341 I’m not surprised tbf
it’s like you didn’t listen to anything Femi had to say. He never expressed any disrespect towards the poppy ever! All he’s saying is that just as wearing the poppy is a sign of respect and appreciation for sacrifices made by the troops, wearing blm insignia is a sign of respect and solidarity for black people who have lost their lives due to racially motivated violence.
@@franceseghre-bello4116 can I ask a question do all black live matter to the blm movement. Now do your research before standing on your soap box or replying to this !!!
yes all black lives matter to the black lives matter movement! what’s your point?
That woman hit the nail on the head. 👍🏻
Uh did we watch the same video? She blatantly lost this argument aha
Funilly enough I agree with Femi but I thought his tweet was misleading. Femi definitely made every good points in this interview.
Femi clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.
Lmao, Femi knows exactly what hes talking about. All his replies were solid
Lol nice blank statement you could copy paste on anything without actually giving the reasons why.
Carl clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.
@Nick Bointon yeah if one black dude talking can hurt all black people to you then you're racist my dude
Plop......next
Current political issues aren't the same as remembering and honoring the people who died to protect our freedom
Maybe Femi should be looking at his own country Nigeria with all its problems before he starts pointing the finger at Britain where he has received benefits and has had the opportunity to a good standard of living , we remember our dead in Britain its not political its called respect please show some ...
Femi was born in Britain. He is British. That means his home country is Britain. Don't be a bellend
@@hardcoretam correct i didnt realise he was born in England after his family had emigrated from Nigeria the birth place of his father , why is he is so critical of this country where he has prospered and benefited and gave his family a chance of a new start in life , he may live in England but his heart is in the EU which is not very British along with most of his comments in my opinion , i stand corrected on the ONE mistake ..
@@kamon830 he's as "British" as you are. He's being critical that the BBC are selective of what causes people are allowed to wear symbols of and he's right to do so.
Perhaps if you had been subjected to racism on a daily basis your whole life, you would be more understanding of his reasons for saying what he's saying.
@@hardcoretam his comments indicate a lake of understanding of British feelings and historical traditions which are part of the culture which he enjoys the benefits of , for a man who has been subjected to racism his entire life he has done rather well out of it , why did his father and mother emigrate to such a place if its that bad with no prospects common get real , i have been subjected to racism myself from all races at different times , i see racists in all races and sometimes the biggest racists are the ones who shout loudest ,
@@kamon830 When you say British feelings and traditions you really mean English.
Can you show me where me or said thr UK has no prospects? You cant because you just made that part up yourself in an attempt to make your jibes at someone advocating for equality seem valid.
Please tell me about some of the racism you have experienced.
This is a joke, by the time people wake up it will be too late. The fact this was even up for discussion is a disgrace.
Respecting the dead for their sacrifice is not a political movement, it is honoring them.
BLM is respecting the dead and trying to prevent more people dying. It's also a symbol of respect and deserves recognition everywhere
A pair of petit bourgeois dogs fit only for the gulag
Aboustloutly agree with femi
Femi made extremely strong points here, the woman they put in "for balance" seems utterly off her rocket
Time to forget the poppy, and stop making war a virtue.
@oh dear! me remember that time the government started an illegal war and got thousands killed over weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist?
The message from the Poppy used to be "Lest we forget" and "Never again" but never again was removed because it might demotivate people to join the military and without a military they cant get involved in more conflicts
Agree with Carole
Brilliant point Femi.
Wow she's really out there doing the lead poisoning generation proud
BLMATTER SMURFFS
Too many non indigenous telling us what to do. Time to go!
He’s British...
@@thomasdj8464
If he took a DNA test I’d bet you any money you want it wouldn’t say British 😉
@@thomasdj8464 not to me he isn't!
@@durhamfox5271 We’ve been an island for 10000 years, there is no indigenous people, so off you trot to mainland Europe then you racist knob 👍
@@Naomi-vc2bt
Northwest European you pathetic, lefty traitor! Up yours!!
Hahahaha white beautiful tears.
GO HOME
Here’s another racist proving his point, well done 👍🏾
I think he was actually referring to the fact he's from Ireland.
@@Martin-88 still racist
@@Martin-88 Hes clearly not telling him to go back to Ireland...
I feel like he just hit a Break Karen
All life’s matter
Femi won the debate lol
Well said Femi. Making people think twice
Karen is pissed, what a snow flake.
Femi is a national treasure
Treasure should be buried on an island.
For which African country?
Durham Fox none, because he is British.
Richard Church that’s what you do with your valuables? How bizarre...
@@thomasdj8464
You can have him!
BLM =burn loot murder