I think in order to the sundial of the infinite work you need to activate it at your end phase because you need the sacrifice step of the encore ability to actually be in the stack... otherwise it will trigger on our next end step. Encore ability states "Sacrifice them at the beginning of the next end step" therefore if you scape your next... the "next end step" would occour in a latter turn, right?
@@GuysThatMagic When encore ability goes on the stack you use the sundial. The sacrifice does not carry on to future turns and you keep those copies permanently. By ending your turn before those sac triggers resolves, the stack empties and you keep the encore copies as token copies. Sac triggers do not carry into future rounds.
At the time of recording these additions came out to about $100, but as the deck is getting more attention some card prices are fluctuating. Edit: We misspoke regarding Sundial of the infinite. You need to be in your end step with the encore ability on the stack, then the sundial will exile the ability and it will never trigger for those creatures again!
@@GuysThatMagic Yeah, of course. Besides, it's not like you guys don't go over budget at times since certain cards make you have to push a little further from $100. As a wise man once said, heavily used and damage cards also need a home.
Oh, so just a thought. Blasphemous act is a thing in commander, though it was a seriously rare occasion, I won a game super early with spiteful sliver. Flashed it in and dealt an absolute ton of damage. Had more than enough to kill everyone. Same goes for Rukarumel, so you don't choose Slivers with it. So if someone else is playing tribal like elves for example, I'm gonna choose elves. So it basically gets every tribal effect or anthem that exists on the board.
Can we get a revised version where money is of little consequence? No $600 cards but no limits on $60+ cards either. Just the most solid sliver deck you could build.
Bit of misinformation there with Sundial of the Infinite. The sac trigger activates on the next end step. If you activate it on your main 2 you skip your end step, and you will sac them on your opponents end step instead. You have to activate the Sundial with the sac trigger on the stack at the end step.
Rather than Sundial of the Infinite, consider Evolutionary Leap. It does more than just make use of the encore tokens. It also makes spot removal and mass removal less punishing. And it costs pennies.
Sundial allows us to exile the sacrifice trigger from the encore ability so we can keep our tokens forever. It's a pretty awesome card for this commander!
Removing Blade Sliver, Spiteful Sliver, and Bonesplitter Sliver is wild to me. “Yeah. I don’t like redundant effects in. Sliver deck build around redundant effects.” Sure. Other cards do similar things- But those are an effective +3/+0, triple damage back to a player or planeswalker when slivers take damage, and +6/+0. Spiteful sliver turns something like a Blasphemous Act into a WinCon. 13 damage to each sliver? Even if you only have the grave other, and three spiteful slivers? That’s 156 points of damage target player or planeswalker. Even with only 2 copies and grave mother, that’s still 78 damage you can toss around however you like. Wild.
I just bought this precon and trying to edit it myself. I was thinking of putting Blasphemous Act into this deck for spiteful, but I feel like for the most part it just hurts you most of the time. Has it worked a bunch for you?
First time watching the channel and a little late to comment. I do like your updates I would only change one thing the lands. I would put the bond lands instead of shocks only for the fact that I can get two times the amount lands and they are almost always untapped in commander.
Sundial of the infinite doesn’t work here right because Gravemothers ability says “Sacrifice them at the beginning of the next end step” so basically the person your versing. So it’s pointless here
It's inexcusable how bad these mana bases are for a "premium" product. I could understand not reprinting the fetches (although, every now and then it would be nice) but there's no reason slow fetches and shitty etb tapped lands should be in these. A shock land reprint wouldn't kill them, and it's absolutely disgusting that the battlebond lands weren't included, at the very least.
So I'm gonna play the sliver gravemother and then play conspiracy completely destroying the legend rule when I name slivers. Then I'm going to traumatize myself and play slivers from the graveyard at will. So for 20 COLORLESS I can bring 4 15 15 indestructible w.e of the same legend in play at the same time and if your still not dead ill keep casting 4 of the same legend from the graveyard every turn for colorless mana 😂😂let's goooooo
I like the adds and cuts for the deck. Thanks for sharing the link to Moxfield for checking everything out !!
I think in order to the sundial of the infinite work you need to activate it at your end phase because you need the sacrifice step of the encore ability to actually be in the stack... otherwise it will trigger on our next end step. Encore ability states "Sacrifice them at the beginning of the next end step" therefore if you scape your next... the "next end step" would occour in a latter turn, right?
You're correct! I misspoke. You need to be in your end step with the encore ability on the stack.
@@GuysThatMagic When encore ability goes on the stack you use the sundial. The sacrifice does not carry on to future turns and you keep those copies permanently. By ending your turn before those sac triggers resolves, the stack empties and you keep the encore copies as token copies. Sac triggers do not carry into future rounds.
At the time of recording these additions came out to about $100, but as the deck is getting more attention some card prices are fluctuating.
Edit:
We misspoke regarding Sundial of the infinite. You need to be in your end step with the encore ability on the stack, then the sundial will exile the ability and it will never trigger for those creatures again!
Such as the nature of the secondary market. No matter, we still appreciate your content.
@@RvBnerd618 We love to hear that! Thank you very much 😃
@@GuysThatMagic Yeah, of course. Besides, it's not like you guys don't go over budget at times since certain cards make you have to push a little further from $100. As a wise man once said, heavily used and damage cards also need a home.
Oh, so just a thought. Blasphemous act is a thing in commander, though it was a seriously rare occasion, I won a game super early with spiteful sliver. Flashed it in and dealt an absolute ton of damage. Had more than enough to kill everyone. Same goes for Rukarumel, so you don't choose Slivers with it. So if someone else is playing tribal like elves for example, I'm gonna choose elves. So it basically gets every tribal effect or anthem that exists on the board.
Didn't think of that! This is why I love the comments section.
Can we get a revised version where money is of little consequence? No $600 cards but no limits on $60+ cards either. Just the most solid sliver deck you could build.
Bit of misinformation there with Sundial of the Infinite.
The sac trigger activates on the next end step.
If you activate it on your main 2 you skip your end step, and you will sac them on your opponents end step instead.
You have to activate the Sundial with the sac trigger on the stack at the end step.
Yeah we misspoke for sure on the trigger stacking. Our pinned comment tried to clarify this exact situation . Thanks !
Manaweft sliver?
Gemhide sliver?
Each Sliver taps for two mana of any color?
If you have both, all slivers have two instances of taps for one of any color, not taps for two of any color.
@@dudemcfurgusson7179 good to know, thank you
Rather than Sundial of the Infinite, consider Evolutionary Leap. It does more than just make use of the encore tokens. It also makes spot removal and mass removal less punishing. And it costs pennies.
Sundial allows us to exile the sacrifice trigger from the encore ability so we can keep our tokens forever. It's a pretty awesome card for this commander!
Removing Blade Sliver, Spiteful Sliver, and Bonesplitter Sliver is wild to me.
“Yeah. I don’t like redundant effects in. Sliver deck build around redundant effects.” Sure. Other cards do similar things- But those are an effective +3/+0, triple damage back to a player or planeswalker when slivers take damage, and +6/+0.
Spiteful sliver turns something like a Blasphemous Act into a WinCon. 13 damage to each sliver? Even if you only have the grave other, and three spiteful slivers? That’s 156 points of damage target player or planeswalker.
Even with only 2 copies and grave mother, that’s still 78 damage you can toss around however you like.
Wild.
I just bought this precon and trying to edit it myself. I was thinking of putting Blasphemous Act into this deck for spiteful, but I feel like for the most part it just hurts you most of the time. Has it worked a bunch for you?
First time watching the channel and a little late to comment. I do like your updates I would only change one thing the lands. I would put the bond lands instead of shocks only for the fact that I can get two times the amount lands and they are almost always untapped in commander.
Damn, I've always hated using sliver lords, and now they make sense. This deck is WAY less toolkit than traditional sliver builds.
why would you cut the discard sliver in the graveyard sliver deck seems silly to not build around the commander
You could totally lean into that! It was just an underwhelming sliver in play testing.
Crippling fear completely destroyed a goblin deck I was playing against.
Sundial of the infinite doesn’t work here right because Gravemothers ability says “Sacrifice them at the beginning of the next end step” so basically the person your versing. So it’s pointless here
Correct me if I’m wrong because you can only activate it during your turn soo
You can activate sundial in response to the end step trigger. Gets around sacrificing them!
@@GuysThatMagic Ok cool good to know
If you have 3 opponents and Kindred Discovery; when you Encore, do you draw 1 for each, or just once?
You'll draw 3 cards in that scenario! You draw for each creature entering the battlefield.
you will draw 6, because there are 3 sliver etb, and 3 sliver attach
Out of curiosity, would Sundial work with cards like Firewake Sliver as well?
Wow you cut spiteful? I have won dozens of games with just spiteful slivers effect.
im thinking of using the pathway lands
Yeah, if you have any other strong lands in your collection you should totally swap them out!
It's inexcusable how bad these mana bases are for a "premium" product. I could understand not reprinting the fetches (although, every now and then it would be nice) but there's no reason slow fetches and shitty etb tapped lands should be in these. A shock land reprint wouldn't kill them, and it's absolutely disgusting that the battlebond lands weren't included, at the very least.
I think Bloomtender is a bad call... seems pointless to have something that can't produce the color that you need in a crunch
Any deck with Mardu colors I play gets a Crackling Doom. I kinda want to learn some cock magic tricks for directly after playing it...
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Sluver gravemother/the one ring/mind over matter/conspiracy. 😂😂 you dont even need to destroy the legend rule with this..even tho you did
100$ upgrade of a sliver deck... mana base, done lol
Yeah that can easily eat up the budget!
That is what I done😂
So I'm gonna play the sliver gravemother and then play conspiracy completely destroying the legend rule when I name slivers. Then I'm going to traumatize myself and play slivers from the graveyard at will. So for 20 COLORLESS I can bring 4 15 15 indestructible w.e of the same legend in play at the same time and if your still not dead ill keep casting 4 of the same legend from the graveyard every turn for colorless mana 😂😂let's goooooo