when micah said she was an empath i knew she was going to be horrible 😭 my mom is a textbook covert narcissist and she ALWAYS describes herself as an empath it’s wild
Yes! Thank you for pointing out how Micah manipulated Kwame into thinking their connection was stronger than his and Chelsea's. I thought the reunion would get into this but it didn't
Yeah, Kwame really ended up saving Micah at the reunion on that point by claiming it was Chelsea that he always wanted to be with. I suppose he had no choice but to say that in order to save his relationship, but it felt very disingenuous.
Yes, how Micah led Kwame on kind of made me feel a bit sick when I first saw it. I had a hard time articulating exactly why and how it was wrong because of the word salad which totally was confusing to me when I first heard it but you do a great job of pinpointing exactly what was wrong with the things she said in that moment.
My husband is a legit empath and he gets really shy and overwhelmed when it is brought up. For years he never knew all the energies and feelings he was picking up and he was super anxious about it. I can never picture him just saying out loud "hi! I'm an empath!!"
I've been waiting for this 🤣 Here's a question that I have thought about a lot: Why do these shows seem to garner so many toxic, socially dysfunctional personalities? Are these types drawn to them as a fuel for their need for attention? Do the producers seek these types out? A bit of both?
I suspect it's a bit of both. Fame disproportionately attracts narcissists because of the enormous amount of fuel it provides, plus other benefits like money, access to rarified social circles, etc. Then I imagine producers screen them in because they recognise that they will be TV gold.
@P-D-A hmm... I think it varies. In my country more than half of these love is blind/married at first sight marriages actually turned out to become very successfull. Then I take a look at the American and Australian versions of the exact same TV format and those people are all inhabitants of Narc City, it's ludicrous. I don't know how narcissism varies according to countries/nations or generations, but I think there must be a discrepancy there.
Been looking forward to this series. As I was watching, I was listing all the narc tactics she was using and then applauding when you said them. I watch a therapist channel who never pointed out how manipulative Micah was with both Kwame and Paul, which was glaringly obvious to me. Unfortunately, this is because he tends to give people too much of the benefit of the doubt and thinks too positively about people. You nailed the subtleties of her manipulation here, so thank you!
@@am20770 yes. I enjoy watching him for the most part and his positivity is great sometimes but when it causes him to overlook potentially dangerous, abusive, hurtful behaviour, that’s not just bad, it’s dangerous. Constantly making excuses for someone’s bad behaviour is what most people do so to hear a therapist, especially someone who claims to specialize in narcissists, do this is really only beneficial for the perpetrators.
I feel like he was pretty clearly seeing what we were all seeing, but he’s also a professional and he’s very aware that it would be unprofessional as a therapist for him to diagnose based on edited clips. That said, it is super nice to have my feelings about Micah validated in this video. She’s super manipulative.
I am glad this thread exists. I was thinking the same thing & was waiting for this channel to cover the show it was the validation I needed on my thought process for these two girls. Thank you everyone for the discussion. Looking forward to this series 🎉
Thank god someone else noticed. The whole time I was thinking about how these two women literally snatched their matches away from the better person for them, bc they were being selfish and wanted to go to Mexico
I really enjoy your videos, they are so detailed and very well explained, that have helped me recognize the many traits of narcissist people I’ve met, and one person I have to deal with to to this day. It’s way better to handle situations when you understand what’s going on. Keep up with the great work!!
Thank goodness a therapist has confirmed the absolute manipulation that Micah engaged in with Kwame, and Paul as well. Then she turns tail after he said that he wanted to propose early. You can see the air go out of his sails immediately.
Love your videos! I’d love to see your breakdown on Danielle from 90 day Fiancé: The Other Way. People say she exhibits classic narcissistic tendencies and I think it would be extremely educational.
Micah’s claim she’s an empath shows she’s consciously aware she isn’t, it’s overcompensation. And we see that in her friends & Irina. Paul was grilled, why? Reading between the lines, he saw & heard about big red flags & ran, good for him. Needless to say, no, she wouldn’t be a nurturing mother. I watch this with my son, my own only child especially as his father is a narc. They’re more likely to become narcissistic like Micah. How much you want to bet that Micah & Irina don’t end up on Season 2 of Perfect Match??? I bet they will. It’s a hook up show, full of manipulation & perfect for them.
Not sure if Micah is a full blown narcissist. She might just be highly selfish I know she’s an only child. Narcissists constantly tell lies and I haven’t seen her do that. She might just have a blind spot. I see the lack of self reflection but I just don’t see enough evidence to prove that she has NPD. Is there something I’m missing?
You're right - all narcissists lie (and we've caught Micah in one on the very first part of the series, with more to come). However, narcissists come in all shapes and sizes. They can range from an in-your-face, bragging type, where sometimes practically every word out of their mouth is a lie, to the "do gooder" who wants everybody to see what a helpful and nice person they are. To some narcissists, it's vital to preserve their facade of being a good, honest, kind, person. And getting constantly caught in lies would damage this facade. So they are much more subtle and selective in where they tell lies. Stick around for the series and I'll show you exactly why Micah is a narcissist, as well as some discussion on these different types of narcissists.
@@thenarcissistwatcher A lot of times Micah just comes off to me as really self centered and selfish and not pathological. I could be wrong. I'm looking forward to your analysis thanks for responding.
@@thenarcissistwatcher Micah was on Nick Viall's show today. She said she lied about her and Paul not havings sex before the pool party. She said she lied because her mom would be watching the show. She did admit the lie, I don't think a narcissist would admit to lying, but that doesn't look good for her with regards to narcissism.
@@MomandBuggs A narcissist isn't generally going to admit to a big, reputation-damaging lie unless it's absolutely necessary (e.g. they are shown incontrovertible evidence). But in the case you just mentioned with Micah, it's a relatively small lie that isn't going to tarnish her reputation. Plus, she justified why she lied, which makes it even less likely that people are going to judge her negatively for it.
@the narcissist watcher I just watched this where Irina appears to exhibit signs of self-reflection, she says she behaved badly, but does make excuses at times for her behaviour. I would be interested to hear your take on these apologies from MIcah and Irina. They appear to be an illusion. Jackie’s by contrast never seem genuine. A case of lesser narc vs mid-range? th-cam.com/video/ude2FmUdlIE/w-d-xo.html
Narcissists can certainly show the appearance of being sorry and recognising what they did was wrong. It can be obvious that they aren't truly sorry (e.g. Jackie) or it can look very convincing. But either way, it's just a manipulation and they aren't capable of genuine change. Bear in mind that virtually every single person Irina knows will be telling her the same thing: "go up there and say how sorry you are, how ashamed you are for what you did, how you're trying to grow from this, etc. etc.". She isn't stupid, and will realise that these are the words she needs to say in order to save her own skin.
My question is if she is an empath why did she admit at the end of the reunion that she was so focused on her own self she laughed at people crying n didn't care abt their emotions. Isn't that the opposite of empath?
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when micah said she was an empath i knew she was going to be horrible 😭 my mom is a textbook covert narcissist and she ALWAYS describes herself as an empath it’s wild
It’s grandiose to consistently promote oneself as an empath. I wonder if your mom might be a borderline too.
no way!!
Paul the real winner of season 4. Call that boy Neo cause he had to dodge all the bullets
That reunion is so problematic. Vanessa and Nick are not the people to lead this. Awful
Yeah, that was so disappointing. Irina attempting to cry was an interesting sight though!
I think someone like a couple's therapist or a 'narcissist watcher' would make much better choice.
Yes! Thank you for pointing out how Micah manipulated Kwame into thinking their connection was stronger than his and Chelsea's. I thought the reunion would get into this but it didn't
Yeah, Kwame really ended up saving Micah at the reunion on that point by claiming it was Chelsea that he always wanted to be with. I suppose he had no choice but to say that in order to save his relationship, but it felt very disingenuous.
@The Narcissist Watcher you're so right. Kwame didn't have enough insight to connect the dots because he's a good person.
Yes, how Micah led Kwame on kind of made me feel a bit sick when I first saw it. I had a hard time articulating exactly why and how it was wrong because of the word salad which totally was confusing to me when I first heard it but you do a great job of pinpointing exactly what was wrong with the things she said in that moment.
She continues to manipulate him after the pods.
My husband is a legit empath and he gets really shy and overwhelmed when it is brought up. For years he never knew all the energies and feelings he was picking up and he was super anxious about it. I can never picture him just saying out loud "hi! I'm an empath!!"
I've been waiting for this 🤣
Here's a question that I have thought about a lot: Why do these shows seem to garner so many toxic, socially dysfunctional personalities? Are these types drawn to them as a fuel for their need for attention? Do the producers seek these types out? A bit of both?
I suspect it's a bit of both. Fame disproportionately attracts narcissists because of the enormous amount of fuel it provides, plus other benefits like money, access to rarified social circles, etc. Then I imagine producers screen them in because they recognise that they will be TV gold.
I think the former. What sane person would go on a show like this particularly one where it concerns a marriage proposal to a stranger
@P-D-A hmm... I think it varies. In my country more than half of these love is blind/married at first sight marriages actually turned out to become very successfull.
Then I take a look at the American and Australian versions of the exact same TV format and those people are all inhabitants of Narc City, it's ludicrous.
I don't know how narcissism varies according to countries/nations or generations, but I think there must be a discrepancy there.
Been looking forward to this series. As I was watching, I was listing all the narc tactics she was using and then applauding when you said them. I watch a therapist channel who never pointed out how manipulative Micah was with both Kwame and Paul, which was glaringly obvious to me. Unfortunately, this is because he tends to give people too much of the benefit of the doubt and thinks too positively about people. You nailed the subtleties of her manipulation here, so thank you!
Are you talking about Kirk Honda?😂 Because same😂 It was getting so frustrating, the mincing of words and endless yammering besides the point😭
@@am20770 yes. I enjoy watching him for the most part and his positivity is great sometimes but when it causes him to overlook potentially dangerous, abusive, hurtful behaviour, that’s not just bad, it’s dangerous. Constantly making excuses for someone’s bad behaviour is what most people do so to hear a therapist, especially someone who claims to specialize in narcissists, do this is really only beneficial for the perpetrators.
I feel like he was pretty clearly seeing what we were all seeing, but he’s also a professional and he’s very aware that it would be unprofessional as a therapist for him to diagnose based on edited clips.
That said, it is super nice to have my feelings about Micah validated in this video. She’s super manipulative.
@@MeganManXxX He can mention the behaviour without diagnosing and very often he doesn't do that.
I am glad this thread exists. I was thinking the same thing & was waiting for this channel to cover the show it was the validation I needed on my thought process for these two girls. Thank you everyone for the discussion. Looking forward to this series 🎉
Yes!!!!!!!! Looking forward to this more than that trash reunion
Thank god someone else noticed. The whole time I was thinking about how these two women literally snatched their matches away from the better person for them, bc they were being selfish and wanted to go to Mexico
I absolutely love your series! Yes, HG Tudor is wonderful but your use of clips, along with your explanations, are enlightening!
I really enjoy your videos, they are so detailed and very well explained, that have helped me recognize the many traits of narcissist people I’ve met, and one person I have to deal with to to this day. It’s way better to handle situations when you understand what’s going on. Keep up with the great work!!
I really had a bad feeling about Micah… she def toyed w Kwame and surrounded herself w crappy ppl
re watching this i must say, she is a good manipulator, i will give her that, she can lean people with phrases that can be disregarded aftewards
This series is so fascinating to me, please keep em coming! You are so well researched and put together.
Please continue these types of vids 🙏🏼❤️
Well done. I’m so thrilled you’re doing this series! Spot on.
been waiting for this one lol
watching them laugh and spy on Amber crying genuinely made me recoil
I'm so here for all of those juicy red flags. Can't wait for more!!
OMG!! like like I'm so excited to see this video 😂😂😂
Thank goodness a therapist has confirmed the absolute manipulation that Micah engaged in with Kwame, and Paul as well. Then she turns tail after he said that he wanted to propose early. You can see the air go out of his sails immediately.
Yes, and Micah later humiliates Kwame poolside with the failed proposal barb
nice!! looking fwd to your breakdown
Loved the video, looking forward to more
I love this so much!!!
Love your videos! I’d love to see your breakdown on Danielle from 90 day Fiancé: The Other Way. People say she exhibits classic narcissistic tendencies and I think it would be extremely educational.
Thanks, I haven't actually seen that series yet but I'll add it to my list.
Micah’s claim she’s an empath shows she’s consciously aware she isn’t, it’s overcompensation. And we see that in her friends & Irina. Paul was grilled, why? Reading between the lines, he saw & heard about big red flags & ran, good for him.
Needless to say, no, she wouldn’t be a nurturing mother. I watch this with my son, my own only child especially as his father is a narc. They’re more likely to become narcissistic like Micah.
How much you want to bet that Micah & Irina don’t end up on Season 2 of Perfect Match??? I bet they will. It’s a hook up show, full of manipulation & perfect for them.
Not sure if Micah is a full blown narcissist. She might just be highly selfish I know she’s an only child. Narcissists constantly tell lies and I haven’t seen her do that. She might just have a blind spot. I see the lack of self reflection but I just don’t see enough evidence to prove that she has NPD. Is there something I’m missing?
You're right - all narcissists lie (and we've caught Micah in one on the very first part of the series, with more to come). However, narcissists come in all shapes and sizes. They can range from an in-your-face, bragging type, where sometimes practically every word out of their mouth is a lie, to the "do gooder" who wants everybody to see what a helpful and nice person they are.
To some narcissists, it's vital to preserve their facade of being a good, honest, kind, person. And getting constantly caught in lies would damage this facade. So they are much more subtle and selective in where they tell lies.
Stick around for the series and I'll show you exactly why Micah is a narcissist, as well as some discussion on these different types of narcissists.
@@thenarcissistwatcher A lot of times Micah just comes off to me as really self centered and selfish and not pathological. I could be wrong. I'm looking forward to your analysis thanks for responding.
@@thenarcissistwatcher Micah was on Nick Viall's show today. She said she lied about her and Paul not havings sex before the pool party. She said she lied because her mom would be watching the show. She did admit the lie, I don't think a narcissist would admit to lying, but that doesn't look good for her with regards to narcissism.
@@MomandBuggs A narcissist isn't generally going to admit to a big, reputation-damaging lie unless it's absolutely necessary (e.g. they are shown incontrovertible evidence).
But in the case you just mentioned with Micah, it's a relatively small lie that isn't going to tarnish her reputation. Plus, she justified why she lied, which makes it even less likely that people are going to judge her negatively for it.
Can we do this with Jax and Tom Sandoval from VPR?
Can you do one on Colby Kissinger ?
He was a blatant narcissist in his season.
If I get time, I would love to - he's a fascinating character who can turn on a lot of charm when it's needed.
@the narcissist watcher I just watched this where Irina appears to exhibit signs of self-reflection, she says she behaved badly, but does make excuses at times for her behaviour. I would be interested to hear your take on these apologies from MIcah and Irina. They appear to be an illusion. Jackie’s by contrast never seem genuine. A case of lesser narc vs mid-range? th-cam.com/video/ude2FmUdlIE/w-d-xo.html
Narcissists can certainly show the appearance of being sorry and recognising what they did was wrong. It can be obvious that they aren't truly sorry (e.g. Jackie) or it can look very convincing. But either way, it's just a manipulation and they aren't capable of genuine change.
Bear in mind that virtually every single person Irina knows will be telling her the same thing: "go up there and say how sorry you are, how ashamed you are for what you did, how you're trying to grow from this, etc. etc.". She isn't stupid, and will realise that these are the words she needs to say in order to save her own skin.
@@thenarcissistwatcher thank you, yes, I certainly agree.
My question is if she is an empath why did she admit at the end of the reunion that she was so focused on her own self she laughed at people crying n didn't care abt their emotions. Isn't that the opposite of empath?