Canon R6 & RF100-500 Vs Sony A9ii & Tamron150-500 Head to Head!
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- Can the R6 match the Sony A9ii? Is the Tamron better value than the Canon? I take lots of photos and share my thoughts on these two excellent zoom lenses and cameras.
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Timestamps:
0:00 Sony A9ii & Tamron 150-500 & Canon R6 RF100-500
0:55 Sony A9ii & Canon R6 Specs
1:52 Tamron & Canon Lens Specs
4:57 Autofocus
7:57 Image Quality & Sharpness
12:15 High ISO Performance
14:12 Dynamic Range
15:15 Lens Speed
17:08 FPS & Buffer
18:02 IBIS & Stabilisation
18:36 EVF
19:23 Minimum Focus Distance
20:39 Cameras
23:15 Conclusion
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Thanks, Duade! I’m becoming a real fan of your vids. I shoot with the R6 and the 109-500. I’ve posted two questions and you've been nice enough to answer both within 24 hrs. I have no questions this time, so you're off the hook. Just wanted to say thanks, and keep up the great work.
Daniel, it is my pleasure, good luck with the birding and the 100-500, Cheers, Duade
Loved the review, nice and thorough Duade!
Thanks Robert, I am glad you enjoyed it, Cheers, Duade
Thank you for the excellent comparison review, Duade! I found this from your comment on DPReview, and I'm glad that you pointed me here. I love the comparison of similar lenses from two different systems, and wish that more people would do tests like this. I'm a little disappointed by the sharpness of the Tamron, as I was able to tell the difference in each of your image comparisons. I shouldn't be too surprised given the much lower price. The R6/A9ii was an unexpected comparison, but very interesting. The upcoming Sony A7iv (rumored to be released in September) will be their closest competitor for the R6, though of course it you can't test a camera that does not yet exist. I expect the A7iv to have Sony's latest AF system (though perhaps not a dedicated bird eye AF mode). I'm planning a switch to full-frame from Olympus, and still a little torn on what to buy. The Canon 100-500 is very appealing, but there are many great and affordable shorter primes for Sony that I really want. And I envy Nikon users for the pf telephoto primes--I would love those instead of one of these telephoto zooms, even with the extra cost. But the Z6II can't match the Sony or Canon AF, or the Sony native lens choice. I was hoping that this Tamron would be a lens that I could love . . . anyway, the video was very informative.
Hal, the Rf100-500 is a wonderful light lens that when paired with an R5 gives you a lot of versatility. I will admit that 500mm can be a little short as I am used to 700mm with my prime and extender. If the A7IV has bird eye AF, then it makes the Sony 200-600 combo very attractive as your main birding kit. I think long term at the moment Canon and Sony seem to be leading the way. Canons new RF lenses are pretty amazing in terms of IQ, Weight and are a step up from the EF lenses. Good luck, Cheers, Duade
Thanks for this, I have the R5 and RD100-500mm and I am very happy with them both.
That is great to hear, a very nice combo. Cheers, Duade
Brillant detailed comparison !!! Thank you very much :-D
Kozitaju, it is my pleasure, Cheers, Duade
Hi Duade. I am an Australian living in Japan and watch all your videos. Mate, thanks for the many great videos and tutorials you put out. Please know they have really helped my photography in general too, not just for bird photography. This video was really good because the question of getting the Sony set up or the Canon R6 has been on my mind. You have given me a clear answer. Cheers Mate.
Chiemi, my pleasure, the A1 is a big improvement on the A9 in regards to bird eye AF however it is very expensive. The R6 is a great camera for its price. Cheers, Duade
Thank you so much for this. Lovely pics, and your presentation is first-class
Thank you kindly!
Great video Duade. I have the R6/RF100-500 combo and agree that is an amazing system.
Great to hear, yes it is a very light versatile kit. Cheers, Duade
Very informative and super sharp images as always Duade one thing I notice in your delivery is that you are speaking directly into camera ( and your viewers ) rather than having a two angle approach that I have seen in earlier videos - just makes for a better connection ? 👍
Thanks for the feedback Glenn, If I am being honest I use the two cameras to hide the cuts where I make mistakes when shooting, I am trying to get more B-roll to hide these edits. Cheers, Duade
Great vlog Duade. Cheers 👍
Thanks Michael, Cheers, Duade 👍
Great comparison, always fun to listen
Thanks Bryce, Cheers, Duade
As always, a terrific video, Duade. I have had the Canon RF 100-500 backordered for almost two months now here in the States with no estimated delivery date in sight. My R6 sits very lonely on my desk (mount converter on same backorder).
Paul, that must be very frustrating, I was very lucky to get mine. Cheers, Duade
Thanks for the honest, real world feedback.
Woody, I appreciate the feedback. Cheers, Duade
Yet another wonderful video! Thankyou!
Asheesh, thank you, Cheers, Duade
Thank you so much a lot of work to put it together
it's my pleasure, Cheers, Duade 👍
Great work thanks for bringing us this information 2 great cameras.
Thanks Scott, yes, they are very good cameras and we have come a long way over the years. Cheers, Duade
I really appreciate your style of presenting. Several years ago I made the switch from Canon to Sony. With 5 back surgeries, the Sony system was noticeably lighter. From my early ar7 to the current Alpha 9, I have accumulated several lenses from 16mm to 500mm mostly zoom. After recently acquiring the Tamron 150-500, I was especially interested in your assessment . While examining the images, I found myself with a bias to the Sony from your very same shots. Interesting. I wonder, in a totally blind test, just how much difference there would actually be. In the end, it’s like any electronic device such as the iPhone compared to the android. I’m an iPhone guy and the times I have tried to switch , I find the android less intuitive. Keep up your fine and interesting work.
Really nice review. Bird eye-tracking is on my bucket list for a camera and the R6 and Canon 100-500mm might just make that possible. I like the idea of a "dust" shutter in the Canon as well.
Bruce, I wasn't aware but the Sony does have the dust shutter if you turn it on. But yes, the Eye AF really is groundbreaking. Cheers, Duade
The Sony a9II has a dust shutter I believe..
Oh cool this is the one I've been waiting for 🙂
Colm, great to hear, I hope you enjoyed it. Cheers, Duade
I Duade, I liked the comparison thank you. I am also a canon shooter the just want to let you know that the canon also have a recall option. I’ve set my AF point button to Register/Recall and effectively made it a third back button focus option. One for general focus, the second for eye tracking and the third as single point focus. You can try it out, but is is working well for me with the R5. I believe the R6 should have the same option. Thanks again
Thanks for the tip Johan, I appreciate it. Cheers, Duade
Tremendous job Duade! I´m a Nikon Z system user, I valorize time spended doing this review. Soon we will be getting equivalent MILC Z for action, I guess with same performance as R6 and a9. Take care!
Maxi, fingers crossed the upcoming Nikon has the bird eye af. Cheers, Duade
Really loved this comparison. 🙏
Thanks Vinayak, I am glad you enjoyed it, Cheers, Duade
I was waiting for this video 😊 thanks from Kolkata, India ❤️
I'm glad you enjoyed it, Cheers, Duade
@Sayak Ray Canon DSLR user, planning an upgrade to Mirrorless. This is a tricky point, cause I can change my system or else stay with Canon.
@Sayak Ray হুঁ, ঠিকই। But, for cropping in wildlife photography, R6 is not ideal due to its lower megapixel count. So, a new Canon camera with lower price and higher megapixel count than R6 would be great!
Hi Duade, great video as always! As a Sony shooter I'm really jealous of these new Canon bodies; they seem great! Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the Sony 200-600mm, since I think that lens really is the main selling point of Sony for semi-on-a-budget wildlife shooters! I now shoot it with a relatively cheap APS-C body and loving it! For me a good way to work around the lack of eye auto focus is to use the smallest autofocus spot with tracking, focus on the bird's eye and then keep focusing (so it starts tracking) while you recompose. That way the bird can even move and you still keep the focus, which gives this method a slight edge over normal back button focusing technique.
Thanks Niels, yes I believe the 200-600 will be fantastic and I cant wait to give it a go. Cheers, Duade Thanks for the tip on focusing.
@@Duade Sony 200-600G is the best performing, best value, best quality zoom IMO and I own the 100-400GM and Canon 100-400L IS II which is optically as good as the 100-500L. Canon 100-500L may be as good optically, but stupidly expensive, only 500 and only f/7.1 and the TC can't be used for full zoom range.
Hi Niels I Shoot with A7RIII with Sonys 200-600 and I would love to try it with an A9II body with these high frame rates. I can see that your comment is almost one year old - I hope you have purchased it all ready :-)
@@Marskfoto hi, that also sounds like a great combo! A9 would indeed be really cool to shoot with, although you do get fewer megapixels then (for me at least relatively, since I use an APS-C body). For now I'm sticking with my current setup since it is really nice considering my budget!
@@nielsaerts9971 I can see on your YT that you get fine videos with your setup - the most important thing is to come out and enjoy the nature.
Great Video, Very Helpful and Informative, Many thanks for sharin. 🇬🇧
Sharin, my pleasure, Cheers, Duade
Hey Duade, I posted a comment a while back about my Sony A7R IV back focusing and not picking up perched birds and how im having to do the pre focus technique. Its interesting you experienced this and showed it in action with the Wagtail on the rock. Thats a pretty easy subject as its a solid rock and it still wasn't picking it up. Its for sure pretty annoying and ive missed a few shots because of it. Its a big problem because the auto focus would otherwise be amazing.
:gday Kurtis, yes, I had a few issues with the zone on rocks etc, I found the spot and tracking to work better. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade Just don't use zone or wide unless you are against a clean background. Expand flexible spot or flexible spot S, M, L or centre are the best modes for A9 and A7RIV in general.
Another great and useful video!
Would be interesting if you did this comparison with the sony a9ii paired with sony 200-600, and the canon R6mkii with the rf100-500.
Currently debating between these two sets ups. The canon set up seems great, however the sony having a stacked sensor and longer reach with its native lens is very attractive.
Awesome video, if I could make 1 bit of constructive criticism (sorry), to keep 1 camera brand consistently on the left and the other brand on the right to make it easier to review the images…..unless you are asking people to guess which one is which 😂. Appreciate the video and time it took to make.
Thanks for the feedback, I agree, it wasn't until I had finished the video that I noticed the inconsistency, Cheers, Duade
Duade, I now have my Canon R6 and the Canon RF 100-500 L. The AF and tracking has helped me get shots of Birds In Flight that I couldn't get with my Canon 6D and Tamron 150-600. A bit pricey, but worth the money. The only problem I have is the lack of Canon's Color Profile while using Adobe Lightroom. Keep making these great videos and your down to earth style.
Gene, great to hear the camera and lens have arrived, glad it is helping increase your keepers. I have no idea why adobe have dropped the ball with the Canon files recently. I can only hope they fix this going forward. Cheers, Duade
The 6D has a decent sensor for the amount of money it costs, and that might be all you need for say landscape photography.
But yeah, autofocusing and speed are not exactly strengths of the 6D. So, for anything involving fast action, you'd want something better.
Great video mate. RF lenses are expensive but so good. I bit the bullet and got the RF70-200 and made my life so much easier and a real joy to use.
Tim, yes they are eye watering in cost compared to the EF versions. I agree however that the lenses are amazing. Cheers, Duade
Tope shelf content, I really enjoyed it
Glad to hear it, Cheers, Duade
Very useful and impartial review.
Thank you, Cheers, Duade
The is very informativer and frank analysis. The combo on Canon seems to be on my wish list.
Thanks Vincent, it is a great combo but very expensive, Cheers, Duade
I think you're right regarding Sony autofocus. I have the A7R4 and I use spot/touch to track when shooting photos of birds. The Zone had trouble giving up the lock on a moving or dynamic background.
Thanks Andrew, I appreciate the comment, Cheers, Duade
Nice video bro... Happy to see the details in depth.. You were talking about focus mode. I use sony a9 and have tried R6.. I am so confident that birds in flight, zone+tracking+AF Priority + option 1 for stick to focus works amazingly well... I have 100.00% in focus result once it locks
While if bird is not moving, flexible spot focus makes the best
Put subject as Animal indeed
A9 Has astounding focussing capability.
However, eye focus on R6 works extremely well. But no comparison with a9 about hit rate
Thanks for sharing your experience, I probably need more time with the Sony AF system to fully appreciate its strengths. Cheers, Duade
Great video, as usual thank you. Quick question. With your canon setup and having the two back button focusing one being the eye focus set up to the * button… do you need to whole down the button for it to follow the eye? Thanks.
Yes, you have to keep the button depressed for eye AF to be activated, when I let it go it goes to the single AF point like a traditional DSLR. Cheers, Duade
Very interesting 🧐.. Simultaneously comparing camera and lenses.
Thanks Adam, I am glad you enjoyed it, Cheers, Duade
Fantastic review, thanks! I am using the Canon R5 and R6 with the RF 100-500. Sold my A9 with the 200-600 (Great glass, excellent camera) because of ease of operation using similar camera bodies. Somtimes, I am missing the precise (60 times per second calculated) AF of my former A9, resulting in more sharp pictures in a serie when tracking. But all in all, R5 and RF 100-500 is a very good, allthough costly combination.
Thanks for sharing your experience Marcel, the Sony is very good once it locks onto the subject, it is very rare to miss focus. The Canon system is very versatile and light making it a great all around kit. Cheers, Duade
Excellent review 👍
and thank you, Cheers, Duade
Great review. I also like to see the battery percentage on the Canon, I just set the MENU button to always start from the favourite menu and put it there, it is fairly quick.
Yes, that is a good point and I also have it on the menu, I would just prefer an option to change it so its always in the viewfinder. Cheers, Duade
Great tip mate
Another interesting video. Hopefully Tamron and Sigma can figure out the Rf mount in time.
Thanks Lachlan, yes, I hope so too. Cheers, Duade
Hi Duade, the A9-2 can this too. 22:29 time. Look at Menu: Setup 2 - Anti-dust Function - Shutter when Pwr OFF.
Thanks Thomas, I knew there would be things I got wrong, I wonder why it is not on by default. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade If dust is getting on your sensor, then it will get on your shutter if it's down. I would much rather give the sensor a quick clean with a blower than get dust stuck in something that needs to move at 1/8000 s, 12x a second.
Great video! I’m trying to decide whether to get the canon 100-500 or wait for a Tamrom RF
Phillip, I am unsure how long it will take Tamron to release RF lenses, the RF100-500 is a beautiful lens and you won't be disappointed by it. Cheers, Duade
Appreciate the efforts and kudos to your knowledge and Photography quality... I wish you have compared with native lens (200-600) than a 3rd party one.
Munish, yes that would have been ideal however I did not have access to the 200-600 unfortunately. It is a wonderful lens. Cheers, Duade
Good content as always. Tough to go wrong with any of the new camera equipment available today. Sony A9ii shooter for the record
Thanks Chris, the A9ii is an excellent camera and I am sure has captured you many wonderful photos. Cheers, Duade
Hope that Canon will open the RF-mount like what Sony did with E-mount so that Sigma and Tamron can join the party! And thank you so much for your review.
Quyen, the Tamron 150-500 would be a fantastic option on the RF mount. Cheers, Duade
Sony opened their E mount out of necessity as their mirrorless body development was well ahead of their lens development. Canon have never opened their mounts. Third parties had to reverse-engineer EF lenses and, with fast animal/human eye AF being more complicated to design, it will take more time to reverse engineer autofocus lenses for the RF mount. That is unfortunate.
HI Duade, can the Tamron lens be mounted on the Canon R6? Is an adapter required? I do have the 150-600 mm Tamron G1 but want to upgrade my body to the R6 at some point. Do you think Tamron or Sigma will eventually come up with new telephoto lenses for the Canon RP mount? Thanks
Jean, not that I am aware of, I also really hope they make RF lenses at some point. This Tamron was a big step up from the G2 lens. Cheers, Duade
Great comparison sir
Thanks Jerrin, Cheers, Duade
Nice video Duade, good to see the R6 doing so well. A9II is a marginal update of the A9 and not worth it. A9 is often heavily discounted and has equal performing AF so making it the value proposition. Main advantage for the A9 is of course the stacked sensor which allows blackout free EVF. Duade note the R6 sort of cheats as it inserts frames to simulate blackout free shooting in the EVF. Also I hate how Canon only allows 20fps in e-shutter, unlike Sony which gives you 20, 10 and 5fps options. Eye AF is a game changer and can't wait until I get my A1 but will be keen to see how the R3 stacks up and we finally get a stacked sensor from Canon and fwiw the R3 looks sensational. I still have most of my Canon glass, which I still use on my Sony's including the 500 f/4L IS II and waiting for feedback from how it performs on the A1 with animal eye-AF. If the R6 was 30MP I probably would have bought one already just to use my Canon 500 and 300. Good news we can't really go wrong as birders nowadays and competition is going to keep improving the breed. Can't wait to see how the Nikon Z9 performs.
Thanks Whayne, totally agree with your comment, ultimately, I didn't find the stacked sensor offered me a huge advantage over the animal eye AF and if I had a choice I would go with the Canon. I agree the fixed 20fps and no audible shutter are very annoying. The blackout free shooting of the Sony is nice but having used the A9ii, A1, R6 and R5 extensively, the difference is minor and not one that I really even notice when shooting in the moment. Whatever Canon have done my brain seems to be able to ignore the blackout now. I can report that the A1 is a sensational camera and works very well. The Eye AF does not pick-up far-off birds as quick as the Canon however when the A1 locks onto the subject you very rarely get soft or out of focus shots. I also hope the R3 is everything we hope it is. Cheers, Duade
Great video Man... I use a Sony A7iii and sigma 100-400, the best AF for my is spot AF.... zone only use for birds in fly.
Thanks Alvaro, I found that the spot works well also. Cheers, Duade
Hi, I'm a german photographer living in Belgium.
I've got the Sony a7iv and I confirm that af struggles with little or dark objects. So I learned not to trust af in these situations.
On the other hand, (human) face detection works fantastic.
It's a pleasure to listen to your videos, very human.
Have a good time on the other side of the planet!
Stefan Wasser u
Thanks Duade, you and Jan have some of the most interesting videos for bird photographers on TH-cam currently.
Spot on relevance to questions I have currently as I can no longer lug around big prime lenses and I am trying to decide between Sony and Canon systems. The Tamron looks fantastic value, as you say its a shame it isn't yet in a Canon fit. Next on the wish list (despite the price difference) is Sony 200-600 on the A1 vs 100-500 on the R5 and R6 ! The Sony lens has a slight reach and aperture advantage over the Cnaon 100-500 on the R6 but maybe the R5 extra megapixels over the R6 could close the gap right up ?
John, keep an eye on our channels over the next month, there will be a lot of Sony content and we should hopefully be able to answer your questions. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade . Brilliant, thanks Duade.
Hope you don’t mind me butting in John but re your comment on the extra cropability of the R5 over the R6, I went for the R5 with the 100-500 for that very reason. For example, in the R5’s 1.6 crop mode you get an effective 800mm of reach with around 17.25MP. I did consider one of the the Alphas with the justifiably popular Sony 200-600 but that lens was bigger and heavier than the 100-500 and, crucially for me, I think the 100-500’s closer focussing makes it a better all round nature and wildlife lens for everything from insects to birds in flight. I haven’t been disappointed.
@@alanwood5590 . Thanks for your input Alan. I never thought about the crop mode because it will surely just throw away the pixels around the perimeter of the image and won’t actually give a reach advantage. The R5 has a higher pixel density than the R6 as it has 45 vs 20 mp on the same size sensor. More pixels per duck will effectively provide more reach.
@@wildcat1065 I agree that crop mode throws away pixels - I referred to it mainly as an example of the resolution of the R5 with that degree of cropping. However when and only when I know I’m going to crop that heavily in post anyway (eg for small insects) I will sometimes use crop mode to have the subject larger in the viewfinder at the point of taking as it makes it easier to see what part of the insect is in sharp focus - and yes I do use magnified view too but that sometimes gives too much magnification for a steady view when hand holding. The 800mm of effective reach in crop mode that I mentioned is really talking about the angle of view as in the case of all crop sensor cameras. Oh, and if I know, I’d be cropping that much in post anyway I figure that I may as well save a bit of disk space by using crop mode in camera.
Interesting comparison, I don't think I've seen the A9 II and R6 compared before and never realized how close the specs are. I have the Canon 100-500 and it's a great lens but I agree with you it's over priced but that's the price you pay for a native RF mount lens right now.
yes, I was also very surprised with just how well the R6 competes with the A9ii given the cost difference. Yes, the RF100-500 is very expensive, but it is a lovely lens. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade the lens is hard to get in the USA, none of the vendors have it.
A9 is similar price as R6 now. I'd skip A9ii and wait for A9iii.
Hi Duade, in regards to the EVFs on both these, are they about the same when moving around and/or tracking / panning with a subject? Don't know if you noticed any lag with either when keeping up a subject, like the display itself falls behind real-time. Thank you!
Hi Mitchell, the R62 is the better option I think for its price point, the vehicle tracking and high FPS make it a very nice camera. The A9II is a great camera but at 2k more and 5 years old I do think they will update this camera in 2023 so might be best to wait if you want the Sony. I don't have any issue tracking in the viewfinder when using high FPS. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade Thanks for your response , Duade! Really appreciate your input. In the States here at least, used a9 IIs are now below $3,000, just a hundred or so more than a new R6 II. I like the native lens choices better, their 200-600 is much more appealing and cheaper than a 100-500 for the longer work. A stacked 33 mp A9 III would be insane if it does ever happen (:
Thanks for this video, again so interring, would be great to have your impressions on R6 and Sigma 150-600, maybe one day I’ll switch on canon 100-500 when budget will fit.
This is the setup I shoot and I absolutely LOVE it. The lens is definitely the limiting factor, but it is an incredibly capable setup
Christian, I understand the sport is a great lens however I have not tried either Sigma lens on the R6/R5 yet. I found the Tamron 150-600 was good but had some focusing issues. Cheers, Duade
I have been watching your video the 150 600 tamron and sigma ef mounts the eye tracking is not as good as the native mount . The rf 100-500 is the lens I am getting I have the Canon RP will let you know how the lens works . Was going to get the R6 but going to wait for R7?
Yes, I think the RF100-500 on the R7 is the kit to wait for. Good luck, Cheers, Duade
Hey Duade, coming back to this video again since it’s the only real R6 a9 comparo on the TH-cam and it’s so good haha. Anyways, talking about the EVFs again, and disregarding the blackout free aspect of the a9, are the two EVFs same resolution in actual use ? Reason I ask is I don’t have any experience handling an a9 but do have some with an R6 and a7iii in a local store. And the r6 looked great, smooth and sharp and very life like. The a7iii was rather horrid I thought. Harsh colors and contrast, aliasing, and quite jittery, and also a notable jitter and drop in res when you hit the af on button and it actually starts focusing. Obviously the a9ii should be better than that, but how much better? Haha. I guess same would go for the a7iv you’re using now, which has same res and refresh specs as the a9 ii. Thank you, Duade! I’m just hesitant about the jitters and res drops when focusing on these Sony cameras after seeing what the a7 iii looked like. Thanks!
that superb fairy wren shot is jaw dropping.
Thank you, I appreciate the feedback, Cheers, Duade
Great comparison review! Would be nice to get a similar review now that sony actually has Bird eye AF even on their "cheaper" models. Value propositition will be different I believe, since Canon still dont allow for third party lenses.
Excellent Video !!
Thank you, Cheers, Duade
Very informative comparison, however, I believe you omitted one of the most important comparisons: e-shutter shooting on fast moving subjects (eg. birds in flight). From what I've seen, the R6 exhibits significantly more rolling shutter when using electronic shutter as it has a much slower read-out speed than the sony with it's stacked sensor.
Jale, yes in hindsight I should have mentioned that benefit, I currently use mechanical for fast moving subjects as 12fps is still very fast. I think overall the Sony system excels at BIF and has a distinct advantage over the Canon at this stage. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade I use nothing but Electronic shutter. The staccato lag in the EVF (using mechanical) on the R6 is not fast enough to keep up BIF...im talking really fast stuff here mind, like these peregrines, or swooping red kites were another.....I would not have a camera now without eye EF either...its game changer for bird shooters. www.flickr.com/photos/130542709@N06/
Thank you very much for the great comparison. I didn't know the a9 was that close to the r6 and even is worse with animal eye AF. However, the Tamron for RF would be a really good and relatively affordable combo. So I would happily trade my Sigma 150-600 C in for it!
Thanks Ralf, yes, I was also surprised with how well the R6 competes with the Sony. Cheers, Duade
One of the bigger differences is in the battery life but was sadly omitted.
People who are price conscious would likely look at the A9 mark1, as it has much of the basic features in the mark2 and only lacks some of the updated connectivity features which isn't relevant to bird photography..
@@nosignal7156 i did not have any problems with batterylife for birding with my r6. However, another batterypack is always in my backpack, and i barely need it. And if you put a battery grip on the r6 you will not have any problems...
@@ralfseidler7141 At the end of the day it's still misleading to list the specs like this and omit one of the main advantages of one of these systems. That's kind of what I was getting at.
Also, batteries get weaker towards the bottom of its capacity, so having 1 strong battery is better than having 2 weak batteries, although it's worth nothing the batteries have equal capacity, it's just that the R6 consumes nearly twice as just juice per mileage.
I'm just curious to know about the overheating issues in the Canon R6, do let me know if there is over heating issue. A9ii has any overheating as well?
Abhishek, I have never had overheating in stills but have encountered overheating on the R6 in 4k video when shooting in hot summer conditions. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade Appreciate your honest feedback about the gears Duade! Do you recommend the R6 ? Since I want to film wildlife more than stills... So short clips mostly I will be doing from 20-30 mins depending on the subjects!
Because in this test long shooting differences and results are not covered, because these bodies are really expensive and if it doesn't solve the purpose, then no point of such huge investments!
Currently I have narrowed down my budget and picked up 3 bodies
1) Canon R6 with EF 100-400mm / RF 100-500mm
2) Nikon Z6 II with 200-500mm Nikorr
3) Sony A7III (Oldest body) with 200-600mm Sony
Would appreciate if you could help me with this query. Thanks, Abhishek.
use a 7Dii typical on manual with auto iso(light can change quickly for me). had opportunity to photo same bird for quite a while. tried different SP and f's. dont do any post processing. iso seemed to have more influence on photo quality than other settings(to a degree). how are newer cameras at handling higher iso's and do you think an R7 will happen? thnx for all of the equipment reviews
The 7Dii at ISO800 is probably similar to the R6 at ISO6400 which is a big difference, the R7 which I assume is likely to happen next year will have far superior noise handling then the 7D. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade wow. i have a lot of low light issues. this would be huge for me. know what i need to save for now. thnx!
Great video
Thank you, Cheers, Duade
I love my r6! I really want that 100-500 tho!
G'day, yes it is a great camera and lens. Cheers, Duade 👍
Hi Duade. Thank you for your time and sharing your knowledge with your video! This may sound too harsh, but do you see that Canon's color science washes away the color saturation seen by the human eye in Nature and Wildlife that some other brands seem to capture more accurately, for example in this case comparing Canon with the Sony and in other cases compared with Nikon photographs?
I am a beginner and seriously impressed with the performance of the R5 with its 100-500 lens. And I like that it has 45MP for cropping and large prints. I shoot with a G9 and Leica 100-400 right now and its a little beast for sure, but I am looking to upgrade in the next year or two to an even more powerful beast for photos and videography.
I am no colour expert to be honest and you have a lot of creative control in post to change a lot of these things. As I have always used Canon and only dabbled with other brands I guess I am used to Canon. The R5 and 100-500 is a beautiful combo. I am excited to see if Canon do release and APSC RF mount this year though. Cheers, Duade
Is this when you load it into lightroom? i think this is because lightroom has no good presets for handling canon files. If you use canon's own raw converter you get the proper files looking how you'd expect them to.
Hi Duade, I was just reviewing this now as am trying to work out whether or not to stick to Canon or go back to Sony. I have been shooting Netball for years and went though A9, A9II and then to Canon R6 with RF 70-200L. Whereas I can see the wildlife advantage of Canon, it didnt translate to a small court sport that has many people moving around together. The A9/A9II AF was far superior in this instance, but am wondering if the new R6II has addressed the Canon issues in this scenario and I see they adopted one of the useful Sony AF modes in this situation (spot AF select and track). I dont know if someone else picked it up earlier, but you missed the fact the A9 has a stacked sensor so in that regard it performs more like the R3 (but was quite a few years ahead of it), hence the greater cost.
Thanks for the video. I have the R6 and 100-500. Just waiting to make more use of it.
Matthew, a great kit, good luck getting out there and enjoying it, Cheers, Duade
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Thanks Shashank, I appreciate it, Cheers, Duade
@Duade minimum focus the Tamron is 0.6m @150mm with 1:3 magnification which makes it one of best in class, not sure if anyone else mentioned this. Otherwise awesome review, still debating this or 150-600 with metabones on A7.
With Sony you can have a 1.4 teleconverter but it had to be paired with the Sony also or you have to manual focus. And this would make you miss too many birds. So it is Sony camera to Sony teleconverter to Sony lens the only way to have auto focus. But this being said I very much enjoy your truthfulness and I thank you for not only showing what works for you as well as what hasn't worked. This for me has made me a watcher of what you have got to say. Well done on this and all what I have seen so far. All the best mate.
G'day Ralph, thanks for the feedback and comment. It is a shame Sony restricts fps of third party lenses. U was very impressed with this lens. Cheers, Duade 👍
Just started watching and havent come to the conclusion yet. I am REALLY glad you are trying Sony, just wish you had a native Sony lens. I have a Sony 200-600 I use for my birding with a 1.4TC and it is amazingly fast and accurate with the birbs. Anyway, gonna watch now.
Ok watched the whole thing. Maybe my other lens, the 100-400 GM would have been better match up. It has insanely close focus.
Thanks, I hope to try the 200-600 soon, Cheers, Duade
Thanks, yes I believe the Tamron is actually more in competition with the 100-400 then the 200-600. Cheers, Duade
Can you do a video of the Tamron 150-500 vs. the Sigma 150-600
G'day Joseph, the Tamron 150-500 is the superior lens but is only available for Sony at the moment. It is very sharp and the AF is excellent. The Sigma is also a great lens but the AF is not quite as good. Cheers, Duade
At first I thought this was an odd matchup, but given they share a similar price I suppose it's reasonable to compare the two. To me it looked like the Canon combo took noticeably sharper images, but the Sony had better subject separation/bokeh, my guess is this comes down to that awesome Canon lens.
Thanks Taylor, yes, I didn't have access to the Sony 200-600 so this was what I had available. Cheers, Duade
Interesting comparison.
Thank you, Cheers, Duade
Nice bird images Duade. I just wanna know when wildlife photography became so expensive? I currently use a Nikon D7500 (£1,000 new in UK) & the Sigma 150-600mm C lens + 1.4 TC (£850 new in UK). So for around $2,000 you have a perfectly good wildlife photography set-up (not so good for video though!) and of course the FPS with electronic shutter is very useful in some situations on mirrorless cameras. I also have the Tamron 18-400mm for my Nikon but image quality is only fair and I have to syop down to F8 to get a sharper imae, the V.C is not very effective & sometimes you get that viewfinder judder too! One plus point is that you can focus as close as 45cm throughout the zoom range which has been good for insect photography :-)
Steve, I agree the Canon Mirrorless system is very expensive, I think the R6 is probably the best value for money at the moment but the L series glass is eye watering in price. I suspect Canon is moving towards high margin low sales volume as the low end gear is being overtaken by phones etc. I agree that you can still take wonderful photos on much more affordable gear. I think the big difference is when the light is poor the new gear shines. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade That's what I figured. Keep up the good work :-)
Thanks for your video.,say hello from Thailand. ☆
Thanks Frits, I hope all is well in your part of the world. Cheers, Duade
Thank you very much dear master.
Seyed, my pleasure, Cheers, Duade
I am looking at purchasing a camera and visited the photography show at the NEC Birmingham (UK) on Saturday. I found the R6 had a much better feel and grip than the A9 (or any other Sony camera). Consequently the R6 plus 100 - 500 (plus battery grip) is my front runner.
David, yes, the R6 is a very impressive camera for the price, considering it has the flagship 1dx3 sensor and the AF of the R5. The RF100-500 is a little expensive and I do wish it was 600mm but the versatility of the lens is unmatched. Good luck with your decision. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade Thanks Duade. I must confess to liking the Sigma 150-600 lens too. I also worry a little about the megapixel size of the R6 in comparison to the R5. May I ask your thoughts on this? The only reason for not going for the D850 is the move to mirrorless and not wanting to have out of date equipment in a short period of time.
Thanks for your time and the grta videos.
Take care, David
can you make a video to tell us what to do to get correct exposure for black and white birds, i mean an exposure that show details on black as well as white just as in your picture here. we do have many B&W birds in Arabia they as called wheatears and Ablak in Arabic, usually when i take picture i over exposure by 2/3 to get correct details on the eye which is usually surrounded by black feathers, but this cause the white details to go, gurrrr.
ammadoux, my advice is to always expose for the whites, it is much easier to recover the blacks then the whites. Make sure to use your blinkies so you can see if any of the whites are clipping. I would usually start at 1/3 under expose and go to under 2/3rds if the whites where still clipped. Good luck, Cheers, Duade
You increased my confusion😂
I have a 90D with a 100-400 mkii and 1.4x iii.
I was thinking of the following options and leaning towards option 2 until I saw this video.
1) Get a Canon R7 and keep my lenses.
2) Move to a used Sony a9 with a 200-600mm.
My decision here will be based on your answer. I'm putting you on spot but please put an end to my confusion🙏🙏
G'day Ashish, I have not used the A9 so hard to judge. The 200-600 is an incredible lens, If Sony come out with a good APSC body I would get that combo. The R7 is a good option with your combo and might be a bit cheaper. Good luck, Cheers, Duade 👍
Jan Wegener showed the Tamron 150-500mm on the Sony A1. It's correct the A1 has animal-AF that works for birds. This Tamron lens works even better on the A1 than on the A9 ii (also according to Jan)! Thanks for this video! ;)
Yes, I am sure it does, the A1 is a fantastic camera, Cheers, Duade
Thats an interesting poll. Megapixels scored pretty low. For me megapixels was my main priority, went all out and got the Sony A7R IV 61MP, its sacrifices a bit on auto focus speed, high ISO performance and FPS but I love it! The concept for me was to have a full frame camera when birds get close but also a 26MP APS-C camera all in 1.
Thanks Curtis, yes that is a great advantage, the R5 is very similar in that you can use crop mode if needed. Cheers, Duade
That's like having a converter!
Hi Duade, I owned an A9II and got great sports photography results from it, but you do need to pair it with Sony G/GM glass to get the AF performance as well as the full frame rate. Other reviews have found some issues with AF performance on non-sony lenses so it may explain the AF issues you had. On top of that the Sony 200-600 G is an incredible lens at a bargain price, having 20% more reach than the Canon, a larger max aperture, and excellent optics at half the price of the Canon 100-500. That being said I am moving (back) to Canon. As you say, the Sony A9II is way over priced and cannot offer the same performance as the Canons. The R5 is available significantly cheaper than the A9II, and is pretty much superior in every way. The issue I faced is there is far more excellent 3rd party lenses for Sony (e.g.: the unbelievable Tamron 35-150 f2-2.8), and certain excellent GM lenses (70-200 GM II, 135 GM). Canon RF glass is expensive and seems a bit of a mixed bag. I have decided to take up the expensive Canon lenses for the deciding factor...support. Sony do not back their product, with woeful warranty for such high priced gear. I think it is because they know it isn't as durable as Canon gear and it also doesn't re-sell well. It is hard to sell second hand Sony gear, but when I sold my old Canon kit it sold well.
Thanks Roger, I agree with what you have said, the 200-600 is a fantastic lens that is for sure. The RF100-500 is a very sharp lens but is very expensive and 500 on a full frame is a touch short. Good luck with the Canon kit, Cheers, Duade
Will the Tamron 150-500 for Canon come out before my back ordered 100-500 is delivered by Canon? Anxiously waiting. Great video!
Richard, no I don't think we will see a Tamron lens for the Canon anytime soon, I believe they have to reverse engineer the RF mount first. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade Such a shame Canon has locked down their mount, it's urgently needs cheaper third party glass, the 100-500L pricing IMO is absurd. You can currently get the faster, longer FL Sony 200-600G for $2K on discount and easily found for $2600 regularly and it's IQ with the 1.4x TC is excellent. Tamron pricing in Australia is too high and weight is not much lighter than the Sony. I would only pay Canon's pricing if it were a 100-500 f/4-5.6L IS and the TC could be used at all FL lengths. I would buy the Tamron for Canon if it were available however.
@@minusinfinity6974 Whayne, I agree that the RF100-500 is expensive in comparison to the Sony 200-600 and it would be nice to have an affordable 600mm on the RF mount. Cheers, Duade
One that would be interesting for sure is comparing Canon 400mm f5, 6 to the rf100-500mm. I belive many are interesred to see if the rf is worth to upgrafe from their 400eds
Best regards Jonathan
Jonathan, I will look at doing that review in the future, Cheers, Duade
Have owned and used both the C R6 and S A9II extensively for birds in flight and perched birds. The problem with the R6 for me is the 7.1 aperture of the Canon 1-5 at 500mm . Add a 1.4 and you're at f9 . While it is heavier the Sony 200-600 is cheaper and faster than the 1-5 with no extension which I prefer. I have owned a Sony 600mm F4 as well that weighs in at 6.7 pounds. Wasn't the weight that bothered me as much as the sheer size of it.
Steve, thanks for the feedback, if I had a choice as my only kit, I would go with the R6 and Sony 200-600, unfortunately they do not work together :-( The Sony lens is the best value birding lens on the market and I only wish Canon had a version. The aperture of the RF100-500 doesn't bother me too much and the t-stops are very similar meaning they both let in similar light. Of course the Sony gives a bit more reach at 600 but does suffer more from focus breathing at close distance. The 100-500 is by far the more versatile lens as it is so light and the MFD is amazing meaning you can shoot macro etc. Cheers, Duade
Nice review. But I'm wondering why you used a Native Camera & Lens for the Canon, and picked an aftermarket lens for the Sony.
Hi Snapper, Tamron sent me the lens and Camera to try so it wasn't really my choice, just using what I had. Cheers, Duade
Hi , as I commented elsewhere I have now this Tamron 150-500 with Sony a7IV which also has birds eye af. After some use I found they work very well together. Comparing birds eye af with my Canon R6 +RF 100-500mm ; the Canon is a winner ,for example small sparrows have very even color and low contrast and a7IV has difficulties to focus on eye which Canon made much easily. With large birds they are more similar. Sony has a very good IQ and you can make it better your camera by tweaking the buttons. So they are real competitors....
Thanks for sharing Erkki, I was very surprised with the quality of this lens and great to hear you found a similar experience. Cheers, Duade
Ozzie the owl looks like he had a rough weekend.
Lol he sure has, Cheers, Duade
I say this as a Canon user--I think the A9 II has less rolling shutter (using the electronic shutter) than the Canon due to its faster readout speed, but it doesn't really bother me because I use mechanical on the R5 and R6. 20 fps is too much to sort through, haha.
Thanks, I too often shoot in mechanical, I do hope in upcoming bodies we can set the FPS in electronic and have the audible shutter. Cheers, Duade
Sir do u know any alternative software to photoshop or Lightroom under $150?
You could use Canon DPP for the Raw files and Gimp to process the photo. Photoshop uses a monthly subscription now which I think is around $15 per month. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade ok thanks duade
I have free Lightroom and will buy dxo pure raw
I use Canon DPP (free) and RAWTHERAPEE (free)
One important difference between the a9ii and the r6: that is not mention in the comparisson in the beginning: stacked sensor
Thank you, yes you are right the stacked sensor is an advantage, I do mention it in the video 1:16 but I didn't go into too much detail. Cheers, Duade
The only thing I wish Canon did differently on the R5 and R6 is give them the 1DX III style joystick.
I would also love the option of an audible shutter as well. Cheers, Duade
The main difference is that the A9II has a stacked sensor. Now for bird photos is not a big deal if the bird is almost stationary. Different situation if the bird is in flight and you need to follow like in panning. The R6 may have some rolling shutter in panning (the bird is not distorted but the background yes, especially vertical things like trees etc). But the good thing is that on the R6 you have a faster mechanical shutter (12 against 10 of A9II). And in electronic on R6 you can go fully to 20fps (but you cannot regulate the FPS like in Sony, is 20 fixed and silent), where on the Sony you can have different fps settings and as you mention the possibility to insert a fake shutter noise that may be useful.
We hope Canon will insert these in next firmware update. I am both a Sony and Canon user. Canon is a bit slower in give attention to the customers' requests comparing to Sony.
Thanks Filippo, I have used both the Sony stacked sensor and the Canon R5/R6 and I did not have any adverse impacts in the field so far. There is no doubt the stacked sensor has a big advantage, it's just hard to know if it justifies an extra $2000. I admit I don't do a lot of bird in flight so it does not impact me as much. I also hope Canon introduce an audible shutter and the ability to change the FPS. Cheers, Duade
Sir u have to use it on lower model like sony a7iii and canon eos r ..for comparison becoz who ever want buy tamron 150 500 for sony is mostly using lower end body ....so pls review regarding it.......pls compare between sony 100 400mm and 150 500 or sony 200 600..,canon is different thing...canon have not direct third party lense like 150 500 in canon mount..
dharmesh, yes it would have been nice to test one of Sony's APSC cameras also as I agree the A9ii is very expensive and likely wouldn't be the camera people would pair with the Tamron lens. Unfortunately, I only had access to the A9ii so I was unable to test any other cameras. Cheers, Duade
@@Duade thank you
Canons bird eye AF is a game changer. I'm a Sony user and it's going to take a long time for that to filter down from the A1 to lower priced models, I'm hoping the A7IV will have it and pair up with my 200-600.
Sico, that would be a great combo that is for sure. I think they will give Eye AF to subsequent models. Cheers, Duade
You must be happy to learn that it indeed trickled down.
coming from mft, I almost went R6 but the 20mp killed it for me (wanted a bit more than 4mp bump but not too much either). Landed on a Sony a7iii. Still using my Lumix G85 for wildlife and the sony for landscape / people. I'm chilling here for a bit before I pull the trigger on a sony a6xxx with a 600mm zoom (both for $ reasons and to see if Sony releases an A7 body with a crop sensor). OF course, if Canon releases an aps-c R body, I'll know I made the wrong the decision. I do REALLY enjoy the sony's body and the images that come out of it. Only gripe is that Sony's touch screen (for focusing) is comically bad - both Lumix and Canon's are far superior. Menu sucks but only really use it once.
Excellent review. I think either combo is great. Ultimately, i went sony because of the 3rd party lens support in 2021.
Thanks Ryan, if Sony came out with an APSC body with eye tracking at an affordable price I think I would buy that just to access the 200-600. Cheers, Duade
you can do super35 on sony to take it as APSC and has a 1.5X zoom range, so it become 750mm. so A7R4 is a better camera for super 35, as it has a higher resolution even after Crop
James, yes, the larger MP cameras do offer an advantage of being able to use a crop mode. I would be interested to see how the noise and AF performs when photographing birds. Cheers, Duade