As a former Canon user using Sony these days I can't deny that I would have liked to put my hands on the R5 but I really don't have so much cash to be going back and forth so I will stick to what I have and try to get the best out of it.
It's okay.. I am sure Sony will release better cameras in the near future and you can use what you already have instead of completely switching over :)
@@AdrianChoPhotography I don't know why they drop down the fps if the battery below 60%...... Sony A9 doesn't slow down if the battery getting low, does it???
@@AdrianChoPhotography the R5 Mechanical Shutter is limited by temperature i.e. it has to be below 23 degC to use the 12 fps MS otherwise it'll drop to 9 fps or even 6 fps depending on the temperature. Read the manual...p452.
I am with Canon for many years and have alot of EF lenses, I love Canon but getting the R5 is like a complete whole system which I need to buy all the lens and camera again. I ended up getting the A9ii and it works pretty well with my EF lens. I think it's not an easy decision for Canon people to buy the R5 or R6 if they are from the EF mount.
Samuel Hui thanks for your thoughts. That’s very interesting to hear about the route you’ve taken. I hope it’s all working out for you. Thanks for watching!
You know the EF to R adapter is relatively cheap and adapts Canon EF beautifully to mirrorless, right? The adapter supports continuous autofocus and functions anew.
In the video, it stated the f11 lenses (which are useless in my photography) had limited AF. But It's not till you add a 1.4 or 2.0x tc where they get hobbled. LOL, never thought I'd say that, 2.0x TC and F11 lens with AF...but still all the LCD footage of various TH-camrs suggest that's true. I do wish Canon would just let people share files, but I assume they don't want lower dynamic range to spoil the preorder party.
@@AdrianChoPhotography, I originally thought the f/11 limitations were a little better, but the Canon South Africa rep mentioned a DSLR-like focusing area on the two f/11 lenses on the R5/R6. 40% by 60% focus area, and significantly smaller with the TCs attached.
Does anyone know if there are any issues using the EF adapters with R5? Will the IBIS, eye autofocus, EVF, etc still work just as well? I seem to remember that there was some issues with the Sony adapters when their stuff came out. I have like 9 lenses and a Canon 5d Mark III I just photographed yesterday and was doing to sell. Was considering going with the Sony A7R IV but if I could keep my glass and get the R5 and have it functioning well - there would be no reason to quickly dump all of my gear to update systems. Perhaps we will have to wait and see for others to do these tests? Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Thanks!
Hi Charles. To my knowledge, while there are certainly some limitations with adapting EF lenses to Sony bodies, there are no limitations I've heard of when adapting with the R5.
What are your thoughts about the Sony A7s iii for wildlife photography? paired with a Sony 200-600mm maybe. I probably won't need to crop when using the 600mm and I can easly shoot at iso 16,000 because this lens isn't so bright
Hi Bishoy Zak. So I actually am planning to make a video about exactly that this week. Bottom line is I personally don’t think many people will choose it as an option for wildlife photography simply because of the resolution. Of course you do have those big pixels and what appears to be dual ISO at 80 and 16000 but I think for most people, the cost of the low resolution is not something they will be willing to take on considering the drop in resolution. I do however think that the camera bodes well for what we might see in future A7 and A9 models.
Bishop, so I have an A7SIII on order and although I don’t have a 200-600 I will do some simulated tests at apertures around f6.3 and I’ll make a video about it.
Unfortunately it will be a while as the camera is not being released until September 24 and that’s assuming I’m in the first group to get one but I’m looking forward to it.
I am wondering what is possible by taking short 8k/30 Clips and extract the 32MB RAW images out of this stream. Would that not offer a lot of possibilities for Wildlife? Beside of that, the R5 does not impress me at all. The Sony A7R4 and Sony A9 II offer me all what I need. And I agree, the A7R4 needs a top lens like a 400mm 2.8 GM or 600mm 4.0 GM.
Hey Stefan. That’s a very interesting thought. The thing is that I believe, from what I’ve read, including something about reviewers not being allowed to talk about it, is that the 8K has bad rolling shutter. We will see... Thanks for watching!
Adrian Cho Photography That is what I thought too. The rolling shutter on the 1DX Mark III is horrible in Live View Mode, I don’t expect the R5 being better in this regard...so no R5 for me 😀
Something not discussed that I'm very curious about is the dynamic range and also how the ISO's work, will it be the same variant design they've used in the past and will shadows get funky when we bring them up if necessary. Coming from Canon to Sony that was the biggest thing I noticed, no longer was was there a need to shoot 2 or 3 frames and do the HDR process. Losing the extreme flexibility to push and pull RAW files would make the Canon a dealbreaker for me. Looking forward to real world reviews (honest ones).
robwas from what I’ve seen Canon were saying the R5 would have one step of range over the EOS R which had 13.5 stops so that would put it very close to the A7RIV. Although the EOS R was somewhat, but not completely ISO invariant, I was guessing they would make the R5 ISO invariant but we’ll see. The current reviews are definitely leaving out a lot of details and my understanding is the “reviewers” were told that certain topics were not to be discussed. I’ve seen many cases where they are trying to avoid answering questions asked in comments such as what the rolling shutter is like.
@@AdrianChoPhotography I have a feeling as your review stated that this camera will be a logical choice for current Canon users but nothing revolutionary or even that useful for those already using other systems. Noise at high ISO's is something I hope reviewers really put to the test and compare to other systems.
I now have my R5 Adrian, here's my 10 cents worth 😁 R5 arrived yesterday :-) Just returned from the beach with my R5 +70-200 F2.8. I shoot Manual +auto ISO always and took 850 Seagull images mostly L jpg and some RAW, and 8 two minute clips in all video options apart from 8K. Used E shutter mostly @20fps ( they don't count as actuations :-) ) but tried mechanical and E front curtain shutter @12 fps. Used tracking /servo mode and all images in focus apart from four which was probably my fault as I use BBF and didn't focus before hitting the shutter. Tracking is excellent and gulls in focus were easily acquired , even their eyes were picked out using the animal option. Set 120 hz refresh rate using E shutter, no obvious blackout or lag, @ 60hz more noticeable but still a lot better than the EOS R was, so no issues @20fps for BIF shots and no warped images either . Viewfinder ... when looking at stationary subjects if you wiggle/wave camera about fast it looked a bit queazy, but why anyone would want to do that other than me I don't know :-) Colours are beautiful in stills and video as you would expect from Canon and ISO up to 12800 is my default setting in ISO AUTO max settings. This setting was 3200 on my EOS R and 5D4 so ISO levels have improved a lot. I tried the Focus bracketing, select number of shots , the amount of focus movement, and exposure smoothing over whole subject, hand held @ 1/500 f2.8 iso 100, 12 images front to back of a crab , hit the shutter once and as if by magic 12 images all ready to be stacked as one. This option uses E shutter also to minimise vibration, and with 8 stops of stability available no tripod needed. Great for Macro with bugs that might move, point the camera and 20 stacked shots in a second ! A firmware update is due soon according to Canon rumours to fix a few things. The weather was unusually warm for Scotland .. 24"C in the shade 30 in the open, No overheating issues and no warnings in camera. Used Sandisk CFexpress and SD cards. Am I happy ? :-) ps. tracking isn't as clever as Sony, but we all know that 👍 More info, went out this morning down the beach, R5 +Canon 300mm f2.8mkii. 1/3200 F4 ISO auto, servo, tracking ,E shutter H+ 20fps. Tried it out on the most difficult of subjects, House martins ( look like small swallows the size of your finger) darting and weaving all over the place from about 20 metres which meant they were only filling about 2% of the frame. Most reviews on TH-cam show some "expert tracking humans or large frame filling birds like Herons, which quite frankly are easy meat and don't really challenge the camera or the photographer for that matter. I always pre focus before taking a shot to ensure the quickest possible focus acquisition to avoid delay with lens hunting. The R5 nailed most of them against the sky but struggled a wee bit with them coming towards me , zig zagging all over the place, but to be fair these were very difficult shots to expect 100% success as anyone who has tried will tell you! The Sony A9II on a good prime lens would have nailed them all but that's about £15,000 / $20,000 worth of gear ! Never the less, the Canon 300mm f2.8 MKII is probably Canons fastest lens for wildlife. R5 had no probs with everything else including small very fast waders like Knot and Dunlin skimming the waves. No issues with the R5, looking forward to using it next week on Eagles, no excuse for less then 100% with these birds 👍
Chas Moonie thank you for taking the time to share all this information. It just so happens that I was planning to make a video today to comment on some of the recent videos I’ve been seeing about the R5 and talk about how I think the animal AF looks very impressive. From everything I can tell, the R5 AF and tracking is excellent and better than what Sony has however it may not be as good in the most challenging of situations. I’ve heard, for example, that it is not as effective with busy backgrounds. That’s fantastic that you are not getting any artifacts from the electronic shutter. Feel free to drop in and chat about this on my Discord server anytime. In any case, thanks again for sharing here. Sounds like a great purchase and I’m super happy for you. I look forward to hearing more.
@@AdrianChoPhotography it probably depends on the lenses used Adrian, but I would say my A9II +200-600 can track better than my R5 +300mm F2.8 Mkii when trying to acquire focus on a small fast agile bird like a Swallow against a messy background. Apart from this they are both about equal on everything else when it comes to tracking. Big bonus for the R5 is the 45mp and the Canon colours
I don't see how you can compare the R5 to both the A7r4 and the A9ii. either compare the R5 to the A7rv or compare the R5 to the A9ii The A9ii has a stacked sensor and can shoot 24mp shots at the 20fps. the A7rv doesn't have a stacked sensor so will have the same issue as the R5 when using the electronic shutter and the readout would be considerably worse as its a 60mp sensor. The R5 shoot at 45mp @12fps mechanical and 20fps electronic and also offers the facilty to use small and medium raw file sizes and compressed raw. You should compare the R5 to the A7r4 as a high resolution camera and the R5 to the A9ii as a sports camera (as with the new battery grip with fast 5ghz connection and LAN connectivity on the R5 this would be a better comparison)
Dee thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. I thought I did do exactly that? I compared it primarily to the A7RIV, and noted that it doesn’t have as much resolution, and I compared it to the A9II, only really because they are claiming 20 FPS for it. I agree with you on the A7RIV’s electronic shutter but the A7RIV doesn’t claim a higher FPS with that mode so I feel like it doesn’t have any aspirations of being a camera for capturing fast or sustained action.
As a Canon shooter with a 600 IS II, I’m not as excited about the R5 as I thought I’d be. I’m reserving final judgment until actual reviews are out but information is already trickling in that’s showing some major weaknesses in key specs. The biggest one I’ve seen is that 12fps mechanical is only capable when using the new battery at 60% or higher capacity and under room temperature. Those caveats both significantly reduce the appeal of using the mechanical shutter and based on the readout speed of the R6’s sensor at ~19ms, it seems fairly evident that the readout speed of the R5 will be an issue when using the electronic shutter for action. Also, $3900 is a ton of money when, for my use-case the a7R III would probably be pretty close in performance at a fraction of the cost.
Hi Adrian, Very informative stills comparison between the R5 vs A7R4 vs A92. I just bought the A9 almost new for a very good price for fast action sports work. I am still missing a high resolution stills camera and a video camera. I shoot about 75% stills and 25% video but plan this year to do 50/50. I’ve only been doing it for 1.5yrs but learning fast. I’m unable to do it full time quite yet. I’ve been eyeing the A7R4 for stills + A7S3 when it is released or go with the R5 with one body that does both. My thinking is leaning towards what you said, one brand and get the best performers so two bodies (A7R4 + A7S3). Or two brands (R5 for stills and A7S3 for video) but then I need to learn how to color grade to match the two, if it’s even possible (stills with R5 + video with A7S3) I have a couple more questions: 1) since Sony does not allow L, M, S raw files, are you using 61MP and Super35 mode? Am curious how you handle the large files when not needed? 2) R5 does HEIF which if I understand correctly is 10bit JPEG files. I don’t see anywhere that talks about this. Is the quality substantially better than 8bit JPEGs or you just shoot raw? Curious to understand this better. Thanks in advance for sharing and keep the content coming! 🙏
Nomad 24 thanks for watching. Lots of good questions. I made this video a while back (th-cam.com/video/IC1NVkJIoS0/w-d-xo.html) about using crop mode on the A7RIV and why you might want to do it in the camera instead of in post. Check it out and let me know if you have any questions. So basically yes I do sometimes use it and in fact I have crop mode set up as the button on my Sony lenses that have the “focus hold” button which can be reassigned. I definitely only ever shoot raw and don’t bother with JPEG and highly recommend that you do that unless you have no intention to ever edit your images which I think could be a huge missed opportunity. I don’t spend a ton of time in editing like some people but it is definitely a very important part of the creative process that begins in the camera and continues in the “digital darkroom” and if you’re shooting JPEG you will be very constrained in what you can do in editing. If you take an incredible image and have only taken it in JPEG (even 10-bit) you will have lost a lot of information that you’ll never be able to get back. Even 12-bit or 14-bit HEIF is still nothing compared to everything that is stored in a RAW file. Think about it as the difference between a 16-bit lossless file compared to a 10-bit (or whatever) compressed file. RAW gives you ultimate flexibility with your image in post. Regarding the file sizes of the 61 MP images, I haven’t found it to be an issue at all in terms of storage, editing, etc. It CAN be an issue with the buffer with the A7RIV if you are shooting fast action or sustained action and I did talk about that a bit in a review I made of the A7RIVl last October. Hope that helps. Feel free to respond or hop onto the Discord server and we can chat some more. Cheers.
Warren Griffin. Thanks for chiming in. Very interesting. Can you share more details? Anything you particuluarly liked or didn’t like about either camera in the comparison?
Probably a nice camera but I would miss my 61 megapixels and battery life. I would also need to use adapters to get fast long primes, meaning one more place where electrical contacts might fail, and one more place to let in dust or moisture. The new long prime R lenses will not give you the same subject isolation as a 400/2.8 or a 600/4. They will also raise the iso to levels where noise becomes a problem. The animal eye AF sounds interesting though. All in all, the EOS R5 is probably no threat to Sony, but Sony may need to look out for more mature technology in EOS R5 mk iii
I disagree that it is no threat. Understand, many Sony shooters made the jump to Sony for features. It's not unthinkable to see the opposite. But I will say, Sony shooters should feel confident that they have a solid camera, and there's no reason to jump ship because a better camera arrived on scene. As with all things in this business, it works on fast moving cycles. Next release Sony very well maybe back on top. But also note, I think this camera is the answer to the mid-resolution camera market where the 5D4 occupied. They are still rumored to be releasing a high res cam to match the A7r4 or 5 by that time. Considering they had a DSLR size prototype with 100 MPs for years, the possibility of a 75+ MPs cam seems to be a very possible release. Interesting times we live in...
I’m sure Canon has some wildlife rf fast lenses in the works, they are pretty good at pumping out amazing glass. Thanks for your input! Hope you get your hands on an R5 to put it through its tests.
I’ve seen a few video demos of the R5’s Animal Eye AF used on birds, and in that specific case at least the R5 seems to do a lot better than my a7riv. Sony’s implementation is amazing on dogs and cats but (in my experience) pretty near to useless on birds - and I mostly shoot birds, so I have spent a lot of time trying to make it work. Hopefully a firmware update will bring that capability to at least parity. In the meantime, I’d rather have 45 mp sharp on the eye than 60 mp sharp on a wingtip. I do have an R5 on preorder so I’ll be able to do a side by side comparison (with my EF and FE 100-400s as Canon has no equivalent to my FE 200-600, alas). I’ll probably keep both systems, at least for the short term - the mindset that you need to be brand loyal or use only one system at a time (and, by extension, switching systems in an all-or-nothing manner) seems a bit outdated when every system has excellent unique features.
Alcidae I will be interested to hear how you do with the EOS R5. I agree that there’s no need to be brand loyal although some people feel strongly about “color science” and the differences between the brands. I was very interested in buying the EOS R5 myself but it doesn’t really fill a gap for me. I do think there is a lot more processing power in the EOS R5 than any competing Sony camera out right now so I think that bodes well for the subject detection on that camera. I have had a little luck eye with the Sony AF on birds but of course it depends a lot on how big the eye is in the frame and the color of the eye vs the feathers around the eye.
I think the R5 is a great offering for Canon users. I'm excited for them given that the new features I've been using with Sony are pretty handy and add some extra fun to photography. They're not make or break a photo features, but they definitely add to the experience.
Looking forward to the A7siii video camera possibly my next purchase from what I have seen so far it should be amazing Very brave to comment on Cannons latest well done as you say best option for Cannon users to go mirrorless !
Camilla & I yes I have no doubt the Canon fanboys will give plenty of thumbs down on this one but I’m just calling it as I see it. I am also very keen to see what happens with the A7SIII and may buy one if it gives me some interesting capability I don’t have right now.
@@AdrianChoPhotography Getting more into video these days and may replace my A7III with the A7sIII. Low light capabilities and possible 40 MP stills anyway speculation at the moment!
@@AdrianChoPhotography like Sony fanboys are criticizing Canon R5 and R6, but then they like a camera with 12 megapixels. Competitions is good for everyone.
Speculation, speculation and more speculation. Why not wait with any comments until you have a camera in your hand? Doing reviews based on other TH-camrs speculations is not a very smart way for your integrity. And there’s a number of TH-camrs out there trying their best for the clickbaits. My humble take as a photographer is that if I can get 12/20fps images from a 45mb sensor, that’s freaking outstanding. Canon has the best possible glass already in EF, just get the adapter and start shooting 45mb at 12/20fps or shoot 8K video and capture individual frames at 35mb.
Ruzdi Ekenheim I was genuinely interested in getting the EOS R5 and I’m just sharing my thought process behind it. The title of the view is intended to be clear that it’s not a review. I’m not basing my opinions on anyone else’s speculation but on footage and test shots I’ve seen. Everyone has their own needs and what is better for one person is not necessarily better for another. I clearly said multiple times I think it’s a great camera. Just not for me. From what I’ve seen the rolling shutter with the 8K will not make it very useful to capture individual frames of moving subjects. As I mentioned in the video, if you already have EF long glass then yes absolutely go for it. That was my recommendation.
This was a great analysis and explanation. I am a stills shooter only at this point and don't care much about the video specs in the new Mirrorless Canons. I am a Canon user with EF L lenses that I had thought were a good investment at the time. Now I am really torn between the two models ou mentioned the Canon R5 and switching over to Sony A7R IV. I love the way Sony images look and i do believe their lack of an AA filter leads to sharper and more detailed looking images, along with those extra MP. However Canon's cameras feel great in the hand, their menus are all touch screen and very easy to navigate. I'm also attracted to the new RF lenses which look very sharp albeit heavy and expensive. I'm gonna wait until more photographer reviews come out on the R5 to make a final choice. But thank you for this great comprehensive analysis.
Hi Nicole. Thanks for watching. Since making this video we have learned a little more about the R5 and one thing I'd have to say is that I think it looks like the AF is excellent. I'm not in love with the frame rate dropping with the battery level though. I personally think that while the RF mount has a lot potential, as you mention, a lot of the RF lenses so far are quite heavy. That's one thing I really like about the options on E mount - you can get some incredibly stellar optics and performance at very decent weights. Good luck with your continuing analysis!
I'm on the same boat girl!! But then again Sony will be coming out with a new a7riv in 2021, they release the upgrades every 2 years and 2021 will be the second year so I am thinking of getting the R5 and then get the a7riv also when price drops depending if the upgrade will be worth it or not
@@KarinaGlamorous Sounds like a good strategy. I like so much about the R5 as a photographer, not everything, but hate the idea of jumping back and forth between brands. So expensive!! I would love to see what upgrades Sony makes for and A7R IV hopefully it will have a touch screen, a more user-friendly menu etc.
I would say for sure that we will be seeing the touch screen, the new menu, the ability to make settings while the buffer is clearing, as well as better AF all coming to Sony. If you look at what they have delivered in the A7SIII, all the indications are there for what we would see in future A7 and A9 cameras. I’ll be making a video about my thoughts on this soon.
For me the r5 is just perfect with all my old Lenses like a EF 500mm IS f4 IS and others. If my old L-Lenses can delyver sharp Images to the 45 MP sensor (what I espect), then I'll be really happy. I'll shoot mainly 12fps mechanical. It is the first time where I don't have to have two bodies, one for quality and one for sport like I allways had. With the anymal eye-focus on 45MP and 12fps it is for me much better than a 1dx mk iii (I owned only the 1dx MKII and olders 1D's beside allmost every 5d...). With a Battery grip and big primes I think it is the best option for flying Birds Fotography right now on the market. But whoever owns a big prime should stay on his brand. For anymal Photography 60% of everything is the big prime (in my opinion). So a big prime +12MP body is better than no big prime and 45MP.
ili kapi this is awesome to hear and the fact that you want to have one camera to do it all is an example of a case where I think the EOS R5 could be a great match for you. I have no doubt the R5 will be great with the adapted EF lenses.
Does anyone know if all autofocus points will be available with adapted Canon lenses such as the 500 and 600mm f/4 lenses? I'm really interested myself as to how these lenses will perform on the R5.
@@daycreek You should have most if not all autofocus points with the f/4 lenses. You lose the ones on the f/11's because the lens is so closed down. However, you can actually use the 600 and 800mm lenses with the 2x teleconverter making both f/22 and you still have auto-focus, albeit a small grouping to work with in the middle.
Excellent video Adrian, probably the best and most sensible video I have seen on the EOS R5👍. I also have Sony A9II , sold my EOS R last week and pre ordered the EOSR 5. I am taking a gamble that the EOS R5 can shoot 20fps using the EVF as opposed to LCD in live view only. All the videos so far make no mention if EOS R5 is blackout free in EVF @20fps like Sony A9II , which is disappointing . I use long Canon primes so fingers crossed the EOS R5 can deliver my aspirations ! Will always keep my A9II till the A9III comes out 👍 I should also add if people want to film wildlife or whatever they should really buy proper video gear, EOS R5 is a camera ,I'll be using it for photography and might have some fun with 120 slomo but that's it....
Hey Chas. From everything I’ve seen, it seems like the EOS R5 will be about on par with the 1DX III in terms of sensor readout speed. My guess is that if the EOS R5 was capable of blackout free, distortion free shooting at 20 FPS then they would definitely have been touting it. Instead I have heard that some reviewers were asked not to mention certain things like the rolling shutter. Even if it’s not capable of a completely usable 20 FPS I still think it will be a great camera. Great to hear you’ll use it alongside the A9II. Should be a great combination.
@@AdrianChoPhotography I watched a video where the showed the 20 fps through the EVF and the only thing that permitted you to tell the photos were being taken were the white outline of the frame when each photo was taken. I don't recall if they stated the EVF was currently in the 60 or 120 fps refresh rate. Obviously, that matters for battery life. Also watched a video out of China. He compared the R5 to the original a9 and the R5 was considerably less rolling shutter at 4K25. He didn't perform an 8K test since the a9 doesn't have 8K. I think instead of a bunch of guess-work and rumor, people should probably reserve final judgment until the proper reviews have been performed or that have thoroughly tested the camera themselves.
Canon user that has dithered for over a year as to what to do! Sony A7R4 or wait to see! I struggled to convince myself that I could live with the poor ergonomics of the A7R4, buffering issue, excess pixels that caused noise issues and ....that menu system! Then - the Canon announcement - 45MP sweet spot where I can shoot wildlife and crop to half size with usable images, great menu and ergonomics and TOTAL catch up with the AF. Video is cutting edge and for what I shoot is fine! So - I am glad that I waited and my pre-order is in for the R5 and 3 lenses. I will probably shed a tear when I trade in my 1DX! I will use the converter and my 300mm and 500mm prime lenses - and wait to see how the 100-500 works out! This will give my 1000mm with IBIS and half crop - IT IS A GAMECHANGER for me! Watch out Sony users when Canon gets traction!
Mike, it sounds like this will be a great path for you. It's always great when people can find a system and tool that matches their style and way of working.
IMO, Canon continues to disappoint. I still have Canon DSLRs and lenses, but have been using Sony A7R4 with Sony 200-600 lens since Sept and love the new gear. I will be one of the first to pre-order Sony A93, if it has sufficient increase in MP, whenever it comes out. Love your videos Adrian. They are intelligent and interesting without unnecessary hype and drama. Thanks for what you do.
Hey Don. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. It's very interesting to hear your perspective especially as you still have your Canon DSLR gear. Glad to hear you're enjoying your Sony gear! No doubt if Sony releases an A9III with higher resolution a lot of people will be very happy.
Don Dunning considering the A9II just released, it’s going to be a while, and how is canon disappointing when they are doing things no one else is doing.
@@marioslrzn I personally think a camera like the EOS R5 can be both really exciting for some people and disappointing for some. It just depends on your needs. For example 8K video and 8 stops of stabilization might be incredible advantages for some but for others they have little to no real-world application.
@Mr H well I can't speak for Don"s disappointment but I was personally hoping they might match the silent speed of the A9 with greater resolution which is what a lot of people hoped Sony would do in the A9II. Maybe they have done it but I think if they did they would have been telling everyone about it already. Instead it seems, despite the information that they reduced sensor readout time, that it's still not fast enough to match the A9. I am basing this on various things I've seen but would be very happy if I was wrong.
As a former Canon user using Sony these days I can't deny that I would have liked to put my hands on the R5 but I really don't have so much cash to be going back and forth so I will stick to what I have and try to get the best out of it.
It's okay.. I am sure Sony will release better cameras in the near future and you can use what you already have instead of completely switching over :)
Small correction: In this video I mentioned that the EOS R5 is 10 fps with the mechanical shutter but it's actually 12 fps.
Although we are now finding out that this also depends on the battery level: clickon.link/eosr5burstrate
@@AdrianChoPhotography I don't know why they drop down the fps if the battery below 60%...... Sony A9 doesn't slow down if the battery getting low, does it???
@@AdrianChoPhotography the R5 Mechanical Shutter is limited by temperature i.e. it has to be below 23 degC to use the 12 fps MS otherwise it'll drop to 9 fps or even 6 fps depending on the temperature. Read the manual...p452.
Vignes K thanks for the info.
So Adrian, are you now swapping your a7RIV and a9II for A1 ?
I am with Canon for many years and have alot of EF lenses, I love Canon but getting the R5 is like a complete whole system which I need to buy all the lens and camera again. I ended up getting the A9ii and it works pretty well with my EF lens. I think it's not an easy decision for Canon people to buy the R5 or R6 if they are from the EF mount.
Samuel Hui thanks for your thoughts. That’s very interesting to hear about the route you’ve taken. I hope it’s all working out for you. Thanks for watching!
You know the EF to R adapter is relatively cheap and adapts Canon EF beautifully to mirrorless, right? The adapter supports continuous autofocus and functions anew.
Where are you at? Haven’t seen a video in a while?
In the video, it stated the f11 lenses (which are useless in my photography) had limited AF. But It's not till you add a 1.4 or 2.0x tc where they get hobbled. LOL, never thought I'd say that, 2.0x TC and F11 lens with AF...but still all the LCD footage of various TH-camrs suggest that's true. I do wish Canon would just let people share files, but I assume they don't want lower dynamic range to spoil the preorder party.
Hi Mike. Thanks for letting me know about that. It was not my understanding from some other stuff I had seen.
@@AdrianChoPhotography, I originally thought the f/11 limitations were a little better, but the Canon South Africa rep mentioned a DSLR-like focusing area on the two f/11 lenses on the R5/R6. 40% by 60% focus area, and significantly smaller with the TCs attached.
Thanks for the update Mike. All the information I’ve seen was that the f11 does not give full coverage of the sensor.
Does anyone know if there are any issues using the EF adapters with R5? Will the IBIS, eye autofocus, EVF, etc still work just as well? I seem to remember that there was some issues with the Sony adapters when their stuff came out. I have like 9 lenses and a Canon 5d Mark III I just photographed yesterday and was doing to sell. Was considering going with the Sony A7R IV but if I could keep my glass and get the R5 and have it functioning well - there would be no reason to quickly dump all of my gear to update systems. Perhaps we will have to wait and see for others to do these tests?
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Thanks!
Hi Charles. To my knowledge, while there are certainly some limitations with adapting EF lenses to Sony bodies, there are no limitations I've heard of when adapting with the R5.
What are your thoughts about the Sony A7s iii for wildlife photography? paired with a Sony 200-600mm maybe. I probably won't need to crop when using the 600mm and I can easly shoot at iso 16,000 because this lens isn't so bright
Hi Bishoy Zak. So I actually am planning to make a video about exactly that this week. Bottom line is I personally don’t think many people will choose it as an option for wildlife photography simply because of the resolution. Of course you do have those big pixels and what appears to be dual ISO at 80 and 16000 but I think for most people, the cost of the low resolution is not something they will be willing to take on considering the drop in resolution. I do however think that the camera bodes well for what we might see in future A7 and A9 models.
@@AdrianChoPhotography I agree, and the next A7 is definitely gonna be something great
Bishop, so I have an A7SIII on order and although I don’t have a 200-600 I will do some simulated tests at apertures around f6.3 and I’ll make a video about it.
@@AdrianChoPhotography That's awesome! Can't wait 🤩
Unfortunately it will be a while as the camera is not being released until September 24 and that’s assuming I’m in the first group to get one but I’m looking forward to it.
I am wondering what is possible by taking short 8k/30 Clips and extract the 32MB RAW images out of this stream. Would that not offer a lot of possibilities for Wildlife? Beside of that, the R5 does not impress me at all. The Sony A7R4 and Sony A9 II offer me all what I need. And I agree, the A7R4 needs a top lens like a 400mm 2.8 GM or 600mm 4.0 GM.
Hey Stefan. That’s a very interesting thought. The thing is that I believe, from what I’ve read, including something about reviewers not being allowed to talk about it, is that the 8K has bad rolling shutter. We will see... Thanks for watching!
Adrian Cho Photography That is what I thought too. The rolling shutter on the 1DX Mark III is horrible in Live View Mode, I don’t expect the R5 being better in this regard...so no R5 for me 😀
Something not discussed that I'm very curious about is the dynamic range and also how the ISO's work, will it be the same variant design they've used in the past and will shadows get funky when we bring them up if necessary. Coming from Canon to Sony that was the biggest thing I noticed, no longer was was there a need to shoot 2 or 3 frames and do the HDR process. Losing the extreme flexibility to push and pull RAW files would make the Canon a dealbreaker for me. Looking forward to real world reviews (honest ones).
robwas from what I’ve seen Canon were saying the R5 would have one step of range over the EOS R which had 13.5 stops so that would put it very close to the A7RIV. Although the EOS R was somewhat, but not completely ISO invariant, I was guessing they would make the R5 ISO invariant but we’ll see. The current reviews are definitely leaving out a lot of details and my understanding is the “reviewers” were told that certain topics were not to be discussed. I’ve seen many cases where they are trying to avoid answering questions asked in comments such as what the rolling shutter is like.
@@AdrianChoPhotography I have a feeling as your review stated that this camera will be a logical choice for current Canon users but nothing revolutionary or even that useful for those already using other systems. Noise at high ISO's is something I hope reviewers really put to the test and compare to other systems.
Hi Adrain, can you do a video about Cannon R6 capability’s for wild life photography and bird photography, kindly advise
I now have my R5 Adrian, here's my 10 cents worth 😁
R5 arrived yesterday :-)
Just returned from the beach with my R5 +70-200 F2.8. I shoot Manual +auto ISO always and took 850 Seagull images mostly L jpg and some RAW, and 8 two minute clips in all video options apart from 8K. Used E shutter mostly @20fps ( they don't count as actuations :-) ) but tried mechanical and E front curtain shutter @12 fps. Used tracking /servo mode and all images in focus apart from four which was probably my fault as I use BBF and didn't focus before hitting the shutter. Tracking is excellent and gulls in focus were easily acquired , even their eyes were picked out using the animal option. Set 120 hz refresh rate using E shutter, no obvious blackout or lag, @ 60hz more noticeable but still a lot better than the EOS R was, so no issues @20fps for BIF shots and no warped images either . Viewfinder ... when looking at stationary subjects if you wiggle/wave camera about fast it looked a bit queazy, but why anyone would want to do that other than me I don't know :-) Colours are beautiful in stills and video as you would expect from Canon and ISO up to 12800 is my default setting in ISO AUTO max settings. This setting was 3200 on my EOS R and 5D4 so ISO levels have improved a lot. I tried the Focus bracketing, select number of shots , the amount of focus movement, and exposure smoothing over whole subject, hand held @ 1/500 f2.8 iso 100, 12 images front to back of a crab , hit the shutter once and as if by magic 12 images all ready to be stacked as one. This option uses E shutter also to minimise vibration, and with 8 stops of stability available no tripod needed. Great for Macro with bugs that might move, point the camera and 20 stacked shots in a second ! A firmware update is due soon according to Canon rumours to fix a few things. The weather was unusually warm for Scotland .. 24"C in the shade 30 in the open, No overheating issues and no warnings in camera. Used Sandisk CFexpress and SD cards. Am I happy ? :-) ps. tracking isn't as clever as Sony, but we all know that 👍
More info, went out this morning down the beach, R5 +Canon 300mm f2.8mkii. 1/3200 F4 ISO auto, servo, tracking ,E shutter H+ 20fps. Tried it out on the most difficult of subjects, House martins ( look like small swallows the size of your finger) darting and weaving all over the place from about 20 metres which meant they were only filling about 2% of the frame. Most reviews on TH-cam show some "expert tracking humans or large frame filling birds like Herons, which quite frankly are easy meat and don't really challenge the camera or the photographer for that matter. I always pre focus before taking a shot to ensure the quickest possible focus acquisition to avoid delay with lens hunting. The R5 nailed most of them against the sky but struggled a wee bit with them coming towards me , zig zagging all over the place, but to be fair these were very difficult shots to expect 100% success as anyone who has tried will tell you! The Sony A9II on a good prime lens would have nailed them all but that's about £15,000 / $20,000 worth of gear ! Never the less, the Canon 300mm f2.8 MKII is probably Canons fastest lens for wildlife.
R5 had no probs with everything else including small very fast waders like Knot and Dunlin skimming the waves.
No issues with the R5, looking forward to using it next week on Eagles, no excuse for less then 100% with these birds 👍
Chas Moonie thank you for taking the time to share all this information. It just so happens that I was planning to make a video today to comment on some of the recent videos I’ve been seeing about the R5 and talk about how I think the animal AF looks very impressive. From everything I can tell, the R5 AF and tracking is excellent and better than what Sony has however it may not be as good in the most challenging of situations. I’ve heard, for example, that it is not as effective with busy backgrounds. That’s fantastic that you are not getting any artifacts from the electronic shutter. Feel free to drop in and chat about this on my Discord server anytime. In any case, thanks again for sharing here. Sounds like a great purchase and I’m super happy for you. I look forward to hearing more.
@@AdrianChoPhotography it probably depends on the lenses used Adrian, but I would say my A9II +200-600 can track better than my R5 +300mm F2.8 Mkii when trying to acquire focus on a small fast agile bird like a Swallow against a messy background. Apart from this they are both about equal on everything else when it comes to tracking. Big bonus for the R5 is the 45mp and the Canon colours
I don't see how you can compare the R5 to both the A7r4 and the A9ii. either compare the R5 to the A7rv or compare the R5 to the A9ii
The A9ii has a stacked sensor and can shoot 24mp shots at the 20fps. the A7rv doesn't have a stacked sensor so will have the same issue as the R5 when using the electronic shutter and the readout would be considerably worse as its a 60mp sensor.
The R5 shoot at 45mp @12fps mechanical and 20fps electronic and also offers the facilty to use small and medium raw file sizes and compressed raw.
You should compare the R5 to the A7r4 as a high resolution camera and the R5 to the A9ii as a sports camera (as with the new battery grip with fast 5ghz connection and LAN connectivity on the R5 this would be a better comparison)
Dee thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. I thought I did do exactly that? I compared it primarily to the A7RIV, and noted that it doesn’t have as much resolution, and I compared it to the A9II, only really because they are claiming 20 FPS for it. I agree with you on the A7RIV’s electronic shutter but the A7RIV doesn’t claim a higher FPS with that mode so I feel like it doesn’t have any aspirations of being a camera for capturing fast or sustained action.
As a Canon shooter with a 600 IS II, I’m not as excited about the R5 as I thought I’d be. I’m reserving final judgment until actual reviews are out but information is already trickling in that’s showing some major weaknesses in key specs. The biggest one I’ve seen is that 12fps mechanical is only capable when using the new battery at 60% or higher capacity and under room temperature. Those caveats both significantly reduce the appeal of using the mechanical shutter and based on the readout speed of the R6’s sensor at ~19ms, it seems fairly evident that the readout speed of the R5 will be an issue when using the electronic shutter for action. Also, $3900 is a ton of money when, for my use-case the a7R III would probably be pretty close in performance at a fraction of the cost.
Wow that's very interesting! Thanks for sharing that Tony.
Hi Adrian,
Very informative stills comparison between the R5 vs A7R4 vs A92.
I just bought the A9 almost new for a very good price for fast action sports work.
I am still missing a high resolution stills camera and a video camera. I shoot about 75% stills and 25% video but plan this year to do 50/50. I’ve only been doing it for 1.5yrs but learning fast. I’m unable to do it full time quite yet.
I’ve been eyeing the A7R4 for stills + A7S3 when it is released or go with the R5 with one body that does both.
My thinking is leaning towards what you said, one brand and get the best performers so two bodies (A7R4 + A7S3). Or two brands (R5 for stills and A7S3 for video) but then I need to learn how to color grade to match the two, if it’s even possible (stills with R5 + video with A7S3)
I have a couple more questions:
1) since Sony does not allow L, M, S raw files, are you using 61MP and Super35 mode? Am curious how you handle the large files when not needed?
2) R5 does HEIF which if I understand correctly is 10bit JPEG files. I don’t see anywhere that talks about this. Is the quality substantially better than 8bit JPEGs or you just shoot raw? Curious to understand this better.
Thanks in advance for sharing and keep the content coming! 🙏
Nomad 24 thanks for watching. Lots of good questions. I made this video a while back (th-cam.com/video/IC1NVkJIoS0/w-d-xo.html) about using crop mode on the A7RIV and why you might want to do it in the camera instead of in post. Check it out and let me know if you have any questions. So basically yes I do sometimes use it and in fact I have crop mode set up as the button on my Sony lenses that have the “focus hold” button which can be reassigned. I definitely only ever shoot raw and don’t bother with JPEG and highly recommend that you do that unless you have no intention to ever edit your images which I think could be a huge missed opportunity. I don’t spend a ton of time in editing like some people but it is definitely a very important part of the creative process that begins in the camera and continues in the “digital darkroom” and if you’re shooting JPEG you will be very constrained in what you can do in editing. If you take an incredible image and have only taken it in JPEG (even 10-bit) you will have lost a lot of information that you’ll never be able to get back. Even 12-bit or 14-bit HEIF is still nothing compared to everything that is stored in a RAW file. Think about it as the difference between a 16-bit lossless file compared to a 10-bit (or whatever) compressed file. RAW gives you ultimate flexibility with your image in post. Regarding the file sizes of the 61 MP images, I haven’t found it to be an issue at all in terms of storage, editing, etc. It CAN be an issue with the buffer with the A7RIV if you are shooting fast action or sustained action and I did talk about that a bit in a review I made of the A7RIVl last October. Hope that helps. Feel free to respond or hop onto the Discord server and we can chat some more. Cheers.
Excellent Adrian! Thanks for the quick reply. I’ll check out the link now and if I have more questions, I’ll let you know. Much appreciated.
I shot My friends R5 back and forth with My A9II, I will keep My A9II and 200-600 lens the Canon F11 was a joke!
Warren Griffin. Thanks for chiming in. Very interesting. Can you share more details? Anything you particuluarly liked or didn’t like about either camera in the comparison?
What Canon has done with the Animal eye auto focusing is just spectacular here’s another link: th-cam.com/video/DxkXbYYSulE/w-d-xo.html
I agree this looks very good and ups the game. The cameras has a lot of processing power so this is what I would expect. Thanks for sharing!
Hope you are doing ok. You promised more frequent videos post new set up but it's gone other way round
Hi Souvik, I appreciate you checking in on me! I am planning to start posting again this week!
@@AdrianChoPhotography Good to know you are doing fine. Thanks
Probably a nice camera but I would miss my 61 megapixels and battery life. I would also need to use adapters to get fast long primes, meaning one more place where electrical contacts might fail, and one more place to let in dust or moisture. The new long prime R lenses will not give you the same subject isolation as a 400/2.8 or a 600/4. They will also raise the iso to levels where noise becomes a problem. The animal eye AF sounds interesting though. All in all, the EOS R5 is probably no threat to Sony, but Sony may need to look out for more mature technology in EOS R5 mk iii
I disagree that it is no threat. Understand, many Sony shooters made the jump to Sony for features. It's not unthinkable to see the opposite. But I will say, Sony shooters should feel confident that they have a solid camera, and there's no reason to jump ship because a better camera arrived on scene. As with all things in this business, it works on fast moving cycles. Next release Sony very well maybe back on top. But also note, I think this camera is the answer to the mid-resolution camera market where the 5D4 occupied. They are still rumored to be releasing a high res cam to match the A7r4 or 5 by that time. Considering they had a DSLR size prototype with 100 MPs for years, the possibility of a 75+ MPs cam seems to be a very possible release. Interesting times we live in...
If you look at the 32.3 MP APS-C sensor in the M6 II and extrapolate that out to full-frame you end up with 84 MP.
I’m sure Canon has some wildlife rf fast lenses in the works, they are pretty good at pumping out amazing glass. Thanks for your input! Hope you get your hands on an R5 to put it through its tests.
James, thanks for watching. I have no doubt they are working on other long RF lenses. It's just a question of when we'll see them.
I’ve seen a few video demos of the R5’s Animal Eye AF used on birds, and in that specific case at least the R5 seems to do a lot better than my a7riv. Sony’s implementation is amazing on dogs and cats but (in my experience) pretty near to useless on birds - and I mostly shoot birds, so I have spent a lot of time trying to make it work. Hopefully a firmware update will bring that capability to at least parity. In the meantime, I’d rather have 45 mp sharp on the eye than 60 mp sharp on a wingtip. I do have an R5 on preorder so I’ll be able to do a side by side comparison (with my EF and FE 100-400s as Canon has no equivalent to my FE 200-600, alas). I’ll probably keep both systems, at least for the short term - the mindset that you need to be brand loyal or use only one system at a time (and, by extension, switching systems in an all-or-nothing manner) seems a bit outdated when every system has excellent unique features.
Alcidae I will be interested to hear how you do with the EOS R5. I agree that there’s no need to be brand loyal although some people feel strongly about “color science” and the differences between the brands. I was very interested in buying the EOS R5 myself but it doesn’t really fill a gap for me. I do think there is a lot more processing power in the EOS R5 than any competing Sony camera out right now so I think that bodes well for the subject detection on that camera. I have had a little luck eye with the Sony AF on birds but of course it depends a lot on how big the eye is in the frame and the color of the eye vs the feathers around the eye.
I think the R5 is a great offering for Canon users. I'm excited for them given that the new features I've been using with Sony are pretty handy and add some extra fun to photography. They're not make or break a photo features, but they definitely add to the experience.
Looking forward to the A7siii video camera possibly my next purchase from what I have seen so far it should be amazing
Very brave to comment on Cannons latest well done as you say best option for Cannon users to go mirrorless !
Camilla & I yes I have no doubt the Canon fanboys will give plenty of thumbs down on this one but I’m just calling it as I see it. I am also very keen to see what happens with the A7SIII and may buy one if it gives me some interesting capability I don’t have right now.
@@AdrianChoPhotography Getting more into video these days and may replace my A7III with the A7sIII. Low light capabilities and possible 40 MP stills anyway speculation at the moment!
@@AdrianChoPhotography like Sony fanboys are criticizing Canon R5 and R6, but then they like a camera with 12 megapixels. Competitions is good for everyone.
I agree the competition can only be a good thing.
Speculation, speculation and more speculation. Why not wait with any comments until you have a camera in your hand? Doing reviews based on other TH-camrs speculations is not a very smart way for your integrity. And there’s a number of TH-camrs out there trying their best for the clickbaits. My humble take as a photographer is that if I can get 12/20fps images from a 45mb sensor, that’s freaking outstanding. Canon has the best possible glass already in EF, just get the adapter and start shooting 45mb at 12/20fps or shoot 8K video and capture individual frames at 35mb.
Ruzdi Ekenheim I was genuinely interested in getting the EOS R5 and I’m just sharing my thought process behind it. The title of the view is intended to be clear that it’s not a review. I’m not basing my opinions on anyone else’s speculation but on footage and test shots I’ve seen. Everyone has their own needs and what is better for one person is not necessarily better for another. I clearly said multiple times I think it’s a great camera. Just not for me. From what I’ve seen the rolling shutter with the 8K will not make it very useful to capture individual frames of moving subjects. As I mentioned in the video, if you already have EF long glass then yes absolutely go for it. That was my recommendation.
This was a great analysis and explanation. I am a stills shooter only at this point and don't care much about the video specs in the new Mirrorless Canons. I am a Canon user with EF L lenses that I had thought were a good investment at the time. Now I am really torn between the two models ou mentioned the Canon R5 and switching over to Sony A7R IV. I love the way Sony images look and i do believe their lack of an AA filter leads to sharper and more detailed looking images, along with those extra MP. However Canon's cameras feel great in the hand, their menus are all touch screen and very easy to navigate. I'm also attracted to the new RF lenses which look very sharp albeit heavy and expensive. I'm gonna wait until more photographer reviews come out on the R5 to make a final choice. But thank you for this great comprehensive analysis.
Hi Nicole. Thanks for watching. Since making this video we have learned a little more about the R5 and one thing I'd have to say is that I think it looks like the AF is excellent. I'm not in love with the frame rate dropping with the battery level though. I personally think that while the RF mount has a lot potential, as you mention, a lot of the RF lenses so far are quite heavy. That's one thing I really like about the options on E mount - you can get some incredibly stellar optics and performance at very decent weights. Good luck with your continuing analysis!
I'm on the same boat girl!! But then again Sony will be coming out with a new a7riv in 2021, they release the upgrades every 2 years and 2021 will be the second year so I am thinking of getting the R5 and then get the a7riv also when price drops depending if the upgrade will be worth it or not
@@KarinaGlamorous Sounds like a good strategy. I like so much about the R5 as a photographer, not everything, but hate the idea of jumping back and forth between brands. So expensive!! I would love to see what upgrades Sony makes for and A7R IV hopefully it will have a touch screen, a more user-friendly menu etc.
I would say for sure that we will be seeing the touch screen, the new menu, the ability to make settings while the buffer is clearing, as well as better AF all coming to Sony. If you look at what they have delivered in the A7SIII, all the indications are there for what we would see in future A7 and A9 cameras. I’ll be making a video about my thoughts on this soon.
@@AdrianChoPhotography I look forward to seeing what Sony comes up with. Do they usually release their new models in the summer or winter time?
For me the r5 is just perfect with all my old Lenses like a EF 500mm IS f4 IS and others. If my old L-Lenses can delyver sharp Images to the 45 MP sensor (what I espect), then I'll be really happy. I'll shoot mainly 12fps mechanical. It is the first time where I don't have to have two bodies, one for quality and one for sport like I allways had. With the anymal eye-focus on 45MP and 12fps it is for me much better than a 1dx mk iii (I owned only the 1dx MKII and olders 1D's beside allmost every 5d...). With a Battery grip and big primes I think it is the best option for flying Birds Fotography right now on the market. But whoever owns a big prime should stay on his brand. For anymal Photography 60% of everything is the big prime (in my opinion). So a big prime +12MP body is better than no big prime and 45MP.
ili kapi this is awesome to hear and the fact that you want to have one camera to do it all is an example of a case where I think the EOS R5 could be a great match for you. I have no doubt the R5 will be great with the adapted EF lenses.
Does anyone know if all autofocus points will be available with adapted Canon lenses such as the 500 and 600mm f/4 lenses? I'm really interested myself as to how these lenses will perform on the R5.
@@daycreek You should have most if not all autofocus points with the f/4 lenses. You lose the ones on the f/11's because the lens is so closed down. However, you can actually use the 600 and 800mm lenses with the 2x teleconverter making both f/22 and you still have auto-focus, albeit a small grouping to work with in the middle.
Excellent video Adrian, probably the best and most sensible video I have seen on the EOS R5👍. I also have Sony A9II , sold my EOS R last week and pre ordered the EOSR 5. I am taking a gamble that the EOS R5 can shoot 20fps using the EVF as opposed to LCD in live view only. All the videos so far make no mention if EOS R5 is blackout free in EVF @20fps like Sony A9II , which is disappointing . I use long Canon primes so fingers crossed the EOS R5 can deliver my aspirations ! Will always keep my A9II till the A9III comes out 👍 I should also add if people want to film wildlife or whatever they should really buy proper video gear, EOS R5 is a camera ,I'll be using it for photography and might have some fun with 120 slomo but that's it....
Hey Chas. From everything I’ve seen, it seems like the EOS R5 will be about on par with the 1DX III in terms of sensor readout speed. My guess is that if the EOS R5 was capable of blackout free, distortion free shooting at 20 FPS then they would definitely have been touting it. Instead I have heard that some reviewers were asked not to mention certain things like the rolling shutter. Even if it’s not capable of a completely usable 20 FPS I still think it will be a great camera. Great to hear you’ll use it alongside the A9II. Should be a great combination.
@@AdrianChoPhotography I watched a video where the showed the 20 fps through the EVF and the only thing that permitted you to tell the photos were being taken were the white outline of the frame when each photo was taken. I don't recall if they stated the EVF was currently in the 60 or 120 fps refresh rate. Obviously, that matters for battery life.
Also watched a video out of China. He compared the R5 to the original a9 and the R5 was considerably less rolling shutter at 4K25. He didn't perform an 8K test since the a9 doesn't have 8K.
I think instead of a bunch of guess-work and rumor, people should probably reserve final judgment until the proper reviews have been performed or that have thoroughly tested the camera themselves.
@@brthiebauth thanks for the info. If it's all really true that the R5 can match the A9II then I'll be impressed.
Canon user that has dithered for over a year as to what to do! Sony A7R4 or wait to see! I struggled to convince myself that I could live with the poor ergonomics of the A7R4, buffering issue, excess pixels that caused noise issues and ....that menu system! Then - the Canon announcement - 45MP sweet spot where I can shoot wildlife and crop to half size with usable images, great menu and ergonomics and TOTAL catch up with the AF. Video is cutting edge and for what I shoot is fine! So - I am glad that I waited and my pre-order is in for the R5 and 3 lenses. I will probably shed a tear when I trade in my 1DX! I will use the converter and my 300mm and 500mm prime lenses - and wait to see how the 100-500 works out! This will give my 1000mm with IBIS and half crop - IT IS A GAMECHANGER for me! Watch out Sony users when Canon gets traction!
Mike, it sounds like this will be a great path for you. It's always great when people can find a system and tool that matches their style and way of working.
Thank you for your objective view :)
Would also like to see infield videos with tech stuff from a sony user.
Interesting that a review is done about a camera not in hand - waste of time!
IMO, Canon continues to disappoint. I still have Canon DSLRs and lenses, but have been using Sony A7R4 with Sony 200-600 lens since Sept and love the new gear. I will be one of the first to pre-order Sony A93, if it has sufficient increase in MP, whenever it comes out. Love your videos Adrian. They are intelligent and interesting without unnecessary hype and drama. Thanks for what you do.
Hey Don. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. It's very interesting to hear your perspective especially as you still have your Canon DSLR gear. Glad to hear you're enjoying your Sony gear! No doubt if Sony releases an A9III with higher resolution a lot of people will be very happy.
Don Dunning considering the A9II just released, it’s going to be a while, and how is canon disappointing when they are doing things no one else is doing.
@@marioslrzn I personally think a camera like the EOS R5 can be both really exciting for some people and disappointing for some. It just depends on your needs. For example 8K video and 8 stops of stabilization might be incredible advantages for some but for others they have little to no real-world application.
You are kidding right? How is the R5 disappointing?
@Mr H well I can't speak for Don"s disappointment but I was personally hoping they might match the silent speed of the A9 with greater resolution which is what a lot of people hoped Sony would do in the A9II. Maybe they have done it but I think if they did they would have been telling everyone about it already. Instead it seems, despite the information that they reduced sensor readout time, that it's still not fast enough to match the A9. I am basing this on various things I've seen but would be very happy if I was wrong.