The Biggest Warhammer Scam Just Got Worse
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I love Warhammer, I love the setting, I love (most) of the characters, I love how stupid and goofy it is while being stupid serious at the same time, and I love the books.
This does not mean I love Games Workshop.
Same here, One Page Rules saved my wargaming life and armies when I got sick of the rules mess that is games workshop.
One Page Rules is the answer.
Pretty much the same. I stopped playing Warhammer years ago because I wasn't willing to put up with their bullshit any more.
GW is working hard to be employee of the month for one page rules
And employee of the month for [Insert your preferred 3D printer brands here] !
If only we could all sustain such an impressive work ethic!
OPR is a gutless, boring game. Might as well go play RISK
@@Evan_Milborrow GW is the reason I got into 3D printing, they were such convincing advocates for my Creality printer. I will never forget the comparison between the cost of GW's 10 man Intercessor squad and my printers cost of $1.74 for the same squad while also including jump packs!
THANKS GW!!! OPR rocks the house!
@@Carvur Why do most people disagree with you?
Meanwhile One Page Rules just launched 3rd Edition with everything you need for free
Why aren't more people talking about this?
@@GasparzinhoNOToo many GW fanboys shouting them down at the council fires, refusing to play anything but $camhammer 40-Krap...
One Page Rules is awesome, and literally rebooted me in my enjoyment of wargaming. Very fun, super accessible, and not the least bit pretentious!
@@JoshJohnson-em8fu same here, it’s the perfect system for my wife and I.
@@farpointgamingdirect that’s so weird to me. I’d understand if it was a whole new system that required you to buy minis and other stuff but there’s practically no barrier to entry, especially if you already have minis and dice.
I'm done with GW until they get rid of the big con that is codexes. I'm sure they don't care but there we go.
In a few months would be 4 years since I stopped. I plan on sending GW customerservice an email. It won't do much, but it will show how much I refused to spend at their store anymore because of their employee and also business practices. As I said, while it probably won't do much I wonder if I could get a lot of people to do the same. Eventually, they will see how much they have driven away.
One rock won't alter the stream, a rock slide can alter the land.
100% the same. They've done nothing decent since 7th anyway.
I'll just use battlescribe. All the info is there.
@@RoseKindred - maybe I should send them photos of my Frostgrave models when I've painted them. That could have been a GW purchase if they weren't obsessed with ripping me off.
Come to Conquest lol. They just had a bunch of new updates and models to be released. They really are nice. Plus I mean 2 fully usable armies like 600 points each with upgrades is like 130. Split and make it 65 each. Made me realize how much gw is screwing us when I opened my first box.
So f*cking relieved that Wahapedia is back. It's completely ridiculous how, at this point, a single person is carrying the hobby in gainst the best efforts of the company that owns it.
Funny part is, this history is a direct repeat of when I last played Warhammer 40k back in 2000...then it was Army Builder carrying the hobby. All the complaints and fears are the same, yet here we are literally a full human generation later and GW is still the behemoth. As the Borg would say, "whinging is irrelevant, resistance is futile."
One page rules have just updated their rules.... if anyone wants a change
Right when they anounced "free rules", I told everyone it's a scam yet nobody believed me. Now I can tell them "I told you so"
The constant changes and updates that GW are making are starting to get depressing. I love the 40k universe, I love the miniature but I can't help but feel overwhelmed and exploited by having to buy so many things for the rules in such a short amount of time just to be able to play the game. This is quickly changing from a " Miniature Wargame" hobby into a " Miniature Collecting" hobby for me.
Overwhelming is right. I love the lore and building models I was hoping to start playing in 10th but I don't want to get jerked around. GW keeps printing books then invalidating them. They did that to Custodes in 9th.
@@lordllewellynofdarkdelight2613 GW trying to emulate the VG market. It's no longer about "exclusive" or "limited" models that toy companies do, which was GW's original modus operandi, and now they're trying to emulate video games by introducing basically what amounts to their version of "yearly Cod/Fifa titles". Just release new models and books on a semi-annual basis and force people to buy them if they want to stay relevant or participate in mainstream tourneys/games, like how old CoD games immediately lose all technical support once the new title drops so if you wanna stay on top of the curve you gotta buy into it.
Main reason why I also refuse to participate in the miniature hobby despite being a huge Warhammer fan in general (both oldhammer and 40k, nobody likes AoS so). I've wanted to get into it so bad but GW's horrible practices just keep me away. So instead of getting me and all my friends' money by being consistent and non demanding, they basically discouraged us from ever paying a cent.
Imagine giving money for a full army of Marines just before Indomitus dropped, I don't remember which edition it was supposed to be, when Primaris got introduced and GW announced they were slowly gonna phase out old models and Firstborn codexes. A full army would cost the average person at least a few hundred dollars bare minimum, and that's not mentioning stuff like making a gaming room and organizing players if you don't have a local club to go to for these things. And not mentioning bonus models or different army comps or even another army that you want to play. So imagine you spent like 500 bucks on a Firstborn army only for GW to come out shortly later and tell you your purchase will be invalidated in the future more or less. You can still keep the minis but for me the fun is using them in a game as much as painting and gazing at them on my shelves.
They're actively trying to make people NOT want to pay them somehow by being as greedy as possible to the point where it seems pointless to dedicate yourself to something if GW randomly decides to change it, or worse - outdate it entirely and force you to start over from scratch.
Feelsbadman. I really want to get into the hobby. Maybe 3d printing really is the way, and just use whatever the hell edition I want to use.
It's a shame and I also collect just for the fabulous minis - mostly from online auctions tbh. :>/
Then maybe don't meta chase?
It's why I stick to kill team as a new player
I'd dropped out of 40k during 9th, which was huge for me as I'd been involved since 2nd and even worked in a GW store for a brief stint. Hearing all the prerelease stuff on 10th, I said "Ok, some of this sounds promising, I'll give it one more chance." Bought a rulebook off eBay, looked ok, was a little jonesed to get back into it.....and now watching the same thing that pushed me out starting all over again.
I'll be over at OnePageRules' Grimdark Future and and Turnip28.
Games Workshop broke a "promise"? Nooooooo. I'm shocked. I can hardly believe it
I'd actually be surprised if they stuck to their word for more than two minutes (at least the words they speak out in public)
They broke a promise that they never made and existed only in the minds of people who jumped to conclusions....
It's even worse than I thought. This is one of the few channels that speaks openly about this problem. Keep it up!
All the other 40k channels are grifters is why
Discourse keeps me sane. Standing on the outside, seeing the contempt with which GW treats their customers I sometimes feel crazy that everyone just accepts it.
@@TylerProvick Ya'all think those Artists should work for free, eh? Welcome to Inflation Land.
@@rainertentacle7573 go away corporate stooge.
thanks, really appreciate that!!
Unfortunately, GW fans will continue to buy stuff and content creators will continue to exclusively cover GW products. At this point, I really don't think the community can change. They love to complain but never do anything that could actually lead to change.
@@lollypopalopicusJust quit it and go to OPR! Get a 3D printer!
Simple as.
@@orionthanathos8861always one.
Open a window sometime. Those fumes are toxic.
@@lollypopalopicusmost of ys are either ambivalent to tge company or not delusional enough to think any company is our friend.
Guys withva gate boner against GW are irritating as shut though.
@@lollypopalopicus Speaking against GW and its practices isn't going to get you targeted by copyright law. This is a rather defeatist argument, "We don't do anything to promote change because we can't." Doing nothing and continuing to support GW is a direct endorsement of their practices. I do understand that many players may not like GW, but that really doesn't matter if they do nothing and continue giving them money.
Because it's not the fanbase who is complaining all the time. It's the trendgrifters who tumble into the stuff cause it got popular the last few years. The hilariously crybabys who think they have a fundamental right in company decision making while at the same time haven't any clue how a company like this works. All you want is stuff for free. Disgusting.
Discourse, have you tried the new OPR 3rd edition? It's the same old game, but better! And the developer listens to gamers requests and adjustements, and implements them without reinventing the wheel every three years. Surprising, uh?
No seriously, once in a while there's a new edition that's an improvement for real. It's surprising and sad and nice all wrapped together.
I'd love to see Discourse's review on OPR3rd. My gaming group hasn't upgraded yet.
OPR is great. A couple factions are undercooked, but Army Forge Studio fixes that.
Even better, the games are now updated to version 3.1, within days of release of 3.0. Rule clarifications, errata, etc, that people found/ requested after the release of 3.0. All armies, across all games, updated at release.
Also, the rules are still free (and, if you ever subscribed to their Patreon, you continue to get the “full” rules for free.
Amazing what you can do, as a company that makes miniatures, and tacks on a rule set, when you want to…
Cheers,
Well as long as people support them, they will keep it up. The player base have to close there wallets for anything to change.
I'd say this is a good thing for Warhammer fans to finally leave GW, but I honestly doubt enough people will leave for GW to notice.
They will eventually when the money dries up. They are required by law to make money (dividends) for their investors, hence the constant price creeps. When they can no longer service their investors then perhaps just maybe we will see the prices drop. I'm not holding my breath though
@@lolaminnit I'm from the US, so I need some clarity. Here the companies may choose to diviidends but is it mandatory in the UK?
Sadly, I think it's a common problem with management these days - most CEOs, etc, see their tenure as being short term contracts, potentially of about two years, before they move on to another one. This means they fixate on short term results so that they can receive their bonuses, all the while hoping that they will manage to get out before the whole thing comes crashing down.
@@RoseKindred I don't believe they are mandatory in the UK either, but it's definitely desirable that they are issued to the share holders - it helps to bolster the share price plus makes the shareholders a bit more amenable when they they have to vote on increased salaries and bonuses for the management.
@@RoseKindred GW are known for paying good dividends. If they stop, then shareholders will sell, which would tank the price of shares, and the board of directors would fire the company leadership.
So GW leadership have chosen the slow death option of continually raising dividends, raising prices, and lowering salaries.
It'll reset in a few years before the cycle begins again.
Love how 40K is by far GW’s most popular and supported game, yet their other less supported games are generally more balanced/fun. AoS, Killteam, Warcry, MESBG, 6th Ed. Fantasy, and Necromunda (in my opinion) all play better than 40K. Can only take getting shot off the board turn 1 because you lost a die roll so many times before you check out entirely. Shooting is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too good rn in 10th, and I personally don’t see it changing.
Honestly the one "conspiracy theory" I always believed is that literally the only reason they made the rules free was because they were leaked, and that they were going to backpeddle that as soon as they felt like they could get away with it.
Look, there is nothing wrong with being curious. We can forgive you for going back, yet again, to GW. If you were in the USA, at least it would have been a tax write-off. I used to buy all the codexs for the fluff and art, back when they were 10-20.
I bought a lot of the codexes for 2nd edition - and genuinely enjoyed reading the lore
2nd Edition codex were the best. Wish I still had mine.
I am happy playing Grimdark Future One page rules
Me and my friend ended up both trying BattleTech (based on your previous video) and also finally got to sit down with Drowned Earth that by a super small UK team.
Good choice... I did the same.
For the cost of a codex you get all you need to play Alpha Strike/Battletech.
I wonder if the constant price hikes are compensating for the dwindling player base.
It's the One D&D model-- WotC/Hasbro ran the numbers and saw that even if they lost 90% of their regular playerbase, they could still make money on the remaining 10%, because that 10% would pay anything they asked; the same way the people who can't live without their little plastic mans (as a war-gammer friend of mine calls the minis) will pay whatever GW wants. Like the video-game industry descending into micro-transaction hell, all GW and WotC care about are the big spenders/whales; the people who have been in the hobby so long that no amount of mistreatment and highway robbery will get them to leave. To that end, the only war-gamming I do these days is historical, old-school Strategy & Tactics stuff.
@@MoonLitChild I've been playing Warhammer since the mid 90s.
I moved to forgery world models around 2015. Then into 3d printing and freely available pdf codexs in 2019.
I don't even bother downloading their garbage rules and codexs anymore.
One Page Rules FTW.
You know your game is shit when people don't even bother stealing it.
@@youtubevanced4900lol, very good point. Even their pirated codexes are useless.
I haven't played WH40K for over a decade but I like keeping up with the news, mostly because it stops me thinking it's a good idea to start up again. Great vid as always.
Hi, it’s been 3 years since I stopped buying GW products. I’ve been clean for that entire time and have been happier ever since
Fanatics will always make excuses for GWs practices.... justifications to continue allowing them to continue as they are.
Just like anyone in an abusive relationship
And people with a raging hate boner for GW will scream at them no matter what they do.
Funny calling the ones who don't complain fanatic while screaming at every add the company drops. Time to remember folks like you that you only own what you have bought.
"You OK, new wargamer?"
"Naw man, I'm pretty f#£%in' far from OK"
I bought the Aeldari datacards earlier this summer. Absolutely wild how they've managed to make them entirely out of date and worthless not once but twice(!) since I bought them. If I'd tipexed them to update them after the first balance patch then I'd be updating them again with tipex now and probably would be again in another couple of months. Lesson learned, never buying a GW publication again unless it's for the pretty pictures or lore.
GW is so damn scummy.
I swear having a warhammer hobby is like being in an abusive relationship lol
It's always been like enduring an abusive relationship since I started playing in the mid '90's.
We are apparently gluten's for the black eyes. The GW emblem should be the Chaos emblem.
I don't know about you, but on my side amongst my 40k gang from yester-years most lot of us are just standing on the sideline and watching it all burn.
Then why are you here
@@ChrisKCook To watch it all burn.
@wong40k42 so your hobby is raging about GW.
You'd be great pals with SpikyBitz. One of the worst people in the hobby.
Warhapedia and Battlescribe will save us.
My first high elf codex from early/mid 90s would have cost me £7.99 if it wasn't on sale, crazy that in 30 years they cost alomost ten times the amount, for a lot less new artwork with artists credited
While GW still sucks, remember that inflation exists. The Codex costs £35, and £8 in 1993 are worth about £16 in modern money. So, the relative price has doubled, which still sucks, but it's not quite as bad - unless you're an Ozzie, in which case it's just GW screwing you, which it does all the time.
@@CantusTropus don't think I would be anywhere near the hobby if I was in Australia would have to sell a kidney just to get started these days
@@CantusTropustheir price increases have surpassed inflation though.
Your PASSION for the table top is infectious. . .
Keep doing the good work that you do ! ! !
Time to write our own version of the game, with blackjack and termegaunts.
I have lost all interest in 10th. I don’t even know where to start anymore.
I used to own a games store. GW was just a huge PITA to work with at a retail level as well. Adding a $60 web app is just a way to remove sales from retailers and plop it right into their coffers.
Discourse really loving that head scratch photo. This is what the fourth one in a row lol
When you only have 5 thumbnails you cycle thru pretty quick LOL
Just imagine being a DG/Chaos player. By the time their Codex is out they have already been shafted in games because of power creep. only to pay for their Codex. Then because to make their army useable they use daemons or knights....Thats even more money spent just to make an army.
What are you talking about?
Things that only exist in your head?
But by all means keep raging.
The tears of WAAC Powergamer Dudebros are delicious...
@@ChrisKCook I dont play any GT's i play with friends at my house.
If you didn't understand what i was talking about, perhaps rewatch the video? or get a special needs dog to help or something.
GW's current model will mean anyone making a list. be it fluffy, cheesy or competitive that has allied units. will have to fork out alot more £$ to make this (if they/you decide to use the 40K app)
More so for the new to the hobby guy/gal who just gets models because the look cool ( like i did with anything nurgle) then realising you need 2+ codex's, with optional expense for data cards etc. that's alot of money for a new hobbyist.
No rage, just bringing points across from points made in the video.
Kind regards buddy.
As you said "You couldn't make this up!" I remember the original Games Workshop from back in the day (Rogue Trader rulebook) I always likened the company to a kindly but slightly drunk uncle who comes over and makes a lot of promises then "forgets" about them, now it seems "Uncle GW" has a drugs problem - He comes over with a present or two but then starts off on a mad rant and proceeds to smash the place up. WTF? :>/
2023: "F-you, pay me"
Look, just stop playing 40k. Everybody. It's overpriced and not a particularly well-designed game. I know you've all got sunk costs, and it's always fun to dump salt on them, but this isn't healthy guys.
specially GW won't change their habits as long as people buy the models and play the game, no one buying the app but people still buy models and GWs conclusion is that their customers just don't like apps or are just painter/collectors not gamers
Sounds good to me, lot of great games out there great video Disco
You're 100% right, and this will 99.9% fall on deaf ears. My group of pals and I all dropped it for now, and have downloaded all the Kill Team rules, to dick around with that for free. Haha. Much like we will do when some people inevitably put the pdfs of the codex books online. GW is literally forcing their whales to piracy.
Your not wrong. But to be fair, I havnt actually gotten to pkay but obe game during the last three years. But no Im more of a 3D printing warhammer enthusiast.
I bought leveation box for the book that's keep stake
At least they didn't block the nids on the paywalled Warhammer+ game app.....
I've never bought a codex or data cards and I never will. Not when the rules constantly get updated and render both of them obsolete. Imagine if, in MTG or any other card game, in order to play you had to buy a 60 dollar book that'd be out of date the moment they restricted a card or fixed errata. In this day and age of digital media it's insanity. And on TOP of that they REMOVED the free index rules so, if you said "You know, I don't like the new rules. I wanna keep playing with the indexes." welp, if you didn't download them you're fat out of luck. We already pay out the nose for the damn little hunks of plastic and yet we're being charged even MORE for the privilege of being able to play with the things we bought.
Counterpoint to the free AoS rules, we just got alternate armies that are locked to a book code purchase.
"Suddenly, a luxury hobby like going to the #$@& moon looks positively affordable" is hilarious and so on point! Thanks for the laugh.
So I have a question are the Data sheets for the units altered in anyway
When I was wondering if I was gonna dive into 10th, I actually decided to pick Firefight by Mantic instead. Do not regret it at all.
You forgot the rest of the scam, no one can even find the models to build\play the army!
GW screwed their customers with a codex? Who coulda seen that coming? 😈
I quit back in 2021 partly because I wasn't happy with GW and their decisions. Sad to see nothing has changed. Introduce new edition > promise good changes > great game for 2 months > immediately makes the game worse > add infinite bloat > start the cycle again. Been this way since I started back in 7th.
To be fair, most profiles of the Tyranid units did not change drastically in the kodex. You can still use the datacards, if you are willing to make some corrections on them. Still not an optimal situation, of course.
The data cards had 3 errata updates before the codex launched. What's a little more whiteout (tipp-ex?) between friends.
@@duckrutt Sure, I know that it sucks. However, it is still not the case that you can throw the cards in garbage.
So you said something about needing to pay to access ‘Nids datasheets through the app, but I can still see them on mine and I haven’t paid. Did they change that back or is my app faulty lol
GW is doing its loop of simplify new edition, add rules constantly, simplify again etc etc, pretend to give things for free while also hooking ppl in because once they’ve spent a couple hundred bucks on models then what’s another couple hundred for rules to play it 🙄😞
I tried playing 40k with my kids.... they enjoyed the novelty but weren't into the special rules and complexity.
Played one page rules game with them and they loved it.
I enjoyed both but the kids loving OPR more definitely raised my enjoyment level.
I understand 3D printing isn't for everyone but the fact I can dream up a scenario and then print/paint the models for it is freedom. I can explore any game system and (at minimal cost) get minis and terrain. Being able to jump to frostgrave/stargrave/five parsecs/five leagues/space weirdos etc etc keeps things fresh and let's my kids come up with exploratory ideas that we can then flesh out/try out.
I'm a huge fan of 40k lore and have many fond memories of playing in my local store, going to conventions and tournament play. That being said, their corporate culture and attitude towards consumers is astonishingly short sighted and I believe hinders new hobbyists from getting into this amazing hobby.
Heres the thing. If youre a massive 40k fan i dont hate you. If i disagree with GW practices its not a reflection on you because you love the game. It holds a special place in my heart and i wish the game and GW would improve so that it accessable to as many people as possible.
Would it have been so prohibitively expensive (with a $60 book) to include updated data sheets with it?
Why is there not a free (or even reasonably priced) app from GW? These resources tend to bring people into the hobby.
Why black templars over norn irons?
Why such hate for a content creator calling out bad business practices? Seriously tho, she likely plays more games workshop games than you do and more frequently.
I think (that means its an opinion) a lot of what discourse says rings true. If you take a more objective view and compare offerings from other games/companies/systems you will find value and be a happier gamer.
It's sad that Geedubs missed the opportunity on the Codexes being the definite go to book for all hobby related information for your army with tons of lore, conversions, tutorials, terrain ideas, campaign ideas, random campaign roll tables. And of course keeping the rules free for everyone. A shame. But what did I expect.
Coming soon Warhammer 40k 11th edition with space marines vs whatever with 400 statgem cards
I really wish I hadnt predicted all of this from day one and seen it coming... Again...
This is exactly what they told everyone they were going to do, when they announced that the rules would be free to begin with, which would change as the codicies started rolling out.
Tying a damsel to a railway track??
Watch your back Discourse.
Buy a new army, as soon as you finish painting it half of the units are not supported anymore and you need to buy a new codex
So there is the benefit, it is clear again, that OPR is the better alternative. Just updating my lists to 3.1.0 ...
GW Excutive: "You know what? Video game players don't really complain when they get a buggy, half-finished product that needs multiple patches and updates. Let's see if we can do that in tabletop wargaming form!"
Other Executive: "But don't they get those updates for free?"
GW Executive: "Psht. That's just a minor quibble."
Speaking of stratagems: in 8th edition, the entire sheet was rather useless due to the unit requirements, and it essentially came down to exactly one gotcha moment per faction.
However, even that wasn't particularly fun for the first time - and if it was a competitive game, it would be weird to expect players to know what secrets lie in the opponent's expensive book.
(good example of gotcha built into the game, is Infinity. Where even the army list exists in public and private versions)
This is why I stay away from official tournaments and 3D print all of my armies
Not just any intro to 40k, it's Monty Python's Flying Circus
Welp looks like my orks will continue to sit in a box doing nothing since I can't seem them
Redundancy is fine. I'll pay for a convenient tool. It's when you just change the rules and render the play aid obsolete, well. That's just fucked up.
There's money to be made in confusion.
We need Physical Codexes so 'That Guy' can't pretend his iPad has gone flat and you have to just take his word for it. Or try and pass off a doctored PDF as legit.
There's more special rules than ever before. The game balance is shot to hell and frankly I have very little incentive to play 10th.
Yeah I’m not sure why GW felt the need to give EVERY unit a special unit ability!
At least the last version of the App let you see the basic stats of a unit in the army builder.
I went through all this with 8th edition. The Index books were a fantastic idea, then came the codexes and the whole system got flushed down the shitter. And for the record, I really liked the Power system in 8th. It was simple, quick and made good effective armies.
I agree. This all started with 8th edition. I really enjoyed the Indexes they had ( and I still have mine!) But when they had an 8th edition, followed by an 8.5, then tried to brand 9th edition as the " New Warhammer" before returning to the number systems for the editions with 10th, which itself was rushed out- 8th edition was really the beginning of the end in alot of ways.
I also loved the Power System! It was so easy to grasp and to form armies using it.
The new Pychophage isn't new. It sure looks like a Venom Crawler deamon Walker.
My close friend preordained the codex and a biovore with it. He is still yet for his PREORDER to arrive. And he cannot use the app until the book he has paid for arrives so he can scan the code for access to the up to date tyranids in the app as his data cards are useless to him and his book is lost somewhere in the warp. As a guard player I will be waiting 3 years for my codex so I will use the app for free but when the pay wall for the imperiums true finest arrives. I will NOT be handing games workshop any of my shiny things. I am so pro 3rd party retailers. Not only for my wallets benefit but to help them out as its not them who has f****d my hobby
I truly appreciate your content. ❤
and then the dice, dropping 20 to 16 makes me gring my teeth with my OCD, now they leave a gap in my nice dice box or that I don't have enough to fire with 10 devourer termegaunts ...
I have too many army’s to pay 60 bucks for each of them for a 3 year edition. I’ve picked two that I will play this edition.
No Data Cards. - No Regrets ! ! !
I'm glad that I'm only collecting one army at the moment, and that their codex won't be out until later in the edition
Each faction should only have THREE stratagems. One supports shooting armies, one supports melee, and one that is specific to the faction “flavor/lore”. In fact I would say the first two should be identical for all armies.
Meanwhile, Battletechs core rules from the 1980s are essentially unchanged. And the miniatures from then whether plastic or cardboard standees are just as legal now as they were then.
it gets even funnier, with the points drops you now need twice the models to play the game - space dwarfs are a horde army now apparently.
A tip for the causal, player from, a tournament junkie, most of the time 8-9th edition, with all the codexes, only 3-4 strategems were useful, remember those strategems that were useful, you’re mostly upset at yourselves because you can’t put the blinders, on.
😂 i knew this was gonna happen as soon as they said we fixed it. An abuser keeps hitting you even after they promise never to hit you again. And like thier spouse, we keep accepting this abuse and making excuses for them.
To quote a TV show.
""The point is that you are under a misconception that we are a superhero company. We are not. What we are, really, is a pharmaceutical company".
You just have to swap superhero for "gaming" and pharmaceutical for "miniature model"
GW have created a great setting, it truly is great. It however only to sell miniatures and the rules change to enable that.
A just, staggeringly, cynical attack on their customer base.
At what point will they start accepting blood / organ / first born donations as part payment for products? It feels like that's the next step.
Thanks for the update, love your videos!
GW has everyone by the balls, and they're laughing all the way to the bank. Free army builder app? Not anymore! Freely downloadable datasheets? Not anymore! MUHAHAHAHA...ALL UR MONIES R BELONG TO US! Because what are you going to do? Go play that another uber popular tabletop wargame? Every time GW pulls one of these moves, people threaten to leave, but they still can't pump out sprues and books fast enough to meet demand, so their P&L reports tell them, despite all the noise, everyone's staying right where they are. Just wait until the Unity guy becomes the next CEO of GW. Then the fun really begins!
First time back in the hobby in 17 years. I quit because of college and when the Dark Angels 4th edition codex dropped it was too herald a less power focused edition. Only to be immediately dropped in favor of cheese.
The Lion's return brought me back though. The prices are outrageous. I remember buying squads for 25 dollars. I get inflation. But it can't be that much inflation to drive the current prices
I knew it was coming. Of course they'd paywall the content behind the codex system.
But it's just so boring and annoying. I hoped the codex's would be thinner but cheaper. They could still make more cash, but we wouldn't need to pay as much. But instead they did their usual and just made them more expensive for less content. I really wish they'd just kept the card system for the whole edition. It's been so much easier to play games.
As for the strats...yeah...what can you say. It's nice to have variety of formations (mostly to justify the codex's I bet), but...they could have done that while still keeping strats simple.
They have gone and done a Sigmar 3rd edition again. Let's change things "for the better" then ruin them at the same time.
I stopped to alienate my hobby’s interests to the GW interests since OPR. With OPR, all of my hobby’s interests are satisfied, without alienation.
This isn’t a surprise. Commentators were predicting what would happen based on GW’s past practises. It was just a matter of time to see how many Rubes they could catch. 2nd ed 40k and OPR all the way, for me.
I'm actually glad I didn't drop money on the launch box. Sorry GW, you have scared off another returning player. Bravo.
wow. expect the worse, and still get a surprised
Hi Discourse!
While you are talking about scandals, can you please mention the new Kill Team Strike Force Justian not having half of their rules given two us 2 weeks after launch? There was also consumer misleading regarding sales and availability. Thanks!
idk how 40k players justify their hobby.
in the end everyone's just paying for overpriced toys that has zero resell value
Only thing more scummy they could do at this point would be release plastic aspect warriors and give them a point drop
Codex cost: lmao gonna pirate that shit.
Stratagems: I like them, but they need to limit the amount of them per faction and keep most of them as universal. They start making dozens per faction, they end up with a bunch of situational stratagems that aren't worth the CP.
Price: i double my model kit mileage by building the kit, and 3-d printing bodies/parts to use leftover bits.
Time to sail the seas again friends !!!
No way! I cannot believe it! Who would've thought?!
Anyone remember when they said all the codes for 10th will be free because of the squats 9th codes
It was Warmachine that put me off the idea of unit cards. And they were genuinely fixing issues with the units, but they had to sell a new deck of cards for each faction so you could get the new unit cards. Then the next errata hit. Next verse, just like the first.
If I want unit cards, I'll make my own.
The second paywall for the app got me. I should have seen it coming and i'm ashamed to say I didn't. The minute I saw the locked Tyranid stuff I cancelled my Warhammer+ sub and downloaded battlescribe.
All the people who insisted the rules would be free forever and told us all to stfu despite ... Age of Sigmar's free unit rules vanishing years ago.... "I told you so" just doesn't cut it.
I feel like that meme where the guy slowly turns into a clown.