ok lets kill mc like you said but how can cortana be good, she killed so many people already? maybe we never mention that again, just like we never talk about broken MCC and everyone will forget it ;) problem solved ;)
wait, they wanted a more assault rifle looking Plasma Rifle? Why not the Plasma Repeater?! It's close enough to a assault Rifle while at the same time looking alien
I know. I wish they would have used it because when I first saw it in Reach, I fell in love with its design. It was a nice evolution to the design of the Plasma Rifle. If you held the plasma rifle next to the repeater, you could tell where the design came from. But with the Storm rifle... It's the bastard offspring of a carbine and a western revolver.
Reach was less colorful and more detailed, but it looked like an evolution of the same art style, you could tell it was designed by the same people, and the concept art is amazing to look at on its own 343 art design on the other hand is very clearly designed by completely different people, and lacks any kind of identity other than the very few cues it takes from the older games, which it's actively tried to distance itself from
The new rocket should have been a new type, a heavy rocket, needs slow reload after every shot, does more damage, but has a small splash radius. Basically, more specialized for anti-vehicle. Keep the old rocket as the classic general use one. And the new Pelican sucks, it looks like a real life Hind helicopter with no rotor and a Kim Kardashian sized ass.
The funny part about that is, when I first saw the new Power Rangers suits in the reboot movie, I thought, "Why does their armor look like 343 Spartan Armor?"
Never understood why 343 would change anything in Halo Wars. Also how does Chief's armor change between Halo 3 and 4? Halo 1 to 2 makes sense because it explains it to us in the introductory armoury on Cairo. 3 to 4 on the other hand Chief is in cyro-sleep the whole time in half a ship. 343 don't care about the lore to my knowledge, they just reskin everything just to try and distance themselves from Bungie.
SkyNinja759 343 probably wanted to indicate a shift from the space opera military fiction to a post-war prosperity era. That’s probably why everything is less function over appearance, humanity has won and now they’re able to reverse engineer galaxy-killing tech. Still doesn’t explain how Cortana is able to NANOMACHINES SON upgrade Chief from Spartan II armor to something resembling Spartan IV armor. 343 has a problem with their lore, not that they ignore it, but they add too much and you don’t know where to start.
"the new Call of Duty.... has a vehicle that respects the look of the Pelican more than the 343 Pelican!" That's probably one of the biggest slaps in the face to everyone involved with this whole shebang.
Since 343 claims Halo 6 is going to be like Halo CE it better be dark, rated M, spooky, and awesome!! They better not make it like Halo CE Anniversary but like the original but modern.
Slimy_the _horrible_Guitarist halo ce had an elite with its chest ripped open, as well as a marine, and when you look at flood bodies you can see lots of organs. Not to mention the pools of blood that spill from your enemies. So yeah I think halo ce is pretty deserving of that m rating.
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Ohhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You Know him he is nice'n great person in the Halo Community. He and You are Legend in my opinion. Thanks For These nice videos discussions and also 343 should learn there mistakes. Well, i think they are learning Hopefully Halo 6 could be a nice game guys what do you think of it......
The thing about the new rocket launcher is it looks like the one in every other shooter ever in fact halo is one of the only games I can think of that has a unique style for its rocket launcher so why would you through it out?
The BioShock Rocket Launcher was very unique. What other game has a Rocket Launcher that's made out of a vegetable box, a pipe, a battery, a few wires and fires rockets made of tin cans filled with emptied shotgun shells, fireworks, and duct tape?
The only problem I have for the new design is that the looks are new. Gameplay? Not so much.... When I first saw the new Rocket Launcher I was excited too, I love the old SPNKrs but the idea of loading your weapon with 2 twin tubes and then just ditching them was stupid. I was hoping for new gameplay but it handles the same. Same with the new Warthog machine gun(M343A2), the new Scorpion(M820) and the missile launcher(M80) New weapons, new designs, new specs Same exact things
Yeah. The design on the Halo 5 rocket launcher looks a lot like a bazooka with plastic pieces added to it. To me, it feels like it should be in a Cold War-era FPS, not a future-era FPS. The original rocket launcher worked because it was big and impractical, but since it's the future they can get around those faults :)
I agree that the campaign in Halo 5 was a let-down. The story side of it was, though. The plot. Not the level design. The gameplay, the weapons, the mechanics, the movement, the Warzone game mode, everything is fun for me. And what's more, Halo 5 has the most balanced multiplayer arena system in any of the Halo games. A ranking system right off the bat, for instance.
Naga Sou I like more the new mobility, I think it gives a wider range of options during combat and its more inmersive because it makes you feel like a real super soldier. 343 needs to find a way of pleasing old and new fans alike
***** "It doesn't play like Halo" - Well, yeah. The movement system, right off, doesn't play like the old Halo. But games evolve. The original Halo's combat system and movement system were extremely slow-paced. The games still feel like Halo, just faster and more movement-based.
343's art style is like slapping a bunch of random car parts together and calling it a car. Half of the art is making every part look functional, not just making it look sufficiently bumpy.
I mean thats why I kind of like the new scorpion design, it still looks enough like the original scorpion to be recognisable. But has believable changes which makes it seem like a second gen version the UNSC would conceivably have built to improve upon the original design. Things like the new shotgun annoy me because they dont make sense, its got to many protrusions and random bumpy bits which makes it both look cumbersome and fragile, basically everything you wouldnt want in a combat weapon
@Seiyuan Lin yeah I'd agree on that tough playing devils advocate the turret on the new Scorpion looks like they slapped a bunch of armour round the turret of the CE and 2 scorpion which would make ense to do since the CE and 2 scorpion had lots of exposed bits which to me wouldnt seem like a very good design for a tank which wasnt a 'good enough' vehicle, which given the UNSC situation from CE to 3 I would say is a reasonably fair thing to call most their equipment
No they don’t, they are trying to make their own mark on halo so they had a designer spend hours on it and chose one that they thought would show their own mark.
John Parker ??? No pal. It has very little weapons. Maybe a nose gun, but what's that compared to a full on rocket pod on each wing housing a shit ton of rockets? In a fight, H3 Pelican wins, no trouble. Reach Pelicans will require time and have to get behind it, but considering H3s looks like it's a lot faster it will be problematic for the Reach Pelican. As a huge fan both both, I'd say H3 Pelican is my dream Pelican. I'll pilot that majestic vehicle like Guilty spark spits out those funny lines.... I'm getting bitch slapped! *Chief dies* Reclaimer get up, please!
Shane Alexander I wouldn't say terrible but impractical the halo 5 Spartans are almost only relying on their shields cuz how little actual armor many of the sets have
as an engineer, I will say that the design of new gen warthog is the dumbest thing ever... for a true all terrain vehicle the articulating drive arms are way better than that 4wd system that we have in our modern day, a system that has already been proven obsolete for a real all terrain vehicle... if I can ever get the funding I will build a true warthog, 1 for my love of halo but mainly caws the original design was actually that amazing....
cluster of bluepoop I don't see any UNSC design that problematic since those were not that unique anyway. It's the Covenant's new style I cannot stand.
people like you just cant get this is an evolving world in halo and time moves on, sticking with only the old styles for the sake of it means its gunna get stale. People like you would then bitch "of they arent trying anything new, they lack originality" and dont deny it i know its true, seen it before
They changed it because the Battle Rifle and the DMR were going to be in the same game now. They tried it already in Halo 4, and both guns had a scope. Why? One was for longer range, one was for medium/short range. The Battle Rifle needed to lose the scope and go tac-sight because it wasn't a distance weapon the way the DMR was.
Kyle Huxtable let me explain. Spv3 or single player version 3 is a mod for the pc version of halo ce. This mod was made by cmt or the custom mapping team which had made 3 previous versions. Their own take on the vanilla game spv1 the unfinished spv2 and of course spv3 This mod changes the whole view of halo ce. They added content of their own that fits in the halo universe added more/new weapons,vehicles,equipment,enemies,graphics,and areas of the campaign. The mod even goes as far to add skulls,terminals,levels,and a whole new difficulty. the mod even provides a place for lore fans by adding in areas that were in halo books. Some of the weapons feel entirely new and are worth picking up, like the dmr acts more like a mini sniper such as a real dmr should. The assault rifle is even worth using because it can be used in range and still do considerable amounts of damage. I really suggest you download and play the mod.
Kyle Huxtable That's not the point. All it does is change the look of the gun even further and distances itself even more from the iconic look. There was really no need to change the scope what-so-ever, and it doesn't even matter how they're used. Seriously, I can imagine the Halo 5 Battle Rifle (possibly the Halo 4 version too) in modern CoD or Titanfall. It's pitiful.
I honestly played the Halo 2 Campaign in legacy mode just to hear the iconic battle rifle's burst fire sounds and the old SMG's bullet hose sounds... The new ones sound like you're holding 2 P90s and their rate of fire is garbage. However, the sounds of the gatling gun are incredible.... but the barrels look like shit...
343 should combine the Halo 3 shotgun with the SPV3 shotgun's lights. In spv3, a giant mod for Halo CE on pc, the shotgun's light would change depending on it's ammo in the weapon. Have green for full or nearly full. Have yellow for half full. And red for nearly empty and empty. That's hoe you update something in the art style, not through out what was great and replace it with something that looks like it's from COD
@kjh Yes, they do resemble real weapons more, that's one of the reasons they look less appealing. "Realism" isn't a sufficient excuse, even less so in a setting that literally has space magic.
What the fuck are you talking about Bungie’s shotgun literally looks like a fucking pump action shotgun 343’s shotgun looks like a fucking lump of plastic
343i has made it abundantly clear to me that they couldn't care less about the average Halo player. Instead, they listen to the MLG and high TH-cam subscribr count communities. Loyal gamers that make their voices loud are drowned out by these people. And in many cases, have their ideas/suggestions stolen by them. And sometimes modified to fit their opinions. I love Forge. I've been forging since they provided it to us on PC. I've even made PC models for the PC community until the console got Forge. And Halo5's Forge is by far the best yet. Minus One HUGE Issue! H5's Forge mode requires a internet connection! 343i could have EASILY kept it a offline feature and stuck with the past formula that worked. If a player has a Internet connection, then allow it to use the Cloud to help with the processing. But Requiring Internet to even open it is 100% asinine! Not only is it infuriating to be working on a design, only to have the game crash before you can save. Now we have to deal with the stupid servers crapping out on us WITHOUT WARNING!! Or if our connection has a short hic-up then we loose our progress! And if you've hit you data cap, then you are stuck with all these features that you can't even access! What more, Halo has becone a Online Only Game! No Co-Op AT ALL! No unlocking Items offline! No leveling up/down offline, No Theater Mide Offline! No Customs Offline! No Lan Offline! No Campaign Terminal Stories Offline! No Firefight Offline! NO FORGE OFFLINE! Forge us a big deal so I'll focus on that. 343i invited Halo community members to their studio to test Forge before it was announced. And 343i contunues to listen to them instead of the community as a whole. And thus Forge is STILL Online required and we keep getting stypid stuff like 3 different sizes of pigs, whales, and toy grunts. We still don't have structures! Only now they squeak when it. We have grass and flower patches that are not convincing at all and only cause lag when 2+ players near them. We still have items that do not move nor rotate as they should. WE STILL DON'T HAVE TRAIT ZONES THAT WOULD MAKE SCRIPTING A THOUSAND TIMES EASIER!! We have terribly designed maps (Ducain23's being one of the worse). We still don't have classic game modes. And we are given stupid stuff in regs that can't be used in customs or MP. There are hundreds of avatar emblems (mostly stupid looking ones) but many classic emblems (like the spider) are still missing! And why were animals removed from the campaign?! We had them in Reach and they simply vanished! Don't come back with the whole Prefab option as a argument. They were not even thought of when they were working on H5's Forge. And they tand to take up needed resources or don't match all map designs. They also have to be taken apart to even get them to work in many custom maps. Look at what we do have. Most of these items and options are b/c someone happened upon a glitch and 343i just made it easuer to work with. Vehicle welding comes to mind. Or b/c 343i wanted a way to use community builds (hence prefabs). If 343i listened to the community as a whole, theb Halo4 and Halo5 would have been released with these features from the start. Cortana would never have became the bad guy. Brutes, Drones, animals, Flood etc would be in the games. The look of the characters and items would not look like it's from Call Of Duty. Online would not be required for 95% or so of tge game. And the campaign stories would not suck! Most notibly Halo5's!
***** If you think my SHORT comment is long, then I take it, you've never read a book without pictures. It's shown in a TH-cam comments format. Which in turns makes it look much longer then it actually is. It'll take you sixty seconds or less to read it, if you bothered to try. Bet you consider this post too long to read as well.
While I do greatly appreciate and miss THE CLASSIC plasma rifle, I do greatly like the Storm Rifle. I just wish that 343 brought back the ACTUAL plasma rifle and not the horrible Overheats in 5 seconds brute version. Another point that 343 doesn't listen as well. We wanted the PLASMA rifle the one that the elites held in their hands like badasses.
Honestly the Storm Rifle looks like the Carbine from Halo 2 and 3 and could fit with how Elites would want a version of the Carbine that doesn't cause radiation poison.
i agree with jonathan, i there must e some sort of "problem" with sticking a bungie style appealing and sticking with the fans you have. Re-making it will surely bring new people, but at the loss of its main player base. People that didnt like it before probably still dont.
I think that comes to the brand identity. They are selling us HALO. We the playerbase buy HALO, and that's what we like. But it's becoming just another generic shooter under 343's stewardship. Microsoft loves the money Halo brings in. A wildly successful series, dedicated fanbase... And it makes perfect sense that 343 is trying to find its own way. But making a different game under the Halo name is just a disservice to the fans. I can respect what they're trying to do, but I don't think it's going to end well for them OR the fans if they get what they want. What they "want" isn't really what they want, and I think Halo 5 is teaching them that. Here's to hoping Halo 6 will begin to right the missteps they've made so far.
My biggest issues were definitely the pelican, rocket launcher and MCs armor. I'm fine with other new spartans armor being different, makes sense because it's an upgrade but MCs just changed for no reason and it just looks bad to be honest. It's really clunky and he feels so much heavier. He's supposed to be heavy but it's never been an issue before and shouldn't be as he's like super human and I assume the armor has stuff in it to help him move more fluidly. Every step he takes is followed by a loud thud which was never there before and again yes he is supposed to be heavy but there are hundreds of different ways to mute such noises and since it's combat armor it's something they definitely would/should do. It's just so unrealistic sneaking up on enemies and such when every cutscene he clunks around like everyone in the next room would be able to hear him coming anyway. Pelican redesign is one of the worst things I have ever seen. It's horrible. The old pelican was sleek and really cool looking but they just replaced it with this huge brick thing that looks nearly nothing like the original. The pelican was one of my favorite vehicles in the game so it really breaks my heart to see if ruined so badly with no regard at all. The rocket launcher makes no sense either. It had a unique design that made sense and worked well. They just took it out and threw in a generic rocket launcher you can see in pretty much any game. The only thing that even resembles the old is maybe the handle sticking out the side? Changing from double barrels to single is silly too. Imagine what people would say if you took out the double barrel in doom? There would be an uprising. It's iconic and taking it out is like spitting on the source material. Changing things to their own style to identify themselves as the company in charge now is fine but they have no regard for the originals and it's kind of insulting to the creators and everyone who's played the games since the first.
I think the Pelican could work, if they made it a larger version of the original Pelican (hence the two cockpit things) and not make the middle look really fat. Maybe if the wings were extended more or even twice as many wings on it could make it stand out as a large version of the original Pelican
"The rocket launcher makes no sense either. It had a unique design that made sense and worked well." A _rotating_ double barreled rocket launcher that holds _two explosive rounds_ *does not make sense.* Throwing away 80% of the weapon's mass and volume just to reload it also *does not make sense.* "Imagine what people would say if you took out the double barrel in doom?" Ever heard of single shot break open shotguns? Also, a double barrel is *not as long as you are tall nor is it as thick as your torso.* You also don't throw away the entire barrel assembly and replace it with another barrel assembly to reload it.
that's not the point though, if you wanna be like that another analogy would be replacing the BFG with a generic tactical nuclear launcher. And a rotating barrel on a rocket launcher that holds 2 charges makes a ton of sense. It allows for quicker firing of the rockets, and the reload is just jamming two charges back in at the same time. Same with the double barrel in doom. Who cares if it is too large? Doomguy can obviously handle much larger weapons anyway, and you don't throw away the barrel when reloading, because that is stupid, he just loads two more cartridges in.
Take your last paragraph's last sentence and use its logic to refute the spnkr design flaw. Also. _Generic Tactical Nuclear Launcher?_ Is there even such a thing in real life? Think for a fucking second, okay. A fucking *Tac Nuke.* And the BFG is what? An overly large, glorified battle rifle? Versus a machine that fires multiple nuclear warheads in quick succession? You're way of thinking is inconsistent. You should get that checked and straightened out before I argue with you any further.
@@kaistzar2831 It does not look like a toy. It looks like a generic rocket launcher. If i picked someone who has played the old halos but not the new ones and showed it to him he would not recognize it. Yet the spanker is recognized by even some non-gamers as being the rocket launcher from halo. Even my mom knows what the rocket launcher from halo looks like ffs!
The Bungie Pelican is also more efficient with it's thrusters. The older Pelicans had thrusters on the bottom to help it hover, if you look at the newer pelicans the whole wing flips up like an osprey which kinda restricts its forward movement while hovering
love the feedback program, I try to do the surveys whenever possible. it might be the only way to truly reach them without toxifying the waypoint forums.
Sidewinder Gaming They don't give a fuck about feedback on Waypoint. For example, the first 50 pages of the Official Firefight Feedback Thread were very constructive. Yet 343 Industries ignored everything. Giving feedback to 343 is the same as talking to a wall. Nothing will happen!
Sidewinder Gaming i feel bad when i don't answer some of their surveys, cause id love to give my feedback but i just dont play halo 5 enough anymore, cant even tell you how the req system works. But that last one i could actually give my opinions on.
I've always wondered how they are going to make the switch after Halo Wars 2, like is everyone just going to appear with Halo 2 BR's and Gen 1 looking armor out of nowhere or are the characters going to talk about this old tech that they should use again in the Spirit of Fire?
Tbh i dont want them to mention the switch because i like to picture in my mind that the new art style is not relevant but then again, the game would look a little off to some people making a big switch.
Andrew Truax "is everyone just going to appear with halo 2 battle rifles in the next halo game"? Well yes let me explain: 343 never had a problem magically giving chief br85's in halo 4 on the dawn. Where the fuck did he get it from? So therefore, magically going back to the old art style, honestly, no one would complain
***** So the fact that this is an advanced setting has no bearing on the fact that maybe they don't need the bulky tank-plate armor anymore? The new Spartan armor isn't made specifically for each one anymore- it's mass-produced, since they can make more Spartans now in a much easier way than before. The armor is a bit cheaper, and still as effective. It's meant for a faster, more agile Spartan than the lumbering brick that we had before. The new weapons are clunky, yes, but then, that's what this military in....what year was it, almost 2600? The ships are spaceships. Bulky and hard to manuever in atmo, maybe, but the ships aren't meant for atmospheric stays. They're meant for space, where being aerodynamic is irrelevant. The Pelican, alright, I don't know much about aeronautics, but I won't just believe this one video on it. I'll check more into it. As for the snagging thing, the only thing I see that would have a problem would be the Spartan armor, but then, they're encased in a protective energy shield that makes those edges moot. The shields would be more liquid-like, and thus, no snagging.
Forerunner architecture is so bad to you that it makes your eyeballs fly out of their sockets? Up, up and away? Yeah, if it messed up my body's physics that bad, I'd skip those levels too.
As much as I agree with everything said in this and I love all your videos, I came back to this specific one just to point out at 6:54 that you put the red sight on the Shotgun at the completely wrong place. I see how you made that mistake since that screenshot has the FOV increased (also since 343's Shotgun looks like a garbled stick of metal), but for some reason it's been bugging me especially since nobody seemed to point it out in the comments lmao. Like, you photoshopped the sights near the very butt of the gun, it should be in front of the reload chamber where you place the shotgun shells. Anyways love the videos, been binge watching the past few nights for some reason. I want more Q&A episodes
i can put up with huntwrs re design, but my god, why did they remove the assault beam and replace it with that god awful piw piw turret thing which can fucking follow you around 90 degree corners
MaximumRageQuit In my opinion, I think it's because the AI are lacking when it comes to combat prowess, so to compensate they add an agregious amount of tracking to their weapons.
@@isaiahlee2902 its cus Halo 4 and 5 went with generic good graphics, so it's all just the same. But I bet you can remember just about every mission in the previous titles, why? Because the games were centered around being remembered and fondly at that
Pfft ever since they got the series they only seem to care about MLG and top streamers (Aka wannabe MLGs). Then again that seems to be the big trend in games right now anyways...
well keep in mind, the pelicans from 4 and 5 aren't the same dropship variants. Captain Laskey mentioned it with the title of "gunship" which basically means this is a much more combat oriented craft. Personally I'd loved to have seen the old pelicans flying alongside the new ones to really show these new ones as flying escort for key transported personnel, but with the fact that these new gunship variants can still transport people, it makes sense on how the old ones would get mothballed. thinking from a military mass production and logistics aspect of things, as well as accounting for the four year time difference between halos 3 and 4, it makes sense. as for the rocket launcher, I don't really see any reason why they'd have gone that route other than to lower costs for better mass production, but that theory goes flying out the window with so many other tech advances the UNSC has made since halo 3. Just some food for thought :)
Guns are cool. I kinda agree with both you and the late night gaming I think the new rocket launcher is fine, the fact that they tried to remove the old one pissed me off. I could see both variants in the game as different types of rocket launchers. But removing the spankr and utterly replacing it is different. That's like making it illegal for the christians to have their cross and only allowing it to make a new one
the p90 is an amazing weapon in it's own right, but the original SMG fit the role a whole lot better in providing a clear, alternative take that very likely could appear at some point in the future, as opposed to the p90 wanna-be.
What if the Storm Rifle was reverse engineered using a human Assault Rifle? It wouldn't surprise me if the Covenant would do something like that after losing to humanity so many times.
I miss the smooth forunner style not the ruff jagged weapons and enemies remember halo 2 the giant sentinels those things were awesome so we're the sentinels but the prometheans aren't forruners but that's just my opinion though
I don't know why, but the only way I can describe the new Halo art style is by calling it hard or "crunchy" for some reason. Everything has sharp edges and feels stiff
"They're losing their fanbase!" Tell me about it man, I was playing Halo since CE. I bought special edition for 4 and that was the last straw. So many wrong turns that 343 made from the moment their boots hit the ground. Battlerifle got the overhaul it never needed back then too, a bunch of forgettable weapons added to the game, promethians (garbagians), Jesus Christ got added too, like wtf were they thinking?! The last real Halo game was Halo 3. Halo 2 is still king though.
kjh the original fans do dickhead, they’re tired of seeing the halo name dragged through the mud, it used to be one of the leading FPS’s on the market, now it’s name is just a joke. Speaking of jokes, your pathetic excuses of comments on this particular video in different sections. Work on that bud ;)
I agree with your opinions in a 95% average. These art style videos are 100% what I feel about this issue. Thanks for making these kind of videos man, keep up the great work!
this design makes the scorpion more heavy however. the original was nimble and hard hitting but they sacrificed that to the point where you cant dodge wraith mortars.
***** if people read the books, they would realize that luck is a major theme for john and that thing airlock thing is not luck as it is cramming trig and algebra into their heads as kids.
i honestly like the rocket launcher redesign, it sounds and feel cool, not to mention its "bazooka-ish" aura it gives, it still isn't no SPNKR launcher, but the "clunk" sounds for when a rocket or "clip" is loaded into it is just too satisfying
just gonna put this out there, but the design for the guardians shown in that halo 5 teaser years ago was soooo much better than the design we actually got.
my biggest gripe with the 343 redesigns has got to be with the jackals and the elites. the elites look retarded. with flabs of skin for mouths, and they're covered in scales and spikes. and if the jackals didn't walk around with their round, glowing energy shields, I would swear that the covenant resurrected dinosaurs.
That's not what I liked about the Halo shotgun. The Halo shotgun was the most unique shotgun design ever made, imagine this: A shotgun with a tube magazine... on TOP of the barrel? wwwwWWWWHHHHATTTT?!?! I hated the reach design too, the barrel end doesn't look menacing, when I first played Halo Reach, I thought the grenade launcher was the shotgun because of this.
Things in the new art style I don't like Pelican Battle rifle DMR Plasma pistol Warthog Scorpion Rocket launcher Elites Grunts Master chief Marines Wraith Phantom Spirit Frigates Shot gun Magnum Sniper Things I do like Assault rifle Storm rifle Mongoose Ghost Banshee Needler Spartan laser Frag grenade Plasma grenade Plasma caster The promethians things are good in some aspects but need a couple changes and and a different art style
The old UNSC guns "At least used to" look more military like and realistic. But the halo 5 BR is just terrible. With the light up back and the, TERRIBLE holo iron sight thing, it is way too sci-fi. I know halo is sci-fi, but the USNC guns used to be more realistic.
Can everyone just hear me out for a minute: The new designs and art styles for Halo is 50/50, there’s a lot of good and a lot of bad. Prime example for bad being the poor grunts and elites, the elites are like walking tanks and are clumsy, they’re essentially brutes. Grunts just look weird. I suppose you can talk about things like the new rocket launcher and SMG as they are abnormal and aren’t traditional. However there’s also a lot of good things. I really don’t see the problem with the new scorpion, it feels like an absolute beast and the sound it makes when you fire a shell is incredible. I prefer it to the old scorpion anyway, the same can be said for the new jackal design and the hunters, the hunters are devastating and look ferocious. On a personal note I love chiefs new armour but I think the excuse as to how it was given was shit. He should’ve kept his Mark VI until he was on the infinity. Furthermore, the marines in Halo 4 looked okay but I do miss the old ones, I think they should either be like reach or a slightly more advanced version of halo 3’s marines. This is just view on the whole art style
My gripes with the Art Design at present, I'll start with the UNSC. Currently, most of the weapons, vehicles, ships, and gear being used by the UNSC feel more like they are intended for civilian or private use. They just don't feel "military" to me. Let's look at the example of the pelican, the old design I could imagine being used by a military, to transport troops and supplies. The newer design just seems more civilian in it's overall look and design. And things also feel a little cartoony, like the amour the marines and Spartans now have. it just doesn't look practical or look like something a military would use. Now for the covenant. I'm not a fan of the newer designs. Look at grunts for instance. Why did they need to change at all? Same with the Elites. With regards to their weapons, why use all the same old gear, yet use the storm rifle as a replacement for the plasma rifle? Plasma Rifle was definitely more iconic. The vehicles seem okay, but I much preferred the older style and look to them. The new spirit looks like something out of Michael Bays Transformers with the way the doors on the side open (more on transformers in a moment) The Prometheans, which you've covered previously, just feel way to over-designed and don't feel like forerunner machines at all. Everything about them currently feels like they would be right at home in a Michael Bay Transformers movie. They have so many individual parts, and everything glows and moves, much like transformers. The weapons they use look exactly like something the autobots and decipticons would use, especially with the way they fold up and such when using smart-scope (looking at you Suppressor!) they just don't feel like Forerunner machines, unlike how Sentinels and Enforcers do. I hope 343I are listening to the community. The art-design needs to change, among other things. Stop trying to change the designs so much to the point where it doesn't feel like Halo.
The Covenant ships. When playing 'Blue Team' for the first time and you see this fleet approaching the station, I thought to myself "who are these geesers?" And when one of Blue Team says "The Covenant Fleet" I was like "........ooooooooooooooookay...". Honestly thought it was a new party/faction, or maybe non UNSC Human/non Covenant alien ships.
@@kaisipe412 That's fair. To me, one of the different ships did look a little like their previous Covie design, but only a little. The rest to me, just looked like they could be alien ships from any sci-fi series. I still like their new designs, but they don't really scream 'Halo' or 'iconic' to me. (Not saying that in a die-hard Bungie fan kinda way haha). I am more than happy for 343 to either slightly update or hugely change the designs made by Bungie, to make it their own. Like, how I see it, for the less iconic looking weapons/vehicles, they have more leeway in how drastically they can redesign them. But for the more iconic designs, I feel like they need to just "update" and not do a full redesign, or at least still keep certain aspects of what made those weapons/vehicles so iconic looking.
idk if this is just me, but the first halo game is a totaly different experience for me than the others, something about you crashlanding on a uninhabited planet like ring with buildings scattered everywhere is just so unique.
You know what I hate and detest about Halo now? The sounds...oh jeez the sounds are atrociously terribly bad. Everything sounds like a pew pew weapon. Take the Needler for example which I find to be one of the worst offenders. Before it sounded more intimidating, now it's as if it's from Star Trek or something with no menacing feel. Completely out of place and I hate it. I miss the old sounds from halo 3 and before. Even Reach's were acceptable.
People like you give me hope man, I am so glad that you take the time to make these videos. I really coulnd't agree with you more , I've had this disscusion a couple of times in the past on places lilke Halo Reddit, but people over there seem to think that 343 can do no wrong for the most part, and when you try to put across an idea like this, it's shut down almost immediatly by people who think you're attacking 343 and brand you a "hater" lol. Bungie evolved and iterated upon what they had initially established in Halo CE, over the course of the three games, that gave all Halos coming after an identity that stuck. Halo CE, 2, 3 and Reach all look different from one another, yet they all "feel" similar, artistically speaking. If Halo Wars 2 is all 343's doing (artistically) then this is (by far) the best job they have done at creating something that feels so much like (Halo). I genuinely believe that Halo Wars 2's art style is the best that we have had. Halo 4 and even Halo 5 felt too different imo, and rather than interpret designs from older games, I felt that 343 just straight up changed things, and mostly for the sake of it. Also on a side note to any naysayers, harkening back to the identity of something that took 10 years to establish, is not nostalgia, as many Halo 4 and Halo 5 fans like to say. It's just the right thing to do, look at how much positivity has surrounded Halo Wars 2, and people mainly highlighting the art style as a point of praise. Things like the armour of certain enemies, the environment of worlds and calligraphy on old Forerunner structures are as iconic to Halo as the USS Enterprise is to Star Trek, or the Lightsabers, Jedi and Sith are to Star Wars. Things should never just be changed for the sake of it, especially things that make up the identity of what you are tasked with creating/interpreting.
Just FYI, the Halo Reddit is a 343i circlejerk. 343i fanboys and not Halo fanboys patrol them. Criticism of anything 343i is generally (except MCC) downvoted and shit. For example, when someone pointed out how the Fall of Reach animation was an abomination compared to the original novel by Bungie, he got downvoted. If you highlight how 343i lied during press releases, you will also get downvoted....
Valdric Lim Yeah, I got the feeling after a few weeks on there. I have no idea why it's like that. It's really frustrating. The people over there are utterly close-minded, and refuse to accept the truth and logical arguments.
Tartarus did 9/11 Enchiridion I have no idea what the age demographics of that Halo reddit is, but there's these trends I see: - People suddenly proclaiming Reach was the best. please. If anyone was actually playing Halo
Enchiridion that's all fine and dandy but let's not pretend haters don't exist or bungie dick riders or blind 343 haters or fanboys who can't let go of there blind nostalgia let's not pretend those things dont exist cause they do and there are a lot of them
Also, speaking of things that didn't need to be changed... i.imgur.com/2dpE1uZ.jpg Why did 343 feel the need to make the Warthog gatling gun (also a very iconic video game piece) into a solid mass rotating cylinder... Like... who TF is making these decisions?
kjh the true fans decline you and your pathetic fanboyism over 343’s “changes” go back to the micro transaction filled mess that is halo 5 with it’s pathetic excuse of a campaign, halo has become a joke.
1. the storm rifle is different because its not a covenent designed weapon, its a sangheili designed weapon intended for mass production and easy use/maintenance. that and it is more practical as a rifle than the plasma smg(it isn't a rifle) 2. as with any progressing universe, technology needs to change, to advance, the spanker was an outdated design, the new version is a much more practical design. same with the scorpion, the military in real life replaces outdated vehicles and weapon systems all the time, so the unsc wouldn't be any different.
define " designs do not look like something from halo" its an alien weapon that is a successor to the plasma rifle and it fires plasma. it fits in just fine.
so therefore, when 343 inevitably replace the classic AR with an AK47 for example, you will think its absolutely acceptable because it "is a successor to the classic AR and fires bullets, so therefore it fits in just fine"? Or would you be concerned that the AK47 would not fit with halo's art style?
that is a terrible argument the ak is a weapon that isn't fictional so therefore it wouldn't work in halo, although in halo there has been weapons used by the insurrectionists that are well inspired by the ak, being an easy to produce workhorse weapon. and how could an ak be a successor to something 500 years later, and 343 will never replace the AR, not like bungie tried to do in h2. the storm rifle does fit the artstyle, its purple, has the same scale pattern and fires plasma.
The new pelican shouldn’t really be called a pelican, it’s more like a goose
Ryaquaza 1 but not a mongoose
It should be a Duck
@kjh Your statement is way out of context here. Wrong section maybe?
@kjh And since when did space windows have anything to do with gooses and ducks?
It’s worse than a goose mate
'343 working on the next game': MORNING TEAM, ANY NEW IDEAS ON HOW TO STRATEGICALLY PISS OFF THE FAN BASE?
ok lets kill mc like you said but how can cortana be good, she killed so many people already? maybe we never mention that again, just like we never talk about broken MCC and everyone will forget it ;) problem solved ;)
MarioBrosReborn then we will leave off content on Halo 5!
DakHowardly 😐 "get out." -Project Head
How about we take out the warthog and replace it with the all new dodge ram AND we wont even put a turret on it
Or we start with masterchief waking up in a cryotube and everything that happened in halo 4-5 was a dream
wait, they wanted a more assault rifle looking Plasma Rifle? Why not the Plasma Repeater?! It's close enough to a assault Rifle while at the same time looking alien
and better than the storm.
TheRed Hawk the repeater was very weak tho.. but Yeah it did look better
it was more of a harrass kind of thing to let someone else deal the killing blow, unlike the plasma rifle it did decent damage.
Yeah true. i Just like the storm rifle for some reason
I know. I wish they would have used it because when I first saw it in Reach, I fell in love with its design. It was a nice evolution to the design of the Plasma Rifle. If you held the plasma rifle next to the repeater, you could tell where the design came from. But with the Storm rifle... It's the bastard offspring of a carbine and a western revolver.
That rocket launcher looks too much like DOOM's rocket launcher.
It’s probably a reference
@@coiledbug2394 no. Halo came out before doom 2016 did
No I’m talking about the 1994 one
bluewolf gamer uuh halo was inspired off of doom
@@kaisimmons504 oh. I thought he was talking about doom 2016s rocket launcher because of the similar green color and shape
4:18 "According to all known laws of aviation, there is no way the Halo 5 Pelican should be able to fly."
In the same sense, it is literally impossible for the halo 1 2 3 pelican to go backwards
“But the halo 5 pelican flies anyways, because the halo 5 pelican does not care what the player base thinks”
Halo Reach was sitting on the sweet spot when it came to art style. Not too different, not too similar to other Halo games.
Ae7herium I totally agree, i like the assault rifle in halo 4 more then any other but the marines In reach are the best looking for sure
I love Halo Wars 2 art style, I think it’s the best of both
Not having a BR was a sin
BR is trash, DMR is god
Reach was less colorful and more detailed, but it looked like an evolution of the same art style, you could tell it was designed by the same people, and the concept art is amazing to look at on its own
343 art design on the other hand is very clearly designed by completely different people, and lacks any kind of identity other than the very few cues it takes from the older games, which it's actively tried to distance itself from
Clearly 343 is not suited to carry *The Mantle of Responsibility*
buahahahahahahahahaha
Nice one
The Mantle shelters all, but only Bungie is its master.
*Halo Infinite*
I would add another "like" but I think the number itself is quite fitting
All I want in halo 6 is the needle rifle back
Spartan Batty like the one from reach, maybye they could even make it semi and up damage, kinda like the blood of suban req but looks cooler
Wes Hughes AGREED
Blood of Suban, just different name, and design.
I miss that monster.
yeeessssssss three shots BOOOM! one of favorites next too the assault rifles oh and don forget the plasma rifle
The new rocket should have been a new type, a heavy rocket, needs slow reload after every shot, does more damage, but has a small splash radius. Basically, more specialized for anti-vehicle. Keep the old rocket as the classic general use one.
And the new Pelican sucks, it looks like a real life Hind helicopter with no rotor and a Kim Kardashian sized ass.
in my own opinion, the hind is pretier than the new pelican
The rocket is already a one shot
We had that already, it was called the Spartan Laser.
@@RJALEXANDER777 how about a giant shoulder mounted shotgum
@@sheeplord4976 if they brought the old shotgun with the 12 shell magazine tube that would be amazing. Cause let's face it 5 shells can't do buck
The Spartans look like Power Rangers... Only Power Rangers should look like Power Rangers..
lol good one
Sir Percival agree
The funny part about that is, when I first saw the new Power Rangers suits in the reboot movie, I thought, "Why does their armor look like 343 Spartan Armor?"
Your mom looks like a power ranger
the recruits armor ok but the others are just wtf bring back the armor from reach right
when me and my dad played halo 3 he was supprised by how realistic it seemed. then he watched me play halo 5 he said it looks cartoony
REDMIST Prime Same here with my Dad. He hates how Halo 5 looks. I agree mostly.
#nomorebuzzlightyearadvenureinplasticland
same my mum said that and she loves halo.
Bullshit.
Justin Littlebrook Technically Halo 3 is also cartoonish cause they were made from a studio.
Also, the Spirit of Fire shouldn't even HAVE ANY of the new 343 designs cause the ship literally DATES THE FECK back to the early times of the WAR!
Never understood why 343 would change anything in Halo Wars.
Also how does Chief's armor change between Halo 3 and 4? Halo 1 to 2 makes sense because it explains it to us in the introductory armoury on Cairo. 3 to 4 on the other hand Chief is in cyro-sleep the whole time in half a ship. 343 don't care about the lore to my knowledge, they just reskin everything just to try and distance themselves from Bungie.
both of you piss off 343 has creative control they dont need your approval
@@XArctracerX They don't need approval from the fans? Sounds like it's a "get woke, go broke" situation then.
Halo Wars 2 has a post-war AI working with the Spirit of Fire, it’s plausible that it could have post war design knowledge.
SkyNinja759 343 probably wanted to indicate a shift from the space opera military fiction to a post-war prosperity era. That’s probably why everything is less function over appearance, humanity has won and now they’re able to reverse engineer galaxy-killing tech. Still doesn’t explain how Cortana is able to NANOMACHINES SON upgrade Chief from Spartan II armor to something resembling Spartan IV armor. 343 has a problem with their lore, not that they ignore it, but they add too much and you don’t know where to start.
"the new Call of Duty.... has a vehicle that respects the look of the Pelican more than the 343 Pelican!"
That's probably one of the biggest slaps in the face to everyone involved with this whole shebang.
Flying box with tiny wings huh? The Thunderhawk gunship from 40k would like to have a word.
*knock knock*
>breaks down door its the inquisition open up.
Did somebody call
=][=
The inquisition would like to speak to you.
I remember someone did a wind tunnel test of the models and they were... Interesting?
As in horrible?
Since 343 claims Halo 6 is going to be like Halo CE it better be dark, rated M, spooky, and awesome!! They better not make it like Halo CE Anniversary but like the original but modern.
Change my mind:Halo CE and 3 shouldn't have been rated M
Yeah that's never going to happen.
Slimy_the _horrible_Guitarist halo ce had an elite with its chest ripped open, as well as a marine, and when you look at flood bodies you can see lots of organs. Not to mention the pools of blood that spill from your enemies. So yeah I think halo ce is pretty deserving of that m rating.
InstallationMan1171 halo infinite is on its way men!
Slimy_the _horrible_Guitarist 3 maybe... but CE was dark enough
Bro, I love your points on the art style in most of your examples! Good stuff!
-Jacob
HaloFollower thanks a lot Jacob!! Also halo follower commented on my video 👌👌
Yay! It's not Chris!
Hi chris bro how are you nice to meet you dude you are one of the most important persons in the Halo Community......
At least in my opinion.
Carry on your theories and Like you loved those points I also did love those.......
Anyway How to participate in your that 80 $ like something........
Ohhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You Know him he is nice'n great person in the Halo Community.
He and You are Legend in my opinion.
Thanks For These nice videos discussions and also 343 should learn there mistakes.
Well, i think they are learning Hopefully Halo 6 could be a nice game guys what do you think of it......
OOoops That's Jacob right sorry little mistake anyways please don't mind!
The thing about the new rocket launcher is it looks like the one in every other shooter ever in fact halo is one of the only games I can think of that has a unique style for its rocket launcher so why would you through it out?
P.S make a part 3 pls
Same. the new Rocket Launcher looks good by video game weapon design standards, but the dual tube SPNKr Launcher from previous games.
The BioShock Rocket Launcher was very unique. What other game has a Rocket Launcher that's made out of a vegetable box, a pipe, a battery, a few wires and fires rockets made of tin cans filled with emptied shotgun shells, fireworks, and duct tape?
The only problem I have for the new design is that the looks are new.
Gameplay? Not so much....
When I first saw the new Rocket Launcher I was excited too, I love the old SPNKrs but the idea of loading your weapon with 2 twin tubes and then just ditching them was stupid.
I was hoping for new gameplay but it handles the same.
Same with the new Warthog machine gun(M343A2), the new Scorpion(M820) and the missile launcher(M80)
New weapons, new designs, new specs
Same exact things
Yeah. The design on the Halo 5 rocket launcher looks a lot like a bazooka with plastic pieces added to it. To me, it feels like it should be in a Cold War-era FPS, not a future-era FPS. The original rocket launcher worked because it was big and impractical, but since it's the future they can get around those faults :)
Honestly at the rate things are going with 343i, Halo 6 will either make or break them.
Skythe Annur we said that for mcc, and halo 5
I agree that the campaign in Halo 5 was a let-down. The story side of it was, though. The plot. Not the level design. The gameplay, the weapons, the mechanics, the movement, the Warzone game mode, everything is fun for me.
And what's more, Halo 5 has the most balanced multiplayer arena system in any of the Halo games. A ranking system right off the bat, for instance.
Naga Sou I like more the new mobility, I think it gives a wider range of options during combat and its more inmersive because it makes you feel like a real super soldier.
343 needs to find a way of pleasing old and new fans alike
***** is it sad to say it might before the best?
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"It doesn't play like Halo" - Well, yeah. The movement system, right off, doesn't play like the old Halo. But games evolve. The original Halo's combat system and movement system were extremely slow-paced. The games still feel like Halo, just faster and more movement-based.
343's art style is like slapping a bunch of random car parts together and calling it a car. Half of the art is making every part look functional, not just making it look sufficiently bumpy.
I mean thats why I kind of like the new scorpion design, it still looks enough like the original scorpion to be recognisable. But has believable changes which makes it seem like a second gen version the UNSC would conceivably have built to improve upon the original design.
Things like the new shotgun annoy me because they dont make sense, its got to many protrusions and random bumpy bits which makes it both look cumbersome and fragile, basically everything you wouldnt want in a combat weapon
@Seiyuan Lin yeah I'd agree on that tough playing devils advocate the turret on the new Scorpion looks like they slapped a bunch of armour round the turret of the CE and 2 scorpion which would make ense to do since the CE and 2 scorpion had lots of exposed bits which to me wouldnt seem like a very good design for a tank which wasnt a 'good enough' vehicle, which given the UNSC situation from CE to 3 I would say is a reasonably fair thing to call most their equipment
No they don’t, they are trying to make their own mark on halo so they had a designer spend hours on it and chose one that they thought would show their own mark.
Back in Halo 3 when the question "what would an elite make a phantom look like" the answer was "well shit just make it fockin green"
the old pelican is amazing
Josh Eastham Reach pelican is better than your
They’re basically the same.
John Parker ??? No pal. It has very little weapons. Maybe a nose gun, but what's that compared to a full on rocket pod on each wing housing a shit ton of rockets? In a fight, H3 Pelican wins, no trouble. Reach Pelicans will require time and have to get behind it, but considering H3s looks like it's a lot faster it will be problematic for the Reach Pelican. As a huge fan both both, I'd say H3 Pelican is my dream Pelican. I'll pilot that majestic vehicle like Guilty spark spits out those funny lines....
I'm getting bitch slapped! *Chief dies* Reclaimer get up, please!
Please cover the look of the Spartan's armor. 90% of the armor in halo 5 looks terrible.
Shane Alexander I wouldn't say terrible but impractical the halo 5 Spartans are almost only relying on their shields cuz how little actual armor many of the sets have
Their new armor looks more like they're secretly the flood in disguise hiding their horrid mutations than anything else..
Danny Malzahn
They just don't look natural in my opinion.
The wet work helmet literally looks like a vagina
Because I've seen both, guy. If you haven't, quick Google search will provide some good reference points to go off of. Wet work: metal vagina helmet.
as an engineer, I will say that the design of new gen warthog is the dumbest thing ever... for a true all terrain vehicle the articulating drive arms are way better than that 4wd system that we have in our modern day, a system that has already been proven obsolete for a real all terrain vehicle... if I can ever get the funding I will build a true warthog, 1 for my love of halo but mainly caws the original design was actually that amazing....
@kjh Dude, chill
The good thing is that it’s just a video game so it literally doesn’t matter a bit
Mez Martinez i think someone built it already a die hard fan look it up
Ye like Baja buggy suspension
And you forgot it wears gasoline unlike the original... In 2552
the old scorpion actually kinda looked like a scorpion, the new one.... not so much
FozzieOscar Out of all my years of playing Halo, I never realized the scorpion, looked like a scorpion
@@Tazdingoyahahahahaha ...
new one is much better
@@coolerbloodman4226 Agreed, new one looks better
Yeah, the new one is A LOT a better than the old one
7:32 *proceeds to be a part of a halo focus group as a really big fan*
I 100% agree. If they do not change the designs and respect the classic halo art style in halo 6 I'll be very dissappointed.
bluebanana I probably won't buy it
I didn't buy halo 5 after 4 and I won't be buying 6.
same but I like the scorp tho
cluster of bluepoop I don't see any UNSC design that problematic since those were not that unique anyway. It's the Covenant's new style I cannot stand.
people like you just cant get this is an evolving world in halo and time moves on, sticking with only the old styles for the sake of it means its gunna get stale. People like you would then bitch "of they arent trying anything new, they lack originality" and dont deny it i know its true, seen it before
You forgot to mention how about in Halo 5 they replaced the classic scope on the battle rifle with a generic red dot sight design.
They changed it because the Battle Rifle and the DMR were going to be in the same game now. They tried it already in Halo 4, and both guns had a scope. Why? One was for longer range, one was for medium/short range.
The Battle Rifle needed to lose the scope and go tac-sight because it wasn't a distance weapon the way the DMR was.
Kyle Huxtable spv3 handled the dmr and battle rifle in a much better way.
sh!t poster
SPV3? What now?
Kyle Huxtable let me explain.
Spv3 or single player version 3 is a mod for the pc version of halo ce. This mod was made by cmt or the custom mapping team which had made 3 previous versions. Their own take on the vanilla game spv1 the unfinished spv2 and of course spv3
This mod changes the whole view of halo ce. They added content of their own that fits in the halo universe added more/new weapons,vehicles,equipment,enemies,graphics,and areas of the campaign.
The mod even goes as far to add skulls,terminals,levels,and a whole new difficulty.
the mod even provides a place for lore fans by adding in areas that were in halo books.
Some of the weapons feel entirely new and are worth picking up, like the dmr acts more like a mini sniper such as a real dmr should. The assault rifle is even worth using because it can be used in range and still do considerable amounts of damage.
I really suggest you download and play the mod.
Kyle Huxtable That's not the point. All it does is change the look of the gun even further and distances itself even more from the iconic look. There was really no need to change the scope what-so-ever, and it doesn't even matter how they're used.
Seriously, I can imagine the Halo 5 Battle Rifle (possibly the Halo 4 version too) in modern CoD or Titanfall. It's pitiful.
Sound Design next pls.
I agree.
Yes I would like to hear your opinion on this topic Taras. I have some very strong opinion on it.
I think the sound design is fantastic in halo 4 and 5. Not talking about the music of course.
I honestly played the Halo 2 Campaign in legacy mode just to hear the iconic battle rifle's burst fire sounds and the old SMG's bullet hose sounds... The new ones sound like you're holding 2 P90s and their rate of fire is garbage.
However, the sounds of the gatling gun are incredible.... but the barrels look like shit...
+Sparatan117 Agreed
the 343 shotgun was boooooring like seriously
343 should combine the Halo 3 shotgun with the SPV3 shotgun's lights. In spv3, a giant mod for Halo CE on pc, the shotgun's light would change depending on it's ammo in the weapon. Have green for full or nearly full. Have yellow for half full. And red for nearly empty and empty. That's hoe you update something in the art style, not through out what was great and replace it with something that looks like it's from COD
It’s an ugly hunk of metal that looks like it was left in the microwave too long
@kjh Yes, they do resemble real weapons more, that's one of the reasons they look less appealing. "Realism" isn't a sufficient excuse, even less so in a setting that literally has space magic.
@kjh Wait, they got *magic* wrong. MAGIC?
Um, just fact-finding here but... you do realise how *fiction* works, right?
What the fuck are you talking about
Bungie’s shotgun literally looks like a fucking pump action shotgun
343’s shotgun looks like a fucking lump of plastic
They should have the covenet use the old wraith and the heritics use the new design
thats actually one of the points of the video
Agreed, the Cove.net should use the old style while the Heuristics use the new design /s (check your english)
Do you mean Heretics?
Holy fuck! Its COVENANT!! Jesus!!
They did a similar thing in Halo 2, where the heretic elites and grunts had different armour to the Covenant aliens
343i has made it abundantly clear to me that they couldn't care less about the average Halo player.
Instead, they listen to the MLG and high TH-cam subscribr count communities. Loyal gamers that make their voices loud are drowned out by these people. And in many cases, have their ideas/suggestions stolen by them. And sometimes modified to fit their opinions.
I love Forge. I've been forging since they provided it to us on PC. I've even made PC models for the PC community until the console got Forge. And Halo5's Forge is by far the best yet. Minus One HUGE Issue! H5's Forge mode requires a internet connection! 343i could have EASILY kept it a offline feature and stuck with the past formula that worked. If a player has a Internet connection, then allow it to use the Cloud to help with the processing. But Requiring Internet to even open it is 100% asinine! Not only is it infuriating to be working on a design, only to have the game crash before you can save. Now we have to deal with the stupid servers crapping out on us WITHOUT WARNING!! Or if our connection has a short hic-up then we loose our progress! And if you've hit you data cap, then you are stuck with all these features that you can't even access!
What more, Halo has becone a Online Only Game! No Co-Op AT ALL! No unlocking Items offline! No leveling up/down offline, No Theater Mide Offline! No Customs Offline! No Lan Offline! No Campaign Terminal Stories Offline! No Firefight Offline! NO FORGE OFFLINE!
Forge us a big deal so I'll focus on that. 343i invited Halo community members to their studio to test Forge before it was announced. And 343i contunues to listen to them instead of the community as a whole. And thus Forge is STILL Online required and we keep getting stypid stuff like 3 different sizes of pigs, whales, and toy grunts. We still don't have structures! Only now they squeak when it. We have grass and flower patches that are not convincing at all and only cause lag when 2+ players near them. We still have items that do not move nor rotate as they should. WE STILL DON'T HAVE TRAIT ZONES THAT WOULD MAKE SCRIPTING A THOUSAND TIMES EASIER!! We have terribly designed maps (Ducain23's being one of the worse). We still don't have classic game modes. And we are given stupid stuff in regs that can't be used in customs or MP. There are hundreds of avatar emblems (mostly stupid looking ones) but many classic emblems (like the spider) are still missing! And why were animals removed from the campaign?! We had them in Reach and they simply vanished!
Don't come back with the whole Prefab option as a argument. They were not even thought of when they were working on H5's Forge. And they tand to take up needed resources or don't match all map designs. They also have to be taken apart to even get them to work in many custom maps.
Look at what we do have. Most of these items and options are b/c someone happened upon a glitch and 343i just made it easuer to work with. Vehicle welding comes to mind. Or b/c 343i wanted a way to use community builds (hence prefabs). If 343i listened to the community as a whole, theb Halo4 and Halo5 would have been released with these features from the start. Cortana would never have became the bad guy. Brutes, Drones, animals, Flood etc would be in the games. The look of the characters and items would not look like it's from Call Of Duty. Online would not be required for 95% or so of tge game. And the campaign stories would not suck! Most notibly Halo5's!
Oh Yeah.
We should have Race building objects!! Even GTA has this now!
[EDIT] Now we do....sorta
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If you think my SHORT comment is long, then I take it, you've never read a book without pictures.
It's shown in a TH-cam comments format. Which in turns makes it look much longer then it actually is. It'll take you sixty seconds or less to read it, if you bothered to try.
Bet you consider this post too long to read as well.
SEspider DONT FORGET THE AWFUL CUSTOMIZATION AND IN GAME MICRO PURCHASES ! And awful time to kill in multiplayer
Did you have to right a whole book. Couldnt you have summarized it
I love the halo2 reference at the start
I hate the BR and shotgun, they look like Nerf guns painted silver.
Nah. If they looked like that kids would be shot
@@kaisipe412 They look like Nerf guns *painted silver.*
I actually like the shot gun a lot
The shotgun looks good, just needs the Reach sights. The BR just looks like a bunch of boxes tho
Damn they better make Halo 6 look like a BUNGIE Halo grit dark colourful looking Halo elites making that comeback into MP, also Halo 3 Anniversary
Halo infinite: _allow me to introduce myself._
The infinity from the loading screen could be mistaken for a giant shotgun
While I do greatly appreciate and miss THE CLASSIC plasma rifle, I do greatly like the Storm Rifle. I just wish that 343 brought back the ACTUAL plasma rifle and not the horrible Overheats in 5 seconds brute version. Another point that 343 doesn't listen as well. We wanted the PLASMA rifle the one that the elites held in their hands like badasses.
If they added the elite one kids who got it late would ask why elites didn't have them in campaign
Honestly the Storm Rifle looks like the Carbine from Halo 2 and 3 and could fit with how Elites would want a version of the Carbine that doesn't cause radiation poison.
laid to rest? hardly, 343 is in my mind trying to reskin Halo itself so the new comers think of 343 when they hear halo, not bungie.
Why wouldn't they want to do this?
Kyle Huxtable Because as we have been seeing it really pushes away fans. It honestly seems childish to me for 343 to act like this.
That actually makes more sense
i agree with jonathan, i there must e some sort of "problem" with sticking a bungie style appealing and sticking with the fans you have. Re-making it will surely bring new people, but at the loss of its main player base. People that didnt like it before probably still dont.
I think that comes to the brand identity. They are selling us HALO. We the playerbase buy HALO, and that's what we like. But it's becoming just another generic shooter under 343's stewardship.
Microsoft loves the money Halo brings in. A wildly successful series, dedicated fanbase... And it makes perfect sense that 343 is trying to find its own way. But making a different game under the Halo name is just a disservice to the fans.
I can respect what they're trying to do, but I don't think it's going to end well for them OR the fans if they get what they want. What they "want" isn't really what they want, and I think Halo 5 is teaching them that. Here's to hoping Halo 6 will begin to right the missteps they've made so far.
My biggest issues were definitely the pelican, rocket launcher and MCs armor. I'm fine with other new spartans armor being different, makes sense because it's an upgrade but MCs just changed for no reason and it just looks bad to be honest. It's really clunky and he feels so much heavier. He's supposed to be heavy but it's never been an issue before and shouldn't be as he's like super human and I assume the armor has stuff in it to help him move more fluidly. Every step he takes is followed by a loud thud which was never there before and again yes he is supposed to be heavy but there are hundreds of different ways to mute such noises and since it's combat armor it's something they definitely would/should do. It's just so unrealistic sneaking up on enemies and such when every cutscene he clunks around like everyone in the next room would be able to hear him coming anyway.
Pelican redesign is one of the worst things I have ever seen. It's horrible. The old pelican was sleek and really cool looking but they just replaced it with this huge brick thing that looks nearly nothing like the original. The pelican was one of my favorite vehicles in the game so it really breaks my heart to see if ruined so badly with no regard at all.
The rocket launcher makes no sense either. It had a unique design that made sense and worked well. They just took it out and threw in a generic rocket launcher you can see in pretty much any game. The only thing that even resembles the old is maybe the handle sticking out the side? Changing from double barrels to single is silly too. Imagine what people would say if you took out the double barrel in doom? There would be an uprising. It's iconic and taking it out is like spitting on the source material.
Changing things to their own style to identify themselves as the company in charge now is fine but they have no regard for the originals and it's kind of insulting to the creators and everyone who's played the games since the first.
I think the Pelican could work, if they made it a larger version of the original Pelican (hence the two cockpit things) and not make the middle look really fat.
Maybe if the wings were extended more or even twice as many wings on it could make it stand out as a large version of the original Pelican
"The rocket launcher makes no sense either. It had a unique design that made sense and worked well."
A _rotating_ double barreled rocket launcher that holds _two explosive rounds_ *does not make sense.* Throwing away 80% of the weapon's mass and volume just to reload it also *does not make sense.*
"Imagine what people would say if you took out the double barrel in doom?"
Ever heard of single shot break open shotguns? Also, a double barrel is *not as long as you are tall nor is it as thick as your torso.* You also don't throw away the entire barrel assembly and replace it with another barrel assembly to reload it.
that's not the point though, if you wanna be like that another analogy would be replacing the BFG with a generic tactical nuclear launcher.
And a rotating barrel on a rocket launcher that holds 2 charges makes a ton of sense. It allows for quicker firing of the rockets, and the reload is just jamming two charges back in at the same time.
Same with the double barrel in doom. Who cares if it is too large? Doomguy can obviously handle much larger weapons anyway, and you don't throw away the barrel when reloading, because that is stupid, he just loads two more cartridges in.
Take your last paragraph's last sentence and use its logic to refute the spnkr design flaw.
Also. _Generic Tactical Nuclear Launcher?_ Is there even such a thing in real life? Think for a fucking second, okay. A fucking *Tac Nuke.* And the BFG is what? An overly large, glorified battle rifle? Versus a machine that fires multiple nuclear warheads in quick succession? You're way of thinking is inconsistent. You should get that checked and straightened out before I argue with you any further.
well it is essentially 2 disposable rocket launchers that you attach onto the base. It isn't exactly flawed at all
I hate the GI Joe rocket launcher. It looks like a generic military shooter gun. And then the spartans? They look like power rangers lol
too many "parts" on their armor. They look like Gundams than Spartans.
GaryDX25 Yeah but GI Joe is cool
Adam M *Mobile Suits
@@kaistzar2831 It does not look like a toy.
It looks like a generic rocket launcher.
If i picked someone who has played the old halos but not the new ones and showed it to him he would not recognize it.
Yet the spanker is recognized by even some non-gamers as being the rocket launcher from halo.
Even my mom knows what the rocket launcher from halo looks like ffs!
The Bungie Pelican is also more efficient with it's thrusters. The older Pelicans had thrusters on the bottom to help it hover, if you look at the newer pelicans the whole wing flips up like an osprey which kinda restricts its forward movement while hovering
4:12 Y'know, there's a Bee Movie joke to be found here...
love the feedback program, I try to do the surveys whenever possible. it might be the only way to truly reach them without toxifying the waypoint forums.
me too. i'm never in waypoint
Sidewinder Gaming They don't give a fuck about feedback on Waypoint. For example, the first 50 pages of the Official Firefight Feedback Thread were very constructive. Yet 343 Industries ignored everything.
Giving feedback to 343 is the same as talking to a wall. Nothing will happen!
I always recieve feedback links in my mail like every month, the latest one was really interesting.
Riahisama would ask what the main topic of inquiry is but that would be a violation. lol.
Sidewinder Gaming i feel bad when i don't answer some of their surveys, cause id love to give my feedback but i just dont play halo 5 enough anymore, cant even tell you how the req system works. But that last one i could actually give my opinions on.
I've always wondered how they are going to make the switch after Halo Wars 2, like is everyone just going to appear with Halo 2 BR's and Gen 1 looking armor out of nowhere or are the characters going to talk about this old tech that they should use again in the Spirit of Fire?
Tbh i dont want them to mention the switch because i like to picture in my mind that the new art style is not relevant but then again, the game would look a little off to some people making a big switch.
Andrew Truax "is everyone just going to appear with halo 2 battle rifles in the next halo game"?
Well yes let me explain:
343 never had a problem magically giving chief br85's in halo 4 on the dawn. Where the fuck did he get it from?
So therefore, magically going back to the old art style, honestly, no one would complain
Better how? 343i made everything seem more realistic and seem like they'd actually get some use on a battlefield.
***** yeah I was literally about to say that lol
*****
So the fact that this is an advanced setting has no bearing on the fact that maybe they don't need the bulky tank-plate armor anymore? The new Spartan armor isn't made specifically for each one anymore- it's mass-produced, since they can make more Spartans now in a much easier way than before. The armor is a bit cheaper, and still as effective. It's meant for a faster, more agile Spartan than the lumbering brick that we had before.
The new weapons are clunky, yes, but then, that's what this military in....what year was it, almost 2600?
The ships are spaceships. Bulky and hard to manuever in atmo, maybe, but the ships aren't meant for atmospheric stays. They're meant for space, where being aerodynamic is irrelevant.
The Pelican, alright, I don't know much about aeronautics, but I won't just believe this one video on it. I'll check more into it.
As for the snagging thing, the only thing I see that would have a problem would be the Spartan armor, but then, they're encased in a protective energy shield that makes those edges moot. The shields would be more liquid-like, and thus, no snagging.
The new forerunner architecture designs are awful, I mean such an eye soar. I'll always skip those levels.
And the marines, they look ridiculous these days. Halo CE anniversary had the best skins and animation even the voice acting were perfect.
Lee Hare ce a was made by 343
You must be joking right?? 343 did remaster it, but the iconic Halo CE was ofcourse made by Bungie way back in the days.
NmSwanted That's what he said, CE A (Combat Evolved Anniversary) was made by 343i
Forerunner architecture is so bad to you that it makes your eyeballs fly out of their sockets? Up, up and away? Yeah, if it messed up my body's physics that bad, I'd skip those levels too.
As much as I agree with everything said in this and I love all your videos, I came back to this specific one just to point out at 6:54 that you put the red sight on the Shotgun at the completely wrong place. I see how you made that mistake since that screenshot has the FOV increased (also since 343's Shotgun looks like a garbled stick of metal), but for some reason it's been bugging me especially since nobody seemed to point it out in the comments lmao. Like, you photoshopped the sights near the very butt of the gun, it should be in front of the reload chamber where you place the shotgun shells.
Anyways love the videos, been binge watching the past few nights for some reason. I want more Q&A episodes
When I saw saw the new Covenant from Halo 4 I thought there were pirates I didn't know that they were the New Covenant
U should talk about the awful design of the hunters and how they changed the arbiter
i can put up with huntwrs re design, but my god, why did they remove the assault beam and replace it with that god awful piw piw turret thing which can fucking follow you around 90 degree corners
Because 343 needed to shove another homing weapon into the game to combat the thruster pack lmao
MaximumRageQuit In my opinion, I think it's because the AI are lacking when it comes to combat prowess, so to compensate they add an agregious amount of tracking to their weapons.
Someone never read the halo books from the beginning all the designs are from the lore
cory dan your lore is a disappointing excuse for art style changes
I want the halo reach realistic graphics BACK !!! 😖😔😫😩
😔😞
SAME. Halo reach to this day still looks fucking pretty
Imo Halo Reach and Halo 2: Anniversary had the best graphics of the Halo games.
For some reason, Halo 4 and 5's graphics look too watered-down...
@@isaiahlee2902 its cus Halo 4 and 5 went with generic good graphics, so it's all just the same. But I bet you can remember just about every mission in the previous titles, why? Because the games were centered around being remembered and fondly at that
halo reach wasn't realistic with the graphics halo 2 anniversary was
when the fuck does 343 care bout the halo fanbase
Ever since Microsoft gave them Halo, obviously.
Pfft ever since they got the series they only seem to care about MLG and top streamers (Aka wannabe MLGs).
Then again that seems to be the big trend in games right now anyways...
When everyone bitched and moaned about halo 4 so they basically fucking retconned it in halo 5, then everyone bitched and moaned even more
When they listened to the actual lore
3:54 “Infant Warfare”
At least it understands it's core audience.
@@SkyNinja759 lmao
the point of the scorpion is that it looks like its namesake, they really shouldnt have changed it
The Warthog didn't look like a warthog at all though.
It looked more like a Puma.
well, besides the tusks at the front lol
We definitely need the old Elite design...
Halo Reach designs, not Halo 2 Anniversary. H2 Classic's okay, but the color palette's awkwards in it.
the 343 rocket launcher and the pelican are garbage
Pelican looks like something ONI uses or bullpup version.
Isaac Honzel na just gay
well keep in mind, the pelicans from 4 and 5 aren't the same dropship variants. Captain Laskey mentioned it with the title of "gunship" which basically means this is a much more combat oriented craft. Personally I'd loved to have seen the old pelicans flying alongside the new ones to really show these new ones as flying escort for key transported personnel, but with the fact that these new gunship variants can still transport people, it makes sense on how the old ones would get mothballed. thinking from a military mass production and logistics aspect of things, as well as accounting for the four year time difference between halos 3 and 4, it makes sense. as for the rocket launcher, I don't really see any reason why they'd have gone that route other than to lower costs for better mass production, but that theory goes flying out the window with so many other tech advances the UNSC has made since halo 3.
Just some food for thought :)
The 343i Pelican looks like an Ekranoplan.
Guns are cool. I kinda agree with both you and the late night gaming I think the new rocket launcher is fine, the fact that they tried to remove the old one pissed me off.
I could see both variants in the game as different types of rocket launchers. But removing the spankr and utterly replacing it is different. That's like making it illegal for the christians to have their cross and only allowing it to make a new one
i loved the original smg. now its just another generic p90 rip off.
I actually think the Halo 5 smg looks really dope.
the p90 is an amazing weapon in it's own right, but the original SMG fit the role a whole lot better in providing a clear, alternative take that very likely could appear at some point in the future, as opposed to the p90 wanna-be.
Col. O'Neill picks it up and yells who took my p90?
0:02 GET THIS THING AWAY FROM ME!!!!
MAKEITSTOPMAKEITSTOPMAKEITSTOP!
What if the Storm Rifle was reverse engineered using a human Assault Rifle? It wouldn't surprise me if the Covenant would do something like that after losing to humanity so many times.
I miss the smooth forunner style not the ruff jagged weapons and enemies remember halo 2 the giant sentinels those things were awesome so we're the sentinels but the prometheans aren't forruners but that's just my opinion though
Forerunner
I don't know why, but the only way I can describe the new Halo art style is by calling it hard or "crunchy" for some reason. Everything has sharp edges and feels stiff
THEY CHANGED THE PLASMA RIFLE?!?! THEY CHANGED THE ROCKET LAUNCHER?!?! THEY CHANGED THE SCORPION AND THE PELICAN?!?! #protectthegrunts #savethegrunts
Also add #savetheelites. 343 butchered their design.
"They're losing their fanbase!"
Tell me about it man, I was playing Halo since CE. I bought special edition for 4 and that was the last straw. So many wrong turns that 343 made from the moment their boots hit the ground. Battlerifle got the overhaul it never needed back then too, a bunch of forgettable weapons added to the game, promethians (garbagians), Jesus Christ got added too, like wtf were they thinking?!
The last real Halo game was Halo 3. Halo 2 is still king though.
kjh the original fans do dickhead, they’re tired of seeing the halo name dragged through the mud, it used to be one of the leading FPS’s on the market, now it’s name is just a joke. Speaking of jokes, your pathetic excuses of comments on this particular video in different sections. Work on that bud ;)
something I wan't to return from halo 4:
the sticky detonator
my only disagreement was at 6:25 i think our allies should adapt a more ritualistic military art style such as atriox on halo wars.
I miss the old beetle wraiths. Lol
Love that photoshoped Shotgun you made for the video, definitely looks WAY better than the original H5 design
I really do miss the Plasma rifle though
How the hell did I just realize this video was made 3 years ago....
I have never seen someone more passionate about anything than you in the Why people don't like the 343 Art Style
Promethean guns looks so boring man. Along with the maps in h5 nothing is memorable.
morpheus hakim forge doe
morpheus hakim not true at all
At least Halo 5's levels and maps are way better then Reachs.
i know everyone has their own opinion but dude. h5 maps are shit compared to the previous games (excluding 4).
I'm serious, Reach's levels and maps were just down right awful.
I agree with your opinions in a 95% average. These art style videos are 100% what I feel about this issue. Thanks for making these kind of videos man, keep up the great work!
Infant Warfare!
The H5 scorpion's design is, in a practical sense, better that the previous ones because it supports its weight among other reasons...
Agreed.
The original design of the scorpion through much more closey resembled an actual scorpion
also lower profile:p
this design makes the scorpion more heavy however. the original was nimble and hard hitting but they sacrificed that to the point where you cant dodge wraith mortars.
***** if people read the books, they would realize that luck is a major theme for john and that thing airlock thing is not luck as it is cramming trig and algebra into their heads as kids.
In halo infinite they are changing it to be WAY better!
i honestly like the rocket launcher redesign, it sounds and feel cool, not to mention its "bazooka-ish" aura it gives, it still isn't no SPNKR launcher, but the "clunk" sounds for when a rocket or "clip" is loaded into it is just too satisfying
just gonna put this out there, but the design for the guardians shown in that halo 5 teaser years ago was soooo much better than the design we actually got.
my biggest gripe with the 343 redesigns has got to be with the jackals and the elites. the elites look retarded. with flabs of skin for mouths, and they're covered in scales and spikes.
and if the jackals didn't walk around with their round, glowing energy shields, I would swear that the covenant resurrected dinosaurs.
That's not what I liked about the Halo shotgun. The Halo shotgun was the most unique shotgun design ever made, imagine this: A shotgun with a tube magazine... on TOP of the barrel? wwwwWWWWHHHHATTTT?!?!
I hated the reach design too, the barrel end doesn't look menacing, when I first played Halo Reach, I thought the grenade launcher was the shotgun because of this.
+Smugglerscomedy the 343 shotgun looks like a model of the infinity lol.
Tsar Marklovski The 343 shotgun looks the most like a grenade launcher.
Things in the new art style I don't like
Pelican
Battle rifle
DMR
Plasma pistol
Warthog
Scorpion
Rocket launcher
Elites
Grunts
Master chief
Marines
Wraith
Phantom
Spirit
Frigates
Shot gun
Magnum
Sniper
Things I do like
Assault rifle
Storm rifle
Mongoose
Ghost
Banshee
Needler
Spartan laser
Frag grenade
Plasma grenade
Plasma caster
The promethians things are good in some aspects but need a couple changes and and a different art style
JJAG3
but the assault rifle looks nearly identical to its halo 3 counterpart, so Idk if I would really count that.
personaly, bungie's DMR is ugly and i like both elite
JJAG3 Bungie forerunners were better
Tartarus did 9/11 you say there forruner s are better but all bungi had were sentinels and structures and lots of dormant stuff if I'm not mistaken
monty python True, but the new art does not hold true to this design. They are completely tron sci-fi in 343i.
Can we talk about how the Spartans from halo 4 look like their armor is made of jelly beans?
Xd for a milisecond i thought you wrote billy jeans
The whole Covenant vehicles being that of a Sangheili/Elite design really changed my mind about it.
The old UNSC guns "At least used to" look more military like and realistic. But the halo 5 BR is just terrible. With the light up back and the, TERRIBLE holo iron sight thing, it is way too sci-fi. I know halo is sci-fi, but the USNC guns used to be more realistic.
Him, in another video: "Generic can't be an argument, because it's too vague."
Him in this video: "The scorpion tank looks generic now."
wtf?
Can everyone just hear me out for a minute:
The new designs and art styles for Halo is 50/50, there’s a lot of good and a lot of bad. Prime example for bad being the poor grunts and elites, the elites are like walking tanks and are clumsy, they’re essentially brutes. Grunts just look weird. I suppose you can talk about things like the new rocket launcher and SMG as they are abnormal and aren’t traditional.
However there’s also a lot of good things. I really don’t see the problem with the new scorpion, it feels like an absolute beast and the sound it makes when you fire a shell is incredible. I prefer it to the old scorpion anyway, the same can be said for the new jackal design and the hunters, the hunters are devastating and look ferocious. On a personal note I love chiefs new armour but I think the excuse as to how it was given was shit. He should’ve kept his Mark VI until he was on the infinity.
Furthermore, the marines in Halo 4 looked okay but I do miss the old ones, I think they should either be like reach or a slightly more advanced version of halo 3’s marines.
This is just view on the whole art style
I'll admit i liked the assault rifle design from Reach. It was a nice rugged design that fit that games atmosphere
"spanker" rocket 😂
What if the storm rifle was based on human technology, the covenant is very imitative. Btw the new scorpion is sexy AF
joseph johnson that would be an interesting theory!
My gripes with the Art Design at present, I'll start with the UNSC. Currently, most of the weapons, vehicles, ships, and gear being used by the UNSC feel more like they are intended for civilian or private use. They just don't feel "military" to me. Let's look at the example of the pelican, the old design I could imagine being used by a military, to transport troops and supplies. The newer design just seems more civilian in it's overall look and design. And things also feel a little cartoony, like the amour the marines and Spartans now have. it just doesn't look practical or look like something a military would use.
Now for the covenant. I'm not a fan of the newer designs. Look at grunts for instance. Why did they need to change at all? Same with the Elites. With regards to their weapons, why use all the same old gear, yet use the storm rifle as a replacement for the plasma rifle? Plasma Rifle was definitely more iconic. The vehicles seem okay, but I much preferred the older style and look to them. The new spirit looks like something out of Michael Bays Transformers with the way the doors on the side open (more on transformers in a moment)
The Prometheans, which you've covered previously, just feel way to over-designed and don't feel like forerunner machines at all. Everything about them currently feels like they would be right at home in a Michael Bay Transformers movie. They have so many individual parts, and everything glows and moves, much like transformers. The weapons they use look exactly like something the autobots and decipticons would use, especially with the way they fold up and such when using smart-scope (looking at you Suppressor!) they just don't feel like Forerunner machines, unlike how Sentinels and Enforcers do.
I hope 343I are listening to the community. The art-design needs to change, among other things. Stop trying to change the designs so much to the point where it doesn't feel like Halo.
343's designs are for 343's Halo, not for Bungie's. Try to remember that.
love it, but i don’t blame people for disliking it
The Covenant ships. When playing 'Blue Team' for the first time and you see this fleet approaching the station, I thought to myself "who are these geesers?" And when one of Blue Team says "The Covenant Fleet" I was like "........ooooooooooooooookay...". Honestly thought it was a new party/faction, or maybe non UNSC Human/non Covenant alien ships.
Idk they looked like covenant carriers to me
@@kaisipe412 That's fair. To me, one of the different ships did look a little like their previous Covie design, but only a little. The rest to me, just looked like they could be alien ships from any sci-fi series. I still like their new designs, but they don't really scream 'Halo' or 'iconic' to me. (Not saying that in a die-hard Bungie fan kinda way haha). I am more than happy for 343 to either slightly update or hugely change the designs made by Bungie, to make it their own. Like, how I see it, for the less iconic looking weapons/vehicles, they have more leeway in how drastically they can redesign them. But for the more iconic designs, I feel like they need to just "update" and not do a full redesign, or at least still keep certain aspects of what made those weapons/vehicles so iconic looking.
idk if this is just me, but the first halo game is a totaly different experience for me than the others, something about you crashlanding on a uninhabited planet like ring with buildings scattered everywhere is just so unique.
You know what I hate and detest about Halo now? The sounds...oh jeez the sounds are atrociously terribly bad. Everything sounds like a pew pew weapon. Take the Needler for example which I find to be one of the worst offenders. Before it sounded more intimidating, now it's as if it's from Star Trek or something with no menacing feel. Completely out of place and I hate it. I miss the old sounds from halo 3 and before. Even Reach's were acceptable.
yeah that's one of my biggest things i hate about 343, they like to add generic styled weapons, i would appreciate the classic guns soo much more.
People like you give me hope man, I am so glad that you take the time to make these videos. I really coulnd't agree with you more , I've had this disscusion a couple of times in the past on places lilke Halo Reddit, but people over there seem to think that 343 can do no wrong for the most part, and when you try to put across an idea like this, it's shut down almost immediatly by people who think you're attacking 343 and brand you a "hater" lol.
Bungie evolved and iterated upon what they had initially established in Halo CE, over the course of the three games, that gave all Halos coming after an identity that stuck. Halo CE, 2, 3 and Reach all look different from one another, yet they all "feel" similar, artistically speaking. If Halo Wars 2 is all 343's doing (artistically) then this is (by far) the best job they have done at creating something that feels so much like (Halo). I genuinely believe that Halo Wars 2's art style is the best that we have had.
Halo 4 and even Halo 5 felt too different imo, and rather than interpret designs from older games, I felt that 343 just straight up changed things, and mostly for the sake of it. Also on a side note to any naysayers, harkening back to the identity of something that took 10 years to establish, is not nostalgia, as many Halo 4 and Halo 5 fans like to say. It's just the right thing to do, look at how much positivity has surrounded Halo Wars 2, and people mainly highlighting the art style as a point of praise.
Things like the armour of certain enemies, the environment of worlds and calligraphy on old Forerunner structures are as iconic to Halo as the USS Enterprise is to Star Trek, or the Lightsabers, Jedi and Sith are to Star Wars. Things should never just be changed for the sake of it, especially things that make up the identity of what you are tasked with creating/interpreting.
Just FYI, the Halo Reddit is a 343i circlejerk. 343i fanboys and not Halo fanboys patrol them.
Criticism of anything 343i is generally (except MCC) downvoted and shit. For example, when someone pointed out how the Fall of Reach animation was an abomination compared to the original novel by Bungie, he got downvoted. If you highlight how 343i lied during press releases, you will also get downvoted....
Valdric Lim Exactly, it's a complete 343 circle jerk
Valdric Lim Yeah, I got the feeling after a few weeks on there. I have no idea why it's like that. It's really frustrating. The people over there are utterly close-minded, and refuse to accept the truth and logical arguments.
Tartarus did 9/11 Enchiridion
I have no idea what the age demographics of that Halo reddit is, but there's these trends I see:
- People suddenly proclaiming Reach was the best. please. If anyone was actually playing Halo
Enchiridion that's all fine and dandy but let's not pretend haters don't exist or bungie dick riders or blind 343 haters or fanboys who can't let go of there blind nostalgia let's not pretend those things dont exist cause they do and there are a lot of them
The pelican at 4:48 is so cool. They should have used this design for all the Halo series.
I actually like the Storm rifle design but it doesn't replace the plasma rifle
Also, speaking of things that didn't need to be changed... i.imgur.com/2dpE1uZ.jpg
Why did 343 feel the need to make the Warthog gatling gun (also a very iconic video game piece) into a solid mass rotating cylinder... Like... who TF is making these decisions?
Looks like a Lego set with the barrel being one cylinder lol
Youssef Looks badass, that's what it looks like.
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kjh the true fans decline you and your pathetic fanboyism over 343’s “changes” go back to the micro transaction filled mess that is halo 5 with it’s pathetic excuse of a campaign, halo has become a joke.
Wait for infinite boy there bringing a lot of old stuff from reach back yes reach!!!!!!
I really loved the look of the old pelican
The original Pelican is a troop transport this new Pelican is a gunship they have two different roles in the both of them are still used
1. the storm rifle is different because its not a covenent designed weapon, its a sangheili designed weapon intended for mass production and easy use/maintenance. that and it is more practical as a rifle than the plasma smg(it isn't a rifle)
2. as with any progressing universe, technology needs to change, to advance, the spanker was an outdated design, the new version is a much more practical design. same with the scorpion, the military in real life replaces outdated vehicles and weapon systems all the time, so the unsc wouldn't be any different.
Wheatley in my last video I said multiple times "do not use the lore excuse to dismiss that these designs do not look like something from halo"
define " designs do not look like something from halo"
its an alien weapon that is a successor to the plasma rifle and it fires plasma.
it fits in just fine.
so therefore, when 343 inevitably replace the classic AR with an AK47 for example, you will think its absolutely acceptable because it "is a successor to the classic AR and fires bullets, so therefore it fits in just fine"?
Or would you be concerned that the AK47 would not fit with halo's art style?
that is a terrible argument
the ak is a weapon that isn't fictional so therefore it wouldn't work in halo, although in halo there has been weapons used by the insurrectionists that are well inspired by the ak, being an easy to produce workhorse weapon.
and how could an ak be a successor to something 500 years later,
and 343 will never replace the AR, not like bungie tried to do in h2.
the storm rifle does fit the artstyle, its purple, has the same scale pattern and fires plasma.
Wheatley but as a replacement, its a big no no
4:13
“According to all known laws of aviation...”
Why do game companies try and appeal to a "younger generation" when most people who play/buy their games are over the age of 25.
so they can maintain a market when the prior market grows out of the games because of time constraints.
How did MLP get so much products? You'll never know :D
YES someone else appreciates how beautiful the plasma caster's design is!
I remember playing halo 2 as a kid, picking up the plasma rifle and going, “You can get the alien gun?! Cool!”