Oh man, this reminds me of how much potential Finn had as a character and how they did absolutely nothing with it. By the end of the trilogy, his main job was yelling other people's names.
This was one thing about The Last Jedi I wish had been continued. His interactions with the thief and discovering the cash belching war machine running underneath the never-ending conflict was SUPER interesting and I looked forward to seeing if he became a neutral party. But nah. Completely dropped the thread.
@@Paulafan5 I was expecting Kylo Ren to grow more powerful and have a two-on-one saber battle against Rey and Finn (like Darth Maul or Asajj Ventress fights Anakin and Obi-Wan). Instead they kind of wandered around in all directions with the plot and ended with "Palpatine is back and Rey is the embodiment of all Jedi because this is Highlander or something." I also expected Rey and Ren both meaning "king" or "ruler" in other languages to become significant. Maybe even throw in another Jedi/Sith named Rex at some point.
Love the "tie fighter". And that was an awesome joke about how in 20 years you'll be doing what all the studios are doing now with older-hero reboots. Well done, sir!
When he talking about the future, I immediately imagined him saying it would be like today's "heroes are old" movies, then he said it. He led me right to it, and the anticipation of it coming enhanced it. He's good.
I actually love you pointing out plot contrivance. That is the best part about the pitch meetings I miss. Your pitch meetings can easily make a writer question themselves.
Honestly the "happens" joke is perfectly justified. Rey is another in a too-long list of protagonists who never do any protagonising. They just get bumped along by the universe, whispering "You're the Chosen One!"
@@darwinism8181 with Luke there was tons of doubt and he spent years developing his force abilities and training to be anything resembling a Jedi. before that he was a farmer that liked to fly as a hobby. his first scene using a light saber was him getting shot repeatedly by a little training drone while he was learning to use the basic abilities of the force. if Luke had fought Vader in episode 4 then Luke would have been cut down instantly, before he could even swing his light saber. there was one big "because the movie needs to happen" moment: Luke buying the droids, everything else was generally a natural flow of events resulting from the droids falling specifically into Luke's hands. Anakin also spent years training and before that he was a pod racer that had really good reflexes. again Anakin was like 10 years old in the first movie so there was ZERO chance of him winning any fights. he wasn't shown as being properly trained until the second movie where he is well on his way to being a full adult. the big "because the movie needs to happen" moment there was simply Anakin being discovered by the jedi. in both previous cases, Luke and Anakin just barely had hints of weak jedi abilities, and no one was calling either of them "the chosen one" or any of that crap. Rey just kind of realized she was a jedi while sitting in a chair and started casually manipulating people's minds, using force pulls, and was suddenly an expert at fighting with a light saber. there was no training even implied, she just suddenly had a whole bunch of jedi master skills out of nowhere. and, i think the video did a decent job of listing off all of the "because the movie needs to happen" moments there.
I still love how Rey happens to be able to fly the Falcon, happens to understand BB8, happens to understand Chewie and happens to awaken powers when it suits her.
And also happens to be a space ship mechanic after only ever ripping apart the dead hulk of a Star Destroyer.... . And also happens to speak with a British accent on Jakku even thought they don't show any other characters from that planet with British accents. . And also happens to be able to START the Millennium Flacon after it's been sitting in a junk yard for... years.... decades? Don't advanced space ships have any kind of security like... I dunno... a key at the very least? Or biometric login? I can't even sign into my Fantasy Football league without a complex password. . And of course the Falcon's fuel cells are all fully charged and ready to go, and the dry desert air and sandstorms one would expect on a sand planet haven't dried out any of its components or clogged any of it's systems. . I agree that conveniences and contrivances are needed to set things up. In Star Wars IV, I always thought it was too convenient that Leia's ship was attacked right near Tatooine, where her twin brother Luke just happened to live, and the droids just happen to land within about 10-20 miles of Luke's home, and his uncle just happened to need an interpreter droid, etc. But ultimately, once they got the story moving, it made sense that they found Han Solo where they did, that he had a motivation to help them (owing money to Jabba the Hut), and that Leia's capture led the Empire to destroy Alderaan, etc.
@@sidwhiting665 I can see her having the mechanic skills with the provision that the ship parts are essentially the same between ships, just maybe a different size. Otherwise ship mechanics in Star Wars would be like doctors; with a ton of different specialties. I'm not sure if all this is something known or not though.
Hey Ryan, question for you, have you ever seen a movie that you would’ve really liked to make a pitch meeting on but didn’t because you didn’t feel like it was a pitch meeting most people would be interested in?
I feel like doing Pitch Meetings on some less popular movies might actually drive people to watch some of them, bridging the taste-gap between Ryan and us in some way.
@@nightmareTomekNah I agree with the other guy, there's some movies I've watched sooner than I would've *because* I wanted to see the Pitch Meeting/Honest Trailer. 1. I don't want spoilers and 2. The jokes hit better when you know first-hand which scenes they're making fun of. Some jokes make you realize things you didn't notice when you watched the movie and some of them are extra funny when they point out stuff you noticed yourself, like "thank you I knew it wasn't just me!" Lol Sometimes when I watch a movie with my mom she'll make fun of parts of it and she'll ask me after to play the Pitch Meeting for it lol, like she was making fun of Wonder Woman's theme music playing all the time in the Snyder-cut so when Ryan made the same joke we started dying 😂
@@kredonystus7768 I got the one that you tie to your balls. It's much better for mobility. Only takes a few weeks to build up some callouses and she'll be right mate!
The string-of-coincidences joke is still valid. I can see how it may feel harsh in hindsight, but even if a few would be acceptable, there are SO MANY than lining them all up to mock them is both legit critique and funny. Love all your content
essentially, it's not a Star Wars movie. It's a JJ Abrams alternate timeline reboot done relatively well (for once), as a homage to "A new hope". A fan film that doesn't take itself seriously, but with the budget dialed up to 11. Of course, I don't consider it cannon, and the "string of coincidences" is a nod to Indiana Jones (the movie were Indy literally had no impact whatsoever).
criticising force awakens's coincidences is 100% valid. Generally you're allowed to have a couple coincidences as your inciting event to get the ball rolling, and every major coincidence from then on is a problem. That's not to say that having 1 big coincidence after the beginning automatically makes it bad, it depends on how big of a coincidence, how important it is to the story and how many of them you have. But TFA has so many coincidences that are literally astronomically unlikely, you probably only touched on half of them. You can have a lot of these plot points without them being huge coincidences, it just takes time and effort to fit all the pieces together in the writing room
Question: Have you ever wondered that there are a team of writers out there(who are big fans of you), working on the ultimate bulletproof script, hoping that the movie doesn't appear on one of your episodes? You seriously rock, dude. Every single video you've made has always made me laugh.
Honestly, as a viewer, if there were actual writers focused on avoiding the Pitch Meeting, I can only think that would make MY viewing experience oh so much better!
@@trumpetbob15 Right?! I agree with you on that one, bud. I like to imagine that it's Ryan VS The Writers, and Ryan always prevails because it's "super easy, barely an inconvenience." Haha.
I love that the calling Rey “Raymond” at first is only to make the silly “Everybody Loves Raymond” joke. That’s the sort of high quality writing that made me follow this series!
That as well as pointing out how silly it is to give girls a boys name especially when most of its fans are in the country that is making the film. Such as.... Michael Burnam from STD Or.. A former president calling his "wife" Michael all the time instead of Michelle. ;))
The thing about plot conveniences like in the "happens" section is that even the best movies have one or two small ones. That's not a bad thing. It becomes a problem when there's several dozen of them. When the majority of the plot can be described as "so the movie can happen", that's a sign that the whole movie has kinda become one giant excuse for itself. So anyway I bet you can't make a pitch meeting of Matilda because it's too good.
exactly, movies can only be so long and the visual medium cannot do character thoughts, expo dumps the way books can, so a couple of plot conveniences are okay but it can't just be a never ending sequence of plot convenience after plot convenience like these star wars sequels
Hi Friend. I'd love to see him do a pitch meeting of Matilda, but he's said before that not all movies can be Pitched...there have to be things to make fun of in his wonderfully Canadian way, and there are just movies that are really good and don't have a lot of places of which one can make jest.
Most stories have several "plot contrivances", but when writing and production is good you become immersed enough to not notice them. Christopher Nolan is very good at this.
@@sfurules Oh for sure, that's why I said I bet he can't. There's virtually nothing wrong with it to make fun of; it would make for a pretty terrible pitch meeting.
Ryan, your pitch meetings STILL hold up. We enjoy the humor, but the insight and discernment is what is most compelling for me. Anybody can criticize a movie, but your funny vids work because they're true!
As a Muay Thai practitioner, I sincerely hoped that the TIE Fighter Ryan was drawing would be a photo realistic Thai fighter, but I will still accept the necktie fighter we got instead.
As a Mooee Thigh bagger, I was hoping you would answer me as to why my box smells like trash in the bee room every time post taco bell triple stuffed burrito night boy?
@@TheElbowMerchant Makin' jokes at the expense of a gurlz box ain't right boy. A real man would apologize to me right now, but, we both know you won't, BOY!!!
@@jennyanydots2389 I apologize for replying to your comment about the smell of your box. I am, however, incredibly grateful for the laugh. And not personally having to have the olfactory experience related to said box.
That's one of if not the absolute most accurate depiction of a tie fighter I've ever seen anywhere. The world is better now for it. Thank you Ryan, ten thousand times, thank you. Watched for the movie savaging, and stayed for the drawing. Commentary for the laugh it brought.
I thought I would get sick of the catchphrases, but after years of watching pitch meetings they still make me laugh. No one can say "it's super easy" in our house without some else saying "barely an inconvenience". Its like you just can't not say it. Love your work!
8:11 "That glass of milk that they give to the guests, that would be too spicy for me" LMAO, that was one of the funniest lines I've heard Ryan say. I follow his other channels... That line was gold!
My first Pitch Meeting was Coraline, and, to be honest, the only reason I still watch them is because I keep hoping to see another one as good as that one.
NO!! It was NOT a bit harsh! It was spot on! Well done then, and more so now! This is one of the many things that you do that make your pitch meetings so enjoyable! Thanks, and keep them coming!
It’s funny how Ryan still watches marvel shows only so he can keep making pitch meetings for them and I only watch marvel shows just so I can then watch the pitch meeting for them
Ya. It seemed like both characters were the same person. 🤔 And by that, I mean they acted the same. In the newer ones, they each have a much different personality. 😀🤨
@@theMLBfan To me it seems like the old ones, he's just reading a teleprompter. The new ones he's acting as a character. Maybe somewhat over the top, but it is for comedy effect.
You really nailed the SW 'reboot/just tell the same story' aspect of it. Not to mention the multiple deus ex machina coincidences littered throughout the movie. I never miss a pitch meeting. You are quite possibly my favorite TH-camr and comedian.
Most of the similarities are hardly endemic to Star Wars though. Admittedly I didn’t get the hype for the original trilogy until 2018 so maybe not the best to say.
Just once, I want a Pitch Meeting where an "I'm gonna need you to get all the way off my back about that," is immediately responded with, "No... No I don't think I will."
As an Australian i feel very recognised by u shouting out you’re upside down viewers😂 ty🙌👏 but seriously plz keep making these videos, they make my day
I honestly watch alot of your pitch meetings instead on the shows. You are doing us all a great community service sir. We appreciate your selfless act.
It was pretty fantastic. The coincidence thing was genius. It had me rolling so hard. Omg, you went off in that section. I can’t disagree with you either. That’s what made it so funny. That video still holds up. Love your channel.
I never fully appreciated how much Ryan is taking one on the chin for the rest of us by continuing to watch Marvel products. Thank you for your sacrifice.
I've never seen a _Star Wars_ movie, so thank you for explaining what happens without telling me how it happened so you don't spoil it for whenever I happen to not see it.
You have definitely gotten much better over time. Watching an old video like this then a new one right after you can definitely tell a difference. You are awesome 👍
You're kind of the only channel I have notifications turned on for and it's always the typical "babe stop what you're doing, ryan and george have a new video up" kinda situation.
As an upside down viewer, I appreciate the shout-out. The "happens" joke is earned. There's an old writing saying that coincidences that get characters into trouble are good, coincidences that get them out of trouble are bad. You can get away with a couple of lucky coincidences if the rest of the movie is solidly written, but Force Awakens felt really lazy, especially when you combine all those coincidences with the constant retread of the first Star Wars plot.
One of your best. Ray Romano and BB8 are killer. Ever thought of doing a flashback pitch meeting, like to earlier versions of the characters. Might be fun.
You work so hard on these videos! I think a good comic has to relate to the audience more than have great one - liners. We all are having it tough these days, and your work definitely cuts down on the confusion we all feel , but do not express when we watch these movies. Thank You! And your catch phrases are hilarious! Please do a pitch meeting about some of the 90’s crap movies like “ Stuart Little” and other mind - numbing feely films.
You´re a freaking genius man! I´m from Brazil and so happen to have american relatives and so happen to have studied english and so happen to know what you´re talking about and so happen to laugh at your humor and the way you present reality to us all.
In retrospect of whether it holds up: I was a super fan of the franchise and probably would have been frustrated with your take at the time, but, you know, your TFA video and the line “you forgot to pay that off, didn’t you” pretty much sums up why you were right all along Somehow after I watched Alias and Lost and Star Trek 2009 I still believed that JJ Abrams had a plan
Hey Ryan, question: Is it difficult to watch a movie in American English and then translate it into Canadianese, then re-translate the Picth Meeting script back into English for TH-cam? Also, I hope your crops are doing well this year, its been a rough season.
6:20 The first 1 or 2 contrivances to get the plot rolling are fine, as two unlikely things happening / meeting is the natural starting point of any story. But after that, as events should make sense in-universe, any more contrivances need to have proper setup and development.
i'm sorry, i find it hilarious that ryan basically just rerunning old videos and giving input on them, telling us production secrets, and revealing how he's grown as time goes on is still miles more entertaining than the whole of screenrants catalogue of video's
I'm in that age group these old stars are now part of, and it's terrific for me in one particular way. As in, it had just occurred to me while watching this video that I didn't recall watching it beforehand. Hey, that's terrific I thought, now I can watch this Pitch Meeting over and over again, and all I have to do is wait a few months' time and it's brand new again.
I think any one of those plot contrivances would merit its own “so the movie can happen” side joke, so the way to maximize their funniness and not waste any is to rattle them off like you did. “Rey just happens to…” is probably the most said thing in that writers’ room
I love your videos Ryan, they are witty and the jokes are not cheap, they are actually well thought through and deserved 🎉 why don’t you do pitch meetings for older movies
Hallo Ryan, the question I'm most curious about is how your voice transformation came along, in old pitch meetings you talk in a much more normal way which I assume is closer to your actual voice, but over the years it gradually became the happy dopey cartoonish voice that we now know and love, what was your thought process behind that?
Yes, yes, yes…! The joke is still approved. Sure, there has to always be a couple of coincidences, but it got completely ridiculous in most of the blockbuster movies recently. Rey having an arc that is pretty much a straight upward line is my favorite joke in the whole thing. You couldn’t describe her character line any more perfectly. She starts out great and goes straight to super awesome perfection.
Regarding superhero fatigue... I too, suffer from it. The only reason I continue watching some shows - besides being already invested, is so I can enjoy the pitch meeting! It makes my suffering a whole lot more worthwhile. So, thank you Ryan!
Never, ever cringe at what you have done in the past Ryan. They are not cringe they are the scars of learning. I'm a huge fan, I love your work. keep feeding me :D
You’ve already talked about actor guests in a previous Q&A but have you ever considered having actual producers/screenwriters as a cameo or reacting to their pitch meeting ? (I know you’ve had private conversations with some of them and WE ARE DYING TO KNOW WHAT THEY THINK). Merci, bisous.
The Stormtroopers bit... one of the best written, best delivered things you've ever done! Fk'n amazing stuff. Also, the Joey Fatone thing absolutely killed me! Well done!
Hi Ryan. I absolutely love your videos. You make me laugh all the time so thank you. I have two questions for you. Question 1: When doing pitch’s for book adaptations, do you ever read the books in order to gain a greater understanding of the story? Question 2: a couple of years ago, a TH-camr called the Nostalgia Critic did a parody of your pitch meetings in his review of Alien 3. I was wondering if you had seen his parody and if so, what you thought of it.
Once is fine; it's kind of like the old adage that science fiction should never have more than one 'impossible' technology; _maybe_ two if your FTL drive can do nothing beyond moving things between stars. This is because it's hard to have a comprehensible plot when it's hard to wrap your mind around what characters can do; it's both more difficult for the author to create the plot and for the audience to follow it.
There's no flaw with Speed Racer. That movie is perfect in every way. It's a movie that's bad upon first viewing, but as time passes, you realize it's ludicrously perfection. 😂😂
Question: Has there ever been a time when you did a pitch meeting and the writer of that movie (or someone who worked on it) contacted you or mentioned the pitch meeting? Love the videos always looking forward to new ones
Question: Are there movies that you should have done a pitch meeting for, but couldn't because the movie was actually pretty good?... or is there a really good movie you want to do a pitch meeting but instead of bad ideas is a bunch of good ideas. (example Puss in Boots was a really well written movie but it doesn't have a pitch meeting).
@@SeraphsWitness probably, like which one?... but i wonder if there is one in particular he couldn't do because there wasn't too many flaws to make fun of...
He did the original Jurassic Park, for one. There aren't any movies that are so flawless they can't be made fun of. Because it's not just flaws you make fun of. @@casusolivas
Good movie with a pitch meeting: Spiderverse Good movie without a pitch meeting: Dune I have this strange feeling that Ryan loved Dune too much to write a pitch meeting for it, but no confirmation yet.
Would you please please please please do a pitch meeting for either the Scream ‘requel’ or the newest ‘requel sequel?’ Those movies deserve it so hard. Thanks for existing and giving us pitch meetings btw. It’s something I look forward to every week of my life.
Loved seeing this and how pitch meeting has evolved over the years. Much more sharp these days......for my best effort in coming up with a better word. You are a legend mate. love it.
The Force Awakens, to me, was what I considered, back then, "a good start". To me, it showed that it would be closer to the OT, much less like the prequels. Yes, it was blatantly copying A New Hope, and I assume that was on purpose. But then, the Ryan nation attacked. I imagine the backlash from the "Disney took no risks, they played it too safe" crowd made Disney try to course correct, and in their panic they definitely oversteered. "Now it's too different, doesn't feel like Star Wars anymore". Another oversteer in the other direction, "Look! Here's Palpatine!! And, huh... Sith/Jedi stuff! That's Star Wars right?". And now Star Wars is in this sad state, Disney is desperately trying to revive it, the heart beats once in a while but it's definitely flatlining. 5:51 Jurassic World already did that, with the "hey, remember her from Jurassic Park" T-Rex. Oh yeah, and the last one has the old cast, hasn't it?
Thank you Ryan for doing the hard work of watching Marvel shows so people like me who have given up on them (except Loki) can "watch" them on your channel.
You were abso-fucking-lutely not too hard on them for all easy writing. Its not hard to have all your plot points just so happen to line up with plot convenience. Which is what defines the Disney SW.
I actually thought the "which happens to..." joke was the best part of that, because it's so true. I think you would deliver that joke better in a current video but I think it was pretty hilarious, especially because it just keeps going and going lol!
the message you gave at the end of this video about your journey was just the message i needed to hear today. thank you dude. you and your content is so awesome.
Oh man, this reminds me of how much potential Finn had as a character and how they did absolutely nothing with it. By the end of the trilogy, his main job was yelling other people's names.
John Boyega just isn't main man material and China hates blacks.They should've cast someone else,preferably a handsome white guy.
This was one thing about The Last Jedi I wish had been continued. His interactions with the thief and discovering the cash belching war machine running underneath the never-ending conflict was SUPER interesting and I looked forward to seeing if he became a neutral party. But nah. Completely dropped the thread.
I assumed he was force sensitive, the way he handled a lightsaber and twice Kylo Ren seemed to sense something from him.
*R E I !*
@@Paulafan5 I was expecting Kylo Ren to grow more powerful and have a two-on-one saber battle against Rey and Finn (like Darth Maul or Asajj Ventress fights Anakin and Obi-Wan). Instead they kind of wandered around in all directions with the plot and ended with "Palpatine is back and Rey is the embodiment of all Jedi because this is Highlander or something."
I also expected Rey and Ren both meaning "king" or "ruler" in other languages to become significant. Maybe even throw in another Jedi/Sith named Rex at some point.
I think it's amazing how pitch meetings have evolved.
WOW wow wow.
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Wow.
World of Warcraft indeed! 😏
Yes, from when he did them on papyrus. It's been a bumpy ride.
I'll always only read this in the Ryan George imitation of Owen Wilson :') it's my favorite wow wow... wow
Love the "tie fighter".
And that was an awesome joke about how in 20 years you'll be doing what all the studios are doing now with older-hero reboots. Well done, sir!
When he talking about the future, I immediately imagined him saying it would be like today's "heroes are old" movies, then he said it. He led me right to it, and the anticipation of it coming enhanced it. He's good.
i knew it from the very begining
@@יעקבכהן-ו3מ Yep same, it was an obvious joke as soon as he mentioned it
I too also understand quips and references! Hoooray beer!!
@@quazzydiscmannow it's nappa
I actually love you pointing out plot contrivance. That is the best part about the pitch meetings I miss. Your pitch meetings can easily make a writer question themselves.
You have to be prone to self-reflection and commitment to the craft. But we're talking about Hollywood screenwriters here, so . . .
Seeing an old, grumpy Ryan George cameo in the reboot of Pitch Meetings 20 years from now sounds SOOO AWESOME, I'm already looking forward to it!
Honestly the "happens" joke is perfectly justified. Rey is another in a too-long list of protagonists who never do any protagonising. They just get bumped along by the universe, whispering "You're the Chosen One!"
You mean Raymond?
@@mlondimagubane8851 Everybody loves Raymond. 😂
Just like Luke, just like Anakin
As true as can be!
@@darwinism8181 with Luke there was tons of doubt and he spent years developing his force abilities and training to be anything resembling a Jedi. before that he was a farmer that liked to fly as a hobby. his first scene using a light saber was him getting shot repeatedly by a little training drone while he was learning to use the basic abilities of the force. if Luke had fought Vader in episode 4 then Luke would have been cut down instantly, before he could even swing his light saber. there was one big "because the movie needs to happen" moment: Luke buying the droids, everything else was generally a natural flow of events resulting from the droids falling specifically into Luke's hands.
Anakin also spent years training and before that he was a pod racer that had really good reflexes. again Anakin was like 10 years old in the first movie so there was ZERO chance of him winning any fights. he wasn't shown as being properly trained until the second movie where he is well on his way to being a full adult. the big "because the movie needs to happen" moment there was simply Anakin being discovered by the jedi.
in both previous cases, Luke and Anakin just barely had hints of weak jedi abilities, and no one was calling either of them "the chosen one" or any of that crap.
Rey just kind of realized she was a jedi while sitting in a chair and started casually manipulating people's minds, using force pulls, and was suddenly an expert at fighting with a light saber. there was no training even implied, she just suddenly had a whole bunch of jedi master skills out of nowhere. and, i think the video did a decent job of listing off all of the "because the movie needs to happen" moments there.
I still love how Rey happens to be able to fly the Falcon, happens to understand BB8, happens to understand Chewie and happens to awaken powers when it suits her.
In the Solo movie, when Hans talks to Chewie in his language, I just about lost my shit! 😂
She happens to be good at everything without ever having to earn it. Absolutely the worst character ever
And also happens to be a space ship mechanic after only ever ripping apart the dead hulk of a Star Destroyer....
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And also happens to speak with a British accent on Jakku even thought they don't show any other characters from that planet with British accents.
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And also happens to be able to START the Millennium Flacon after it's been sitting in a junk yard for... years.... decades? Don't advanced space ships have any kind of security like... I dunno... a key at the very least? Or biometric login? I can't even sign into my Fantasy Football league without a complex password.
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And of course the Falcon's fuel cells are all fully charged and ready to go, and the dry desert air and sandstorms one would expect on a sand planet haven't dried out any of its components or clogged any of it's systems.
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I agree that conveniences and contrivances are needed to set things up. In Star Wars IV, I always thought it was too convenient that Leia's ship was attacked right near Tatooine, where her twin brother Luke just happened to live, and the droids just happen to land within about 10-20 miles of Luke's home, and his uncle just happened to need an interpreter droid, etc. But ultimately, once they got the story moving, it made sense that they found Han Solo where they did, that he had a motivation to help them (owing money to Jabba the Hut), and that Leia's capture led the Empire to destroy Alderaan, etc.
Rey is a strong, independent woman, those happen to be good at whatever they want.
@@sidwhiting665
I can see her having the mechanic skills with the provision that the ship parts are essentially the same between ships, just maybe a different size. Otherwise ship mechanics in Star Wars would be like doctors; with a ton of different specialties. I'm not sure if all this is something known or not though.
Not only did the Ray Ramano joke stood the test of time but has been improved upon in this segment!
I for one loved the joke about Raymond
Everybody loves it :))))
Everybody loves Raymond joke.
Everybody loved the joke about Raymond
And the "tie fighter" was a wonderful visual pun.
Top tier. I had pause the video to just take it in! *chef's kiss*
Hey Ryan, question for you, have you ever seen a movie that you would’ve really liked to make a pitch meeting on but didn’t because you didn’t feel like it was a pitch meeting most people would be interested in?
I feel like doing Pitch Meetings on some less popular movies might actually drive people to watch some of them, bridging the taste-gap between Ryan and us in some way.
@@the_pheonix1 No way, Pitch Meetings save me from watching many movies. If they'd be about a good film, the Pitch Meetings wouldn't be funny.
Like it's the one that they needed, but not the one that they deserved? Yeah, he did all the Christopher Nolan Bat-Man films.
@@nightmareTomekNah I agree with the other guy, there's some movies I've watched sooner than I would've *because* I wanted to see the Pitch Meeting/Honest Trailer. 1. I don't want spoilers and 2. The jokes hit better when you know first-hand which scenes they're making fun of. Some jokes make you realize things you didn't notice when you watched the movie and some of them are extra funny when they point out stuff you noticed yourself, like "thank you I knew it wasn't just me!" Lol
Sometimes when I watch a movie with my mom she'll make fun of parts of it and she'll ask me after to play the Pitch Meeting for it lol, like she was making fun of Wonder Woman's theme music playing all the time in the Snyder-cut so when Ryan made the same joke we started dying 😂
@@dillpickle59yea same, I even watched the bad movie with Will Smith and his son, because the Pitch Meeting is so hilarious :')
As an Australian, I feel recognized. Thank you, Ryan. It's not easy living life upside down.
Hehehe!
Please can we please let this joke die, I am begging you
It should die and float six feet over!
How do you handle the outside harness'? Mine gives me chaffing on the shoulders.
@@kredonystus7768 I got the one that you tie to your balls. It's much better for mobility. Only takes a few weeks to build up some callouses and she'll be right mate!
It's fun to see how Ryan really developed the unique personality of these two characters over all the pitch meetings.
Well, he pays them, so he can direct their personalities as much as he wants to
Betcha they know what each other's bee whole smells like.
He has so much more voice range now, so much more expressive
Character development! It’s funny how impactful it can be when done right…. COUGH COUGH DISNEY
@@reezlaw Now that his ballz dropped for real this time, I cannot disagree with you son.
Round of applause for the "Everybody loves Raymond" joke.
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*_Applause_*
These revisits are great to remind us just how much more evolved the writer and producer characters are now than they were back then.
Wow wow wow wow 😁
Thank god Rey happens to be great at everything without training or anything! such a character of all times.
The string-of-coincidences joke is still valid. I can see how it may feel harsh in hindsight, but even if a few would be acceptable, there are SO MANY than lining them all up to mock them is both legit critique and funny.
Love all your content
Up yours woke moralists!! We'll see whom cancels whom!
essentially, it's not a Star Wars movie.
It's a JJ Abrams alternate timeline reboot done relatively well (for once), as a homage to "A new hope". A fan film that doesn't take itself seriously, but with the budget dialed up to 11.
Of course, I don't consider it cannon, and the "string of coincidences" is a nod to Indiana Jones (the movie were Indy literally had no impact whatsoever).
I felt at the start, it was a bit nit-picky but as it went on, I felt it was justified.
I’d argue they’re part of the fun of a movie like this, but there are WAY dumber complaints about this trilogy as is so I’m going to pick my battles.
@@LinkMarioSamus That's right woke moralist!! We'll see whom cancels whome!
criticising force awakens's coincidences is 100% valid. Generally you're allowed to have a couple coincidences as your inciting event to get the ball rolling, and every major coincidence from then on is a problem. That's not to say that having 1 big coincidence after the beginning automatically makes it bad, it depends on how big of a coincidence, how important it is to the story and how many of them you have. But TFA has so many coincidences that are literally astronomically unlikely, you probably only touched on half of them. You can have a lot of these plot points without them being huge coincidences, it just takes time and effort to fit all the pieces together in the writing room
That was a extremely accurate description of the movies plot and why the events of the movie happened. He deserves an A+ IMO.
Question: Have you ever wondered that there are a team of writers out there(who are big fans of you), working on the ultimate bulletproof script, hoping that the movie doesn't appear on one of your episodes?
You seriously rock, dude. Every single video you've made has always made me laugh.
Honestly, as a viewer, if there were actual writers focused on avoiding the Pitch Meeting, I can only think that would make MY viewing experience oh so much better!
@@trumpetbob15 Right?! I agree with you on that one, bud.
I like to imagine that it's Ryan VS The Writers, and Ryan always prevails because it's "super easy, barely an inconvenience." Haha.
Yep. The re-hash was lame. It was a well-executed remake.
As an amateur writer, I try. I'd like to think I'm successful.
It’s not a team, but one guy - Michael McDoesntexist
I love that the calling Rey “Raymond” at first is only to make the silly “Everybody Loves Raymond” joke. That’s the sort of high quality writing that made me follow this series!
That as well as pointing out how silly it is to give girls a boys name especially when most of its fans are in the country that is making the film.
Such as....
Michael Burnam from STD
Or..
A former president calling his "wife" Michael all the time instead of Michelle.
;))
The thing about plot conveniences like in the "happens" section is that even the best movies have one or two small ones. That's not a bad thing. It becomes a problem when there's several dozen of them. When the majority of the plot can be described as "so the movie can happen", that's a sign that the whole movie has kinda become one giant excuse for itself.
So anyway I bet you can't make a pitch meeting of Matilda because it's too good.
exactly, movies can only be so long and the visual medium cannot do character thoughts, expo dumps the way books can, so a couple of plot conveniences are okay but it can't just be a never ending sequence of plot convenience after plot convenience like these star wars sequels
Hi Friend. I'd love to see him do a pitch meeting of Matilda, but he's said before that not all movies can be Pitched...there have to be things to make fun of in his wonderfully Canadian way, and there are just movies that are really good and don't have a lot of places of which one can make jest.
Most stories have several "plot contrivances", but when writing and production is good you become immersed enough to not notice them. Christopher Nolan is very good at this.
Subsequently, if your big takeaway from a story is that it's contrived, chances are the people who produced that story failed big somewhere.
@@sfurules Oh for sure, that's why I said I bet he can't. There's virtually nothing wrong with it to make fun of; it would make for a pretty terrible pitch meeting.
As someone who watches pitch meetings upside down, it feels good to finally be appreciated!
Have an upside-down thumps-up! 👎
@@prifax1995 😄 Edit: Sorry, I meant 🙃
This pitch meeting aged perfectly, good job.
I don’t watch Marvel shows... but i watch the pitch meetings! Thanks for taking many for the team.
Star Wars aint Marvel
@@casualcookin3893 Same difference.
It's all Disney.
Ryan, your pitch meetings STILL hold up. We enjoy the humor, but the insight and discernment is what is most compelling for me. Anybody can criticize a movie, but your funny vids work because they're true!
As a Muay Thai practitioner, I sincerely hoped that the TIE Fighter Ryan was drawing would be a photo realistic Thai fighter, but I will still accept the necktie fighter we got instead.
Sorry sir but you need to go back to joke school
As a Mooee Thigh bagger, I was hoping you would answer me as to why my box smells like trash in the bee room every time post taco bell triple stuffed burrito night boy?
@jennyanydots2389 You may want to consult a medical professional about this matter, my friend.
@@TheElbowMerchant Makin' jokes at the expense of a gurlz box ain't right boy. A real man would apologize to me right now, but, we both know you won't, BOY!!!
@@jennyanydots2389 I apologize for replying to your comment about the smell of your box. I am, however, incredibly grateful for the laugh. And not personally having to have the olfactory experience related to said box.
That's one of if not the absolute most accurate depiction of a tie fighter I've ever seen anywhere. The world is better now for it. Thank you Ryan, ten thousand times, thank you.
Watched for the movie savaging, and stayed for the drawing. Commentary for the laugh it brought.
Agreed. Nice Tie fighter.
I came for the tie fighter comments....
Love it!!
I thought I would get sick of the catchphrases, but after years of watching pitch meetings they still make me laugh. No one can say "it's super easy" in our house without some else saying "barely an inconvenience". Its like you just can't not say it. Love your work!
Oh, really?!
I love how your whole family's in on it, nice!
It's barely an inconvenience for them you could say
Having a family that references Pitch Meeting is tight.
@@Calvinosaur I see what you did there wow wow wow wow.... ..wow
In a world that's falling down all around us, we still have Ryan. He's like the violinists on the Titanic
Lmao
The world is falling up, for some of his fans. The _Upsidons_ just don't get enough recognition.
8:11
"That glass of milk that they give to the guests, that would be too spicy for me"
LMAO, that was one of the funniest lines I've heard Ryan say. I follow his other channels... That line was gold!
That Ray Romano joke is fantastic I agree
I’m pretty sure this was my very first pitch meeting. Man…time always gets away doesn’t it.
mine too!
I dojt know what the first PM is i watched but it was most likely a star wars or MCU
Bury the past, kill it if you have to.
Mine was Cats 😂
My first Pitch Meeting was Coraline, and, to be honest, the only reason I still watch them is because I keep hoping to see another one as good as that one.
NO!! It was NOT a bit harsh! It was spot on! Well done then, and more so now! This is one of the many things that you do that make your pitch meetings so enjoyable! Thanks, and keep them coming!
The delivery feels so different in this one. I feel like you can really see how your process has changed over the years.
Aww Ryan called himself a "little youtuber"... so humble... The appreciation for your can be seen across this vast tube-verse, good sir
Teen Ryan is so fresh-faced and adorable. He has no idea how many terrible movies await him.
It’s funny how Ryan still watches marvel shows only so he can keep making pitch meetings for them and I only watch marvel shows just so I can then watch the pitch meeting for them
I don't even watch the show lol
@@souptime821 true
The Pitch Meetings are great without them, save yourself the time
Pitch meetings and honest trailers are the only way i consume most things from disney
He happens to watch them so the pitch meeting can happen.
You have grown so much since this video. Your humor and personalities for the two characters have grown tenfold.
Ya. It seemed like both characters were the same person. 🤔 And by that, I mean they acted the same. In the newer ones, they each have a much different personality. 😀🤨
Nah, the old ones were so much better. The new ones are a little too over the top.
@@theMLBfan To me it seems like the old ones, he's just reading a teleprompter. The new ones he's acting as a character. Maybe somewhat over the top, but it is for comedy effect.
You really nailed the SW 'reboot/just tell the same story' aspect of it. Not to mention the multiple deus ex machina coincidences littered throughout the movie.
I never miss a pitch meeting. You are quite possibly my favorite TH-camr and comedian.
Most of the similarities are hardly endemic to Star Wars though. Admittedly I didn’t get the hype for the original trilogy until 2018 so maybe not the best to say.
Just once, I want a Pitch Meeting where an "I'm gonna need you to get all the way off my back about that," is immediately responded with, "No... No I don't think I will."
Or a "Hey, shut up" followed by an immediate, interrupting "No!" from the producer guy.
The 'character arc' line was so on point hahaha
Absolutely loved the coincidences compilation. Putting these next to each other is the best summary of the unquestionable silliness of that movie
As an Australian i feel very recognised by u shouting out you’re upside down viewers😂 ty🙌👏 but seriously plz keep making these videos, they make my day
I honestly watch alot of your pitch meetings instead on the shows. You are doing us all a great community service sir. We appreciate your selfless act.
It was pretty fantastic. The coincidence thing was genius. It had me rolling so hard. Omg, you went off in that section. I can’t disagree with you either. That’s what made it so funny. That video still holds up. Love your channel.
My favorite part of these Revisits is seeing the growth of the characters and Ryan's skills.
I never fully appreciated how much Ryan is taking one on the chin for the rest of us by continuing to watch Marvel products. Thank you for your sacrifice.
This was my first pitch meeting and then I was forever hooked!
I've never seen a _Star Wars_ movie, so thank you for explaining what happens without telling me how it happened so you don't spoil it for whenever I happen to not see it.
You have definitely gotten much better over time. Watching an old video like this then a new one right after you can definitely tell a difference. You are awesome 👍
You're kind of the only channel I have notifications turned on for and it's always the typical "babe stop what you're doing, ryan and george have a new video up" kinda situation.
Wow wow wow...wow
My favorite duo, Producer Guy ("Ryan") and Screenwriter Guy ("George")
Same. No other channel do I watch their videos immediately
Man I miss this producer guy. The more serious vibe gives the stupid decisions more comedy.
Also his "I'm listening" is an underrated response.
💯
As an upside down viewer, I appreciate the shout-out.
The "happens" joke is earned. There's an old writing saying that coincidences that get characters into trouble are good, coincidences that get them out of trouble are bad.
You can get away with a couple of lucky coincidences if the rest of the movie is solidly written, but Force Awakens felt really lazy, especially when you combine all those coincidences with the constant retread of the first Star Wars plot.
I love the Pitch Meeting vids.
They help me decide which movies to never waste my time with! 👍
The whole hot ones bit was amazing and “that glass of milk was too spicy for me” is maybe my favorite joke ever. Died at it.
One of your best. Ray Romano and BB8 are killer. Ever thought of doing a flashback pitch meeting, like to earlier versions of the characters. Might be fun.
You work so hard on these videos!
I think a good comic has to relate to the audience more than have great one - liners.
We all are having it tough these days, and your work definitely cuts down on the confusion we all feel , but do not express when we watch these movies.
Thank You!
And your catch phrases are hilarious! Please do a pitch meeting about some of the 90’s crap movies like “ Stuart Little” and other mind - numbing feely films.
IM SO GLAD YOU STARTED MAKING THESE REVISIT VIDEOS!! LOVE YOUUUUUr videos, thanks!!
You´re a freaking genius man! I´m from Brazil and so happen to have american relatives and so happen to have studied english and so happen to know what you´re talking about and so happen to laugh at your humor and the way you present reality to us all.
In retrospect of whether it holds up: I was a super fan of the franchise and probably would have been frustrated with your take at the time, but, you know, your TFA video and the line “you forgot to pay that off, didn’t you” pretty much sums up why you were right all along
Somehow after I watched Alias and Lost and Star Trek 2009 I still believed that JJ Abrams had a plan
Dang, Ryan has changed how he does pitch meetings quite a bit since he did this one!
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Hey Ryan, question: Is it difficult to watch a movie in American English and then translate it into Canadianese, then re-translate the Picth Meeting script back into English for TH-cam? Also, I hope your crops are doing well this year, its been a rough season.
6:20 The first 1 or 2 contrivances to get the plot rolling are fine, as two unlikely things happening / meeting is the natural starting point of any story. But after that, as events should make sense in-universe, any more contrivances need to have proper setup and development.
Your tie fighter drawing far exceeded my expectations. Bravo sir.
Love your pitch meetings and personal channel! My question: have you ever faced unexpected audience backlash from a pitch meeting? If so, which/how?
The thought of ray romano face on rey would make it actually worth watching, especially if they make it his voice
I like the newer tone where the producer and writer are manically happy and pleased with themselves
i'm sorry, i find it hilarious that ryan basically just rerunning old videos and giving input on them, telling us production secrets, and revealing how he's grown as time goes on is still miles more entertaining than the whole of screenrants catalogue of video's
I'm in that age group these old stars are now part of, and it's terrific for me in one particular way. As in, it had just occurred to me while watching this video that I didn't recall watching it beforehand.
Hey, that's terrific I thought, now I can watch this Pitch Meeting over and over again, and all I have to do is wait a few months' time and it's brand new again.
I think any one of those plot contrivances would merit its own “so the movie can happen” side joke, so the way to maximize their funniness and not waste any is to rattle them off like you did.
“Rey just happens to…” is probably the most said thing in that writers’ room
Somehow Palpatine returned.
He just happened to feel like being alive again, he decided.
For movies that are still in the cinema only. Do you watch it multiple times or bring a notebook to fill up while watching?
Or maybe records the audio with his phone, so he can play back the dialogue later. 🤔
Loved the tie fighter haha
Your video is way better than the actual film. Keep it up.
Woah why was it so real to hear him answer the questions so candidly
I love your videos Ryan, they are witty and the jokes are not cheap, they are actually well thought through and deserved 🎉 why don’t you do pitch meetings for older movies
Hallo Ryan, the question I'm most curious about is how your voice transformation came along, in old pitch meetings you talk in a much more normal way which I assume is closer to your actual voice, but over the years it gradually became the happy dopey cartoonish voice that we now know and love, what was your thought process behind that?
Actually the dopey cartoonish voice is his normal voice, he was just toning it down for us
@@Grasslander now I'm just imagining Ryan in normal life situations talking like that lol, gets pulled over by a cop, "Soo you have a ticket for mee?"
Yes, yes, yes…! The joke is still approved. Sure, there has to always be a couple of coincidences, but it got completely ridiculous in most of the blockbuster movies recently. Rey having an arc that is pretty much a straight upward line is my favorite joke in the whole thing. You couldn’t describe her character line any more perfectly. She starts out great and goes straight to super awesome perfection.
Regarding superhero fatigue... I too, suffer from it. The only reason I continue watching some shows - besides being already invested, is so I can enjoy the pitch meeting! It makes my suffering a whole lot more worthwhile. So, thank you Ryan!
Never, ever cringe at what you have done in the past Ryan. They are not cringe they are the scars of learning. I'm a huge fan, I love your work. keep feeding me :D
You’ve already talked about actor guests in a previous Q&A but have you ever considered having actual producers/screenwriters as a cameo or reacting to their pitch meeting ? (I know you’ve had private conversations with some of them and WE ARE DYING TO KNOW WHAT THEY THINK). Merci, bisous.
The Stormtroopers bit... one of the best written, best delivered things you've ever done! Fk'n amazing stuff.
Also, the Joey Fatone thing absolutely killed me! Well done!
Hi Ryan. I absolutely love your videos. You make me laugh all the time so thank you. I have two questions for you.
Question 1: When doing pitch’s for book adaptations, do you ever read the books in order to gain a greater understanding of the story?
Question 2: a couple of years ago, a TH-camr called the Nostalgia Critic did a parody of your pitch meetings in his review of Alien 3. I was wondering if you had seen his parody and if so, what you thought of it.
Critic spoofed Ryan? I want to see it, but his videos are so long...I'm sorry, but I refuse to watch a review as long as the movie.
@@pianotm it’s only like the first three minutes.
8:20 "Tie Fighter" LOOOOL
Love your pitch meetings Ryan! "So the movie can happen" is often the reason behind the plots of the average movie now.
Once is fine; it's kind of like the old adage that science fiction should never have more than one 'impossible' technology; _maybe_ two if your FTL drive can do nothing beyond moving things between stars. This is because it's hard to have a comprehensible plot when it's hard to wrap your mind around what characters can do; it's both more difficult for the author to create the plot and for the audience to follow it.
Love your videos Ryan! To the viewers they all live up to the time you put them out. It kind of puts us back to the time the movie was put out.
I'd love to see a Pitch Meeting for Speed Racer. Or perhaps The Addams Family movies with Raul Julia and Angelica Huston
Or oh my god Street Fighter.
@@Mopark25 it just needs 2 words... Stealth Boat
There's no flaw with Speed Racer. That movie is perfect in every way. It's a movie that's bad upon first viewing, but as time passes, you realize it's ludicrously perfection. 😂😂
Question: Has there ever been a time when you did a pitch meeting and the writer of that movie (or someone who worked on it) contacted you or mentioned the pitch meeting? Love the videos always looking forward to new ones
I'd love to know the answer to this one lol
Question: Are there movies that you should have done a pitch meeting for, but couldn't because the movie was actually pretty good?... or is there a really good movie you want to do a pitch meeting but instead of bad ideas is a bunch of good ideas. (example Puss in Boots was a really well written movie but it doesn't have a pitch meeting).
He's done pitch meetings for good movies before
@@SeraphsWitness probably, like which one?...
but i wonder if there is one in particular he couldn't do because there wasn't too many flaws to make fun of...
He did the original Jurassic Park, for one.
There aren't any movies that are so flawless they can't be made fun of. Because it's not just flaws you make fun of. @@casusolivas
Good movie with a pitch meeting: Spiderverse
Good movie without a pitch meeting: Dune
I have this strange feeling that Ryan loved Dune too much to write a pitch meeting for it, but no confirmation yet.
@@schwa6275 ah yes spiderverse is a good example of a good movie with pitch meeting…
I think Dune still have something to make fun of tho
Would you please please please please do a pitch meeting for either the Scream ‘requel’ or the newest ‘requel sequel?’ Those movies deserve it so hard. Thanks for existing and giving us pitch meetings btw. It’s something I look forward to every week of my life.
Loved seeing this and how pitch meeting has evolved over the years. Much more sharp these days......for my best effort in coming up with a better word.
You are a legend mate. love it.
The Force Awakens, to me, was what I considered, back then, "a good start". To me, it showed that it would be closer to the OT, much less like the prequels. Yes, it was blatantly copying A New Hope, and I assume that was on purpose. But then, the Ryan nation attacked.
I imagine the backlash from the "Disney took no risks, they played it too safe" crowd made Disney try to course correct, and in their panic they definitely oversteered. "Now it's too different, doesn't feel like Star Wars anymore". Another oversteer in the other direction, "Look! Here's Palpatine!! And, huh... Sith/Jedi stuff! That's Star Wars right?". And now Star Wars is in this sad state, Disney is desperately trying to revive it, the heart beats once in a while but it's definitely flatlining.
5:51 Jurassic World already did that, with the "hey, remember her from Jurassic Park" T-Rex. Oh yeah, and the last one has the old cast, hasn't it?
5:40 I am laughing my ass off on a day I didn’t think was possible. Thanks Ryan!
Can you please do a "cowboys & aliens" pitch meeting. The one with Daniel Craig😅
At least that movie delivers what it promises
I’m totally with you there on the “Coincidences” because now that I think about it, instead of watching the movie, my head Really hurts. 😵💫
Thank you Ryan for doing the hard work of watching Marvel shows so people like me who have given up on them (except Loki) can "watch" them on your channel.
I loved when Rey happened to happen all over the galaxy and happened to win.
You were abso-fucking-lutely not too hard on them for all easy writing.
Its not hard to have all your plot points just so happen to line up with plot convenience.
Which is what defines the Disney SW.
Hey Ryan, what inspired the super easy barely an inconvenience punch lines and all your other punch lines? Thanks!
I think he answers this question in a previous revisit.
Oh, I know, it was inspired because it is a PERFECT line and he is awesome.
I actually thought the "which happens to..." joke was the best part of that, because it's so true. I think you would deliver that joke better in a current video but I think it was pretty hilarious, especially because it just keeps going and going lol!
the message you gave at the end of this video about your journey was just the message i needed to hear today. thank you dude. you and your content is so awesome.