Cleaning Watch Parts - Seiko 6309 (5000 Sub Giveaway Series)
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- Hi Guys, in this view I show you how I clean watch parts for the Seiko 6309 5000 sub giveaway series. This method can be applied to any mechanical watch. This one is particularly dirty (suggest you watch this video first • Seiko 6309 Stripdown 5...
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Top tip. If you live in a hard water area try using distilled water instead of tap water. This eliminates the risk of leaving a tiny film of dissolved inorganic calcium salts on the components found in hard water. Also use the same for rinsing off after cleaning. Distilled water can be expensive so I have a dehumidifier in my workshop to keep the humidity down to a safe level at aroun 45/ 50% . This way I also collect as much distilled water as I need. I also add a few drops of rinse agent, the sort you add to a dishwasher, the cheapest brand will do. This helps prevent water beading and thus aids drying. Oh, and never ever put your fingers in the ultrasonic whilst it's working, it'll cook your fingers no prizes for guessing how I found that one out.
That's clever. Dehumidifier water and dishwasher rinse agent. Kudos
I have never watched a YT ad. Not going to either. However, I’ll work something out, so as I can say thank you and show my appreciation for your efforts.
That's why I use TH-cam premium. Only $9 a month. I don't see any adds ever but the channel still gets the credit for me viewing the video as if I watched the ad. It's work the $9 to me because I watch so much youtube and you can also download videos to watch back later without service and my kids use that feature for videos right before bed when camping.
Best cleaning video I have ever seen. Need a lot of stuff now and do all my 4006 movements again.
Good video Mike you have some fantastic tools/machinery to do your restoration repairs with. Thanks for the shout out. You are doing a great thing here. Much appreciated. Honestly there was no way I would have tried to service a watch if I hadn’t come across you videos. Cheers
I love these videos ... Really great bringing life to old watches
Another cracking video. Just got my first nonrunning pocket watch to try and fix.
I'm finding these great. The cleaning vids I very much appreciate. Hoping to do this sort of thing myself. I've bought tools and quite a few problem watches to start trying out service and cleaning watches. Thanks again.
I am glad to read my videos are inspiring you, (this is the aim of the whole channel) good luck with your future projects.
Wonderful and in-depth! The 6309 is a great watch, glad you’re restoring it and I’m glad I stumbled upon your channel!
Muhammad Ans Molai thank you for watching and subscribing (hopefully) hope you enjoy my content
My Retro Watches absolutely! Already subbed this afternoon 😁
I really enjoy watching your videos because I am learning.
Thank you.
Appreciate your comment.
Those parts look fantastic now! The watch will tick smoothly for sure!
Agustin Aguilar let’s wait and see. I am hopeful however there still could be wear on the pivots in places ...
Wanted to get my passed Grandpa's old 6119C square Seiko serviced. Was quoted quite a substantial amount, so instead bought the tools for half the price and stumbled upon your channel. Gotta thank you for the time you've taken and the vids you've made that have given me the confidence to have a crack myself. Currently have the movement apart and will let you know once it's back together! 👍
Sorry for your loss. Hopefully you will get the watch working, if you have questions or need help consider joining my facebook group as there is lots of help in there. link is in the description.
Very interesting to watch the whole restoration process! It's looking good!
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I love old advertisements and stuff from the '50's! 😀 That's very cool that you have the original booklet for the Brenray machine!
SPICY BEAR thanks . It was pure luck to be given the advert. Sometimes the stars align 😂
Looking forward putting it together
C'est véritablement un travail de professionnelle .
I like the amount of detail you invest in your work.
Thank you
Thanks Michael you are inspirational. Especially your videos about cleaning watches with US cleaner as most of us aspiring amateur watch enthusiast don't have a watch cleaning machine. I certainly am going to try your US methods. Would be lovely to see the whole process with Detergent then grying then the Essance of renata and finally IPA in the US machine. thanks again for your content.
Thank you for your kind words. I have done several videos on cleaning but now I do have a watch cleaning machine so I have moved up I guess into the hobby.
Just found your channel and have been watching your videos, back to back!! Brilliant.. I am an amateur watch and clock tinkerer and your methods are just what I have been looking for. I am in the throws of restoring a 6139 Pogue and am in the middle of a 7002A divers. I like my Accutrons and old electric watches as well.. Great work, I'll be watching more and more. Every day is a school day.. Thanks..
Thanks for the praise. I’ve gone a few pogues now and recorded one for the channel too. I don’t profess to be anything more than a hobbyist. You will see my mistakes as they happen in my videos!
@@MyRetroWatches Same here, I am self taught by tinkering and reading up on some of the De Carle books, and watching videos of course as well.. I have made a lot of mistakes in my time, (and still am), but the man who made no mistakes, didn't learn anything.. Very good though, keep it up..
At least you know the names of everything.. love your work. I am doing collected pieces from the war.... 3 to do...
I absolutely love these videos. Keep them coming! Thank you
William Edwardovich thank you. Pleased you enjoy the channel
Thanks Mike. Very good video
Magníficos videosde esta restauración, felicitaciones
Great video, and very interesting to se how you clean the watch parts. I don't have a watch cleaning machine like you, so I use an ultrasonic cleaner, and it works great too. Looking foreward to se the assembly of the watch.
Ole Johan Pålsrud thank you Ole. Cleaning machines are great and make things allot easier. This video combined both methods I use because of how dirty it was. Thanks for your support as always
Good job the parts are shining
When my dad died, he left me a 1976 Seiko Turtle with a 6309 movement that didn't work. I wanted a working keepsake but didn't know what to do. That was just over a year ago and I've somehow found myself a graduate of Mark Lovick's watchmaking lessons and a collector of sorts, of 6309 movements. You can imagine how excited I was to find this video. I'd begun to feel I was the only person in the world trying to save a dinosaur, non-hacking, non-winding vestige of Seiko history. Cheers, Brother and happy tinkering!
Chris Bannister thanks . Marks courses are great for the beginner . I have already done a series on the 6309 that you can find in my playlist. Also more videos on this giveaway coming very soon . Ironically I have a turtle in for service now that I will film too!
If you have any questions just ask me
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Nice video i enjoy to see how you clean de parts thnks keep making this type of video,s 👍👍
I used a ultra sonic cleaner for many years but eventually purchased a dedicated watch cleaning machine. The difference is remarkable in terms of cleanliness and ease of the cleaning process. The pearl retails at approx £500 and in my opinion is worth every penny. PS I still use the ultra sonic for clock parts.
Come across this channel by accident, glad I did , I collect a variety of watches more modern stuff, but recently bought a 94, seiko 7002 , a1 , and love the fact that I can wear a watch that’s 25 yrs old that keeps reasonable time, but has been polished and modded , subbed and will look through your vids and look forward to your future videos , thanks Shane uk 🇬🇧
shaneweightman thanks Shane , glad you found my channel. Seikos are so robust I have found 40+ year old watches still running well completely unserviced. Joy of them is you can date them to the month and year so what you want to try to do is find a birth year watch! ( putting ideas into your head now)
Thanks for subscribing
@@MyRetroWatches I was born in 64 think they used sun dials for time back in them days ha l o l
Thanks for such an instructive video
Thank you
Interesting and thorough quick course. I would think, considering the cost of the cleaning solution for the watch cleaning machine, that you might want to strain them through a dense flexible cloth or other similar material, therefore keeping the cleaner but tossing the trash. Maybe even a chamois cloth. Just a thought that might save a few (or more) bucks.
GREAT video! Appreciatr for this.
Great working what can I say.. .. thank you!!
Hi Sir!
Thanks for such a detailed content! It is really helpful!
Really appreciated!
Sharoon Javaid happy you enjoy my channel
Nicely done Mike.
I want to build my own watch and appreciate your your amazon tool suggestion page.
Timothy Thomas thank you very much
Loved this video. Good job. Thanks.
Absolutely fascinating video
Thanks for the informative video 👍
Very informative video as always Mike, thank you.
Phillip MacIver glad you enjoyed this one
That Brenray is uber cool!
Thanks, Mike. It was a great video.
Thank you for the video 👏👏👏
Glad to have found you Mike - I'm a fifty two year old Seiko retro relic myself! atb snack.
snacklofter welcome to the channel .
When the water comes out *that* dirty I’d personally be extremely tempted to just drain it off and refill it for a second cycle.
I like your videos lots of new things i learned, thanks !
soft man thank you .
I found your channel because I wanted to learn servicing watches (I thought it's a good place to start), but the more I watch your videos, the harder it seems. There is more to learn than I thought :(
It can seem overwhelming but its not. Start slowly with some basic tools and take loads of photos of the movement as you take each part off and that way you have a record of how it call goes back. Its only on when you have done one that you realise its not so difficult. However thats when you want to get better, more tools and then cleaning / timing becomes important to you. its a gradual thing. I have only been doing this for around 2.1/2 years although I have got a bit obsessed.
Great work !
22:28 That's amazing that hey had ultrasonic machines back then.
I hope you make disassembly for 4205 series. Thanks for the good content.
Very enlightening. Discovered your channel a few nights back and slowly working through the previous clips. Hoping you might have a review of the scope you are using.
Thank you for finding my channel and watching the content. I have not yet done a scope review and really need to as I get asked a lot about it. I will put it on the list of videos to do.
This is an excellent channel, Mike. I really like your approach. I have to keep reminding myself that I'm not watching a young Mark Williams. Which was nice...
Steve Speck thanks. Haha I can put on my Black Country accent if you like as I’m quite good at it.
“Today , I’ve been mostly eating Bourbon biscuits “
@@MyRetroWatches Hahahahaha...
Really good job
Luv ur videos thanx
Very informative videos - just about to start on my first restore, a 1974 smiths pocket watch, so your videos are perfect for me. Didn't catch the name of the polishing compound you used to remove the rust and polish though. Can you please advise?
Good morning, thank you for another interesting video, I really appreciate your willingness to share your knowledge, I wish you a lot of health. Could I ask for advice on ultrasonic washing, because Cousins does not send liquids like Renata and similar to Ireland, I have liquid Elma 1:9,IPA 99.9,ligher fluid,in what order should the parts be washed and then rinsed safely so that they do not rust, etc..? hope I'm not asking too much, thank you very much...
I've got a huge can of fast panel wipe and wondered if that is any good for putting in a ultrasonic as it says on the paperwork its good for degreasing especially instruments and dials as I use it for spray painting in between layers and is good stuff. Fills my daughters lighters a treat too hehe
I used for ultrasonic: Case - vinegar and hot water or fairy,
Balance - medical gasoline,
Other parts: alcohol 90%.
Re-watching this puzzle :)
Just come across your channel
I want to get into watch servicing and repairs as a hobby
I’ve just bought an old Seiko with a 6309 movement to strip down and follow your playlist, hopefully the first of many
Hello and thank you for your comment . This is a great hobby with plenty of highs and lows. Good luck with the 6309
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Hi Michael, I’m Simon Codd on your FB group 👍
Sorry, meant to add that the video is very useful. I'm just starting out and have yet to buy any cleaning equipment. Thank you.
Very interesting and informative. Out of curiosity how did you learn how to restore (assemble/disassemble) watches. I work on very fine stuff in electronics design work (0.002" tolerances) and enjoy the fine movement skills under my microscope. Did you take classes or just wing it ? I'm reluctant to try a rebuild of some old pocket watches I have and would someday like to restore them (with the proper knowledge on how to do this).
Hi Mike. EXCELLENT stuff again. I am watching this series with interest (if you pardon the pun!). I have about a million (small exaggeration) Omega 1022 movements all with subtly different problems. Test yourself, try an Omega 1022 movement and make it work repeatable. When you find out how, please tell me!! Cheers pal.
The smaller the movement the challenge becomes more interesting . Bigger magnification mainly. I have done a ladies Seiko 2### series and those things are smaller than a penny.
I’d love to win the watch, but I honestly don’t care ... thoroughly loving this series!
Thanks, good luck and stay turned for the last one to find out how to win. (probably another 2-3 vidoes away!)
hi mike, great video, have learnt so much on ultrasonics thank you. can you use the small baskets in your mechanical cleaner ?
or would they rattle about too much? cheers
I use the baskets in my Watch cleaning machine all the time
Very informative video on cleaning! Where did you buy the ultrasonic cleaner? Thanks again Mike!
Dennis Zamora amazon and eBay. I have a link on my website to Amazon . Please look here myretrowatches.com/tool-sale-links/
Finally I found you. It has been long time.
Kaz!! You should have said on Instagram and I could have given you the link
I basically use this exact process with the exception of using a different brand sonic cleaner. That's it, and everytime I wash all of the high torque (steel) parts like the canon pinion they come out rusted. I don't know why. I'll pull them out of the alcohol stage and place them in a mason jar with a heat gun to dry, to which they'll come out looking fine but after 3 hours there's always a layer of surface rust over all of them and I have to bust out the scratch brush to remove it. Interestingly, after I remove the rust with a scratch brush and wash it in alcohol (making it look good again) the rust comes back in another 3 hours. I'll also add that no other watch part does this, either on different watches, or on new parts I order, just on the ones I wash using the Naptha+Distilled Rinse+Cleaner+Distilled Rinse+Alcohol+Dry process. It's driving me insane.
Nice video! So I have just one question. Will you make a video how to oil the watch? there are not many videos that can sharpen everything so sharply. Thats now the only thing I’m missing.
In the future I want to purchase a vintage not running Seiko and try to get it back running my self!
your videos have inspired me to finally take the step to try it my self!
mark pronk I will show oiling as best I can probably under the scope. On many recent build videos I have done this .
Mike, that was actually fascinating. It's tempting to scrape some of it, but I know the damage that would do. I am a bit curious as to why you didn't do the dial? Wouldn't it have been relatively safe to at least put it in the ultrasonic cleaner? At any rate, I'm really enjoying your videos! Many thanks.
Dials are often lacquered and the decals are transfers so you run the risk of removing them. My only cleaning method for a dial is rodico and on occasion a Q tip with saliva. As its the dial we look at the most I do not want to risk ruining this one.
I use white vinegar,a touch of degreaser I give a couple sprays of deGreaser,Rubbing Alcohol alcohol,and a part of ammonia. To run in the ultrasonic cleaner
Great Video!, so detailed, loved it. Quick question, how do you separate top and bottom jewels during cleaning?, i know it's a problem if you get them mixed up during assembly. Thanks again. Adrian 🍀🍀
Thanks. My understanding is the Seiko 6309 shock jewels are the same size so I have washed them together. I guess if we have problems in regulating then that will be the cause. I have done this before on a 6 series without a problem.
Hi, What type of cleaning fluid and rinse fluid do you use ? Thank you....
I'm rebuilding a Seiko 7009A and find that some parts are slightly magnetised. I think I have seen something blue on your bench which might be a demagnetiser from Amazon at anything from £8 to £15. Does it work? Keep up the great videos which I dip in and out of for specific info. Thank you.
I have the same Brenray washing machine. Where do you get spares from?
Loving your videos ! It really shows the amount of effort, time and passion you put in this. You really are inspiring . I hope one day I will take a shot at this.
Asking as pure curiosity, have you tried WD-40 in the ultrasonic cleaning machine?
Hi, I have not tried WD40. I use water in the tank and cleaning fluids in the jars.
@@MyRetroWatches I ment using WD-40 in the jars
@@MyRetroWatches I ment using WD-40 in the jars
WD-40 dissolves brass
We have not machines in my country therefore we use only the solvant oil or you can say clear white and pure gasoline for service watch machines only and a hand brush. May you advised any other components or detergents in reply for cleaning watch machines.
I like it!! One thing you could do, if it's possible, is to edit before and after shots of the cleaned parts!!
Ville Pyykkö this is true but allot more time consuming. I know it would look good but my editing is not great plus my videos are not really planned or scripted I just start recording and talk
@@MyRetroWatches maybe some day then 😁👍
Great video, the advert was for an ultrasonic machine😆
C M B thanks . Really? The TH-cam advert?
@@MyRetroWatches Yeah, a UK brand, forgot the name will try and find out.
It was Kemet. I have now seen it myself. I know that company from my day job ironically.
Great video. What model cleaner is that. Is it a 2L. Thanks
Yes the 2ltr
As always awesome work!!!
By the way, have you ever clean up a movement by hand and if so any tips on how to do it?
Diego David Reyes thank you. I have only used cleaning fluids and an ultrasonic .
By hand you would need patience and peg wood , rodico and a lot of time under a microscope
@@MyRetroWatches thanks, i guess is time to save for an ultrasonic or for a washer
Cool white would love to win it can you show repair of a vintage Timex 1960s if you have the availability to do so would greatly appreciate it learn a lot from your videos
I'm looking for a ratchet ring for a Seiko turtle 6309-7049, vintage 1984. I'd be open to moding it, or just fixing it. Biggest thing is finding the ring. I own more expensive watches, but the wife bought it our 1st Christmas, so it's a sentimental thing. I'd just like it complete in so form. Thanks, I'll be watching. No pun intended.
Do u use alcohol to dry ?
Where did you get that yellow parts tray?
There is an easier way of cleaning the balance than doing it separately.
Mount the balance assembly in its place on the main plate and after doing so remove its diashock jewels.
You can then throw the main plate with the mounted balance in with the rest of the parts for cleaning.
Much safer than fiddling with the balance on its own and it will get a better clean.
That's how I do it anyway.
Have you ever tried polishing the inside of the barrel to remove / reduce the scouring of the mainspring?
No, that would be really hard to get in there and removing any material could take it out or round. Dont forget that spring is under one hell of allot of tension inside the barrel on a full wind.
So, how many fairies does it take to create 1 gram of Fairy Liquid?
I have one that the hour hand doesn’t work. I have the moving hand watch also.
Hi Mike! You are the Seiko guru, can you tell me how the indices on a 7009 are fitted plz? Are they glued or just a friction fit? Just dropped my favourite and dislodged two markers.
I can’t answer that dials can be different for each watch. Generally Seiko are friction fit on two pins.
Hi there, love your videos and you've certainly inspired me to have a go, anything, you wanted a few more comments so here's mine, I'd like to see a video that gives a bit of guidance on applying oil to a watch movement as there don't appear to be much info out there about this.
A bit of a guide as to where to apply oil, how to apply oil, what type of oil to apply, grease or oil, mineral or synthetic, what viscosity, etc, etc.
Thanks. Oiling is very subjective and I am not a pro by any means however I will be showing as much of the oiling here as I can so will talk you though this on the rebuild video. If you look at some of my more recent build videos I show oiling in those eg 7s26 series
Thank's, look forward to that.
Mike - do you have a source (link) for those yellow compartment trays? I don't think I saw a link in your tools page. Thanks
Arthur Leyenberger cousins only Arthur
www.cousinsuk.com/product/compartment-tray-revolving
Hi, I will be working my way through your video back-catalogue.
I was wondering, if, in an upcoming video, you could quickly mention where you got the yellow "parts-carousel."
This looks like a very handy gizmo, and I wouldn't mind having one!
Cheers
Paddy
Paddy thank you sir. Hope you find the videos interesting.
The yellow tray came from Cousinsuk my watch parts supplier / wholesaler
@@MyRetroWatches Ah ! Thanks for your reply. I am a customer of theirs, so I shall order one, if they are still available.
And yes, I do find the videos interesting, especially since you have a few regarding subjects,such as oiling, approached in a novel way.
I shall be subscribing once I have worked my way through the lot...
Cheers
Paddy
Paddy www.cousinsuk.com/product/compartment-tray-revolving
How did your manage to put the ultrasonic on 50C with so little water? I did something similar at 30C and the machine started smoking. I don't know if there wasn't enough water to soak up the great generated from the ultrasonic waves, or if the wire insulation was burning up. But everyone i turn on the heating element i smell a burning smell.
Never had any problems with heating with 50mm + of water.
My cleaner is only 2L
I hope and am sure this old gal will tick again! I have a bit of a thing for the 70,s at the moment. Just a question ,did those tweezers also magnatise the escape wheel. I think way too much? I fabricate and fix most things to my wife's dismay because I can but these tiny machines are too much for my fumbling digits and eyes that need glasses just to see and type this! I hate buying new when old can be kept going.Cheers.
Do you know how to change bezel insert for omega 200 pre bond watch?
Sorry not really. On Seikos you remove the bezel and heat with say a hairdryer as they are glued in position so the heat softens enough to remove. Then you buy these bezel adhesive disc things to then stick down the new one. Cant say Omega do the same though but I would assume so.
Are the pallet fork jewels held in with shellac....?
yes they are.
Cousinsuk doesn't ship essence Renata to Europe :/ Do you know where i can buy It?
Great video! :)
Giuliano Fiorotto sadly no. I buy from cousins and eBay . Like I said in the video it’s not available everywhere. Not sure why it can’t be shipped to Europe, maybe because it’s highly flammable
Is it ok to clean a metal bracket in the metal basket? Will it scratch?
I’ve never scratched anything in the ultrasonic
Can't wait for the regret video on a Cheap Chinese ultrasonic cleaner.
That’s up to you. Mine lasted 5 years. I now actually have a proper watch cleaning machine.
Also to add that if you are to clean watch parts in an ultrasonic you don’t want a strong one as it can potentially damage the more delicate parts.
I have no regret on the cleaner and when it did give up I just bought the same model again which I use to clean bracelets and often hairspring’s in a solvent solution .