Schuyler's 28 gsm is very high quality, though, and has very little ghosting. I like the thinner Quentels over the thicker original ones. For me it was a good trade-off. ymmv, of course
@@abc-wv4in I have a recent production quentel and the thin paper ghosting is my only complaint for that bible, but it really does bother me. Yeah the thin paper is "relatively" opaque but it's NOT opaque. AFAIK the Credos have 40gsm, so that's the way to go if I get more.
@@abc-wv4in they key words are "very little".... even "very little"... ghosting can be a distraction.. I think THAT is unacceptable for a bible that costs so much... they need to use higher GSM paper... I know they used to use higher GSM paper..
I’m glad you mentioned thinner paper is not so bad. At first I was disappointed in how thin the paper is on the Cambridge Clarion, but there is no show through when I highlight or write notes. So- you’re right- thicker is not always better.👍
thin paper is Not a problem... unless one is planning to write using a gel writer... I use gel writers .... micro ones... since ball points often skip... but even micros can bleed through writing on 28 gsm paper... and wet hi-liters?... forget about it..!..
For someone, such as myself, where the translation isn't your primary, and you only want to use it for reference, I think that the Lockman is a no brainer.
I agree on the font used for the spine and such. I like the old timey fonts from the past. I’m still getting used to the comfort fonts in a few of my bibles like the 2020 NASB 2 column premier and the NIV Grace & Truth.
the reason I'd go for the lockman is because I can eventually rebind it when I have the money and make it even nicer than the schuyler. Thank you for the review!
Hi, Tim-great review/information as always. Love Schuyler, based in my native Virginia; but you could get the Lockman, have better paper, better margin for notes-and then you could have it rebound (even in that nice Schuyler green if you want), and then it matches the Schuyler’s premium aspects. So if you’re willing to rebind, I think the Lockman can be the clear overall winner in the end.
Thank you for the review and comparison Tim. I’d go with the Stridon. IMHO, nothing beats a Schuyler. But definitely appreciate the Lockman WM edition too.
I’d go with the genuine leather. 🙂. Nasb 2020 is not my main translation. I just bought a 316 1995 NASB handy size in Italian Cowhide that’s single column with margins because I love the layout and the price was decent.
Yeah something about that paper on the Schuyler just looks better. Better looking print, whiter paper, red accents, as well as the page gilding just brings it all together for a more satisfying looking read in my opinion. (I don’t have one, I’m basing on what I see here 😅😂)
How's that going? I have the exact same thing. And was thinking of getting the lockman for more note taking and highlighting. The lockmans paper just straight up looks like there'd much less ghosting compared to the stridon.
I would love the Stridon, but I can realistically save up for the Lockman. I'm really enjoying my Lockman 2020 Reference Bible - the leathertex feels great (for now), the dimensions are my favorite, but the not having the full notes is a huge drag, especially since the font could have easily been shrunk down a smidge to create the space and still be a generous regular font text. The full notes matter more to me than the references, so this Lockman Wide Margin is center on my radar. In the meantime, it seems like Tecarta and Youversion have the full notes.
@Justin de Harlingen I think what people reviewing bibles should do..... is review bibles in their own personal library that they purchased out right... that way the reviewer can REALLY critique any bible .......even ones...with minor errors... it is hard to be totally subjective in reviewing a bible that is sent to one for FREE...in order to give it a good review and show off ones wares...which is what goes on in many cases... reviewers such as this one..... I suspect are getting sent hand picked.... flawless bibles.... without a single thing wrong with them.. no flaws in the binding .... gilding.... placement of ribbons.... stitching... ... leather grain... In other words the best of the best bible to review. .a PERFECT BIBLE... there is NO guarantees that schmoes like us .....the general consumer will get a hand picked bible with No errors... in manufacturing...the publishers are betting that people like you or me... won't bother to send a slightly flawed bible back.. and if we call and complain about the quality of the wares... they may offer us a return on it or.. a discount... but they are betting on the fact the consumer will just live with a slightly imperfect bible.. don't get me wrong.. I really enjoy what Tim is doing here... but we have to remember he is being given bibles for FREE to review.. and they are literally PERFECT... 2 advantages that you and I do not have... that's why we don't have a library full of Schuyler bibles.. and aren't having contests or drawings..to give free bibles away.....Schuyler or Allan bibles cost us our BLOOD to buy.. at what they charge..
@@PaulJohnPurnell thanks for the info....this is in relation to which question?.. what I am looking for at this time.. is a 2002 NASB "judge".. with raised hubs... genuine leather, black... 1995 text... single column, large print w/cross references please let me know where I can find one at a reasonable price........ thanks
I applaud Lockman and Schuyler for working out this arrangement. I am however curious if the competition will hurt Schuyler. Perhaps not since I see on many FB groups the willingness to own many expensive Bibles. Don’t get me wrong. I have come to enjoy a premium Bible but for me having many premium Bibles is not a necessity. In my opinion Schuyler does a great service in offering premium without the super-premium rebinder’s expense. I would likely purchase a Stridon ESV but for exploring a different translation this Lockman will do just fine.
Good question, Kevin. I would have to guess that Lockman and Schuyler agreed to space out the releases... and there will be other Stridons in different translations will likely not receive this more affordable treatment (unless, say, Crossway decides to do something similar).
I have both the Schuyler Stridon and the Lockman. I agree Schuyler should go back to the 36 gsm paper because the 28 gsm has a tendency to wrinkle easy and you do not want that in a premium Bible. I like the Lockman better and think I may buy another one and have it rebound. I highly recommend the leather soft. The embossed name on the spine looks better than the gold stamping. The 32 gsm paper also is better for note taking in the margins. The red accents are nice but they are only used for chaptersI and footnotes and reference’s . I could go on about the Lockman it is the clearly winner in my opinion!
@Ray Williams do you have a bindery close by?.. I think if you send a bible out to get it re bound... there is quite a wait.. to get it back.. and then if you get it back and you are not satisfied with it.. the bible has been tied up for no reason.. If you have a bindery in the city where you live ... that is best...
Neither can I! I have an ESV journaling Bible (great journaling Bible) that is well marked. I want an inexpensive NKJV (my favorite translation) that I can mark and highlight!
@@abc-wv4in by the way... I used the NKJV for years I have at least 3 wide margin NKJV's that are all filled in... sadly once I realized their translational flaws I got away from using them..
I really enjoyed seeing this comparison. Thank you Tim! (Any idea when Schuyler will release the ESV Stridon? I LOVE the Stridon layout but prefer the ESV to the NASB.) Personally, I would purchase the Stridon over the Lockman as I do enjoy the premium Bible features and like the slightly smaller size more than the wider margins. I also prefer to see two tone on the pages. The red helps visually separate everything out for me too. That said, if the Stridon were not available, I would have no problem using this Lockman. The single column, verse by verse is my favourite so I am happy to see a premium option. As you say, the Lockman is an excellent value that will put this beautiful layout into the hands of many more people.
The red accents on the page do nothing for someone who has some degree of color blindness. Personally, I really can't see red on a black background and struggle to see red text on a white background. Most of the time, it just looks like it's black text. for that reason, I wish publishers would give a blue text option like Humble Lamb and the MacLaren Series bibles do to make it more accessible. Love the channel and the reviews! Keep up the good work!
@@timwildsmith Now, if someone would just come out with a non-Premium version of the KJV Treveris. I like the idea of a paragraph layout with the numbers in the margins so they don't get in the way of the text.
@Barbara MacLaren my guess is that if the inside cover does Not have anything specifically stamped on it.. such as "goatskin".. or "lambskin"... it is the usually run of the mill .....cowhide.. and Cowhide varies greatly in stiffness from bible to bible... so you really do not Really know how soft or firm it will be until you have it in your hands..
Fifty years ago as a poor college student I bought cheap Bibles. As an old man now I can afford to buy the best for the Lord's word and that's why I buy Schuyler. I have the Tyndale NLT study Bible that I purchased recently and it's just so frustrating to try and un-stick pages and the leather-like cover is stiff. I'd have happily paid double the price to have a 'friendlier' Bible.
The leathertex cover quality and binding of the Lockman is not that good.its flopy and round. I dont recommend it. Maybe the genuine leather one is better. However, like you said, having the gorgeous print and layout at that price is a fantastic deal.
Ok Tim not sure you will see this up I was watching one of your other videos and I saw this really cool looking rebind it was tan, and looked like a PTL just want to know what kind of leather was used in that rebind. Thanks
Great comparison; many thanks! Interesting deal between Lockman and Schuyler, and beneficial to both's customers. I wish both of these were offered in the NASB95, not the 2020. Just personal preference, but although I'm a woman I don't like the new gender-inclusive language. Just give me a literal translation, please.
I understand completely, I also don’t like gender neutral, such as in the NRSV. I find, however, the treatment of gender in the NASB2020 is perfect. I confess, I prefer “brethren” over “brothers and sisters” though.
While I'd love to have a premium Bible, I simply can't afford the premiums. The Lockman version looks very nice and I love wide margins & single columns and it's affordable.
From this review, the Schuyler isn't giving enough extra to justify the price difference IMO. It's great that the contents of the actual Bible are the same so people can choose what bells are important to them.
you mentioned that this Lockman NASB has the 2020 text...correct?.. but the Schuyler bible is using the 1995 text?.. so there is a difference there... even though this was not mentioned... as a substantial difference... I guess that is why the NASB box has the multi colors on it... as a symbol of the gender neutrality of the 2020 text?..
I don't understand how people in the West can't afford a $200 bible. That's about ten hours of overtime pay on minimum wage you could pick up just saying yes when you'd otherwise turn it down. Rent where I live is $1800/month for a tiny old room in a basement, whereas this is a one time purchase that radically improves the tactility of your religious experience for as long as you don't lose it.
@@timwildsmith Just personal preference of course, but if I were going to invest that much money I'd want the better Schuyler text block. Their 28 gsm paper is wonderful, and those red accents are actually very helpful to readability as well as being beautiful. A premium binding deserves a premium text block, imo. (Of course my first Allan, a NKJV in scarlet goatskin, has the exact same Holman text block by the same printer as my Holman $40 brown cowhide Bible. Both very nice and the Holman is proving more sturdy.)
Brother Tim, you always have such an upbeat, positive vibe, thanks for all your hard work and bright spirit
The paper's more opaque for sure. Schuyler needs to go back to 36gsm and offer 28 as a thinline.
Sub 30 GSM shouldn't even be an option for anything but a pocket bible.
Schuyler's 28 gsm is very high quality, though, and has very little ghosting. I like the thinner Quentels over the thicker original ones. For me it was a good trade-off. ymmv, of course
@@abc-wv4in I have a recent production quentel and the thin paper ghosting is my only complaint for that bible, but it really does bother me. Yeah the thin paper is "relatively" opaque but it's NOT opaque. AFAIK the Credos have 40gsm, so that's the way to go if I get more.
@@nobodyspecial1852 I'd say sub 36 gsm paper shouldn't be an option..
@@abc-wv4in they key words are "very little".... even "very little"... ghosting can be a distraction.. I think THAT is unacceptable for a bible that costs so much... they need to use higher GSM paper... I know they used to use higher GSM paper..
At 4:32 you explained exactly what I didn’t like about new Lockman Bibles. I think it is Calibri. I don’t like it either
I’m glad you mentioned thinner paper is not so bad. At first I was disappointed in how thin the paper is on the Cambridge Clarion, but there is no show through when I highlight or write notes. So- you’re right- thicker is not always better.👍
thin paper is Not a problem... unless one is planning to write using a gel writer...
I use gel writers .... micro ones... since ball points often skip... but even micros can bleed through writing on 28 gsm paper... and wet hi-liters?... forget about it..!..
The paper in the Lockman wide margin is so much better for me! This is the one I have been waiting for! Hooray! Thanks for the review.
I have the Stridon and am very pleased with it. I don’t regret one iota that I purchased it.
I have one too, love it and don’t regret it at all.
I'm looking forward to it in ESV
I would definitely go for the Lockman. Thank you for doing such a great comparison
You’re welcome!
For someone, such as myself, where the translation isn't your primary, and you only want to use it for reference, I think that the Lockman is a no brainer.
I agree on the font used for the spine and such. I like the old timey fonts from the past. I’m still getting used to the comfort fonts in a few of my bibles like the 2020 NASB 2 column premier and the NIV Grace & Truth.
Great video. I can’t wait to rebind this Bible, so that it can also be a premium edition.
Tim might be the most thorough Bible reviewer out there. Another excellent one.!
the reason I'd go for the lockman is because I can eventually rebind it when I have the money and make it even nicer than the schuyler. Thank you for the review!
Hi, Tim-great review/information as always.
Love Schuyler, based in my native Virginia; but you could get the Lockman, have better paper, better margin for notes-and then you could have it rebound (even in that nice Schuyler green if you want), and then it matches the Schuyler’s premium aspects. So if you’re willing to rebind, I think the Lockman can be the clear overall winner in the end.
I recently purchased the Lockman WM (in leather, no less) as my introduction to the NASB.
Thank you for the review and comparison Tim. I’d go with the Stridon. IMHO, nothing beats a Schuyler. But definitely appreciate the Lockman WM edition too.
Right on!
I actually kind of like the Calibri typeface on the NASB Wide Margin. It's different.
I’d go with the genuine leather. 🙂. Nasb 2020 is not my main translation. I just bought a 316 1995 NASB handy size in Italian Cowhide that’s single column with margins because I love the layout and the price was decent.
The opacity of the paper in the Lockman blows me away, i need to get me one!
Yeah something about that paper on the Schuyler just looks better. Better looking print, whiter paper, red accents, as well as the page gilding just brings it all together for a more satisfying looking read in my opinion. (I don’t have one, I’m basing on what I see here 😅😂)
Bringin the heat on this comparison. Love it 🔥
I have both on the way. I want to send the Lockman out for a rebind, eventually. I got the Schuyler in black full yap.
How's that going? I have the exact same thing. And was thinking of getting the lockman for more note taking and highlighting. The lockmans paper just straight up looks like there'd much less ghosting compared to the stridon.
Great review Tim! Thank you!
My pleasure!
I would love the Stridon, but I can realistically save up for the Lockman. I'm really enjoying my Lockman 2020 Reference Bible - the leathertex feels great (for now), the dimensions are my favorite, but the not having the full notes is a huge drag, especially since the font could have easily been shrunk down a smidge to create the space and still be a generous regular font text. The full notes matter more to me than the references, so this Lockman Wide Margin is center on my radar. In the meantime, it seems like Tecarta and Youversion have the full notes.
@Justin de Harlingen
I think what people reviewing bibles should do..... is review bibles in their own personal library that they purchased out right... that way the reviewer can REALLY critique any bible .......even ones...with minor errors...
it is hard to be totally subjective in reviewing a bible that is sent to one for FREE...in order to give it a good review and show off ones wares...which is what goes on in many cases...
reviewers such as this one..... I suspect are getting sent hand picked.... flawless bibles.... without a single thing wrong with them.. no flaws in the binding .... gilding.... placement of ribbons.... stitching... ... leather grain... In other words the best of the best bible to review. .a PERFECT BIBLE... there is NO guarantees that schmoes like us .....the general consumer will get a hand picked bible with No errors... in manufacturing...the publishers are betting that people like you or me... won't bother to send a slightly flawed bible back.. and if we call and complain about the quality of the wares... they may offer us a return on it or.. a discount... but they are betting on the fact the consumer will just live with a slightly imperfect bible..
don't get me wrong.. I really enjoy what Tim is doing here... but we have to remember he is being given bibles for FREE to review.. and they are literally PERFECT... 2 advantages that you and I do not have... that's why we don't have a library full of Schuyler bibles.. and aren't having contests or drawings..to give free bibles away.....Schuyler or Allan bibles cost us our BLOOD to buy.. at what they charge..
The Lockman Foundation NASB 2020 Large Print Ultra Thin has full translator's notes and cross references ...
@@PaulJohnPurnell
thanks for the info....this is in relation to which question?..
what I am looking for at this time.. is a
2002 NASB "judge".. with raised hubs... genuine leather, black... 1995 text... single column, large print w/cross references
please let me know where I can find one at a reasonable price........ thanks
Very, very nice. I hope to get a Lockman NASB 2020 Genuine Leather soon, either the Large Print Ultrathin, or the Side Column Reference...
I ordered this one today 🤩
I applaud Lockman and Schuyler for working out this arrangement. I am however curious if the competition will hurt Schuyler. Perhaps not since I see on many FB groups the willingness to own many expensive Bibles. Don’t get me wrong. I have come to enjoy a premium Bible but for me having many premium Bibles is not a necessity. In my opinion Schuyler does a great service in offering premium without the super-premium rebinder’s expense. I would likely purchase a Stridon ESV but for exploring a different translation this Lockman will do just fine.
Good question, Kevin. I would have to guess that Lockman and Schuyler agreed to space out the releases... and there will be other Stridons in different translations will likely not receive this more affordable treatment (unless, say, Crossway decides to do something similar).
I think it would have to be the Schuyler. I’m with you on Calibri. 😂
I have both the Schuyler Stridon and the Lockman. I agree Schuyler should go back to the 36 gsm paper because the 28 gsm has a tendency to wrinkle easy and you do not want that in a premium Bible. I like the Lockman better and think I may buy another one and have it rebound. I highly recommend the leather soft. The embossed name on the spine looks better than the gold stamping. The 32 gsm paper also is better for note taking in the margins. The red accents are nice but they are only used for chaptersI and footnotes and reference’s . I could go on about the Lockman it is the clearly winner in my opinion!
Thanks for sharing, Ray!
@Ray Williams do you have a bindery close by?.. I think if you send a bible out to get it re bound... there is quite a wait.. to get it back.. and then if you get it back and you are not satisfied with it.. the bible has been tied up for no reason..
If you have a bindery in the city where you live ... that is best...
The advantage of the 32 gsm paper is not so much its readability as its writeability. One worries less about using highlighters etc.
Good point… although I know tons of people who write in 28 GSM Schuylers and have no trouble.
You can buy Bible highlighters that have almost no bleed
@@timwildsmith I'd like to know how they do it with no ghosting...
@@exagem what about a decent gel writing pen... that does Not bleed... do they make a dry writer... other than pencil graphite?..
I love the layout! Is this available in a different translation?
Sometimes there’s reinforcement tape on the paste down Bibles to ensure that their bound well. Do you see evidence of that?
I enjoyed this review. I prefer the Lockman bible because I cannot bring myself to write in an expensive Schuyler bible.
Neither can I! I have an ESV journaling Bible (great journaling Bible) that is well marked. I want an inexpensive NKJV (my favorite translation) that I can mark and highlight!
@@abc-wv4in by the way... I used the NKJV for years I have at least 3 wide margin NKJV's that are all filled in... sadly once I realized their translational flaws I got away from using them..
Have you done a video where you do a side-by-side comparison with the leathertex version of this? I'm curious if they use the same type of paper.
Same paper in all of the Lockman editions.
I really enjoyed seeing this comparison. Thank you Tim! (Any idea when Schuyler will release the ESV Stridon? I LOVE the Stridon layout but prefer the ESV to the NASB.) Personally, I would purchase the Stridon over the Lockman as I do enjoy the premium Bible features and like the slightly smaller size more than the wider margins. I also prefer to see two tone on the pages. The red helps visually separate everything out for me too. That said, if the Stridon were not available, I would have no problem using this Lockman. The single column, verse by verse is my favourite so I am happy to see a premium option. As you say, the Lockman is an excellent value that will put this beautiful layout into the hands of many more people.
I believe the ESV Stridon is out this fall!
@@timwildsmith Thank you! Looking forward to it.
I saw Cambridge has the Coronation Bible for sale at their bookshop… Tim are you going to get ahold of a copy?
I’ll look into it!
I’d prefer casual if I’m just going to mark up anyway.
I can’t find this Lockman Bible anywhere, is it out of stock?
The red accents on the page do nothing for someone who has some degree of color blindness. Personally, I really can't see red on a black background and struggle to see red text on a white background. Most of the time, it just looks like it's black text. for that reason, I wish publishers would give a blue text option like Humble Lamb and the MacLaren Series bibles do to make it more accessible. Love the channel and the reviews! Keep up the good work!
Aw man, those are some beautiful bibles
Hey Tim, how would you suggest caring for goatskin Bible covers? And conditioner or protectant?
I don’t use anything other than the natural oils in my hands.
Bible and reader are improved with use :)
I really enjoy my Wide Margin Reference Bible! I am glad Lockman came out with it.
Me too!
@@timwildsmith Now, if someone would just come out with a non-Premium version of the KJV Treveris. I like the idea of a paragraph layout with the numbers in the margins so they don't get in the way of the text.
Thank you, Brother Tim 🌹🌹🌾🌹🌹
You are very welcome!
From which animal is the "genuine leather" sourced?
I don't know.
@Barbara MacLaren my guess is that if the inside cover does Not have anything specifically stamped on it.. such as "goatskin".. or "lambskin"... it is the usually run of the mill .....cowhide.. and Cowhide varies greatly in stiffness from bible to bible... so you really do not Really know how soft or firm it will be until you have it in your hands..
Fifty years ago as a poor college student I bought cheap Bibles. As an old man now I can afford to buy the best for the Lord's word and that's why I buy Schuyler. I have the Tyndale NLT study Bible that I purchased recently and it's just so frustrating to try and un-stick pages and the leather-like cover is stiff. I'd have happily paid double the price to have a 'friendlier' Bible.
Great review once again Tim. Are you planning on checking out the new KJV double column reference with apocrypha from Thomas Nelson?
Hope so!
I like it
The leathertex cover quality and binding of the Lockman is not that good.its flopy and round. I dont recommend it. Maybe the genuine leather one is better.
However, like you said, having the gorgeous print and layout at that price is a fantastic deal.
Ok Tim not sure you will see this up I was watching one of your other videos and I saw this really cool looking rebind it was tan, and looked like a PTL just want to know what kind of leather was used in that rebind. Thanks
Hmmm... I honestly don't remember a PTL in tan. Do you have a link?
@@timwildsmith th-cam.com/users/shortsPd14LjW5Qlo
this is the short that its in that really tan looking bible near the bottom of the screen.
That's a rebind from SDG in Golden Yellow Badalassi Carlo Waxy "Pull-up" cowhide. Video here: th-cam.com/video/FpQUIElG7-M/w-d-xo.html
Hi Tim, is this the lexicon typeface?
Nope!
What type of leather is on the Lockman?
“Genuine”
Margins being larger on the Lockma is a sell for me.
Great comparison; many thanks!
Interesting deal between Lockman and Schuyler, and beneficial to both's customers. I wish both of these were offered in the NASB95, not the 2020. Just personal preference, but although I'm a woman I don't like the new gender-inclusive language. Just give me a literal translation, please.
I understand completely, I also don’t like gender neutral, such as in the NRSV. I find, however, the treatment of gender in the NASB2020 is perfect. I confess, I prefer “brethren” over “brothers and sisters” though.
I'll get the cheaper one and maybe even the fake leather in blue. I'm a widow and I take care of my Bibles so it will last a long time for me.
While I'd love to have a premium Bible, I simply can't afford the premiums. The Lockman version looks very nice and I love wide margins & single columns and it's affordable.
From this review, the Schuyler isn't giving enough extra to justify the price difference IMO. It's great that the contents of the actual Bible are the same so people can choose what bells are important to them.
Now there's a bible that's crying out for a high end rebind
you mentioned that this Lockman NASB has the 2020 text...correct?.. but the Schuyler bible is using the 1995 text?.. so there is a difference there... even though this was not mentioned... as a substantial difference... I guess that is why the NASB box has the multi colors on it... as a symbol of the gender neutrality of the 2020 text?..
That’s incorrect, Jeff… the Stridon is Schuyler’s first NASB 2020 edition.
@@timwildsmith ok thanks for clearing that up.. sorry.... I did not understand that in the first place..
I don't understand how people in the West can't afford a $200 bible. That's about ten hours of overtime pay on minimum wage you could pick up just saying yes when you'd otherwise turn it down. Rent where I live is $1800/month for a tiny old room in a basement, whereas this is a one time purchase that radically improves the tactility of your religious experience for as long as you don't lose it.
And then if you go and buy Lockman's copy and have it rebound.. beats the Schuyler
Maybe… but probably way more expensive!
@@timwildsmith Just personal preference of course, but if I were going to invest that much money I'd want the better Schuyler text block. Their 28 gsm paper is wonderful, and those red accents are actually very helpful to readability as well as being beautiful. A premium binding deserves a premium text block, imo.
(Of course my first Allan, a NKJV in scarlet goatskin, has the exact same Holman text block by the same printer as my Holman $40 brown cowhide Bible. Both very nice and the Holman is proving more sturdy.)
As opposed to a dishonest comparison haha sorry couldn’t help myself
Shuler sounds German skyler does not.
I believe Schuyler (pronounced "sky-ler") may be Dutch but I'm not sure.
Lie. They lie flat. As opposed to YOU lay it flat.