Are They All The Same Motor Oil? Let's Settle This! Four Types of SuperTech Motor Oil Compared
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- Let's find out if SuperTech's motor oil (5,000 mile, 10,000 mile, 10,000 High Mileage, and 20,000 mile) are the same oil. All four oils tested were sent to an independent oil lab for oil analysis. I tested oils for evaporative loss, lubricity or film strength, cold oil flow both new oil and after exposure to heat. Additionally, in a final test, the 20,000 mile oil is exposed to 10% gasoline to see the impact it has on lubricity or oil performance. I always buy all of the products tested to ensure unbiased test results. So, thank you for supporting the channel.
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What struck me about this channel a year ago or so, is that this would have been a TV show just 15 years ago. The quality of content is much higher than what used to be available to us.
Thank you for sharing!
Have you ever seen true, unbiased, and independent testing on TV? Shows with no ads, sponsors, or outside influence just wouldn’t work, this is leagues better than anything that was previously available to the public!
@@lyster1ne681 a verdade vem da própria população.
Sem manipulações.
Not really. The level of non-greedyness needed to do fair unbiased testing like this in an independent way, without sponsorships, ads, or anything doesnt exist in the TV world i dont think. If this were a show 15 years ago on TV it would have a castrol sponsorship and the results would be castrol is the best. Or whatever biased outcome they were being payed to represent
Everything about him is perfect for this type of content. He also puts it all together in a way that even dummies can understand.
Ah, a return to the oil testing. My favourite episodes.
Thank you! More to come soon!
@@ProjectFarm
Are you going to test any Diesel oils?
@@ProjectFarm awesome stuff, I can't wait.
Yes!
@@rickbrown7067 The thing I don't like about USA oils is that they are designed mostly for gassers , here in EU they are interchangeable
I think the oil test comparisons are my favorite. Such a crucial item for our every day lives.
Thank you and great point!
I do too but I'm inclined to think you could run the same test with the same brands in a month and get entirely different results. I've worked in different factories and finished products vary sometimes on a daily basis for a variety of reasons.
I use the Supertech, but change it out after 6k miles. Will NEVER trust an oil anywhere close to 20k miles!
The NAPPA oils have been my favorite lately as they sill have pretty good sales on 5-30
Bust the myth about which oil sludges up the least ,Synthetic or regular
Yes! We've got the Walmart brand oils tested against each other. I've wanted to know about this since they introduced them. Thank you Project Farm!
You are welcome!
I've used supertech products since I was 17 years old, I'm now 35 not once have I had any issues due to being the oil.
Super tech is just repackaged name brand. An Incentive for the companies to sell their product in the store
I've used them since I was 17 on about anything they're fine. I have never had an engine die due to oil related issues.
Good info. Ive been using the 20 K when I can find it. I feel better about using the 10 K now.
Todd, Have you considered doing a test on the independent oil testing facilities to see how consistent they are amongst samples of the same oil?
Thanks for the suggestion.
Testing the test-centra.
That's popcorn!
Test-ception...
Sounds like a waste of money. Barring some slip up, I'm sure they use the same testing equipment and same workers and a computer spits out the same data. I mean how many oil samples do you think they get every day? Probably not a lot.
Interesting idea, but may be difficult to evaluate any differences. Likely would have to do three or more at a time, if there are enough of them, to isolate outlier labs.
Absolutely one of my favorite channels. I appreciate your attention to practical testing. A man that switches coffee pots on burners every ten minutes for 2 hours deserves a lot of respect for diligence. I also admire that you note that the sound of the bearing is something you pay attention to when comparing. You are a real mechanic.
Thanks!
I'd be interested to see a test for brake pads. I've always been told to avoid the "lifetime guarantee" pads because there is more abrasive additions to the pad that will ruin a brake disk.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Walker Thermoquiet is the best. Stops, lasts, no dust 👍
There are so many variables, do you want it to last longer or stop faster? Do you want the pad to wear faster, or the rotors? How well do they hold up to salt, or heat.
It would definitely be great to get some more information than just "economy, service grade, premium, metallic, semi-metallic, ceramic, etc."
I ask AutoZone clerk to show me a set of the lo-cost pads vs. the hi-cost pads and looking at them side by side they were the same. I asked the clerk what the difference is and he said it is purely buying the extra warranty. Yes, Scout's Honor.
@@gtbmjb7192 Only problem is that the Autozone clerk despite their best intentions are not engineers.
5,000 miles is the maximum I go between oil and filter changes.
Nice test!
Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.
Depends on the oil. Verify by testing. The length of oil change should be done by hours, not miles. Sitting in traffic and idling does take a toll.
Why
Thank you. I'm going to post about my brother's oil change habits later today.
3 to 5 max. It is all I ever do/ and I get 300 -450 thousand out of my engines without any oil burning. 3.3 Dodge/ Plymouth/Caravan
BUT.
I have now a Toyota Corolla cross so the results may differ.
Oil is cheap/ engine repairs/ new cars aren't.
Each to his own though. You're paying the bills, not me.
15 years ago, I would change my oil every 3,000 miles. Now, I use mostly synthetic and try not to go past 5,000. Nice testing, brother! Keep em coming!
Better if you change the car’s oil not yours. 🙈😱🤣
@@grahameroberts8109 😂
@@grahameroberts8109 I've been doing it wrong all this time...
I run 10-15k in my wife’s unleaded engine and been going 15-20k in my diesel with Ansoil…
@@tooljst8 mostly synthetic? I’ve heard once you switch to synthetic you can’t go back to regular oil, unless it will start leaking.
I figure once you go synthetic why would you go back anyhow. My Tacoma purrs like a kitten with Mobil 1 full synthetic high mileage.
I can't even guess how many items I have purchased only after watching your testing videos over the past few years. You make it so much easier to make educated purchases that avoid spending too much as well as avoiding products that just don't live up to the marketing claims. Thank you for you amazing contributions to society, sir!
My pleasure!
@@ProjectFarm Thank you. U save are butts a few times. How’s the cows and farm life going?
I love the frozen oil races. He makes it so exciting. Who knew you'd be rooting for an oil to finish? Love these oil comparison vids.
Yeah, we're all car nerds!🤣
Thank you!
I know IT'S KRAZY ROOTING FOR OIL RACES, WTH AM I DOING ? LOL. GREAT CHANNEL.
@@bikeny WHAT, Marble Races ? OH NO YOU MIGHT HAVE TOLD ME ABOUT SOMETHING I'LL BE VERY ADDICTED TO.
I'll definitively check that out, T.Y. " I THINK " ? NEVER KNEW THEY EXISTED, KRAZY.
I got lucky this time and won the trifecta! Woo hoo! I'm rich!
We need the oil testing videos every one or two years! Great to watch and always to the point. Every second is watchable thanks to the solid edit!
Thanks and you are welcome! Thanks for the suggestion.
Sir you are not the hero we deserve, but the hero we needed. Best review videos in the world. Bar none. Thank you
You are welcome!
It’s been a while since you did an oil test. These tests are priceless. Unbiased results.
Thanks!
@@danstiurca7963I remember the Bacon grease one. Epic old video 😁🙌🏻
The bacon grease was the best oil lol
@@Nardage But it makes you hungry when you drive
@@OnBakePlatinum Bacon grease oil with vegetable oil fuel
It’s crazy how many products follow a normal distribution for quality. Cheap is bad, expensive is overpriced, middle of the pack is good and the pricing is decent. Also it was interesting to see how big the gap between 5K and 10K is
marketing ;)
Yep. Been saying this all of my life. This is why in most cases I buy middle-of-the-road products.
money has diminishing returns at the high end, cheap stuff is engineered to see how much they can get away with and mid is what they think what most people would want and to be competitive with other brands
5k is synthetic/conventional blend, whereas all the others are just synthetic. That's the main factor for the difference in performance.
It's not necessarily an apples to apples comparison, but they are the same brand, and labeling. And I don't think it's not fair to compare them all
It's economic reality of diminishing marginal utility. When you upscale things in quality, each extra unit of effort you put toward increasing the quality has diminishing return on the final product.
You are my favorite channel on TH-cam because you just get straight to the point and no BS. Excellent video editing as well
Thanks and you are welcome!
The 20K oil includes advanced wallet flush technology.
Thank you for sharing!
Does seem to be about the size of it, doesn't it?
Yeah they stole that technology from Amsoil apparently
I am always so amazed and thankful for the level of knowledge, honesty and detail Todd puts into these videos. Truly a man of and for the people.
Thanks!
As an ex professional motorcycle gear head (late 70s ) I want to thank you Todd for awesome content and commitment to quality reporting.
Thanks and you are welcome!
really rocking that mustache dude
One of the highest quality channels on TH-cam, easily. So much work goes into these to produce a 10 minute video and not a second of those 10-15 minutes is wasted.
Now that I have a child I don't have much time to watch TH-cam videos, but this channel is the one I will always watch.
Good job and keep up the great work!
Thanks so much, will do!
So thankful for these! I share them with my employees and coworkers all the time! Thanks PF!
Awesome and thank you for sharing the videos!!
@@ProjectFarm I did note you didn't contaminate the other oils to check how they deteriorate, as well as on the burnt oil that would simulate longer use between changes
The ingenious motor oil test series was what helped this channel take off. I am so happy to see they are brought back.
The channel has grown so much since. Thanks for bringing us valuable information as well as entertainment! It's been one of the highlights to start the week. Kudos!
I have to agree with you 100 percent. His oil testing is how I discovered his channel. I have been a faithful viewer ever since.
@@sludgetrudger
Same here.
Landed on the channel after searching for oil tests (NOT reviews, these are all biased), then immediately became a subscriber.
it was either the oil tests, cousin Eddie and his "antics", or the occasional dance moves
seafoam and other oil additives
I would be interested in seeing a comparison of different brands' 20,000 mile oils (Supertech, Mobil 1, Castrol Edge, etc...). It would be interesting to see if there's a significant difference between brands and which, if any, could actually be trusted to go 20,000 miles!
It gives you engine protection up to 20,000 miles doesn't mean it can be used for 20,000 miles.
Good suggestion
Thanks for the suggestion.
The ppl. What's 20,000 miles. There lazy. The don't want to change the oil. An I RIGHT. 💯
@@acomman77 I'm confused at how it can protect your engine up to 20,000 miles if it can't be used that long. Is there something I'm missing?
It would be interesting to see the difference in the wear scars when compared to a “control” that is either completely dry, or maybe only water, or something else not necessarily designed to prevent wear such as vegetable oil.
Thanks for the suggestion.
@@ProjectFarm For this comment, it's been known that for wear and high heat, high RPM and high film strength applications that pure Castor Bean Oil is the best(like Klotz Benol, or the old Castrol R30 or R40) That is that sweet smell at say motocross or Speedway races you notice. Also, only a few Synthetics approach the true film strength of a pure Castor, again like Klotz R50 which is a cleaner burning alternative that approaches a pure Castors film strength.
Castors main drawbacks are it burns dirty(more carbon), isn't designed for non racing applications, and settles out of premix below 35F.
That is why there are many "blends" to bridge this gap, like Klotz Supertechniplate 20% Castor, Castrol A747 and many relabeled versions of that Castrol like Maxima 927.
Castor is still favored by the Shifter Kart and 2 stroke RC crowd and engines running 10,000-45,000 RPM....like glow plug engines.
I always ran klotz in my 2 strokes growing up, I was told it was the best and it smelled like bananas so I was sold! 😂
0w20 supertech full syn. in toyotaco 2.7l at 34000 miles showed a bitosoot in tail pipe. 2000 mile oil changes. I just put in quakerstate full syn dexos1. The startup was very quiet. Better power to highway speed. Will see if less soot after 3 tanks of lucas inject clean. Hmm
I'd be very interested to see you test Amsoil's OE, XL, and Signature Series lines against each other. Also, their new synthetic blend diesel oil against their full synthetic diesel oils.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Yes please I have been really wanting to see this too.
Agree I made a similar comment. Would love to see this comparison.
This!
I would love to see a video on the most common used transmission fluid (Dexron III/Mercon) between brands. Little known about what is better and you would be the right guy to show the results ! Awesome video once again
There is way more science in trans fluids than motor oils. I’d suggest sticking to whatever the manufacturer recommends and not exceeding the change interval.
@@mwp1088 Everyone says the change interval is "lifetime".
@@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259 you don’t drive a Honda i guess lol, or if says lifetime why worry about changing it?
@@mwp1088 my daughter does, and she has reached the lifetime of her transmission.
@@mwp1088 I change it b/c if you do, "lifetime" doubles. My th250c has unknown hundreds of thousands on it, the fluid is cherry red.
Change your oil more frequently, your engine will love you for it! And it will run better and less wear and tear on the engine
Oil is cheap, a new engine is not. Change it every 5000 miles. - Scotty Kilmer
Good Point!
I'm a happy Suprertech 5w20 HM customer. I'm at 230k and I do an oil/filter changes at every 5k. Very happy with this oil. Thanks for your fantastic work- Happy Easter Todd!
You are welcome! Happy Easter!
So you use supretech5w20 5,000? Instead of the other ones that have high milage? You recommend the one?
@@marcoshuayai3995 I change oil at 5000, supertech high mileage full synth is great imo. Priced right and a quality product. I'm now at 243k.
Please do this for Amsoil I’m dying to know the difference. Great video as always!
Great suggestion on the Amsoil comparison!!
He did Amsoil in the full test with all the name brand oils. It won.
@@richardcranium1776 and then they'll either tweak the formula or up the price or both. 😅
@@ProjectFarm also possibly Royal Purple?
PF did a comparison a few years ago, amsoil signature and pennzoil 100% synthetic neck and neck at the top
You should test out oil filters! I'm trying to figure out which one has the best filtration and the best flow, love your videos as always
Thank you for the video idea!
Would like to see comparisons with oil filters including Mann and Hengst filters
Wix filters. They've always been good, never had an issue with them. Stay away from Fram filters
@Jon Swaen: He did an oil filter test already. That video is the reason I switched to Wix brand oil filters.
Amsoil 15k oil filter would be great to see as well
Oil tests are always entertaining! I would like to see a test between top name brand ATV / Dirt bike oils like Amsoil, Blud Lubricants, Maxima, Motul, Klotz etc
Thanks for the suggestion.
Which tests are your favorite ones to do? Lab tests with oils and fluids like this one? Power tool torture testing? Hand tool durability? Fuel consumption? As far as watching, they’re all somehow both entertaining and informative!
It's hard to say. They are all great. Torturing tools might take the top spot.
Which tests are your favorites to do?
Yes!
@@ProjectFarm If you could figure out how to torture test tools with Cousin Eddie and the Farmebago, we'd have the trifecta.
Love these videos! Great job! Maybe do a comparison of best transmission fluid?
Definitely a worthy video but it gets difficult because transmissions require a certain type of oil and not just based of weight and viscosity.
Great suggestion! Thank you
Bud light?
I learned my lesson on a Mercedes in 2004. Took it to dealer in accordance with factory recommendations, which was around 10,000 miles. At 140,000 the heads had to be replaced for over $6000. The mechanic said it was due to not changing the oil properly.
Thank you for sharing!
Heads from junk yard for that car is ~$200 plus the price of milling.
@@hid3nax he didn't state the year and model of the vehicle. You have no idea what used heads cost in 2004 for a mystery model car.
@@hid3nax internal secondary air ports impossible to clean out. Not rebuildable.
@@rustynail7866 Okay, then the only thing I could wish you is good luck throwing those amounts of money in a used car (any used car) post-warranty period. You must be earning insane amounts there in America though
How about testing which dishwasher detergent packs actually clean better? Vs the old liquid and powder and regular dish soap? That would be a great one
Thanks for the suggestion.
Thanks for finalizing this issue!
I have never believed long oil change intervals as I personally change oil at about 7k Mi or (10k km where I live) even though car manufacturer recommends 20k km (or 15k km in tough conditions)
First thing that diminishes is oil's cleaning capability of engine and for diesel engines contamination with carbon is heavy.
As long as oils don't cost an arm and a leg, i can do my engine a favour.
every 5K anything over that is worthless and will lead to a lot of wear and oil burning once you hit about 150k or 200k be prepared to spend about 6K on a short block to repair your engine..
Would love to see the same tests with these oils after they’ve been used for that mileage
It's very hard to control test conditions like that consistently. 20,000 winter miles will be much harder than 20,000 summer miles. Same thing with city VS highway miles. Unless you drive the exact same car in the exact same conditions for 20,000 miles each time (which is impossible), the test results will be heavily flawed.
@@joshjlmgproductions3313 Absolutely correct which proves that these high milage oil is a complete con. That the car companies know that under warranty they will be fine but after they are junk!
@@joshjlmgproductions3313 You underestimate the legend, Projectfarm. He is the the type of guy to buy a whole car and run it for 48 hours straight with a simulated load at exactly 20% throttle just to drain and test the oil 😅
@@joshjlmgproductions3313 sure it won't be perfectly scientific, but it could still provide useful info. If there's little to no detectable difference at the end, that's somewhat supportive of the conclusion that it's "probably" okay. If an engine explodes or perhaps less dramatically, significantly more wear is evident in the "lesser" oils, that's pretty conclusive evidence for the high mileage IS effective.
Not that I want Todd to blow up any engines (unless he really wants to).
@@joshjlmgproductions3313 diesel generators run fairly consistently, maybe mr farm could look into that🤔🤔
I think it strongly depends on how the engine was used during the interval. If you just cruise on the highway in overdrive you certainly can have a longer oil change interval than when you do heavy duty stuff or when you have a lot of start-stop and cold start cycles.
Thanks for the feedback.
I had a car that for the first 5 years and 180k miles of its life had oil changes every 20k miles but it was doing 35k a year on the motorway. The engines was solid and fine for another 11 years and 75k miles before it was moved on. Its not the mileage thats the issues its how the miles are done.
Notification squad Have a nice weekend!🔥🔥🔥HAPPY EASTER!🐣🐣🐣
Thank you very much and Happy Easter!!
I love your oil episodes. I buy my oil based on these kinds of results you publish. I would love to see some of these oils tested against the champion oils from your oil championship series.
Supertech was in the competition.
@@TDIETZ22 did he test each of these in that? I don't remember.
Keep up the great work! The hero we truly need
Thank you very much! This kind of positive feedback keeps me motivated to keep going!!
You are spot on with 5,000mi. being the best (prudent) oil change interval...very good work ! I use Supertech in all my vehicles; 1989 suburban (new engine using 5-40), 2016 Nissan using 0-20...both 10,000 oils. Thanks so very much...great show !
Thanks and you are welcome!
Do you thinm if we went ham on crazier filtration if thats how we could get the intervals up?
My grandpa had an old can of the stp oil, it claimed 15000 miles between changes and that was from around 1980! Would be interesting to see how it stacks up to modern synthetics
A bunch of marketing nonsense. A friend was a mechanic for a local police department in the 80s.
They ran Mopar 318s on Pennzoil 10 w-30 for 5000 miles. He said there were constant engine failures due to sludge packed into every bit of empty space within the engine until it clogged the oil pickup. Oil back then was shamefully gross. 15000 miles, even with some snake oil additive would not be likely.
He’s got some vids like that. Think it was Quaker state
Thanks for the feedback.
@Peter Angles ... anything between the valve covers and the oil pan is considered to be INSIDE the engine.
@@ColdSmokes ... you also need to consider the amount of idle time the average police cruiser has between oil changes. 5,000 miles showing is likely to be near 15,000 miles run time.... and maybe more.
Maybe you could test the different kinds of amsoil against each other? Their different tiered oils. That would be a good test to see if it's beneficial to purchase the higher priced options against Thier lower priced options
Full synthetic is not 100% synthetic. Full synthetic is a blend. I would love to see you test Torco 100% synthetic oil against any other 100% synthetic oil brand.
I think a good test would be to test the same oil from different retail chains, see if mobil 1 full synthetic has any difference between where it's sold, Walmart, Amazon, AutoZone, O'Reillys etc.
Thanks for the suggestion.
Looks to me like Supertech put the same oil in the same bottle with a different label and called it "better". Then they can charge more. The TBN (Total Base Number) is a good indicator of how much "life" is left in the oil (how much additive remains). If the TBN stays high, you can typically and safely extend your OCI (oil change interval) so long as you don't see wear metal indicators (aluminum, chromium, iron, etc). If you want to know everything you've ever wanted to know about oil, check out Bob Is The Oil Guy (BITOG). There are folks out there safely running 10,000 miles plus on their oil. I do it every time on my Cummins Diesel and have my oil tested each change. Remember, the more times you change your oil, the richer they get...
This is it. In Europe we drive 30 000km = 18 750 freedom units and the engines are fine for 400tkm or even longer. The turbos go first so if the engine is naturally aspirated it will run forever like the old 1,9 liter diesels in Volkswagens.
@@patterisepi17500k. Go ahead. I just think ur cheap. European motors are junk so who cares. My hellcat I pamper.
I've used the 10,000 HM in my 170,000 mile Frontier for the last 75,000 miles with good results and will keep it up, thanks for the great content.
Please tell us more
Thanks! Thanks for sharing.
I've been a SuperTech full synthetic user for at least over a decade, doing 6,000 mile oil changes on half a dozen vehicles. I've also used the same lab as you for sample analysis. Every time I've gotten a sample back all the wear numbers look great and they've noted each time I could push the interval to at least 8,000 mile (I don't.) What I can tell you is, vehicles pushing 200k miles (which did NOT have full 6k synthetic oil changes earlier in their lives, but 3k conventional oil changes), when their valve cover gaskets have gotten replaced, look clean and sludge free in the valve train. I've been using the 10k HM flavor recently, since the price was the same as their other full synthetic flavors, simply because of the added wear additives. If the 20k were on sale for the same price I'd stock up on that.
Intelligently changing your oil at appropriate intervals is far more important than the type or rating of oil.
Excaxly oil doesn't wear out it just gets contaminated, frequency is everything.
Excellent oil video as always! The commentary on the oil races are pure Gold! Thanks for including the gasoline contamination test at the end. It speaks volumes about the extended oil change recommendations.
This is another great video! I have been using Supertech full synthetic for several years now and I haven’t had any issues, however I change my oil on my 5 vehicles every 5-6k miles. We beat the oil change interval to death, but unless you are doing a SOAP sample on your own vehicle, it’s all guessing. All I can say is in the 25 years of driving, I have never had any engine failure because of any oil brand I have used, as long as you change your oil regularly (whatever that is to you) and keep it full, your engine should be fine. Unless the engine has an inherent engineering flaw, the oil brand won’t matter anyway.
Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.
Oil brands can matter. An oil of 20 years ago would blow up a turbo GDI engine of today...
20? thats 2004! i used RoyalP 20 years ago... !@@reubenmorris487
@@reubenmorris487where you getting 20 year old oils?
A test idea, though I'm not sure how you would quantify it. Do bypass filters work? Apparently there are people that think with a bypass filter (2 micron) in addition with a normal oil filter (30 micron) is enough to run oil INDEFINITELY. The only thing that breaks down is the additives so you do need to add those back in over time.
I thought a while back (years) I saw a centrifugal oil filter called a fs-2500 or something.
It worked so good your coal rolling brodozer would have a color to the oil of a normal gasser if you pulled the dipstick.
Pop the top and pull out a nice cake of crud and keep on trucking.
Do you do everything with this level of integrity? Like brushing your teeth for the exact time that the toothpaste label says you should?
Thank you very much!
NO OIL SHOULD BE USED MORE THAN 5K MILES!
Thanks for the feedback.
Love this channel and I love how it’s so consistent, it’s right to the point,and every episode it’s like a trusted friend helping you make an educated purchase . Been a fan for a long time and always enjoy your content , and I appreciate all the hard work you put into,these awesome videos .
Thanks so much!
Love the videos !! VERY INFORMATIVE !!
Transmission fluid is a very important lubricant that I think should be tested if there is a way.
Thank you for sharing!
Really appreciate the effort that went into these videos. Oil Testing is my favourite series on this channel. Would really love to see more diesel engine oil conparison such as mineral, synthetic blend and full synthetic. 🔥🔥
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
Yeah! A Diesel oil comparison would be great!!
I watch Vice Grip Garage and he uses diesel oil in everything. He says it has more vitamins, minerals and dead dinosaurs than other oils.😂😂😂
You should test that crappy dollar store oil I wanna see how horrendous the results are
The fact that someone can recommend ST at all in the real world is a win. I know it's decent oil but most people think of it as "walmart oil" therefore its trash. It is really decent oil, just not for 20K!
Thanks for the tests as always, awesome roundup!
My pleasure!
@Will Supertech is just as good practically as those. they all meet the same standards. SAE, etc.
@Will-th9milook at his older videos. Super tech is comparable to Mobil1. It actually beats it for cold weather performance.
I've ran super tech oil in my v8 4runner for the last 2 years....it runs quieter and the oil still looks clean at oil changes. I used Castrol before and didn't seem to last.
Super tech in both of my GM vehicles since new. My 5.3 has 193k+ & my wife’s 1.5 turbo has close to 90k. They love Super Tech oil. Wouldn’t think of running anything else in my vehicles
Can you do a set of all the different brands of 20000 mile oils with the fuel dilution test. Would be interesting to see if others cope better. Thanks this channel rocks. Never miss a video!
Thank you for sharing!
Protect this man at all COSTS!
Thanks!
I leased a Mercedes in 02 that the recommended oil change was once (1) a year??? 12 to 15,000 miles. I never trusted ANY oil for that, but what the hell it wasn't my car. I change mine every 3 to 4,000 miles. I might need to take a look at the full synthetic oil tested here. I usually go with Mobil 1 at $40 for 5 quarts and my truck takes 8. Is it worth it to change?? Any advise is appreciated. Mobil 1 filter as well.
Lol Walmart sells 5 quarts of Mobil1, Valvoline, etc for less than $30.
@@insanelywicked873 Look at the volume of oil they purchase yearly
I would love to see what wiper fluid works best (deicer, bug remover, etc.)
Thanks for the suggestion.
I was wondering if you could do coolant and antifreeze comparison
Great suggestion! Thank you
Great video as always. Couple of thoughts ... for penetrating oils, I know some old timers who swear by a 50/50 mix of acetone and ATF. I wonder how that would stack to your previous test? Also, you do great cordless tool reviews; maybe do an aggregate to see which overall system might be the best investment for someone getting their first set? Keep up the great work!
I like the idea of an overview of battery powered tools. My old dewalt unit's battery is dying and you can't buy them any more, so I'm able to entirely switch systems.
@Paul Mansfield Same. I made a video where I adapted an old laptop charger to an empty battery case. It didn't work very well, but I also didn't expect it to. At some point I may make an adapter to run modern batteries on my old tools.
Depends on your needs.
Diy? Pro? Specific task?
Do you need high power? or lightweight, usually for overhead applications.
BTW warranty are important to consider unless they ( Ridgid ) doesn't stand by it
@@PaulMansfield My 18 volt batteries are in various stages of failing, so I bought some 20 volt adaptors for mine and use aftermarket 20 volt batteries that were tested on this channel. They came in second behind the DeWalt battery but at half the price. I have 6 18 volt tools and don't feel like replacing them all.
Proof that 20,000 is a total marketing gimmick.
Cool comparison - though I know it would be very difficult/time consuming, it would be informative if you could expand your dataset a bit (maybe add 1 replicate and see if it's the same, if not then add a second?) - assuming a little uncertainty, I would say the three synthetics are all about the same! (the additive packages for the three could be the same, or could be different chemistries - tying to just the Mo, P, etc. could be correct or might not be (though the test data sure supports that they are similar)
As to extended intervals, that's not a thing I do because, as you noted, oil is cheap and engines are expensive! If I were considering a longer interval, I would look more closely at how the vehicle is being driven - 10k miles as a delivery vehicle driving around town all day every day is going to be significantly harder on the oil than 10k miles of mostly cruising on the highway!
We all love the oil tests! Any chance of ATF test? I think these same tests on ATF would be great info 👍👍👍
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
Your videos really help us out, my truck started burning oil and remembering your good experience with Engine Restore I tried it and it really cut down on the blue smoke. Thanks for everything!
Glad to help
My favorite series is definitely oil comparisons. Although I’ve been looking into ceramic paints. I’d love to see a comparison of supertherm and seal coats to see if what they claim is true.
Thanks for the suggestion.
There is no way I would go 20k, either. I usually get mine changed out at 5k, more or less. It took me a few years to finally believe in the synthetic's ability for longer changing intervals, and waiting until 5k still feels weird to me.
You're literally just throwing money away. My Toyota regularly goes 10k-15k on super tech synthetic. Any decent oil will last 10kb easily. Lab results confirm this.
Thank you for sharing!
Same, ain't no way in hell I'd leave oil in anything for 20,000 miles, regardless of what the vehicle manufacturer or oil company has to say about it. I run cheap full synthetic in my vehicles and I change it between 4000-5000 miles. I own 3 older vehicles so I usually make an afternoon of it, change the oil, rotate the tires, check the brakes/steering/suspension, and make sure everything is still looking fine.
Me getting an oil change after I forgot when my last change was:
Probably changed my oil after 30k miles, little Honda is still kicking.
@@TheOfficialLittleG Depends a lot on driving conditions. A lot of long trips on thr highway is much easier on oil. Short trips and a lot of idling not so much.
The absolutely best channel hands down, for testing of lubricants. Fantastic attention to all aspects of the products tested.
Thanks!
It would be interesting if you actually tried OEM motor oil from GM, VW, Honda, Toyota, etc vs the off the shelf. We always hear aftermarket is the same, but is it really?
Thank you for the video idea!
Great idea. I second this.
Change your oil every 3-5k miles. Regardless of what either the vehicle manufacturer or the oil brand says. If you use synthetic oil, you could go 6-8k miles between oil changes but I wouldn’t go any further than that.
Yet another video we never knew we wanted until we saw the title. Thank you Todd for tirelessly making the best product testing videos on the internet.
Jumping right into the scientific testing and showing us the raw facts without the useless opinion spewing rambling complete with life story for half the video makes your videos THE BEST ones in my book. This is the real deal right here folks!
Thanks so much!
i do about 2K on my 2008 T4R and about 5K on my 2018 Toyota Highlander. I change the oil once a year ...... I use Mobil ! High milage on the T4R and Castrol Edge Extended 20K on my Highlander with both high quality oil filters. Thank for these video's.
I basically do local driving and stop & go.
Would love to see a test of Snowmobile specific 2 stroke oils in a showdown! Polaris vs XPS vs Amsoil vs Castrol, etc, etc. Keep up the good work!
I've been using super tech in my bmw for around 7.5-10k oil changes. All is good
Great feedback! Thank you
Why is it that this time with Oil testing the Full synthetic beat the High-mileage in the cold oil flow🤔maybe they changed the oil additive pack?
Very thorough review, and interesting results! One category that would be interesting is hammer-free concrete drill bits. I bought an Alpen Profi Multicut, and I was blown away by the fact that it drilled into my concrete ceiling effortlessly using my battery drill. Even my corded hammer drill struggled with that quite a bit. It would be interesting to see how long they last, how they cope with steel-reinforced concrete, and of course if there are some good bang for the buck bits.
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
For the evaporative loss test, wouldn't performance need to be measured as % lost rather than an absolute value since the starting weights were not identical?
Great question! The oil containers each vary in weight. So, I add right at 200 grams of oil into each of the containers. Sorry I didn't do a better job of explaining this.
@@ProjectFarm Wouldn't the heavier container take longer to heat up due to the extra material? I would be curious if the results from the two containers differ if the same oil is put in both.
Todd is the best channel on utube. Honest, impartial and engineer like testing. Just awesome work. Keep them coming .
Thank you!
Agree 100% He’s a national treasure.
5000 Mi is about the max my conscious will allow me to go before changing oil. I generally use 10,000 Mi full synthetic and change every 5,000 miles. It's still the least expensive way to promote a long engine life.
Thanks for the feedback.
So you will buy 5,000?
Video suggestion. Maybe if you get bored or have time, put together a video putting all the different wear scars/cold oil races etc to show all the differences between all the oils you’ve done videos on.
Love your channel. Ty for your service to society. Keep up the good work!
Thank you for the video idea!
Yes! This is a fantastic idea, I'd love to see every oil he's tested compared, but it would be a little ridiculous to ask to retest everything for a new video. Recycling content for a final complete analysis and a final verdict would be a great video!
@@ProjectFarm Before you do that, can you clarify how you're going about determining the significance of the wear scars? It appears that you're comparing the length of the scars. But that doesn't allow you to determine how much larger (area or volume) one wear scar is than another. As the length of the scar increases, so does the width. (Not to mention that you'd be trying to measure the surface of the shape created by the intersection of two cylinders.) A 2mm long scar is not going to have twice the area as a 1mm scar. And the difference between a 1mm long scar and 2mm long scar is not going to be the same as the difference between a 5mm long scar and a 6mm long scar. As the size of a scar increases, the contact area between the two surfaces increases, and that's going to make comparisons based solely on length (or even area) complicated as well.
I wonder of you can find tables (or formulas) which will let you enter the diameter of the wheel, the diameter of the test pin, and the length of the scar and give you the actual area of the scar or, possibly even more useful, the volume of the material removed from the test pin? Another thought -- do you have a scale sensitive enough to measure the mass of the test pins before and after?
@@ProjectFarm A mega oil roundup with a couple added tests perhaps?
WOuld love to see this compared to the Amsoil signature series. Maybe do a comparison between multiple brands that claim 20k+?
Thanks for the suggestion.
I agree to what Alex Z stated. Personally I have been using Amsoil products for over 20 years so this would be an excellent test, especially since they claim to use full synthetic and not a blend. Thank you for what you do!
Many modern engines can do 10,000 miles easily even with non 10,000 mile oil. I had my oil tested every change to watch trends and wear because I raced vehicles, albeit in amateur races, but was good at letting you know when a bearing was failing as well as other issues that may be invisible. Seeing that it sold me on doing my personal cars. As long as their was nothing wrong with the car extended changes did not increase wear and this included a car that i daily drove and raced occasionally.
Thanks for sharing.
I completely agree with you! When I use synthetic I usually change every 5,000. Conventional 3,000. I remember when you had to change every 2000 and add oil every couple hundred miles. Someone would have to be out of their mind to wait 20,000 to change oil 😂
I knew a guy who completed no maintenance on his luxury vehicles. When they stopped working, he'd buy another. He was a real fool.
Thanks for the feedback.
Here in the UK the new Vauxhall engine generation from 2020 or 21 not 100% sure has got new oil change recommendations 22500 miles. The old one was 12300 I think. The company vehicle i drive atm has done 16000miles and on cold morning (around 4-5 degrees Celsius) you can clearly hear knocking from the engine for at least 2-3 minutes until the oil pump manages to build up enough pressure and the oil get a bit of higher temp. Clearly that’s a sign of oil thinning and degradation of the lubricants in it . That will damage the engine for sure and decrease the life of it. 7000miles is the most I have kept an oil in my car’s engine despite I buy “the best” possible on the market.
Thanks for your videos! I hope people from the marketing and engineers of all these companies watch your videos and they will stop promoting engine oils that last “ forever “
Regrettably, my last two oil changes have had to be done with 20-30k between. Not gonna go into why, life just happens. Although that many miles had me concerned, I've sent my oil in to the same lab that Todd uses and they've said that, given the millage, the oil looks fantastic. I think people underestimate just how good oil has gotten over the years - NOT that I'd recommend people do this of course, but in an engine that's taken care of in every other way, I think you can get away with it if needed, on rare occasions.
@Brandon W. What oil did you use and what vehicle?
I have never had an oil related engine problem with any of my cars vans or pick up trucks. I have been driving since 1968…
I have been using mobile one oil since the 1970s. I have only changed my oil in all my vehicles once a year… I have always bought what I thought was the best oil filters.. I was using Purolator oil filters for many years, I have recently switched over to NAPA gold oil filters because they tested well on TH-cam videos..
I never go over 5000 miles on oil between changes. I don’t sit in rush-hour traffic on hot days with the air conditioning running not moving very often. Buyer was lucky enough to live in a place where I never ran into that type of commuter congestion…
now that I am retired here in 2024, I am only putting about 3000 miles a year on my 2017 ram 1500 with the hemi engine .. I do a lot of my commuting and trips and sightseeing by motorcycle. That’s why my vehicles have so little mileage year to year, especially when commuting. I commuted by motorcycle about eight months a year here in Pennsylvania…
back in the 1970s, I was working as a motorcycle builder/mechanic in a Honda motorcycle dealership. That was the only time I ever saw engine failures due to a oil. The shop was mine 55 gallon drums of Kendall four stroke motor oil… we were putting that oil in brand new motorcycles after we would build them out of the crate, and deliver them to customers. We had quite a few engine failures within the first 600 miles since new on those engines. We found out by accident that it was due to the oil foaming. We took a brand new motorcycle with the rep from Kendall there, we put the Kendall oil in the motorcycle that had never been started before that moment. We started the bike and one of the mechanics took the bike out for about 20 minutes. When he got back, we immediately pulled the plug to drain the oil, and it came out like a Slurpee. If you remember them, they were like semifrozen foam, almost like shaving cream, mixed with oil… That’s when I learned that when you have air bubbles in the oil, you cannot build oil pressure because the air is compressible. On the spot, Kendall agreed to pay for all the damage.
I think it is time to do another Re-chargeable AA battery video! The tech is always getting better and it would be cool to see a comparison of both videos at the end to actually see if any advertised improvements are actually true!
Thank you for sharing!
@@ProjectFarmI've been secretly hoping the solar lights with rechargeable AAs have been cycling all these years. 😄
2:53 It's actually just over 20% less evaporation. You forgot to normalize the different starting masses in the test.
Individually, the 5k lost 4.3% and the 10k lost 3.4%. So, the 10k lost 20.4% less of its initial mass. (Or, you could even say the 5k lost 25.6% more than the 10k.)
question is, did the weights account for the mass variation of the containers? 🤔
This also affects the ranking in the final scoring, 10k and 10kHM switch places in the evaporative loss scores. The final scores become 10k scoring 1.7, the 10kHM and 20k both with 2.1, and the 5k getting a 4.
I’ve been using full synthetic up here in Canada for many years. I change it every 10,000 kms (6,000 miles). I also use WIX filters since I have found them to weigh more than others but I think testing oil filters would be a great show. I’d be interested in the ‘B’ filters made by the same companies such as WIX against their main ‘A’ filter. Often the price point is less than half so I’m curious where the real value is. Thank you for all your exhausting work with these videos. Greatly appreciated. 👍
I have found a few websites up there that have done some testing and teardowns. The biggest thing I learned were that there are a few brands (and re-labels) to avoid outright. Wix (depending on the tier) is a fairly well regarded filter though from what I recall.
Thanks! Thanks for the suggestion.
I have said it before and I’ll say it again 😅 The way you go about testing products is phenomenal 😅 Very impressive 😅
Thanks!
Thanks for the great content! As the service manager for an auto shop I've really put your info to great use, especially tool recommendations. I order our motor oil and other items and know what our competitors are using because I know their suppliers. Most customers would be shocked to know that some of the local dealerships are using the same off-brand (lesser known) oil as us rather than the big brand name or "dealer" oils. The suppliers give us data sheets and supposedly do third party testing but as a shop we don't really know what we're getting in these barrels so it would be great to do these tests on our stuff. If you ever want to test the synthetic blend that 1/3 of SoCal shops are actually using or some of the synthetic imports like Rheinol or Wolver I'd be happy to send some out to ya for testing. Keep up the great work man! *Oops, forgot to answer the question lol. Personally I change my oil every 3-5k depending on which car it is. Customers however feel like you're scamming them if you suggest anything more frequent than the "service required" light that pops up on the dash. The problem with 10k oil changes is that so many new cars burn oil and the "expected/normal' oil consumption listed by the manufacturer TSB will have you running dry in between changes and guess what... It's your fault and not covered under warranty because the manual states to check your oil daily or weekly. Don't even get me started on the "lifetime" service intervals lol.
Thanks! Thanks for the feedback.
I've been running 30k to 50k per oil change on a Honda Element (w/230k miles) for 4 years now using Amsoil signature series oil and an Amsoil bypass filter. I have to add a quart every now and then, but have had no issues and no sludge build up whatsoever. Would be interested to see a test of bypass filters, as they seem to be well worth the money.
I hope that’s 🧢
That's more of a testament to Honda's quality than anything.
HAppy Easter!
Thank you and I wish you a Happy Easter too!
No one does presentations like you do Sir!! The content and clarity of your videos are priceless!!!
Thanks!
If we could just get him to stop yelling that would be great.
Another excellent video as always... This is the best product testing channel I have ever seen... The attention to detail and many different test parameters are beyond impressive...
Thank you very much!
I have been using Super Tech the last 5 years Its a great oil and I will continue using it. Been using the SuperTech full synthetic
Great feedback on the SuperTech!
Just curious, how have you determined it’s “great oil”? What are the indicators or evidence?
@@guermeisterdoodlebug7980 His oil comparison and analysis videos, genius..
@@TTime685 yup. I trust him. How else would we know?
I have been here since the penetration oils showdown and this is my favorite series. I am always astounded by the resilience and by all the work you put in there to sincerely test all of this equipment. Keep going strong!
Thank you for sharing!
Another great and informative video! Thank you sir!
As many mechanics now say, regardless of the recommended oil to use, halve the recommended oil change interval from the manufacturer.
They want you to buy new cars.
You want your car to last as long as possible.
They goals are opposed.
Would love to see a spreadsheet of all the oils you’ve tested with them ranked
Agreed!
Thanks for the suggestion.