I love it! I have owned and extensively cruised 4 different cruising boats. And as a US Sailing cruising instructor, have sailed hundreds of different boats. ALL boats are a set of compromises. This looks like a good set to me! Love the light ends, the long thin hulls, the pod, great engine access. Yanmar and Spade, two good equipment choices. I think that you will have a blast.
Thanks, yeah we’re pretty happy with our choice. It’s been two years and there are no regrets yet! One of the pros of the boat was the quality of equipment fitted and ease of access to it. It helps make maintenance a little easier.
I have a 8.5m pod cat. As he says many advantages. The pod is so much more quiet, no wave slapping at anchor and a good nights sleep. You feel very safe, no need for guard rails. The beauty of a performance cat, is that cruising you are rarely above half throttle, so to speak. So lots in hand giving a safety measure if the wind pipes up. The downside is that you will probably have a rig that is not easy / quick to reef. And remember that has to be able to be done by the weakest crew member
The podcat design is a cool concept with some unique features and downsides. What kind of model is yours? Having a big powerful boat like this requires sailing conservatively but it can still cause some hairy moments when you are caught offguard as Mike mentioned
Yes, pod cats don't seem to be for everyone. I think the idea seems too weird for most people but in reality if they stepped aboard one they'd realise they work very well. Komotion is surprisingly easy to reef actually. The Antal batt car system works very well, we can pull a slab down even when sailing off the wind, or to make things easier we come up a bit and oversheet the jib so it back winds the main. The halyard is whipped to mark the reef positions and I have sparcraft shackles on strops at the mast to clip onto the reef tack points. The reef clew lines are led aft. It's quick and fairly easy but the weakest crew member is only 5 so that's a tall order for her!
What a fantastic interview, and what superb insights into the practicalities of "real" cruising with a family on a boat like this, from someone who knows perfectly what he's talking about.
So, Mike is right on with his assessment of the design (as far as I can tell having never sailed the boat) and 240 nautical miles a day should be fairly easy. The younger the kids are, of course, the more important it is to keep things mellow. 240 nautical miles, per 24 hours, is sailing an average speed of 8 knots at night and 12 knots during daylight hours. Even in light trade winds, they should be able to do this with ease - they don't even need the additional headsails to make those miles. Paul Bieker designed 53 footer named Fujin which has a similar design philosophy. Komotion looks like a real winner!
Fujin is a super cool boat, though I think she was commissioned more to race than cruise. I heard there is a Fujin 2.0 on the cards, looking forward to seeing that!
a very nice boat , always nice to have that speed in reserve as a safety too ,maybe harder work but sailing out of a rough system with more in the tank is better than being run over . Sound like some good thinking in the build to ,cost benefit analysis . Is rig and or stays carbon ?. fiber
What a fantastic boat and a great owner. Hope you'll come to the Andaman Ocean and Thailand. Love to see this boat at Chalong harbor, let's go do some great scuba diving.
Thanks for your kind words. My wife and I travelled through Thailand and the Andamans several years ago on a boat we were working on. Absolutely loved it and would love to come back on our own boat!
It’s all about finding a boat with the compromises that work for your sailing. Interviewing loads of different owners and their boats it’s nice to see that everyone has found the right boat for them. Combining price, sailing capabilities, size, cost to run etc. There is a boat for everyone, just have to have your priorities straight.
I’ve been sailing over 70 years (frightening statistic when I see it in writing!) but in my experience it is rare for people to analyse what sort of sailing they are going to do, and then to base their boat choice on that analysis. I have good friends that are looking for boat number 4, and they still haven’t learnt this lesson! They asked for my advice on boat number 3, ignored it, with the expected consequences. Having seen their list of requirements for this boat (so they have learnt something?) I shan’t be offering further advice. The list is full of conflicting requirements. The boat must be fast and require minimum maintenance - “we want to sail, not work on the boat”. It must also have deep freeze, water maker, washing machine, diesel generator, be approx 14 meters LOA and be easily handled by two. 😱 Oh, and affordable.
Being honest about the mission is so important. @@billfromgermany There are many things I'd like to add to this boat (and some taken away!) but really it has very little we don't need and pretty much everything we do. And the rest we just deal with. eg. better foulies vs a more protected helm position! I grew up sailing boats that were pretty basic and quite unergonomic so it is easier for me to just accept a boat as it is and get on with sailing it!
Really cool boat. And great presentation by the owner. When cruising with family, it is really all about making those easy miles which high performance boat makes possible.
Fujin ...is a semi flying cat .. and built as a racer and after a flip over rebuilt as a cruiser. This is definately a sports cat ..and is very like the pioneering french Edel cats... But much larger and more powerful. I would look to add a streamlined helm station/s cover/s to shelter from the elements sun and Storms. The French use cork as hull insulation ..it works both ways its very safe being organic rot proof and very light its great under foot its also fire ressistant and doesnt give off toxic gas or smoke.
As a fellow South African, I would love to follow you, Sarah and your family around the world. Please create a TH-cam channel and share your amazing lives with us. Sailing Commotion sounds good, and it will offer us a great escape from our daily lives in SA.
I believe they can store a lot of food under the floor in the pod, they also have a second fridge. They at least had enough space to store enough food for 4 adults and 4 kids for the crossing 😅
Yep, we love our Andersens for their robust design and build, however there are two things I don't like about them: firstly, the plastic trim ring above the upper self tailing jaw is not suitably UV proof and they have all cracked. Replacement are very expensive: Eur75 for a bit of plastic! (I might fabricate some carbon fibre ones for a bit of bling factor!) And then the much lauded "power rib" drum. Yes, they grip lines very well, but they do make it difficult to ease a line smoothly. The lines jump when eased. But they should last forever!
Aaaah the orange one! 🤣 My kids found it in a charity store! I love it for cold watch keeping! We were hiding out from 40 knot westerlies off a wind swept beach in Spain in that pic.
Kick up rudders is something Mike had been thinking about but just too much work to change it. It is a very special boat and not many people would like to own it. So putting a price on it is hard. Mike got a good deal is all I know.
@@Boatlifeisbest I could handle it. The part that I don't like is the plywood construction and the transom being out of the water. I wish that they would do a TH-cam channel. What was the boat built for? I haven't seen another catamaran like it before.
It is a velum 72. One off built for a rich first owner. I think there were ideas to produce more but this is the only one out there as far as I know. A boat like this has other issues next to the huge performance and sail area. Running costs are high with massive blocks, lines etc. Mike works in the super yacht industry so can get a lot of good second hand stuff to use on his boat to keep costs down. Another thing is the width only very few boatyards can actually lift her out. Marina costs are also a thing off course, she has a rather big footprint and is therefore almost exclusively kept on anchor.
@@Boatlifeisbest Have you've seen the new Carbon Cat build? It's on TH-cam. I'm about ready to build a Mumby Cyber 48. I started racing Naple Sabots at 8 and then got into Laser racing. Then I got a Tornado and won an Olympic qualifying regatta with four 1st and one 2nd with about 120 boats on the starting line. I also raced Nacra 6.0 and Nacra 5.8. The Tornado didn't have enough positive buoyancy in the bow like a Hobie Cat and liked to pitch pole in light air so after the first race, I sold it for profit. I got 6th place in the Laser North Americans and 6th in the Flight of the Lasers. I also won the Sabot Nationals but was disqualified after winning because I was a few day older than allowed which I didn't know about till the end. I also sailed 1/3rd around the world for a year aboard a 165 ft. gaff rigged schooner called TeVega that is now called DEVA. I want to continue my circumnavigation and figure that the Mumby is the best affordable cat to get.
Sounds like you have a lot of racing cat experience! I can see why you are so into performance catamarans 😉 I think biggest question always is how much money and time do you have. Building a 48ft cat is going to take at least 2 years in a yard and many more id you do it yourself. The mumby seems like a sweet cat though. To do it cheaper and quicker looking on the second hand market is a good idea. There are some very cool cats out there depending on budget. If you want to chat about options just hit me up.
We hauled out a few months ago in Mallorca. Their travelift handled us easily, as did the one in Canet en Roussillon, France. Other options are Martinique, Trinidad, Australia... there are several places actually. As for marinas, we tend to avoid them but have spent a couple of days in Gibraltar and Las Palmas for surprisingly low cost and without any issues.
Thanks Mike! We were looking seriously at a Catana 471 in Australia before we found this boat. Nice boats and probably better family cruising boats in many ways.
Thanks! But I think a boat becomes what it is used for. Like the boats doing the Golden Globe Race. They're traditional, heavy cruising boats racing around the world, so they are performing the role of round the world race boats. My family is cruising on this cat, so it's a family cruiser. Setting the mission is important, as is realising the limits of the boat and operating within those limits.
Enjoy the lovely boat/experience ! (After many years on legal work I've become somewhat exacting - one person's use/interpretation doesn't change the accepted use/meaning. E.g. if a pensioners' club takes kickboxing 😲the latter won't become retirees' sport 😂).
Yeah she's got legs! More important to us than outright speed is being able to do decent low stress mileages and that's where long, lean and light really plays dividends on a cruising boat.
Thanks, but no, I'm not really. There is so much content out there already I seriously don't think I have that much to add. But if I put some cool footage together from our trips I'll stick it up here!
She's ended up being a one off, but the original designer (Eric Jean) did have the idea of a small semi-production run as the "Velum 72". Eric Lerouge was also involved in the design of her beams.
This looks a lot like a boat I was following on YachtWorld as the price dropped over a year or so if memory serves. I think is was for sale about two years ago if indeed this boat is the same one I was following.
I found it thanks. Yes, this is the one I was watching, you bought the boat, congratulations. As I said they were asking over $1 million to start. I found a listing for just under $600k. I didn't have the money, hell still don't LOL. Figured it could be had for mid to low $400k. You did well. Hope she is sea kindly, looks fast. Can't wait to see some drone shots of you all pushing her. Again, congrats on your purchase and good luck with her. Thanks for letting me know how to find the listing, Dan. @@Boatlifeisbest
It's a really interesting design, but I keep thinking there is little difference between this and a trimaran regarding living space. So what are the other differences?
That's a great question. I love trimarans, and was really considering a number of tris before finding this boat. But there is actually a LOT more space on Komotion than on a comparable performance tri. The amas of even a 70 foot tri have very little room in them (they need to be kept narrow and light) whereas our hulls are wide enough for a comfortable double bunk. A performance tri's main hull, even with a big flare at the waterline, would be considerably narrower than our pod which is almost 4.5m wide. I'm sure you could build a very cool trimaran with similar characteristics but there certainly wasn't one for sale within our budget when I was looking. The Hughes 63s "Atlantis" and "Rosinante" look like very cool boats. It would be interesting to see how they compare in space, comfort and speed.
@@catamaransailing Thanks for the reply. I guess I was thinking that for a similar length tri, it would have acoomodation in the armas. This pod design is a real alternative.
You can certainly put accomodation in the amas@@earthstick The Neel trimarans do I think. But I'm not sure I would put them in the same performance league. Maybe I'm wrong, I just don't know enough about them. If you were building from scratch you could do something pretty special, but it's interesting to note that neither Rosinante or Atlantic have anything in the amas other than a bit of storage for light gear.
@@catamaransailing The Neel isn't in the same league as your cat, a Dragon Fly or Rapido is a better comparison. The armas on the Dragon Fly are not accomodation but then they don't make on a similar size. I think your cat is very appealing. But I'm just dreaming, I mean how could I single hand anything that size?
@@earthstick well they're sailing foiling 130' tris solo round the world now, so I guess anything is possible! When it's just my family aboard I do tend to do a lot of the sailing by myself. Like on any boat, the key is planning it all out beforehand and taking it one thing at a time.
Interesting boat. 15 tons is very light for its plan area. Certainly don't agree with all of the design decisions, and think a more humane arrangement can be designed while retaining weight and performance. See for example Chris White's Atlantics. Very much agree with a performance boat to be able to sail more efficiently in light winds and not sailing anywhere near full power for cruising. Very sensible.
We find her pretty "humane" actually and are very comfortable living aboard, even with another family of four during our recent Atlantic crossing, but I agree that a CW Atlantic 55/57 is a fantastic cruising machine. Unfortunately they're also out of my budget. You can't have it all!
@@catamaransailing Thanks. My main point is that relatively low weight is something that can be designed while still having comfortable and practical living spaces. See also various Aussie cats.
I'm not sure where you're getting your info but you obviously have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. This boat has never flipped. The port hull flooded several years ago after the daggerboard case inspection plate failed. The boat remained afloat with the pod and starboard hull completely dry while she was towed back to shore. Since then both hulls have been fitted with multiple watertight compartments in addition to the daggerboard case inspection covers being upgraded. But please, keep making assumptions based on false information. It's the path to happiness and success!
The boat was for sale at 490k asking. Off course it is going to be a lot of money but way more affordable than a outremer 55 or gunboat or similar performing boat. On a big boat everything does become more expensive to replace and maintain but Komotion is setup in a pretty simple way with not too many systems.
I continue to work while cruising. The boat is not cheap, but compared to other performance cruising cats I think she represents good value, especially when you consider the build quality and level of detail in her finish. IMO a well built second hand custom built boat represents so much more value than a second hand production boat because production builders just can’t put that many hours into a boat.
This isnt a big boat, its a long boat. Mono or multihull a long waterline is unbeatable. My own monohull is a 60ft boat with a 60ft waterline and a lightship displacement of 15 tons. We average 200 miles per day. Length and size are - often wrongly- conflated. Why do so few understand the importance of waterline length? I hate short fat heavy boats with a fierce passion.
Definitely agree with you, it is a huge platform but kept light and simple. As Mike says, a 40ft modern cruising catamaran has more space and technical systems but no where close on the performance. Waterline length is hard to beat, only problem is if you want to go into marinas, then the costs can be prohibitive. But as a full time liveaboard in the right areas marinas can be almost always avoided. What kind of boat are you sailing yourself?
Exactly. Berthing was probably the single biggest item on the "against" side of our pre-purchase evaluation, but it is less of an issue if you have no interest in marinas. Hauling out is of course more difficult too, but can be managed with good planning. But a huge plus is the easy speed and more comfortable motion at sea. Cats will never have the motion of a nice mono but having long, slim hulls makes it SO much better than your typical condomaran.
@@catamaransailing I'm guessing it's a lot harder to get into a lot of smaller anchorages with such a large boat? Or do you not care about that sort of thing?
It certainly can be a challenge@@TC-yx1qt but we tend to prefer less crowded anchorages anyway. We have got into some pretty tight spots with stern lines tied ashore though.
It was kind of sad to me that this magnificent sailing machine will be throttled down with these owners. Kind of like buying an old F1 car to go the grocery store in. This should have a crew of sailors racing the crap out of her. Mike correctly points out he could have far more accommodation in a 40' Lagoon. Surely there was something in between? A Chris White design perhaps? Not SO much boat to handle, and a lot more comfort.
Thanks for your comment. We regularly sail Komotion into the high teens/low 20’s so I really don’t think we’re keeping her *that* throttled down, and it’s quite normal to sail a bit more conservatively when cruising, especially at night. She was never built as a racing boat, though I do hope to race her in the future. I agree a CW Atlantic 55/57 would have been a great boat for us. Unfortunately we didn’t have the budget for one! Also, we find Komotion has more than enough space and comfort for us. Fair winds.
I’m pretty sure my kids would disagree with you, and I know 100% my wife would. I’m not sure how you can make a comment like that without ever having lived on it? Not to mention you know nothing about my family. We don’t all want a floating condo.
They all seemed pretty stoked and happy when I’ve met them the two times we shared an anchorage. Just crossed the ocean with another family and everyone is a-okay and having a good time!
@@mosca3289 thanks very much! That is the idea. I feel it is a richer experience for them living on a boat that is very much a boat first and a house second.😊
Not sure how I happened across this video, as this cat is anchored right behind us!!! What an amazing boat!
What a banger 🤙
Glad you liked it! Full technical tour coming up this weekend!
did not expect you guys lol. Hope everyrthing is going well for you!
There is just something so beautiful about cats over 60 feet. They look so good in the water.
wow, so much !
I love it! I have owned and extensively cruised 4 different cruising boats. And as a US Sailing cruising instructor, have sailed hundreds of different boats. ALL boats are a set of compromises. This looks like a good set to me! Love the light ends, the long thin hulls, the pod, great engine access. Yanmar and Spade, two good equipment choices. I think that you will have a blast.
Thanks, yeah we’re pretty happy with our choice. It’s been two years and there are no regrets yet! One of the pros of the boat was the quality of equipment fitted and ease of access to it. It helps make maintenance a little easier.
Excellent 😀 Thanks for taking the time to show us around your boat.
Glad you liked it! Follow along for more boat tours coming up!
I have a 8.5m pod cat. As he says many advantages.
The pod is so much more quiet, no wave slapping at anchor and a good nights sleep.
You feel very safe, no need for guard rails.
The beauty of a performance cat, is that cruising you are rarely above half throttle, so to speak. So lots in hand giving a safety measure if the wind pipes up.
The downside is that you will probably have a rig that is not easy / quick to reef. And remember that has to be able to be done by the weakest crew member
The podcat design is a cool concept with some unique features and downsides. What kind of model is yours? Having a big powerful boat like this requires sailing conservatively but it can still cause some hairy moments when you are caught offguard as Mike mentioned
Yes, pod cats don't seem to be for everyone. I think the idea seems too weird for most people but in reality if they stepped aboard one they'd realise they work very well. Komotion is surprisingly easy to reef actually. The Antal batt car system works very well, we can pull a slab down even when sailing off the wind, or to make things easier we come up a bit and oversheet the jib so it back winds the main. The halyard is whipped to mark the reef positions and I have sparcraft shackles on strops at the mast to clip onto the reef tack points. The reef clew lines are led aft. It's quick and fairly easy but the weakest crew member is only 5 so that's a tall order for her!
What model boat do you have?
@@TC-yx1qt Woods Gypsy 5.4m wide!
@@TC-yx1qt ….haha, it is a real boat…not a model
Sooo cool! Fair winds to you and your beautiful family Mike. T
Glad you liked it!
What a fantastic interview, and what superb insights into the practicalities of "real" cruising with a family on a boat like this, from someone who knows perfectly what he's talking about.
So, Mike is right on with his assessment of the design (as far as I can tell having never sailed the boat) and 240 nautical miles a day should be fairly easy. The younger the kids are, of course, the more important it is to keep things mellow. 240 nautical miles, per 24 hours, is sailing an average speed of 8 knots at night and 12 knots during daylight hours. Even in light trade winds, they should be able to do this with ease - they don't even need the additional headsails to make those miles. Paul Bieker designed 53 footer named Fujin which has a similar design philosophy. Komotion looks like a real winner!
Fujin is a super cool boat, though I think she was commissioned more to race than cruise. I heard there is a Fujin 2.0 on the cards, looking forward to seeing that!
I bet that Komotion costs a lot less than Fujin too!@@catamaransailing
That is for sure!@@rickemmet1104
a very nice boat , always nice to have that speed in reserve as a safety too ,maybe harder work but sailing out of a rough system with more in the tank is better than being run over . Sound like some good thinking in the build to ,cost benefit analysis . Is rig and or stays carbon ?. fiber
What a fantastic boat and a great owner. Hope you'll come to the Andaman Ocean and Thailand. Love to see this boat at Chalong harbor, let's go do some great scuba diving.
Thanks for your kind words. My wife and I travelled through Thailand and the Andamans several years ago on a boat we were working on. Absolutely loved it and would love to come back on our own boat!
nice to see this amazing cat, and to check your channel
Glad you liked it! Many more interesting videos of boats coming up.
Boat looks amazing and love the owners attitude.
Thanks very much! We try to concentrate on the positives about our boat and deal practically with the drawbacks. Much like life!
Nice to hear such an experienced sailor make the point the “every boat is a compromise”.
It’s all about finding a boat with the compromises that work for your sailing. Interviewing loads of different owners and their boats it’s nice to see that everyone has found the right boat for them. Combining price, sailing capabilities, size, cost to run etc. There is a boat for everyone, just have to have your priorities straight.
I’ve been sailing over 70 years (frightening statistic when I see it in writing!) but in my experience it is rare for people to analyse what sort of sailing they are going to do, and then to base their boat choice on that analysis. I have good friends that are looking for boat number 4, and they still haven’t learnt this lesson! They asked for my advice on boat number 3, ignored it, with the expected consequences. Having seen their list of requirements for this boat (so they have learnt something?) I shan’t be offering further advice. The list is full of conflicting requirements. The boat must be fast and require minimum maintenance - “we want to sail, not work on the boat”. It must also have deep freeze, water maker, washing machine, diesel generator, be approx 14 meters LOA and be easily handled by two. 😱 Oh, and affordable.
Being honest about the mission is so important. @@billfromgermany There are many things I'd like to add to this boat (and some taken away!) but really it has very little we don't need and pretty much everything we do. And the rest we just deal with. eg. better foulies vs a more protected helm position! I grew up sailing boats that were pretty basic and quite unergonomic so it is easier for me to just accept a boat as it is and get on with sailing it!
@@billfromgermany And 5 ton max light weight. And electric engines. And air conditioner. And Home Theater.
Jacuzzi optional but preferred.
😂@@handroids1981
This type of boat needs a crazy Saffa as an owner 😅. Great work!
Haha yeah I have been accused of being a bit loose once or twice!
Thanks for showing around and all the explanations!! Regards from Switzerland!
Really cool boat. And great presentation by the owner. When cruising with family, it is really all about making those easy miles which high performance boat makes possible.
Groovy episode.
Fantastic Boat mate. Fair winds on your Atlantic Crossing. Kiaora.
The crossing went well, no breakages, three 240nm days and no diesel burnt. We took it very easy with another family onboard with us.
Deeply impressed.
Thanks for your comment, she is something unusual and we love her!
Love it!!! My new favorite
I have been working on this boat after it sank in the south of France during the first Covid lock down. Amazing to see that she sail again.
That’s cool! She’s definitely being sailed and enjoyed again!
You mean after the port hull flooded? Would be really interested to talk to you about that!
@@catamaransailing yes after that. For the refit, yes sure with pleasure.
Fujin ...is a semi flying cat .. and built as a racer and after a flip over rebuilt as a cruiser.
This is definately a sports cat ..and is very like the pioneering french Edel cats... But much larger and more powerful.
I would look to add a streamlined helm station/s cover/s to shelter from the elements sun and Storms.
The French use cork as hull insulation ..it works both ways its very safe being organic rot proof and very light its great under foot its also fire ressistant and doesnt give off toxic gas or smoke.
Definitely 'Dads choice' of boat!!
Hahaha and mom's surprisingly!!!
faaaanntaaastic boat, thanks for charing
I enjoyed that. Subscribed.
Love it. Not for everyone, but pod cat, loads of storage and wood / epoxy… sweet👌
Somewhat reminiscent of Dazzle, the unofficial Dazcat.
As a fellow South African, I would love to follow you, Sarah and your family around the world.
Please create a TH-cam channel and share your amazing lives with us. Sailing Commotion sounds good, and it will offer us a great escape from our daily lives in SA.
You can follow them on instagram and Facebook. Making TH-cam videos is a lot of work for very little pay so definitely not for everyone 😅
Nice boat and nice concept
Did I miss the food storage?
I believe they can store a lot of food under the floor in the pod, they also have a second fridge. They at least had enough space to store enough food for 4 adults and 4 kids for the crossing 😅
Yep, there is food storage under the settees in the pod. During our crossing we also had dry stores in the forward hull compartments.
Very cool!
Yoh! Lekker boat 👌🏽⛵️
thanks! yes, definitely a cool one
what a gem
Beautiful boat...
Thank you. We feel very lucky to have ended up with her.
Anderson winches, what a find.
I’ve come to find that almost all serious sailors and boats use Anderson winches. They are a great design and seem to have a long lifetime!
Yep, we love our Andersens for their robust design and build, however there are two things I don't like about them: firstly, the plastic trim ring above the upper self tailing jaw is not suitably UV proof and they have all cracked. Replacement are very expensive: Eur75 for a bit of plastic! (I might fabricate some carbon fibre ones for a bit of bling factor!) And then the much lauded "power rib" drum. Yes, they grip lines very well, but they do make it difficult to ease a line smoothly. The lines jump when eased. But they should last forever!
cool boat, cool name, cool video.
Cool comment! Thanks!
Where was this interview filmed? Thanks.
This was filmed at Palma Nova on Mallorca
BEAUTY!!!!! what is source of mike's hat?
😂 The black one? It comes from a boat that I work on.
Aaaah the orange one! 🤣 My kids found it in a charity store! I love it for cold watch keeping! We were hiding out from 40 knot westerlies off a wind swept beach in Spain in that pic.
That is such a cool cat! I love it! I'm wondering what it's worth. I'd like to see kick up rudders like a Cyber has.
Kick up rudders is something Mike had been thinking about but just too much work to change it. It is a very special boat and not many people would like to own it. So putting a price on it is hard. Mike got a good deal is all I know.
@@Boatlifeisbest I could handle it. The part that I don't like is the plywood construction and the transom being out of the water. I wish that they would do a TH-cam channel. What was the boat built for? I haven't seen another catamaran like it before.
It is a velum 72. One off built for a rich first owner. I think there were ideas to produce more but this is the only one out there as far as I know. A boat like this has other issues next to the huge performance and sail area. Running costs are high with massive blocks, lines etc. Mike works in the super yacht industry so can get a lot of good second hand stuff to use on his boat to keep costs down. Another thing is the width only very few boatyards can actually lift her out. Marina costs are also a thing off course, she has a rather big footprint and is therefore almost exclusively kept on anchor.
@@Boatlifeisbest Have you've seen the new Carbon Cat build? It's on TH-cam. I'm about ready to build a Mumby Cyber 48. I started racing Naple Sabots at 8 and then got into Laser racing. Then I got a Tornado and won an Olympic qualifying regatta with four 1st and one 2nd with about 120 boats on the starting line. I also raced Nacra 6.0 and Nacra 5.8. The Tornado didn't have enough positive buoyancy in the bow like a Hobie Cat and liked to pitch pole in light air so after the first race, I sold it for profit. I got 6th place in the Laser North Americans and 6th in the Flight of the Lasers. I also won the Sabot Nationals but was disqualified after winning because I was a few day older than allowed which I didn't know about till the end. I also sailed 1/3rd around the world for a year aboard a 165 ft. gaff rigged schooner called TeVega that is now called DEVA. I want to continue my circumnavigation and figure that the Mumby is the best affordable cat to get.
Sounds like you have a lot of racing cat experience! I can see why you are so into performance catamarans 😉 I think biggest question always is how much money and time do you have. Building a 48ft cat is going to take at least 2 years in a yard and many more id you do it yourself. The mumby seems like a sweet cat though. To do it cheaper and quicker looking on the second hand market is a good idea. There are some very cool cats out there depending on budget. If you want to chat about options just hit me up.
we didn’t see the starboard hull, did we? I love the looks of that cat. the designer is totally in love with the sea.
The starboard hull is the "guest wing", it's a mirror image of port, but with a lot less kids crap in it! :-)
Nice sled 🛷 my type of boat clean and fast
Glad you like her!
It’s great how do you lift it out? No travel lift can lift a yacht that wide unless you find a shipyard and no marina can take that width?
We hauled out a few months ago in Mallorca. Their travelift handled us easily, as did the one in Canet en Roussillon, France. Other options are Martinique, Trinidad, Australia... there are several places actually. As for marinas, we tend to avoid them but have spent a couple of days in Gibraltar and Las Palmas for surprisingly low cost and without any issues.
Nice boat Mike from another Saffer Mike 😂 . We have a Catana not as beasty as yours for sure
Thanks Mike! We were looking seriously at a Catana 471 in Australia before we found this boat. Nice boats and probably better family cruising boats in many ways.
Tnx.
Fantastic boat, would love one, But "family cruiser" it isn't by any measure.
Thanks! But I think a boat becomes what it is used for. Like the boats doing the Golden Globe Race. They're traditional, heavy cruising boats racing around the world, so they are performing the role of round the world race boats. My family is cruising on this cat, so it's a family cruiser. Setting the mission is important, as is realising the limits of the boat and operating within those limits.
Enjoy the lovely boat/experience ! (After many years on legal work I've become somewhat exacting - one person's use/interpretation doesn't change the accepted use/meaning. E.g. if a pensioners' club takes kickboxing 😲the latter won't become retirees' sport 😂).
@@observer2172 good point and well made! Fair winds!
15 tons fully loaded for a 72 ft Cat!! My god that thing must be fast.
Yeah she's got legs! More important to us than outright speed is being able to do decent low stress mileages and that's where long, lean and light really plays dividends on a cruising boat.
You are probably not planning to do a TH-cam channel but at least post some of your Atlantic crossing. It should be a fun to watch.
What a cool design
Thanks, but no, I'm not really. There is so much content out there already I seriously don't think I have that much to add. But if I put some cool footage together from our trips I'll stick it up here!
Looks amazing! Stay out of marinas though!
Hahaha yep, damn straight! That’s the plan!!!
what brand of cat is it ?
It’s a Velum 72. Custom built
She's ended up being a one off, but the original designer (Eric Jean) did have the idea of a small semi-production run as the "Velum 72". Eric Lerouge was also involved in the design of her beams.
my fellow South Africans :)
Aweh!
This looks a lot like a boat I was following on YachtWorld as the price dropped over a year or so if memory serves. I think is was for sale about two years ago if indeed this boat is the same one I was following.
We bought her about two years ago.
Was the listing price around $600k down from $1mill and change?@@catamaransailing
You can still see the old listing if you search for Lord Dickie
I found it thanks. Yes, this is the one I was watching, you bought the boat, congratulations. As I said they were asking over $1 million to start. I found a listing for just under $600k. I didn't have the money, hell still don't LOL. Figured it could be had for mid to low $400k. You did well.
Hope she is sea kindly, looks fast. Can't wait to see some drone shots of you all pushing her.
Again, congrats on your purchase and good luck with her. Thanks for letting me know how to find the listing, Dan. @@Boatlifeisbest
What a boat
Thankyou for your comment, we feel she is something quite special!
@@catamaransailing If you ever need someone to wash the dishes, I am your man. Fair winds
It's a really interesting design, but I keep thinking there is little difference between this and a trimaran regarding living space. So what are the other differences?
That's a great question. I love trimarans, and was really considering a number of tris before finding this boat. But there is actually a LOT more space on Komotion than on a comparable performance tri. The amas of even a 70 foot tri have very little room in them (they need to be kept narrow and light) whereas our hulls are wide enough for a comfortable double bunk. A performance tri's main hull, even with a big flare at the waterline, would be considerably narrower than our pod which is almost 4.5m wide. I'm sure you could build a very cool trimaran with similar characteristics but there certainly wasn't one for sale within our budget when I was looking. The Hughes 63s "Atlantis" and "Rosinante" look like very cool boats. It would be interesting to see how they compare in space, comfort and speed.
@@catamaransailing Thanks for the reply. I guess I was thinking that for a similar length tri, it would have acoomodation in the armas. This pod design is a real alternative.
You can certainly put accomodation in the amas@@earthstick The Neel trimarans do I think. But I'm not sure I would put them in the same performance league. Maybe I'm wrong, I just don't know enough about them. If you were building from scratch you could do something pretty special, but it's interesting to note that neither Rosinante or Atlantic have anything in the amas other than a bit of storage for light gear.
@@catamaransailing The Neel isn't in the same league as your cat, a Dragon Fly or Rapido is a better comparison. The armas on the Dragon Fly are not accomodation but then they don't make on a similar size. I think your cat is very appealing. But I'm just dreaming, I mean how could I single hand anything that size?
@@earthstick well they're sailing foiling 130' tris solo round the world now, so I guess anything is possible! When it's just my family aboard I do tend to do a lot of the sailing by myself. Like on any boat, the key is planning it all out beforehand and taking it one thing at a time.
Interesting boat. 15 tons is very light for its plan area. Certainly don't agree with all of the design decisions, and think a more humane arrangement can be designed while retaining weight and performance. See for example Chris White's Atlantics.
Very much agree with a performance boat to be able to sail more efficiently in light winds and not sailing anywhere near full power for cruising. Very sensible.
We find her pretty "humane" actually and are very comfortable living aboard, even with another family of four during our recent Atlantic crossing, but I agree that a CW Atlantic 55/57 is a fantastic cruising machine. Unfortunately they're also out of my budget. You can't have it all!
@@catamaransailing Thanks. My main point is that relatively low weight is something that can be designed while still having comfortable and practical living spaces. See also various Aussie cats.
Already flipped,so great family boat,YEAH RITE
I'm not sure where you're getting your info but you obviously have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. This boat has never flipped. The port hull flooded several years ago after the daggerboard case inspection plate failed. The boat remained afloat with the pod and starboard hull completely dry while she was towed back to shore. Since then both hulls have been fitted with multiple watertight compartments in addition to the daggerboard case inspection covers being upgraded. But please, keep making assumptions based on false information. It's the path to happiness and success!
Cool
Lord Dickie was its name once
Yes! It was for sale as Lord Dickie.
@@Boatlifeisbest I had considered buying it
Thats interesting, what boat did you end up buying?@@allanjfotos
Did not buy I lost all my Bitcoin in the Celsius rip-off, will look again in august 25 for another boat. @@Boatlifeisbest
Just the one daggerboard?
No, we have a board in each hull. In the video only one board is visible because the other is down.
Nice unimatic mike.
Thanks, though it's actually a Chinese Steeldive cheapy. But I love the design so much! It's based on the original Blancpain 50 Fathoms. Good eyes!
@@catamaransailing yes the simple design. It's clean. Thanks for the compliment. I am glad you knew what I was referring to.
No motors right? 100% sail?
She does have an engine in each hull behind a watertight bulkhead. One can be seen at 14:01
Looks pricey!
The boat was for sale at 490k asking. Off course it is going to be a lot of money but way more affordable than a outremer 55 or gunboat or similar performing boat. On a big boat everything does become more expensive to replace and maintain but Komotion is setup in a pretty simple way with not too many systems.
So I’m guessing that’s American dollars too, wow that’s a house, I’d imagine I’d need aircon and a home office for that price 😂
Or need to be retired!
Or just actually use it as your house like they are doing 😅 they don’t own another property or anything so for some people it makes sense.
I continue to work while cruising. The boat is not cheap, but compared to other performance cruising cats I think she represents good value, especially when you consider the build quality and level of detail in her finish. IMO a well built second hand custom built boat represents so much more value than a second hand production boat because production builders just can’t put that many hours into a boat.
This isnt a big boat, its a long boat. Mono or multihull a long waterline is unbeatable. My own monohull is a 60ft boat with a 60ft waterline and a lightship displacement of 15 tons. We average 200 miles per day. Length and size are - often wrongly- conflated. Why do so few understand the importance of waterline length? I hate short fat heavy boats with a fierce passion.
Definitely agree with you, it is a huge platform but kept light and simple. As Mike says, a 40ft modern cruising catamaran has more space and technical systems but no where close on the performance. Waterline length is hard to beat, only problem is if you want to go into marinas, then the costs can be prohibitive. But as a full time liveaboard in the right areas marinas can be almost always avoided. What kind of boat are you sailing yourself?
Exactly. Berthing was probably the single biggest item on the "against" side of our pre-purchase evaluation, but it is less of an issue if you have no interest in marinas. Hauling out is of course more difficult too, but can be managed with good planning. But a huge plus is the easy speed and more comfortable motion at sea. Cats will never have the motion of a nice mono but having long, slim hulls makes it SO much better than your typical condomaran.
@@catamaransailing I'm guessing it's a lot harder to get into a lot of smaller anchorages with such a large boat? Or do you not care about that sort of thing?
It certainly can be a challenge@@TC-yx1qt but we tend to prefer less crowded anchorages anyway. We have got into some pretty tight spots with stern lines tied ashore though.
It was kind of sad to me that this magnificent sailing machine will be throttled down with these owners. Kind of like buying an old F1 car to go the grocery store in. This should have a crew of sailors racing the crap out of her. Mike correctly points out he could have far more accommodation in a 40' Lagoon. Surely there was something in between? A Chris White design perhaps? Not SO much boat to handle, and a lot more comfort.
Thanks for your comment. We regularly sail Komotion into the high teens/low 20’s so I really don’t think we’re keeping her *that* throttled down, and it’s quite normal to sail a bit more conservatively when cruising, especially at night. She was never built as a racing boat, though I do hope to race her in the future. I agree a CW Atlantic 55/57 would have been a great boat for us. Unfortunately we didn’t have the budget for one! Also, we find Komotion has more than enough space and comfort for us. Fair winds.
you never see black people on nice boats.
They seem to fancy the motor yachts more.
Sailing UMA.
That really is a shocking shockingly bad about to be living on with a family. How selfish can this man be
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I’m pretty sure my kids would disagree with you, and I know 100% my wife would. I’m not sure how you can make a comment like that without ever having lived on it? Not to mention you know nothing about my family. We don’t all want a floating condo.
They all seemed pretty stoked and happy when I’ve met them the two times we shared an anchorage. Just crossed the ocean with another family and everyone is a-okay and having a good time!
@@catamaransailing looks to me that you’re giving your kids fantastic experiences sailing and travelling and living onboard. More power to you 👍🏻
@@mosca3289 thanks very much! That is the idea. I feel it is a richer experience for them living on a boat that is very much a boat first and a house second.😊