WHY You Should Zenithal Prime Your Miniatures
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2024
- You've probably heard about zenithal, slapchop, etc. But what's the point, why do it? I'm here to convince you.
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Zenethal is how we were taught to paint in the 80s, with the first space hulk, we drybrushed genesteslers white over a black undercoat, then used really thinned down paints to colour them, pretty sure it was worm purple.
Slapshop before it was named Slapshop
Slapchop* 😂
@@B3457LY I think that's what they call it now, just someone else trying to reinvent the wheel, it was actually easier with the acrylic paints in the 80s, as they were less pigmented, now I have to water them down a lot more. . we used to also use burnt umber oil paints thinned down for running rust effects, and general weathering, and coloured inks for panel line shading, old staples of the airfix modelling community in the 80s, someone will probably give that a fancy name next ;)
@@johnfarscape I was just correcting @ag39944 calling it "Slap_S_hop"
@@johnfarscape yeah, me too.
But I'm glad it now has a silly name (slapchop, as others have said) as people now know what you're talking about, or able to search for tutorials, in fewer words.
I actually like the flat look of blocked in models. I paint my minis as game pieces so it gives them a similar look to my action figures from my childhood. My collection is also large, so simple blocked in flat colors allows me to get my models on the table faster. Given the opportunity costs, getting models on the table is what I'm after. But I can see how zen priming is a great technique for those who want more realistic details on their models.
Same here, I go for the bright candy look. Often using white as my primer coat to really brighten things up. If I'm going darker, I'll go black primer with a heavy dry brush white. Then block paint like you say. I try for a minimum of colors too. Like I've done Space Marines all blue, then red dots on the eyes, and a black gun. 3 colors. Nice and bright, looking like an action figure like you say.
Do you seal them with glossy? I've been doing semi gloss.
Yes sir. Me to.
painting 2nd ed 40k looks miles better over a plain white undercoat.
The trick that helped me with Slapchop/Zenithal highlighting is to actually not prime in black, but dark grey. If you do the classic slapchop - black primer, heavy drybrush with grey and then white on the edges, you can end up with a very dark miniature, which is a common complaint when people are trying out Slapchop for the first time.
Get yourself a dark grey primer, like Vallejo Panzer Grey or Army Painter Uniform Grey, then do a heavy white drybrush and slap on some speedpaints/contrasts. Saves you the time and makes your miniatures better looking.
Also don't be afraid to actually paint stuff that supposed to have lighter colors in very diluted white on top of the drybrush. Yellow and few other light colors don't like grey beneath it and often looks bad in darker places.
And final trick, 5 minutes extra work on some edge highlighting can elevate that slapchopped miniature even further.
“Tiny little mans” is one of the best descriptions I’ve heard for 40k minis, thanks Uncle Atom
The battlefoam container ship, maybe that was what was stuck blocking the Suez canal a few years ago. Someone was late to the 7foot scale tournament and paid for express shipping
Great information. I used to zenithal, until the mechanics of light finally just clicked. Now, that I understand light better, I simply start from my deepest shadow tone and work up to the highlights
That's the strategy for sure. Start with the darkest colors, and build up to the lighter highlights
I approve of you proposal of 32mm scale Battlefleet Gothic miniature ships.
Buy that point just build the actual ship
Another good thought from you, informative video. Yes, you taught me about Zenethal priming and I use it often. When going with opaque paints, I hadn't thought of using it to show the light source....hmmm...good thought. Case in point - my "not Zerg"...well "not Tyranids" either...OPR Alien Hives. Basically painted in Army Painter's fanatic line of purples, But a zenethal of brown base with bone on top would have worked very well. But you got me thinking...I'm in between some Not Zerg, I'm currently painting Space Dark Elves...using Vallejo color shifting paints. This was a situation where I wouldn't Zenethal because the color shift needs black to work against. But now I'm thinking of some other color to zenathal against next time. Great video, anytime someone gets me thinking along new paths, it is a good thing.
I use a Zenithal on every model, beyond that I’ve tried colored Zenithal, for example starting with a very dark brown prime then highlighting with a light brown.
Love your videos as always Uncle Atom!
I would also suggest doing a 50:50 mix of dark blue with black instead of 100% black black if you're going for a brighter (as opposed to grim dark/grunge) aesthetic. Your shadows will pop instead of being a black hole for the brighter colors you'll be using.
Thank you! Gonna check this out this weekend on some Iron Hands!
I love using Zenethal undercoats, and especially whenb not using black, my favourite at the moment is The Fang spray base and then Greyseer, then use transpratent paints over the top of that to block in all the colours if im doing a cold colour scheme, or using Zandri dust & wraithbone if I want a warm tone to the final mini .
It's also worth noting that a zenithal highlight CAN effect regular paint over the top as long as its not super heavy (which it shouldn't be if your using thin coats). Theres a reason some people use black primer, others white or grey. It can affect the saturation. Often if your doing a bright mini you start with white. It may be subtle, but a zenithal will lend a little but of a natural shade in those places. If you took two identical minis, one base coated white and the other black you will be able to tell, again, aslong as the paint isn't too thick, even if everything else is identical.
Indeed - that was kind of the point of the pa-chow to the “Understanding Underpainting” video I did way back before Contrast paints were released. Thanks for watching!
Completely agree with working using regular paints.
I'm currently painting a unit of grots with a dark grey prime, and a desaturated yellow drybrush as a zenithal highlight. Even after just 1 coat of paint, without manual highlights, there is already significantly less flatness in the model. It also makes the highlighting stage easier.
There is also the advantage of coverage. When working with a black prime, you will often need a lot of layers to get decent coverage. With a Zenithal, you have the advantage of dark shadows, and the easy coverage of a lighter undercoat where you want it.
I use grey. The main reasons is I find it hard to “recover” from solid black (when using lighter tones) and grey is a bit more forgiving in that area.
Also, Grey is just easier on my eyes. Not too dark like black and not too bright like white. It makes everything stand out and is a neutral enough color to take just about any base color you need.
Finding zenathal priming was a big step in me understanding light on minis better. Taking a reference picture of a zenathal prime has become a pretty standard part of my workflow these days.
As you said, if you are using one coat paints, a 2 or 3 stage zenethal as a base, will make the end result 2-3 times better in terms of contrast and detail.
Been using a zenithal highlight for years, learnt it from you 😂
Midwinter Minis painted a life-sized (or at least very large) Space Marine that was a leftover advertising piece for Dawn of War.
I was a thinker of “what’s the point, it’s getting covered anyway” but now I may try it and see, especially because I use more speed paints these days. So the jury is still out for me, but I will try it because you made some good points.
An extra benefit is that your zenithal primed minis look a little better than flat primed minis when you inevitably play with them before you finish painting.
I've been zenithal priming everything since like... 2017 or so (I got back into the painting hobby in 2016) and wouldn't do it any other way now. I don't stick to black and white though, many of my miniatures use purple instead of black because I find it's a great shadow colour for so many things. My BoC army (RIP) is almost entirely primed brown over purple, for example.
Hi again! I think I'll grab rattlecan of white to try this. I never heard of zenithal till I saw it on your channel this week. When I first started many years ago, I primed white but then I got "white holes" even when I was "done" painting. Love black cause I can get some gritty look to it, looks good and covers small hidden places so no "white holes". Watching videos to try and understand better.
100% use.
I might not even use it as a light/dark reference, but just to improve the visibility for figuring detail and "peaks and valleys" in the model.
One exception is for directional light - but I might still spray the "zenithal" colour from where I think light will b coming from. And yes, for sure black/white are not the only choices. I much prefer yellow over ivory, and warm greens over brown - especially organic surfaces.
Thanks a lot for the inspiration. So far, I was pretty fine without having extra highlights. But it is a very easy way to create a nice and plastic effect. I’ll give it a try on my next project. 😀
I always do it, it helps with the understanding of the shapes/details and shadows... even if you need to do metallics over, it is still a good base for the rest !
I use zenithal priming since my very first miniature. Started with dry brush and recently moved to rattle cans. Its one of my favorite steps on the painting process. So much done with so little effort.
Your older zenithal videos introduced me to this concept and that was the first game-changing technique that drastically overhauled my quality overnight.
The zenithal speedpaint/contrast paint with added highlights is literally the only way I paint now. As a dad in college its a huge time saver to allow me to paint minis to a tabletop standard quickly and most importantly in fun way.
I'm still pretty new to painting miniatures and I got into it via the Slapchop video, so I almost always use Zenithal highlighting and Army Painter SpeedPaints. I've found that in some cases, however, it's not very good for what I want. Larger models, like the wolves for my wolf rider models, seem to be big enough to provide their own natural shading in the underbelly and inner leg areas and darkening those areas with a black undercoat made them look too dark. Also, this technique can be challenging with the models arms are tight to the front or sides of the body. This makes it difficult to get a brush (I dry brush my highlights) in those areas that should get overhead light. For those, I end up having to dab a smaller brush to apply the proper highlight, but it can yield an inconsistent level of highlight relative to the rest of the model. I'm sure airbrushing removes that problem, I'm just not interested in moving into the airbrush space.
One thing I've found is that rattle can grey primer can be very dark and help you shortcut your highlights. Rather than priming black, the dark grey is dark enough to do the job of black and I can just do the white drybrush slightly more aggressively. The difference between a black/grey/white vs grey/white base on near-identical models was indistinguishable on the table.
I haven't tried slapchop yet but have been zenithal priming/base coating/highlighting, for ages. Still, this channel is one of my happy places and I enjoyed this one. I also realized I was missing something: black undercoat with zenithal basecoat out of an airbrush with some models (like those halo guys) would look awesome and I'm going to try that. Thanks!
Perfect timing for this. Just started trying to figure out how to do zenethal properly and having difficulty with trying to dry brush the light color without having the dark color overwhelm the contrast paint
Loved the video. Under painting and broken colour theory applies just as much to my hobby of painting on canvas .
I generally use a combination of black primed over with a thin layer of white from the zenith making mostly gray and shadows. Then I pick 1-3 focal points and push them into pure white. Usually the face, and/or weapons.
If the model is a character or iconic model with a cool pose, then I shift my zenithal to be more directional and not from straight up and down.
That being said, I will totally try the colored zenithal! I heard of some people doing a similar method. They would prime in a dark basecoat color then zenithal with a bright hue of magenta or yellow. This requires knowing color theory, but it makes your highlights look more saturated! As if you mixed in some ice yellow into your paints instead of white paint to.make them brighter.
I also like to do a zenithal coat of an under color to tint the speed paint/contrast. My Necrons get primed, all over dark silver, zenithal bright silver, then a brown contrast. It can really help the contrast pop. A yellow zenithal under a green contrast is also great for getting a more interesting highlight.
Thanks for the video. I've used zenithal on 28mm and I think it helped. I tried on 15mm WWII infantry and vehicles, but because of paint I was using I couldn't see much of an effect except to define shadow areas. If I can get some Army Painter Speed Paints in the military colors I need I may try again.
I haven't used it a lot, but I am getting into playing with underpainting. I've got the Krieg kill team set up where I did a reversal of it, I primed them a really light grey and did a cool dark red sprayed from beneath, to have some shadows to counter point the cool greens and blues I'm planning on painting them. I do have a set of Tau that I did a zenithal on before airbrushing the same blue as the ones I did the base coat on, and at least with the airbrush there's a noticeable difference in how that base coat came out.
I'm going to have to try zenithal highligting. I used to block paint with perhaps a wash or drybrush on certain areas, over a gray or white rattlecan primer, for my D&D character minis. Been trying the Army Painter Speedpaints the last couple of months, and it's taking some getting used to.
I tend to be one of those types who are resistant to using zenithal techniques, although I have definitely experimented with them. My own preference is to prime with a gloss or satin white, then do an ink wash, usually a dark brown by preference. This serves the same purpose of identifying highlights and shadows, and I think using a brown rather than a black gives a warmer and more saturated feel to the final appearance.
Finally started getting a good zenithal with my airbrush, and using contrast paints makes getting mobs on the table much faster. It's also helped me get PC minis blocked in with a quickness to start building up to a more complete look.
my only memorable use of this general technique was a reverse zenithal undercoat on a big bad Cthulhu DmD Black Goat model, where I sprayed it white first and then zenithal'd black from the top. the result was really odd to look at, it gave a kind of iridescent effect, that didn't actually end up really showing through in the final result, but was a cool bit of inspo for possible future projects...
Lately zenithal rattle can with a drybrush on top l is my go-to. Some things are classic for a reason!
I do a drybrush zenithal prime for my Necromunda collection. I go with three stages; a heavy drybrush of dark grey over black spray primer with no real thought of light direction, then a pale grey built up lightly on upper surfaces, followed by white only on surfaces I can see from directly above the model. The white layer makes for a transition withvthe greys that's pretty stark but I feel it suits the artificial lighting of a hive.
Zenithal fan here, even though I tend to use a traditional layered approach with opaque paints. One of the greatest benefits for me is that it makes detail way easier to see so I can plan the paint job better - big plus since my eyes aren't getting any better with age XD
I use this technique all the time, if for no other reason than it makes the detail of the model pop out a bit more when you come to paint it. I tend to do thinned out washes to overpaint (depending on the pigment of the paint - some colours don't cope well with being thinned). I find it works even better when you apply a bit of colour theory towards the dark and light tones - being mindful of how you are going to overpaint. The dark tones are less important; as our eyes tend to be less able to distinguish between very deep colours - but it's worth understanding the interplay between your major tones and the highlight as white can often be a poor choice that leads to everything looking desaturated. You might be better suited with something warmer like a yellow or orange or cooler in the green / blue / violet sort of space.
It does depend on the model. Most times I prime white, wash in black, purple or brown, dry brush highlights then attack with inks or Contrast Paint. If it's a predominately dark model or has way too many deep or under cuts, I'll prime black in sub assemblies then slap-chop a zenithal.
Personally, I find that with a 3000plus lumen desk lamp up close, the shades/highlights almost naturally occur without any techniques applied. But those same miniatures lit by regular ceiling light levels don't look half as good as when on the well lit desk. My painting level is fairly low, so I have not reached for thee dizzy heights yet
Zenethal/under painting all the way. As you said even with opaques to clue me into highlights and shadows.
I tend to:
Xenithal highlight plastic GW models (Blood bowl, space hulk).
Drybrush a harsh white to black on metal models for a sort of comic book look.
Prime white and then use washes to recess shade any models I'm painting to look like medieval marginalia drawings (a significant portion of my collection).
This is amazing advice. Zenithal made my productivity improve so much. I heard painters spending over ten hours on one model, and to use a phrase from internet past, "ain't nobody [me] got time for that". Plus, the shade paints even look better, in my opinion, after painting zenithal. Awesome video!
As I've gone from painting in my pre and early teens, through my 20's and now my 30's - the biggest asset for Zenithal priming is just the amount it saves my eyes when trying to see detail and clutter on some of the newer minis.
Tried it a while back & guessing I was so new to the hobby I was doing something wrong as painting the mini looked like it was just primed in a flat colour.
I will add to this with a strong recommendation even for those not into the zenithal highlights to lightly dry brush the mini with a lighter colour just to make the details easier to spot for the initial painting process.
Thanks for the video & I'll have to try it again plus going back at the end to just dry brush from top to bottom direction to paint in a little light on the mini.
Hey Adam This was a fantastic video I hope u have recovered from Covid U sounded a little out of breath Take care at Nova man Hope u r having a good time
Yep I’m a Zenithal convert, love your hobby tips!
I’ve used zenithal highlights on some of my 1:72 scale armor and troops. Really does make a positive difference.
I have tried zenithal priming for months, on hundreds of models. I have to say that it isn't just an easy no brainer operation. I have messed up more than have worked. But when it works, it works well.
I generally use some form of zenithal prime, even if to keep track of all the little bits and bobs that are on the model.
Getting real envious of all these folks getting a hold of the gencon editions of flashpoint while I'm still waiting to find out when I'll get my box 😂.
So I'm still relatively new to the hobby, but right now I have a bunch of stormcloaks for call to arms done with contrast and zenithal, and I'm finishing some scout Marines that I did with the "traditional" blocking method. I can really appreciate how much time it saves in the end. That being said, the scouts where a chance for me to teach myself something rather than JUST get them on the board and I still love how they are coming out (just not the fact that I've basically been building them for close to 7 months now).
Seven foot models would certainly increase my love of skirmish games.
Really recommended if you are doing zenithal priming to use an airbrush just recently got one and it works so much better than white rattle cans in my opinon not to mention they can also be super useful for other tasks like plasma weapon glow
I'm definitely gonna try this technique on my second griffin.
I don't do a white on black zenithal, but I do use a variety of shades of blue for the armour on my marines - from very deep blue to a much lighter blue for the highlights. It gives them a nice overall depth.
Great breakdown as usual, though going back to start back up some Bloodbound Khorne warriors I realized the subtle risk of zenithal, I thought I'd covered all the skin with some Crusader Skin, turns out I left massive grey patches under the arms lol
I am using a dark gray as base with drybrush of a mid brown and the hightest points with a small drybrush white. Then i use the speedpaints and after that highlighting with layer paints of citadel.
The models have a nice grimdark tone after that with warm midtones.
I normally do a black base and a zenethal with white ink. But last time in addition to that I used green ink as a base color for a Warsong Revenant (Sylvaneth) base and cape and green adapted its tone depending on if it was a zenethal region or a shadow one. That was really interesting to see.
I switched to black undercoat years ago when I realized any place I was unable to reach with a brush was likely to be black anyway…
These days I use varied styles depending on how I plan to paint the model.
If I’m doing opaque 3-color style, zenithal is just a waste of time IMHO. For contrast/stain style, it depends on how dark I want the final result to be. For very bright models, flat white still wins.
I base coat my models black then use a makeup brush to brush Monument Hobbies white primer on the models. This picks out all the details I’d have a hard time seeing when it’s all black, helps me pick out my colors to paint it, and it looks like I put more effort into them while they sit in my pile of opportunities
It works great for my Scuba Marines, but I find for Orks I gotta work up from black to get it how I want it.
Depending on the model, the concept I have for it and sometimes size; I usually Zenithal before I start painting. Or, I will do a Zenithal then go in with some more defined undersketching using whites, greys and blacks.
I tried zenithal many years ago but found that my painting style is so heavy (all my grimdark and battletech minis were overbrushed to begin with) that I couldn't see a difference. Also, I do prefer to prime on the frame and paint in subassembly, it that makes it rather difficult, but I salute others who find it useful.
I prefer the latter way of the air triads. Prime black with a spraycan (fast, no fuss), use the triad in a zenithal fassion, Basecolour on metals, enamel wash all over, wipe away as much as you like, Drybrush the sharpest edges and you get an amazing looking Modell in no time at all.
I use a zenithal, and I think I started because you recommended it in an early video.
Back in the old days we primed grey and washed black
I base coat in black. Then dry brush in light grey followed by white. Then use Army Painter Speed paints. I actually enjoy painting my miniatures this way, used to hate painting them.
Once you've learned the basics of zenithal priming and transparent paints, learn CMYK color theory and try using other colors for the zenithal. I love doing dark magenta then cyan from above. Great for when my main colors are going to be green blue and purple. Also great for doing smooth gradients.
Another benefit of Zenethal undercoating is that it gives the surface of the model a very subtle-fine grit, which helps later layers of paint stick to it better (especially when using thinner paints).
Cheers! :)
Yep, this works great. I generally start with ProAcryl Dark Neutral Grey or Mechanicus Standard Grey.
I dont zenithal because I don’t have an airbrush. But I do give a quick drybrush whether I’m going to use speed paints or not. Makes it so much easier to see everything and gives a good quick payoff of looking much better right away.
I love all Tabletop Minions videos!
Personally i stopped using the zenithal highlight because i felt building up from black was giving me better results. Maybe i was just trying to rely on the zenithal too much before. Also i cant get speed or contrast paints to work at all for me regardless of how i prime.
I use a zenithal/ slap-chop combo. Zenithal black to gray. Slap-chop white
I don't zenithal as much as dry brush white over black primer. It doesn't get into the areas that you want dark and you can use different brushes to hit the spaces you need to. Really helps on sisters of battle with how annoying those are to deal with.
I tried this on my tyranid army on which I used all contrast paints. But I used the mid to dark brown ones (wyldwood snakebite leather). Found it really didn't make much of a difference compared to straight white primer.
Oh, I really hope you do a review on Halo Flashpoint! I can't wait for ours to come!
I Zenithal everything now. Sometimes I go back to a project that is already primed, wishing I'd Zenithaled.
Potential follow-up video: Zen and the art of miniature painting. The connection between collecting and painting figurines and Bonsai has always seemed a fertile field for exploration to me but remains largely ignored as far as I can tell.
I always prime black and zenithal white to varying degrees on all my minis. Partly to save money so that I only need basic black primer, but mostly so I don't have to worry about getting paint into those deepest recesses no matter if I'm using regular paint or contrast.
I like a three stage, black to a lightish grey normal zenithal, and then white directly from above, or wherever you want the light source to be coming from.
ty 4 the video UA!! Love me some Zprime!!
It depends on the mini and the feel or look I’m going for if use a zenithal. Same with the the paints I use for zenithal. I sometimes will start black the a gray and then a wraith bone. I will use off white or white for the final highlights. If I’m using just contrast type paints. Other than that how I paint it just depends what I think it should look like. I strive for a higher table top standard. So my eyes are getting bad as I get older I generally don’t paint eyes anymore or highlight belt buckles and such that are not in lighted areas. .
In all honesty, I have tried it both ways and I find that it depends on your goals and what you are comfortable with. For me, priming is the least enjoyable part of the painting process and because of that I tend not to use zenethal priming. Having said that, it is definitely true that it adds depth and character especially if using contrast or speed paints
Almost all my minis nowadays start with a black to light grey zenithal, then I drybrush white in a top-down direction. It's 1 extra step, but really pops the highlights in preparation of my paints
Thanks that explained a few things for me.
Slap-slapety-chopping everything since probably a year or two ago now. Muuuch better results than before with just white + Speedpaints/Contrasts.
Can we elaborate on the 7" tall space marine collection, please, thanks
I have gave zenethal a go on a couple of Orruk Gutrippaz models from AoS shields with one paint of Mephiston Red, it looks good.
I may give the contrast method a go as I paint other parts of the Orruks.
So I have a Raven Guard KT. And I have no idea how to do their armour correct, because edge highlighting isn't my gig and dry brushing gives a rough texture. Any help from you Brothers?
Ive had a lot of recent success using a black to gray to white zenithal.
i've begun doing zenithal on my minis, and at first i couldn't tell if it made any diference. i can only notice any diference with Contrast paints :3
I'm gonna try it on some kill team terrain
I mean.... 7ft tall would still be a miniature since Space Marines are typically 8ft tall. So in the strictest definition it would be.
That or a short boy.
Black Prime.
45 deg reverse zenithal from underneath, dark browns or say a dark purple when painting blue.
45 deg quick lighter main colour like blue.
Straight from above white, quick shot.
Touch-up shadows and highlights "pushing" contrast.
Either airbrush over the whole thing or paint sections at a time with contrast/speed paint.
You can add edge highlights with more pigment rich paint as touch-up.
Let well dry, add gloss clear-coat and then weathering / decals and various OSL or NMM techniques can be played with.
A very matte clear coat can be applied, gloss may be needed over metallics or glass / lens or white surfaces.
If all this wasn’t enough to sell you (I was pre-sold myself), Zenith is a really good Grant Morrison comic.
I use to do ether a solid black or white prime when i started back in 2016 and wanted to try zenithal after i learned about it in 2019 but ever really come to mind when i primed. Now that we have some speed paints come in this week going to have to experiment with brushing it on. Did attempt to zenithal prime with spray cans before and i think i didnt have enough white on the models but they also had some pretty big hats on so i rolled with it just to see what the end product will be.
I found for some colours, AP speedpaints and Citadel contrast actually look better without a zenethal highlight. . . But I do zenethal for regular paints.
Grey or brown base with white usually looks pretty good… if it’s black base yea it looks terrible
I've had that experience, and I think it's because I did white over black, and the black took all the vibrancy out of the transparent paints. Going lighter in the shadows, grey or even a fitting base color, has potential to look pretty cool with only transparents over zenithal
@@fischziege I found skin, either ork, human or elf, worked much better over pure white, zenithal made it look too desaturated.
@@CaptinCrofty White base, worked much better for natural looking skin tones, zenethal gives it a desaturated look.
@@johnfarscape I didn’t know we were talking about just skin tones… browns not bad for skin tone away from the light then pure white on top… but for most materials having a desaturated colour in the shadows isn’t bad when going for a quick paint job