Equality is BAD | Biblical Gender Roles vs Humanism
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- Today we're going to learn why compromise in marriage is sinful, but more importantly why oral sex is totally fine and you must do it if your husband tells you to. Or at least, that's what Biblical Gender Roles tries to tell us.
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Timecodes:
00:00 - Intro
02:07 - Discussion Begins
09:16 - Biblicism vs Humanism
15:41 - Not an Equal Partnership
19:50 - The First Husband's Sin
26:44 - Rule of Submission
29:17 - Job Fan Club
31:10 - Moral vs Other Compromise
34:16 - Mini Sex Rant
36:31 - Conclusions - บันเทิง
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If men are the moral authority in a relationship, doesn't that make gay men the MOST moral relationships?
Gay men relationships are BASED
And fujoshi and fudanshi, despised as "degenerates" and burned as witches, are the high priestesses and priests of what is right, a kingdom of priests and a holy people! 🥰🏳️🌈💒
Haha, best comment!! I like how you think :)
and also that helps with the overpopulation situation we have
@@vicu_negru We should follow the penguin example in nature and allow all homosexual couples adopt children... Not because penguins do it, I just love that nature has a specific example where it happens because it's a good stab at those hateful people that try to say that homosexuality "isn't natural" or that homosexuals "can't raise children."
Most heterosexual families that are already "built" don't just allow in other 'kids' randomly, but orphaned 'kids' are adopted by homosexual penguins in order to give them a family. I think that's awesome.
“Adam and the woman” made me lose my shit
Sounds like the perfect name for an odd couple Pureflix sitcom.
"It'S 'aDaM aNd ThE wOmAn', NoT 'aDaM aNd StEvE'!" - Jesus, probably
@@rachelrabbbit2553 jesus would definitely be cool with the LGBTQ community (if he existed, that is)
@@anaionescu8913 Right? I feel like Christians like to think that since they're "following Jesus", they're as radical to the religious establishment as he was; but they're literally the religious establishment now...
Adam and eve
Adam and Steve
Adam and leave
this guy: "The Old Testament doesn't apply"
also this guy: *immediately applies the Old Testament*
Especially when he could pull from Paul’s letters for the sexism.
However, there is apparently some evidence that the word “submit” was an intentional mistranslation, and that the intended meaning may have more meant “love” and so basically the whole passage he’s discussing was basically like “hey if you’re gonna get married you should probably love your spouse and treat them well.”
Also some people believe that Paul’s words against women in church were either straight up made up or taken out of context (his original intent might have been “these specific women should shut up and stop gossiping and causing drama during church”). I can’t remember the article but there was apparently some evidence that Paul had women leaders IN HIS CHURCHES. And, all else failing, Paul is just a human. Jesus on the other hand treated women well.
When he was talking about how the New Testament overrides the old, I was like, isn’t that cherry-picking, which is exactly what you told us not to do?
"Letting herself be deceived." When she was literally incapable of telling good from evil. This line just says so much about men, misogyny, and the patriarchy.
100% agree with you! 100%
I caught that too. Dude, why did he put the fucking tree there anyways? Why did he create her with the capacity for temptation? It's literally all God's fault necessarily. You're 100% right - it's highlighting the fact that it's all just historical human misogyny being projected onto some incoherent ancient myth, with expected results. I believe religions will become fringe ideologies as long as we even just slightly progress and don't regress our relationship with science and rationality - these theologies just break down so completely under very little honest scrutiny.
And then talking about Adam compromising his morality BEFORE he ate the apple. According to their book, they were as amoral as possible before the fruit.
And many of them use that story as an excuse to say that women are evil and the case of all suffering on earth. It is so beyond gross and sick-headed.
@@Britishhick I would like to point out that before eating that fruit they had no knowledge of what was good or what was evil, so were they basically empty shells? Were they more like animals or something? How could they follow God if they had no knowlegde that following Him was good? It makes no sense, and I agree that it reeks of misoginy and projection too.
"The bible is crystal clear." *The bible* thousands of translations, multiple religions with different interpretations, multiple religions who take away different things from the SAME passage. But sure the bible is crystal clear.
I asked my Sunday school teacher about it, and she said, "Well, when someone reads something, there are some things they read and process differently, and proceed to go by differently," to explain all of the changes and different forms of Christianity. Isn't that the same thing? You take something, you "read" it, I mean read it clear as day, but claim to see it different and go by it your way?
And the parts that aren't crystal clear, well, ladies, the husband gets to interpret and apply the scripture as he desires lmfao
It was in the original Sumerian!
@@autobotstarscream765 which just means god is incompetent since his work isn't clear, but there are older texts that are
@@Nerobyrne Wouldn't the older texts, nay, whichever texts are the _originals_ be the "God-inspired" ones? 🤣
I would rather live in a society where everyone uses their brains and engage in dialogue to solve problems than one where everyone is blindly following the 'morals' of a random book.
The first one ooh ooh! The first one!!
incorrect. -blindly fallowing your dad's interpretation of morals from a book.
fixed
That would not go well for people in power. They like a docile and ignorant society. It helps them control them.
@@ddis29, precisely! Thank you for being someone with sense!
*Several* random books. From random authors. And of random societies.
Collected into an awkward omnibus, in which many of them contradict each other and thus any casual reader must conclude that they probably aren't a single series, but rather a "best of" compilation of the times.
I can't fathom how anyone in the 21st century can say with a straight face that knowledge, equality and a man making his wife happy are sin.
Unfortunately some people still choose to live in an Iron Age culture.
@@RichWoods23 Early Bronze Age, not Iron Age
@@johncolvin2561
Them: "Am I living in the early bronze ages? Absolutely"
This type of interpretation seems like these people want to cause abusive relationships.
Agreed!
I love how they always say that the dietary restrictions/tattoos/mixed fabrics etc doesn't apply anymore because what we should follow now is the new testament, but every time they want to find biblical reasons for why being lgbt+ is wrong or women's place in society the old testament is totally fair game -.-
It's good evidence that the problem here is not the religion in itself. Moreso the cultural environment.
Tbf that part of Leviticus is for levantines and behavior before the Tabernacle
Some of what he says just scream to me " how far can I get to owning a slave without calling it slave."
Christianity is unsurprisingly big on every man owning a slave and is actively encouraged in some places of the Bible
If he wants a slave, he should just drop the "Christian" crap and admit he's into living a full-time M/s lifestyle within the BDSM community.
@@liamwilbur1897 He won't do that because he considers BDSM "sinful" and "ungodly".
@@Neku628 I know, but we could always let him know that it's a totally valid option.
Hell, there's even is Christian version of that dynamic.
He could go explore that, and then stop spreading his sexual frustration all over the place.
@@liamwilbur1897 Do you think they would be open to that?
One thing that still confused me: The sin was eating a fruit that made them understand good and evil. If you don't understand if something is wrong, how do you avoid doing it? If you are incapable of distinguishing good from evil, how can you blame someone from acting on the last thing someone told them.
It's never sat right with me.
And why did God put the fruit there in the first place? As a test? But why would he need to test them if he already knows everything? And what is he testing for? Blind faith?
@@saucevc8353 : and that's the very first 3 chapters of a book supposed to be inspired by this omniscient god.
Not a great start to say the least, and somehow the rest still manages to mess it up even more.
@@saucevc8353 That's how stupid the story is, Adam and Eve had no morals or concepts about life they were legit blank. That's why Adam would refuse Lilith, and Eve would accept the apple, that just kicked off shit is wrong here and I'll rather have Zeus banging everything and Hera yelling at his ass than "I AM" being "God"
Please don't take my statement the wrong way, just trying to offer a *potential* answer to an honest question, not saying this is fact.
It was stated in that story that God specifically told Adam and Eve *not* to eat said fruit. That doesn't answer your question, because they still don't personally understand what good and evil are by the definition of the story. However, what could answer your question is the interpretation of what that means. Based on what I believe (hence why I call it a potential answer and not the answer) is that Adam and Eve were supposed to have faith in God that this fruit was off limits. They did not need to know good and evil because they lived with God so closely.
I believe the above because a lot of the bible seems to focus on faith in God as extremely important. Not trusting God to teach them good and evil at the proper time, in the proper context etc is a lack of faith and so eating the fruit is seen as the wrong choice *in the context of this story,* again I'm not trying to say what's bad and good here myself haha.
@@TheSweetSpirit
"Adam and Eve were supposed to have faith in God that this fruit was off limits"
But on what grounds? Even the story itself does not really inspire confidence in god, who tells them they would die if they ate the fruit, which does happen, but centuries *after* the fact.
The serpent tells them it would open their eyes, and they would know good and evil, which they do after eating the fruit.
In that regard, the serpent comes off as more honest than god, because you have to assume Adam and Eve were immortal before eating the fruit to avoid making him a liar, and even so, the consequences were not really explained by god beforehand, giving Adam and Eve only two contradicting statements to make their decisiong, without any means to tell which one to trust based on what's in the text alone.
I remember being told all about this marriage and kid stuff when I was 10 years old. That's when I said screw that. Everyone told me I'd change my mind as I got older, it's a women's calling.
I'm 42. No kids and a 17 year relationship with no marriage in sight. And yes, we are super happy.
Hey well done!
I also chose what I wanted to do with my life. My loving partner of 11 years and I decided to NOT have children despite everyone telling us we'll regret it.
We've just paid off our house and are planning an early retirement where we travel the country, camping, prospecting and riding our quad bikes.
Fullfilment in life takes many forms. And having your own kids isn't the only way to have a positive influence on the next generation. We get to be the cool Aunt and Uncle, take the kids on trips.
I'm so glad I'm not tied to the responsibility of the lives of others through birth, I'm good! 😄
If others want a family- great! Let people choose.
dink forever
I don't know who all these people are who give lectures. We never had kids, the ONLY time anybody else brought it up was one time at a party when a guy talked about hte joy he felt holding his babys hand and said those without kids would never experience it. Some body told him we didn't have kids, he apologized, and I said don't worry, I've also never experienced the joy of that first rush of heroin or the giddiness of skydiving without a parachute. Some joys I can quite easily do without.
MANY of the parents I know the kids were the fathers idea.
My wife was taught the same too. She, in fact, wanted a relationship and kids, but constantly hearing that she MUST get married and have kids made her hate it.
As to why we are married, that's a story for another time lol.
🎉 Congrats! Ive heard the leading cause of divorce is marriage, sounds like youve dodged that bullet forever!
If seeking knowledge and equality are evil, I want to be evil.😂
Listening to my wife is sin? Wtf?
Hello, fellow sinner. I seek knowledge and listen to my wife too. What a nice day, eh?
@@Theone-kz9vd
Warning !
You are headed to hell as soon as you die . And you can sin the rest of you life in Hell till you are cast into a Lake of Fire. *note remember you are a soul . No earthly body . Just the evil soul of the person known as
“Theone-kz9vd”
Unless you repent & obey the
Gospel message of Jesus Christ .
"The bible is crystal clear." "You have to go with your husband's interpretation." If it's crystal clear wouldn't it not be up for interpretation?
I am a Christian and a humanist. They are definitely not mutually exclusive. I wrote my senior capstone paper for my history degree on the Christian humanists who emerged around the reformation. It’s not a new idea and not unbiblical. I also have a masters degree in theology. People like this make me scream. Thanks for your thoughtful analysis!
It's almost as if biblical literalists have some per-concieved axioms about how the world should work (which strangely enough exclusively benefit them at the expense of everyone else), and post hoc use anything available to prop up their toxic bullshit.
What the Bible teaches about authority is that it is not a privilege, but a service and a responsibility. The person who takes authority must also take all responsibility for being wrong, when they are wrong. Jesus taught that to be in authority is to be a servant. So even though men and women, may look at authority as a privilege to wield, Christ taught that authority that blesses others, must be seen as servitude. He showed this when he watched the feet of the apostles, and told them this, when they asked for positions of authority. He also taught that it means laying down your life for those you serve. Jesus laid down his life for them, and told them that he would grant John and James the authority they asked for, but it meant that they would also have to lay down their lives, and die violent deaths. Authority and sacrifice are inextricably interwoven in Christ's teachings. Unfortunately authority which does not come with sacrifice and servitude, is prized by prideful people. This attitude perverts authority. I don't understand every aspect of this teaching, or how it relates to marriage, but this one seems clear to me.
@@coda821 ooh this is a really well-put take, im not a christian but i grew up in a very literalist christian household and yes i love this for the church
@@mohanthegay4398 Thanx. I've learned a lot from pastors speaking on the radio over the years.
The way I usually see it, Christianity makes God the center of ethics and humanism makes humans the center of ethics, so how would you define your center of ethics as a Christian humanist? Who comes first, God or humans?
Half an hour of winging about Morality. Then it becomes about him wanting wives to give beejays and suddenly we know why this whole interpretation actually exists.
When it comes to the 'sexual arena' I was trepidatious when my wife first suggested it but now I can see that it is the moral thing to do. Chasing her round the house with a trident and net is rather fun.
LMFAO! I want art made of this!
So she's the secutor? LoL I hope she can breathe under that!
Yo, what 😭
And I, naively, thought my wife and I boxing was crazy enough
The snake earrings are on point for this topic. Excellent 😂
They describe people advocating for verbatim biblical gender roles perfectly.
Didn't notice them. Thanks. Yes, they're super.
I find it funny they think the promise of burning in hell will automatically make us become Christian. Bro...WE DON'T BELIEVE IN HELL. lol
THIS 💯 😂
They think it's going to scare us, but, are we scared of monsters as adults? No? Because we know they're not real...thus we ain't afraid. Haha
There is no hell in the Bible...most of them don't know that tho
@@starchannel123
sometimes i really think that THIS is hell tbh
I'm more frightened of living in what they would consider paradise. It seems reasonable to assume that if getting in requires following rules that would make me miserable in life that I would hate spending an eternity there.
So if either way I'm going to have a miserable afterlife, I might as well make the most of this one!
"He knew it was morally wrong!"
Except Adam had no knowedlge of good and evil / right and wrong. He defeats his own argument.
the implications of sex acts being moral decisions in his ethical system are actually pretty horrifying. it seems to mean that a wife can never decline sexual activity, and any compromise is a sin. not even a 'not tonight honey, maybe tomorrow' is permissible.
My ex was actually taught by her mom to always have sex with her husband when he wanted it, even when she didn't. I had to teach her how fucked that was.
@@JaceDeanLove Yep, it's how my Mom was taught as well. It's the wife's duty to have sex with her husband if he wanted it. It didn't matter if she did or not.
@secularpsyche yeah, that's a part of this crap they believe. There's another video by FunkyFrogBait, I think that's the name, on a religious website that talks about biblical s(x and all of this sh*t.
Wives are to be punished with "rough s*x"
And the wives cannot decline s*x from her husband.
This guy 100% believes that marital r@pe doesn't exist..& the fact that he's preaching these views to other men is terrifying
Believing in biblical patriarchy and being pro spousal r*pe are pretty much mutually inclusive
Oh man. What til this guy finds out about Ester and Ruth and Naomi and The woman who grabbed Jesus’ robe etc etc etc
He’s gunna be mad confused that they were ENTIRE people outside of a husband.
Yikes
The woman who killed that guy with a tent stake lol
@@rachelrabbbit2553 I don't know any of the context behind this, but that sounds fucking EPIC.
@@juliannaistyping lol, I haven't actually read the Bible in years, but it's like my favorite story. This enemy commander gets waxed in battle and runs off, and he comes upon this couple's campsite, and the woman's like, "dude, come into my tent, I'll hide you." And she gave him food and stuff, and when he fell asleep she took a mallet and drove a tent stake through his temple so hard it pinned his skull to the ground lol.
Not the kind of story they teach you songs about in Sunday School lol.
Yael
Not to mention Mary Magdalene, especially as she is portrayed in “The Gospel of Mary.” Though I doubt he’d consider apocryphal texts to be legitimate...
Omg the whole part about then”sexual arena” made me cringe SO so hard. I feel so sorry for women who are in these kinds of marriages 😣
They are happier and less likely to divorce because these women have a dominant man. The reason why there are so many divorces today is because women become miserable when they marry weak beta men that are doormats and bootlickers. For a man to remain attractive to his woman and be respected it is essential that he shows dominance, leadership and Stoicism.
@@Luminoth-il1yt 🤮
@@ChardeeMacdennis339 Nothing to say? Stop feeling sorry for a woman that has a dominant christian man because they are likely far happier than you will ever be.
@@Luminoth-il1yt I’m an atheist. I’ve been married to another atheist for 15 years. We are doing great! Thanks! Have a nice night.
@@ChardeeMacdennis339 hope you are doing good though 😁
I was right in the middle of drinking coffee when he talked about blowjobs being okay if the husband says so. I literally choked on my coffee.... Holy shit this guy is messed up.
How about partners decide together what they like sexually. As a happily married man for over 30 years, not only would I not want to make my wife do something she finds distasteful, I would NOT want the power and authority to force her to do it.
Part of loving someone is caring more about them than yourself. I don't believe this guy is capable of actual love.
Former Christian here:
Even in my Christian days, if a friend told me her husband was saying these things, I'd get her in touch with the proper legal resources for SA survivors.
I was born into the kind of "church" this guy belongs to, and didn't get completely out of its influence until I was 19/20.
As a trans man, life in that group was complete hell.
My mom is still part of it, and she fully believes that I'm literally a demon residing in the animated corpse of her dead daughter.
It's utterly insane.
"Zombie Demon" has a nice ring to it though! 🧟♂️😈
@@DP-qf6bb Sin according to Leviticus, or a sin according to Jesus?
Jesus never said anything about sexual morality beyond "let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
So, since Christians are supposed to follow HIS teachings, I'll just be over here following the command to "love thy neighbor as yourself," "do not point out the mote in your brother's eye and ignore the beam in your own," and "be merciful to those who persecute you" orders.
If you're such a purist of the Levite tradition, you better make sure you're still giving a tenth of all of your property to God each year, never touch a woman on her period, separate your fabrics, ritually purify yourself after each nightly emmission and never eat shellfish.
You haven't cut your hair, or shaven your beard recently, have you?
@@liamwilbur1897 B… B… but only I decide the laws that must followed!!
@@liamwilbur1897 Christian Fundamentalists always are the less Christian of all. In fact, most atheists are more Christian than them.
I hope my mom believes the same bullshit when I transition
I want my husbands opinion and he wants mine. I can't tell you how many times having his insight has helped me personally grow as a person because he saw something I missed. The same could be said vice versa. My husband has high functioning autism which makes him extremely impulsive. He's impulsive with food, money, and important decisions. He understands that his behavior isn't ideal and looks to me for guidance on what the best option would be. He's growing and learning and becoming a better version of himself because of this. Just like he helps me when I need help. We are just a bunch of humans floundering our way through life. Gender really shouldn't be that big of a "thing". Having a partner to lean on when you need it is what I think makes relationships so amazing. It honestly seems really really sad that people would completely forgo this part of their relationship. How are you supposed to grow when you're always right and the final word on a subject?
I totally agree with you.
That's the whole point is working together yet it shows personally that a lot of people have social problems. They do the very things they do not want to happen to them too often. We're supposed to be working with each other not trying to take advantage of them
Some men blast feminists. Honestly I'm an individual. I don't agree with feminists 100% nor do I agree with the manosphere 100% but I'll hear people out. One judgement I will make is that the Red Pill movement is toxic. I like the notion of sharing expenses. I like the wild idea of not having to make 100k a year before I even talk to a woman. I do believe a man and woman can be just friends. I'm emotional sometimes and I don't want to hear I'm less of a man because of it.
I don't think he's looking for personal growth. Just attempting to justify a weak perspective.
@@nathanmiller9918 Yes, of course, because he's "defective", just as YHWH made him, right?
I am a 64 year old straight white American woman and I am learning everyday how f'd up some of my beliefs are. I love you! Keep up your great work!
Good fortune on your journey
I love the analogy of Job being in an abusive relationship. Never thought of it like that, but so true. Even the passage he cites comes across like he is scared shitless of his abuser, telling his wife to be silent so he doesn't get it even worse.
I mean, what Job said was kinda sad. He was super painfully ill, his family got killed, he lost his wealth, and he said "should we take good from God and not evil?". I mean... yeah. Just because someone treats you nicely, it doesn't mean they've earned the authority to then do whatever they want with you. Like, just because you hold the door open for me doesn't mean you then have the right to, for example, abuse or assault me. It's like how my parent justified their abusive behaviour because they fed and clothed me growing up. If that statement from Job were one God stood by, that would be very irresponsible and abusive parenting.
I would have said well I didn't ask to be born. You made the choice to have me, so now it's your duty to feed and clothe me. It's not that I'm mean and ungrateful, but if they think doing the bare necessities to take responsibility for a choice they made gives them the right to treat me badly, there's really nothing to be grateful for.
@@carmensavu5122
wow, u must’ve been lucky enough not to be born with a narcissistic parent or parents😅
my mother is a narcissist & i can only wish that if i said that to her, it’d actually make a difference (aside from me facing some sort of punishment or negative consequence, ofc)
unfortunately, the reality of having a narcissistic parent is that u truly do NOT matter to them...
(i mean, u do- but only when they feel that ur beneficial to them or ur in their way)
i always thought that i understood the meaning of the word “narcissist” but if u were raised by 1, it’s way deeper than just understanding the meaning of the word
Anyways, my main reason for this comment is to let anyone struggling with THAT (awful) typa parent know that it can & will get better- slowly but surely & it DEF hurts to hafta admit to urself BUT there’s this sense of freedom u get when u finally realize that ur lifelong feelings of social anxiety & knowing that ‘u’ll never be enough’ are validated since they were put on u...
🤓it took my entire life but i started to realize what i was dealing with from watching Dr. Ramani here on youtube- her videos are extremely helpful in learning how to deal with this...
🙊sorry bout the super long comment but it seems like narcissistic ppl are lurking everywhere cuz not enough of us are aware of who & how they truly are so hopefully this is helpful to someone dealing with it 🤗
I don't think the concept of the devil really existed at this point in the Bible. Having one supreme being raises so many questions. Such as "if God is good, why is there evil", to which I respond, "because humans are bad to each other", but then add mother nature and idk if that holds up. A theme from Job to Jesus (in my mind) deals with judgement and punishment, basically karma. The issue is *do* bad things happen to good people? Or is everyone just getting what they deserve? It seems like Job is saying "if good things are outside my control, surely bad things are too."
That's how I read this in light of the theme of Job when all his friends are telling him that it must be karma for a really bad sin.
@@mercedes_420 oof yeah we think my parent might be a narcissist and there was a lot of "well at least I give you food" and "at least I don't beat you" to justify the other bad stuff they did. Honestly, I don't know much about narcissism but yeah that was abusive and not super fun
@@j.kaimori3848 ooh yes I read something a book that said that the concept of the devil didn't really exist in Job either, and that as the Bible and Judaism and Christianity developed and all that jazz, the devil was an answer to the question of "how come bad things happen to 'good people'". It's actually kind of interesting to view Job as people in history grappling with this question and trying to fit it alongside their beliefs.
I wanted to mention that as an atheist and a humanist I do use the word sacred, especially surrounding my view of children. Indigenous cultures in my area teach that each person is born precious and sacred. By this they mean that all children are important and deserving of respect. Anyways just food for thought on how words can have different meanings. Wonderful video as always, thank you!
Of course they can, there are a lot of words that people consider to be purely religious, when actually are just words used to translate the religious books because they seemed like the best match, but didn't necessarily have an inherent religious connotation in their origin.
That's what frustrates me about using spiritual terms. People associate them with Christians...
But not everyone IS or HAS comparable Christian beliefs
I feel like her point wasn't that athiests/humanists don't ever use the word "sacred," but that nothing can be considered sacred under the teachings of athiesm/humanism because things being "sacred" in the context of a philosophical view implies religious importance. I feel like it's a different thing if you're talking about personal ethical views, if that makes sense?
I do totally agree with you, though!
That's frustrating, as humanists we know all those spiritual words are more about the chill inducing beauty, power, and wonder that emerges in the human experience and not ways to describe a beleif in supernatural magic. After all, spirituality predates religion
Reject Atheism, return to Great Spirit. 😇
I was raised exactly like this with this mentality. It’s disgusting and gets horribly abusive.
So us Men are supposed to know everything that's moral - damn, I must have missed that class.
I'm not convinced he's actually married...to be honest I'm not convinced he's ever met a woman.
I doubt he's regularly touched by one. Big incel energy.
Maybe he is an angry incel😂.
How could Adam have "known it was morally wrong" to eat the fruit if eating the fruit supposedly imparted the knowledge of good and evil?
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Adam already knew it was wrong to eat the fruit because God gave clear orders not to. How do you know something is wrong? You're told not to do it, you're given the reason why it's wrong. If your mom or dad tells you not to touch the fire because its gonna burn you, you come to the realization that it's wrong or not good to do. And eating the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil didn't give the understanding of right and wrong, it gave us the understanding of good and evil, what I mean by this is it gave us the ability to look at something and either do good with it or bad with it, like how if you give someone a knife, they can either chop vegetables with it to make food or kill with it and end lives, it gave us a selfish nature but also gave us a caring nature.
@@Rand0ramaartstuff I think you're splitting hairs in your distinction between "right and wrong" and "good and evil." Obedience and disobedience are not inherently right or wrong - you depend on your knowledge of right and wrong (or good and evil) to discern that when given a command. Additionally, if God is omniscient then He cannot make oversights or mistakes. When he made Adam and Eve He, being omniscient, would have known that they would eventually eat that fruit if able to. If He truly didn't want them to do so, He could have set them elsewhere, He could have protected the tree, or He could even have made them physically incapable of eating the fruit somehow. Also, being omnipresent, why didn't He intervene when the serpent was talking to Eve in the first place, failing all of that? I don't think the idea of preserving free will applies, since Adam and Eve theoretically didn't have the knowledge of right and wrong (or good and evil) yet. Parents have to accept all kinds of physical and mental limitations when dealing with children, but He didn't. His 'children' would have been custom made, down to the tiniest detail, with literally every aspect considered thoroughly by definition.
Yeah, this whole setup is the very premise of the whole cult and it falls flat on its face before even taking off. God, being omniscient and knowing perfectly well what would happen, created two people (and the serpent!), put them in the same garden as the unprotected tree, lied to Adam and Eve about them dying from eating the fruit, went "away" as far as that's possible for an omnipresent being, and gets mad when what it knew all along would happen actually does happen exactly as it deliberately set it up to happen. Mad at who exactly? Mind also that unlike God the supposedly evil serpent didn't lie - it made true, testable, falsifiable claims. The infallible creator of all that is, was and will be fucked up its own creation just days in. Hilarious little story, hadn't it been so overly influential in the centuries after.
It doesn't get much better later. Playing Chinese Whispers with Moses instead of making itself known to all of creation, all while knowing the outcome in advance? Giving Moses the exact same ten commandments twice and they're vastly different? (Do you know that the often quoted commandments are the ones that Moses shattered which were never presented to anyone but Moses?) Engaging in a proxy battle against another deity even though there's only one real God and all others are fiction? God wrestling with a human?! God lending military aid to its people and leading them to great successes, except when they encounter iron chariots which God, who can make and destroy whole universes, is no match against? Lot of Sodom being declared a moral role model for offering up his daughters for gang rape to protect some strangers he's never seen before? And, even though apologists have been finding "answers" to this for centuries now: why create Satan in the first place if obviously the creation would have been better off without?
I'm VERY grateful that western society's moral standards have not been taken from scripture but instead were hard fought for and established by humanists, against the will and often bitter resistance of the church.
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But this god is not all knowing. Why else did he ask where was Adam. If Yah is real, then maybe he is just a god instead of God. He still a huge jerk.
After being married for over 20 years I can say the most important things you can do are, compromise, find common interests, talk don't bottle up and shout later and finally give each other your own space when you each need it. Has kept me happily married. :)
The things the Bible says about women was the main reason why I rage quit Christianity a year ago. My faith in Christianity was declining for a while at the time, but there was a day when I decided to look up TH-cam videos that discuss all of the things the Bible says about women and I was shaking by the end of the video, and upset and disturbed and appalled, I felt betrayed and I tore up my goddamn Bible and threwit across the room. It’s quite disturbing the way the Bible regards women, and anyone with actual sense and a level head and sense of morality. When it comes to men and women would agree that the Bibles views on gender equality, and women in general is quite disturbing , and that was the primary reason why I left and no longer believe it anymore. Of course, there are many other reasons why I don’t believe in it, especially in my pursuit of biology and studying evolution and all of the science that disproves the Bible, but that was the main thing the big one that pissed me off and left me deeply disturbed and upset and betrayed was how the Bible regards women
"Men should make all the decisions that's just logical"
"Say, what gender are you?"
"Male, why?"
🤔 It's almost like it's about control.
How could Adam make a moral decision before eating the apple? He wouldn’t have the knowledge of good and evil yet. So moral decisions couldn’t have been made before snacks.
I find this to be true most of the time. How can I make decisions before snacks?
In some interpretations, the Fall of Man is viewed as symbolic of transition to adulthood. Adam and Eve lives happily in the Garden of Eden, where God take care of them and feed them. When they eat the Fruit, they gain the understanding of Good, Evil and Death; they become conscious of their acts and the limitations of their existence. At this moment, they have to go out of the Garden and have to work for their food. Eve also start to have menstruations. One can make the parallel between this story, and children and going out of their parents home to start their own lives.
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A less sexist interpretation, but that does not really explain why Eve (and thus women as a whole) gets so much crap by fundamentalists for eating the fruit when the two had no sense of morality before consuming the fruit. Morality is taught, so how can Adam and Eve know what is right and wrong if THE BIG G never taught them so, and why is Eve disproportionately blamed for her ignorance over Adam?
@@NIHIL_EGO As a symbolic tale, it makes all the sense.
@@J-manli Well, you see, religious extremists aren't known for their integrity.
You have such love, courage and intelligence it is hard to believe you are so young. As a former Army NCO I would be proud to have you on my team. I can face down Russian tanks, which all of a sudden has become very real once again; but, you give me hope and support in my own fight against hate & harassment which is a real threat to us all right now. It is so easy to see some living in their own RPG and not in reality.
Easy to see how "The Handmaid's Tale" can happen when people like this guy exist!
Thank you for consistently acknowledging asexuals in your content.
What confuses me a little is that Emma said she is queer, but she does have a boyfriend. How can she be gay but have a boyfriend...
@@Theone-kz9vd Bisexual, maybe?
@@Theone-kz9vdGay and Queer, while related, are not synonymous. They mean different things.
@@Theone-kz9vdqueer is an umbrella term. she’s bisexual
There are parts of maintaining a household together that aren’t fun. Like cleaning. So my husband and I split those unpleasant parts so that neither of us gets stuck with all the drudgery.
We also share the fun parts of life.
As for sex, neither of us expects the other to take one for the team if they just aren’t in the mood. And neither of us would ask the other to do anything in bed that they aren’t comfortable with or just don’t like.
'The Golden One' is very much like PUA, but EVEM MANLIIIIIER!!!
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And geuss what: HBomberguy did cover him. Hilariously so.
Men like him exist by the thousands, but fewer every day thanks to people like Emma Thorne
We owe Emma a head pat.
Can we talk about the fact that Adam apparently compromised his own moral understanding... Before he had the knowledge of good and evil... 😂
Submitting to my ex would have meant letting him drive my truck with me in the passenger seat when he was piss drunk. Not happening.
Tbh sounds like he would think its bad for a woman to have a truck. Because her der truck mainly women must be fragile and feminine .
This dude is absolutely abusive to his wife. And I am convinced "rebuke" is code for him hitting his wife and justifying it. This guy is awful.
"Letting herself be deceived." You know, because when someone is fooled by someone else, they actually wanted to be fooled.
You are picking more complex topics for someone your age, glad you came out as the person you want to be , I am a fan of your channel . Keep up the great work
Btw, I wouldn't care if my partner did have all the "right" ethical answers - I'd still want my autonomy. I'm a competent adult and I don't want anyone else to make my personal choices.
I just found your channel this week.
I am a nearly 45 year old atheist ( post being evangelical for the first 25 years) and you bring up so many points that I have missed.
If only I saw things the way you do when I was your age....things would have gone so very differently.
Keep it up !
trueee, so many spicy takes
Did you ever feel like you were picked up and then dropped onto an alien planet with no resources, no guidebook, and no idea what the language is?
I'm turning 40 this year, and I feel like I'm JUST starting to feel like I've learned enough of the "language" and "culture" to communicate and function adequately.
I left the church at 19.
All those years in between, I have been floundering and just trying to keep my head above water and not drown.
@@liamwilbur1897 definitely... there are so many things i notice about how people live now that i had always blocked out out of fear before. it sucks to feel like youve missed out. there's joy in it, too, but it's sad looking back at years you wish youd known different
@@mohanthegay4398 It does improve from here, right?
I mean, do you ever stop feeling like an alien?
@@mohanthegay4398 Why are there no free "recovery and reintegration treatment" places for people who come out of the Evangelical Fundamentalist cult?
It's a legit trauma to leave everything you've ever known and have no actual safety net.
My favourite part is where this idea of "men have to make all the moral choices" leads. Clearly, he wants men to pick what choices are moral or not, presumably from a position of that, itself, being a moral choice and so under a man's domain. But if the man is allowed to choose what is or isn't a moral consideration, seems pretty easy to just...write off a bunch of traditionally-thought-of-as-'moral' decisions as not actually moral decisions and have a humanist-compatible, functional relationship.
I thought I would comment a couple of things. Firstly your content is fantastic, it's great to see a brit making really inciteful and intelligent videos discussing multiple incredibly important topics in a clear and appropriate way. Secondly as I only recently discovered your channel I've been binging a fair amount over your channels history so having the fun game of guess the release date based upon the hairstyle :) Lastly, I spent far too long trying to work out what was on your desk in this video before I think working out that it is Spyro I believe, good choice of game it's a classic!
I’m a humanist and listening to this guy reminds me how appreciative I am for growing up in a non religious household. Despite the fact that I went to a Lutheran kindergarten for a short time (it was close to our house and convenient, but my mom pulled me out of it because she didn’t want to go to the required church services), I’m just glad I was never forced into a religion by my family.
God didn't make us in his image
We made him in ours
No wonder he's such a mess.
"Did you make mankind after we made yo-o-o-o-ou... and the Devil, too?
-XTC
Thanks for being you. I'm so glad to have found you in this platform. I really appreciate your work 😃
This video should be required watching for anyone who thinks feminism is unnecessary! Your clarity is so refreshing.
In the apocrapha Adam had a first wife, Lilith, and he'd didn't want her because she was created and demanded to be his equal, and Adam didn't want her, so god comprimised, sent Lilith away and created Eve. So it seems to me man's first sin was his weakness, his refusal of God's gift of a woman, a wife that was his equal
Then God allowed "Satan" in the garden tempted Eve, then one of their kids bashes other head in with a rock. God is a troll since that's long game trolling. He made Adam weak since Adam was ignorant of what equality was. So when Lilith wanted to be on top he really didn't know what was going on. Eve weaker since she didn't understand temptation and their kids even more so. Flooded the world twice, nuked two cities, shattered the tower of babel, Made people do some wild shit for his approval.
God before Jesus was a whole prick doing shit with no context then punishing people for doing "wrong"
Perhaps eve was sent to adam as punishment as weaker people are more easily tempted. Adam was too weak for Lilith so god send eve who was tempted by satan and then adam, in turn, was tempted by eve. Maybe god meant to teach adam that equality is better?
@@ydorri2460 Except what good that did since Cain ended up killing Abel. That lore pretty much means by designs humans are weak. Yet it also shows godly creatures use and abuse humans. Lilith wasn't human and Satan being in the garden means his "fall" was by design. Since the moment the Eve and Adam messed up the Angel yeeted their asses out blazing sword and all that. There was no equality. The lesson more looks like "listen to your superiors or else" Yet that's normally lesson in old testament with all the smiting, floods and the nuking of two cities.
@@ExeErdna good point, can't argue with that!
That book was written by a random guy in 1885. That's not even telling an accurate or truthful story. The word Lilith isn't even in the Bible. And is translated as meaning "Ghost" or "night monster" and nowhere in the Bible does it mention anything about a night creature being Adam's first wife. And by apocryphal texts I assume you mean the Babylonian Talmund? At this point I don't think either of us have enough information to really comment about it, lol. I'll definitely look into it more though.
wow as soon as he said "going beyond their station'...........im out my seat, I cannot believe this guy!!!!
33mins in and seeing your rage levels rising is brilliant. I swear at one point your temple was pulsing and you actually ground your teeth!
Awesome videos, love how you take the obvious anger, frustration and sometimes even disgust at these idiots and channel it into cutting and witty critique and counter argument. I've only recently discovered your channel and I've watched about 5 videos in the last 24 hours! Thanks 👍
Emma ... please, for the love of all that is awesome in this world ... keep up the good work! I absolutely love your content and you are such a delight to watch!
As a member of the lgbtq+ community and someone who believes in god/Jesus I find this guy’s teaching sickening. Ive always believed that all you needed to do to be a good person - regardless of religion - is treat others with kindness, compassion and understanding. Regardless of age, race, gender, sexuality etc. Which I guess would make me a humanist. I have always considered myself a Christian but refused to go to church as a teenager because if god is all knowing and everywhere why do I need to show up to a building once a week and hear hurtful sermons about how myself and people I love are going to hell for things they cannot control.
I know some people might wonder how I can distrust the bible and most organised religion but I believe because I believe. Religion or non is the choice of every individual.
He also talks about only listening to the New Testament then immediately talks about Adam and Eve.
He’s clearly never heard of David and Johnathan and how their “souls were knit together” or how Jesus insisted women be able to listen to the teachings and be treated as equal or how he flipped tables in a temple when he disagreed with the behaviour of the people there.
He fails to understand that the bible is a collection of stories that have been translated and translated again. I’m all for debating theology but this guy? I worry there isn’t any reasoning with him.
I hope my take on things from a different point of view is helpful.
I’d also like to add that my parents - who attended a church marriage course (which Ive called marriage for dummies) in order to have a church wedding - said they were told to respect and listen to each other and to learn the values of compromise. And that was a Catholic Church in the 1980s.
Jesus was scriptural in favor of homies kissing homies, and I'm sure his reaction to homegirls kissing homegirls or any other assortments of genders would have been "It's all good, Fam".
@@SA-mo3hq 100% agree
What the Bible teaches about authority is that it is not a privilege, but a service and a responsibility. The person who takes authority must also take all responsibility for being wrong, when they are wrong. Jesus taught that to be in authority is to be a servant. So even though men and women, may look at authority as a privilege to wield, Christ taught that authority that blesses others, must be seen as servitude. He showed this when he watched the feet of the apostles, and told them this, when they asked for positions of authority. He also taught that it means laying down your life for those you serve. Jesus laid down his life for them, and told them that he would grant John and James the authority they asked for, but it meant that they would also have to lay down their lives, and die violent deaths. Authority and sacrifice are inextricably interwoven in Christ's teachings. Unfortunately authority which does not come with sacrifice and servitude, is prized by prideful people. This attitude perverts authority. I don't understand every aspect of this teaching, or how it relates to marriage, but this one seems clear to me.
It’s also been noted that an interpretation of the Bible misunderstood pedastry for it meaning men to sleep together, when pedastry was a system in Ancient Greece that died out around 400BC where men would train young boys to be athletes and reward them for their abilities with gifts and sexual exchanges. Even the Greeks were against the practice and from the 400BC mark, the sexual element was left out. Pedastry was basically glorified paedophilia until that point. That was what the original teachings were meant to be. If you read that section of the Bible and change man to boy it becomes so much clearer that that was the intention.
I fucking love Ancient Greece.
@@bowbooks5659 I have read etymologies on these verses, and have not seen them supporting your conclusions. Associating the ancient Greek practice with these verses, may be worthy of supposition, but you cannot demonstrate a connection which approaches any chance of confirmation.
Just subscribed. I love listening to young people who actually have critical thinking skills and empathy for others... Gives me some hope for the future. 👍🙂
32:35 fading back in to him talking about detergents and how to do the washing was where I fell off my chair laughing.
I make all the moral decisions. But that's because I'm single and childfree, so I'm the only voice.
Hello! New here! Isn't it weird how ungodliness always seems to tie in with what certain men can't be bothered to do
Another recommendation: The Transformed Wife
The female version of BGR
The youtuber Fundie Fridays has covered her.
"Give your wife an allowance so she can afford to do all you laundry"
Even I can feel the true female empowerment there
Thanks for all the effort you put into your content. It is interesting to get an idea of what other people think, and you are a nice and supportive guide.
Them: "That's cherry picking!"
Also them: "I only follow this book and not the old one."
My question, it why is it even part of the bible then?
Had a psychiatrist tell me yesterday to pray away the anxiety. I told her I’m an atheist and very anti-religion because god is clearly cruel in the Old Testament.... she said “but we don’t live in the Old Testament now - my god is loving.”
@@MissCarlyJoy How did she even have a license to be a psychiatrist?
@@coinsilver3 I knooooowww. She was a fill in for my usual guy. Left the appointment feeling worse than when I went in!
Technically, the Bible is a collection of books, so they're following 66+ books especially if you include the Dead Sea Scrolls and apocryphal texts. There are also books written by the Essenes, another group of people who followed God.
the snake earrings are a nice dig! also really cool.
and i hope this dude knows that consent is still a thing in marriage and marital rape is a crime.
He does; he actually wrote in his blog a warning to husbands to not beat their wives so much that she would have proof for the police. He then said something to the effect that women should not have legal rights such as this and blamed feminism for women not having to be silent and accept assault and rape.
I grew up in a church that taught this stuff and my family bought into it which only made the abusive environment all the worse. I was 20 before I had the courage to stand up to my dad to defend my mom because the fear and control had been so deeply ingrained in us. If Dad didn't retaliate, we would be certain that God would; in fact they probably both ensure that we would be punished.
It's been years since that day and I still feel the pride of overcoming the twisted theological and sexist disaster that was my home.
Your microphone does a fantastic job of picking up tea being swallowed. Seriously, whatever undiagnosed condition I have is being driven bonkers by it. Yes, I'm 2 years late to the party, I stumbled across your channel a week ago and I'm on a binge.
"Woman must keep marriage good". I'm cracking up. Emma, can you summarize more things in a simplistic way like that? I'd love to see you boil down more long-winded madness by these people into silly short-handed speech
As a former Christian, I have to wonder what this "New Covenant" bullshit is REALLY about, when Matthew 5:18, Jesus's own words, does not permit the "Old Testament laws" to be ignored. Two conditions need to be met, according to that verse: 1) Heaven and Earth must pass away, and 2) until all has been fulfilled.
You can take the latter to be whatever prophecy or purpose you choose, but heaven and Earth are clearly STILL HERE, which means the old Mosaic laws STILL APPLY, by Jesus's own words!
Seriously, Christians, stop cherry picking your Bibles!
Also, Eve wasn't deceived by the Serpent. Go read Genesis 3 if you don't believe me. The Serpent is the ONLY ONE who told the truth. GOD lied.
Also, as a straight guy, I LOVE the short hair look on women, regardless of their orientation. If that pisses off conservative Christians, then all the better. Two thumbs up! 👍👍
I'm of the opinion that a man, woman or non binary person has a right to do what they want in terms of appearance. Be it short haired women, long haired men, or bald non binary people. Humanity is a goddamn spectrum
I think GOD meant you’ll die later on, but why keep knowledge away from us? This god is evil.
I think that mean like Ten Commandments. That is the only things that Christians have to follow. Plus that stuff is for the Israelites because Yah was a tribal god. He was once one of the son of El Elyon. The new convent replace the old one.
@@Bunni504 No, it quite explicitly says "On that day you eat of the tree of knowledge, you will die."
Eve may have been too stupid to know the consequences of disobedience, but that wasn't her fault - God made her that way, after all. But the serpent didn't "deceive" anybody. He told the truth.
Emma, you are a fantastic person, a great TH-camr and so clever! I love your videos and this is my new favourite channel!
All disputes are hereby to be resolved in the SEXUAL ARENA
Ah yes, a key red flag in religious discussion for me is when a religious person (often a Christian) uses the term "individualism" as synonymous with selfishness, or "individualist" with a selfish, self-centered person. Yes, thinking critically for oneself, rather than simply obeying orders or going along with the rest of a social group, and taking one's own needs and personal boundaries into consideration, within the practice of self-care, apparently makes a person 'selfish.'
He’s the one who probably wants to dress as a school girl and his wife’s not into it
Hey now let's not kink shame. 🤪
Moved to this video from the Christian Gender Cult video that's the latest Emma Thorne posted today.
Had a blast watching that and this video, but what stuck out to me was the change in Emma's Giant Chickens over at Patreon.
The list has grown from what I'm guessing is 4 people to a list so long Emma has stopped reading it out at the end of the videos.
That speaks volumes about what a big impact Emma has had in a little over a year.
Keep being awesome Emma, take care and stay safe!
18:31 As someone who was raised with parents who completely not only bought into this biblical view of marriage, but also lived it, this makes me feel sick. And people wonder why some women end up in abusive relationships!?
“I love all my children equally”
Later
“I don’t care for Job”
I’ve been rereading my Bible as it’s on a list of books I’ve been working through, it’s horrific. And not even on this level, Levictus was measuring a tent and it’s contents and repeating five times so Moses could bless the priests. It’s taking me forever. I’m reading good stuff alongside.
Personally I’m omnist. I believe there’s an element of truth in having faith, dogma notwithstanding. I was raised Anglican but it’s the rhetoric that put me off. I’m also ace so that puts me off 😂
Omg, Moses takes FOREVER TO DIE, lol
Also, my Christian homeschooled younger self was hauled to a lifesize replica of that tent 😂 Which, why not? Why else would a spiritual guidance text need so many freaking measurements...
This arrested development reference
Very interesting. :-)
What children? Yah has no children. He just has mindless followers. He is so evil that I don’t believe that he is the Heavenly Father.
It's amazing the backflips some people will do to justify their desires.
The snake earrings were a great choice for this video!
This guy believes that his emotional certainty is the only evidence of the correctness of his beliefs that matters to him. I love how you show the logical knots this ties him up with.
Glad that you drink proper tea.
Sorry, that isn't a comment on the actual video, but it was the first thing I noticed whist watching.
Excellent content btw.
About half way through... Eve’s first sin 🙄 What about Lilith? Also that’s SO Old Testament. He is exactly cherry picking. Men are absolved of all sin by killing the son of G-d but women? Not so much. Don’t mention the Marys’ whatever you do!
Is he encouraging beating ones wife? Gentle men?
IKR he literally said “we don’t listen to the Old Testament... but wives serve your husbands because of the first book of the old testament”
Lilith wasn't really canonical. Just the theological version of 'fan fiction', much like purgatory or hell having layers.
The Lilith in the bible could either be a type of night bird, like a screech owl; It can also be a reference to a demon known in Babylon that killed pregnant women, unborn children, and infants.
Outside of the bible, there are stories and theories that the first people did not have incest because Adam may have mated with one of these Liliths and that is why the Liliths hate human women so much.
If he feels it the moral thing to do...repugnant.
Your faces during this were exactly mine. I can't count how many times I said WTF out loud. No. Just no to all of it. Despite being born in the early 60s, I have always been "this is bullshit' from an intuitive place. You're exactly right in that it's patriarchal BS born of privilege and not wanting to cede that privilege because God. I reject all of it, period. Nice vid, Emma. I joined your Patreon community this past wee and am excited to see what you create over there.
Thank you Lisa, you always make my day!
"compromise is sacred in humanism and sinful in the Bible"
Me: "only a sith deals in absolutes."
Never apologize for reading the ESV over the King James. It's a more accurate direct translation and was translated with a greater pool of ancient manuscripts.
Have you read the 17th century poet, Aemilia Lanyer? She’s pretty great. This video made me think of her poem, “Eve’s Apology” where she turns the biblical fall narrative on its head to argue against the misogyny of her contemporaries. As she tells it, Adam acted out of malice and men have never quite stopped (‘This sin of yours hath no excuse, nor end’). Eve was better because she was moved only by a virtuous curiosity (‘If Eve did err, it was for knowledge sake’). And so, Lanyer addresses the men of her time:
‘Your fault being greater, why should you disdain
Our being your equals, free from tyranny?’ (“Eve’s Apology” - spelling modernised)
I mean, condemning someone to Hell is even less powerful than condemning someone to Azkaban. At least Azkaban was a part of the original text. And trying to live according the Book of Revelations makes as much sense as me living my life according to the text of Last Week Tonight by St. John Oliver. There is an argument to be made about the relevance of various passages of the Bible to the actual teachings of Jesus, but Revelations itself was political satire using Biblical language (directed at Rome, iirc,) while the concept of Hell was medieval fanfiction.
Newcomer to your channel. Love your analysis.
Are you insulting the doctrines of Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption?
While a lot of things from our vision of Hell might come from medieval times, the concept of Hell is much older. First century Jews certainly should have heard of various concepts of hell.
Emma, you are amazing as usual! When I find a new video from you, I always know my day is about to get a bit brighter! Thank you for all your efforts fighting the good fight on behalf of the decent folks on this planet!
In the words of Freddie Mercury: I'm going to hell, that's where all the cool people are.
What's so confusing to me about all this is that this is apparently what people like Girl Defined believes. But if that's the case, there is no way they would be "allowed" to have their own platform like they do. It's truly so confusing to me lol. Also - I feel bad for whomever is married to this guy. yikers.
Yeah that has always baffled me. Same with The Transformed Wife. These women have their own ministries, which should be absolutely unacceptable according to what they preach...
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I think it's a "I am with you, so direct your ire to another party." It's like a weird mixture of a defense mechanism and a means to gain power. In abusive relationships, it's not uncommon for long term victims to become enablers and then abusers themselves. The dark journey starts as a defense mechanism, by playing nice they won't incur the wrath of the abuser. Later, when a new victim is pulled into the mix, the older victim enables the abuse to further redirect the abuse away from themselves and exert some abuse themselves as a form of catharsis.
What I'm trying to argue overall, is that even though theses individuals women will never reach true equal standing to their male counterparts, they have "learned" that the best way both defend from abuse and gain power and privilege is to enable the mindset.
he has a blog post about wife spanking where he laments that he can't spank his own wife because she's too old and moderately feminist.
he also advocates polygyny and defends porn, so he's a bit of an oddball even among the christian patriarchy crowd
@@EmmaThorneVideos Self-righteous people always make exceptions for themselves. The higher good and all that...
@@joshridinger3407 Ah so ' I'll do the Bible stuff as far as it gives me power, and after that do whatever I want because I get to say what is moral'
this is why when my mum wants me to be more Christian and visit the church I just can't. I hate the husband and wife talk I listened to when I was a kid. the amount of my old friends that now think with this same mindset is disgusting . it's all so contradictory
Depending on your perspective, you could make a moral argument about anything, including and not limited to laundry detergent. In fact, I'm sure you could make a biblically based moral argument for the decision of which laundry detergent to use
Lovely video. I laughed out loud when you talked about Abraham and god making a bro pact. 😂
“How would you have any impact on your wife?”
Um. My guy, you don’t need to have an impact on “your” wife. You can discuss things with her but she has as much say as you do.
Give your wife a shopping budget?
Nah nah nah. The manager of the home sets the shopping budget.
Me and my partner to dot believe in idea of compromising. We seek consensus instead.
When you compromise it is a loose-loose situation (nobody gets what they want, but get a little bit of what they want). We try to find out ways of win-win. Which means that we have to both agree. The farthest we go with compromise is that one person might not care that much and lets the other decide and then goes along with it. If we both care, then we both have to agree on a decision.
So far it has worked for us - we've been together for over 26 years.
Emma, I find you hypnotic and funny.
Please, never stop these posts.
Peace.
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