@@AK_Ray Transmission = Eco mode = 20.5 highway@70mph on New England hilly interstates. Transmission=Normal Mode = 18-19mpg on mixed around-town driving. Transmission=Tow/Haul mode with 3500#'s= 16mpg on mixed around-town driving. Haven't tried Sport Mode yet but this V8 accelerates faster(Normal Mode) than the 1968 Pontiac GTO I owned many years ago and, it "growls" like the old GTO too. It also gets way better gas mileage too! My 2024 still has less than 2,000 miles.
I sell these and love them. The current line of Ford stuff converted me from GM to Ford. Depending on what the truck is used for and the buyer all the current offerings are great and Ford has made a lot of improvements to all of these engines for durability. If you want inexpensive economy the 2.7 ecoboost is really good standard equipment and still has great power for what it is. The 3.5 powerboosts is the best mpg option and the powerboost will also power your house and construction site while being the fastest of all the F-150s with the exception of the Raptor R in stock form. The 3.5 will give you the best power and tow rating if you plan on keeping the truck stock. The coyote 5.0 is the best option if you want simplicity with a great v8 sound or if you want something to modify. Many dealerships now offer a supercharger option for the 5.0 that will give you over 700hp and still have a warrantee. There is no other V8 truck currently sold that can compare to the coyote 5.0 and how easy they are to modify and actually hold up to it. Ram was getting close and then killed off their v8s and alienated their entire customer base and Toyota did the same. GMs keep chewing up their cams and lifters and exploding their transmissions and front axles when modified. There will always be brand loyalists that refuse to face facts, and I understand because I was one myself, but it is what it is. Ford deserves the #1 rating they have for trucks. Especially right now.
I agree and I've been loyal to GM for years but haven't been liking the direction they have been going recently especially since Mary Barra has taken over. Nissan Titan is on its way out and between the other four trucks I would take a Ford at this point.
I'm at 174k on my 2015 f150 platinum with the 3.5 EB. Love that engine! Only issues I've had since purchasing it @ 132k miles has been the throttle body, both valve cover gaskets and the oil pump thing on the back of the passenger side head.
@@robertespinoza2740idk everyone I heard said eco boost are good some small amount had issues in the first gens with cams phasers or water pump but that’s about it
I just got the 2024 f150 crew cab 4x4 5.0 w/3.73 gears. With a level kit, 34 inch tires, s&b cold air intake, and roush cat-back exhaust...its a dream. 18.5mpg city and 20 hwy
I’ll be interested to see the next comparison to the 3.73’s too. You’re really doing a lot more real world testing than most channels and I’m loving it!
I'd like to see the 5.0 w/ the 3.73 gears too. I don't see a reason to be in a F150 w/ the 5.0 w/ anything less if you're going to tow any weight. Jet skis need not apply.
@@GettysGarage- speaking of which, you said both trucks have the 3.31 gears, but when you referenced the Towing chart and you said they can tow 13k pounds that number was with the 3.73 Gears Only!! I’m not sure if you caught that or Not. But that jumped out at me. 🤷🏻♂️
my first f150 was an 18 3.5 ecoboost. i loved that engine, had gobs of power and towed great, i traded it for a 23 5.0 3.73 and its hard to decide which i like better but the 5.0 sounds awesome
I drive a 21 powerboost and the power is insane. 5.0 are great engines but stock it’s just so dramatic compared to my powerboost hybrid. 570 LbFt and standard 3.73 gears is nothing to mess with. Over 20 mpg regularly and 7.2kw generator. Only question I have is for the long term.
2.7 fan here. Have a '16 2wd scab, tow 24' rv gcvw 12,500 Eastern Pa terrain with 3.31 axle. Engine is a monster. You would have to drive it to believe it. On the flat and keeping speed under 60mph gets 9 + mpg. I love it!
I was back and forth between the ecoboost and the 5.0 before I settled on a 2019 ecoboost. Coming from a toyota v8 which is a healthy engine, to the ecoboost is night and day, especially since I live in the mountains. To me, ill take that little bit of fuel loss(and it is only a little bit) for all that low end torque while going up mountains, especially at higher elevations. The 2nd gen ecoboost has a few minor kinks but overall very reliable. The 5.0 is great but also has its kinks with oil consumption on alot of them and cracked manifold bolts. Nothing is perfect, they're all machines that break at times and for me im loving turbo spools over rpms.
@@joshfrey9336 not so much the block, but the cam phaser and timing chain issue. Really, and most mechanics would agree, it’s too much hp for the overall size of the engine, which limits the engines longevity. I’m not saying the 3.5 is a lemon, but it does tend to have a shorter life span than the 5.0 Coyote.
Just bought my 3rd truck with an ecoboost. All 3, 3.5l! All have performed flawlessly! Tuning the 3.5l is insane! I tuned mine for fuel efficiency. Empty and no trailer I have gotten 29 mpg! Driving properly, around 65-67mph. Waiting for the tune for my 2024 lariat 3.5l! ??
I just bought a 2024 lariat, can’t find a tune for it yet. But my previous 3 all had tunes from 5star tuning. Around 700$ but the shifting and performance increased dramatically! Downside is you have to use top tier gas. But if you’re driving empty and conservative you can get 28-29mpg with the 3.5l ecoboost.
The new entry logo looks awesome. I've been looking forward to this for a while, great video. Now you have me even more worked up for next week with the 3.73s!
Where is the 2.7 towing video? I have a 22 2.7 and pulled a 25’ 6k lb travel trailer for 500 miles this spring. I was very impressed with the 2.7 it never felt underpowered. With mostly flat terrain, nasty crosswinds, and a mountain pass gaining 4k feet of elevation i averaged 9.1 mpg for the trip.
My 3.5 EB F150 has been amazing, I know some like all the noise from a V8 but I prefer smooth quiet power. I love the low rpm torque of the 3.5 it's why I fell in love with diesel trucks of the past, this is the new diesel performance bar of days gone past (before the EPA ruined them). Great for towing and when not towing the efficiency is fantastic. It's either Eco or Power - I like having the option on hand for what I need at the moment.
You’re going to be blown away by the 5.0 and 3.73s. I have a 2017 with the 6 speed and it not downshifting on overpasses is awesome. I actually had 3.73s installed from the not so good 3.31s and it lit this truck up it’s actually quick. I’m sure the 10 speed is crazy quick
Just bought the 3.5l 2023 two months ago. Just love it. Towing for the first time. Will come back and give my impressions. I have had a few f-150’s a dodge 1500 and a Chevy and one f-250.
I just got a coolant flush done in my 2020 raptor with 98k miles. Now it runs super hot. I hit 235F unloaded on the highway and it was running 240F+ running essentially flat with my 4200lb boat. Before the flush my truck would only hit 228F towing my 4200lb trailer on long or steep inclines above 60mph. I hope the dealer can make this right.
Similiar thing happened to my 17 3.5. Thermostat was sticking, replaced and flushed and phaser work done and ran hot towing after that. Dealer told me it was "normal" like I hadnt owned the same truck and trailer for the last 7 years....
There’s something magical about the coyote V-8 that the numbers on paper don’t quite reflect. Yes it revs higher and doesn’t have torque numbers as good as the ecoboost, but the sounds it makes while pulling steep grades with a trailer are intoxicating, and 22% better fuel efficiency when towing is a HUGE difference!
I have a 22 with the 5.0 and 3.31 gears. I tow a travel trailer that is almost 9,000 lbs to Florida and back (1,500 miles each way) every year. I have towed the trailer over 4,000 miles total and have averaged 9.7 mpg. I stay in tow/haul mode when I'm not on the interstates but have found that towing in normal mode on interstates increases fuel economy by a lot. I also rarely go over 65 and if it starts getting hilly I put it back into tow/haul mode. I've tried different octane fuel but that didn't seem to make enough of a difference to warrant the additional cost. I work out of my truck and even when I'm not towing, I have at least 600 lbs of tools in the back (Decked system) and still average 17 - 19 mpg daily driving. I have nothing against the ecoboost engines, my previous F150 had the 2.7 and I loved it for what I was using it for, but for longevity I decided to go with the 5.0.
For me, the reliability and ease of maintenance, I'll stick with the 5.0. No expensive turbos for me. 3.31 gears is great for towing but fuel economy it is fine. Id go 3.55 or 3.73 for towing with V8.
@@petergalvez6431 no you haven't. I been driving and racing turbos since the 90s. So they wear, yes. Is it a huge failure point like V8 lovers pretend? No. Turbo your coyote so you can see and then be really fast.
@@randyschmidt19 oh really? So I don’t work at a ford dealer and haven’t seen 100s of turbos on ecoboosts fail? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 stop being ignorant. Maybe do a google search
@@randyschmidt19 btw I’ve had turbo vehicles since the late 90s. The factory turbos nowadays are garbage. Btw I do have a twin turbo kit ready to go on for my coyote
I have never been a Ford fan at all! But the Raptor made me take a look. I now own a 3.5 Raptor and trust me the power and especially the low end tq blows 98% of v8s out of the water! It even makes the gm 6.2 feel weak and im a chevy fan!
I have a 2011 SCREW 4x4 3.5l Ecoboost with 175k miles and it still performs great. It tows like a diesel, even being 13 years old with a 6 speed it tows 10k+ no problem.
Tbh when the Ecoboost came out I thought it was gimmick and well as you said 13 years later - looks like ford got the last laugh. It isn't a perfect engine and has flaws but overall an absolute Home Run for ford. Very solid engine.
@@GettysGarage agreed. I think they’re standing up to the test of time fairly well. Obviously you’ll have some upkeep with the turbos, timing components since it’s an OHC motor, and the usual stuff like water pumps etc etc, but you never really here about these motors outright failing.
As would I. I think it would be an interesting comparison. I think the ecoboost will have the top end power but I think the duramax would feel much happier under load.
Would be a lot slower compared to these two, might get some better mpg in certain conditions. Ford is now using that engine in some markets as a Ranger option.
We need to talk about the new update to the 5.0 that has an updated oil pump with a wet oil soaked drive belt that will fail early. Im a Coyote fan, but as a mechanic, I definitely will not suggest buying a newer Ford. My 2016 F150 N/A 5.0 Coyote 2wd 6R80 will last me. Fuel economy is insignificant compared to long-term ownership / maintenance costs.
My 2016 f150 with the 3.5 towing 10000pound travel trailer did 23 to 30l/100 depending on wind. It never went over 30. Best was 23 on 500km trip. 38 to 40 seems high. My 6.7 power stroke pulls the same trailer at 21 to 23 l/100
Regarding the gearing, I think it all depends on how much time you'll be spending towing or towing heavy. I have a '15 5.0 w/ 3.31s and it's still fine towing upwards of 5-6k. Towing an 8k toy hauler it was still fine but needed inputs to be a bit more purposeful (ie manually shifting). The new 10-speed makes it less of an issue with how tight those first 5-6 ratios are though.
I would take the v8 over the twin turbo v6. The v8 might be more reliable over the years. Good test Alex. Would like to know how it tows in the Summer in the Southern US with high temps and humidity. I know you're in Canada with the plaid shirt, lol.... Can't wait for the next fricking video.
I had a 2015 f150 3.5 eco 3:31 rear & a 2020 5l 3.73 rear . I tow a 7400# travel trailer. Empty I’d say they’re pretty darn close to the same other than the exhaust tone. Loaded they were darn close on the flats. But any hill or long pulls up hills the eco did a better job. The turbos kick in and away we go! Mpg’s were pretty much the same. I averaged 10.3 mpg towing up & down hills. I never got as low as you did even in a strong head wind.
I don't tow much. I have the 3:73 in my Tremor. I got the Coyote partially because I could get the truck sooner, but I've been happy so far (and I get better combined mpg than those I know with the 3.5).
First Generation 3.5 EB here. So, I have a 2013 SCREW King Ranch- I have owned other -150 as well as Silverado- I prefer the drivability on the Chevrolet by a little bit-Not great over washboard or rough surface- But most of the time it's on center steering is very sorted and has a predictable and planted drive for better overall handling, that said I like both of them. The Ford will take the weight and pull stronger than any other truck imo. I of course took my KR to Livernois Motorsports for a Tune-WOW they know what they're doing! I love the 5.0, but since we are talking towing- The Eco Boost is just plain happy towing and it's just always surprising to me how much torque is available. The truck towed great stock-But more is always better and $500 tuner turned it up significantly- Very noticeable difference just a great towing truck! I use 93 performance tune some of the time- I love it. The truck looks great and has very comfortable interior especially the seats! My issue with this F-150 and the other ones that I have owned is the wander in the steering and disconnected overall feel of the truck. It's not good on a washboard or rough road and the on-center steering is awful- After a day of driving I am exhausted from all the steering corrections and just work that it is to drive. I know this is not a Ford /Chevy comparison-but I like to share what I know and hope everyone else feels free to do so also. Anyway, the Chevy had a 5.3 great motor but not as powerful as the 3.5 EB- Strains on long grades and runs over 4k RPM some too- also the suspension was not a heavy built as ford- But even then, it was easier to steer and handled better under load or not. The Chevy is easier to live with on a daily- but if you're going to be towing heavy a 24ft Boat with all the gear and fuel etc like I do or Horse trailer, construction I would get the EB for sure!
I had a 2019 Ecoboost that ended up needing the cam phaser TSB. I'm glad it was covered under warranty because the dealership had to replace the phasers along with the camshafts. I now own a 2020 5.0 and am much happier with the Coyote engine. It just feels more refined in a much simpler package. I'm mostly unconcerned about any out of warranty repairs since the V8 is cheaper, less complicated and more common. I put the 5-Star 87 octane performance tune on it and can't overstate the driveability improvement that made - ultra smooth shifting and the truck feels so much lighter on its feet.
@@302Mustang13 you CLEARLY haven’t used the 87 tune. The smoothness in the transmission on the 87 perf tune by itself is worth it. Since I don’t dog my truck out on a regular basis, but do appreciate improved fuel mileage, better transmission management/shift points and don’t want to spend $4+ per gallon for premium to eek out a few more horses, an 87 tune makes way more sense than a 93 tune. And I’m sure you know the saying about opinions…
@@grenobel Got respect for 5star but just not a fan of any 87 performance tune. I get it though and forget that the F-150 doesn't even recommend premium unless towing. Hopefully you at least have a 91 or 93 tune onboard in case you want/need it. I have a 5.0 Mustang and not only is it tuned, but I haven't run less than 91 ever, even before tuned. In my case, I didn't buy the car to cheap out on fuel and risk detonation the way I drive it.
@@302Mustang13 - if I were driving a mustang, we would be in total agreement. That's a performance car whereas the F150 is perfectly happy on lower octane to do most truck duties. I do have 5 other tunes including the 93 and e85 performance tunes because they were only +$10 each over the initial tune - just in case Trump comes back and fuel prices get back to normal. 😁 I haven't (yet) used the higher octane performance tunes though. Maybe I'm just too cheap and poor for any street racing tickets... I do run the 93 tow/perf tune when I'm pulling my RV, but even then it's still just doing truck things instead of performance things.
@@grenobel I concur with all. I've been saying I'll gladly pay $20 a gallon this summer and fall if it helps getting rid of that evil administration. He's been anti oil but now seems to have softened up cause he knows it could cost him. I'm hoping for oil to go up. Pain temporarily surely beats the pain I'll deal with the next 20-30 years
You don't get both at the same time. If you are not towing and babying it you get the eco. If you tap into the boost then you get the power but lose the mileage.
I bought a low mileage 13 cclb 4x4 w/ a Gen 1 5.0 2 years ago and love it. 3.55s imo are the best overall if you're not hooked to a trailer every single day. I tow a lot of cars and other trailers and it handles very well for what it is and most importantly gets reasonable fuel mileage towing and great mileage cruising unloaded, sounds amazing with a Carven R muffler and is NA V8 simple and reliable. doesn't get better than that.
The EcoBoost with the tow package is a substantial vehicle. I have pulled some very heavy trailers with my EcoBoost 2013 f150. The truck can easily handle 14,000 lbs. Has a lot of torque add a lot of low-end power .
Good review though wish you xould have redone the 3.5 again in the better weather. My current p/u is a 3.5 after having many other Ford V8s and diesel. For my needs today, that 3.5 does more then I'll ever need though the last was a 6.7 diesel F350CCLB that did the same fuel mileage as the 3.5. The one I don't miss is the 6.8 V10 with the small gas tank that was good for 6-7mpg hauling a 12K 5th wheel, 12-13 without
Love my 2023 SuperCrew XL with the 5.0 and 3.31 gears. I am SO glad I didn't wait until the 2024 redesign. The trim levels got restructured which means you cant get buckets and a console in the XL anymore. Now you have to step up to the new STX trim which costs a few thousand more and forces you into larger wheels. The 17's give you more sidewall.
Can you clarify? You said both trucks have a 3.31 rear end, but when you showed the max towing chart, you highlighted 13k pounds max towing. However, that’s for the 3.73 gearing - the 3.31 looked like it had a max tow rating of 9400 pounds.
Good video. I like the comparison and how you are testing the trucks. By the way, your thumbnail has then instead of than. Sorry, but that's one of my pet peeves. 😉
Great video sir. Even though i have a 22 Powerboost i have been looking to trade on a 21 or 22 XLT mid with 3.5 and the extremely hard to find Heavy Duty Payload Package or HDPP. I want to get a slide in pop up and folks who have the HDPP have about 2500 pounds of payload!!!!!
With that much payload you would honestly be better served by an F250 if you plan on keeping the slide in camper on your truck a majority of the time. I’ve seen in the forums many, many times people have started off with an F150 and eventually have had to step up due to the heavier truck platform being more stable. Yes an F150 can do it but you will be driving white knuckle most of the time. But the choice is ultimately yours to make.
I tow a 10k dump trailer almost every day with my 5.0 never a issue, powers fine, suspension is fine, getting 12-15mpg on 33in tires. Lot of highway miles. Only thing i really do complain about is that when im nearing 10,000lbs the brakes are definitely something to pay attention to but i think the brakes are the same through out the the whole line up. I may be wrong
Not sure what elevation you test at but another thing not everyone seems to factor in is the power loss at elevation that NA engines have. At 6,000ft that NA v8 will make ~70 less hp, whereass the turbo does not noticeably lose any power since it can force more air to compensate for thinner air. Something to consider for people that live or tow in high elevations.
2021 f150 4X4 crew cab 3.5 ecoboost. I’ve owned a bunch of trucks over the years (age 70). This is without question the best pickup truck I’ve ever driven. Tons of low end grunt, faster than a speeding bullet when you get on it, quiet, smooth running, i hardly ever feel the shift points from the 10 speed tranny, And, along with all those benefits i get superb gas mileage that no V-8 can touch over the long term - irregardless of what the theoretical data says. Albeit cleverly named, work that V-8 engine towing or struggling to climb highway grades at higher RPM and it will become an oil leaking, smoking, fuel hog that gets 12 to 15 mpg just like them all. There’s no comparison.
Interestingly, I have a '23 F-150 with the V8. I tow with at maximum (13k) and never dip below 9.x mpg. Normally 10 to 13mpg range. Perhaps it is wind drag on the trailer or altitude difference. I am located in North Texas which is pretty flat. It has been a awesome truck, so far.
That mileage is pathetic. My 2018 F150 3.5L EB gets over 11 mpg towing our 27 foot, 7500 lb. camper at 55-60 mph. At 70 to 75 mph, it still gets over 9 mpg.
I see that much variance on MPG's with me 3.5 eco and I pull a VERY similar trailer. Headwinds, temps, winter vs Summer Fuel make a big difference. It would have been good to see you towing the trailer on the same day with both truck to help take some factors out of the equation.
I got the 5.0 base XL 4x4 with the 6.5 bed, 3.73 rear. Never had a V8 so I figured I’d get one before the greenies outlaw them. Can't really comment on the 3.73, I don't tow and I've never driven the other F150's, so, seems ok to me... The only thing I can complain about is the jerkiness when coming to a stop from a cold start. It jerks shifting down to 3rd for some reason. I read some articles online that may point to the two piece drive shaft spline joint lube (or lack thereof) being the issue, but I don’t really know… the engine is awesome, can’t beat the V8 sound!
I had a choice and went with the 5.0. Once the warranty is over I’ll throw a supercharger on and make way more power way better sound and still way more reliable than the eco boost
Try towing with the Ecoboost with the to gears locked out and compare MPG to using all the gears. I suspect excessive boost is the underlying cause of the poor mpg.
Curious what your thoughts would be on if you would rather own the 3.0 duramax or the 5.0 f150 for a daily driver/tow truck towing about the same weight you are in this video?
Thats a tough call. I think both engines are solid options. I would lean more towards the 5L because there is no emissions to deal with. But you will get much better fuel economy with the 3L duramax so It's a little bit of a give and take. Over the long run if you were not planning on deleting the Duramax I would say the 5L is a better option.
Nice comparison, but I would just like to add that testing the 3.5l in 2 degrees C (35 F) and then testing the 5.0 in what looks like much warmer weather will definitely skew your mpg. I have a 2.7 in mine and it’s about 3-4 mpg difference cold weather to warm during regular driving.
I would love to see this test on the f250 and your opinion on where the line is on 250 vs 150 for towing. Great content for me since I tow a 9K enclosed trailer all the time with a F250 6.7 but not sure I would go that route again but float around with the 7.3 vs the rapidly increasing tow ratings on the F150. Luckily the 6.7 is still going strong so I can delay the whole decision.
The simple fact that you could take a base form of both of these engines and the 5.0 is just plain stronger then the 3.5. It’s capable of 800+ hp on stock bottom ends. Less problematic being a v8 na engine as well. Just my 2 pennies worth.
@GettyGarage do you have a video of that loop in the 5.0 with the 3.73 gearing? Was there a noticeable difference with the RPMs on the hills? Edit: and the end of the video played 30 seconds after I ask. LOL
You should do the ecoboost again in the same weather conditions. I'd bet it gets a little better fuel economy than it's first run, but I doubt it will beat the coyotes fuel economy.
If you are going to tow anything over 5K pounds you want the eco boost for sure. You’ll. Be happy you did especially up hills. They’ve made so many improvements and it is a very stout engine.
Back in 2021, I really wanted the F150 max tow package with the 3.5. All Max tow packages were in short supply, so the only thing i could get with an optioned up XLT was the Coyote engine with the 3.73 rear end. It wasnt quite what we wanted so we did a lease for 42 months and built the lease at 18,000 miles a year due to our projected driving habits with the truck. It has performed quite well when towing our flatbed trailer with hay and our tractors. The most we have on our 10K trailer is around 8K pounds. ( Yes, this includes the 2.5 K weight of the trailer) Pulling that on hilly roads, we are getting 9.9 mpg at 55 to 60 mile per hour which is probably in line with an enclosed trailer's 6.2 mpg performance on the open road. It has a lot of power, but it does have to work harder without those twin turbos. On the open road without towing, I can get 22 to 23.5 mpg on 10 ply tires. On the lame factory tires, you can get another 1 to 2 mpg. However, where we have our mini ranch, we need the beefier tires. I think both of these engines will do the job. It really depends on your use needs. Still haven't decided on what to buy or lease next. These two engines are on my list. My mechanic prefers the 5.0 because he feels there is less to go wrong versus any brand's turbo engines.
Unplug the start/stop under the dash by brake pedal, your engine will run better and mpg will increase 1.5 to 2.5 mpg! The 5.0 is the best by a wide margin.
This for a '23 stx also? Will have to look that plug up. If that switch ever fails-and it may never fail, that would be a pain. Have 3.15 rear end, get 24.1 mpg & 21,000 miles. Now & then put 4-6 ounces of Marvel Mystery oil in fuel tank, use non-ethanol as much as possible, 3000-4000 mile oil changes. Have a 3600# dry weight camper. If I ever have to evacuate, had the trailer brake controller installed, & weight distribution-anti sway hitch on camper. 2016 FX2 5L 3.55 pulled it very well. Hopefully STX will be fine. I drive 55 w/camper, live in flatland...except for overpasses & bridges lol.🤞🏻
I just sold my 2012 F150 with the 5.0 and it was bullet proof. The truck had 178,000 on it and it ran as good the day I sold it as the day I bought it new. I cant give a thumbs up or down on the 3.5 because I've never owned one. I've heard those engines have some issues but I tend not to believe much unless I've experienced it myself. The 3.5 is strong it seems and probably a good puller but I prefer a V8. The 5.0 I had gave me zero problems outside a leaky coolant tank and one hose. I wish Ford would have just took the 5.0 design and created a bigger V8 for the F250. I now have the 7.3 and it does well but so far I'm not a big fan of the 10 speed tranny for towing what I tow.
you get 500lb of tq at 2500rpm in the ecoboost but that also means being in boost. in general you dont want to be in boost once youre up to speed. since the ecoboost isnt downshifting its probably utilizing the turbos to keep your speed. which means youre putting wear on your turbos all of the time not just during acceleration.
14 years and running on the 3.5 boost💁🏻♂️, 5.0 if u do super charger, if not the sound, the 3.5 is very snappy, I was happy w my 2021, if I get another one, I’ll get the 5.0 for simplicity
Couldn’t care less about the sound. My 3.5 in my Tremor is doing great so far at 14000 miles. I chose it for more torque when pulling. I get 18mpg average not towing obviously. When I do tow I’m not concerned with getting a couple more mpg like the coyote gets. The power difference especially at very high elevations is worth it
I am biased as a 5.0 owner, but would not hesitate to get a 2.7 or 3.5 EB. The 3.5 would be a monster towing machine, but I would always be manually shifting to keep the rpm up since I've heard that even if it can tow at a low rpm, the boost pressure will cause temps to creep up since the water pump isnt spinning too quickly.
I have a 2020 3.5 and tow/haul mode does this for you. When in that mode with over 5k behind it it never shifts over 8th gear at least 2000 RPM minimum 👍🏻
@@TheMagnumChannel oh that’s pretty neat. Keeping it above 2k is great being that unloaded sometimes those transmissions like to skip shift down to like 1100 for fuel economy purposes.
@@ALMX5DP exactly! Unloaded in “eco” mode it will stay in high gear and provide boost to add power before down shifting but in tow/haul it keeps the RPMs up for you 👍🏻
I purchased a 2024 with the 5.0 and 3.73 and couldn’t be happier.
I did the same as well last month. Had a 2020 2.7 and was happy with it but missed the v8’s.
3.73's are the way to go with the 5L. great combo!
What mpg are you seeing?
18.1 average it says right now, highway driving longer distances I got it up to 22-23 babying it lol.
@@AK_Ray Transmission = Eco mode = 20.5 highway@70mph on New England hilly interstates.
Transmission=Normal Mode = 18-19mpg on mixed around-town driving.
Transmission=Tow/Haul mode with 3500#'s= 16mpg on mixed around-town driving.
Haven't tried Sport Mode yet but this V8 accelerates faster(Normal Mode) than the 1968 Pontiac GTO I owned many years ago and, it "growls" like the old GTO too. It also gets way better gas mileage too!
My 2024 still has less than 2,000 miles.
Ma son bought a 5 liter with 3.73 gears yesterday because of your channel
Thank you so much
well he got himself a great combo!
I sell these and love them.
The current line of Ford stuff converted me from GM to Ford.
Depending on what the truck is used for and the buyer all the current offerings are great and Ford has made a lot of improvements to all of these engines for durability.
If you want inexpensive economy the 2.7 ecoboost is really good standard equipment and still has great power for what it is.
The 3.5 powerboosts is the best mpg option and the powerboost will also power your house and construction site while being the fastest of all the F-150s with the exception of the Raptor R in stock form.
The 3.5 will give you the best power and tow rating if you plan on keeping the truck stock.
The coyote 5.0 is the best option if you want simplicity with a great v8 sound or if you want something to modify.
Many dealerships now offer a supercharger option for the 5.0 that will give you over 700hp and still have a warrantee.
There is no other V8 truck currently sold that can compare to the coyote 5.0 and how easy they are to modify and actually hold up to it.
Ram was getting close and then killed off their v8s and alienated their entire customer base and Toyota did the same.
GMs keep chewing up their cams and lifters and exploding their transmissions and front axles when modified.
There will always be brand loyalists that refuse to face facts, and I understand because I was one myself, but it is what it is.
Ford deserves the #1 rating they have for trucks.
Especially right now.
I agree and I've been loyal to GM for years but haven't been liking the direction they have been going recently especially since Mary Barra has taken over. Nissan Titan is on its way out and between the other four trucks I would take a Ford at this point.
What about titans
Me too Previous Ford sales manager
The 5.0 is a pretty incredible engine. Glad I opted for it in my '23 Tremor with the 3.73 gears.
I’ll never get rid of my 3.5 EB. Best engine I’ve ever owned. Have 234k on my 2016 now.
I'm at 174k on my 2015 f150 platinum with the 3.5 EB. Love that engine! Only issues I've had since purchasing it @ 132k miles has been the throttle body, both valve cover gaskets and the oil pump thing on the back of the passenger side head.
That’s crazy I have went threw 5 3.5 eb and they all have bin huge problems
@@robertespinoza2740idk everyone I heard said eco boost are good some small amount had issues in the first gens with cams phasers or water pump but that’s about it
@@robertespinoza2740 liar
@@Dimabuildingadventures "these are huge problems which is why I bought 5 of them"
If I had to choose I'd get the 5.0. Less complicated.
I love it when guys say stuff like this like they’d be the ones fixing their stuff if something broke lol
@@bigdaddypatty2420they heard it on other yt videos
I love the 5.0L and am a proud owner of a 5.0L F-150, but you are delusional if you think it's not a complicated engine.
@@bigdaddypatty2420 I do my own work on my truck including an engine rebuild a few years ago.
@@nathanmcdonald610 It's not as complicated as a Eco boost
I just got the 2024 f150 crew cab 4x4 5.0 w/3.73 gears. With a level kit, 34 inch tires, s&b cold air intake, and roush cat-back exhaust...its a dream. 18.5mpg city and 20 hwy
2018 5.0, love it. Power when I need it and quite frugal on fuel for a V8
I’ll be interested to see the next comparison to the 3.73’s too. You’re really doing a lot more real world testing than most channels and I’m loving it!
I have a 2020 EB and couldn't be happier.
Best towing 1500 engine without a doubt.
@TheGettyAdventures than is for comparison. Then is a point in time. Hard to take your videos seriously if you're struggling at basic English.
@@___asd159gh43have you ever made a mistake?
I’m actually happy the 5.0 needs to rev higher. I love to hear the sound
Looking forward to the comparison to the 3.73 gears.
I was very excited and have been wanting to test this out for a while! hopefully should be up by the end of the week - maybe Saturday
I'd like to see the 5.0 w/ the 3.73 gears too. I don't see a reason to be in a F150 w/ the 5.0 w/ anything less if you're going to tow any weight. Jet skis need not apply.
I own the 5.0, 3.73 4x4. Towing is absolutely fabulous. Power for days. Gas mileage while towing is down right embarrassing. 5-6 mpg.
Benefit of the 3.73 geared 5.0 is you get the bigger 9.75 axle vs the Super 8.8
@@GettysGarage- speaking of which, you said both trucks have the 3.31 gears, but when you referenced the Towing chart and you said they can tow 13k pounds that number was with the 3.73 Gears Only!! I’m not sure if you caught that or Not. But that jumped out at me. 🤷🏻♂️
my first f150 was an 18 3.5 ecoboost. i loved that engine, had gobs of power and towed great, i traded it for a 23 5.0 3.73 and its hard to decide which i like better but the 5.0 sounds awesome
I drive a 21 powerboost and the power is insane. 5.0 are great engines but stock it’s just so dramatic compared to my powerboost hybrid. 570 LbFt and standard 3.73 gears is nothing to mess with. Over 20 mpg regularly and 7.2kw generator. Only question I have is for the long term.
I wish they would put the Powerboost in the Raptor
@@motofunk1power boost with the raptor tune would be bonkers. No doubt you’d be near 500hp and 600+lbf of torque.
2.7 fan here. Have a '16 2wd scab, tow 24' rv gcvw 12,500 Eastern Pa terrain with 3.31 axle.
Engine is a monster. You would have to drive it to believe it.
On the flat and keeping speed under 60mph gets 9 + mpg.
I love it!
I was back and forth between the ecoboost and the 5.0 before I settled on a 2019 ecoboost. Coming from a toyota v8 which is a healthy engine, to the ecoboost is night and day, especially since I live in the mountains. To me, ill take that little bit of fuel loss(and it is only a little bit) for all that low end torque while going up mountains, especially at higher elevations. The 2nd gen ecoboost has a few minor kinks but overall very reliable. The 5.0 is great but also has its kinks with oil consumption on alot of them and cracked manifold bolts. Nothing is perfect, they're all machines that break at times and for me im loving turbo spools over rpms.
Yeah, come back at 150k miles and let us know how it's going. Twin turbos on a 3.5-litre are way beyond what that block can handle long-term!
@@brooksbelanger8799 what happens to the block?
@@joshfrey9336 not so much the block, but the cam phaser and timing chain issue. Really, and most mechanics would agree, it’s too much hp for the overall size of the engine, which limits the engines longevity. I’m not saying the 3.5 is a lemon, but it does tend to have a shorter life span than the 5.0 Coyote.
Just bought my 3rd truck with an ecoboost. All 3, 3.5l! All have performed flawlessly! Tuning the 3.5l is insane! I tuned mine for fuel efficiency. Empty and no trailer I have gotten 29 mpg! Driving properly, around 65-67mph. Waiting for the tune for my 2024 lariat 3.5l! ??
What kind of tune are you using?
What tune are you using?
I just bought a 2024 lariat, can’t find a tune for it yet. But my previous 3 all had tunes from 5star tuning. Around 700$ but the shifting and performance increased dramatically! Downside is you have to use top tier gas. But if you’re driving empty and conservative you can get 28-29mpg with the 3.5l ecoboost.
The new entry logo looks awesome. I've been looking forward to this for a while, great video. Now you have me even more worked up for next week with the 3.73s!
Where is the 2.7 towing video? I have a 22 2.7 and pulled a 25’ 6k lb travel trailer for 500 miles this spring. I was very impressed with the 2.7 it never felt underpowered. With mostly flat terrain, nasty crosswinds, and a mountain pass gaining 4k feet of elevation i averaged 9.1 mpg for the trip.
I’m pretty sure he has one for the 2.7. You just have to look for it.
Eco boost FTW
Awesome if I was going to choose I would get the 5.0l thanks to you, thx man!!! Can't wait for the 3.73 tow video!!!!
Can't go wrong with the 5L - Especially with 3.73's!
My 3.5 EB F150 has been amazing, I know some like all the noise from a V8 but I prefer smooth quiet power. I love the low rpm torque of the 3.5 it's why I fell in love with diesel trucks of the past, this is the new diesel performance bar of days gone past (before the EPA ruined them). Great for towing and when not towing the efficiency is fantastic. It's either Eco or Power - I like having the option on hand for what I need at the moment.
You’re going to be blown away by the 5.0 and 3.73s. I have a 2017 with the 6 speed and it not downshifting on overpasses is awesome. I actually had 3.73s installed from the not so good 3.31s and it lit this truck up it’s actually quick. I’m sure the 10 speed is crazy quick
Just bought the 3.5l 2023 two months ago. Just love it. Towing for the first time. Will come back and give my impressions. I have had a few f-150’s a dodge 1500 and a Chevy and one f-250.
Great videos man. Having both of those engines myself, i couldn't agree more.
I have a 2023 F150 tremor with the 5.0 but I have the higher 373 gears. I think that would go along way and helping the towing.
I just got a coolant flush done in my 2020 raptor with 98k miles. Now it runs super hot. I hit 235F unloaded on the highway and it was running 240F+ running essentially flat with my 4200lb boat. Before the flush my truck would only hit 228F towing my 4200lb trailer on long or steep inclines above 60mph. I hope the dealer can make this right.
Similiar thing happened to my 17 3.5. Thermostat was sticking, replaced and flushed and phaser work done and ran hot towing after that. Dealer told me it was "normal" like I hadnt owned the same truck and trailer for the last 7 years....
Air pocket in your cooling loop
There’s something magical about the coyote V-8 that the numbers on paper don’t quite reflect. Yes it revs higher and doesn’t have torque numbers as good as the ecoboost, but the sounds it makes while pulling steep grades with a trailer are intoxicating, and 22% better fuel efficiency when towing is a HUGE difference!
Great video. Very informative. As they say, with the Eco Boost you will get eco, or boost, but not both at the same time.
They're made to Rev so it doesn't bother me that it's running at a higher RPM it's meant to do that
3.73s are the only way to go in my book....on any engine! So glad chevy allows you to order that with the 3.0 diesel now.
5.0L all the way! I have a 2022 F150 Lariat w FX4 package and 4 inch lift. Gas milage sucks but ill take the 5.0L any day.
I wonder how reliable the 5.0 will be in the long run with the cylinder de activation and the belt on the oil pump..??
I have a 22 with the 5.0 and 3.31 gears. I tow a travel trailer that is almost 9,000 lbs to Florida and back (1,500 miles each way) every year. I have towed the trailer over 4,000 miles total and have averaged 9.7 mpg. I stay in tow/haul mode when I'm not on the interstates but have found that towing in normal mode on interstates increases fuel economy by a lot. I also rarely go over 65 and if it starts getting hilly I put it back into tow/haul mode. I've tried different octane fuel but that didn't seem to make enough of a difference to warrant the additional cost. I work out of my truck and even when I'm not towing, I have at least 600 lbs of tools in the back (Decked system) and still average 17 - 19 mpg daily driving. I have nothing against the ecoboost engines, my previous F150 had the 2.7 and I loved it for what I was using it for, but for longevity I decided to go with the 5.0.
Isn't that gonna break your transmission? Not putting it in towing?
For me, the reliability and ease of maintenance, I'll stick with the 5.0. No expensive turbos for me.
3.31 gears is great for towing but fuel economy it is fine. Id go 3.55 or 3.73 for towing with V8.
you get the expensive oil pump and the whole bottom end that goes when if fails vs the turbos, which don't fail
@@randyschmidt19turbos don’t fail🤣🤣🤣 that’s funny. We’ve replaced a lot of them.
@@petergalvez6431 no you haven't. I been driving and racing turbos since the 90s. So they wear, yes. Is it a huge failure point like V8 lovers pretend? No. Turbo your coyote so you can see and then be really fast.
@@randyschmidt19 oh really? So I don’t work at a ford dealer and haven’t seen 100s of turbos on ecoboosts fail? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 stop being ignorant. Maybe do a google search
@@randyschmidt19 btw I’ve had turbo vehicles since the late 90s. The factory turbos nowadays are garbage. Btw I do have a twin turbo kit ready to go on for my coyote
I have never been a Ford fan at all! But the Raptor made me take a look. I now own a 3.5 Raptor and trust me the power and especially the low end tq blows 98% of v8s out of the water! It even makes the gm 6.2 feel weak and im a chevy fan!
I have a 2011 SCREW 4x4 3.5l Ecoboost with 175k miles and it still performs great. It tows like a diesel, even being 13 years old with a 6 speed it tows 10k+ no problem.
Tbh when the Ecoboost came out I thought it was gimmick and well as you said 13 years later - looks like ford got the last laugh. It isn't a perfect engine and has flaws but overall an absolute Home Run for ford. Very solid engine.
@@GettysGarage agreed. I think they’re standing up to the test of time fairly well. Obviously you’ll have some upkeep with the turbos, timing components since it’s an OHC motor, and the usual stuff like water pumps etc etc, but you never really here about these motors outright failing.
Mileage
A very thirsty diesel 😋
@@Cloud30000 definitely a thirsty one lol
I have a 19 with a 5.0 with the 355 rear end and have pulling what I need to pull without having the issues of any turbos
Would love to see these compare to 3.0 duramax diesel
As would I. I think it would be an interesting comparison. I think the ecoboost will have the top end power but I think the duramax would feel much happier under load.
Would be a lot slower compared to these two, might get some better mpg in certain conditions. Ford is now using that engine in some markets as a Ranger option.
We need to talk about the new update to the 5.0 that has an updated oil pump with a wet oil soaked drive belt that will fail early. Im a Coyote fan, but as a mechanic, I definitely will not suggest buying a newer Ford. My 2016 F150 N/A 5.0 Coyote 2wd 6R80 will last me. Fuel economy is insignificant compared to long-term ownership / maintenance costs.
My 2016 f150 with the 3.5 towing 10000pound travel trailer did 23 to 30l/100 depending on wind. It never went over 30. Best was 23 on 500km trip. 38 to 40 seems high. My 6.7 power stroke pulls the same trailer at 21 to 23 l/100
Regarding the gearing, I think it all depends on how much time you'll be spending towing or towing heavy. I have a '15 5.0 w/ 3.31s and it's still fine towing upwards of 5-6k. Towing an 8k toy hauler it was still fine but needed inputs to be a bit more purposeful (ie manually shifting). The new 10-speed makes it less of an issue with how tight those first 5-6 ratios are though.
My 2016 f150 5.0 has 265k miles on it. The engine has never been opened up. I’m starting to look for a new one hopefully it’ll last just as long.
would be very interesting to see the trans temps during those hills..curious if there is any difference between them
I would take the v8 over the twin turbo v6. The v8 might be more reliable over the years. Good test Alex. Would like to know how it tows in the Summer in the Southern US with high temps and humidity. I know you're in Canada with the plaid shirt, lol.... Can't wait for the next fricking video.
I had a 2015 f150 3.5 eco 3:31 rear & a 2020 5l 3.73 rear . I tow a 7400# travel trailer. Empty I’d say they’re pretty darn close to the same other than the exhaust tone. Loaded they were darn close on the flats. But any hill or long pulls up hills the eco did a better job. The turbos kick in and away we go! Mpg’s were pretty much the same. I averaged 10.3 mpg towing up & down hills. I never got as low as you did even in a strong head wind.
I don't tow much. I have the 3:73 in my Tremor. I got the Coyote partially because I could get the truck sooner, but I've been happy so far (and I get better combined mpg than those I know with the 3.5).
can't go wrong with the 5L, very solid engine and with the 3.73 gears you wont be disappointed.
First Generation 3.5 EB here. So, I have a 2013 SCREW King Ranch- I have owned other -150 as well as Silverado- I prefer the drivability on the Chevrolet by a little bit-Not great over washboard or rough surface- But most of the time it's on center steering is very sorted and has a predictable and planted drive for better overall handling, that said I like both of them. The Ford will take the weight and pull stronger than any other truck imo. I of course took my KR to Livernois Motorsports for a Tune-WOW they know what they're doing! I love the 5.0, but since we are talking towing- The Eco Boost is just plain happy towing and it's just always surprising to me how much torque is available. The truck towed great stock-But more is always better and $500 tuner turned it up significantly- Very noticeable difference just a great towing truck! I use 93 performance tune some of the time- I love it. The truck looks great and has very comfortable interior especially the seats! My issue with this F-150 and the other ones that I have owned is the wander in the steering and disconnected overall feel of the truck. It's not good on a washboard or rough road and the on-center steering is awful- After a day of driving I am exhausted from all the steering corrections and just work that it is to drive. I know this is not a Ford /Chevy comparison-but I like to share what I know and hope everyone else feels free to do so also. Anyway, the Chevy had a 5.3 great motor but not as powerful as the 3.5 EB- Strains on long grades and runs over 4k RPM some too- also the suspension was not a heavy built as ford- But even then, it was easier to steer and handled better under load or not. The Chevy is easier to live with on a daily- but if you're going to be towing heavy a 24ft Boat with all the gear and fuel etc like I do or Horse trailer, construction I would get the EB for sure!
I had a 2019 Ecoboost that ended up needing the cam phaser TSB. I'm glad it was covered under warranty because the dealership had to replace the phasers along with the camshafts.
I now own a 2020 5.0 and am much happier with the Coyote engine. It just feels more refined in a much simpler package. I'm mostly unconcerned about any out of warranty repairs since the V8 is cheaper, less complicated and more common. I put the 5-Star 87 octane performance tune on it and can't overstate the driveability improvement that made - ultra smooth shifting and the truck feels so much lighter on its feet.
An 87 tune makes as much sense as a 93 efficiency only tune.
@@302Mustang13 you CLEARLY haven’t used the 87 tune. The smoothness in the transmission on the 87 perf tune by itself is worth it. Since I don’t dog my truck out on a regular basis, but do appreciate improved fuel mileage, better transmission management/shift points and don’t want to spend $4+ per gallon for premium to eek out a few more horses, an 87 tune makes way more sense than a 93 tune.
And I’m sure you know the saying about opinions…
@@grenobel Got respect for 5star but just not a fan of any 87 performance tune. I get it though and forget that the F-150 doesn't even recommend premium unless towing. Hopefully you at least have a 91 or 93 tune onboard in case you want/need it. I have a 5.0 Mustang and not only is it tuned, but I haven't run less than 91 ever, even before tuned. In my case, I didn't buy the car to cheap out on fuel and risk detonation the way I drive it.
@@302Mustang13 - if I were driving a mustang, we would be in total agreement. That's a performance car whereas the F150 is perfectly happy on lower octane to do most truck duties. I do have 5 other tunes including the 93 and e85 performance tunes because they were only +$10 each over the initial tune - just in case Trump comes back and fuel prices get back to normal. 😁 I haven't (yet) used the higher octane performance tunes though. Maybe I'm just too cheap and poor for any street racing tickets...
I do run the 93 tow/perf tune when I'm pulling my RV, but even then it's still just doing truck things instead of performance things.
@@grenobel I concur with all. I've been saying I'll gladly pay $20 a gallon this summer and fall if it helps getting rid of that evil administration. He's been anti oil but now seems to have softened up cause he knows it could cost him. I'm hoping for oil to go up. Pain temporarily surely beats the pain I'll deal with the next 20-30 years
I’ve had couple F150 with the Ecoboost my last F150 has the 5.0 which gets much better fuel mileage towing I’ll stay with the 5.0 from here forward
Does the towing change when we install a whipple on that 5.0?
Question: Where's the "Eco" in "Ecoboost" if the mileage is worse than the 5.0?
You don't get both at the same time. If you are not towing and babying it you get the eco. If you tap into the boost then you get the power but lose the mileage.
…you get either the Eco, or the Boost, depending on what you’re doing. Not both at the same time.
That is why if you're not going to do a lot of towing you don't need the 3.5. Otherwize just get the 5.0 for longevity
I bought a low mileage 13 cclb 4x4 w/ a Gen 1 5.0 2 years ago and love it. 3.55s imo are the best overall if you're not hooked to a trailer every single day. I tow a lot of cars and other trailers and it handles very well for what it is and most importantly gets reasonable fuel mileage towing and great mileage cruising unloaded, sounds amazing with a Carven R muffler and is NA V8 simple and reliable. doesn't get better than that.
The EcoBoost with the tow package is a substantial vehicle. I have pulled some very heavy trailers with my EcoBoost 2013 f150. The truck can easily handle 14,000 lbs. Has a lot of torque add a lot of low-end power .
I have the 5.0 which tows 5k lbs like a dream. If I was towing 9-10k lbs, give me that 3.5EB with heavy duty tow package.
Just ordered a 2025 stx fx4 5.0 with 3.73 max tow in marsh gray. Cannot wait to get it!
Good review though wish you xould have redone the 3.5 again in the better weather.
My current p/u is a 3.5 after having many other Ford V8s and diesel. For my needs today, that 3.5 does more then I'll ever need though the last was a 6.7 diesel F350CCLB that did the same fuel mileage as the 3.5. The one I don't miss is the 6.8 V10 with the small gas tank that was good for 6-7mpg hauling a 12K 5th wheel, 12-13 without
Love my 2023 SuperCrew XL with the 5.0 and 3.31 gears. I am SO glad I didn't wait until the 2024 redesign. The trim levels got restructured which means you cant get buckets and a console in the XL anymore. Now you have to step up to the new STX trim which costs a few thousand more and forces you into larger wheels. The 17's give you more sidewall.
Great Video and comparison! One of my favorite channels!
Can you clarify? You said both trucks have a 3.31 rear end, but when you showed the max towing chart, you highlighted 13k pounds max towing. However, that’s for the 3.73 gearing - the 3.31 looked like it had a max tow rating of 9400 pounds.
I noticed that too!! That Ford towing chart can be quite “tricky” 🤣
I'd really like to see a review of the 3.0 LZ0 diesel doing this same towing test! Great videos!
Good video. I like the comparison and how you are testing the trucks. By the way, your thumbnail has then instead of than. Sorry, but that's one of my pet peeves. 😉
This is the content we want!
Great video sir. Even though i have a 22 Powerboost i have been looking to trade on a 21 or 22 XLT mid with 3.5 and the extremely hard to find Heavy Duty Payload Package or HDPP. I want to get a slide in pop up and folks who have the HDPP have about 2500 pounds of payload!!!!!
With that much payload you would honestly be better served by an F250 if you plan on keeping the slide in camper on your truck a majority of the time. I’ve seen in the forums many, many times people have started off with an F150 and eventually have had to step up due to the heavier truck platform being more stable. Yes an F150 can do it but you will be driving white knuckle most of the time. But the choice is ultimately yours to make.
Great comparison. The new intro is awesome.
Regardless of the costs and results, I’ll take the 5.0. Less plumbing and such
It is a dual overhead cam engine so not your typical "old school" V8 but still a simpler engine then any forced induction options.
I tow a 10k dump trailer almost every day with my 5.0 never a issue, powers fine, suspension is fine, getting 12-15mpg on 33in tires. Lot of highway miles.
Only thing i really do complain about is that when im nearing 10,000lbs the brakes are definitely something to pay attention to but i think the brakes are the same through out the the whole line up. I may be wrong
Not sure what elevation you test at but another thing not everyone seems to factor in is the power loss at elevation that NA engines have. At 6,000ft that NA v8 will make ~70 less hp, whereass the turbo does not noticeably lose any power since it can force more air to compensate for thinner air. Something to consider for people that live or tow in high elevations.
100% agree, and my max elevation on this loup is about 1,000 feet - so not much.
I will not towing a trailer at any point in the foreseeable future. Watched all the way through simply because this was a spectacular review
2021 f150 4X4 crew cab 3.5 ecoboost. I’ve owned a bunch of trucks over the years (age 70). This is without question the best pickup truck I’ve ever driven. Tons of low end grunt, faster than a speeding bullet when you get on it, quiet, smooth running, i hardly ever feel the shift points from the 10 speed tranny, And, along with all those benefits i get superb gas mileage that no V-8 can touch over the long term - irregardless of what the theoretical data says.
Albeit cleverly named, work that V-8 engine towing or struggling to climb highway grades at higher RPM and it will become an oil leaking, smoking, fuel hog that gets 12 to 15 mpg just like them all. There’s no comparison.
Interestingly, I have a '23 F-150 with the V8. I tow with at maximum (13k) and never dip below 9.x mpg. Normally 10 to 13mpg range. Perhaps it is wind drag on the trailer or altitude difference. I am located in North Texas which is pretty flat. It has been a awesome truck, so far.
7.1 MPG for the Coyote compared to 5.8 MPG for the Ecoboost is actually 23% better fuel economy which is significant.
The Turbo, will kill the Engine so much faster! Our Political Mafia played this Turbogame a few years more here in Germany!
That mileage is pathetic. My 2018 F150 3.5L EB gets over 11 mpg towing our 27 foot, 7500 lb. camper at 55-60 mph. At 70 to 75 mph, it still gets over 9 mpg.
My 13 does about the same. I try to stay closer to 70mph and it averages 12.
Not exactly a fair comparison with completely different weather conditions. The rain adds more rolling resistance and hurt the fuel economy.
I see that much variance on MPG's with me 3.5 eco and I pull a VERY similar trailer. Headwinds, temps, winter vs Summer Fuel make a big difference. It would have been good to see you towing the trailer on the same day with both truck to help take some factors out of the equation.
V8 has that song that is hard to beat
I got the 5.0 base XL 4x4 with the 6.5 bed, 3.73 rear. Never had a V8 so I figured I’d get one before the greenies outlaw them. Can't really comment on the 3.73, I don't tow and I've never driven the other F150's, so, seems ok to me... The only thing I can complain about is the jerkiness when coming to a stop from a cold start. It jerks shifting down to 3rd for some reason. I read some articles online that may point to the two piece drive shaft spline joint lube (or lack thereof) being the issue, but I don’t really know… the engine is awesome, can’t beat the V8 sound!
I’m getting 19.5mpg with my lifted 2023 5.0.
I had a choice and went with the 5.0. Once the warranty is over I’ll throw a supercharger on and make way more power way better sound and still way more reliable than the eco boost
Try towing with the Ecoboost with the to gears locked out and compare MPG to using all the gears. I suspect excessive boost is the underlying cause of the poor mpg.
That 10-speed automatic is key to keeping that 5.0 in its happy-place in terms of torque/rpm sweet spot without having to drone at 4500 rpm.
Curious what your thoughts would be on if you would rather own the 3.0 duramax or the 5.0 f150 for a daily driver/tow truck towing about the same weight you are in this video?
Thats a tough call. I think both engines are solid options. I would lean more towards the 5L because there is no emissions to deal with. But you will get much better fuel economy with the 3L duramax so It's a little bit of a give and take. Over the long run if you were not planning on deleting the Duramax I would say the 5L is a better option.
My 2002 Silverado 2500hd with the 8.1L gets 10mpg towing. And it's paid for. It's a riot to drive not towing and gets 11.5mpg. I like the trade off
Can't argue with that!
Nice comparison, but I would just like to add that testing the 3.5l in 2 degrees C (35 F) and then testing the 5.0 in what looks like much warmer weather will definitely skew your mpg. I have a 2.7 in mine and it’s about 3-4 mpg difference cold weather to warm during regular driving.
Yeah, 2 degrees, 100% humidity, and rolling resistance from all the water really makes this an apples to oranges comparison unfortunately...
I would love to see this test on the f250 and your opinion on where the line is on 250 vs 150 for towing. Great content for me since I tow a 9K enclosed trailer all the time with a F250 6.7 but not sure I would go that route again but float around with the 7.3 vs the rapidly increasing tow ratings on the F150. Luckily the 6.7 is still going strong so I can delay the whole decision.
The simple fact that you could take a base form of both of these engines and the 5.0 is just plain stronger then the 3.5. It’s capable of 800+ hp on stock bottom ends. Less problematic being a v8 na engine as well. Just my 2 pennies worth.
You couldn't get me away from my 3.5 Ecoboost!
@GettyGarage do you have a video of that loop in the 5.0 with the 3.73 gearing? Was there a noticeable difference with the RPMs on the hills? Edit: and the end of the video played 30 seconds after I ask. LOL
You should do the ecoboost again in the same weather conditions. I'd bet it gets a little better fuel economy than it's first run, but I doubt it will beat the coyotes fuel economy.
the weather was trash no doubt about it.
All the additives in Winter pump gas kill mileage too. My truck always gets better mileage with green season gas
You said they have the same 3.31 rear end, in which case the towing capacity is 9,400 and not 13,000.
Yup, he mis-read Ford’s towing chart! 🤦🏻♂️
If you are going to tow anything over 5K pounds you want the eco boost for sure. You’ll. Be happy you did especially up hills. They’ve made so many improvements and it is a very stout engine.
Don't know why you cant get the 5.0 with the 3:55 gearing (at least in canada). Seems like that would be the best compromise.
Don't forget that rain can make a significant difference in fuel economy numbers. Although to what extent I am not sure.
Back in 2021, I really wanted the F150 max tow package with the 3.5. All Max tow packages were in short supply, so the only thing i could get with an optioned up XLT was the Coyote engine with the 3.73 rear end. It wasnt quite what we wanted so we did a lease for 42 months and built the lease at 18,000 miles a year due to our projected driving habits with the truck.
It has performed quite well when towing our flatbed trailer with hay and our tractors. The most we have on our 10K trailer is around 8K pounds. ( Yes, this includes the 2.5 K weight of the trailer) Pulling that on hilly roads, we are getting 9.9 mpg at 55 to 60 mile per hour which is probably in line with an enclosed trailer's 6.2 mpg performance on the open road. It has a lot of power, but it does have to work harder without those twin turbos. On the open road without towing, I can get 22 to 23.5 mpg on 10 ply tires. On the lame factory tires, you can get another 1 to 2 mpg. However, where we have our mini ranch, we need the beefier tires. I think both of these engines will do the job. It really depends on your use needs. Still haven't decided on what to buy or lease next. These two engines are on my list. My mechanic prefers the 5.0 because he feels there is less to go wrong versus any brand's turbo engines.
Very helpful! I’m leaning towards the 5.0. Beautiful country up there! What city are you near?
2023 rapid red black appearance package 5.0 ...................this truck is epic
Unplug the start/stop under the dash by brake pedal, your engine will run better and mpg will increase 1.5 to 2.5 mpg! The 5.0 is the best by a wide margin.
This for a '23 stx also? Will have to look that plug up. If that switch ever fails-and it may never fail, that would be a pain. Have 3.15 rear end, get 24.1 mpg & 21,000 miles.
Now & then put 4-6 ounces of Marvel Mystery oil in fuel tank, use non-ethanol as much as possible, 3000-4000 mile oil changes.
Have a 3600# dry weight camper. If I ever have to evacuate, had the trailer brake controller installed, & weight distribution-anti sway hitch on camper. 2016 FX2 5L 3.55 pulled it very well. Hopefully STX will be fine. I drive 55 w/camper, live in flatland...except for overpasses & bridges lol.🤞🏻
I just sold my 2012 F150 with the 5.0 and it was bullet proof. The truck had 178,000 on it and it ran as good the day I sold it as the day I bought it new. I cant give a thumbs up or down on the 3.5 because I've never owned one. I've heard those engines have some issues but I tend not to believe much unless I've experienced it myself. The 3.5 is strong it seems and probably a good puller but I prefer a V8. The 5.0 I had gave me zero problems outside a leaky coolant tank and one hose. I wish Ford would have just took the 5.0 design and created a bigger V8 for the F250. I now have the 7.3 and it does well but so far I'm not a big fan of the 10 speed tranny for towing what I tow.
I would like to see you review and tow with the Ford F150 POWERBOOST Hybrid.
you get 500lb of tq at 2500rpm in the ecoboost but that also means being in boost. in general you dont want to be in boost once youre up to speed. since the ecoboost isnt downshifting its probably utilizing the turbos to keep your speed. which means youre putting wear on your turbos all of the time not just during acceleration.
14 years and running on the 3.5 boost💁🏻♂️, 5.0 if u do super charger, if not the sound, the 3.5 is very snappy, I was happy w my 2021, if I get another one, I’ll get the 5.0 for simplicity
Got another one…5.0 avalanche xlt black appearance pckg(not the +) the plus gives you duel exhaust!
Couldn’t care less about the sound. My 3.5 in my Tremor is doing great so far at 14000 miles. I chose it for more torque when pulling. I get 18mpg average not towing obviously. When I do tow I’m not concerned with getting a couple more mpg like the coyote gets. The power difference especially at very high elevations is worth it
I am biased as a 5.0 owner, but would not hesitate to get a 2.7 or 3.5 EB. The 3.5 would be a monster towing machine, but I would always be manually shifting to keep the rpm up since I've heard that even if it can tow at a low rpm, the boost pressure will cause temps to creep up since the water pump isnt spinning too quickly.
I have a 2020 3.5 and tow/haul mode does this for you. When in that mode with over 5k behind it it never shifts over 8th gear at least 2000 RPM minimum 👍🏻
@@TheMagnumChannel oh that’s pretty neat. Keeping it above 2k is great being that unloaded sometimes those transmissions like to skip shift down to like 1100 for fuel economy purposes.
@@ALMX5DP exactly! Unloaded in “eco” mode it will stay in high gear and provide boost to add power before down shifting but in tow/haul it keeps the RPMs up for you 👍🏻