Ford's 3.5 Ecoboost vs 5.0 Coyote: Which is Better?
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- In today’s video, Zach covers a pretty important F-150 question when it comes to the many engine options: the 3.5 EcoBoost vs 5.0 Coyote. The 3.5 EcoBoost V6 twin-turbo was first introduced in 2011 and has been a staple in Ford’s lineup since. The 5.0 Coyote V8 naturally-aspirated was first introduced also in 2011 and has also been a staple in Ford’s lineup. Zach will cover performance, tuning potential, price, reliability, and more for both engines. We hope this comparison assists anyone looking to purchase a vehicle with either engine. Sit back, relax, and enjoy the whole video. Also, we have a more in-depth article on this topic on our website if you would like to read about it instead: tuningpro.co/f...
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00:31 - 3.5 EcoBoost vs 5.0 Coyote Introduction
00:56 - 3.5 EB vs 5.0 Engine Specs
02:32 - 3.5 EB vs 5.0 Towing Comparison
03:32 - 3.5 EB vs 5.0 Performance Comparison
04:08 - 3.5 EB vs 5.0 Performance Modification Potential
05:34 - 3.5 EB vs 5.0 Fuel Economy & Towing
07:49 - 3.5 EB vs 5.0 Price Difference
08:45 - 3.5 EcoBoost vs 5.0 Coyote Reliability
09:37 - Ford 3.5 EcoBoost vs 5.0 Coyote Comparison Summary
The 3.5 outperforms the 5.0 in every way but a smaller forced induction engine just won’t last as long as a naturally aspirated V8. Also, you alluded to this in the video but the sound of a V6 will never match the iconic roar of a V8. I love the Coyote engine in my ‘17 F150 👍🏻
Tj - We completely agree! Hope the Coyote treats you well!
211000 miles on my 2011 3.5. If you're not an idiot and actually do maintenance, the truck should last. Yeah... everyone with a v8 truck gets exhaust. Neat? I like my blow-off valves and turbo whine.
I guy in Canada has a 2011 3.5 with 1.5 million km on it
1.2 million km new timing chain and head work with new turbo
1.4 million km new short block because of a rod bearing failure.
Maintenance is key and there are plenty of 1st Gen 3.5 eco beasts with well over 200k miles no problems and the new Gen is way way better. Coyote has had its problems with oil consumption and now the latest Gen had cylinder deactivation which killed gm motors. So no thanks. My dad was Chevy til he dies and had 2 Silverado turds, for an eco boost and couldn’t be happier. 3 years no problems
AJ - Thanks for sharing your feedback!
excellent video man... GM guy here that bought my first F150 platinum with the Coyote... drove the 3.5 and coming from a duramax for the last 15yrs the 3.5 juat didnt "feel" right for me, 5.0 feels more truck able lol
R - Thanks for sharing your experience! Whatever engine works best for you and suits your needs! Both are excellent engines.
Got the 3.5 for towing. Couldn’t be happier.
My one experience with the 5.0 involved blown exhaust manifolds when towing.
D - Thanks for sharing your experience!
my buddy has a 2017 3.5 eco boost its been in the shop twice for cam phasers I think said now its out of warranty
Tom - Cam phasers have been a real issue for the 3.5s...
Have ford fixed the issue in the 18?
Interesting. I have a 5.4 and locked the cam phasers. Is that an option on the eco boost?
They most likely kept putting in the old design phasers. They updated the design on the phasers to prevent the same problem.
I will take the 5.0 Coyote every time.
Patriot - Everyone's got their own opinions. Both are great engines.
Agreed 100% brother, I have a 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 161,000 miles on it and still going strong and its a beast and it sounds like a beast with the Borla ATAK exhaust on it as well.
test drove them both. 5.0 feels more aggressive and sounds much better. bought a 2018 lariat today:)
J - Nice! Thanks for sharing your experience and congrats on the new ride!
5.0 all day long!
B - Thanks for sharing your opinion. Both are certainly great engines for different uses.
3.5 is better in every aspect aside from exhaust note. 3.5 also gets huge gains with a simple tune on 91. mine idles along around 2k rpm towing a 7k llb 27' travel trailer @ 95kph , mpg is better on 3.5 when not towing, but its terrible when towing
Putz - Thanks for sharing your insight and experience!
I like this guy, he presents well.
D - Thanks for the feedback! We hope it was helpful.
I’ve had 2 ecoboost’s and 2 5.0s. The mpg always seemed close, because if you’re in the boost you’re burning more gas (and mpg is actually LESS than the 5.0, especially in winter). Both are great engines, and with the 3.73 gears on the 5.0, acceleration feels similar to the 3.5 with 3.55. Bottom line; can’t go wrong with either but my God the sound of that 5.0 at 3k rpm and up is pure joy!
J - Thanks for taking the time to share your first hand experience with both! This will certainly help future viewers.
You're spot on regarding gas mileage. I have a 2014 EcoBoost and if I'm under 60mph local driving I average about 18.5 mpg.But if Im on the interstate running 70/75 mph Ill get around 12/13mpg.And if there's a head wind it will be about 10.5/11 mpg.When you take advantage of the turbos it comes at a price for sure.
I - Thanks for sharing!
Short version. In 10 years the coyote will still be running. The 5.0 is the superior engine.
A - Everyone is held to their own opinion. Thanks for sharing.
I had a 19 5.0 and now a 22 3.5. The 5.0 leaked oil (it was back to ford several times) and always had several different engines noises I was told were normal 5.0 sounds. I sold it with 80,000 miles. I guess it never missed a beat but I am so much happier back in a 3.5. They tow so much better and you don’t need to be at 5,000 rpm’s to feel the power
Josh - Thanks for providing your feedback! This will certainly be helpful for future viewers. It’s nice to hear some first hand experience.
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The slight ticking sound on the 5.0 is the high pressure direct injection it's nothing to be concerned about.
160k and not one drop of oil on the ground, 19 5.0.
my 2013 5.0 is now my daughters truck, 260k only had a coolant leak 1 time it was the t stat, never has had a oil leak.
2018 3.5 is great for towing however the truck is in the shop having cam phasers replaced for the 2nd time, 100k miles. $4400. Can’t speak for the 5.0 but at this point I’m just looking for reliability.
S - So sorry to hear this... Thanks for sharing your experience. It'll certainly be helpful for future viewers.
230000 miles on my 5.0. No leaks. No other problems except the heater core hose. Still does not use oil. Still running strong!
Ron - Sounds like you've got a good one! I'm sure there is 230k more in it.
Now I know your lying. Ford transmissions don't go past 120k without a rebuild
@jalee6587 my 2011 ford fusion has so far made it to 165k miles on the original transmission 👀
@@jalee6587 had to rebuild my 2010 f150 4.6 @ 200k miles
J - Maybe not for you.....
My 2011 Coyote just blew up at 252,000 miles. It was a really good truck. It ran great. Even after 200K miles. I just got a 3.5 ecoboost. I can’t speak for how long it will last but I definitely love the power of it.
Nice, that's pretty good mileage out of a coyote. 3.5 will probably have a few more issues as you get up to those levels but if you take care of it it should run pretty strong for awhile!
I have a 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 161,000 miles on it and still going strong and its a beast and it sounds like a beast with the Borla ATAK exhaust on it as well.
CJ - Thanks for sharing your build. Sounds like you've got a good one!
@8020Media Thanks brother its been a great truck, it was my dad's truck when he bought it new and now since he's got a new car (which was a 2016 Dodge Charger SXT AWD at the time) its now my truck.
I just got rid of my 2011 3.5 ecoboost with 180k on the engine, turbos and lines were leaking, as well as the water pump, too expensive to repair. Baught a newer f150 with the 5.0, not sure which i like most. Dont have to worry about replacing turbos and lines at least
JG - Keep us updated!
You got an early 1st gen 3.5, they are so much better in 2nd gen.
My neighbor just bought a new f-150 with the 5.0. He likes it for the power and durability. I have the 2015 f-150 King Ranch with The 5.0 and its the best truck I have had. Its fast and powerful.
T - Thanks for taking the time to share your first hand experience!
I say 5.0 in my opinion. I've seen a TH-cam where they go to a Ford Shop and ask a dozen mechanics I think it was 9-3 for the 5.0 they basically said because it's a 8 cylinder what a truck should be and they don't see them in the shop near as much. Less maintenance.
R - Very true! Everyone is held to their own opinion.
I recently picked up a 2012 Lariat F-150 with the 3.5 ecoboost with 134k and I also have a 2012 Mustang GT with the Coyote with 125k. Now I totally get that it is unfair to compare the two, but none the less, I prefer the Coyote even if it consumes a quart of oil every 2,500 miles. Bad turbo lag, rough idle, and 20% less fuel economy than advertised has lost me on the 3.5, but on the converse it does tow my travel trailer very well.
M - Thanks for taking the time to share first hand experience with both! I’m sure others will find this helpful
I purchased a 2011 F150 with ecoboost a little over 5 years ago. It had 127k miles at the time. It now has about 161k miles on it. The engine has been rock solid. I recently changed spark plugs as it was misfiring when I would step on it, but that fixed my problem. It does idle a bit rough upon cold start up but smooths out at normal operating temperature. Very happy with the ecoboost F150.
John - Thanks for sharing your experience!
Nice review. But I didn’t hear anything about cam phaser issues on the 3.5. I believe they have been re-designed in ‘22. Somehow the 5.0 doesn’t have hardly any issues with them, even though it is the same design.
You're right - we didn't get into that here but should have. We do have a full article on cam phaser issues though: tuningpro.co/3-5l-ecoboost-cam-phaser-rattle/
5.0 any day. Less things that can go wrong, less maintenance. Hell i drive an old 5.4 had engine replaced but that’s another story…
W - Thanks for sharing your experience!
wear and tear, 3.5 turbo has a lot more cylinder pressure and more moving parts, the 5.0 has a longer longevity and reliability.
E - Put simply. Thanks for this insight!
Agreed 100%
I loved my 5.0, particularly the sound of it, and it just feels right in a truck. But my now 3.5 just drives so much better. Feels more nimble, more get up, etc.and the milage gain for me is a big plus. I average plus 5 mpg combined over the 5.0 I had.
A - Thanks for taking the time to share your first hand experience.
If you want a truck you'll sell again in a few years, get a 3.5. If you want to put a few hundred thousand on it, you need the 5.0.
Jay - Thanks for sharing your opinion.
Agreed 100%
Nothing like a 5.0 sound the 3.5 ecoboost will never sound like a 5.0 Musle Truck
Victor - This is true. But can't hate on the sound of a turbo!
No engine sounds good loosing a race
I rather the Musle sound which pretty soon is going to disappear V8 will be a thing of the past
So get the 3.5 eco boost considering it does better in virtually every single category.
Scolson - Everyone's held to their own opinion, but they are both exceptional engines!
The Turbos WILL fail and be very expensive to replace. Really no fuel economy advantage for the ecoboost if you actually tow with. The eciboost exists because of govt regulations NOT because the engineers thought it was the best way to go. Custoners werent demanding it either...
F - You bring up some great points. Thanks for sharing.
Agreed 100% brother, wish Ford can make bigger displacement V8s (like the 6.8L Godzilla V8 known as minizilla) for the F150 so that it gives F150 owners more options if they still want a V8 in they're F150?
Great 👍 review ! I own a 17 F150 with the coyote V8 engine and so far noo issues with the drivetrain.
Andre - Thanks for the feedback! The 5.0 is certainly a stout engine if maintained properly. How many miles do you have on it?
@@8020Media very low KM around 50000km
You have plenty of miles to go with that one!
2.7 L towed 15500lbs double axle trailer full of wet soil and interlock. If anything the trailer was gonna go before the 2.7 L engine
Such a beast. Drove it all summer for work for my boss did many dump runs full dump trailers of fill
A - Thanks for sharing your experience.
Love my 16 f150 5.0, considering my ex wife’s 2013 ford edge with the 3.5 na with the internal water going bad , I would never own another 3.5, good luck to all you f150 owners with the 3.5, makes me love my Coyote that much more
Coyote - To each their own. Both engines are great and have their own problems. However, thanks for sharing your experience.
@@8020Media Yeah that’s really the only bad thing I’ve experienced with the 3.5 other than that they are quite smooth running for a V6 but don’t sound great but what ford V6 does sound good right
The 3.5 N/A isn't even similar to the ecoboost 3.5... It has way crappier internals and doesn't have the twin turbos. Not nearly as good at anything.
Amen Brother preach it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
5.0 has the upper hand 💯 %
D - Thanks for sharing your opinion. We think both engines are great.
I have a 3.5 ecoboost 1st gen and I work with several people that have the 5.0 and the 2.7 ecoboost. I never Hurd any of the ones that have the 3.5 or 2.7 said I which I would have gotten the 5.0 but I have heard some of them say they would have gotten the ecoboost over the 5.0 .
Pablo - Very true. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Coyote sounds way better though
Denne - Depending on preference, definitely. But that's a personal preference. Some may want the turbo sound.
@@8020Media I have an 05' Lincoln Aviator AWD 4.6 dohc and a 2018 Lincoln Navigator 4x4 with 3.5 Ecoboost. The 4.6 sounds so much better and I don't have to switch drive modes. It's pretty much in performance mode with traction control or not. Love the sound of the coyote also. The 3.5 Ecoboost sounds more like a Porsche 911 turbo engine IMO.
Denne - Thanks for sharing your first hand experience!
Yeah, but which one is more costly for repair? 3.5 Ecoboost is more expensive to repair than 5.0 liters. Ecoboost is not quite a reliable engine according to the Consumer's Report. Ram truck has a top-notch truck for excellent and dependable consumer reports. I was a huge fan of Ford for years, and I had so many issues with the Ecoboost engine repairs. Ecoboost has a problem with water collection into the engine that stalled it. I would rather have 5.0 liters over 3.5 Ecoboost. Ford has the highest recalls than any other trucks. It's not a good sign.
J - Thanks for your insight.
I have a 2012 with a 5.0. Bought it new it has 140K miles. I have driven ecoboost F150s and they are more fun to drive, but I am happy with my 5.0. I havent had any issues.
K - Thanks for sharing your first hand experience!
The 3.5 also makes peak torque lower than the 5.0
M - Thanks for the insight!
Peak torque at a much, much lower rpm. Like a truck is supposed to be for towing, hauling
@@paulhunter9613 the 5.0 hauls about 100lbs more than the 3.5 but the 3.5 tows about 100lbs more
@@mesothelioma5024 the 3.5 tows much more than the 5.0
@@paulhunter9613not really. Ford says the 3.5 tows about 105lbs more than the coyote
I wish Lincoln still made the Mark LT, like a trim above the F150 Platinum/Limited..... I will just do a Platinum, I suppose....
The Limited is pretty fully loaded - what are you looking for on top of something like that?
What MPG does the 3.5L Eco-boost get when towing a good sized utility trailer with tools in it VS. the MPG for the 5L with the same trailer? And how long will each engine last? How about In a work truck that gets the crap beat out of it every day for year after year after year? I think we’re all getting screwed with all the turbocharged 4cyl. and 6 cyl. engines out there and yes they do create a lot of extra heat and carbon. Coyote is the way to go! Definitely not the 3 valve 5.4L. Still, your video was great and very informative on both engines. Keep up the great videos!!!!!!👍🏻
O - Thanks for taking the time to share your experience and insights. Also, thanks for the feedback. We don't plan on stopping anytime soon.
Both engines are awesome, i live i Arizona with 5,000 ft of elavation so i went with a 3.5 and love it. The throttle body gave out on me once though which is probably because of cabron buildup coming from the turbos so i doubt the 5.0 would have done the same but other than that its a strong and fun truck
D - We agree! Thanks for sharing your experience.
I have had both engines now. Really miss my 5.0 but my new 2022 3.5 hands down tows better than my 5.0s ever did
S - Thanks for taking the time to share your first hand experience on both engines!
It’s simple for me I don’t want a truck that sounds worse then my weed eater and needs steroids to compete/surpass a Nati
2-1 - Thanks for sharing your opinion. Everyone is different!
If you’re not first your last
Very good and informative video. Thanks 🤙
D - Thanks for sharing your feedback! Hope it helped.
300 I-6
Nice!
5.0 is best because can be more live and is very strong and drive smoot.....
J - Thanks for sharing your insight. We think both are solid engines!
The first ecoboost in my 2015 SHO has 350 lb ft of torque. Not 400.
Jeff - Thanks for the insight.
i want to get an f-150 2021 or above ecoboost but i had an 2017 ecoboost and my transmission blew out and also the cam phasers got messed up as well idk what to do
A - Sorry to hear. Newer EB's certainly have been upgraded, but there certainly is no guarantee that this won't happen again.
@@8020Media yea that’s what they are saying as well they are much better but if i’m getting the same mileage and not living at the gas station then i will jus go wit the 5.0 since that engine is jus much more reliable
@@8020Media and i’m jus goin to be useing the truck for jus loading up the trunk wit stuff and jus carrying a lot of ppl and jus normal everyday driving i will almost never or maybe once in a a while tow
A - It all depends on your vehicle needs/wants as well.
@@arshviratwal5081Agreed 100% brother
Ecoboost is the way to go for a daily driver and if you tow. 5.0 is the way to go if you’re hitting the track. Ecoboost is no slouch with a tune, but is nowhere near the same county as a boosted gen 3 5.0 in the 1/4.
Twizz - Well put. Thanks for the insight!
If you’re wanting a race truck you might want something that weighs less than 5k pounds!!!
The turbo is way faster than the 5.0 tuned. 125 hp with a tune for the turbo. Not even half that for the V8.
@@brettyoung1659 yes but that’s almost all you can do with the turbo. The 5.0 on the other hand you can add full bolt-ons and then add boost. The fastest 5.0 crew cab in the world runs 8.8’s in the quarter. Fastest Ecoboost runs a 10.2, not really a comparison!
@@TwizztifyYou're looking at supercharged 5.0s, not the same
All you ford guys I need your opinion I’m in the market end of this year for full-size pickup I have a ram 4th gen with hemi love it and keeping it I’m retired and relocating to jersey shore area from Staten Island I’m gonna need a daily driver was thinking of f150 never had one what one whould be best as a daily driver probably gonna put on 60 to 100 miles a day want 4x4 don’t no if I should go with 5.0 or one of the turbos of course I’ll be keeping the truck five or more years no towing or construction work anymore any suggestions appreciate your opinions thank you
M - We hope this video helps with your research! If it were us, we would probably go with 5.0, but the 3.5 is also great!
@@MrRockyko if you intend to maintain it yourself then the 3.5 is awesome, turbos need high quality oil and change every 3,000 miles
@@debbiemccluskey384 thank you I think I’m gonna go with 5.0
@@debbiemccluskey384 thank you I don’t want to do extreme maintenance like they say with turbos I’ll change oil every 5 to 6 thousand miles
i bought my 2023 3.5 ecoboost to pull my 23 ft camper , not to listen too .
N - Good point lol.
@@8020Media and with it,s superior torque the 3.5 out pulls the 5.0 , not that the 5 0 is a bad motor but it isnt the stump puller the 3.5 is
For a long term, the coyote is going to be more reliable. The 3.5 Eco Boost is stronger, but if it is abused , you are not gonna like it.
Jorge - Very true.
That goes for any engine you abuse.
Agreed 100%, I have a 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 161,000 miles on it and still going strong and its a beast and it sounds like a beast with the Borla ATAK exhaust on it as well.
The 2-4k extra u would pay for the turbo and upgrades it’s the same $2-4k u would pay for the f150 roush kit or any other type of supercharge.
Ozama - Also a viable option. Thanks for the input.
Where are you finding a roush supercharger for 2-4k
The roush kits I’ve found ranges 7-10k before install.
Not a supercharger but you can get a full turbo kit for a 5.0 for around 3500$ supercharger are easily 6500$+
Thanks so much for this detailed review and to those who have added their comments!! You really covered alot of my questions! I have a question regarding heat sink from the engine to the transmission based on hauling a pop up truck camper. I am focusing on a 2021-2023 F150 with Heavy Duty Payload Package and 3.73 gears to haul a truck camper. Will the 3.5 engine result in consistently higher transmission temperatures versus a 5.0 with the same gears hauling the same load and dealing with wind load, etc.? I am really curious if the naturally aspirated engine with less torque might cause more tranny shifts and higher heat or if the 3.5 will run hotter under load or run cooler due to more torque in response to a light foot and thus result in cooler transmission temps under constant loads? I honestly don't know how each powertrain might respond to me hauling such a load in hilly terrain and with the camper on. Since I only do this on weekends I don't want an F250 or larger and the F150 with HDPP has a proven track record with other camper owners. I currently have a beautiful 2022 Power Boost XLT Crew Cab with 6.5 bed which is a phenomenal truck in so many ways but I plan to trade it as its load is very low payload on the yellow sticker...1360 pounds. Similar crew cab F150s with the HDPP can legally haul 2360 to 2889 pounds based on XLT versus XL and options. Thanks in advance for your time and opinion!!!
Same question. I want to put a truck camper in bed and tow snowmobiles. My total payload (including tongue weight) will be about 2200 lbs plus trailer weight of about 3000l bs. I am looking at 2023 F 150 with HDPP (total GVWR 7850)- do I go with 3.5 ecoboost or V8 engine? It will also be my everyday vehicle.
i think the newer 3.5 ecoboosts have the problems worked out of them. that being said I have a 2.7 my brother has a 3.5 and my dad has the 5.0 and so far the 2.7 is the best all around reliable with tons of low end torque especially with a tuner the 5.0 tows good to but has to rev hard where the 2.7 loves to lug. but the 3.5 will out tow them all lol they all really are good trucks just avoid certain years of the 3.5
3.5 putting out more power than old 7.3
B - This is true!
Lots of my co-workers have F150s with most having the EcoBoost...a few have had turbos fail under warranty, none have had any issues out of the 5.0s other than one lost a water pump at 60,000 miles...
Thank you for the comment and insight! Unfortunately, that can be the nature of turbos and turbo engines. Certainly a few extra components that can and do fail occasionally. However, most modern turbochargers are very reliable and given your co-workers early turbo failures it seems like they were just flukey manufacturing defects (or maybe some were modded/tuned?) We haven't seen or heard of many turbo failures that early on the EcoBoost engines but it does become a bit more common as they reach the 100,000-150,000+ mile mark.
i have been driving 3.5 ecoboost trucks since 2011 ...not one frigging failure at all , the haters are just v8 lovers and most know nothing about todays turbo charged v6,s ...the v8 is disappearing guys , accept it .
They probably don’t change there oil on time , I’ve had mine for 4 years and havnt had an issue other then the exhaust manifolds leaking, I’ve always had v8s but from gm and always had lifter and cylinder issues due to the v8 to v4 stuff most v8s have
Juan - Thanks for sharing your insight! This will definitely help future viewers.
@@northlander4370The question will that Overpriced EcoBoost F150 of yours outlast my 1996 Ford F150 with a 5.0L (302) Windsor V8? Also if the EcoBoost is so good, so tough and durable, and so superior in every way then howcome Ford used the 6.8L and 7.3L Godzilla V8s in the Super Duty as base gas engines and not the 3.5L EcoBoost V6? Also why did Ford use the 5.0L Coyote V8 in the Mustang GT and not the 3.5L EcoBoost V6 nor the 2.7L EcoBoost V6? Also will the EcoBoost make it to a million miles like the 4.7L I-Force V8 in the Toyota Tundra did?
Which is more reliable.
A - On reliability, we'd probably say the 5.0.
Most valuable info was information on 3.5 was changes made in 2017+. Owned a 2013 and thought I was done with 3.5. Good choice on Sea Dog shirt. They’re great shirts!
Jim - We totally agree! Thanks for sharing your insight.
Both are junk sorry ! Turbo engines are high strung and don’t last. My RAM TRX is supercharged 6.2 litre pushrod hellcat engine putting out 702 hp and 650 lb ft of torque . 106,000 so far and no problems . Solid !
L - We get you aren't a ford guy, however, they are not junk. They can be very solid engines. Difficult to compare either to a TRX engine lol
I’ve got a 2013 with the 3.5 ecoboost. I absolutely love it’s power, I’m totally fine with it’s quiet sound and it performs very well. However, I just found out my engine was not well maintained before I got it and I’m looking at a complete new engine because it’s timing chain is stretched and needs changed, and there is so much sludge inside the engine that the mechanic won’t touch it after doing this job on several other trucks with similar sludge build up that seized up on the test drive after timing chain replacement. He’s a certified ford mechanic who’s done dozens of them, but apparently when they’re poorly maintained they don’t respond well to timing chain replacement. So, I’ve got a very large bill coming up to replace the entire engine. 🤦♂️
I love the performance enough I plan to put a new engine in and keep the truck.
H - So sorry to hear this.. However, we do appreciate you taking the time to share your experience.
That's sucks, how do you plan on keeping the truck?
@@CJColvinI ended up having a complete new engine put in. I have a Lubrico warranty which pitched in about $3300. It still cost me $12,600 ish after tax. My truck is from out west (British Columbia/Alberta) and the body is very clean so I couldn’t replace it for less than a new engine. Now I have a clean truck, with a brand new engine and 3 year/unlimited mileage warranty. Given I couldn’t get that for the same money buying any other truck I decided to go for it.
I saw into the top end of my old engine and it was astonishing how gunked up it was. Like 1/4” thick heavy sludge everywhere. It made me understand why the mechanic didn’t want to replace the timing chain only.
Now I’m back on the road and all good. 👍🏼
@@Hodderville Thats good
Who paid this guy to say this? I have a 13 V-8 and my buddy has the 3.5 ecoboost of the same year and we both like the V-8 better. The ecoboost MIGHT get 2mpg better but ask it to tow something and you will wish you had the V-8. You can eco or you can have boost but you can not have both!
82 - We didn't get paid, lol we wish we did. We make these videos to strictly inform and let others make their own opinions based on facts. Not everyone is going to agree because their wants and needs may not be the same as ours.
Do you still recommend a FMIC upgrade for the 3.5 Ecoboost if all I plan to tow is a 20’ bass boat every weekend? About 3500lbs with double axle trailer
L - It's not a must, but we have some more info in an article on our website: tuningpro.co/f-150-3-5-ecoboost-intercooler-upgrade-guide/
We hope it helps!
Now I have a question, if the EcoBoost is so good and so much better than the 5.0L Coyote V8 in everyway then howcome Ford made the 5.0L Coyote V8 in the F150 in the first place? Also why did Ford made the 5.0L Coyote V8 in the Mustang GT and not the 3.5L EcoBoost V6 nor the 2.7L EcoBoost V6.
The Coyote is a great engine don't get us wrong - reliability it wins over the EcoBoost. But why do they still offer it? Because some customers still want a V8 when they buy a "muscle car" like a Mustang GT or a they buy a truck because it makes it a "real" truck. Gives the consumers options which gives you a larger target market...they put the 2.3L in a base Mustang tho. Why not the 3.5L? Because then the GT wouldn't stand out as much above the base model.
@8020Media True, though if the EcoBoost has got so much Torque than any V8 in its class then why did Ford use both the 6.8L and 7.3L Godzilla V8s as base gas engines in the Super Duty and not the 3.5L EcoBoost V6?
@CJColvin you have got to be kidding.
I use to be a big v8/5.0 guy but honestly much rather have the 3.5 or 2.7 ecoboost. After driving and pulling with both, the ecoboost out performs the 5.0 in every way. The 5.0 struggles to pull a trailer at anything less than 3k rpm. The ecoboost will chug along at around 2-2300 rpm. Also not a fan of how noisy the 2018+ 5.0 is. It makes all kind of knocking noises from the direct injection I believe. They also have timing issues just like the 3.5 but no one likes to talk about that. My friends 2019 5.0 just had the same phaser issues as the 3.5. The turbos are a concern but it really the first gen ecoboost had the bad turbos. I’ve noticed the newer ones seem to be far more reliable. It terms of reliability, I think they are both pretty even. The 5.0 just isn’t a good truck engine. They need to drop the 6.8 v8 in the f150 because it produces power at a lower rpm. The 5.0 doesn’t start pulling until 4K+ rpm which is great for going fast or having a race truck but for work, it’s not ideal. I wish they would focus on getting lower end torque rather than a high revving engine. Both engines are good but like I said, ecoboost is a great pulling engine plus great unloaded fuel mileage. 2011-17 I’d go 5.0 or 2017-current I’d go ecoboost. 2017 was the first year of the gen 2 ecoboost and last year of the gen 2 5.0 which was the most reliable version of the 5.0 in my opinion. I still know people that have had to have 5.0s replaced with less than 100k miles. I just get annoyed that the hardcore 5.0 guys can’t accept that they do have problems and just refuse to admit it. No engine is perfect.
ATV - Thanks for taking the time to type out such valuable insight. This will be very helpful for future viewers!
I change the oil in my 5.0l every 5k with synthetic oil this reduces a lot of potential problems.
Barry - Absolutely agree. Thanks for sharing your experience!
You are well aware of the problems with the five oh, and we both know how the v8 crowd will not admit any of those issues, they are just stuck on the wet fart exhaust note😝
@@barrymantei7795 how often do you change the oil? Any particular brand you prefer?
You missed the fact that the newer series of 5.0V8 incorporates the cringe-worthy 'cylinder deactivation.' This has never panned out for engine reliability no matter the manufacturer. Honda, GM, Ram.... all have had lifter and cam issues as a result and problems with engines becoming 'oil-burners.' No Cylinder Deactivation for me - ever - if I can help it.
T - This is correct. Thanks for the added insight.
What year did they start doing that?
X - 4th Gens. 2021+
2.7 all the way! Had the 5.0 and dont miss it one bit.
B - Thanks for sharing your experience! What happened with the 5.0?
I just prefer the more linear power delivery of the 2.7 and better mpg. Plus the 5.0 needed to be revved up so much more before it started making power. And it was a 1st gen so it had the cylinder issue. Don't get me wrong, I have the road runner in my boss 302 and its a amazing motor, basically Just a souped up coyote version. Or some people say they where the test mules for the second gen coyote. The 5.0's are great muscle/sports car motors. But I just dont think it's the best truck motor. Just my opinion tho
Zeus - Everyone has their own opinions, nothing wrong with that at all! At least you have first hand experience with both and can actually give insight as to why you prefer one over the other!
@@zeuscasey How does a turbo engine have more linear power delivery than a n/a one...
@@djkjthe3rd185 real simple, the coyote is a high reving v8. It has no torque down low. Where the turbo vs has almost instant torque all thr way through the powerband. The coyote really needs to get up in the rpms to do anything like towing. It's not a truck motor. Ice towed with both, and the turbo v6 blows it away in every aspect
2016 f150 with the 5.0
I absolutely love it! Plenty of power and rock solid. I’m not trying to see how fast I can get somewhere. I just want to get there and not have big $$ for repairs when something 💩 itself.
John - Thanks for sharing your experience. Everyone is held to their own opinion.
Zac, the 5.0 has plasma transfer wire arc cylinder liners. You have any info on durability of these cylinder walls?
There’s a lot of chatter online about the PTWA topic and there seems to be mixed answers. But I think this thread could be very beneficial to your research: www.mustang6g.com/forums/threads/fyi-coyote-5-0-plasma-transfer-wire-arc-cylinder-liners.113071/
@@8020Media thank you
Zac, does Ford use PTWA technology for their 3.5L block already as they do for 5.0L? I personally know people with 5.0L who have excessive oil consumption problem, while one even waiting for a engine replacement under warranty with less than 60k. Local Ford dealer mentioned that Ford if not already switched to PTWA technology for their 3.5L than will do so for the next model update. It’s a growing trend with most manufacturers to save a few pounds per block. Could you please confirm or deny if I pick up 3.5L today it doesn’t have block with PTWA liners in it. Thank you.
Mikey - PTWA is not currently used on the 3.5 EcoBoost, not sure about future generations. It currently features a compacted graphite iron (CGI) block.
@8020 Media 3.5 has an aluminum bock with iron sleeves. The 2.7 has the graphite iron block.
Bought the 3.5 litre. Piece of crap. After 2 years, fully serviced by the dealer, they tell me I need a new engine or rebuild. $7500 for the repair after 2 years. Never, ever will buy a FORD again. Absolutely useless warranty and engines.
What does it need a new engine for? I'd always take the dealerships word with a bit of caution.
@@8020Media Cam Phasers?
C - Yes. Very popular thing that goes wrong on the 3.5's.
Great analysis. Thanks
John - Thanks for the feedback! Glad we could help.
My 2014 3.5 overheats when towing 4k trailer. New radiator and thermostat and still hot when towing uphill. And a friend's 2018 overheats without towing. Does anyone have any answers?
Gary - Do either of you have upgraded intercoolers?
Take it to a shop duhhh
No replacement for displacement
R - Who doesn't love a good turbo..
I would love to find a 3.5 Ecoboost with 3k payload! What I’m saying is the highest payload I’ve seen on a 3.5 ecoboost is 1600 pounds.
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Lmao?
Actually, the 2.7 eco is the way to go.
S - To each their own! Do you have a 2.7?
@@8020Media I do. And I don’t have the cam phaser problems (or fear of) of the 3.5 or the less than stellar mpg of the 5.0. I avg 20mpg in town and get 14mpg pulling my racecar. But I get it it, different strokes for different folks.
yeah we have all 3 engine in my family and the 2.7 is the best although nothing wrong with the 3.5 or 5.0 its just the 2.7 is like jack of all trades type of thing
How come nobody mentioned the coyote tick
B - We didn't want to focus common problems in this video. Strictly comparing the two. We have a common problems video on the Coyote if that's what you're looking for: th-cam.com/video/x2sViNd2R-w/w-d-xo.html
I own a 2018 XLT with the 3.5 eco boost. I continue to be impressed with its responsiveness, amount of torque , as well as the ability to tow heavy loads without having to down shift continually. Admittedly it doesn’t sound as good as the coyote but real assured it’s just as quick maybe quicker.
W - Thanks for sharing your experience!
If you really thought about being quicker then the 5.0 is the way to go but that’s of course if you add a whipple supercharger to it.
Thanks for the information.
Rotting - Thanks for the feedback and your continued support!
I need your reply! I'm looking to purchase a3.5 ECO XLT and will be towing a1,400 lb square teardrop trailer.
Are you asking if a 3.5 can tow 1,400 lb? This video should answer your question: How Reliable is the Ford 3.5 EcoBoost? | 3 Common Problems
th-cam.com/video/4n4V3V4gTXA/w-d-xo.html
Brother, a teenager on a 21 speed mountain bike can pull 1400 pounds in low gear.
I’ve owned both in F150’s, 15’ XLT 5.0 and 18’ Raptor 3.5 HO. The 3.5 is definitely better overall, much more low end. Even with 35’s I get about the same mpg in the Raptor as the 5.0 XLT so the eco boost is better on gas w the 10-speed.
D - Thanks for sharing your experience!
V8 for me.
Irish - Everyone is held to their own opinion. The V8 is also a great engine!
Ill elaborate: Any forced induction creates more pressure,heat and wear. I keep by trucks long term and no turbo goes long term. Cam phaser issues, timing issues seem to plague these engines. Give me a ls V8 and I’m good.
Can definitely be true.
my local dealers trucks all come with stop/start disabled... now how about cylinder deactificatin (afm/dfm )or whatever they call it does either 3.5 0r 5.0 not have it I don't want it and I dont want to drive around in sport or tow all. the time
Tom - The 3.5 EcoBoosts don't have cylinder deactivation. However, 2021 and newer 5.0 Coyotes do have cylinder deactivation.
I know it's been awhile but check out auto stop start eliminator.. about $100 for OBD plug and play. (no affiliation).
How many 3.5 EcoBoosts have been produced compared to the 5.0?
H - Not a clue. But a lot of both, why?
@@8020Media No particular reason. Just wondering what the production numbers are for each engine. This seems to be a difficult question to answer.
I’d love to see Ford build a stroked version of the coyote , KING Coyote with a 5.6 litre engine tuned with around 600hp & 655nm or 484ftlb as a base to start with.
The mustang gt350 comes with a 5.8
5.2 voodoo engine .
Bruce - This would be pretty sweet!
Yeah I’d really like to see Ford build big capacity 32 valve : 4cam engine with a 6.5 to 6.7 plus litre engine so it has not only great horsepower but massive torque .
Which one is cheaper to repair, though?
Neil - Is this a rhetorical question?
If I was looking to eventually build the engine after warranty and stuff … is the 3.5 still a better platform?
Shaun - It depends. The 5.0 Coyote may be more reliable being built, but the 3.5 EcoBoost would be able to put out more power easier.
If you're willing to build the motor with a few thousand dollars... Then absolutely not. The 5.0 with boost will put out way more power than the 3.5.
Ill take the 2.7 Ecoboost, better engine than both of them
W - Everyone is entitled to their own opinion! 2.7 is also very stout.
Agree, I had one without an issue for 7 years, the power of the 3.5 is better for showing off and towing!
The 3.5 EcoBoost is garbage on a maintenance scale. I would rather have reliability vs the little difference in numbers. (A mechanic perspective)
D - Thanks for the added insight.
Define "BETTER". It means something different to everyone. To me....it means an engine that will be relatively trouble free for 250K. That's all. I had a 2014 EcoBoost, and then three 5.0's Love the 5.0 and am in a 22 F150 with it now. I am planning on taking this one to 250k and beyond.
R - That's the point. Better is subjective. We supply the facts for people to base that opinion off of and what fits their wants/needs.
Me old ‘72 C10 BBC will 💩all over either one! I guess most F150 drivers think they are hotrods because they see me crawling around in my old truck and here they come. Funny how my exhaust note doesn’t let them know don’t eff with me.
T - Sounds like a pretty sweet truck!
LoL, it's so funny that all the comments are reaching for why the 5.0 is better even though this video laid out the 3.5 is almost better in every way. Even gas mileage. "But... But.. the 5.0 sounds better. So, I guess because it sounds better, it's a better trade off for less power, less speed, less gas mileage, less towing, oh... And it's the engine from the Ford GT... 2011 f150 Ecoboost which have destroyed the 5.0 and even raptors
Jon - Everyone is held to their own opinion, regardless of who’s is strongest. But the facts are the facts!
Everyone has their own opinion just like your comment!! ive owned both the ecoboost and the 5.0 but i stick with the v8 just what i like
Sensitive much?
The Coyote is easily better. GEN2 + Coyotes are forged engines, where Egoboost is not, (other than maybe a FGT Egoboost) and as such a Coyote is capable of handling much higher HP levels as such. The Coyotes in F150 are flex fuel, where Egoboost is not factory flex fuel so to run strait E85 or meth costs a fuel system upgrade with Egoboost, but not Coyote F150's, as you can run strait E85 in a stock Coyote truck if you wish. To build a Egoboost longblock capable of handling the type of HP that a Coyote with a blower will put down, you're going to be spending more than the costs to put a blower on a Coyote, especially when you factor in the supporting mods like the fuel system, I/C, bigger turbo's, etc that would be required to produce, and safely support those HP levels from an Egoboost. Besides even a light bolton/tuned on E85 GEN3 Coyote truck is nothing to half step to. People have managed 10's with N/A 18+ RCSB trucks without even breaking loose a valve cover bolt, and I know of an 11.35 from a bolton/tuned/E85 19 5L 2WD crewcab truck, so even a tune Egoboost truck rockin noticeably more than OEM boost better come correct. Particularly if messing with an 18+ Coyote truck running a tune from OZ, AML, LundRacing, 5 Star, etc.
Like some say, you can’t fix stupid 😝
2nd gen 3.5 Ecoboost is the way to go!
Scolson - A great engine indeed!
My apologies for the long rant..
Here’s the short rant
If you keep your trucks for 5 years and 60,000 miles and then trade them away, the eco boost engines might be OK.
If you keep your trucks for 15 years and 150,000 miles… simpler might be a better choice.
The younger mechanics love the eco for performance but accept that they may need more maintenance.
Older mechanics consider lower maintenance and repairs worth the trade off for less race car acceleration. And the V8 does struggle in the mountains… but still “ should” have fewer failures.
J - No need to apologize! Thanks for adding all of this valuable insight. It will certainly be helpful for future viewers.
Except oil consumption issues might make your day a whole lot worse. Plenty of people having to replace their engines.
Ecoboost - weak engine on steroids. We all know what steroids eventually do to the body over time. Go natural every time.
97 - Thanks for sharing your opinion. Both engines are very solid and everyone has their own opinion.
that’s a great way to put it 🔥
Great video !! 👏🏽👏🏽
Bass - We always value your input! Thanks again for the support.
Let’s start the comparison from a different perspective… and build the engines up from simple to complex…
V6..vs ..V8…. Good platforms…each with pros and cons…. Certainly in this form the v8 should produce more power.
And NEITHER has an advantage with fuel economy as at highway cruise speeds.. you need the same horsepower ..to push the SAME body..with the the SAME wind resistance ( drag) through the air…. .. so the diff is initial acceleration… without turbos… the v8 has more power.. so better accel…
But add the twin turbo and you get ONE set of advantages … and you get a PILE of DISADVANTAGES…
Eco boost
Initial race car acceleration… sure
Acceleration up to cruise speeds … is a wash unless you are racing … then the eco wins
Initial acceleration under heavy loads ( towing) is a wash as both engines will suffice , unless YOU ARE RACING…. both will get their loads to 60 mph…
The “ Real Ernest Advantage with the Eco is “ IF YOU PULL LOADS AT HIGHER ELEVATIONS”… think Denver and the mountains… then it is true that the eco has the ability to push A LOT MORE AIR INTO THE COMBUSTION CHAMBER… so it does produce power
“ better” at higher elevations… this ( to me is where the “Normally aspirated V8” has a disadvantage as the V8 will be less able to produce power because all engines need FUEL …AND…AIR… IN… CORRECT PROPORTIONS…. less air means less fuel means less power… but only at higher elevations…or very very hot days. ( hot days = equals thinner air.. so same problem)… so IF YOU TOW HEAVY LOADS IN THE MOUNTAINS… then maybe the eco is your platform
BUTTTTTT !!!!
The turbo system
1) adds complexity
2) adds heat
3) more parts… to fail
4) more money to fix
My choice has always been simpler engines unless I NEED power at altitude.
My 2003 F150 4.6. ( small V8). Manual trans, manual 4x4, extra cab… only 150,000 miles.The paint is peeling and there is some rust… and I have had to replace both front brake hydraulic ( steel tubes) lines… due to failure under hydraulic pressure… .and all ball joints..Ford ball joints are THEFT…they suck… too soft and no grease fittings..
BUT.. ORIGINAL ENGINE…. I’ve replaced …plugs, starter, alternator, battery and a/c compressor… engine fine..doesn’t burn oil or make noise… ORIGINAL CLUTCH… ( will need one in the next 10k) ORINAL DRIVE TRAIN… ALLL PARTS…. GREAT TRANNY GREAT REAR GREAT EVERYTHING…. Simplicity.
SIMPLER engines unless you do a lot of work at various altitudes… then turbos have value..
How dare I say this.. do I know what I’m talking about?
I was
the Director of Flight Training for a small airline.
Training Program Manager for a large simulator training operation
I trained the instructors… for a college aviation training program
I currently fly multi million dollar aircraft and I both Receive formal refresher training and GIVE training In these aircraft.
Smaller aircraft engines “ mostly” look like the VW engines… four or six cylinders horizontally opposed.. ( look it up)… the basic engines DO NOT HAVE TURBOS… because turbos fail and cause failures…. some of the more expensive aircraft do have turbos to help with performance and higher altitude cruise… ( and for better initial acceleration and climb performance at high altitude airports..Denver)….
You can chose the Eco… so far the complaints appear to be low..
I chose the simpler engine, give away some performance and expect an engine that will last 25 years… my 4.6 is on track….
J - Thanks for taking the time to add all of this valuable insight. It will certainly be helpful for future viewers.
5.0 isn't a simple engine. Both 5.0 and 3.5 have one common issue aka cam phasers but the 5.0 has oil consumption issues that are just as common as the phaser rattle in 3.5s
Ok neither engines are “ simple” compared a 1969 anything…
Cam phasers… got it…. Most often identified ( blamed on poor oil choice or oil not changed often enough)… 5.0 oil consumption the TSB says that the dipstick was wrong… and that the oil was being “ overfilled”… causing “initial “ oil consumption until the “correct” oil level “ equalizes”…. Ok this could be BS… AND TOO MUCH OIL ..can be a very bad thing…
But twin turbo,,, is TOTALLY asking for trouble. … sure , we can wait for 5 to ten years and see if the Eco costs less to maintain…
I choose to stay away…. One of my neighbors has a ‘17 eco…. No problems… but it’s five years old…. My f150 is a 2003 4.6…21 years old and no problems…. Deciding on one’s priorities and budget is part of the equation…. @@Sp3rmWizrd
@SOLDbyYOU Choose whatever you want, ecoboost account for 65% of f150 sales and the only issues you'll ever hear about with f150s are oil consumption issues, cam phasers, and tranny issues, The 2.7l is the least problematic engine out of the lineup and I've seen some 200k mile trucks out there with that engine. End of the day a naturally aspirated engine should last longer but nowadays turbos are pretty reliable. Ecoboost have been around for a while now.
Ryan - Thanks for sharing this insight!
I've owned both. Here we have L/100 km as a measure of fuel economy. Lower number is better.
On highway the evoboost can hit 10L/100kms. My driving style I get 13L/100kms. Now with the 5.0L we were getting 14L/100kms highway the very best I ever got was 13. In the city it was closer to 15 so a significant efficiency upgrade.
As for overall performance. This Ecoboost is one of the fastest cars I have ever driven. I haven't driven "super cars" but I have driven GT cars and I mean it's a truck....
A - Thanks for sharing your first hand experience!
The 3.5 power advantage has nothing to do with the motor lmao it’s the twin turbos…
Brandon - Not quite sure what you're getting at here. The twin turbos are a part of the motor. Can you explain this more
@@8020Media It’s not that’s why there’s “naturally aspirated” and “forced induction”.
I get what you're trying to say - the turbos aren't part of the block/heads/internals/yada yada. But if the turbo's aren't considered part of the motor then the 3.5 EcoBoost is a naturally aspirated engine featuring forced induction. And the 5.0 Coyote is a naturally aspirated non-FI engine. If the turbos aren't part of the motor then every single motor is naturally aspirated, right? Doesn't make sense.
Here's how I'm reading what you're saying: "the 3.5 ecoboost motor doesn't have 400hp because the turbos aren't a part of it. It only has 400hp because it has turbos on it so the 3.5 ecoboost really isn't that powerful but the turbos are powerful but the turbos are used with the 3.5 ecoboost so it actually does make 400hp" - yeah I'm confused too.
The engine has turbos and therefore it has a power advantage. Maybe that is a better way to phrase it for you.
@@8020Media Maybe, which one is more reliable?
EcoBruce what a total Deuce!
No thanks!
Able - It's not for everyone.
Turbo gas motors are not for work trucks. We need tools that need minimal maintenance, ready to go with new oil twice a year. Turbo motors are not for work trucks.
Everyone is held to their own opinions, but yes, as a work truck, the 5.0 would probably be the best option.
I guess my 2015 3.5 EB F150 didn't get that memo. 193k on it and used hard as a work truck. Regularly tows over 8,000lbs with a 1000lbs of tools in the box. Everything original on the engine and transmission.
This video is total bullchit! I have two buddies that work in Ford service and they both say the 5.0 is far and away a better engine, they hardly ever see a 5.0 in for repair but its not uncommon for an Ecoboost engine to need repair
Jeffrey - So this video is BS because it goes against your opinion? Everyone is held to their own opinion.
Ha! If you read my post its not even my opinion, its the opinion of my two friends that are Ford tech's
@@jeffreyhall838 shut the fuck up man is your opinion be a man and recognize your shitty comment
@@jeffreyhall838 I know a few techs who only vouch for the 6.2 and 5.0 and I know a few who said the Ecoboosts are great engines.
Jared - Thanks for this insight!