FREEWING A6 INTRUDER CRASHED -MY FAULT- by Fat Guy Flies RC
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ธ.ค. 2022
- Well I hate to leave 2022 on a sour note but I messed up. I CRASHED my A-C Intruder from Freewing on its second ever flight. I at first blamed Freewing for the aileron detaching, but after a post mortem in the shop I discovered a short caused my me putting a screw through the rudder servo lead. This lead had exposed wires to the metal screw and I am guessing the vibration building from the first few flights worked the wires to were they starting touching the metal. This made the rudder suddenly deploy to the left and I believe I over compensated in a panic causing the stall into the ground . If I had more altitude I may have been ok but this was 15 feet off the ground and I had just given her full take off power.
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Well what a way to end 2022 with a great flight followed by disaster!
100% tip stall. You was lucky it didn't happen the first two times.
I also discovered a short in the rudder servo lead where I screwed through it. it was the type of mistake that took some time and normal vibration to set the time bomb off.
I feel your pain. I'm the guy that crashed 3 70mm F16's on their maidens never flew before thinking, I got this. They did not live 30 seconds each. Now I hand toss a 64mm F22 and she's been a beauty. I'm happy with a less powerful RC.
We all have to live and learn. But if we don't learn then it truly was a loss.
It looks very much like a tip stall due to a quick rotation not using the full length of the runway. I always go the full length of the runway on all my models as it doesn’t cost anything
Yeah this one of those hind sight is 20/20. if only I could roll back the clock and not treat her like a prop plane. I got careless. I also discovered a short in the rudder servo lead where I screwed through it. it was the type of mistake that took some time and normal vibration to set the time bomb off.
If you watch in slow motion you can see hard right rudder. I am pretty sure that was caused by the short.
@@BriNaCa regardless of whatever rudder input it was horsed off the runway too quickly, you can’t do that with jets. I’m aways amazed how pilot error never comes in to RC model crashes
So sorry to see this happen to you.Looking forward to the L-39.Thanks for sharing with us.
No worries. Thanks for stopping bye. The L 39 will be here Monday.
I was surprised the impact caused so much damage, it didn't go in that hard. It can be a tuff gig this hobby. I know you will get back on your horse. Thanks so much for your presentations during the year, I have really enjoyed your presentations, so many are sponsored so we never get an unbiased appraisal, this makes your offering so valuable. God bless, happy new year.
Crashing is part of flying. It WILL always happen. Everytime it goes up, there's a 50% chance it will land.
Thanks I really appreciate that. Crashing is just part of it!
I have this exact plane. I learned REAL quick that you cannot pull hard with very little air speed or else it will stall. The elevator acts like an "air break" when fully deflected at low speeds.. almost cost me the plane during maiden. MUST be gentle on elevator when taking off or making steep turns.
Yeah I should have dialed down the throws on the elevator.
The deformation in the foam can be relieved by placing the compressed sections in very hot water. Then glue it back together and repaint that repaired section. I rode EA-6B's in the Navy and they often had panels and areas with obvious paint repairs.
I will fly a a6 again .
Sorry about your plane my friend. I know how it feels. Flew my commander for 3 months with 1 pretty bad crash, then 2 weeks ago my last flight until probably April here in Pennsylvania I destroyed it. Pilot error practicing low inverted passes. Panicked, pulled up too hard to a stall then big time lawn dart. I'm so bummed the way my season ended too 🤨. Happy New Year and hoping for a better 2023. Better flying season too
Yes it is a money loss but I gained something far more valuable!!! I learned a good lesson. YOU CANT FLY edfs the same way you fly prop jobs. USE the whole dang runway, save the short take offs for the highwing stol planes.
Sorry Greg she was a good looking plane! I've already read that your going to put the power plant into your new plane at least not a total disaster. I'm wishing you and your family a very happy new year 🎉 and I will see you in 2023 your friend Marty from Canada 🇨🇦 🛩 🛩
Thanks so much! and happy new year to you and yours!
So sorry my friend. Just part of our hobby. Happy New Year. ✌
Part of rc flying. Just a reality you must learn from.
Jeff, will that’s terrible! Do you look up and see how much it’s going to cost to replace all them parts? Don’t forget to get the new extension cord for that Rudder that was shorted! Well on a sad note in 2022 but hope you have a Happy New Year in 2023! 🎉😊
Well I to get her back to full new condition it will require right at $300 well a new one is $359 so I will back off for a while and use the power system in a L39 ARF plus.
Sorry for your loss , better luck next time .
I learned from this mistake so not a total loss.
Gosh I can't stand it lol. 😫 The crashing part of the hobby hurts my heart, I have a Viper 70, and a FMS Yak 130 v2 I still hadn't flown for this very reason lol. Crashed into a tree with my beautiful Blitzwerks T28 after hours of prep on its maiden and so. I could be pro a body repair guy at this point, done more repairs then flying these days. Hope you get the chance to put it back together down the road, she was a beauty!
Happy New Year!
Part of rc flying. Thanks and it is important that you reuse these parts and learn from a crash. One of the reasons I show the mistakes on my channel. That way we all learn from them and It may save another pilot from the same mistakes.
Very sorry to see that ... - anyway, you made an effective troubleshooting. God bless and happy new year.
Thanks, you too!
Sorry about that Greg, I been there and know it hurts, especially with the more expensive planes. When someone at my field crashes I feel almost as bad as me planted one
Part of rc flying. If some says they never crash then 2 things are happening. Either they are lying or never flying!
Fat Guy.... Unfortunately we've all been there,,,I lost a FMS thunderbolt to a bad board last year. The cost of fixing it was almost as much as a brand new plane. I love the idea of recycling the good parts into another ARF though. ;)
Yeah my new L39 camo will be here Monday.!!
It's part of the hobby 😕
I wish you all a happy new year
Thanks
Nooooooooooo!.. So sorry. Thats a bummer. You'll fix her and have her going in no time... New fuse is only $70... Sorry brother... Will
After the post mortem I found a whole lot more than a new fuse. Nose gear, some servos wings , new drop tanks pylons needed a decal set....etc...etc....
Aww FG such a shame it’s a lovely plane but I’m sure you can fix it back up and yeah I found with a couple of mine that I’ve crashed they flew better after lol
Well I like them pristine for as long as possible, Bit the bullet and the replacement finally arrived today. But i have a bunch of spare parts now also.
5:04 oooh nooo😱😢😭😭
Yeah next jet gets the whole runway to take off!
Man that's rough.
I feel ya about the amount of coins you had shell out for her.
UGH!
Well I accept that I am burning the money the moment spend it. Its like trying to gamble responsibility (if that's possible) you going into it know your going to loose money.
that's to bad gregg, much respect for the honesty, its a shame these suppliers don't help you like they do the sailors and phillips, as many videos as you do with your own money, take it with a grain of salt my friend
Well I learned from this so it was a good experience after all. lesson here: use the whole dang runway to take off.
Tuff luck dude! Never take off soon i saw that coming. Tip stalled due tomlack of power. Especially on edf if you have run way use it don’t loose it
Yeah I got cocky!
That's too bad man. Jets are pretty nutty in general. They're a heart attack fest that's for sure.
True but when you get that perfect fly by or that grand sweeping dive that looks like an attack strafing run, well that makes the risk worth it!
@@FatGuyFliesRC yep, cuban 8 into a strafing attack dive. I just got a backup replacement for my freewing su-35. They're discontinued. I found out people started making STL parts for her 3d parts. I need to try to replicate her somehow. I want to get into plane building instead of flying. I don't trust the rate of inflation, overall cost of RC planes are too expensive and I want to compress the cost via 3d printing and scanning. The power to make your own planes is pretty important since you don't want to lose an discontinued favorites.
Oh no!
It happens. Thanks for watching.
@@FatGuyFliesRC thanks for sharing your hobby! Happy New year! All the best.
Sorrry for your loss. I haven’t seen anyone bring this up but you should check your lipo charge after every flight. You wouldn’t want to go up and have your battery die on you.
Great tip.
Sorry about your plane, but I am sure I have more crashes than you. You have a good attitude about it, and, I have watched enough of your videos to realize you are a good pilot.
I am now 80, have flown about 15 years, but I don’t own EDFs. There is a younger guy here who often gets me to buddy box his EDF, but I don’t land them, and usually don’t do takeoffs. Suits me fine, I will stick to my 3D planes, eflite 300 extra and Flex Innovations. Easy to takeoff and land, but, of course, you can get into trouble with them, and I have.
Carry on, you obviously enjoy what you do.
Thanks, yes i love it. I have the Ultimate 3d from Eflite but I am not much of a 3d pilot.
Awesome jet sound! Is the 9blade or 12blade fan?
12 blade, and thanks!
BUMMERS!
The EDF unit and ESC live on in a FW L39
Do your research lots of freewing planes have servos fail on new jet's and several other problems.. I had to get 3 new f22 fuselages sent because they kept coming damaged.. i would definitely go over that video footage and contact freewing to me it looked like defective equipment..
At the end of this video I did a post mortem and discovered a wire I had put a screw through that was a time bomb that went off in the third attempt of flight. It was the rudder servo lead that caused a sudden left rudder movement that caught me off guard and I over compensated with right aileron and caused a unrecoverable stall at low altitude.
I liked the vid but don’t “like” the video , crash’s suck ! For any reason, but glad you figure out why , so the wiring could be stuck somewhere else ?
Yes I could have rerouted it a little or taped it down. Not sure why I did not. Hitting a thumbs up has nothing to do with the content of the video it is wither you support the maker or not. I wish you tube made that more clear to people. anyways I appreciate you taking the time to watch regardless of what symbol you hit.
If my calculations are correct you flew the plane at a cost/rate of $68.30 per minute. 😊
Good troubleshooting job and a heads up for another thing to watch for when we do our builds.
Yeah I believe we can all learn from mistakes. That why I show the good AND the bad.
@@FatGuyFliesRC Amen to that!
Greg, I have spent a lot of time watching your take-off (with the crash) in Slow Motion and zoomed in using video editing tools - I could not see any issues with the moving surfaces - for what its worth (and it is no consolation - I know how you feel, I lost my XFLY A10 in about 2 mins after take-off on her maiden - complete right off - turned out I forgot to secure the battery and it moved forward into the nose) - the more I look it seems as if it was a tip stall - induced by lifting off too soon (no flaps) - I think all your damage was caused by the actual impact with the ground - However as you say you had indeed trap the Rudder wire and pinched it, IMHO - a Rudder fault would not cause the movements I saw on the video - I am sure other people have other views, I do feel for you and its one of the issue with the price one has to pay for the EDF Jets these days - $$$$$ - Sorry...
I agree 👍🏻 not enough airspeed on take off .. pulled up on elevator to soon and to hard … on the maiden I noticed pulled up to soon .. this time it got him 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Well it is only a true loss if I don't learn from it. After much reflection , it is true there was a bad wire time bomb but I also have rewatched the video multiple times and yes It was completely my fault. I cant keep switching from props to jets without also adjusting to their separate disciplines.
Oh no..
Part of rc flying.
Sorry bud. U will have it back in the air in no time. It will probably fly alot better than ot did
Well not for a while...
damn thats a shame...such a nice bird...
When I can afford it I will get another one.
I commented in your Eflite A-10 video that you were flying it very gently. Well, it looks like flying gently and turning and too much pitch in take-off with this jet is not a good idea!
Yeah I just got cocky and did not have anywhere near enough runway.
Get the speed up before take off ?
Yep, next time.
EASY repair! Some epoxy, 1.5 to 2mm cf rod, & an hour & be back in the air tomorrow! CA hinge the ailerons n fly!
I am walking away from the wreckage for a while . I will in the mean time use the power system in a ARF.
Man, that sucks sorry that happened, but you need to give Jets alot more time to build up more speed Haha you're taking off way to early and steep.
Yeah my fault.
@@FatGuyFliesRC it happens haha happens to the best of us. But, I know what it's like to crash and burn to haha don't matter how long we've been flying or how good we are it happens!
Can't win em all bruh!!
No But we keep going!!
I will pass on the crashing ! And just stick to flying 😆😆 if your crashing then something is wrong with the pilot 👨🏻✈️ or the mechanic 😂Lol 😂 sorry about that buddy 😢😢😢
Well here is was the pilot and a secondary build mistake that was bound to come into play at sometime.
So sorry to see this… but, at least pilots ejected safely. Ejection seats work. 😢
They never even broke a smile...lol
Why do you yank it off the ground. You need to build speed up
Because I got stupid and was trying to fly her like a prop plane.
hapend the same to me bust turning over and crasht i thing freewing planes are not the best
Well this one was pilot error.
runway has speed bumps
We've all had that walk
There is no flying without some crashes!
100 Tip stall. Didn’t build enough speed before takeoff
I also discovered a short in the rudder servo lead where I screwed through it. it was the type of mistake that took some time and normal vibration to set the time bomb off.
Oh I see what happen. It hit the ground. You can’t do that.
Yeah kinda hurts the plane...............LOL
Your takeoffs looked awfully slow to me as well as being too steep after rotation. I can’t see the control surfaces well enough on my cell phone to tell what they were doing. I always use takeoff flaps on my EDF’s and don’t horse them off the ground. I recommend more speed and less throw. I hope you get it going again without much expense.
Yeah I was getting complacent